Joel Rosenberg: Training Future Pastors | The Rosenberg Report

May 14, 2026 | 22:7

On this episode of The Rosenberg Report, Joel Rosenberg tours a seminary training future pastors.

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  • On the rosenberg report, we begin a new series,
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  • The discover series, as we discover exciting
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  • Christian ministries and godly ministry leaders in israel
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  • And the arab muslim world, advancing the kingdom of christ.
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  • I'll take you to an extraordinary
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  • Evangelical seminary in jordan that's training future pastors
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  • To share the gospel,
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  • Make disciples, preach the word, and shepherd the flock
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  • Throughout the middle east and north africa.
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  • It's a conversation on mount nebo with the founder
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  • Of the jordan evangelical theological seminary.
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  • And it all starts right here, right now on the rosenberg
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  • Report.
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  • God is moving so powerfully in the epicenter,
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  • Not just here in israel and not just in iran.
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  • We're actually in iran.
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  • Millions of muslims are leaving islam
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  • And coming to faith in jesus christ.
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  • I love that, and we're going to be talking
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  • More about that in the weeks and months ahead.
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  • But god is also moving in the arab world.
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  • And tonight i want to begin a new series,
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  • A series called discover.
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  • I want to take you inside a series of ministries
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  • In israel, in the arab world and in the iranian world,
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  • So you can discover what god is doing
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  • And how he's raising up all kinds
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  • Of very interesting leaders to preach the gospel,
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  • Make disciples,
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  • Train and encourage other pastors and ministry
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  • Leaders, and raise up future leaders
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  • To advance the kingdom of jesus christ
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  • Right here in in the epicenter in the middle east.
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  • Now, tonight, we're going to take you into jordan.
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  • Recently, i went to the kingdom of jordan and spent time
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  • With a wonderful friend of mine, doctor imad shehadeh.
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  • Doctor is the founder and the president of jets,
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  • The jordanian evangelical theological seminary.
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  • It's an amazing institution that's training
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  • Future pastors and ministry leaders.
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  • They train them in jordan, in amman, jordan, in the capital
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  • And then deploy them all over the all over
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  • The region, all over the world.
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  • It is not easy work.
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  • There are lots of challenges, lots of reasons
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  • To be praying for this ministry.
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  • But i want you to see it.
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  • I want you to
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  • Hear the heart of doctor and what god is doing to train
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  • Future pastors and ministry leaders in the arab world today.
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  • Let's go discover jets.
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  • Doctor, thank you so much.
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  • For spending time on the rosenberg report.
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  • Why don't you begin with your passion for teaching the bible
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  • To christian students from jordan,
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  • But from all over the region?
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  • At the jordanian evangelical theological seminary,
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  • You call it jets.
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  • Talk to me about your passion for teaching the scriptures.
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  • Well, of course i came to know the lord in the us and
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  • And then went to seminary in the us, the dallas theological.
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  • But you were born and raised here.
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  • I'm born and raised.
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  • I'm a jordanian, fully fledged jordanian, and
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  • With a passion and a burden to train
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  • Men and women for ministry.
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  • And that was really the cry of the leadership
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  • In the whole middle east country.
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  • So we started the seminary about 35 years ago. wow.
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  • Which is an amazing story of god answering prayer.
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  • I was curious to know from which countries
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  • Around the arab world students are coming to study at jets.
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  • They come from mostly north africa.
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  • Okay.
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  • That would be mostly egypt, sudan, south sudan
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  • And then iraq, syria, lebanon
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  • And then other countries further away like morocco,
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  • Algeria, yemen, the emirates, as much as we can,
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  • As much as we're allowed. you know.
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  • I was also curious to know what percentage of the students
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  • At jets are actually jordanian citizens themselves about.
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  • At the most, 30% would be jordanians.
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  • And now we've really saturated jordan.
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  • About 70% of leadership
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  • Of the churches in jordan are graduates of jets. wow.
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  • And we have graduates in 26 countries.
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  • Okay.
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  • And we just it's amazing to watch them come.
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  • And they have all sorts of ideas that they've gotten raised.
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  • When they were raised up like i was,
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  • All i heard was the majority religion did not go to church,
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  • Although i'm from an orthodox, greek orthodox background.
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  • But then they come to us with these, this worldview
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  • And it's wonderful to watch them just respect the scripture
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  • As inspired texts from god and learn
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  • Principles of sound hermeneutics and just respect inspired text
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  • And try to understand how it all fits together.
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  • It was so encouraging to me to learn that 70%
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  • Of the evangelical churches in jordan are pastored by jets
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  • Graduates. that's amazing.
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  • And that they have graduates serving the lord in 26
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  • Arab countries. praise god, that was amazing.
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  • So i asked doctor
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  • How christian young people in the region
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  • Know about the seminary
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  • And why do they come if they're not from jordan?
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  • Well, it's been really by word of mouth.
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  • Okay, so we've had success with the first team of graduates,
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  • And then they tell others and we've not had a problem
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  • Of applicants.
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  • So but we accept so many and so many get in
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  • Because we're not allowed unlimited numbers.
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  • So we have to be careful with that.
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  • So it's been it's been that way.
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  • So the seminary is known now
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  • And throughout the middle east and north africa.
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  • We were meeting in a museum on mount nebo
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  • Overlooking the jordan valley.
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  • What a cool place to run a bible seminary in a country
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  • That has such biblical, historic places like mountain nebo.
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  • So i had to ask doctor to share with us
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  • Some of what he and his
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  • Colleagues teach the students about the biblical history
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  • Of jordan.
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  • Jordan, of course, has a history.
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  • You know, we have the tent city, the decapolis in jordan.
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  • We have petra and jordan.
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  • We have just
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  • Some of the biblical history
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  • Of the israelites coming through the jordan.
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  • Exactly.
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  • Yes. we have the baptismal site.
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  • Of course,
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  • There's disagreement on which side of the jordan was.
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  • Right.
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  • Well, he was baptized in the middle.
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  • He was in the river.
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  • But now, obviously, teaching israel's
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  • Biblical history
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  • Is a very sensitive issue in the arab muslim world
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  • And certainly in jordan and certainly during wartime.
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  • But i noted that
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  • The jordanian government has venerated and built museums,
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  • Even church buildings, on a number of holy sites,
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  • Including right there on mount nebo,
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  • The very place where moses stood and looked
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  • Into israel, into the western half of the promised land.
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  • So i asked doctor,
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  • How the jordanian government in general approaches
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  • Such biblical sites,
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  • And the
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  • Whole question of christians who want to study and believe
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  • In the bible and christianity's relationship with jordan?
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  • Here's what he said. yes.
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  • And jordanian government with sites like this,
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  • They really want to encourage it,
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  • Encourage visitors and tourists to come.
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  • Another one like it is a baptismal
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  • We just spoke about,
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  • And jordan is getting ready to have a big event in 2030,
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  • Which would be what, 2000 years since jesus was baptized.
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  • So have a big event that would be inviting
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  • Tourists to come.
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  • And so churches
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  • Of the various denominations
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  • Are having trying to have a footprint
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  • Right there of some structure or church buildings
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  • At the baptismal site.
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  • Now, as you may know,
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  • Lynn and i have
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  • Had the great joy in honor of meeting jordan's monarch,
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  • His majesty king abdullah the second, a number of times.
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  • And we
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  • We have enormous respect for him, for his family, and for
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  • His wise and steady leadership over these many decades.
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  • And we were encouraged that a number of years ago,
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  • The king actually established a national park
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  • At the baptismal site,
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  • The very place where many historians
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  • And archeologists believe that john the baptist established
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  • His ministry and where he baptized jesus.
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  • There are, i believe, about a dozen church buildings
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  • Of various denominations
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  • That have been built there in recent years,
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  • And there's even a pavilion where born again evangelical
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  • Arab believers can baptize new believers
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  • By immersion in the jordan river today.
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  • It's amazing.
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  • Coming up
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  • Next on the rosenberg report, who is doctor imad shehadeh?
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  • How did he come to faith in jesus christ and why?
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  • For the past 35 years, has he invested his life in building
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  • A seminary in jordan to train and equip future
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  • Pastors and ministry leaders
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  • To preach the word and shepherd the flock
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  • Throughout the arab world?
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  • Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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  • Right after this break.
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  • Right after this break.
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  • I absolutely love what the jordanian evangelical
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  • Theological seminary jet is doing to teach the word
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  • Of god and train future pastors and ministry
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  • Leaders in the arab world to know the scriptures,
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  • First of all, from genesis to revelation,
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  • And to truly be able to preach the word and shepherd the flock.
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  • So i asked doctor, the founder and president of jets,
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  • To tell me more about his story
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  • And how god gave him a passion and a calling for this work.
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  • Well, i grew up, as i mentioned,
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  • As a greek orthodox, but i rarely went to church.
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  • You know,
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  • All i learned was islam and islamic history and so forth.
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  • That was my all i knew.
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  • And and it wasn't until i went to college in the,
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  • In the us, i was in medicine.
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  • I was pretty med student
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  • And going to med school went into med school.
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  • But then right there, somebody shared the gospel
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  • With me and this, this christ i knew
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  • About from the greek, or suddenly i know personally.
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  • And i grew very quickly in knowing
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  • He became the center of everything i did.
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  • So i and felt a calling.
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  • So i left medicine, went into theological education, and was.
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  • With what intent?
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  • What were you hoping
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  • Or what did you sense the lord was calling you to be?
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  • Or to do?
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  • You know when you have
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  • A burden on your heart that's biblical and stays there?
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  • It's an indication he wants you to follow that
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  • Burden, which was going back home, going back to jordan,
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  • To that middle east, to give them what i received.
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  • And i'm indebted to the u.s.
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  • Because not only did i know the lord in the us,
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  • But i was trained there, i was sent from there.
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  • I've been supported from there to do the work intimately,
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  • And it's been a marvelous story of so many backing us up
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  • To do this work. it's difficult.
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  • We've had so many times we were almost shut down.
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  • It's.
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  • But then we've been here 35 years, seeing god answered
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  • Prayers and continue in this work
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  • And watching the students just develop
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  • Conviction and vision for their countries and the
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  • Knowledge of the scripture,
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  • And balance and understanding the whole council of god.
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  • Knowing ministry issues, spiritual life matters,
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  • Marriage issues, and in addition to the whole bible.
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  • Now, i was especially curious to understand what are some of
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  • The challenges faced by incoming students to jets?
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  • What are their spiritual
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  • And intellectual needs coming into the seminary?
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  • Their worldview about god is so un-christian.
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  • Unbiblical? is that right there?
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  • Look at the scripture is so much mixed with a look like that.
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  • The truth is in between the lines.
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  • It's not the lines, it's not what's written.
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  • So you need to find
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  • What is god really saying in between the lines.
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  • So a lot of the
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  • Literal message is not conveyed because they're looking.
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  • And then that's colored so much by the political situation,
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  • The cultural situation.
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  • So there's some words they don't like in the scriptures.
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  • They don't like the word israel, for example.
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  • You know, they prophet passages on prophecy.
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  • What's going to happen in the future?
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  • Bible prophecy is not taught much in the church.
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  • You know.
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  • And, you know,
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  • You can see, of course, we we have to change the crisis.
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  • The center of all scripture is gospel.
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  • What he did for us, that's us.
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  • And he wants to bless all nations.
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  • But there's a history in there.
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  • Did not start suddenly out of nowhere.
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  • That's a real deep history.
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  • And that's,
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  • You know, we're called to believe
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  • Not just the new testament, but the old testament.
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  • And christ is not come to to negate moses.
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  • He came to establish moses and support moses.
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  • And so we have to believe
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  • The whole bible and to see them look at the bible and discover
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  • So much there that they have missed,
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  • You know, and to be freed from so much untruths
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  • Sometimes, sometimes bitterness, hatred
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  • That comes from politics, maybe even a victim mentality.
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  • You know, our problem is because of such a such a nation.
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  • And if it wasn't there, we would be much better off.
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  • And that kind of thinking and just watching them be stronger.
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  • Now, i learned that there are some very specific
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  • Biblical principles that jets professors seek to
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  • Impart into the students.
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  • One of them is the evangelical concept of solar scripture.
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  • So i asked doctor,
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  • What does this actually mean and why is it so important?
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  • Yeah, solid scripture, of course, is from the
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  • Reformation.
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  • One of the key words in the reformation.
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  • One of them is scripture alone, and it's the highest authority.
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  • It means we believe
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  • That it's inspired, and because it's
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  • Inspired, its inherent and because it's inspired,
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  • It's also has highest authority on all matters of life.
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  • So that's the starting point.
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  • Otherwise, where are we going to go for the final word?
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  • People look for a message that has authority.
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  • It has to come from somewhere that says this is the way it is.
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  • Throughout the gospels, it says that
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  • Jesus people were amazed
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  • That jesus taught with authority, right?
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  • Because he is the word of god.
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  • And how so?
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  • So yeah, souls of choice that it's not that there aren't
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  • Traditions or teachings that might might be helpful,
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  • But the question is, do they?
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  • The standard is, is the bible right?
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  • And that's that's how we test everything.
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  • Our young people coming into your seminary,
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  • Knowing that, believing that, or are they kind of fuzzy
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  • On some of those issues? they're pretty fuzzy.
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  • Yeah, they're they think maybe there is something outside
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  • The scriptures that has equal or some similar authority.
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  • Okay. like tradition.
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  • So some of the principles of, of sound hermeneutics
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  • Is to know the difference between figurative
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  • Interpretation and figurative expression.
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  • What does that mean?
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  • The bible is full
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  • Of figurative expressions like the mountains clap, joy.
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  • That means joy.
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  • You know i am the door.
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  • It's not a literal door.
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  • He's just saying he's the only way to.
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  • Yes, you know, and so on.
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  • These are beautiful ways
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  • To express a truth behind the expression.
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  • But figure interpretation would be different.
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  • It would be putting a meaning
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  • On the words that the words do not carry.
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  • For example, to say,
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  • Oh, mordecai was really the holy spirit,
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  • And esther was a church.
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  • And you know, like that, or the four men that lowered the
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  • The sick man in front of, you know, the four gospels.
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  • So you're putting a meaning
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  • To the words that the words do not carry these meanings.
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  • Okay.
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  • Coming up next on the rosenberg report, do arab churches
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  • Study and teach bible prophecy,
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  • Including the book of revelation?
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  • Why should they?
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  • And how does the jordan evangelical theological seminary
  • 00:16:04.221 --> 00:16:07.758
  • Prepare them to teach it well?
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  • Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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  • Right after this break.
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  • Right after this break.
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  • But what.
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  • About the book of revelation?
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  • Doctor has actually written an academic book in arabic,
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  • Teaching through the prophecies of revelation
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  • And helping students understand revelation.
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  • So i want to understand from him
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  • How much of the book of revelation is taught in the arab
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  • Church today, and what key points from that book do?
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  • Jets professors try to teach their students well.
  • 00:16:42.626 --> 00:16:45.496
  • You know, in the west, a lot of church,
  • 00:16:45.496 --> 00:16:47.898
  • They talk about how important it is
  • 00:16:47.898 --> 00:16:49.400
  • To study revelation, but they don't study it.
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  • So anyway,
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  • So it's a difficult book, not difficult
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  • Because it's difficult to understand.
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  • It's just different.
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  • And it's a kind of it really challenges your hermeneutic.
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  • Do you really believe it's inspired?
  • 00:17:02.246 --> 00:17:03.881
  • If you do, you stay there until you understand it.
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  • And once you stay at a difficult text
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  • And you stay there and stay there,
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  • Then it becomes clearer and clearer.
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  • So you have the
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  • You know, the first chapter is about god himself
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  • And about jesus, the revelation through christ and his his
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  • Vision of him.
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  • He saw him in his spiritual
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  • And some in his spirit and his glorified state.
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  • Then there's the letters to the seven churches in chapter
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  • Two and three, which is which speak of the state of the church
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  • Throughout history.
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  • And what it is
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  • Today is a description of the weaknesses of the church.
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  • But then it begins in chapter four and five were the vision
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  • Of heaven and what?
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  • What the plan of christ is for the future.
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  • Time when there would be
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  • An unprecedented time of tribulation.
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  • Okay.
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  • And that takes us from chapter 6 to 18
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  • Explaining that and judgments that are coming in.
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  • But then, you know, the thing
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  • Is, when you look at it, i found in doing that, really
  • 00:17:59.370 --> 00:18:03.174
  • The book of revelation is it's only 25% speaking about
  • 00:18:03.174 --> 00:18:07.044
  • Judgment and 75% talking about the attributes of god.
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  • The context is what god is like, what is he trying to do?
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  • And that climaxes in the second coming of christ,
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  • A glorious coming
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  • And establishing the promised kingdom,
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  • Which prepares for an eternal state
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  • In the new heaven and earth and the coming down of the
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  • Heavenly jerusalem.
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  • And there are beautiful lessons there.
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  • What what it means the marriage of the land, winning
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  • And and all that, leading to the to
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  • The heavenly jerusalem with
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  • 12 gates, having the names of the 12 tribes, and in
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  • 12 foundations having the names of the 12 apostles.
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  • That's saying that all the, all the,
  • 00:18:51.222 --> 00:18:54.525
  • The bodies of redeemed people will be in heavenly.
  • 00:18:54.525 --> 00:18:57.528
  • And that's god's intention for the.
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  • World.
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  • As we wrapped up our conversation.
  • 00:19:01.232 --> 00:19:02.566
  • And i so wish that it could have gone on longer.
  • 00:19:02.566 --> 00:19:05.302
  • But i asked doctor shehata, what does he most excited about?
  • 00:19:05.302 --> 00:19:08.839
  • What are some of the challenges
  • 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:10.374
  • That believers in jordan and the arab world face,
  • 00:19:10.374 --> 00:19:13.477
  • And how can we pray for him
  • 00:19:13.477 --> 00:19:15.546
  • And for the students and the staff at jets?
  • 00:19:15.546 --> 00:19:18.282
  • Well, you know,
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  • I'm excited about the lord jesus and what he does to a person.
  • 00:19:19.550 --> 00:19:22.519
  • That's a that's the most exciting thing.
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  • But then we wish we could do more.
  • 00:19:24.255 --> 00:19:27.091
  • There are some limitations.
  • 00:19:27.091 --> 00:19:28.292
  • Wish we had a little bit more freedom.
  • 00:19:28.292 --> 00:19:29.793
  • But at the same time, because we are limited
  • 00:19:29.793 --> 00:19:32.196
  • By so many rules and so just by the culture,
  • 00:19:32.196 --> 00:19:36.333
  • We move forward and answer to prayer.
  • 00:19:36.333 --> 00:19:38.802
  • You know, miracle after miracle we move forward.
  • 00:19:38.802 --> 00:19:42.006
  • So please pray that these obstacles, when they come
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  • And they're here, we have many examples of them
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  • That we would stay strong and trusting
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  • That the lord would see us through somehow and
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  • Pray for the incoming students.
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  • There will be choice
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  • Men and women that would come, and then outgoing students
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  • As they go to difficult countries,
  • 00:20:00.691 --> 00:20:02.660
  • Poor economies and wanting help.
  • 00:20:02.660 --> 00:20:05.763
  • And they're just excited about planting
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  • Churches and developing.
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  • So that's what we're all about.
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  • Amen. amen.
  • 00:20:12.136 --> 00:20:13.304
  • Thank you so much for spending some time sharing with us,
  • 00:20:13.304 --> 00:20:17.341
  • And i hope that my viewers will will pray not only for you
  • 00:20:17.341 --> 00:20:21.011
  • Personally and for the ministry of the seminary,
  • 00:20:21.011 --> 00:20:24.581
  • But for the entire church
  • 00:20:24.581 --> 00:20:25.883
  • Throughout the arab and islamic world.
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  • Thanks for having me. it's an honor. it's an honor for me.
  • 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.688
  • Thank you.
  • 00:20:30.688 --> 00:20:32.656
  • Well, i hope you enjoyed discovering
  • 00:20:31.422 --> 00:20:34.925
  • The jordan evangelical theological seminary jets.
  • 00:20:34.925 --> 00:20:37.394
  • I love this ministry. i've known them for years.
  • 00:20:37.394 --> 00:20:39.730
  • I've known doctor for years.
  • 00:20:39.730 --> 00:20:41.999
  • And i'm so grateful
  • 00:20:41.999 --> 00:20:42.900
  • For the chance to spend some time with him.
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  • I did meet with him
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  • In his office and met with his staff
  • 00:20:46.303 --> 00:20:48.238
  • And had a wonderful working lunch with them in amman.
  • 00:20:48.238 --> 00:20:51.575
  • But but just to go up to mount nebo, such a biblical site,
  • 00:20:51.575 --> 00:20:54.745
  • And spend time with one of these wonderful, humble,
  • 00:20:54.745 --> 00:20:58.482
  • But very effective leaders
  • 00:20:58.482 --> 00:21:00.651
  • In the arab evangelical christian world,
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  • I want to encourage you to pray for doctor imad.
  • 00:21:03.287 --> 00:21:06.256
  • This is not easy work.
  • 00:21:06.256 --> 00:21:08.025
  • It's very challenging for lots of reasons.
  • 00:21:08.025 --> 00:21:10.627
  • They need prayer, they need encouragement.
  • 00:21:11.495 --> 00:21:13.263
  • Of course they need support.
  • 00:21:13.263 --> 00:21:14.565
  • But i also want you to just discover them to understand
  • 00:21:14.565 --> 00:21:17.801
  • What god is doing, how powerful he is moving in the arab world,
  • 00:21:17.801 --> 00:21:22.039
  • Not just here in israel, not just in iran.
  • 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.141
  • And that is our show for tonight.
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  • Thank you so much for watching.
  • 00:21:25.976 --> 00:21:27.344
  • Thank you so much for praying for jets, praying
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  • For us, praying for the peace of jerusalem.
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  • May god give you a wonderful week
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  • As you continue to walk with the lord jesus christ
  • 00:21:33.183 --> 00:21:35.452
  • And the power of the holy spirit. spend time in the word.
  • 00:21:35.452 --> 00:21:38.288
  • Spend time in prayer and worship,
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  • And in fellowship with other believers.
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  • May god just give you a wonderful
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  • Blessing as you bless
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  • Israel and her neighbors in the name of jesus.
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  • As you care for widows and orphans
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  • And those who are less fortunate.
  • 00:21:50.567 --> 00:21:52.136
  • And of course, as you pray for all
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  • What god is doing here in the middle east. thank you.
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  • Thank you for watching.
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  • Have a great week and lord willing,
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  • I'll see you next week right here on the rosenberg report.
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