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The Rosenberg Report | Joel Rosenberg: What Trumps Presidency Means For Israel | The Rosenberg Report | January 23, 2025
- Tonight on the rosenberg report,
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- Trump takes the oath of office.
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- Netanyahu signed an historic but highly controversial deal
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- With hamas
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- To release the hostages and create a cease fire in gaza.
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- It already, one of his major coalition partners,
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- Has quit the government in outrage against the deal.
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- What does it all mean for u.s.
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- Israeli relations?
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- Is the war now over or just on pause?
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- Could a deal with the saudis be next?
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- And should israel create a new position,
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- That of ambassador to the christian world?
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- An exclusive interview with former israeli
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- Prime minister yair lapid, now leader of the opposition
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- And leader of the center left movement in israel.
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- All this and more tonight on the rosenberg report.
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- A monumental, historic and emotional week here in israel.
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- Huge headlines and a huge change of direction.
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- Three israeli hostages, emily, romi and doron,
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- Finally released sunday night,
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- Brought out of those terror dungeons in gaza and reunited
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- With their families here in israel.
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- An emotional reunion
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- After the government approved a dramatic and controversial
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- Deal with hamas, the most controversial cabinet
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- Minister in the israeli government,
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- Itamar ben-gvir, a far right wing extremist in my view,
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- Then resigned the netanyahu coalition in protest
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- Against the deal, taking his entire party with him.
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- And on monday, donald trump took the oath of office
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- In washington.
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- The 45th president
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- Now becoming the 47th president of the united states,
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- The new commander in chief and promising sweeping change
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- At home and abroad,
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- Particularly here in israel and throughout the middle east.
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- What does it all mean?
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- Where are u.s.
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- Israeli relations heading next?
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- And how should evangelical christians
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- Be praying at this
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- Critical inflection point
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- In the modern history of the epicenter?
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- Good evening, and welcome to the rosenberg report.
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- Tonight, an exclusive interview yair lapid.
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- A former israeli prime minister and foreign minister,
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- He currently serves as israel's opposition leader.
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- Yair lapid, welcome. it's good to see you.
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- Welcome to the rosenberg report set.
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- Thank you. i already learned something.
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- I didn't know that.
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- If you are the 45th president
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- And then you become the 47th president, it's counted.
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- You get both numbers, you get both numbers.
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- You get both numbers.
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- I see, you know, when president biden was here,
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- We sat together, just the two of us, for a long conversation.
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- So he stretched a little,
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- And i saw on his socks was the number 46,
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- And i didn't know what it's like.
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- What he said.
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- All my socks has got number 46 now.
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- It's part of the job so. well.
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- So i now they're going to have different socks for president.
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- That's right.
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- That's a big difference in the u.s.
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- 45 and 47.
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- Now you and i talking on monday as the as trump has taken
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- The oath of oath of office.
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- So i just want to alert our viewers that,
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- A lot can change between monday and thursday.
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- When you see this or the repeat on saturday night.
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- So just put in context.
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- I just want to be upfront with everyone because, you know,
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- God only knows good, bad or ugly things can change here.
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- But let's start with you.
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- Yair lapid.
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- You have been quite critical, of course, of the,
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- Netanyahu government.
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- You are the the head of the opposition.
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- So, you've been pushing netanyahu to make a deal
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- Much, much sooner, than this.
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- Just first, your reaction to the images,
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- That we're all watching these emotional images,
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- Starting with the hostages coming out,
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- And we'll break it out. yeah, listen
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- Like every other israeli,
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- No matter what your view, what your views are.
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- I was very emotional about this. i had tears in my eyes.
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- I spent in the last year and four month.
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- There were very few
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- Days in which i didn't meet with these families of hostages.
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- And, last week i was in i was in paris
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- Meeting with the qataris, with hostage families,
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- And discussing this.
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- And this was the first time i realized this.
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- It is going to happen this time around.
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- And still the tension before this
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- Just just waiting for this to have been waiting for this,
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- For this glued to the television.
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- The entire nation was was in the same spirit
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- And in ways we have to be able to understand the complexity.
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- I mean, the people who supported the deal like i do,
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- Also understands the risks.
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- And the people who said the deal is too dangerous
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- Were also, i hope, happy and joyful
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- And in tears seeing the hostages coming back home.
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- I mean, this has unite us
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- In ways that hasn't been around for too long.
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- Yeah, i'll say, we did a youtube exclusive,
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- For the rosenberg report in which
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- I needed to walk through evangelicals why
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- I hate this deal, but why i support it.
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- Yeah, you can do both at the same time.
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- Now, you would have.
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- You were pushing netanyahu to accept basically the terms
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- That that president biden laid out last may.
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- Did you think that
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- I mean, and you and many israelis were
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- Or may seem to be making the argument
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- That he might not get to the point of make a deal?
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- Well, what was your actual position
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- And how do you see the decision netanyahu's made, given
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- That it's already cost him, six members of his coalition?
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- And and actually, there's a good percentage of his own.
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- Yeah.
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- You know, party and coalition supporters, voters who
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- Who are not comfortable with this deal
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- Are actually against it.
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- Well, this is this is why you need leadership
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- To make the decisions. you know, it's interesting.
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- Leadership is almost never opposite your enemies.
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- It's always
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- Opposite your own people
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- Telling them the things they don't want to hear.
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- I think the fact that this was postponed,
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- But you have to understand the deal that was executed
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- Last night for the first time was started last night
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- Is not similar to the deal we had in may.
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- It is the exact same deal
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- To the last point,
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- And therefore i think it was a mistake,
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- To postpone it.
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- We have, 122 soldiers who were killed in gaza since may.
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- We have at least six hostages that we know of that died
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- During this time.
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- And i don't think we have a lot to show for it.
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- Well, hold on, hold on.
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- I mean, for if you were if you maybe were here on the.
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- You would say we kill...
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- We killed yahya sinwar,
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- Ismail haniya. mohammed deif.
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- This is a very...
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- Deif was killed before. sinwar was killed afterwards.
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- Nasrallah. it has nothing to do with this.
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- Haniyeh was was in tehran.
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- Invasion of rafah.
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- Just because the tension of that case, which was that
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- Netanyahu█s case- i'm not defending, i'm
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- Just saying his position was
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- This is effectively surrender
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- In may of last year,
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- June of last year, whereas we've got so much more
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- We've got to accomplish before we could make a deal like that.
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- Well, i'm not sure this is what he was saying in may.
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- I think,
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- And all the idf has done
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- Wonderfully and amazing things in the last few months.
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- Still, listen, this is the what if kind of of discussions.
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- The fact that sinwar was killed was,
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- A successful chance.
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- It didn't happen because somebody planned it.
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- He was just in a building and somebody
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- Bombed the building, and he died.
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- Every israeli in his right mind,
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- Every person who believes in freedom
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- In his right mind, was happy about this.
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- The guys a terrorist and
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- We should not shed no tears on his death.
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- And the people around
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- And the fact that people around him is died.
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- The thing is,
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- In our culture and we have the same culture,
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- This is the jew, the christian culture.
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- We cherish life first and foremost.
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- And the loss of life for having the exact same deal
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- To me is something at least to be questioned.
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- And i'm being polite about this.
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- On the other hand,
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- I don't want to be the guy who says “but”
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- I thought it was the right decision.
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- It was the right decision. i think it is the right deal.
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- Like you, i felt the risks of the
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- The complexities,
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- Things we have to be careful about are still around.
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- What are you most worried about?
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- The fact...
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- And here█s one thing i differ from the government.
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- The fact that right now.
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- Okay, so have we have the first stage.
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- We have
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- To go to the second stage
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- Until the last of the hostages are home.
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- And what worries me is the fact that there is no real
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- Strategic plan for the day after.
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- I mean, our common goal is the total destruction of hamas.
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- Hamas shouldn't rule gaza
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- In no way, militarily
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- Or, domestically.
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- This will not happen unless you will have
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- An alternative governing body in gaza,
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- And the alternative governing body will be formed
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- Because there's no other choice from hopefully
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- The saudis as part of a bigger deal.
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- We will probably discuss this later.
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- And the emirates and the egyptians
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- Are critical players for this,
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- And a symbolic branch of the palestinian authority.
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- And this symbolic branch, which is which is for all
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- Practical purposes, is insignificant, is the reason
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- This government is not saying, yes, this is what we want.
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- And this because, you know, it might be a pr disaster,
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- But it is still the right thing to do.
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- And this is what we need
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- An alternative governing body in gaza to replace hamas.
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- Okay. the reason i would just finish one thing.
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- The reason, for example, hamas is taking over
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- The humanitarian aid that is coming into gaza
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- Is because we didn't work in order to have somebody else
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- Getting those trucks and spreading the humanitarian
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- Aid to the people. yes. so all right.
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- No, no, no, hold that thought.
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- It's a very important thought.
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- We're going to talk more about the trump effect,
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- How president trump coming into office
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- Has both changed the dynamic in terms
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- Of bringing hamas to the table and a deal getting done.
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- But where do we go from here?
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- What does the day after look like as,
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- You just raised the question, where are you at?
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- Us israeli saudi relations going?
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- Could there be the deal of the century,
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- The deal of the millennia, perhaps,
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- Between israel and saudi arabia in 2025?
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- Don't go away. we'll be right back on the rosenberg report
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- Coming up next
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- On the rosenberg report, who gets credit
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- For this historic and controversial hostage deal?
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- Biden or trump?
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- And why does opposition leader yasser lapid, head of the center
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- Left movement in israel, believe that only he, not netanyahu,
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- Can secure a sweeping peace and normalization deal
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- With saudi arabia, in what some may call the deal
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- Of the millennium, his answers just may surprise you.
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- Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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- Right after the break.
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- Right after the break.
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- Welcome back to the rosenberg report,
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- My exclusive interview
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- With former israeli prime minister, now
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- The opposition leader here in israel,
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- Yair lapid.
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- Great to have you.
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- Let's talk for a moment about the trump effect.
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- The whole game has changed since his election.
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- He was almost acting as effectively
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- The united states in the final weeks before his inauguration.
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- Do you think a deal would have gotten done
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- If trump hadn't intervened to both threats against hamas,
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- But perhaps even encouragement of netanyahu to take some risks?
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- That he might not have wanted to take with the the argument
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- That trump is saying, i'll be with you.
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- If hamas breaks this deal,
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- I'll fully support you in a way that we haven't heard
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- That really that language.
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- We didn't hear it from biden and his team.
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- Well.
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- First of all, we have to say we are thankful to afforded
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- By biden administration for the help.
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- But i don't think it would have happened
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- Without president trump, i think.
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- And, you know, the proof of the cooking is in the pudding.
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- I mean, he's coming to office the same days,
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- Coming to office of the day before coming to office.
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- The hostages are coming back.
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- And this was because of the
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- Reluctance, the way he was pushing for this to happen.
- 00:12:38.113 --> 00:12:42.017
- And showing once again
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- What a great friend it is for the people of israel.
- 00:12:44.620 --> 00:12:46.655
- I was sitting not far from here
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- When the embassy was opening here in jerusalem
- 00:12:48.457 --> 00:12:51.193
- With tears in my eyes.
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- And i'm not crying that easily, usually.
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- And because i feel that,
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- He didn't get enough credit
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- For the great things he did with the abraham accords.
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- This this is this is nobel peace prize material.
- 00:13:07.643 --> 00:13:10.913
- This is not that. what?
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- And you became the first foreign minister
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- And then prime minister, you know,
- 00:13:15.050 --> 00:13:17.353
- Working closely with naftali bennett to, to really,
- 00:13:17.353 --> 00:13:20.589
- Help we need this israeli.
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- Implement.
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- Society and government during the
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- The early years of the abraham.
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- I had the privilege of opening the embassy
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- In the emirates, opening the embassy in bahrain.
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- Then we formed the negev forum, which was which was crucial,
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- With the bahraini, the emirates, the egyptians and the.
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- Moroccans. the moroccans. nasser bourita was there.
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- Yeah.
- 00:13:42.912 --> 00:13:44.146
- So this has changed our world in ways that were unheard of
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- Or nobody was even capable of thinking of before.
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- And these relationships have held despite.
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- This, during tough times.
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- I mean, what was happening in gaza, this was on
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- Television in the emirates and in bahrain and in morocco.
- 00:13:59.795 --> 00:14:03.432
- And still the relationship hold on, hold on.
- 00:14:03.432 --> 00:14:06.702
- And the reason is because the fundamentals are strong
- 00:14:06.702 --> 00:14:09.705
- And the fundamentals are strong
- 00:14:09.705 --> 00:14:11.373
- Because there is an american umbrella
- 00:14:11.373 --> 00:14:15.277
- Or an american, flow to this, which was created by president
- 00:14:15.277 --> 00:14:20.382
- Trump and his crew with jared kushner and others and and now
- 00:14:20.382 --> 00:14:24.987
- We're looking forward to see how can we develop even more.
- 00:14:24.987 --> 00:14:28.157
- You've mentioned the saudi deal.
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- Do you think that's possible in the next year or so?
- 00:14:30.526 --> 00:14:33.062
- Yes, i think why?
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- Well, here's here's the thing.
- 00:14:34.863 --> 00:14:36.065
- It's an interesting
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- It doesn't usually happen that you have one concept
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- Or one organizing idea that solves
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- Or at least addresses the majority of problems we have
- 00:14:46.542 --> 00:14:50.379
- Because saudi, it is known as the normalization deal.
- 00:14:50.379 --> 00:14:53.882
- But this is this is the creation of a
- 00:14:53.882 --> 00:14:55.617
- Regional coalition that a and most important,
- 00:14:55.617 --> 00:14:59.555
- Looking at the iran and saying, here's what it's not.
- 00:14:59.555 --> 00:15:03.292
- You know, the siege is not on us.
- 00:15:03.292 --> 00:15:05.294
- The siege is on you.
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- As we sold during the missile attacks on israel.
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- That being the saudis, the bahrainis,
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- The emiratis, the jordanians, the americans, the
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- Some of nato work together and working.
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- Dramatic.
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- We don't.
- 00:15:20.743 --> 00:15:21.443
- Yeah, it is
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- Dramatic and historic, and we have to make sure
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- That iran doesn't get nuclear weapons.
- 00:15:24.213 --> 00:15:27.116
- And this includes the necessary military threat
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- In order to make sure
- 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:31.687
- The iranians at the stand, this is the worst idea ever.
- 00:15:31.687 --> 00:15:35.090
- They will be attacked by this coalition
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- If they will try to have a nuclear weapon and,
- 00:15:37.459 --> 00:15:41.463
- And this will this will strangle this, this regime,
- 00:15:41.463 --> 00:15:44.767
- This is killing its own people and disrupting
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- The entire region.
- 00:15:48.604 --> 00:15:50.205
- And this
- 00:15:50.205 --> 00:15:51.407
- This coalition is also the governing body we need for gaza.
- 00:15:51.407 --> 00:15:54.843
- And this coalition will be the
- 00:15:55.544 --> 00:15:58.881
- At least the beginning of the rebuilding of syria.
- 00:15:59.882 --> 00:16:02.518
- So you have one concept that serves all purposes
- 00:16:02.518 --> 00:16:07.723
- That has to do with israel national security.
- 00:16:07.723 --> 00:16:10.125
- And on top of this brings to the table unbelievable
- 00:16:10.125 --> 00:16:15.264
- Options to the economy, both of the united states and
- 00:16:15.264 --> 00:16:18.033
- And israel.
- 00:16:18.033 --> 00:16:19.001
- So this is this is breathtaking.
- 00:16:19.001 --> 00:16:21.703
- So, so, so related to that.
- 00:16:21.703 --> 00:16:24.740
- A couple thoughts.
- 00:16:25.174 --> 00:16:26.175
- One, and this is just to finish this thought.
- 00:16:26.175 --> 00:16:28.677
- This is this is actually, president trump's vision.
- 00:16:28.677 --> 00:16:31.713
- This he brought that table.
- 00:16:31.713 --> 00:16:33.615
- Yeah. so.
- 00:16:33.615 --> 00:16:37.252
- It looked like we were really close like that
- 00:16:37.252 --> 00:16:40.222
- President biden and his team were closing in on a final deal.
- 00:16:40.222 --> 00:16:43.859
- And then the iranian regime decided to, in my view,
- 00:16:44.893 --> 00:16:47.930
- It was their move to blow up a israeli saudi american alliance,
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- By setting
- 00:16:53.735 --> 00:16:55.070
- Into motion, activating hamas, hezbollah and the houthis.
- 00:16:55.070 --> 00:16:58.107
- Yeah.
- 00:16:58.107 --> 00:16:58.774
- So as we get closer,
- 00:16:58.774 --> 00:17:00.776
- If we start to move closer to a deal in 2025,
- 00:17:00.776 --> 00:17:04.913
- Isn't there the risk that the iranian regime is going to,
- 00:17:04.913 --> 00:17:09.151
- Find a new way to blow this thing
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- Up, literally and figuratively?
- 00:17:12.387 --> 00:17:13.889
- They're going to do whatever there is in their power,
- 00:17:13.889 --> 00:17:16.925
- But they have less power.
- 00:17:17.493 --> 00:17:20.229
- And we are very much aware,
- 00:17:20.229 --> 00:17:22.865
- And we have to be to take this into consideration.
- 00:17:22.865 --> 00:17:25.834
- Now, the problem we have is actually different now
- 00:17:25.834 --> 00:17:28.837
- Because the iranian influence we can manage together
- 00:17:28.837 --> 00:17:32.341
- The problem we have.
- 00:17:32.808 --> 00:17:33.909
- And this is the reason i do not believe
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- That the current israeli government
- 00:17:35.911 --> 00:17:37.179
- Is capable of doing this deal, is
- 00:17:37.179 --> 00:17:40.282
- The saudis, the emirates, of course, the moroccan.
- 00:17:41.316 --> 00:17:44.887
- The egyptian needs us. jordanians.
- 00:17:44.887 --> 00:17:48.157
- Needs a more solid palestinian element into this.
- 00:17:48.157 --> 00:17:52.427
- And, this government.
- 00:17:52.928 --> 00:17:54.730
- May want a roadmap to a palace.
- 00:17:54.730 --> 00:17:56.064
- They want
- 00:17:56.064 --> 00:17:57.266
- A roadmap map to something they want to say, listen, let's
- 00:17:57.266 --> 00:18:00.169
- Myself like, i think you,
- 00:18:00.769 --> 00:18:04.273
- And the majority of israelis look at the situation and say,
- 00:18:04.273 --> 00:18:07.609
- Okay, we're not going to have a palestinian state
- 00:18:07.609 --> 00:18:09.645
- In the next ten years, but we have to be able
- 00:18:09.645 --> 00:18:13.182
- To at least have a vision of the possibility of separating
- 00:18:13.182 --> 00:18:17.653
- From the palestinians in a peaceful way, one day.
- 00:18:17.653 --> 00:18:20.722
- Yeah, i don't know, don't support a sovereign state.
- 00:18:20.722 --> 00:18:22.724
- I do support some sort of demilitarized entity.
- 00:18:22.724 --> 00:18:25.594
- Are you know, it's a critical thing.
- 00:18:25.594 --> 00:18:28.564
- We've got to talk about it.
- 00:18:28.564 --> 00:18:29.431
- And, and,
- 00:18:29.431 --> 00:18:31.033
- Yet you're on the message to evangelicals as we begin 2025.
- 00:18:31.033 --> 00:18:35.704
- On a couple of different issues.
- 00:18:36.338 --> 00:18:37.439
- So, critical issue. don't go away.
- 00:18:37.439 --> 00:18:39.641
- We'll be right back on the rosenberg report.
- 00:18:39.641 --> 00:18:42.311
- Coming up next on the rosenberg report,
- 00:18:43.078 --> 00:18:45.447
- What is former israeli prime minister year lapid's message
- 00:18:45.447 --> 00:18:49.117
- To evangelicals as we begin 2025?
- 00:18:49.117 --> 00:18:52.654
- Does he support the creation of the first ever post
- 00:18:52.654 --> 00:18:56.658
- Of israeli ambassador to the christian world?
- 00:18:56.658 --> 00:18:59.595
- Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
- 00:18:59.595 --> 00:19:03.498
- Right after the break.
- 00:19:03.498 --> 00:19:06.004
- Right after the break.
- 00:19:06.004 --> 00:19:09.838
- Okay, pick up your point.
- 00:19:10.405 --> 00:19:11.506
- Yair lapid.
- 00:19:11.506 --> 00:19:13.909
- You were saying why you think while netanyahu has gotten us
- 00:19:13.909 --> 00:19:16.511
- This far
- 00:19:16.511 --> 00:19:17.446
- In terms of the war and now the beginnings
- 00:19:17.446 --> 00:19:18.880
- Of the hostages coming out,
- 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:20.716
- We're all praying and holding our breath
- 00:19:20.716 --> 00:19:22.784
- That that would really finally happen.
- 00:19:22.784 --> 00:19:24.586
- But you're saying that
- 00:19:24.586 --> 00:19:25.587
- They're not the government that can make the
- 00:19:25.587 --> 00:19:27.889
- The macro deal, the deal of the millennia, maybe,
- 00:19:27.889 --> 00:19:31.493
- To bring about a saudi normalization. why?
- 00:19:31.493 --> 00:19:34.396
- Two reasons.
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- One is
- 00:19:35.230 --> 00:19:36.298
- Because they don't know how with this this what
- 00:19:36.298 --> 00:19:39.434
- They have in the coalition, the members
- 00:19:39.434 --> 00:19:41.103
- They have in coalition,
- 00:19:41.103 --> 00:19:42.070
- They cannot bring the necessary very minimal
- 00:19:42.070 --> 00:19:45.674
- Palestinian elements, a component of this deal.
- 00:19:45.674 --> 00:19:49.444
- And that is this government.
- 00:19:49.444 --> 00:19:51.480
- You're going to meet.
- 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:52.347
- Meaning, netanyahu has a very hard time
- 00:19:52.347 --> 00:19:53.882
- Politically saying,
- 00:19:53.882 --> 00:19:55.083
- Yes, i would support some sort of state, even though,
- 00:19:55.083 --> 00:19:59.254
- Trump in his plan, that bibi enthusiastically
- 00:19:59.254 --> 00:20:02.124
- Supported in 2020 there was a demilitarized palestinian state.
- 00:20:02.124 --> 00:20:06.795
- I agree and i supported it
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- From the opposition at the time working with the trump team.
- 00:20:08.363 --> 00:20:12.734
- Still but...
- 00:20:13.068 --> 00:20:13.902
- The world has changed. i mean.
- 00:20:13.902 --> 00:20:15.804
- Netanyahu has changed, the government
- 00:20:15.804 --> 00:20:18.907
- The israeli government now is formed from parties
- 00:20:18.907 --> 00:20:21.777
- That, and even in likud, it's not the same.
- 00:20:21.777 --> 00:20:24.846
- It's not the same government.
- 00:20:24.846 --> 00:20:26.114
- So they can do this.
- 00:20:26.114 --> 00:20:27.182
- And the other problem is
- 00:20:27.182 --> 00:20:28.884
- You will have to do a lot of work
- 00:20:28.884 --> 00:20:31.486
- In the united states from both sides of the aisle.
- 00:20:31.486 --> 00:20:35.257
- You will want the conservative democrats to
- 00:20:35.257 --> 00:20:38.527
- And there are still conservative democrats to support this.
- 00:20:38.527 --> 00:20:41.730
- No, because this is this has to do with some sort
- 00:20:41.730 --> 00:20:45.133
- Of a defense agreement between the saudis and the americans.
- 00:20:45.133 --> 00:20:47.869
- So in order to do this,
- 00:20:47.869 --> 00:20:49.071
- You will have to have an israeli government
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- That is capable of working on both
- 00:20:50.772 --> 00:20:52.407
- Sides of the aisle right now, the current israeli government.
- 00:20:52.407 --> 00:20:56.178
- And it's a mistake, is
- 00:20:56.178 --> 00:21:01.316
- Lead itself towards the republicans,
- 00:21:02.117 --> 00:21:04.286
- Which is a great thing during
- 00:21:04.286 --> 00:21:06.088
- A republican administration when you have the white house,
- 00:21:06.088 --> 00:21:09.925
- The senate and congress as a ruled by republicans,
- 00:21:09.925 --> 00:21:13.695
- But you going to need the 67, 68 votes.
- 00:21:13.695 --> 00:21:16.398
- You're going to need people who know how to work
- 00:21:16.398 --> 00:21:18.967
- With democrats as well.
- 00:21:18.967 --> 00:21:20.635
- I know how to do it. not very,
- 00:21:20.635 --> 00:21:23.238
- To work with both sides.
- 00:21:23.238 --> 00:21:24.473
- We will have to be able to be
- 00:21:24.473 --> 00:21:26.141
- Smart about how we're working with a aipac about this.
- 00:21:26.141 --> 00:21:29.044
- And i know you are going towards this direction
- 00:21:29.044 --> 00:21:32.814
- With our evangelical, very, very dear friend. yes.
- 00:21:32.814 --> 00:21:37.119
- All right.
- 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:37.486
- So, well,
- 00:21:37.486 --> 00:21:38.653
- I think evangelicals will support an expansion of the,
- 00:21:38.653 --> 00:21:41.757
- The abraham accords, especially with saudi.
- 00:21:41.757 --> 00:21:43.825
- They're going to be uncomfortable if
- 00:21:43.825 --> 00:21:45.861
- If it feels like
- 00:21:45.861 --> 00:21:47.229
- Palestinian societies have been rewarded with a state
- 00:21:47.229 --> 00:21:51.366
- After all this, but,
- 00:21:51.366 --> 00:21:52.567
- But what is your what is your message?
- 00:21:52.567 --> 00:21:54.336
- As i said.
- 00:21:54.336 --> 00:21:55.604
- For the next ten years, we have no worries about this is not.
- 00:21:55.604 --> 00:21:58.473
- There is no state.
- 00:21:58.473 --> 00:21:59.674
- Like actually what we're going to need
- 00:21:59.674 --> 00:22:01.143
- Is to have the normalization deal with the saudis.
- 00:22:01.143 --> 00:22:04.846
- And there is a healing process that is not going to be either
- 00:22:04.846 --> 00:22:08.517
- Short or easy on within the israeli society.
- 00:22:08.517 --> 00:22:12.554
- And and this healing process is also necessary
- 00:22:12.554 --> 00:22:16.558
- Before even starting to think about
- 00:22:17.292 --> 00:22:20.962
- What kind of vision we have for the far future.
- 00:22:20.962 --> 00:22:24.499
- You'll definitely see evangelicals want to support
- 00:22:24.499 --> 00:22:26.802
- More humanitarian relief and reconstruction in gaza.
- 00:22:26.802 --> 00:22:30.138
- I mean, there will be a compassion
- 00:22:30.138 --> 00:22:31.206
- Factor of love your neighbor,
- 00:22:31.206 --> 00:22:32.407
- Even love your enemy, though that's always difficult.
- 00:22:32.407 --> 00:22:35.210
- Yeah. but you know.
- 00:22:35.210 --> 00:22:36.478
- It's the other. issue.
- 00:22:36.478 --> 00:22:37.412
- If it sounds like.
- 00:22:37.412 --> 00:22:38.613
- “turn your cheek” we never we never bought into it.
- 00:22:38.613 --> 00:22:40.482
- Well, yes.
- 00:22:40.482 --> 00:22:41.316
- As jews, we never bought into that.
- 00:22:41.316 --> 00:22:42.517
- Did you say you show addition and which is a good one.
- 00:22:42.517 --> 00:22:44.986
- But it's a difficult one. but yeah.
- 00:22:44.986 --> 00:22:46.822
- Maybe last thing -
- 00:22:47.255 --> 00:22:49.324
- Message generally to evangelicals.
- 00:22:49.324 --> 00:22:51.593
- You and i have built a relationship over the last five,
- 00:22:51.593 --> 00:22:54.196
- Six, seven years.
- 00:22:54.196 --> 00:22:55.096
- It's it's so much has happened.
- 00:22:55.096 --> 00:22:57.232
- We've
- 00:22:57.232 --> 00:22:58.300
- And you've had so many different roles since then,
- 00:22:58.300 --> 00:22:59.701
- But one thing we've talked about over the years
- 00:22:59.701 --> 00:23:01.736
- And i'm trying to encourage more now, is the
- 00:23:01.736 --> 00:23:04.973
- The creation by a prime minister or a foreign minister of a
- 00:23:04.973 --> 00:23:08.176
- Of an ambassadorship to the christian world
- 00:23:08.176 --> 00:23:11.646
- 2.4 billion christians, 600 million evangelicals,
- 00:23:11.646 --> 00:23:14.883
- And yet no one person in this
- 00:23:14.883 --> 00:23:17.552
- In any israeli
- 00:23:17.552 --> 00:23:18.620
- Government of either side, is sort of tasked with
- 00:23:18.620 --> 00:23:22.491
- How do we work with christians to encourage
- 00:23:22.491 --> 00:23:24.693
- That pro-israel sentiment?
- 00:23:24.693 --> 00:23:26.294
- I agree on the premise, which is these are
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- Our best friends in the world.
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- This is the friendship
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- We should cherish and promote constantly.
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- And therefore, you're right.
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- I told you this before.
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- I think we need two new ambassadors
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- That are not in the curriculum regular curriculum.
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- One is for big high tech companies,
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- But big tech companies beca
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- Because google and meta
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- More influential now
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- Than 90% of the
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- Countries in the world, you know, i mean, elon
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- Musk is a very fine example of somebody who, through tech,
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- Is changing the world in ways most countries will never do.
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- And of course,
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- We need an ambassador to the christian world because
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- It's the joint culture.
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- And and this culture needs
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- Protection and needs cooperation.
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- Yeah.
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- And even the one thing you have said about,
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- The ability to sympathize
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- With the pain of others,
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- Which is part of the judeo-christian culture
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- And not necessarily part of some of the cultures
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- That are surrounding us.
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- I mean we felt, israeli felt, and as i'm sure evangelicals
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- Felt, that when you see children that are dying,
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- Then you say, okay, we don't care where they are.
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- Children are not supposed to die in grown ups, wars.
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- And this is something we are compassionate about
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- And this is something we have to work together.
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- So yes, i completely agree that we need this.
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- This tool as a as a special
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- Of a special ambassador to promote this relationship.
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- Thank you.
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- Thank you for coming to the rosenberg
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- Report set, overlooking beautiful jerusalem.
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- This is not a green screen. this is the legit, real,
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- City of jerusalem.
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- The old city of jerusalem.
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- Thank you, thank you. appreciate your friendship.
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- And i appreciate your loyal opposition.
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- And it's an interesting moment of unity
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- Between you, your netanyahu right now
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- And the entire country, almost the entire country,
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- Almost entire country.
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- Maybe one minister in his party
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- Who've voted, but this is the time.
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- It's a painful deal.
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- But we've got to get these hostages out.
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- And thank you for having me, john. my pleasure.
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- So please keep praying for every hostage to get release
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- That this deal would hold, through these tumultuous weeks.
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- And please keep praying,
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- For the protection of the israeli people
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- And a clear path forward with the palestinians.
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- Because that's just not clear to me,
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- How we help them in the stage ahead.
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- Hey, i want to encourage you
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- Thank you so much for watching the rosenberg report.
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- Have a great week.
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- As you walk with the lord and in the power of his spirit.
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- And lord willing,
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- I'll see you next week right here on the rosenberg report.
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