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Joel Rosenberg: Pence's Take on the China Threat | The Rosenberg Report

March 26, 2025 | 27:53

Joel Rosenberg: Pence's Take on the China Threat | The Rosenberg Report
Former vice president Mike Pence joins Joel Rosenberg on The Rosenberg Report to discuss China’s growing threat on America.
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The Rosenberg Report | Joel Rosenberg: Pence's Take on the China Threat | The Rosenberg Report | March 26, 2025
  • Tonight on the rosenberg report.
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  • As the dictators of china, russia and iran drive
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  • Events toward world war three,
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  • I'll introduce you to the man who served as president
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  • Trump's most trusted advisor in his first term,
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  • A man sent by trump to deal directly with chinese president
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  • Xi jinping and russian president vladimir putin.
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  • Just how dangerous does he regard these two tyrants?
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  • And why is he sounding the alarm
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  • That a communist chinese invasion of taiwan
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  • Would not only be catastrophic for the us
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  • And our allies in the pacific, but for israel as well?
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  • An exclusive conversation
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  • With one of the very few evangelical christians
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  • Who's gone toe to toe
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  • With two of america's most dangerous enemies.
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  • Tonight on the rosenberg report.
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  • Communist china
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  • Says it wants to destroy the united states,
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  • And it wants to be the sole superpower in the world.
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  • This is driven by xi jinping,
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  • The tyrannical dictator of communist china today.
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  • But how many times do you get a chance in life to sit down
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  • With someone who has met xi jinping?
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  • How many times you get a chance to sit down
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  • With someone who's
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  • Who's worked with president trump in the closest possible
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  • Way in the situation room in the oval office,
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  • Charting a strategy to counter the communist chinese threat
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  • Not only to the united states, but to our pacific allies
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  • Like taiwan, like japan, south korea,
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  • The philippines, australia, and so forth.
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  • And to counter the chinese
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  • Alliance that's growing with the iranian regime.
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  • Good evening, and welcome to the rosenberg report.
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  • We've come to indianapolis, the capital of the great state,
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  • Midwestern state of indiana, to meet with my friend mike pence.
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  • Mike pence, i first met
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  • When he was in the house of representatives.
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  • He was the third highest ranking
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  • Republican leader, and he happened to be
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  • He and his wife.
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  • Fans of my novels. and that's how we met.
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  • He invited me to come
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  • And have lunch with him in washington years ago,
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  • Before i moved to israel.
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  • We got to know each other better over the years as he became
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  • The governor of indiana and then, to all of our shock,
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  • He became the vice president of the united states,
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  • Being selected by donald trump in the 2016 campaign
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  • To be his running mate.
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  • And in many ways, you really have to credit.
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  • I credit trump winning to him choosing mike pence
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  • Because he swayed a group of evangelicals who were skeptical
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  • Of trump, myself included.
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  • In 2016, to vote for trump in the final days
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  • And weeks of that 2016 campaign and to win.
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  • And then, you know, trump had put chris christie
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  • The former governor of new jersey,
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  • In charge of the transition, and then he fired chris christie
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  • Because christie was doing a terrible job.
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  • Who did he put in charge of that?
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  • Vice president elect, mike pence,
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  • Who helped recruit and and put into the administration
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  • Very strong, conservative, even strong evangelical christians.
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  • And as vice president
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  • Mike pence worked very, very closely with the trump,
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  • With president trump on that america first agenda
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  • That was so effective, so successful.
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  • Now, i know they had a fallout.
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  • And, and that is an interesting and important issue,
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  • But it's not the issue we're talking about today.
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  • I wanted to come and sit down with my friend mike pence,
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  • To give him a copy.
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  • Both him and his wife,
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  • They're both fans of the books, copies of the beijing betrayal.
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  • And i wanted to talk to him.
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  • Mike, i call mike, but he is the former vice president.
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  • Mike.
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  • You know, xi jinping,
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  • You have negotiated with xi jinping.
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  • You were president trump's emissary
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  • To xi jinping.
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  • You know who who he is, how the communist leader thinks.
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  • And you also know how president trump thinks.
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  • I want you to assess how serious is the communist chinese
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  • Threat right now to american interests, to american allies?
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  • And you also just made
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  • Your first ever trip just just weeks ago to taiwan.
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  • You've never gone there before, and you met
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  • With the presidents of taiwan,
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  • The democratic leader of the democratic island of taiwan.
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  • Well, how did that conversation go?
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  • Why did you go for me,
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  • Who's thinking a lot about china
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  • And the china threat to america,
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  • The pacific allies, and to israel.
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  • This is something very, very important to me.
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  • And i really appreciate first, your faith in jesus christ,
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  • Your personal friendship, but also your perspective.
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  • So it's great to sit with you.
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  • Thank you so much for coming on the rosenberg report again.
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  • Well, joel, thanks for having me on and welcome to indiana.
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  • Thank you. it's great to see you again.
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  • I think you know how much,
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  • I admire you and appreciate your voice,
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  • For america and for our most cherished ally,
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  • Israel in particular.
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  • And congratulations on the new book.
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  • Well, i appreciate it. thank you.
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  • And i've got his and her copies for you and,
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  • And, karen, i'll give you those at lunch.
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  • The last time we saw each other was in jerusalem.
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  • You were on the the rosenberg report.
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  • You you spoke at a local congregation of believers,
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  • And you and you met with the prime minister and,
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  • A time of solidarity with israel.
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  • I think this was in january last year, last january,
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  • Just not that long after the october 7th, attacks.
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  • Thank you for your solidarity with israel.
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  • I thought it was important to be there, the
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  • To see just a few months after that horrific attack
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  • By hamas on october the 7th, to walk through,
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  • Cover us on and other and other kibbutz communities
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  • That had been so beset was just heart wrenching, for me.
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  • And the war that ensued,
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  • The, the justified war that israel
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  • Has waged against hamas in gaza, that continues to some extent,
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  • As we sit here at this recording, today,
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  • I thought it was extremely important,
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  • For me as a former elected official,
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  • But also just as an everyday american,
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  • To be there to reassure the people of israel that,
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  • If the world knows nothing else, the world needs to know this.
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  • America stands with israel and we will continue
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  • To stand with israel until, hamas is utterly destroyed.
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  • And the threat
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  • To the jewish people and to the state of israel
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  • Is ended once and for all.
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  • Well, thank you that you were at that point,
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  • The highest, immediately former but highest
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  • Ranking american official that had come at that point,
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  • Former secretary of state, of course, mike pompeo came next
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  • And nikki haley came after.
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  • And then and then more and more senators have come.
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  • And we're very, very grateful for that.
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  • Let█s talk about china.
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  • You know, you've met xi jinping.
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  • You spent time with them face to face.
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  • When we talk about the china threat
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  • And what i've written about fictionally in the beijing
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  • Betrayal, let's pray to god that never comes true.
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  • Let's talk about reality.
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  • Who is xi jinping and why should americans
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  • Be so concerned about where he's leading communist china today?
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  • Well,
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  • Xi jinping is the authoritarian,
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  • A dictator of china.
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  • And, i believe that he and the chinese communist party,
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  • Have, have broad ambitions to extend
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  • China's influence across the asia pacific.
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  • We've seen over the last ten years, literally,
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  • The construction of islands and then military bases
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  • On what were coral reefs in the south china sea.
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  • There been a disruption of freedom of navigation.
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  • There's been the ongoing menacing behavior of china
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  • Toward taiwan.
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  • But to some extent also,
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  • You know, with regard to, japanese and u.s.
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  • Presence on the seven seas, we've,
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  • We've one incident after another.
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  • It's all sending a message that china is interested
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  • In extending, what,
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  • What policy leaders call hegemony.
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  • It's their influence over the wider asia pacific.
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  • American supremacy in the pacific to, for starters,
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  • To be over.
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  • Communist china under jinping wants to be in charge.
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  • Well, i will tell you that when i met him in 2018,
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  • In papua new guinea,
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  • It was shortly after we'd
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  • Announced our new policy toward china. yeah.
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  • How did he respond?
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  • Well, i gave a very tough speech at the conference.
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  • He gave a very tough speech.
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  • He spoke in, i remember, joel, he spoken in very general terms
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  • About, nations should not seek to,
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  • To, impose their will.
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  • On exactly what he's doing. region.
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  • Right. exactly.
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  • Referring to us. right.
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  • But, you know, when you think about the history
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  • Of the united states in the asia pacific, you think of the
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  • The blood bought gains,
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  • For freedom that the american soldiers and sailors, airmen and
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  • Marines won.
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  • The relationships that we have,
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  • Literally from the philippines to australia to, south korea,
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  • To japan, to, taiwan,
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  • I think now more than ever,
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  • We need leadership in washington, dc
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  • That makes it clear
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  • That the united states is is going to continue to stand
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  • Strong across the asia pacific.
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  • And i say that believing that that's also the pathway to
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  • Peace.
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  • Yeah, i've long believed that weakness arouses evil.
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  • And that to the extent that,
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  • Under the biden administration, we literally saw,
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  • After inflation, we saw a reduction in military
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  • Spending at a time when when china was dropping
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  • A new battleship, in the ocean about every month and,
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  • And now building up their submarine fleet.
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  • Coming up next.
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  • And the rosenberg report,
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  • Why did former vice president mike pence recently
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  • Make his first ever visit to the democratic island of taiwan?
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  • What did he learn from taiwan's newly elected president?
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  • And just how catastrophic does he believe
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  • It would be for america, our pacific allies,
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  • And for israel if communist chinese leaders
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  • Jinping were to order a sudden invasion of taiwan?
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  • Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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  • Right after the break.
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  • Right after the break.
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  • You know, one of the things
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  • I'm probably most proud of the trump-pence administration
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  • Was that we changed the national consensus on china.
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  • You certainly did.
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  • You know.
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  • Literally for 20 years, america had essentially
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  • Taken the view on both sides of the aisle that,
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  • The more we engaged in economic exchange,
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  • The more we engaged in cultural engagement
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  • With the chinese communist party,
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  • That we would see,
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  • Liberalization in china, we'd see
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  • The advent of religious liberty or basic freedom,
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  • Private property.
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  • And this goes back all the way back to president
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  • Nixon opening that door to china.
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  • It does.
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  • That was the whole.
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  • But to his credit, what president trump observed,
  • 00:10:48.071 --> 00:10:51.308
  • Was that, as we were,
  • 00:10:51.808 --> 00:10:55.445
  • Engaging in more commerce with china,
  • 00:10:55.445 --> 00:10:57.814
  • Actually, the opposite happened.
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  • China became more authoritarian,
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  • Investing more in its military, engaging
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  • In more military provocations in the region.
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  • And in the wake of of literally decades
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  • Of trade abuses, intellectual property theft
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  • And an appalling human rights record, particularly with regard
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  • To religious minorities like muslim uygurs and the like.
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  • In concentration camps.
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  • And christian pastors.
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  • We announced sometime in 2018 that
  • 00:11:24.941 --> 00:11:29.846
  • At the president's direction
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  • That we would take a new approach to china,
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  • That we would we were investing,
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  • Heavily in rebuilding our military.
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  • We were strengthening our relationship with our allies
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  • In the region.
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  • We were speaking as
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  • Would eventually be.
  • 00:11:47.330 --> 00:11:48.165
  • Secretary of state mike pompeo did,
  • 00:11:48.165 --> 00:11:51.001
  • In clear moral terms about the persecution
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  • Of the uyghur muslim population, in china.
  • 00:11:54.070 --> 00:11:57.841
  • And at the end of the day, we essentially said,
  • 00:11:57.841 --> 00:12:01.311
  • The days of simply looking the other way,
  • 00:12:02.145 --> 00:12:05.215
  • To all of those provocations and abuses was over.
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  • You were just in taiwan.
  • 00:12:08.318 --> 00:12:10.153
  • Of all the countries you've traveled to,
  • 00:12:10.153 --> 00:12:11.555
  • You've never actually been there as a member of the house,
  • 00:12:11.555 --> 00:12:14.391
  • As a governor of indiana, or as vice president.
  • 00:12:14.391 --> 00:12:17.494
  • But you went
  • 00:12:17.494 --> 00:12:18.295
  • Why did you go
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  • And take us into your meeting with president lai?
  • 00:12:19.529 --> 00:12:22.599
  • This is actually a high stakes moment.
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  • The head of the indo-pacific command, us command,
  • 00:12:24.668 --> 00:12:27.838
  • Just recently said, in fact, shannon bream on fox was asking
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  • You about it.
  • 00:12:31.141 --> 00:12:32.309
  • Like the chinese navy and military
  • 00:12:33.076 --> 00:12:35.645
  • Seem to be in a dress rehearsal for an invasion of taiwan.
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  • Not just sort of a general exercise.
  • 00:12:39.015 --> 00:12:40.750
  • So why do you go? what did you hear?
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  • What did you say?
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  • Yeah. joel. thanks.
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  • I had the opportunity to speak in singapore and in
  • 00:12:45.288 --> 00:12:49.226
  • Hong kong and on my way home, i thought it was important,
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  • For us to be wheels down in taipei and in taiwan.
  • 00:12:53.697 --> 00:12:57.500
  • You know, we have a we have a long standing policy of
  • 00:12:57.500 --> 00:13:02.305
  • One china policy.
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  • It's a strategic ambiguity when it comes to the question
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  • Of taiwanese independence.
  • 00:13:06.910 --> 00:13:09.980
  • But for decades, literally, since the end of world war two,
  • 00:13:09.980 --> 00:13:14.150
  • We have stood for the principle of a free and democratic
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  • Taiwan. amen. and, ever we should,
  • 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:21.091
  • I think it's an
  • 00:13:21.091 --> 00:13:23.960
  • Enormously important time right now.
  • 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:27.130
  • And i was i was pleased to see,
  • 00:13:27.130 --> 00:13:29.566
  • The new trump administration recently,
  • 00:13:29.566 --> 00:13:31.835
  • With congress support,
  • 00:13:31.835 --> 00:13:34.704
  • Redoubling and hastening
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  • The delivery of military resources for taiwan.
  • 00:13:36.172 --> 00:13:39.609
  • We should take the view of taiwan that we've
  • 00:13:39.609 --> 00:13:42.512
  • We've taken with israel, which is giving taiwan
  • 00:13:42.512 --> 00:13:44.748
  • The ability to defend herself by herself. and,
  • 00:13:44.748 --> 00:13:48.385
  • And it's important from my standpoint,
  • 00:13:49.219 --> 00:13:51.154
  • That people understand the importance of taiwan.
  • 00:13:51.154 --> 00:13:54.524
  • I know that it's on the other side of the world,
  • 00:13:54.524 --> 00:13:56.826
  • And many americans might wonder why it matters, but
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  • It was general douglas macarthur in the aftermath
  • 00:14:01.464 --> 00:14:04.034
  • Of the second world war
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  • Who referred to taiwan, then known as formosa,
  • 00:14:05.068 --> 00:14:08.505
  • As the linchpin of the asia pacific.
  • 00:14:08.505 --> 00:14:11.508
  • He spoke about how the japanese military in world war two
  • 00:14:11.508 --> 00:14:14.511
  • Literally used taiwan as a launching pad to go
  • 00:14:14.511 --> 00:14:19.049
  • North and south and east in the asia pacific.
  • 00:14:19.049 --> 00:14:23.486
  • And but for the courage of our american armed
  • 00:14:23.486 --> 00:14:25.855
  • Forces would have dominated and prevailed in the region.
  • 00:14:25.855 --> 00:14:30.126
  • And so, number one, it's strategically important.
  • 00:14:30.126 --> 00:14:32.362
  • Number two, in other words, if you lose taiwan,
  • 00:14:32.362 --> 00:14:35.332
  • Americans can say that's just an island.
  • 00:14:35.332 --> 00:14:36.733
  • What are we but you you lose a foothold
  • 00:14:36.733 --> 00:14:40.337
  • Very close to a major enemy.
  • 00:14:40.937 --> 00:14:42.939
  • While you lose an enormous foothold
  • 00:14:42.939 --> 00:14:44.441
  • That is that literally is a linchpin,
  • 00:14:44.441 --> 00:14:47.210
  • Between between your critical allies
  • 00:14:47.210 --> 00:14:50.046
  • Ranging down to australia and up, to japan.
  • 00:14:50.046 --> 00:14:53.817
  • But it's more profound than that
  • 00:14:53.817 --> 00:14:55.418
  • If if the united states was to abandon a taiwan.
  • 00:14:55.418 --> 00:14:58.822
  • I believe that it would, undermine
  • 00:14:59.589 --> 00:15:02.959
  • The confidence of our allies in the region
  • 00:15:02.959 --> 00:15:05.962
  • About america keeping our word as our allies that
  • 00:15:05.962 --> 00:15:11.001
  • And i think, as i said, when i was in taipei,
  • 00:15:11.001 --> 00:15:14.270
  • I think it's very likely that it would initiate
  • 00:15:14.270 --> 00:15:16.573
  • A nuclear arms race in the asia pacific
  • 00:15:16.573 --> 00:15:19.242
  • Where you would you would have countries like,
  • 00:15:19.242 --> 00:15:22.379
  • Like japan, like, south korea, like australia.
  • 00:15:22.379 --> 00:15:26.082
  • That would come to the conclusion
  • 00:15:26.082 --> 00:15:27.417
  • That the united states was not a reliable partner.
  • 00:15:27.417 --> 00:15:31.187
  • And therefore, they would they'd have to move,
  • 00:15:31.187 --> 00:15:34.657
  • Into strategic weaponry of their own, a nuclear weapon.
  • 00:15:34.657 --> 00:15:38.094
  • It's the last thing that we would want, is an is,
  • 00:15:38.094 --> 00:15:42.232
  • Is an expansion of of nuclear resources.
  • 00:15:42.232 --> 00:15:45.135
  • And rattling,
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  • Our pacific allies
  • 00:15:47.270 --> 00:15:48.671
  • Is going to have an effect globally, obviously, in europe.
  • 00:15:48.671 --> 00:15:52.242
  • But israel, israel's watching. we are a small country.
  • 00:15:52.242 --> 00:15:54.778
  • We're facing the iranian threat from seven fronts.
  • 00:15:54.778 --> 00:15:57.580
  • Right.
  • 00:15:57.580 --> 00:15:58.415
  • If israel sees, any administration,
  • 00:15:58.415 --> 00:16:01.785
  • This administration or a future administration
  • 00:16:01.785 --> 00:16:03.953
  • Abandoned or effectively abandoned
  • 00:16:03.953 --> 00:16:06.122
  • And open the door to abandoned taiwan,
  • 00:16:06.122 --> 00:16:09.926
  • Israelis are going to be rattled to our core.
  • 00:16:09.926 --> 00:16:12.495
  • Well, and look, i,
  • 00:16:12.495 --> 00:16:15.231
  • The president trump i served with is no isolationist.
  • 00:16:15.231 --> 00:16:18.601
  • But the american people deserve to know
  • 00:16:19.402 --> 00:16:21.171
  • That there are many voices of a new isolationism
  • 00:16:21.171 --> 00:16:25.175
  • In and around the president, in
  • 00:16:25.175 --> 00:16:26.843
  • And outside of the administration, people
  • 00:16:26.843 --> 00:16:28.611
  • Who would have cut off our funding,
  • 00:16:28.611 --> 00:16:31.548
  • To the ukrainian military.
  • 00:16:31.548 --> 00:16:33.483
  • There are those that say that taiwan,
  • 00:16:33.483 --> 00:16:36.820
  • Is not of strategic importance to the united states.
  • 00:16:36.820 --> 00:16:40.790
  • And candidly, as you well know, there are voices, in
  • 00:16:40.790 --> 00:16:43.960
  • And around this administration that advocate,
  • 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:46.596
  • Ending military support, for israel.
  • 00:16:46.596 --> 00:16:49.299
  • And so i think it's enormously important to your point that we
  • 00:16:49.299 --> 00:16:53.136
  • We send a clear message
  • 00:16:53.136 --> 00:16:54.471
  • That america is the leader of the free world,
  • 00:16:54.471 --> 00:16:56.973
  • That we will keep our promises, that we will give
  • 00:16:56.973 --> 00:17:00.643
  • We will we will give president lai,
  • 00:17:00.643 --> 00:17:03.913
  • And the leadership in taiwan, the support they need
  • 00:17:03.913 --> 00:17:07.150
  • To serve as a deterrence to war.
  • 00:17:07.150 --> 00:17:09.886
  • The reality
  • 00:17:10.220 --> 00:17:10.987
  • Is that i think that
  • 00:17:10.987 --> 00:17:14.057
  • If we were to signal anything less,
  • 00:17:14.057 --> 00:17:17.527
  • Than an ongoing commitment to the status quo
  • 00:17:17.527 --> 00:17:19.896
  • And extremely important to make that point,
  • 00:17:19.896 --> 00:17:22.765
  • I said this when i was in taipei, it's
  • 00:17:22.765 --> 00:17:25.535
  • President xi and the chinese communist party,
  • 00:17:25.535 --> 00:17:29.139
  • That is signaling a desire to change the status quo.
  • 00:17:29.139 --> 00:17:32.675
  • They're trying to force
  • 00:17:32.675 --> 00:17:34.277
  • Economically, diplomatically, militarily,
  • 00:17:34.277 --> 00:17:36.379
  • Taiwan to essentially abandon democracy and
  • 00:17:36.379 --> 00:17:39.249
  • And follow the route of hong kong and sort of being.
  • 00:17:39.249 --> 00:17:42.085
  • That's right.
  • 00:17:42.085 --> 00:17:43.052
  • Brought back into the communist china orbit.
  • 00:17:43.052 --> 00:17:45.788
  • And and they're putting so much pressure that's change.
  • 00:17:45.788 --> 00:17:48.024
  • That's that's an effort to change the status quo.
  • 00:17:48.024 --> 00:17:50.226
  • That it is.
  • 00:17:50.226 --> 00:17:51.094
  • And, and this is,
  • 00:17:51.094 --> 00:17:53.029
  • You know, number one,
  • 00:17:53.029 --> 00:17:53.997
  • It's important to our alliances in the region.
  • 00:17:53.997 --> 00:17:55.532
  • I think it's important to security in the region.
  • 00:17:55.532 --> 00:17:57.300
  • There's also
  • 00:17:57.300 --> 00:17:58.434
  • An economic element, 90% of the microchips in the world
  • 00:17:58.434 --> 00:18:01.337
  • Are manufactured in taiwan.
  • 00:18:01.337 --> 00:18:03.840
  • And make no mistake about it,
  • 00:18:03.840 --> 00:18:05.575
  • The chinese communist party would like control.
  • 00:18:05.575 --> 00:18:08.211
  • Sure.
  • 00:18:08.211 --> 00:18:09.279
  • Over the production of microchips in the world.
  • 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:11.714
  • Some some of actually speculated, that,
  • 00:18:11.714 --> 00:18:15.518
  • There would be a, 5 to 10% hit on global gdp
  • 00:18:15.518 --> 00:18:19.522
  • If they were to arrest access to microchip technology,
  • 00:18:19.522 --> 00:18:23.760
  • To the west for any period of time.
  • 00:18:23.760 --> 00:18:26.429
  • And so i think it's
  • 00:18:26.429 --> 00:18:27.163
  • It's in our economic interests,
  • 00:18:27.163 --> 00:18:28.698
  • It's in our strategic interests,
  • 00:18:28.698 --> 00:18:30.200
  • And it's our national security interests.
  • 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:31.868
  • Now, i will say i'm encouraged, when i when i see decisions,
  • 00:18:31.868 --> 00:18:36.606
  • That,
  • 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:38.007
  • That president trump is making and his national security
  • 00:18:38.007 --> 00:18:40.710
  • Team is making to. okay, that's good to point out.
  • 00:18:40.710 --> 00:18:42.712
  • Make it clear, you did say in the fall you were concerned
  • 00:18:42.712 --> 00:18:46.516
  • Last fall,
  • 00:18:46.816 --> 00:18:47.817
  • You were concerned by some of the statements
  • 00:18:47.817 --> 00:18:48.985
  • That president trump made.
  • 00:18:48.985 --> 00:18:50.186
  • President biden,
  • 00:18:50.186 --> 00:18:51.854
  • Had surprised everybody by going further than normal right past
  • 00:18:51.854 --> 00:18:55.925
  • Presidents to say that he would defend taiwan in an attack.
  • 00:18:55.925 --> 00:18:58.995
  • President trump seems to seem to be signaling either he was
  • 00:18:58.995 --> 00:19:01.864
  • Maybe he was doing it for a bargaining position,
  • 00:19:01.864 --> 00:19:04.100
  • I don't know.
  • 00:19:04.100 --> 00:19:05.201
  • But he was is suggesting that that's a little far.
  • 00:19:05.201 --> 00:19:07.503
  • I don't know if that's our main thing.
  • 00:19:07.503 --> 00:19:09.272
  • They're not spending that much money enough anyway.
  • 00:19:09.272 --> 00:19:11.874
  • And you had raised some concerns had you not. did,
  • 00:19:11.874 --> 00:19:15.979
  • When, as a candidate,
  • 00:19:16.479 --> 00:19:18.348
  • The former president, said that taiwan was 6000 miles away.
  • 00:19:18.348 --> 00:19:22.218
  • Well, so's israel.
  • 00:19:22.218 --> 00:19:24.087
  • I mean, this it's about what our strategic interests
  • 00:19:24.087 --> 00:19:27.090
  • Are, and it's about america keeping its word.
  • 00:19:27.090 --> 00:19:30.159
  • That being said,
  • 00:19:30.159 --> 00:19:31.427
  • I know president trump better than his most ardent defenders.
  • 00:19:31.427 --> 00:19:35.231
  • And i've been encouraged by the actions taken by the new
  • 00:19:35.231 --> 00:19:38.868
  • Trump administration, providing that military support.
  • 00:19:38.868 --> 00:19:42.171
  • When i met with president xi at papua new guinea,
  • 00:19:42.171 --> 00:19:45.775
  • I delivered two messages to him from president trump.
  • 00:19:45.775 --> 00:19:48.378
  • Okay.
  • 00:19:48.378 --> 00:19:49.345
  • And, one was, reflective of the relationship
  • 00:19:49.345 --> 00:19:52.849
  • The president developed with him, which is a source of,
  • 00:19:52.849 --> 00:19:56.019
  • I think, great opportunity for our nation.
  • 00:19:56.019 --> 00:19:59.355
  • The president wanted me to tell
  • 00:19:59.355 --> 00:20:01.224
  • President xi that, he liked him very much.
  • 00:20:01.224 --> 00:20:05.161
  • And president xi responded,
  • 00:20:05.161 --> 00:20:06.829
  • Softened and said, i well, i like him very much.
  • 00:20:07.830 --> 00:20:11.301
  • But then after a banquet was over,
  • 00:20:11.301 --> 00:20:12.802
  • He came up to me and he president,
  • 00:20:12.802 --> 00:20:14.270
  • You said you told me you had two messages from president trump.
  • 00:20:14.270 --> 00:20:17.340
  • He was listening.
  • 00:20:17.340 --> 00:20:18.808
  • And and you.
  • 00:20:18.808 --> 00:20:19.475
  • Purposely held that one back.
  • 00:20:19.475 --> 00:20:21.577
  • Well, we'd gotten interrupted earlier. okay.
  • 00:20:21.577 --> 00:20:23.546
  • But i looked at him and i said,
  • 00:20:23.546 --> 00:20:26.015
  • They were meeting in argentina a month later,
  • 00:20:26.015 --> 00:20:28.084
  • And i said, the president said, you need to open your markets.
  • 00:20:28.084 --> 00:20:32.255
  • President xi looked back at me and said, dialog is good.
  • 00:20:32.255 --> 00:20:35.925
  • Okay.
  • 00:20:36.159 --> 00:20:37.160
  • So i think there's a mutual respect,
  • 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:40.430
  • Which may not have been true under the biden administration.
  • 00:20:40.430 --> 00:20:44.033
  • There is a mutual respect,
  • 00:20:44.033 --> 00:20:46.869
  • Between,
  • 00:20:46.869 --> 00:20:48.738
  • President of the united states and the president of china.
  • 00:20:48.738 --> 00:20:50.973
  • I think that creates an opportunity for dialog.
  • 00:20:50.973 --> 00:20:53.543
  • But what i learned, joel,
  • 00:20:53.543 --> 00:20:55.244
  • During my years
  • 00:20:55.244 --> 00:20:56.446
  • Traveling the world representing the united states is world
  • 00:20:56.446 --> 00:20:59.282
  • Leaders really don't care what you say.
  • 00:20:59.282 --> 00:21:01.184
  • They don't even care what you tweet.
  • 00:21:01.984 --> 00:21:04.754
  • They care what you do.
  • 00:21:04.754 --> 00:21:05.788
  • Okay?
  • 00:21:05.788 --> 00:21:06.756
  • And, there's never been a more important time.
  • 00:21:06.756 --> 00:21:10.693
  • And i'm confident president trump will act this out
  • 00:21:10.693 --> 00:21:13.062
  • With the congress for us
  • 00:21:13.062 --> 00:21:14.697
  • To redouble our commitment to our national defense,
  • 00:21:14.697 --> 00:21:18.000
  • To our treaty allies from the middle east
  • 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.970
  • To the asia pacific, to eastern europe.
  • 00:21:20.970 --> 00:21:23.339
  • We show strength and we'll have a peaceful and stable future
  • 00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:27.143
  • For the free world.
  • 00:21:27.143 --> 00:21:29.078
  • Coming up next on the rosenberg report,
  • 00:21:29.078 --> 00:21:31.647
  • What were the most important and sobering things
  • 00:21:31.647 --> 00:21:34.384
  • That former vice president
  • 00:21:34.384 --> 00:21:35.651
  • Mike pence told me about the communist chinese threat
  • 00:21:35.651 --> 00:21:39.389
  • In the several hours we spent together?
  • 00:21:39.389 --> 00:21:41.758
  • And what are the critical issues concerning u.s.
  • 00:21:41.758 --> 00:21:44.560
  • And israeli national security
  • 00:21:44.560 --> 00:21:46.529
  • That we're going to cover next week?
  • 00:21:46.529 --> 00:21:47.864
  • In part two of my exclusive interview,
  • 00:21:47.864 --> 00:21:50.533
  • Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
  • 00:21:50.533 --> 00:21:54.337
  • Right after the break.
  • 00:21:54.337 --> 00:21:57.003
  • Right after the break.
  • 00:21:57.003 --> 00:22:00.511
  • What a fascinating conversation.
  • 00:22:01.145 --> 00:22:02.613
  • Again, the opportunity to sit down with
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  • Someone who's been in the room.
  • 00:22:04.748 --> 00:22:06.683
  • You know, it's one thing to talk to,
  • 00:22:06.683 --> 00:22:08.652
  • Political analysts and, foreign policy experts.
  • 00:22:08.652 --> 00:22:12.356
  • I do that, and i love that.
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  • But when you can sit down with someone who knows
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  • Jinping, who's looked at them in his eye
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  • And negotiated with him on behalf of president trump,
  • 00:22:19.129 --> 00:22:21.565
  • That's a rare opportunity to have a chance to do that.
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  • And what i got from this conversation,
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  • Just a few of my takeaways, is that,
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  • Mike pence is definitely raising the alarm bell,
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  • That communist china is a very dangerous threat.
  • 00:22:33.477 --> 00:22:37.080
  • Now, mike pence has a very calm,
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  • Evangelical midwestern way, right?
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  • You you don't see in his in his emotion.
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  • You don't see emotion in him.
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  • He's not, you know, hysterical
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  • About the communist china threat.
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  • But but when you listen to what he's saying
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  • And the depth of insight and experience he has, he's
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  • Actually he was praising
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  • President trump for having a strong and effective
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  • Policy towards communist china coming into the second term.
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  • That's important
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  • Because when you think of the trump pence disagreeing moments
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  • Over the 2020 election, and then you might think, well,
  • 00:23:10.747 --> 00:23:14.918
  • Maybe mike pence, you know, has is critical of president
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  • Trump on everything, not on china.
  • 00:23:19.056 --> 00:23:22.159
  • Pence is saying that trump is doing a good job,
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  • But the stakes are very, very high.
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  • I mean, he could not have been clear
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  • Of the catastrophe to american interests
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  • If china were to attack and try to invade and devour.
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  • The democratic island of taiwan.
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  • So this is that was very important
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  • And an important takeaway.
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  • I also thought it was very interesting.
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  • To have the opportunity to sit down
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  • With, the former vice president,
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  • Just as he's been to taiwan for his first time,
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  • Just as he's met with president lai
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  • That fairly newly, elected democratic leader of taiwan.
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  • And, and and to hear what he said to,
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  • The, the president of taiwan and and and again, how,
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  • The the former vice
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  • President mike pence, is assessing,
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  • Taiwan's readiness for this conflict and how important it is
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  • That the united states stand strongly with taiwan.
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  • I'm really grateful, but we but that's
  • 00:24:19.449 --> 00:24:21.585
  • We're just getting started.
  • 00:24:21.585 --> 00:24:22.553
  • The conversation
  • 00:24:22.553 --> 00:24:23.687
  • We were going to get into next week, goes even further.
  • 00:24:23.687 --> 00:24:26.990
  • Again, it's very rare that you have an opportunity
  • 00:24:26.990 --> 00:24:29.293
  • To sit down with someone who knows
  • 00:24:29.293 --> 00:24:30.861
  • Vladimir putin,
  • 00:24:30.861 --> 00:24:31.795
  • Who's been in the room with vladimir putin,
  • 00:24:31.795 --> 00:24:33.463
  • Who's negotiated with vladimir putin.
  • 00:24:33.463 --> 00:24:35.532
  • And mike pence has been there as the former vice
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  • President of the united states.
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  • We're going to talk about how he assesses, czar putin.
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  • That's my description.
  • 00:24:44.641 --> 00:24:45.709
  • Not, not mike pence's, my description of, of vladimir
  • 00:24:45.709 --> 00:24:49.746
  • Putin is that he's that he's a czar, that he's a mafia thug.
  • 00:24:49.746 --> 00:24:53.450
  • He just happens to be a nuclear armed mafia thug.
  • 00:24:53.450 --> 00:24:57.154
  • He's incredibly dangerous.
  • 00:24:57.154 --> 00:24:58.388
  • But we'll get mike pence's take next week.
  • 00:24:58.388 --> 00:25:00.791
  • And also,
  • 00:25:00.791 --> 00:25:02.192
  • You know, pence also knows vladimir zelensky very well.
  • 00:25:02.192 --> 00:25:04.928
  • He observed how that meeting,
  • 00:25:04.928 --> 00:25:07.397
  • Went between president trump and vladimir
  • 00:25:07.397 --> 00:25:09.266
  • Zelensky in the oval office did not go well, in my view.
  • 00:25:09.266 --> 00:25:12.669
  • You'll get,
  • 00:25:12.669 --> 00:25:13.870
  • Pence's take next week and kind of where should we be going?
  • 00:25:13.870 --> 00:25:17.441
  • How should we be trying
  • 00:25:17.441 --> 00:25:18.809
  • To resolve and bring peace
  • 00:25:18.809 --> 00:25:20.410
  • And security back to europe and how should president trump,
  • 00:25:20.410 --> 00:25:25.549
  • Interact with zelensky?
  • 00:25:26.049 --> 00:25:28.785
  • And, and try to bring about
  • 00:25:28.785 --> 00:25:31.054
  • A peaceful conclusion without rewarding
  • 00:25:31.054 --> 00:25:34.224
  • Czar putin,
  • 00:25:34.558 --> 00:25:35.626
  • All of that we're going to be talking about next week.
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  • But for now, that is our show.
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  • We are going to win in gaza.
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  • And, but it's it's not easy.
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  • And we need your prayers to get all every hostage out
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  • And to bring a true and final victory,
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  • Not just a conclusion, but victory in gaza.
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  • Thank you so much for watching.
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  • Don't miss next week's show because we go deeper
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  • In this conversation with mike pence.
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  • I just want to wish you and your family
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  • A wonderful week as you walk with the lord, as you encourage
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  • One another, as you love your neighbor as yourself.
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  • Care for those who are less fortunate,
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  • And pray for the peace of jerusalem
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  • And invest in the work of the kingdom
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  • In israel and among its neighbors.
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  • Until then, god bless you.
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  • I'll see you next week right here on the rosenberg report.
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