Joel Rosenberg: Mike Pence Talks Probability of WWIII | The Rosenberg Report

April 2, 2025 | 27:8

Former vice president Mike Pence sits down with Joel Rosenberg to discuss Russia, Ukraine and the risk of nuclear war.

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  • Tonight on the rosenberg report,
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  • With an actual shooting war
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  • Between the united states
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  • And iran now appearing closer than ever in my lifetime.
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  • President trump has given iranian leaders a deadline
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  • To come to the table in the next two months
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  • And end the iranian
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  • Nuclear weapons threat once and for all, or else.
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  • Is president trump really ready to go to war
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  • Against the iranian regime?
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  • I'll ask the man who served as president trump's
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  • Most trusted advisor in his first term,
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  • The man who was at the president's side
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  • When trump ripped up obama's disastrous nuclear deal
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  • With iran.
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  • Part two of my exclusive conversation
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  • With former vice president mike pence
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  • Tonight on a very special edition of
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  • The rosenberg report.
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  • How close are we to world war three?
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  • President
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  • Trump is worried that we're very close.
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  • President trump is worried that russian
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  • President vladimir putin
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  • Is about to go nuclear, that putin
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  • Might use tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine. why?
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  • Because putin is humiliated.
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  • Because he's lost hundreds of thousands of troops,
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  • Both in death and getting wounded.
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  • Casualties overall.
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  • And he's worried.
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  • Trump is worried that putin
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  • Might unleash nuclear weapons.
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  • And in ukraine, why not just to win or
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  • To punish the people of ukraine, but also to annihilate them
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  • And to strengthen putin's own
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  • Political standing in russia, in the world?
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  • That's how dangerous that situation is.
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  • Meanwhile, you got the iranian leadership just weeks away
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  • From building a full on, fully operational nuclear warheads.
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  • And president trump is trying
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  • To manage these crises, as well as
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  • The threat of communist china
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  • To taiwan, to our pacific allies and to israel.
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  • Good evening and welcome to the rosenberg report.
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  • We are in indianapolis tonight,
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  • The capital of the great state of indiana in the midwest,
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  • As part of my speaking tour all over the united states
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  • And releasing
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  • The beijing betrayal, which i'm so encouraged.
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  • Thank you to every single person
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  • Who's buying it, who's reading it,
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  • Who's tweeting about it, who's posting it on
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  • Facebook, who's telling you, you're telling your friends
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  • That you're enjoying it or that you hate it or whatever.
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  • I appreciate that you're engaging with it.
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  • And i want to i wanted to come to indiana
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  • To sit down with the former vice
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  • President of the united states, mike pence.
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  • You saw last week, and if you didn't see it,
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  • Go to rosenbergreport.tv, go to our youtube channel.
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  • Watch last week's show.
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  • Very important.
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  • As i sat down,
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  • With the former vice president of the united states,
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  • Trump's number two
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  • Guy, his right hand man during the first administration,
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  • Mike pence, has dealt with xi jinping.
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  • He's negotiated on behalf of president trump with
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  • Xi jinping, the communist dictator of china,
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  • About these critical issues.
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  • But pence doesn't just know
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  • Xi jinping, he knows vladimir putin.
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  • He has spent time with vladimir putin
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  • And with vladimir zelensky, the president of ukraine.
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  • I mean, really, just how often do you get
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  • An opportunity to sit down with a leader
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  • And evangelical christian, i might add, who knows
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  • President trump
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  • Probably better than any political leader in the world,
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  • Because he worked so closely with him for four years
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  • And some of the most important issues in the world.
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  • Somebody
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  • Who knows xi jinping and knows vladimir putin and vladimir
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  • Zelensky, it's a very rare opportunity that we're getting.
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  • And i couldn't just do one show with mike pence.
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  • I had to do two.
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  • So this is part two of our conversation.
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  • And tonight we're going to deal with russia.
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  • We're going to deal with ukraine.
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  • And the risk of all out nuclear war breaking out.
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  • And world war three, as president
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  • Trump likes to describe, it doesn't like to,
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  • But has to describe it as, we're going to talk about that.
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  • But first, i want to deal with iran
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  • Nuclear threat, the iran terror threat to israel,
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  • To the united states, and to our sunni arab allies.
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  • Here's part two of my interview with a former vice
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  • President of the united states and an evangelical christian,
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  • Mike pence.
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  • Iran, by all
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  • Accounts, the iranian regime is just weeks away.
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  • If they were to make the decision
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  • From building six fully operational nuclear warheads,
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  • They've obviously got missiles already that can reach israel.
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  • All of our sunni arab allies, they're not quite capable.
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  • We don't think of reaching the united states.
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  • But that's the long term objective, medium term,
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  • Objective.
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  • President trump has come back to with a strong
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  • Maximum pressure economic sanctions campaign.
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  • I'm grateful for that.
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  • What do you sense
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  • This administration needs to do in its second round,
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  • Given the weakness of the biden-harris years
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  • And how, you know, really the weakness of biden, harris
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  • Led iran to feel comfortable with launching a seven front war
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  • Against us in israel and obviously made putin feel
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  • He could launch
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  • An invasion of ukraine,
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  • Which he thought would take a few weeks.
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  • It's taken now three years.
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  • And obviously xi jinping was the one guy of the three big
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  • Main enemies of the united states
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  • That didn't move, but he seems to be getting close.
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  • But iran, what should president trump and his team be doing?
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  • Given
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  • Given where we are today with regards to iran?
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  • Well, i think, i think, the president
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  • And his national security team have been taking strong steps
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  • To recognize the fact that, iran
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  • Has never been in a weaker position
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  • In my collective memory.
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  • I say that because russia, distracted as it is, by its,
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  • Unprovoked and brutal invasion of ukraine
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  • Three years ago, the isolation, economic and otherwise,
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  • That we placed, iran in during a during our years
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  • And evidenced by the collapse of the assad government
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  • In syria, all suggest that.
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  • And i want to
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  • I want to credit president trump
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  • And our team in our four years,
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  • That allowing our military to take down isis, to, take down
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  • Those iranian sponsored militias to, to take out qasem
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  • Soleimani, a huge the head of the iranian.
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  • And iranian terror
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  • Strategist, i think far worse than osama bin laden.
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  • The most dangerous terrorist in the world.
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  • All of that, i think, is and frankly,
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  • I would say to you that the efforts by,
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  • Prime minister netanyahu
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  • And the israeli government,
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  • With the full support of the united states,
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  • To take the fight
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  • To hamas, to take the fight to hezbollah to the north.
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  • Also, this is an opportune moment, right.
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  • My, my hope is that the administration
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  • Will continue, as they.
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  • Did because the president has been saying
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  • He's been offering a negotiated track, which in general, we
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  • We prefer diplomacy to anything else.
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  • Israelis started getting nervous over the last month or two.
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  • But now the iranians have said, do whatever the hell you want.
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  • We're not going to negotiate.
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  • So we're a little less worried now, but we're still curious.
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  • Is trump
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  • Really want a deal,
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  • Or is he just giving the iranians an opportunity to say,
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  • We won't go down on a diplomatic track
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  • And therefore all bets are off in terms of a possible
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  • Military operation? well,
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  • I think i know the president well enough to know that,
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  • During our
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  • Administration, i saw him never hesitate to use force,
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  • But always as a last resort.
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  • Sure, but making it clear that,
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  • Iran cannot be allowed to to
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  • So its malign influence across the region,
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  • As we said at this taping, the the recent military operations
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  • By our forces against the houthis,
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  • And the president's clear statements
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  • That we understand who sponsors the houthis
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  • And that iran will be held accountable
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  • If those attacks continue to disrupt global commerce and
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  • And fire missiles and drones at u.s.
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  • Warships.
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  • But i honestly think that this is a time
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  • When we need to make it clear to the ayatollah,
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  • To the mullahs in tehran, that the united states,
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  • And israel,
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  • And the free world will never tolerate iran
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  • Obtaining a usable nuclear weapon and that,
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  • The president's willingness to signal
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  • A willingness to dialog with the president of iran.
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  • I think in
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  • No way, should ever diminish
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  • The clarity of america's purpose in this regard.
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  • It's...
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  • No one understands the challenges and threats
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  • To that region better than you, joel,
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  • You live it, you've seen it.
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  • I don't have direct access to intelligence,
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  • But we're doing our best to understand it.
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  • But i can i can tell you that a maximum pressure
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  • Campaign taking the fight to the houthis.
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  • Making it clear that
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  • We will defend israel as we have and these unprecedented
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  • Missile attacks by iran in recent months,
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  • And ultimately making it clear that we would never tolerate
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  • Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon, that we're leaving the door
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  • Open to them, yielding to that purpose of the free world
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  • And the interests of america and israel.
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  • But we also need to make it clear that,
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  • We have one hand resting
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  • Comfortably on the holster of the arsenal of democracy.
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  • And america will take such action,
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  • Alongside israel is necessary.
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  • Do you believe, knowing the president,
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  • President trump, better than almost anybody,
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  • That he would use force
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  • If he felt there just was no other option?
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  • Because it feels like we're getting close to that point.
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  • I think
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  • President trump recognizes peace comes through strength.
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  • And while,
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  • I think you rightly understand that he's a president
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  • That wants to end wars, and,
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  • And would like to,
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  • See, less american
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  • Deployments and commitments in certain parts of the world.
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  • I think the clear record of the trump administration, whether
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  • When syria used chemical weapons on innocent civilians,
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  • We sent 58 cruise missiles in, not once, but twice.
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  • Having been alongside the president
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  • When those decisions were made, the decisions to use force
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  • To see how, our military was greenlighted
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  • To take out 300 russian mercenaries
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  • In syria when they advanced on our troops.
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  • The american people can be confident,
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  • And people in that region, including our enemies,
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  • Should know that, president donald trump
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  • Will take such action as is necessary,
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  • To protect our most cherished ally.
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  • I'm glad to hear it.
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  • And i don't believe the iranian regime believes it
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  • Because no one's done it for 50 years or so.
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  • But, i think the fact that the president is,
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  • Is clearly showing that there's a new sheriff in town
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  • Throughout the region and even among america's allies,
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  • Is heartening to me.
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  • Again, we had israelis had some heartburn
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  • Over the last 30, 45 days, but we see him standing with us.
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  • He has moved weapons back, ammunition resupply,
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  • Defending us at the u.n.
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  • Again, withholding $400 million to columbia university
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  • For letting rampant anti-semitism.
  • 00:11:55.671 --> 00:11:57.206
  • So this is encouraging.
  • 00:11:57.206 --> 00:11:58.340
  • And the fact that he's taking action against the
  • 00:11:58.340 --> 00:12:00.442
  • Houthis, is very important.
  • 00:12:00.442 --> 00:12:02.278
  • Coming up next on the rosenberg report
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  • With russian president vladimir putin dangerously close
  • 00:12:05.481 --> 00:12:09.485
  • To using tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine,
  • 00:12:09.485 --> 00:12:13.355
  • Can president trump find a way
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  • To create a real cease fire, much less peace?
  • 00:12:16.225 --> 00:12:20.029
  • I'll ask former vice president mike pence,
  • 00:12:20.029 --> 00:12:22.898
  • A man who knows trump, putin and ukrainian president
  • 00:12:22.898 --> 00:12:26.635
  • Volodymyr zelensky personally for his assessment.
  • 00:12:26.635 --> 00:12:30.506
  • When the rosenberg report continues on tbn
  • 00:12:30.506 --> 00:12:33.676
  • Right after the break.
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  • Right after the break.
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  • Let's turn to russia for a moment.
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  • You've spent time with vladimir putin
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  • And you spent time with vladimir zelensky,
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  • Even on the ground, post vp life, going in
  • 00:12:46.425 --> 00:12:49.595
  • With franklin graham into ukraine.
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  • How do you assess that dust up in the oval office?
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  • And what should the u.s.
  • 00:12:56.001 --> 00:12:58.403
  • Position at this point, the trump administration's position?
  • 00:12:58.403 --> 00:13:01.773
  • What should it be in terms of bringing this war to an end,
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  • But recognizing the grave danger that czar putin, in my view,
  • 00:13:06.078 --> 00:13:10.649
  • Poses not just to ukraine but to europe?
  • 00:13:10.649 --> 00:13:14.253
  • Well, i think it's
  • 00:13:14.253 --> 00:13:15.320
  • So it's so important that we start with the truth
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  • That,
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  • Russia started this war,
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  • That russia launched an unprovoked and brutal
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  • Invasion, the aftermath of which i witnessed,
  • 00:13:26.932 --> 00:13:30.736
  • On the streets of ukraine during my visit there in 2023.
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  • My wife, karen, and i, as you mentioned,
  • 00:13:35.107 --> 00:13:36.541
  • With samaritan's purse,
  • 00:13:36.541 --> 00:13:37.709
  • Traveled across the border two months after the invasion,
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  • Went to a refugee center to see literally thousands of
  • 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:44.016
  • Women and children carrying all their earthly possessions
  • 00:13:44.016 --> 00:13:47.386
  • Fleeing from the russian invasion.
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  • So i think the first element is to understand
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  • That we we simply cannot,
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  • Accept,
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  • Authoritarian regimes, whether it be russia,
  • 00:13:57.963 --> 00:14:00.599
  • Whether it be china, whether there be iran
  • 00:14:00.599 --> 00:14:02.935
  • Attempting to redraw international lines by force.
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  • And so standing with ukraine, providing
  • 00:14:05.671 --> 00:14:07.906
  • Ukraine with the resources they need,
  • 00:14:07.906 --> 00:14:10.609
  • To defend their nation, i think has been and enormously
  • 00:14:10.609 --> 00:14:13.412
  • Important national imperative and an imperative for the west,
  • 00:14:13.412 --> 00:14:17.649
  • Not just on the broad principle of free nation
  • 00:14:17.649 --> 00:14:19.952
  • Standing together, though, joel, for me,
  • 00:14:19.952 --> 00:14:22.788
  • I have no doubt having met vladimir putin,
  • 00:14:22.788 --> 00:14:25.958
  • Having studied his
  • 00:14:26.391 --> 00:14:27.392
  • Rhetoric over the last 25 years, his ambition
  • 00:14:27.392 --> 00:14:31.330
  • To reassert the old soviet
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  • Sphere of influence in eastern europe by force if necessary.
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  • I have no doubt in my mind that if vladimir putin overruns
  • 00:14:37.269 --> 00:14:40.605
  • Ukraine, it'll only be a matter of time
  • 00:14:40.605 --> 00:14:42.975
  • Before he crosses a border where our men
  • 00:14:42.975 --> 00:14:44.710
  • And women in uniform are going to have to go fight him.
  • 00:14:44.710 --> 00:14:47.012
  • I wrote a whole thriller about that,
  • 00:14:47.012 --> 00:14:49.114
  • Even before he went into ukraine.
  • 00:14:49.114 --> 00:14:50.415
  • The kremlin conspiracy
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  • That that the russian dictator was trying to decide
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  • Whether to take ukraine or one of the three
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  • Baltic nato countries estonia, latvia, lithuania.
  • 00:14:57.756 --> 00:15:01.226
  • And that is something that zelensky
  • 00:15:01.226 --> 00:15:02.427
  • Was trying to say to the president. right.
  • 00:15:02.427 --> 00:15:04.596
  • I don't think he did it well. i don't think
  • 00:15:04.596 --> 00:15:06.298
  • Zelensky acquitted himself well in that meeting.
  • 00:15:06.298 --> 00:15:08.567
  • Well, like i did, i do think he got the message right.
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  • You know, a few days later...
  • 00:15:10.836 --> 00:15:13.171
  • I do too.
  • 00:15:13.171 --> 00:15:14.906
  • Look, i've been in a lot of meetings
  • 00:15:14.906 --> 00:15:16.174
  • In the oval office that were just as vigorous,
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  • But only
  • 00:15:20.012 --> 00:15:21.113
  • One that i can remember, where the cameras were on.
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  • Okay.
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  • Diplomacy can be sharp elbows.
  • 00:15:23.815 --> 00:15:27.386
  • And i was very encouraged
  • 00:15:27.953 --> 00:15:30.489
  • To see president zelensky,
  • 00:15:30.489 --> 00:15:33.258
  • At the end of the day,
  • 00:15:33.258 --> 00:15:35.227
  • Accept a ceasefire agreement
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  • 30 day ceasefire and be willing to put peace on the table.
  • 00:15:38.530 --> 00:15:42.267
  • And now, at this taping, we continue to wait
  • 00:15:42.267 --> 00:15:45.037
  • For russia's response.
  • 00:15:45.037 --> 00:15:46.738
  • But i think, i think this is a moment where,
  • 00:15:46.738 --> 00:15:49.708
  • We need to make it clear.
  • 00:15:49.708 --> 00:15:51.076
  • And my hope is that president trump will do just that, that
  • 00:15:51.076 --> 00:15:55.247
  • If, if vladimir putin continues to insist on prosecuting,
  • 00:15:55.247 --> 00:15:59.785
  • This, this brutal war against the ukrainian people,
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  • That the united states and the west
  • 00:16:04.956 --> 00:16:07.826
  • Will continue to give the brave
  • 00:16:07.826 --> 00:16:09.828
  • Ukrainian military what they need to fight and,
  • 00:16:09.828 --> 00:16:12.998
  • And to raise the cost even further for russia.
  • 00:16:12.998 --> 00:16:16.168
  • I honestly believe that the pathway to peace,
  • 00:16:16.168 --> 00:16:19.304
  • And what peace looks like for me is whatever
  • 00:16:20.205 --> 00:16:22.741
  • The ukrainian people are,
  • 00:16:22.741 --> 00:16:24.476
  • Are willing to accept
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  • And to move forward with and that we should endorse.
  • 00:16:25.677 --> 00:16:27.946
  • But i think it all begins with sending an unambiguous message,
  • 00:16:27.946 --> 00:16:32.084
  • To the russian military that,
  • 00:16:32.717 --> 00:16:35.287
  • That we will continue to stand with ukraine
  • 00:16:35.287 --> 00:16:38.056
  • As they defend their sovereignty, and
  • 00:16:38.056 --> 00:16:42.661
  • And at the end of the day, i truly do believe
  • 00:16:42.661 --> 00:16:45.263
  • Whether, whether you're
  • 00:16:45.263 --> 00:16:46.031
  • Talking about vladimir putin
  • 00:16:46.031 --> 00:16:47.532
  • Or whether you're talking about president xi
  • 00:16:47.532 --> 00:16:50.569
  • Or the i would assume the ayatollahs, these are,
  • 00:16:50.569 --> 00:16:54.973
  • These are men of power.
  • 00:16:55.474 --> 00:16:57.142
  • They only understand strength.
  • 00:16:57.142 --> 00:16:59.244
  • And so by by acting out american strength.
  • 00:16:59.244 --> 00:17:02.647
  • Having america embrace our role as leader of the free world
  • 00:17:03.815 --> 00:17:06.618
  • From eastern europe to the asia pacific,
  • 00:17:06.618 --> 00:17:08.987
  • And most especially with regard
  • 00:17:08.987 --> 00:17:10.422
  • To our most cherished ally, israel.
  • 00:17:10.422 --> 00:17:12.791
  • That's the real pathway to peace in the 21st century.
  • 00:17:12.791 --> 00:17:16.495
  • Coming up
  • 00:17:16.795 --> 00:17:17.796
  • Next on the rosenberg report, president trump
  • 00:17:17.796 --> 00:17:20.565
  • And his team are imposing new tariffs all over the world.
  • 00:17:20.565 --> 00:17:24.569
  • Are they the right tool to use against
  • 00:17:24.569 --> 00:17:27.072
  • Communist china and other american enemies?
  • 00:17:27.072 --> 00:17:30.175
  • What about broad based tariffs against america's friends?
  • 00:17:30.175 --> 00:17:33.645
  • I'll ask former vice president mike pence about the pros
  • 00:17:33.645 --> 00:17:37.449
  • And cons of imposing tariffs on friends and foes alike.
  • 00:17:37.449 --> 00:17:42.854
  • When the rosenberg report continues on tbn right
  • 00:17:42.854 --> 00:17:46.491
  • After the break.
  • 00:17:46.491 --> 00:17:49.004
  • After the break.
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  • Tariffs.
  • 00:17:53.333 --> 00:17:56.570
  • They can be a tool in foreign policy.
  • 00:17:56.570 --> 00:17:59.373
  • And i think in many ways, president trump,
  • 00:17:59.373 --> 00:18:01.875
  • When it comes to communist china,
  • 00:18:01.875 --> 00:18:03.577
  • For example, is using it as a, as a tool of foreign policy
  • 00:18:03.577 --> 00:18:06.847
  • To send them.
  • 00:18:06.847 --> 00:18:07.548
  • It's not just economic policy.
  • 00:18:07.548 --> 00:18:10.184
  • Canada, mexico.
  • 00:18:10.184 --> 00:18:11.318
  • This is a little bit mixed.
  • 00:18:11.318 --> 00:18:12.319
  • Partly it's hey, you guys are our allies, but,
  • 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:15.622
  • Let's start actually acting more like allies.
  • 00:18:15.622 --> 00:18:17.958
  • And on a range of issues,
  • 00:18:17.958 --> 00:18:19.593
  • The borders and fentanyl and so forth.
  • 00:18:19.593 --> 00:18:22.396
  • But they also have real risks.
  • 00:18:22.396 --> 00:18:24.164
  • And you have... this is a...
  • 00:18:24.164 --> 00:18:26.166
  • I think almost everything you've said so far,
  • 00:18:26.166 --> 00:18:27.968
  • Even if you have concerns or even criticisms of president
  • 00:18:27.968 --> 00:18:31.004
  • Trump during 24 or but,
  • 00:18:31.004 --> 00:18:34.274
  • Mostly you are
  • 00:18:34.274 --> 00:18:35.475
  • You're signaling in this,
  • 00:18:35.475 --> 00:18:36.543
  • In this interview that you're encouraged
  • 00:18:36.543 --> 00:18:38.645
  • Where the president's going on china.
  • 00:18:38.645 --> 00:18:40.447
  • Well, on iran and russia, ukraine
  • 00:18:40.447 --> 00:18:43.550
  • Tariffs is different.
  • 00:18:44.051 --> 00:18:45.786
  • If you could just take a moment.
  • 00:18:45.786 --> 00:18:47.120
  • I think it's helpful to hear your argument why
  • 00:18:47.120 --> 00:18:51.425
  • You think he may be overdoing,
  • 00:18:51.425 --> 00:18:54.661
  • The use of tariffs.
  • 00:18:54.661 --> 00:18:55.829
  • Well, for,
  • 00:18:55.829 --> 00:18:57.698
  • For our part, a part of when we change the national
  • 00:18:57.698 --> 00:19:00.000
  • Stance on china is we, we impose $250
  • 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.003
  • Billion in tariffs on china.
  • 00:19:03.003 --> 00:19:06.373
  • And within six months, they came to the negotiating table.
  • 00:19:06.373 --> 00:19:09.443
  • And in january 2020, we inked what came to be known
  • 00:19:09.443 --> 00:19:12.112
  • As the phase one trade deal,
  • 00:19:12.112 --> 00:19:13.814
  • First opening in the chinese market,
  • 00:19:13.814 --> 00:19:15.382
  • Particularly to agricultural goods
  • 00:19:15.382 --> 00:19:17.451
  • That had taken place in a generation.
  • 00:19:17.451 --> 00:19:20.153
  • So my first category is we ought to tariff china aggressively.
  • 00:19:20.153 --> 00:19:24.791
  • Okay.
  • 00:19:24.791 --> 00:19:25.826
  • That's important.
  • 00:19:25.826 --> 00:19:26.593
  • And and require, that, the china,
  • 00:19:26.593 --> 00:19:30.297
  • Chinese imports into the united states are
  • 00:19:31.164 --> 00:19:33.567
  • Facing severe tariffs unless and until,
  • 00:19:33.567 --> 00:19:36.737
  • China opens their markets to the united states
  • 00:19:36.737 --> 00:19:38.972
  • And ends the trade abuses there, who's not.
  • 00:19:38.972 --> 00:19:41.074
  • Connected in that case to their military policy?
  • 00:19:41.074 --> 00:19:44.244
  • But it might be
  • 00:19:44.244 --> 00:19:46.013
  • Loosely connected, but it's really about economic openness.
  • 00:19:46.013 --> 00:19:48.582
  • It really is about,
  • 00:19:48.582 --> 00:19:50.117
  • About taking advantage of the united states.
  • 00:19:50.117 --> 00:19:52.386
  • Okay.
  • 00:19:52.386 --> 00:19:53.620
  • Now, with regard to all other tariffs, i will tell you that,
  • 00:19:53.620 --> 00:19:56.857
  • I helped negotiate the, the,
  • 00:19:56.857 --> 00:19:59.459
  • Replacement for nafta can be known as a u.s.
  • 00:19:59.459 --> 00:20:01.762
  • Mexico-canada agreement.
  • 00:20:01.762 --> 00:20:03.730
  • The, the president's recent posture toward canada and mexico
  • 00:20:03.730 --> 00:20:08.001
  • May well be a preamble, to beginning those negotiations,
  • 00:20:08.001 --> 00:20:12.139
  • Which need to start in earnest over the next year.
  • 00:20:12.139 --> 00:20:14.708
  • But i, i think it's extremely important
  • 00:20:14.708 --> 00:20:16.643
  • That people understand
  • 00:20:16.643 --> 00:20:17.711
  • That there are many advisers around the president
  • 00:20:17.711 --> 00:20:19.579
  • That are also talking about broad
  • 00:20:19.579 --> 00:20:21.815
  • Based tariffs on all goods coming into the united states.
  • 00:20:21.815 --> 00:20:25.552
  • And at a time when our families here
  • 00:20:25.552 --> 00:20:27.487
  • In indiana and all over the country
  • 00:20:27.487 --> 00:20:28.855
  • Are still recovering from the biden inflation,
  • 00:20:28.855 --> 00:20:32.659
  • A gusher of spending that launched the worst inflation
  • 00:20:32.659 --> 00:20:35.829
  • In 40 years.
  • 00:20:35.829 --> 00:20:37.297
  • I have great concerns
  • 00:20:37.297 --> 00:20:38.565
  • About broad based tariffs at our borders for tax.
  • 00:20:38.565 --> 00:20:42.069
  • Well, ultimately they do land not on the company
  • 00:20:42.069 --> 00:20:45.439
  • Or the country, the, the foreign country.
  • 00:20:45.439 --> 00:20:47.574
  • They're going to get passed through almost, almost always.
  • 00:20:47.574 --> 00:20:50.811
  • Not always, but almost always.
  • 00:20:50.811 --> 00:20:52.579
  • American consumers.
  • 00:20:53.046 --> 00:20:54.247
  • Well, it's just so important that people understand that,
  • 00:20:54.247 --> 00:20:57.484
  • The tariffs are paid by the importers in this country.
  • 00:20:57.484 --> 00:21:00.887
  • And then,
  • 00:21:01.188 --> 00:21:02.289
  • As you said, more often than not,
  • 00:21:02.289 --> 00:21:03.757
  • They're passed along to consumers.
  • 00:21:03.757 --> 00:21:06.360
  • I know that a member of the cabinet recently said
  • 00:21:06.360 --> 00:21:08.528
  • That the american dream is not about low cost goods.
  • 00:21:08.528 --> 00:21:11.998
  • Actually, having lived on a paycheck
  • 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:15.102
  • Almost my entire career, you know what?
  • 00:21:15.102 --> 00:21:16.536
  • It is a lot about low cost goods and being able to
  • 00:21:16.536 --> 00:21:19.005
  • Enjoy a quality of life.
  • 00:21:19.005 --> 00:21:21.007
  • Yeah.
  • 00:21:21.007 --> 00:21:22.209
  • No one's been second to you on wanting to bring american
  • 00:21:22.209 --> 00:21:24.344
  • Manufacturing back to america and defend our farms, our
  • 00:21:24.344 --> 00:21:27.514
  • And our workers.
  • 00:21:27.514 --> 00:21:29.716
  • It's not about that, but it is about our workers
  • 00:21:29.716 --> 00:21:32.686
  • Who are getting their jobs back and plants
  • 00:21:32.686 --> 00:21:34.221
  • Moving back out of china, for example, coming here.
  • 00:21:34.221 --> 00:21:36.823
  • But are they going to have to pay such huge, high prices?
  • 00:21:36.823 --> 00:21:39.893
  • Under a republican administration
  • 00:21:40.660 --> 00:21:42.929
  • When they're thinking, wait, i thought that was
  • 00:21:42.929 --> 00:21:44.798
  • I thought there was the democrats who raised prices?
  • 00:21:44.798 --> 00:21:47.234
  • I think the way we
  • 00:21:47.234 --> 00:21:48.335
  • Grew the economy in our four years was we cut taxes.
  • 00:21:48.335 --> 00:21:51.905
  • Some of those tax cuts go away at the end of this year.
  • 00:21:51.905 --> 00:21:54.241
  • Yeah, we got to get those back.
  • 00:21:54.241 --> 00:21:55.409
  • We rolled back regulation. we unleashed american energy.
  • 00:21:55.409 --> 00:21:58.078
  • That's still that's still the pathway
  • 00:21:58.078 --> 00:21:59.980
  • To creating jobs in this country.
  • 00:21:59.980 --> 00:22:02.115
  • But it's not just tariffs we would impose on goods
  • 00:22:02.115 --> 00:22:04.818
  • Coming into the united states as tariffs
  • 00:22:04.818 --> 00:22:06.953
  • That would be retaliated by other countries.
  • 00:22:06.953 --> 00:22:09.923
  • And you're in indiana now, and i'm happy to tell you
  • 00:22:09.923 --> 00:22:12.259
  • This is the second leading exporting state in america.
  • 00:22:12.259 --> 00:22:15.762
  • What we make, what we grow, we literally sell
  • 00:22:15.762 --> 00:22:17.998
  • All over the world.
  • 00:22:17.998 --> 00:22:19.166
  • And so to the extent that other countries in the world
  • 00:22:19.166 --> 00:22:21.668
  • Retaliate with tariffs against what we make
  • 00:22:21.668 --> 00:22:24.404
  • And what our agricultural goods are, there's a real cost there.
  • 00:22:24.404 --> 00:22:27.774
  • So for me,
  • 00:22:27.774 --> 00:22:28.909
  • Let's have arm's length negotiations.
  • 00:22:29.709 --> 00:22:32.212
  • Let's seek free trade with free nations.
  • 00:22:32.212 --> 00:22:35.182
  • Let's be very tough on
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  • Authoritarian regimes that engage in trade abuses.
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  • But i'm going to continue to signal, a cautionary tone
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  • About broad based tariffs on all goods
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  • Coming into the united states, which many in and around,
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  • The trump administration are advocating for.
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  • Last corollary, superfast...
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  • Just is there a political risk
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  • To the trump agenda
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  • With only a three seat margin in the house?
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  • If if prices are high and the economy is
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  • Struggling a bit or a lot,
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  • A year from now that the rest of the trump
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  • Agenda, which is so important
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  • And you actually agree with it, i agree with and so many fronts
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  • Could be at risk if the republicans
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  • Were to lose the house.
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  • Well, i. was at two.
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  • Is that extrapolating too far?
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  • No. look midterm elections
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  • Are always tough on the party in power in the white house,
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  • Especially tough when the economy is bad.
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  • You can look at ronald reagan in 1982.
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  • Yeah. had a brutal midterm election.
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  • The policies
  • 00:23:40.413 --> 00:23:41.581
  • That he was putting into effect hadn't yet taken effect.
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  • It's one of the reasons why i think we ought to
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  • We ought to do tax cuts before tariffs.
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  • We ought to make sure that.
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  • Drill baby drill, let's get the energy flowing,
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  • That gas prices. down not going.
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  • And and not only look at the,
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  • Good policy is good politics.
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  • If we do the right thing where we're
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  • Literally promoting policies that under our administration
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  • We prove create growth, opportunity,
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  • Raise wages, raise the income of working families,
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  • The politics will take care of itself. all right.
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  • Mr. vice president, thank you.
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  • It's great to see you, your good friend.
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  • Thank you, joe, and you're a great american.
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  • And i appreciate, the time right here.
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  • Now, the rosenberg report.
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  • Thank you.
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  • It's great to be in indiana with you to
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  • Have you back. thank you.
  • 00:24:29.062 --> 00:24:30.730
  • While we've covered a lot of ground
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  • In two interviews
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  • With my friend, the former vice president of the united states,
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  • Mike pence, you may agree with him.
  • 00:24:36.236 --> 00:24:37.837
  • You may disagree with him.
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  • But it's important to hear
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  • From a man who knows donald trump
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  • As a political leader better than any person on the planet,
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  • Somebody who knows and has spent time
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  • With xi jinping, the president of china,
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  • Who knows and has spent time with,
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  • The czar of russia, vladimir putin, and knows,
  • 00:24:51.451 --> 00:24:54.888
  • Zelensky and was at trump's side in building the maximum
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  • Pressure campaign to deal with the iran nuclear threat.
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  • I'm very grateful for the opportunity
  • 00:25:02.228 --> 00:25:03.763
  • To sit down with mike pence and to share his insight
  • 00:25:03.763 --> 00:25:06.967
  • With all of you. a lot to chew on.
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  • Well, that's all the time that we've got from indianapolis.
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  • I'm so grateful that you came and spent this week with us.
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  • Hope you'll go back and watch the last show.
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  • May god give you a great and wonderful week
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  • As you spend time with your family and your friends.
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  • Walking in the word, walking in the power
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  • Of the holy spirit, loving your neighbor
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  • Caring for those who are less fortunate,
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  • And praying for the peace of jerusalem.
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  • Thank you so much. until next week.
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  • God bless you.
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  • I look forward to seeing you next week right here
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  • On the rosenberg report.
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