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The Rosenberg Report | Joel Rosenberg: Training Future Pastors | The Rosenberg Report | May 14, 2026
- On the rosenberg report, we begin a new series,
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- The discover series, as we discover exciting
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- Christian ministries and godly ministry leaders in israel
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- And the arab muslim world, advancing the kingdom of christ.
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- I'll take you to an extraordinary
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- Evangelical seminary in jordan that's training future pastors
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- To share the gospel,
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- Make disciples, preach the word, and shepherd the flock
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- Throughout the middle east and north africa.
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- It's a conversation on mount nebo with the founder
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- Of the jordan evangelical theological seminary.
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- And it all starts right here, right now on the rosenberg
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- Report.
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- God is moving so powerfully in the epicenter,
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- Not just here in israel and not just in iran.
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- We're actually in iran.
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- Millions of muslims are leaving islam
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- And coming to faith in jesus christ.
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- I love that, and we're going to be talking
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- More about that in the weeks and months ahead.
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- But god is also moving in the arab world.
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- And tonight i want to begin a new series,
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- A series called discover.
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- I want to take you inside a series of ministries
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- In israel, in the arab world and in the iranian world,
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- So you can discover what god is doing
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- And how he's raising up all kinds
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- Of very interesting leaders to preach the gospel,
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- Make disciples,
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- Train and encourage other pastors and ministry
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- Leaders, and raise up future leaders
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- To advance the kingdom of jesus christ
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- Right here in in the epicenter in the middle east.
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- Now, tonight, we're going to take you into jordan.
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- Recently, i went to the kingdom of jordan and spent time
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- With a wonderful friend of mine, doctor imad shehadeh.
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- Doctor is the founder and the president of jets,
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- The jordanian evangelical theological seminary.
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- It's an amazing institution that's training
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- Future pastors and ministry leaders.
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- They train them in jordan, in amman, jordan, in the capital
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- And then deploy them all over the all over
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- The region, all over the world.
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- It is not easy work.
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- There are lots of challenges, lots of reasons
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- To be praying for this ministry.
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- But i want you to see it.
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- I want you to
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- Hear the heart of doctor and what god is doing to train
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- Future pastors and ministry leaders in the arab world today.
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- Let's go discover jets.
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- Doctor, thank you so much.
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- For spending time on the rosenberg report.
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- Why don't you begin with your passion for teaching the bible
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- To christian students from jordan,
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- But from all over the region?
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- At the jordanian evangelical theological seminary,
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- You call it jets.
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- Talk to me about your passion for teaching the scriptures.
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- Well, of course i came to know the lord in the us and
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- And then went to seminary in the us, the dallas theological.
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- But you were born and raised here.
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- I'm born and raised.
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- I'm a jordanian, fully fledged jordanian, and
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- With a passion and a burden to train
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- Men and women for ministry.
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- And that was really the cry of the leadership
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- In the whole middle east country.
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- So we started the seminary about 35 years ago. wow.
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- Which is an amazing story of god answering prayer.
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- I was curious to know from which countries
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- Around the arab world students are coming to study at jets.
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- They come from mostly north africa.
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- Okay.
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- That would be mostly egypt, sudan, south sudan
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- And then iraq, syria, lebanon
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- And then other countries further away like morocco,
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- Algeria, yemen, the emirates, as much as we can,
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- As much as we're allowed. you know.
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- I was also curious to know what percentage of the students
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- At jets are actually jordanian citizens themselves about.
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- At the most, 30% would be jordanians.
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- And now we've really saturated jordan.
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- About 70% of leadership
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- Of the churches in jordan are graduates of jets. wow.
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- And we have graduates in 26 countries.
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- Okay.
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- And we just it's amazing to watch them come.
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- And they have all sorts of ideas that they've gotten raised.
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- When they were raised up like i was,
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- All i heard was the majority religion did not go to church,
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- Although i'm from an orthodox, greek orthodox background.
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- But then they come to us with these, this worldview
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- And it's wonderful to watch them just respect the scripture
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- As inspired texts from god and learn
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- Principles of sound hermeneutics and just respect inspired text
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- And try to understand how it all fits together.
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- It was so encouraging to me to learn that 70%
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- Of the evangelical churches in jordan are pastored by jets
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- Graduates. that's amazing.
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- And that they have graduates serving the lord in 26
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- Arab countries. praise god, that was amazing.
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- So i asked doctor
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- How christian young people in the region
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- Know about the seminary
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- And why do they come if they're not from jordan?
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- Well, it's been really by word of mouth.
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- Okay, so we've had success with the first team of graduates,
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- And then they tell others and we've not had a problem
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- Of applicants.
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- So but we accept so many and so many get in
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- Because we're not allowed unlimited numbers.
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- So we have to be careful with that.
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- So it's been it's been that way.
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- So the seminary is known now
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- And throughout the middle east and north africa.
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- We were meeting in a museum on mount nebo
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- Overlooking the jordan valley.
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- What a cool place to run a bible seminary in a country
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- That has such biblical, historic places like mountain nebo.
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- So i had to ask doctor to share with us
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- Some of what he and his
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- Colleagues teach the students about the biblical history
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- Of jordan.
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- Jordan, of course, has a history.
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- You know, we have the tent city, the decapolis in jordan.
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- We have petra and jordan.
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- We have just
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- Some of the biblical history
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- Of the israelites coming through the jordan.
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- Exactly.
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- Yes. we have the baptismal site.
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- Of course,
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- There's disagreement on which side of the jordan was.
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- Right.
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- Well, he was baptized in the middle.
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- He was in the river.
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- But now, obviously, teaching israel's
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- Biblical history
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- Is a very sensitive issue in the arab muslim world
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- And certainly in jordan and certainly during wartime.
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- But i noted that
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- The jordanian government has venerated and built museums,
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- Even church buildings, on a number of holy sites,
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- Including right there on mount nebo,
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- The very place where moses stood and looked
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- Into israel, into the western half of the promised land.
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- So i asked doctor,
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- How the jordanian government in general approaches
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- Such biblical sites,
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- And the
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- Whole question of christians who want to study and believe
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- In the bible and christianity's relationship with jordan?
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- Here's what he said. yes.
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- And jordanian government with sites like this,
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- They really want to encourage it,
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- Encourage visitors and tourists to come.
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- Another one like it is a baptismal
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- We just spoke about,
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- And jordan is getting ready to have a big event in 2030,
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- Which would be what, 2000 years since jesus was baptized.
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- So have a big event that would be inviting
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- Tourists to come.
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- And so churches
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- Of the various denominations
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- Are having trying to have a footprint
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- Right there of some structure or church buildings
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- At the baptismal site.
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- Now, as you may know,
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- Lynn and i have
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- Had the great joy in honor of meeting jordan's monarch,
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- His majesty king abdullah the second, a number of times.
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- And we
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- We have enormous respect for him, for his family, and for
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- His wise and steady leadership over these many decades.
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- And we were encouraged that a number of years ago,
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- The king actually established a national park
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- At the baptismal site,
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- The very place where many historians
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- And archeologists believe that john the baptist established
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- His ministry and where he baptized jesus.
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- There are, i believe, about a dozen church buildings
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- Of various denominations
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- That have been built there in recent years,
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- And there's even a pavilion where born again evangelical
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- Arab believers can baptize new believers
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- By immersion in the jordan river today.
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- It's amazing.
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- Coming up
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- Next on the rosenberg report, who is doctor imad shehadeh?
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- How did he come to faith in jesus christ and why?
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- For the past 35 years, has he invested his life in building
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- A seminary in jordan to train and equip future
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- Pastors and ministry leaders
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- To preach the word and shepherd the flock
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- Throughout the arab world?
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- Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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- Right after this break.
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- Right after this break.
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- I absolutely love what the jordanian evangelical
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- Theological seminary jet is doing to teach the word
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- Of god and train future pastors and ministry
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- Leaders in the arab world to know the scriptures,
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- First of all, from genesis to revelation,
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- And to truly be able to preach the word and shepherd the flock.
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- So i asked doctor, the founder and president of jets,
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- To tell me more about his story
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- And how god gave him a passion and a calling for this work.
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- Well, i grew up, as i mentioned,
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- As a greek orthodox, but i rarely went to church.
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- You know,
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- All i learned was islam and islamic history and so forth.
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- That was my all i knew.
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- And and it wasn't until i went to college in the,
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- In the us, i was in medicine.
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- I was pretty med student
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- And going to med school went into med school.
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- But then right there, somebody shared the gospel
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- With me and this, this christ i knew
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- About from the greek, or suddenly i know personally.
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- And i grew very quickly in knowing
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- He became the center of everything i did.
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- So i and felt a calling.
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- So i left medicine, went into theological education, and was.
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- With what intent?
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- What were you hoping
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- Or what did you sense the lord was calling you to be?
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- Or to do?
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- You know when you have
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- A burden on your heart that's biblical and stays there?
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- It's an indication he wants you to follow that
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- Burden, which was going back home, going back to jordan,
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- To that middle east, to give them what i received.
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- And i'm indebted to the u.s.
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- Because not only did i know the lord in the us,
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- But i was trained there, i was sent from there.
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- I've been supported from there to do the work intimately,
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- And it's been a marvelous story of so many backing us up
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- To do this work. it's difficult.
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- We've had so many times we were almost shut down.
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- It's.
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- But then we've been here 35 years, seeing god answered
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- Prayers and continue in this work
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- And watching the students just develop
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- Conviction and vision for their countries and the
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- Knowledge of the scripture,
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- And balance and understanding the whole council of god.
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- Knowing ministry issues, spiritual life matters,
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- Marriage issues, and in addition to the whole bible.
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- Now, i was especially curious to understand what are some of
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- The challenges faced by incoming students to jets?
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- What are their spiritual
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- And intellectual needs coming into the seminary?
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- Their worldview about god is so un-christian.
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- Unbiblical? is that right there?
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- Look at the scripture is so much mixed with a look like that.
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- The truth is in between the lines.
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- It's not the lines, it's not what's written.
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- So you need to find
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- What is god really saying in between the lines.
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- So a lot of the
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- Literal message is not conveyed because they're looking.
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- And then that's colored so much by the political situation,
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- The cultural situation.
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- So there's some words they don't like in the scriptures.
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- They don't like the word israel, for example.
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- You know, they prophet passages on prophecy.
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- What's going to happen in the future?
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- Bible prophecy is not taught much in the church.
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- You know.
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- And, you know,
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- You can see, of course, we we have to change the crisis.
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- The center of all scripture is gospel.
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- What he did for us, that's us.
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- And he wants to bless all nations.
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- But there's a history in there.
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- Did not start suddenly out of nowhere.
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- That's a real deep history.
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- And that's,
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- You know, we're called to believe
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- Not just the new testament, but the old testament.
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- And christ is not come to to negate moses.
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- He came to establish moses and support moses.
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- And so we have to believe
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- The whole bible and to see them look at the bible and discover
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- So much there that they have missed,
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- You know, and to be freed from so much untruths
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- Sometimes, sometimes bitterness, hatred
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- That comes from politics, maybe even a victim mentality.
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- You know, our problem is because of such a such a nation.
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- And if it wasn't there, we would be much better off.
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- And that kind of thinking and just watching them be stronger.
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- Now, i learned that there are some very specific
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- Biblical principles that jets professors seek to
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- Impart into the students.
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- One of them is the evangelical concept of solar scripture.
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- So i asked doctor,
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- What does this actually mean and why is it so important?
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- Yeah, solid scripture, of course, is from the
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- Reformation.
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- One of the key words in the reformation.
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- One of them is scripture alone, and it's the highest authority.
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- It means we believe
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- That it's inspired, and because it's
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- Inspired, its inherent and because it's inspired,
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- It's also has highest authority on all matters of life.
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- So that's the starting point.
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- Otherwise, where are we going to go for the final word?
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- People look for a message that has authority.
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- It has to come from somewhere that says this is the way it is.
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- Throughout the gospels, it says that
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- Jesus people were amazed
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- That jesus taught with authority, right?
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- Because he is the word of god.
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- And how so?
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- So yeah, souls of choice that it's not that there aren't
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- Traditions or teachings that might might be helpful,
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- But the question is, do they?
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- The standard is, is the bible right?
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- And that's that's how we test everything.
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- Our young people coming into your seminary,
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- Knowing that, believing that, or are they kind of fuzzy
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- On some of those issues? they're pretty fuzzy.
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- Yeah, they're they think maybe there is something outside
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- The scriptures that has equal or some similar authority.
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- Okay. like tradition.
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- So some of the principles of, of sound hermeneutics
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- Is to know the difference between figurative
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- Interpretation and figurative expression.
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- What does that mean?
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- The bible is full
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- Of figurative expressions like the mountains clap, joy.
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- That means joy.
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- You know i am the door.
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- It's not a literal door.
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- He's just saying he's the only way to.
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- Yes, you know, and so on.
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- These are beautiful ways
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- To express a truth behind the expression.
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- But figure interpretation would be different.
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- It would be putting a meaning
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- On the words that the words do not carry.
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- For example, to say,
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- Oh, mordecai was really the holy spirit,
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- And esther was a church.
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- And you know, like that, or the four men that lowered the
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- The sick man in front of, you know, the four gospels.
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- So you're putting a meaning
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- To the words that the words do not carry these meanings.
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- Okay.
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- Coming up next on the rosenberg report, do arab churches
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- Study and teach bible prophecy,
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- Including the book of revelation?
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- Why should they?
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- And how does the jordan evangelical theological seminary
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- Prepare them to teach it well?
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- Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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- Right after this break.
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- Right after this break.
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- But what.
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- About the book of revelation?
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- Doctor has actually written an academic book in arabic,
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- Teaching through the prophecies of revelation
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- And helping students understand revelation.
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- So i want to understand from him
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- How much of the book of revelation is taught in the arab
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- Church today, and what key points from that book do?
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- Jets professors try to teach their students well.
- 00:16:42.626 --> 00:16:45.496
- You know, in the west, a lot of church,
- 00:16:45.496 --> 00:16:47.898
- They talk about how important it is
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- To study revelation, but they don't study it.
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- So anyway,
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- So it's a difficult book, not difficult
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- Because it's difficult to understand.
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- It's just different.
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- And it's a kind of it really challenges your hermeneutic.
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- Do you really believe it's inspired?
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- If you do, you stay there until you understand it.
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- And once you stay at a difficult text
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- And you stay there and stay there,
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- Then it becomes clearer and clearer.
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- So you have the
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- You know, the first chapter is about god himself
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- And about jesus, the revelation through christ and his his
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- Vision of him.
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- He saw him in his spiritual
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- And some in his spirit and his glorified state.
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- Then there's the letters to the seven churches in chapter
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- Two and three, which is which speak of the state of the church
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- Throughout history.
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- And what it is
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- Today is a description of the weaknesses of the church.
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- But then it begins in chapter four and five were the vision
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- Of heaven and what?
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- What the plan of christ is for the future.
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- Time when there would be
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- An unprecedented time of tribulation.
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- Okay.
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- And that takes us from chapter 6 to 18
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- Explaining that and judgments that are coming in.
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- But then, you know, the thing
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- Is, when you look at it, i found in doing that, really
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- The book of revelation is it's only 25% speaking about
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- Judgment and 75% talking about the attributes of god.
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- The context is what god is like, what is he trying to do?
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- And that climaxes in the second coming of christ,
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- A glorious coming
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- And establishing the promised kingdom,
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- Which prepares for an eternal state
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- In the new heaven and earth and the coming down of the
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- Heavenly jerusalem.
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- And there are beautiful lessons there.
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- What what it means the marriage of the land, winning
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- And and all that, leading to the to
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- The heavenly jerusalem with
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- 12 gates, having the names of the 12 tribes, and in
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- 12 foundations having the names of the 12 apostles.
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- That's saying that all the, all the,
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- The bodies of redeemed people will be in heavenly.
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- And that's god's intention for the.
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- World.
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- As we wrapped up our conversation.
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- And i so wish that it could have gone on longer.
- 00:19:02.566 --> 00:19:05.302
- But i asked doctor shehata, what does he most excited about?
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- What are some of the challenges
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- That believers in jordan and the arab world face,
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- And how can we pray for him
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- And for the students and the staff at jets?
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- Well, you know,
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- I'm excited about the lord jesus and what he does to a person.
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- That's a that's the most exciting thing.
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- But then we wish we could do more.
- 00:19:24.255 --> 00:19:27.091
- There are some limitations.
- 00:19:27.091 --> 00:19:28.292
- Wish we had a little bit more freedom.
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- But at the same time, because we are limited
- 00:19:29.793 --> 00:19:32.196
- By so many rules and so just by the culture,
- 00:19:32.196 --> 00:19:36.333
- We move forward and answer to prayer.
- 00:19:36.333 --> 00:19:38.802
- You know, miracle after miracle we move forward.
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- So please pray that these obstacles, when they come
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- And they're here, we have many examples of them
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- That we would stay strong and trusting
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- That the lord would see us through somehow and
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- Pray for the incoming students.
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- There will be choice
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- Men and women that would come, and then outgoing students
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- As they go to difficult countries,
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- Poor economies and wanting help.
- 00:20:02.660 --> 00:20:05.763
- And they're just excited about planting
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- Churches and developing.
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- So that's what we're all about.
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- Amen. amen.
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- Thank you so much for spending some time sharing with us,
- 00:20:13.304 --> 00:20:17.341
- And i hope that my viewers will will pray not only for you
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- Personally and for the ministry of the seminary,
- 00:20:21.011 --> 00:20:24.581
- But for the entire church
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- Throughout the arab and islamic world.
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- Thanks for having me. it's an honor. it's an honor for me.
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- Thank you.
- 00:20:30.688 --> 00:20:32.656
- Well, i hope you enjoyed discovering
- 00:20:31.422 --> 00:20:34.925
- The jordan evangelical theological seminary jets.
- 00:20:34.925 --> 00:20:37.394
- I love this ministry. i've known them for years.
- 00:20:37.394 --> 00:20:39.730
- I've known doctor for years.
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- And i'm so grateful
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- For the chance to spend some time with him.
- 00:20:42.900 --> 00:20:45.402
- I did meet with him
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- In his office and met with his staff
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- And had a wonderful working lunch with them in amman.
- 00:20:48.238 --> 00:20:51.575
- But but just to go up to mount nebo, such a biblical site,
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- And spend time with one of these wonderful, humble,
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- But very effective leaders
- 00:20:58.482 --> 00:21:00.651
- In the arab evangelical christian world,
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- I want to encourage you to pray for doctor imad.
- 00:21:03.287 --> 00:21:06.256
- This is not easy work.
- 00:21:06.256 --> 00:21:08.025
- It's very challenging for lots of reasons.
- 00:21:08.025 --> 00:21:10.627
- They need prayer, they need encouragement.
- 00:21:11.495 --> 00:21:13.263
- Of course they need support.
- 00:21:13.263 --> 00:21:14.565
- But i also want you to just discover them to understand
- 00:21:14.565 --> 00:21:17.801
- What god is doing, how powerful he is moving in the arab world,
- 00:21:17.801 --> 00:21:22.039
- Not just here in israel, not just in iran.
- 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.141
- And that is our show for tonight.
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- Thank you so much for watching.
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- Thank you so much for praying for jets, praying
- 00:21:27.344 --> 00:21:29.213
- For us, praying for the peace of jerusalem.
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- May god give you a wonderful week
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- As you continue to walk with the lord jesus christ
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- And the power of the holy spirit. spend time in the word.
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- Spend time in prayer and worship,
- 00:21:38.288 --> 00:21:40.090
- And in fellowship with other believers.
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- May god just give you a wonderful
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- Blessing as you bless
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- Israel and her neighbors in the name of jesus.
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- As you care for widows and orphans
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- And those who are less fortunate.
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- And of course, as you pray for all
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- What god is doing here in the middle east. thank you.
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- Thank you for watching.
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- Have a great week and lord willing,
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- I'll see you next week right here on the rosenberg report.
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