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Sekulow | Sekulow - Charlie Kirk Letter Released | October 15, 2025

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- welcome to "sekulow."
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A letter that had caused a lot of stir
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And a lot of controversy of what was gonna be said,
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That was from charlie kirk, just from a few weeks ago,
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To benjamin netanyahu.
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Now, benjamin netanyahu had referred to this letter
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And pulled out some selective quotes.
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And a lot of people, sadly, on the right,
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Questioned not necessarily the authenticity of those quotes,
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But that you were getting the full picture.
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But the full letter was released.
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And what this letter really showed was that,
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Look, i don't wanna put words into anyone's mouth,
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But if you read this multi-page letter from charlie kirk,
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It lays out a pretty specific plan
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About how to get the american people
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Back on the side of israel
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As he saw that there was an issue coming,
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Which we all have said, by the way, for years,
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That israel fails on the pr battle.
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And this is precisely what he wanted.
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And when you actually read this,
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I don't think there is a second in here
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That makes you consider whether-
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- i think i've said all of this on air before.
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- yeah, same.
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That he is wavering from his support of israel.
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- different times in history
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Of different conflicts israel's been in
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Because we've represented israel's position to icc.
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- [logan] always talk about it.
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- we've always talked about there's a difference
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In how israel gets the two days of the world saying,
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"yes, what happened to you is bad, and the rockets,"
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And then they respond like any other sovereign nation
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And the whole world then starts to condemn them.
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But i wanna just read the first part of the letter
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Because of all these other influencers, i'll name 'em out,
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Candace, tucker, they were all saying
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This letter was gonna be, "oh, he was moving away."
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Let me read you the first paragraph.
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Let me ask you if you think candace
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Had no idea what this letter was or just lying,
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Tucker as well.
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"dear mr. prime minister,
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One of my greatest joys as a christian
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Is advocating for israel
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And forming alliances with jews
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In the fight to protect judeo-christian civilization.
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Most recently, i'm proud to taken over
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Ambassador huckabee's show on tbn where,"
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And i will tell you,
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'cause i've been on that show a number of times,
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And now he's the ambassador to israel,
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"where we continually support israel and the jewish people.
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As muhammadism spreads,"
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And that's of course radical islam, "into western societies,
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It's critical that jews and christians
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Stay united in the effort to contain
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And roll back radical islam and sharia law."
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Here's the part that we've been talking about
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That candaces and tuckers try to jump on,
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Is he was moving away from israel.
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It's the opposite.
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"i regret to report that anti-israel and antisemitic trends
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Are at record levels on social media.
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These negative sentiments then flow downstream
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Into college campuses
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And even seep into the conservative maga community."
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He goes on to say, "basically, we need more support.
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We're gonna still wave your flag-"
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- let's create a coalition. let's keep people behind it.
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We'll break this more down when we get back,
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But this totally undoes a narrative.
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- that's just paragraph one.
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- yeah, this totally undoes a narrative
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That was being spun by sort of the far right,
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What they call 'em the woke right,
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I guess what you'd say influencers,
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That were coming at this.
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And look, some of them are very popular.
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And i see in the comments,
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People are questioning even the authority of this letter.
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Now, of course, we've checked a lot of sources
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Have reported that this is accurate,
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That this is coming from real sources here.
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- nobody said this isn't real-
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- [logan] no one has said it isn't real.
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- they would've come out immediately if it wasn't.
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- and i think this is a moment where we need to go,
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"okay, question your sources," sure,
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"but question also what you're hearing."
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'cause, again, if you listened to charlie kirk's statements
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Or something like that they were taking
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In and out of context,
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Whether that's on megyn kelly,
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Whether that was on candace owens,
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Whether that was, or about from candace owens,
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Or from tucker- - pieces of these statements.
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- sure, conversations were happening,
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But here's this letter that kinda proves the opposite.
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The pr battle for israel has always been very tough.
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Israel does a lot of things good,
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But they have really stunk
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In terms of getting the mainstream media
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And to getting influence everything
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To understand what they're doing
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And why what they're doing is right.
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We have said that, we have preached that gospel
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For years and years and years,
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And tried to help as much as we can.
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But you know what?
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It actually is that little bit
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Of a language barrier that happens.
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We'll be right back.
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- of course, we're also talking
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About president trump and netanyahu.
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They released what would be their plan,
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And their plan, we talked about it.
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And it seems to be getting more traction
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Than maybe we were gonna potentially give it credit for.
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It seems like that we're headed towards some form of deal.
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- we got big news out of the palestinian authority.
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The palestinian authority is welcoming this deal.
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And part of this deal requires the palestinian authority
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To basically stand down as well.
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Now mahmoud abbas, who leads it, is 89.
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We looked it up.
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He looks decent for 89.
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He's billions of dollars in corruption.
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He can go to dubai.
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He could probably stay in the west bank if he wants.
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But what they're saying is new leadership
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After that international community,
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Remember tony blair's been doing this
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For two or three decades.
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So he's got a lot of trust on both sides.
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- and he's not a young man either.
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He's in his 70s. - and they're saying,
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Although it's not gonna be much of an israeli component,
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It's gonna be mostly all arab countries.
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- [logan] yeah. - so the citizens of gaza,
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The people in gaza and the west bank,
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It isn't like israel's gonna be, it's the opposite.
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Israel's gonna immediately withdraw
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If you accept these terms.
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And all they really have to do is stop fighting,
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Give us back the people who are alive
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And the bodies that you've got,
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And you're not gonna be killed,
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You're not gonna be arrested.
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And the prisoner release
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Is an unbelievable concession by israel.
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So if you don't think that prime minister netanyahu,
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All those people who say he's a warmonger,
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And all those conspiracies about jews,
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If he's willing to release that many hardened killers
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To get to peace for the children of gaza,
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That's not a hardened hater of-
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- [will] genocidal maniac. - no.
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- there's a lot of people posting yesterday,
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And i'm pretty, you know, connected to that world
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Of sort of the zionist influencers, if you will.
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And a lot of them were just sort of like, "you know what?
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If this is what it takes, this is what it takes."
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And most of 'em were not happy with the-
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- [jordan] of course not.
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- with a lot of the concessions, including me-
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- [jordan] that's concessions.
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- but they go, "if this is what it takes to end it
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And to get the hostages home."
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What they were showing a lot
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Was a lot of people saying, "say no to this,"
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They're showing the other side saying, "say no to this deal.
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This deal's not a good deal.
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You're not getting what you want here."
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It's like, "oh, so really it wasn't about the children.
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It really was about, you know, hamas and destroy israel."
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- you can demilitarize gaza and the west bank,
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Which has some still pockets of very radical,
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I mean, areas where if you went in as an israeli,
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It's different terror groups, but they're there,
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And they'd kill you.
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- well, in the last couple of days,
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They actually found a munitions factory in the west bank
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That was owned by hamas.
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But once again, that's under the control
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Over the oversight of the palestinian authority.
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- kind of, because jenin and some of those places,
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I think hebron as well, like the palestinian authority
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Basically can't even go in. - [will] right.
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- the times i've been in the west bank,
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When hamas was coming up,
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When they took control of the gaza strip,
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The police in the west bank for the palestinian authority,
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Who have a good working relationship
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With israeli police forces, they were all masked
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Because of the same concerns
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Like our ice agents have here right now.
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Which is that there's enough hamas operatives
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Walking around that if they're unmasked,
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They're gonna be killed- - [will] right.
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- in the place they're protecting.
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So i know there are very good and great palestinian people
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Because i've worked with them my entire career.
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And i've been praying for a moment like this.
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I wish it didn't take so much loss of life
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And horrible attacks on october seventh
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And then the war that followed
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To get to even this discussion.
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But the fact that the palestinian authority
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Is saying this looks pretty good, i mean, all-
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- what happens though to the hamas?
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I mean, i know they're saying, yes,
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They have to say i'm not gonna be violent-
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- well, there's gonna be an international force there that-
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- okay, but it just feels like.
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- [jordan] of arabs. - yeah, true.
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But it does feel a bit pipe dreamy.
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- but remember that international force is there
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Until they're demilitarized.
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- [logan] yeah.
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- but it won't be jews or israelis, idf fighting back hamas,
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It will be arab countries.
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It'll be kinda like a un peacekeeping mission
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Made up only of people who speak the same language
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And follow the same faith.
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- yeah, and i'm hoping that this is a moment
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Where the tide turns,
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When you have the letter from charlie kirk coming out
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That kind of debunks the narrative that was out there
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Saying that he was getting pressured
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To really turn on israel, not even pressured,
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That he wanted to turn on israel,
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Which is what they were saying,
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That he was getting pressured not to.
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When you have this full-fledged letter,
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Which then we can break down even more,
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And then you have this really a very moderate agreement
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Coming out of israel, one that you could say is,
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Like i said, it has a lot of concessions in it.
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It kind of starts changing that narrative.
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And i was watching the "house of david" last night,
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I was watching that, and it's like,
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"man, this has been goin' on, you know,
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For thousands and thousands and thousands of years,
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You know, in the fight for israel's safety."
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And i know some people will argue with me
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And say different israel, different time.
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But you know what, when you look at the struggles
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That were going on, even then, not so different.
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Not so different at all.
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- well, and when you go back to this letter,
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One, it debunks what some of the conservative influencers,
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Like candace and tucker, have been lying about
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Or making up about that-
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- [logan] or they're wrong, yeah.
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- one that, you know, he was changing his mind.
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No, this entire thing is actually how to combat
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The rhetoric coming from some of these influencers
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That have turned their back on israel
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And play into these wild thousand-year-old
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Anti-semitic tropes and conspiracy theories.
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- that's the thing is they haven't just turned
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Their back on israel or said, "you know what,
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That's not an issue i care about anymore.
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I'm america first.
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I don't care about what goes on
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In israel and the middle east."
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That is one thing.
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And i'm not for that either,
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But i can at least say that's it,
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That is saying i no longer want to be affiliated
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With this political issue, war, and these kinds of things.
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It's when they start adding in all of the tropes
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And all of the conspiracy theories
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And all the things that don't just loop in israelis,
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That loop in the jewish people as a whole.
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And look, and i will tell you
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From just the content i've seen,
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And i've seen quite a bit from them,
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It's not that, we're not, you know, bloviating here,
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That the right, this sort of extreme right,
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Was starting this process and looping it in,
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Lumping it in with a lot of their issues with immigration,
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A lot of issues with a lot of things,
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Support of israel started coming in.
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- had to come out and say, "we didn't kill charlie kirk."
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- [logan] yeah. - and in fact,
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Charlie kirk, how many visits he had made,
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He talked about this letter,
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The support, how he was trying to help israel, i mean...
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And people said he was trying to steal the moment.
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No, he only had to do that
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Because of a bunch of people with huge microphones
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And the us were blaming jews for killing charlie kirk.
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And specifically netanyahu-
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- and then gaslighting the american people
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Or their audience when, "oh, why would he say that?
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Why would he have to come out and say that?"
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No one was saying that.
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It's like, "yes, you actually were inferring that.
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You directly were."
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And this is a part, i think,
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Once again, it goes to what you and jordan
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And everyone at the aclj has said for a long time
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On this broadcast and in our work with aclj jerusalem,
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About israel needing to find a better way
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To present themselves to the world,
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Especially to the american audience.
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But this even pushes back that, you know,
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That the israelis were trying to buy him.
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That's been a narrative that's been pushed disgustingly
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After his death and assassination.
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But it says, he gives some examples
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Of things he's hearing at his events
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From conservatives that are coming to his events.
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And then he says, "above are just a sampling
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Of the negative israel/jewish comments
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And questions i confront on college campuses.
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I am accused of being a paid apologist for israel
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When i defend her."
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Does that sound familiar?
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And then, "however, if i don't defend
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Israel strongly enough, i'm accused of being antisemitic.
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I know you've got a seven-front war
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And my kvetching pales in comparison.
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- [jordan] and this is a guy (indistinct).
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- "but i'm trying to convey to you-"
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- because dennis prager
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Played a huge role in his life, yeah.
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- but he says, "but i'm trying to convey to you
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That israel is losing support even in conservative circles.
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This should be a five-alarm fire."
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And then instead of saying,
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"so you deal with it, i'm outta here,"
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He gives, this is a seven-page letter, examples and plans.
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"i know these are unsolicited recommendations,
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But my team and i suggest this to you
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If you're open-minded about a communications reset."
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Starts giving him a playbook
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Of how to speak to american conservatives.
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'cause, as you mentioned,
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Sometimes it gets lost in translation
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When you're trying to speak
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To an american conservative audience.
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And unfortunately, some people with big platforms
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And big microphones, as jordan said,
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Are gonna tell lies to get their point across
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And their dollars.
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- and people think apac does this.
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The apac plays very down the middle,
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It's a bipartisan group,
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To just try and keep us support from israel
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By both republicans and democrats.
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They're not the right group to be doing this
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For a specific conflict.
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What he's saying is we need,
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Which conservatives, we've always known,
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It's why we have cpac,
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It's why we have the leadership institute,
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Prager's doing the education.
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He was saying, "you need to put together these surrogates,
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Who aren't you, and educate us so we can educate you too
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On messages that will actually resonate
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To the people we're talking to in america."
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- and i want you to understand,
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We've been on those calls and emails
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With people of israel for decades about this conversation.
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This is an ongoing conversation.
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'cause israel somewhat knows they lose this battle.
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It does get lost in translation
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'cause a conservative israeli is very different
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Than a conservative american.
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They have similar political views,
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But it's definitely not one-to-one.
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It's not one-to-one culturally,
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It's not one-to-one socially.
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There's a big difference.
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So you have to figure out how to talk to people.
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- i did wanna read this one part,
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Because, again, this idea that he was somehow
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Criticizing netanyahu instead of saying,
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"no, here's how i think we can actually help more.
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I'm not gonna stop doing it,
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But i think i can do more
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Since i'm getting 50% of my questions
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On israel now at these campus events."
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And he said, "israel never asks for american troops
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Because israel does its own fighting.
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I suggest the same approach for the information war.
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You lead," talking to netanyahu,
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"and people like me will follow."
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That doesn't sound like someone who was reconsidering-
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- [logan] yeah, yeah, it wasn't about-
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- his support for israel
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Or even his support for netanyahu's policies.
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He's not against the war, the conflict.
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He knows that they try to clear people out.
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He knows the human shields.
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As he says, it's that regular people
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Don't even understand what a human shield is.
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- we looked at the multi-point plan,
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We were talking about this yesterday,
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And one of them was the demilitarizing obviously
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And the disarming of hamas.
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Like, is that anything short of just leveling what is left
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Because of knowing how much
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The tunnel systems are and all that?
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I mean, that is the part that's tough.
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- well, and to that point,
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And that is one reason you're gonna end up getting qatar
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And you're gonna end up getting the uae
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And you're gonna end up getting saudi arabia
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All pushing hamas as hard as they can,
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Say, "you better take this,"
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Right, because they will be doing the security force.
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Because-
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- [jordan] let me tell you, they're pretty tough guys.
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- it says, "funding from the arab and muslim countries
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For the new administration in gaza
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And for reconstruction and development of the enclave."
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So once again, this deal that president trump put together-
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- [jordan] remember going- - is very businessman-minded.
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- remember when he was mocked,
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When he said we can make this like another mediterranean?
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- [will] right.
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- you know, if you actually look at the gaza coast
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And you see even tel aviv,
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They've got some even clearer mediterranean water
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That looks more like, almost like the greek mediterranean.
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They have warm water, tons of area for warm water ports
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Just like haifa because they're on the same.
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So much potential, and he was mocked.
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They're like, "oh, put a trump hotel," it's not.
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First of all, we want the muslim world to invest.
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If there was a trump hotel one day in the gaza strip, great.
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You know what that means?
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You, me, when we go to israel,
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We could not only visit the west bank,
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We could actually finally go visit
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Some of our clients that we've represented in gaza,
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And i'd be happy to do so.
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- also just means that the safety
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And security is finally at bay.
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And even during the good times, it was always risky.
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- and israelis would love to do business with gazans.
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Remember so many of those people
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Who were killing those people on the kibbutzes
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Were people the kibbutzes were smuggling across the border
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And working out on their farms and communities.
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That's how they knew how to get there.
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So israelis have never had an issue
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With employing palestinians.
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In fact, i don't know how many come in a day
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From the west bank, but it's like 100,000 plus, so...
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And that hasn't stopped.
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- [will] that doesn't sound like apartheid to me.
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- no, and of course there's many arabs, israelis,
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Inside the government of israel as well, who are muslim.
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And i think, again-
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- [logan] it doesn't flow much the other way.
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- and i think that's okay.
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I think that's okay.
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- to this redevelopment as well that's in this plan
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And why the neighboring countries will be on board.
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You think of the jordans, even the egypts
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That have economic prowess as well to pour in.
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We talk about the issue of,
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Because the un schools have been training
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These children in gaza to become hamas fighters.
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We know that this is the fact.
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It's been hamas propaganda
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That there were teachers from the un schools
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That were participating in october seventh,
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That were harboring the terrorists in their homes,
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That were keeping hostages/prisoner in their homes.
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When you have a complete culture shift
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Where it's redeveloped
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And it gives children that never had opportunity,
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Their only opportunity was,
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Came from what they were indoctrinated with
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From the schools to hate jews and to hate israel,
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As well as no real economic pathway
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To ever get out of wherever they were.
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When there's development and there are jobs
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And there's an actual economy
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And all of the resources coming in
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Aren't being stolen by hamas to be used in terror tunnels
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And to feed their fighters,
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That is a way that people start
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To change their outlook on life
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Because they're no longer, no, it's not easy.
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But once they have an opportunity
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As opposed to only facing death and fighting for hamas,
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Things get a lot different.
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- if major travel hubs are able to open
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And major ports are able to open,
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Those are high-paying jobs,
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Even in those parts of the world.
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So are they hard jobs, tough jobs?
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Yeah, but they're a lot better than having no job
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Or being forced into fighting for a terror group.
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And if you saw a video out of last week,
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If you don't do exactly what that terror group wants,
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They throw you down in the middle of the street,
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Which we had a client that happened to, rami ayyad,
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Who they threw the down in the middle of the street,
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Kick 'em around like they're an animal
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And shoot 'em in the head, and they're laughing about it.
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So i think it'd be very,
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It's gonna be very different, logan,
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When it's not the idf there, but it's the arab militaries
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Because, let me tell you, they get the mindset better
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And those guys are tough.
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So they're not gonna take that.
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- welcome back to "sekulow."
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I wanna kick this segment off, ric grenell's joining us,
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But with a call.
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I wanna go to ann in pennsylvania.
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Ann, thanks for holding. you're on the air.
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- [ann] oh my gosh, thank god.
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Oh, you guys are such a blessing, what you're doing.
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There's so much on my heart,
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And i just wanted to talk about this whole gaza thing,
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What you just recently discussed.
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I totally agree with what the president is doing
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And the situation with gaza.
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I just, with the whole, you know, aspect of people
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In our own party who are actually,
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You know, they're saying things about israel,
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Accusing israel of financial this or whatever that,
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You know, and that somehow,
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But not also, even if that was remotely true,
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But they're not summing it up with,
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"but israel is still our spiritual sister nation," you know,
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"we have always supported israel."
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And then quickly, i also wanted to say,
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With all of this, oh, it's all about just,
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You know, criticizing the government
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And what netanyahu's doing.
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Fine, you have a criticism,
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But don't throw israel under the bus.
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Israel itself has been defending itself
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Against this radical extreme element
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For many, many, many years.
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We could even argue going back hundreds of years-
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- [logan] thousands. - [ann] if not thousands.
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- yeah, ann, absolutely.
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And i think that that has been
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An ongoing thing with the aclj,
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Is we've always been saying that.
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And look, there've been times
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Where there's been governments in place
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That we agreed with more or less in israel,
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But it's not necessarily about that.
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Look, it's similar
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To how you'd feel about your own country, with america.
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Obviously we always want america to thrive,
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Even if it's under, you know, an administration
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That we don't necessarily agree with.
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It's not like we're sitting here wishing for the worst.
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I think that's hopefully how we feel about the entire world.
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We're joined now by ric grenell.
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Ric, there's obviously a lot going on.
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We are talking about that multi-point plan
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That came through yesterday with president trump
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And prime minister netanyahu.
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I wanna get your thoughts.
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- look, this is a classic peacemaker strategy
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From president trump.
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I think he's been frustrated.
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He's articulated that he's been a little bit frustrated
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About not being able to find solutions faster.
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And yet this is a plan that steve witkoff
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And jared kushner have worked very hard on.
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And it's a good solution.
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I mean, hamas would be ridiculous
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To not immediately grab this plan.
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We need to be able to have the united states of america
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Doing diplomacy, bringing people into the room
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Strong-arming people towards peace,
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And this is, i think, a president trump's strength.
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- ric, when you look at the plan
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And you see something that's maybe different.
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And once again you see the president
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Taking different strategies, listening to different people,
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Not the same people within the establishment,
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Diplomacy state that we have here,
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And taking things where the neighboring countries
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Will provide security and do development of gaza
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And things of that nature.
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It has that economic piece
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That i feel like is so lacking
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From so much of our diplomatic work a lot of times.
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A lot of times it's all about preventing war or ending war
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And not the development, the economy.
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And when you see how quickly the arab neighbors,
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That many of which have already signed on
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To abraham accords, are willing to, "yeah, we'll step up.
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We'll do this," it can really change the tone
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And also can put that pressure on hamas
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Because then they've got no one really backing them
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If they don't take this anymore.
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- what president trump has been very good at
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Is focusing on how do you get the people to support it.
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It's not really the politicians are always people
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Who just go along with what the people want.
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And so appealing to the people about economic development,
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Future peace, jobs, the economy, their family, hope, right,
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Being able to give a job to somebody
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Means giving hope to the family.
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And i think that's what president trump does really well.
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I saw him do it firsthand with kosovo and serbia.
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We've seen it in rwanda,
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And the drc when you talk about mining
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And critical minerals.
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That's about jobs, that's about economic development.
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That's just not asking one side to like the other
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Or to issue a statement that you're gonna get along.
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That's all politics and words.
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Economic incentives, jobs, hope for the family,
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That's what's gonna move people to support peace plans.
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- you know, ric, i actually wanted to read
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From the palestinian authority statement that they issued,
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Which we know this is their official news agency, wafa news,
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And they said, quote, "they welcome
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President trump's sincere and determined efforts
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To end the war in gaza,
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And that they have affirmed our desire
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For modern democratic and non-militarized palestinian state
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Committed to pluralism and the peaceful transfer of power."
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So right there you've got,
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You know, the palestinian authority,
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One half of this puzzle, on board.
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And i think, ric, a lot of that has to do
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With the fact that israel said,
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"it's not gonna be us occupying
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And kind of making sure that hamas demilitarizes,
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It's going to be fellow arabs and muslims in a joint force,"
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And the palestinian authority is ready to move on it.
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- well, this is where the regional players,
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Egypt, jordan, and others, really have to step up
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And put pressure on the palestinian authority.
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You know, my first thought is i'm wondering
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If abbas issued that statement from paris,
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Where he's been sitting.
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The palestinians have had, you know, a leadership
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That was elected in 2005 to a 5-year term.
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So i don't have great faith in the palestinian leadership.
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I think that's part of the problem.
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And so we really need to have the regional players step up.
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But, again, you can't do that and just talk about politics,
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You gotta talk about hope and economic development
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And why families are gonna wanna embrace this
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Because it is, you know, gonna be an economic plan
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That's gonna allow them to stay in the neighborhood,
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In their home for future generations
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Because they're able to, you know, have a job
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And support their family.
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Sekulow - Charlie Kirk Letter Released

October 15, 2025 | 29:45

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