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The Rosenberg Report | Joel Rosenberg: Mike Pence Talks Probability of WWIII | The Rosenberg Report | April 2, 2025
- Tonight on the rosenberg report,
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- With an actual shooting war
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- Between the united states
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- And iran now appearing closer than ever in my lifetime.
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- President trump has given iranian leaders a deadline
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- To come to the table in the next two months
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- And end the iranian
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- Nuclear weapons threat once and for all, or else.
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- Is president trump really ready to go to war
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- Against the iranian regime?
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- I'll ask the man who served as president trump's
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- Most trusted advisor in his first term,
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- The man who was at the president's side
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- When trump ripped up obama's disastrous nuclear deal
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- With iran.
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- Part two of my exclusive conversation
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- With former vice president mike pence
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- Tonight on a very special edition of
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- The rosenberg report.
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- How close are we to world war three?
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- President
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- Trump is worried that we're very close.
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- President trump is worried that russian
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- President vladimir putin
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- Is about to go nuclear, that putin
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- Might use tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine. why?
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- Because putin is humiliated.
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- Because he's lost hundreds of thousands of troops,
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- Both in death and getting wounded.
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- Casualties overall.
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- And he's worried.
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- Trump is worried that putin
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- Might unleash nuclear weapons.
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- And in ukraine, why not just to win or
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- To punish the people of ukraine, but also to annihilate them
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- And to strengthen putin's own
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- Political standing in russia, in the world?
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- That's how dangerous that situation is.
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- Meanwhile, you got the iranian leadership just weeks away
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- From building a full on, fully operational nuclear warheads.
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- And president trump is trying
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- To manage these crises, as well as
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- The threat of communist china
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- To taiwan, to our pacific allies and to israel.
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- Good evening and welcome to the rosenberg report.
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- We are in indianapolis tonight,
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- The capital of the great state of indiana in the midwest,
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- As part of my speaking tour all over the united states
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- And releasing
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- The beijing betrayal, which i'm so encouraged.
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- Thank you to every single person
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- Who's buying it, who's reading it,
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- Who's tweeting about it, who's posting it on
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- Facebook, who's telling you, you're telling your friends
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- That you're enjoying it or that you hate it or whatever.
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- I appreciate that you're engaging with it.
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- And i want to i wanted to come to indiana
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- To sit down with the former vice
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- President of the united states, mike pence.
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- You saw last week, and if you didn't see it,
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- Go to rosenbergreport.tv, go to our youtube channel.
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- Watch last week's show.
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- Very important.
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- As i sat down,
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- With the former vice president of the united states,
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- Trump's number two
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- Guy, his right hand man during the first administration,
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- Mike pence, has dealt with xi jinping.
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- He's negotiated on behalf of president trump with
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- Xi jinping, the communist dictator of china,
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- About these critical issues.
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- But pence doesn't just know
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- Xi jinping, he knows vladimir putin.
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- He has spent time with vladimir putin
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- And with vladimir zelensky, the president of ukraine.
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- I mean, really, just how often do you get
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- An opportunity to sit down with a leader
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- And evangelical christian, i might add, who knows
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- President trump
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- Probably better than any political leader in the world,
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- Because he worked so closely with him for four years
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- And some of the most important issues in the world.
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- Somebody
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- Who knows xi jinping and knows vladimir putin and vladimir
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- Zelensky, it's a very rare opportunity that we're getting.
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- And i couldn't just do one show with mike pence.
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- I had to do two.
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- So this is part two of our conversation.
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- And tonight we're going to deal with russia.
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- We're going to deal with ukraine.
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- And the risk of all out nuclear war breaking out.
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- And world war three, as president
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- Trump likes to describe, it doesn't like to,
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- But has to describe it as, we're going to talk about that.
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- But first, i want to deal with iran
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- Nuclear threat, the iran terror threat to israel,
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- To the united states, and to our sunni arab allies.
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- Here's part two of my interview with a former vice
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- President of the united states and an evangelical christian,
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- Mike pence.
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- Iran, by all
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- Accounts, the iranian regime is just weeks away.
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- If they were to make the decision
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- From building six fully operational nuclear warheads,
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- They've obviously got missiles already that can reach israel.
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- All of our sunni arab allies, they're not quite capable.
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- We don't think of reaching the united states.
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- But that's the long term objective, medium term,
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- Objective.
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- President trump has come back to with a strong
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- Maximum pressure economic sanctions campaign.
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- I'm grateful for that.
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- What do you sense
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- This administration needs to do in its second round,
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- Given the weakness of the biden-harris years
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- And how, you know, really the weakness of biden, harris
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- Led iran to feel comfortable with launching a seven front war
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- Against us in israel and obviously made putin feel
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- He could launch
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- An invasion of ukraine,
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- Which he thought would take a few weeks.
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- It's taken now three years.
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- And obviously xi jinping was the one guy of the three big
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- Main enemies of the united states
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- That didn't move, but he seems to be getting close.
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- But iran, what should president trump and his team be doing?
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- Given
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- Given where we are today with regards to iran?
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- Well, i think, i think, the president
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- And his national security team have been taking strong steps
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- To recognize the fact that, iran
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- Has never been in a weaker position
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- In my collective memory.
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- I say that because russia, distracted as it is, by its,
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- Unprovoked and brutal invasion of ukraine
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- Three years ago, the isolation, economic and otherwise,
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- That we placed, iran in during a during our years
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- And evidenced by the collapse of the assad government
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- In syria, all suggest that.
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- And i want to
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- I want to credit president trump
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- And our team in our four years,
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- That allowing our military to take down isis, to, take down
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- Those iranian sponsored militias to, to take out qasem
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- Soleimani, a huge the head of the iranian.
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- And iranian terror
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- Strategist, i think far worse than osama bin laden.
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- The most dangerous terrorist in the world.
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- All of that, i think, is and frankly,
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- I would say to you that the efforts by,
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- Prime minister netanyahu
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- And the israeli government,
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- With the full support of the united states,
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- To take the fight
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- To hamas, to take the fight to hezbollah to the north.
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- Also, this is an opportune moment, right.
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- My, my hope is that the administration
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- Will continue, as they.
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- Did because the president has been saying
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- He's been offering a negotiated track, which in general, we
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- We prefer diplomacy to anything else.
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- Israelis started getting nervous over the last month or two.
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- But now the iranians have said, do whatever the hell you want.
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- We're not going to negotiate.
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- So we're a little less worried now, but we're still curious.
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- Is trump
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- Really want a deal,
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- Or is he just giving the iranians an opportunity to say,
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- We won't go down on a diplomatic track
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- And therefore all bets are off in terms of a possible
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- Military operation? well,
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- I think i know the president well enough to know that,
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- During our
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- Administration, i saw him never hesitate to use force,
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- But always as a last resort.
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- Sure, but making it clear that,
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- Iran cannot be allowed to to
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- So its malign influence across the region,
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- As we said at this taping, the the recent military operations
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- By our forces against the houthis,
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- And the president's clear statements
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- That we understand who sponsors the houthis
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- And that iran will be held accountable
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- If those attacks continue to disrupt global commerce and
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- And fire missiles and drones at u.s.
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- Warships.
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- But i honestly think that this is a time
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- When we need to make it clear to the ayatollah,
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- To the mullahs in tehran, that the united states,
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- And israel,
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- And the free world will never tolerate iran
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- Obtaining a usable nuclear weapon and that,
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- The president's willingness to signal
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- A willingness to dialog with the president of iran.
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- I think in
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- No way, should ever diminish
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- The clarity of america's purpose in this regard.
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- It's...
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- No one understands the challenges and threats
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- To that region better than you, joel,
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- You live it, you've seen it.
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- I don't have direct access to intelligence,
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- But we're doing our best to understand it.
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- But i can i can tell you that a maximum pressure
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- Campaign taking the fight to the houthis.
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- Making it clear that
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- We will defend israel as we have and these unprecedented
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- Missile attacks by iran in recent months,
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- And ultimately making it clear that we would never tolerate
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- Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon, that we're leaving the door
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- Open to them, yielding to that purpose of the free world
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- And the interests of america and israel.
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- But we also need to make it clear that,
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- We have one hand resting
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- Comfortably on the holster of the arsenal of democracy.
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- And america will take such action,
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- Alongside israel is necessary.
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- Do you believe, knowing the president,
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- President trump, better than almost anybody,
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- That he would use force
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- If he felt there just was no other option?
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- Because it feels like we're getting close to that point.
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- I think
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- President trump recognizes peace comes through strength.
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- And while,
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- I think you rightly understand that he's a president
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- That wants to end wars, and,
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- And would like to,
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- See, less american
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- Deployments and commitments in certain parts of the world.
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- I think the clear record of the trump administration, whether
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- When syria used chemical weapons on innocent civilians,
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- We sent 58 cruise missiles in, not once, but twice.
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- Having been alongside the president
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- When those decisions were made, the decisions to use force
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- To see how, our military was greenlighted
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- To take out 300 russian mercenaries
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- In syria when they advanced on our troops.
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- The american people can be confident,
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- And people in that region, including our enemies,
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- Should know that, president donald trump
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- Will take such action as is necessary,
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- To protect our most cherished ally.
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- I'm glad to hear it.
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- And i don't believe the iranian regime believes it
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- Because no one's done it for 50 years or so.
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- But, i think the fact that the president is,
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- Is clearly showing that there's a new sheriff in town
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- Throughout the region and even among america's allies,
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- Is heartening to me.
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- Again, we had israelis had some heartburn
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- Over the last 30, 45 days, but we see him standing with us.
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- He has moved weapons back, ammunition resupply,
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- Defending us at the u.n.
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- Again, withholding $400 million to columbia university
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- For letting rampant anti-semitism.
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- So this is encouraging.
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- And the fact that he's taking action against the
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- Houthis, is very important.
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- Coming up next on the rosenberg report
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- With russian president vladimir putin dangerously close
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- To using tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine,
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- Can president trump find a way
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- To create a real cease fire, much less peace?
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- I'll ask former vice president mike pence,
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- A man who knows trump, putin and ukrainian president
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- Volodymyr zelensky personally for his assessment.
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- When the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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- Right after the break.
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- Right after the break.
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- Let's turn to russia for a moment.
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- You've spent time with vladimir putin
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- And you spent time with vladimir zelensky,
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- Even on the ground, post vp life, going in
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- With franklin graham into ukraine.
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- How do you assess that dust up in the oval office?
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- And what should the u.s.
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- Position at this point, the trump administration's position?
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- What should it be in terms of bringing this war to an end,
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- But recognizing the grave danger that czar putin, in my view,
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- Poses not just to ukraine but to europe?
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- Well, i think it's
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- So it's so important that we start with the truth
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- That,
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- Russia started this war,
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- That russia launched an unprovoked and brutal
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- Invasion, the aftermath of which i witnessed,
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- On the streets of ukraine during my visit there in 2023.
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- My wife, karen, and i, as you mentioned,
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- With samaritan's purse,
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- Traveled across the border two months after the invasion,
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- Went to a refugee center to see literally thousands of
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- Women and children carrying all their earthly possessions
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- Fleeing from the russian invasion.
- 00:13:47.386 --> 00:13:48.987
- So i think the first element is to understand
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- That we we simply cannot,
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- Accept,
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- Authoritarian regimes, whether it be russia,
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- Whether it be china, whether there be iran
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- Attempting to redraw international lines by force.
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- And so standing with ukraine, providing
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- Ukraine with the resources they need,
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- To defend their nation, i think has been and enormously
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- Important national imperative and an imperative for the west,
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- Not just on the broad principle of free nation
- 00:14:17.649 --> 00:14:19.952
- Standing together, though, joel, for me,
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- I have no doubt having met vladimir putin,
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- Having studied his
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- Rhetoric over the last 25 years, his ambition
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- To reassert the old soviet
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- Sphere of influence in eastern europe by force if necessary.
- 00:14:32.998 --> 00:14:37.269
- I have no doubt in my mind that if vladimir putin overruns
- 00:14:37.269 --> 00:14:40.605
- Ukraine, it'll only be a matter of time
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- Before he crosses a border where our men
- 00:14:42.975 --> 00:14:44.710
- And women in uniform are going to have to go fight him.
- 00:14:44.710 --> 00:14:47.012
- I wrote a whole thriller about that,
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- Even before he went into ukraine.
- 00:14:49.114 --> 00:14:50.415
- The kremlin conspiracy
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- That that the russian dictator was trying to decide
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- Whether to take ukraine or one of the three
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- Baltic nato countries estonia, latvia, lithuania.
- 00:14:57.756 --> 00:15:01.226
- And that is something that zelensky
- 00:15:01.226 --> 00:15:02.427
- Was trying to say to the president. right.
- 00:15:02.427 --> 00:15:04.596
- I don't think he did it well. i don't think
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- Zelensky acquitted himself well in that meeting.
- 00:15:06.298 --> 00:15:08.567
- Well, like i did, i do think he got the message right.
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- You know, a few days later...
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- I do too.
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- Look, i've been in a lot of meetings
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- In the oval office that were just as vigorous,
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- But only
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- One that i can remember, where the cameras were on.
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- Okay.
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- Diplomacy can be sharp elbows.
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- And i was very encouraged
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- To see president zelensky,
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- At the end of the day,
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- Accept a ceasefire agreement
- 00:15:35.227 --> 00:15:38.530
- 30 day ceasefire and be willing to put peace on the table.
- 00:15:38.530 --> 00:15:42.267
- And now, at this taping, we continue to wait
- 00:15:42.267 --> 00:15:45.037
- For russia's response.
- 00:15:45.037 --> 00:15:46.738
- But i think, i think this is a moment where,
- 00:15:46.738 --> 00:15:49.708
- We need to make it clear.
- 00:15:49.708 --> 00:15:51.076
- And my hope is that president trump will do just that, that
- 00:15:51.076 --> 00:15:55.247
- If, if vladimir putin continues to insist on prosecuting,
- 00:15:55.247 --> 00:15:59.785
- This, this brutal war against the ukrainian people,
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- That the united states and the west
- 00:16:04.956 --> 00:16:07.826
- Will continue to give the brave
- 00:16:07.826 --> 00:16:09.828
- Ukrainian military what they need to fight and,
- 00:16:09.828 --> 00:16:12.998
- And to raise the cost even further for russia.
- 00:16:12.998 --> 00:16:16.168
- I honestly believe that the pathway to peace,
- 00:16:16.168 --> 00:16:19.304
- And what peace looks like for me is whatever
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- The ukrainian people are,
- 00:16:22.741 --> 00:16:24.476
- Are willing to accept
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- And to move forward with and that we should endorse.
- 00:16:25.677 --> 00:16:27.946
- But i think it all begins with sending an unambiguous message,
- 00:16:27.946 --> 00:16:32.084
- To the russian military that,
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- That we will continue to stand with ukraine
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- As they defend their sovereignty, and
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- And at the end of the day, i truly do believe
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- Whether, whether you're
- 00:16:45.263 --> 00:16:46.031
- Talking about vladimir putin
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- Or whether you're talking about president xi
- 00:16:47.532 --> 00:16:50.569
- Or the i would assume the ayatollahs, these are,
- 00:16:50.569 --> 00:16:54.973
- These are men of power.
- 00:16:55.474 --> 00:16:57.142
- They only understand strength.
- 00:16:57.142 --> 00:16:59.244
- And so by by acting out american strength.
- 00:16:59.244 --> 00:17:02.647
- Having america embrace our role as leader of the free world
- 00:17:03.815 --> 00:17:06.618
- From eastern europe to the asia pacific,
- 00:17:06.618 --> 00:17:08.987
- And most especially with regard
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- To our most cherished ally, israel.
- 00:17:10.422 --> 00:17:12.791
- That's the real pathway to peace in the 21st century.
- 00:17:12.791 --> 00:17:16.495
- Coming up
- 00:17:16.795 --> 00:17:17.796
- Next on the rosenberg report, president trump
- 00:17:17.796 --> 00:17:20.565
- And his team are imposing new tariffs all over the world.
- 00:17:20.565 --> 00:17:24.569
- Are they the right tool to use against
- 00:17:24.569 --> 00:17:27.072
- Communist china and other american enemies?
- 00:17:27.072 --> 00:17:30.175
- What about broad based tariffs against america's friends?
- 00:17:30.175 --> 00:17:33.645
- I'll ask former vice president mike pence about the pros
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- And cons of imposing tariffs on friends and foes alike.
- 00:17:37.449 --> 00:17:42.854
- When the rosenberg report continues on tbn right
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- After the break.
- 00:17:46.491 --> 00:17:49.004
- After the break.
- 00:17:49.004 --> 00:17:53.066
- Tariffs.
- 00:17:53.333 --> 00:17:56.570
- They can be a tool in foreign policy.
- 00:17:56.570 --> 00:17:59.373
- And i think in many ways, president trump,
- 00:17:59.373 --> 00:18:01.875
- When it comes to communist china,
- 00:18:01.875 --> 00:18:03.577
- For example, is using it as a, as a tool of foreign policy
- 00:18:03.577 --> 00:18:06.847
- To send them.
- 00:18:06.847 --> 00:18:07.548
- It's not just economic policy.
- 00:18:07.548 --> 00:18:10.184
- Canada, mexico.
- 00:18:10.184 --> 00:18:11.318
- This is a little bit mixed.
- 00:18:11.318 --> 00:18:12.319
- Partly it's hey, you guys are our allies, but,
- 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:15.622
- Let's start actually acting more like allies.
- 00:18:15.622 --> 00:18:17.958
- And on a range of issues,
- 00:18:17.958 --> 00:18:19.593
- The borders and fentanyl and so forth.
- 00:18:19.593 --> 00:18:22.396
- But they also have real risks.
- 00:18:22.396 --> 00:18:24.164
- And you have... this is a...
- 00:18:24.164 --> 00:18:26.166
- I think almost everything you've said so far,
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- Even if you have concerns or even criticisms of president
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- Trump during 24 or but,
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- Mostly you are
- 00:18:34.274 --> 00:18:35.475
- You're signaling in this,
- 00:18:35.475 --> 00:18:36.543
- In this interview that you're encouraged
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- Where the president's going on china.
- 00:18:38.645 --> 00:18:40.447
- Well, on iran and russia, ukraine
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- Tariffs is different.
- 00:18:44.051 --> 00:18:45.786
- If you could just take a moment.
- 00:18:45.786 --> 00:18:47.120
- I think it's helpful to hear your argument why
- 00:18:47.120 --> 00:18:51.425
- You think he may be overdoing,
- 00:18:51.425 --> 00:18:54.661
- The use of tariffs.
- 00:18:54.661 --> 00:18:55.829
- Well, for,
- 00:18:55.829 --> 00:18:57.698
- For our part, a part of when we change the national
- 00:18:57.698 --> 00:19:00.000
- Stance on china is we, we impose $250
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- Billion in tariffs on china.
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- And within six months, they came to the negotiating table.
- 00:19:06.373 --> 00:19:09.443
- And in january 2020, we inked what came to be known
- 00:19:09.443 --> 00:19:12.112
- As the phase one trade deal,
- 00:19:12.112 --> 00:19:13.814
- First opening in the chinese market,
- 00:19:13.814 --> 00:19:15.382
- Particularly to agricultural goods
- 00:19:15.382 --> 00:19:17.451
- That had taken place in a generation.
- 00:19:17.451 --> 00:19:20.153
- So my first category is we ought to tariff china aggressively.
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- Okay.
- 00:19:24.791 --> 00:19:25.826
- That's important.
- 00:19:25.826 --> 00:19:26.593
- And and require, that, the china,
- 00:19:26.593 --> 00:19:30.297
- Chinese imports into the united states are
- 00:19:31.164 --> 00:19:33.567
- Facing severe tariffs unless and until,
- 00:19:33.567 --> 00:19:36.737
- China opens their markets to the united states
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- And ends the trade abuses there, who's not.
- 00:19:38.972 --> 00:19:41.074
- Connected in that case to their military policy?
- 00:19:41.074 --> 00:19:44.244
- But it might be
- 00:19:44.244 --> 00:19:46.013
- Loosely connected, but it's really about economic openness.
- 00:19:46.013 --> 00:19:48.582
- It really is about,
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- About taking advantage of the united states.
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- Okay.
- 00:19:52.386 --> 00:19:53.620
- Now, with regard to all other tariffs, i will tell you that,
- 00:19:53.620 --> 00:19:56.857
- I helped negotiate the, the,
- 00:19:56.857 --> 00:19:59.459
- Replacement for nafta can be known as a u.s.
- 00:19:59.459 --> 00:20:01.762
- Mexico-canada agreement.
- 00:20:01.762 --> 00:20:03.730
- The, the president's recent posture toward canada and mexico
- 00:20:03.730 --> 00:20:08.001
- May well be a preamble, to beginning those negotiations,
- 00:20:08.001 --> 00:20:12.139
- Which need to start in earnest over the next year.
- 00:20:12.139 --> 00:20:14.708
- But i, i think it's extremely important
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- That people understand
- 00:20:16.643 --> 00:20:17.711
- That there are many advisers around the president
- 00:20:17.711 --> 00:20:19.579
- That are also talking about broad
- 00:20:19.579 --> 00:20:21.815
- Based tariffs on all goods coming into the united states.
- 00:20:21.815 --> 00:20:25.552
- And at a time when our families here
- 00:20:25.552 --> 00:20:27.487
- In indiana and all over the country
- 00:20:27.487 --> 00:20:28.855
- Are still recovering from the biden inflation,
- 00:20:28.855 --> 00:20:32.659
- A gusher of spending that launched the worst inflation
- 00:20:32.659 --> 00:20:35.829
- In 40 years.
- 00:20:35.829 --> 00:20:37.297
- I have great concerns
- 00:20:37.297 --> 00:20:38.565
- About broad based tariffs at our borders for tax.
- 00:20:38.565 --> 00:20:42.069
- Well, ultimately they do land not on the company
- 00:20:42.069 --> 00:20:45.439
- Or the country, the, the foreign country.
- 00:20:45.439 --> 00:20:47.574
- They're going to get passed through almost, almost always.
- 00:20:47.574 --> 00:20:50.811
- Not always, but almost always.
- 00:20:50.811 --> 00:20:52.579
- American consumers.
- 00:20:53.046 --> 00:20:54.247
- Well, it's just so important that people understand that,
- 00:20:54.247 --> 00:20:57.484
- The tariffs are paid by the importers in this country.
- 00:20:57.484 --> 00:21:00.887
- And then,
- 00:21:01.188 --> 00:21:02.289
- As you said, more often than not,
- 00:21:02.289 --> 00:21:03.757
- They're passed along to consumers.
- 00:21:03.757 --> 00:21:06.360
- I know that a member of the cabinet recently said
- 00:21:06.360 --> 00:21:08.528
- That the american dream is not about low cost goods.
- 00:21:08.528 --> 00:21:11.998
- Actually, having lived on a paycheck
- 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:15.102
- Almost my entire career, you know what?
- 00:21:15.102 --> 00:21:16.536
- It is a lot about low cost goods and being able to
- 00:21:16.536 --> 00:21:19.005
- Enjoy a quality of life.
- 00:21:19.005 --> 00:21:21.007
- Yeah.
- 00:21:21.007 --> 00:21:22.209
- No one's been second to you on wanting to bring american
- 00:21:22.209 --> 00:21:24.344
- Manufacturing back to america and defend our farms, our
- 00:21:24.344 --> 00:21:27.514
- And our workers.
- 00:21:27.514 --> 00:21:29.716
- It's not about that, but it is about our workers
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- Who are getting their jobs back and plants
- 00:21:32.686 --> 00:21:34.221
- Moving back out of china, for example, coming here.
- 00:21:34.221 --> 00:21:36.823
- But are they going to have to pay such huge, high prices?
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- Under a republican administration
- 00:21:40.660 --> 00:21:42.929
- When they're thinking, wait, i thought that was
- 00:21:42.929 --> 00:21:44.798
- I thought there was the democrats who raised prices?
- 00:21:44.798 --> 00:21:47.234
- I think the way we
- 00:21:47.234 --> 00:21:48.335
- Grew the economy in our four years was we cut taxes.
- 00:21:48.335 --> 00:21:51.905
- Some of those tax cuts go away at the end of this year.
- 00:21:51.905 --> 00:21:54.241
- Yeah, we got to get those back.
- 00:21:54.241 --> 00:21:55.409
- We rolled back regulation. we unleashed american energy.
- 00:21:55.409 --> 00:21:58.078
- That's still that's still the pathway
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- To creating jobs in this country.
- 00:21:59.980 --> 00:22:02.115
- But it's not just tariffs we would impose on goods
- 00:22:02.115 --> 00:22:04.818
- Coming into the united states as tariffs
- 00:22:04.818 --> 00:22:06.953
- That would be retaliated by other countries.
- 00:22:06.953 --> 00:22:09.923
- And you're in indiana now, and i'm happy to tell you
- 00:22:09.923 --> 00:22:12.259
- This is the second leading exporting state in america.
- 00:22:12.259 --> 00:22:15.762
- What we make, what we grow, we literally sell
- 00:22:15.762 --> 00:22:17.998
- All over the world.
- 00:22:17.998 --> 00:22:19.166
- And so to the extent that other countries in the world
- 00:22:19.166 --> 00:22:21.668
- Retaliate with tariffs against what we make
- 00:22:21.668 --> 00:22:24.404
- And what our agricultural goods are, there's a real cost there.
- 00:22:24.404 --> 00:22:27.774
- So for me,
- 00:22:27.774 --> 00:22:28.909
- Let's have arm's length negotiations.
- 00:22:29.709 --> 00:22:32.212
- Let's seek free trade with free nations.
- 00:22:32.212 --> 00:22:35.182
- Let's be very tough on
- 00:22:35.182 --> 00:22:36.483
- Authoritarian regimes that engage in trade abuses.
- 00:22:36.483 --> 00:22:39.953
- But i'm going to continue to signal, a cautionary tone
- 00:22:39.953 --> 00:22:43.657
- About broad based tariffs on all goods
- 00:22:43.657 --> 00:22:46.326
- Coming into the united states, which many in and around,
- 00:22:46.326 --> 00:22:50.030
- The trump administration are advocating for.
- 00:22:50.030 --> 00:22:52.899
- Last corollary, superfast...
- 00:22:52.899 --> 00:22:54.935
- Just is there a political risk
- 00:22:54.935 --> 00:22:58.004
- To the trump agenda
- 00:22:58.004 --> 00:23:01.508
- With only a three seat margin in the house?
- 00:23:01.508 --> 00:23:04.478
- If if prices are high and the economy is
- 00:23:04.478 --> 00:23:08.648
- Struggling a bit or a lot,
- 00:23:08.648 --> 00:23:12.085
- A year from now that the rest of the trump
- 00:23:12.085 --> 00:23:15.155
- Agenda, which is so important
- 00:23:15.155 --> 00:23:16.623
- And you actually agree with it, i agree with and so many fronts
- 00:23:16.623 --> 00:23:20.093
- Could be at risk if the republicans
- 00:23:20.093 --> 00:23:22.462
- Were to lose the house.
- 00:23:22.462 --> 00:23:23.830
- Well, i. was at two.
- 00:23:23.830 --> 00:23:25.265
- Is that extrapolating too far?
- 00:23:25.265 --> 00:23:26.900
- No. look midterm elections
- 00:23:26.900 --> 00:23:28.301
- Are always tough on the party in power in the white house,
- 00:23:28.301 --> 00:23:32.105
- Especially tough when the economy is bad.
- 00:23:32.105 --> 00:23:34.207
- You can look at ronald reagan in 1982.
- 00:23:34.207 --> 00:23:38.178
- Yeah. had a brutal midterm election.
- 00:23:38.178 --> 00:23:40.413
- The policies
- 00:23:40.413 --> 00:23:41.581
- That he was putting into effect hadn't yet taken effect.
- 00:23:41.581 --> 00:23:44.317
- It's one of the reasons why i think we ought to
- 00:23:44.317 --> 00:23:47.587
- We ought to do tax cuts before tariffs.
- 00:23:47.587 --> 00:23:50.857
- We ought to make sure that.
- 00:23:50.857 --> 00:23:52.292
- Drill baby drill, let's get the energy flowing,
- 00:23:52.292 --> 00:23:54.461
- That gas prices. down not going.
- 00:23:54.461 --> 00:23:56.263
- And and not only look at the,
- 00:23:56.263 --> 00:23:58.865
- Good policy is good politics.
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- If we do the right thing where we're
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- Literally promoting policies that under our administration
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- We prove create growth, opportunity,
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- Raise wages, raise the income of working families,
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- The politics will take care of itself. all right.
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- Mr. vice president, thank you.
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- It's great to see you, your good friend.
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- Thank you, joe, and you're a great american.
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- And i appreciate, the time right here.
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- Now, the rosenberg report.
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- Thank you.
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- It's great to be in indiana with you to
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- Have you back. thank you.
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- While we've covered a lot of ground
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- In two interviews
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- With my friend, the former vice president of the united states,
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- Mike pence, you may agree with him.
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- You may disagree with him.
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- But it's important to hear
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- From a man who knows donald trump
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- As a political leader better than any person on the planet,
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- Somebody who knows and has spent time
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- With xi jinping, the president of china,
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- Who knows and has spent time with,
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- The czar of russia, vladimir putin, and knows,
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- Zelensky and was at trump's side in building the maximum
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- Pressure campaign to deal with the iran nuclear threat.
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- I'm very grateful for the opportunity
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- To sit down with mike pence and to share his insight
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- With all of you. a lot to chew on.
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- Thank you so much for watching.
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- I want to encourage you
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- To pick up a copy of the beijing betrayal.
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- If you already have it
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- By one for a friend, by one for several friends,
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- And send it to them and tell them
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- What you thought of it, hopefully you liked it,
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- I appreciate that.
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- Please keep praying for israel.
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- We we've got a tough slog ahead of us to win.
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- Have total victory against, the,
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- The demons.
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- Of hamas and the palestine islamic jihad organization
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- In gaza.
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- We've got to keep praying for our troops
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- And for, in israel and for full victory there
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- And for the release of all of our hostages.
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- Well, that's all the time that we've got from indianapolis.
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- I'm so grateful that you came and spent this week with us.
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- Hope you'll go back and watch the last show.
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- May god give you a great and wonderful week
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- As you spend time with your family and your friends.
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- Walking in the word, walking in the power
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- Of the holy spirit, loving your neighbor
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- As yourself,
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- Caring for those who are less fortunate,
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- And praying for the peace of jerusalem.
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- Thank you so much. until next week.
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- God bless you.
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- I look forward to seeing you next week right here
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- On the rosenberg report.
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