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June 3, 2026 | 26:22

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Sekulow | Sekulow - Disturbing On-Air Attack Against Mike Johnson | June 3, 2026

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- welcome to "sekulow."
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We've got a fascinating one here today, folks,
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Because over on ms now,
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Which, many of you probably didn't see this,
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And i understand you're not watching daily the katy tur show
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Over on ms now,
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But they were talking about this event that happened
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Over the weekend that a lot of people saw,
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The "rededicate 250" event.
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There was a lot of different speakers
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From both in government and outside of government.
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But speaker of the house, mike johnson,
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Made a reference to the declaration of independence,
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And it was so shocking to the host of ms now, katy tur,
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That she had to ask her panel about it.
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And i want you to hear this directly, folks.
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This is in 2026,
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In the year of the 250th birthday of our country,
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This is where we're at.
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Let's go ahead and play bite two.
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- what about this passage from mike johnson,
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Declaring that, "our rights do not derive from government,
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They come from you, our creator and heavenly father"?
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Is this him putting god
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Over the declaration of independence, mckay?
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- well, you know,
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I actually think that idea is not wholly uncommon.
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I mean, the idea that we have certain unalienable rights
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That come from god can be read in a fairly benign way.
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- so right there, first of all,
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The framing of her question,
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"is this him, the speaker of the house,
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Putting god over the declaration of independence?"
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And then even the response,
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Trying to weasel around this and say that,
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"i mean, i think it can be read in a fairly benign way,"
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Because here's what the speaker of the house was referencing
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In the declaration of independence,
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The most famous line of the declaration of independence,
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"we hold these truths to be self-evident
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That all men are created equal,
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That they are endowed by their creator
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With certain unalienable rights.
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Among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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That to secure these rights,
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Governments are instituted among men,
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Deriving their just powers
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From the consent of the governed."
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It is very clear what the declaration of independence says
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And what the purpose of it was.
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It wasn't to read in a fairly benign way.
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It was to push back against the entire concept
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That the only rights you had came from a king.
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That is what the declaration of independence,
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Declaring the independence from the king of england.
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He didn't give them their rights.
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They come from god and god alone,
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And the government is established
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To protect them here on earth.
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We are in a scary time, folks,
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That it's shocking when you hear.
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It's like she'd never heard that line
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From the declaration of independence.
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Is it him putting god over the declaration of independence?
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No. speaker johnson didn't have to do that.
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The declaration of independence itself puts god
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Over the declaration of independence.
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I wanna hear from you. did you hear this before?
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I just played it for you. what are your thoughts?
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We've got a lot to dive in with this topic.
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Was this just a slip-up, trying to make a soundbite,
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Or is this the actual ideology of the left now?
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But i think this goes to show, folks,
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This is why you need the aclj.
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It's why we do this broadcast.
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It's not just the legal work,
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It's also the educational side,
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The explanation through the broadcast.
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But we're needed.
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When you hear things like this,
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And you understand the divide in ideology,
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It's pretty stark.
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We'll be right back.
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- welcome back to "sekulow." this is a head-scratcher.
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Every time i hear this from katy tur on ms now,
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It gets more egregious to hear,
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And just even the tone of it.
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I'm gonna play it again for you if you're just joining us.
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This is about this discussion
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That came about with the "rededicate 250" event
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That happened over the weekend.
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There was obviously a lot of hot takes about that
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From people on social media,
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And clipped out certain moments,
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And, "can you believe this person said this," and whatnot.
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But this one has gotta be the most shocking hot take
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That i've heard.
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This comes from katy tur on ms now,
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And she's talking to mckay coppins,
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Who's a journalist that's been around for a while.
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He's followed and covered trump, really,
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Since the beginning of the trump run for president.
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And this is just their discussion,
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Because it's referencing mike johnson,
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The speaker of the house, talking at this event,
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And pointing out a pretty just obvious,
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Normal statement that, you know, our founders 250 years ago,
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They declared the independence,
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And they said that,
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"our rights don't come from the government,
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They come from god."
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This is not this novel theory
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That mike johnson came up with.
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He didn't create this.
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He didn't, all of a sudden, one day say, "you know,
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What if it's not really the government, it's god?"
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This is the foundation of the united states.
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And here's the discussion that we see on ms now,
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And then i also have a follow-up from it.
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Let's go ahead and play bite two.
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- what about this passage from mike johnson,
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Declaring that, "our rights do not derive from government,
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They come from you, our creator and heavenly father"?
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Is this him putting god
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Over the declaration of independence, mckay?
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- well, you know,
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I actually think that idea is not wholly uncommon.
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I mean, the idea that we have certain unalienable rights
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That come from god can be read in a fairly benign way.
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- so even there,
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Mckay coppins is trying to spin the question and say,
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"you know, i actually think
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That idea is not wholly uncommon."
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It shouldn't be.
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It should be the most common idea in america,
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Even if you have political policy differences.
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The foundational document said,
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"we are done with you, england.
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We are our own nation now,"
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The declaration of independence,
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The unanimous declaration of 13 united states of america.
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"we hold these truths to be self-evident
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That all men are created equal,
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That they are endowed by their creator
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With certain unalienable rights.
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Among these are life, liberty,
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And the pursuit of happiness."
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And it goes on.
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And i mean, it's paragraph two,
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The most famous line of the declaration of independence.
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But she goes on, because you may think,
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"okay, maybe she just didn't have civics class."
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We hear that a lot, you know,
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"we really need to bring back civics in the united states.
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People aren't learning what they need to learn
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About our great country anymore.
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Maybe she just forgot,
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And it was shocking to hear these words
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From the speaker of the house."
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But no, she goes on, even after her panelists, who said,
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"it's not uncommon.
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I think you can read it in a benign way."
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I don't wanna read that in a benign way.
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I wanna read that in the most literal way.
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But let's move on and hear how she followed up
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After he said, "you can read it in a benign way."
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This is bite four.
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- well, in the context of this rally and with mike johnson
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And the movement, and the move toward christian nationalism
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Being more embedded in this culture,
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It's not as benign when you put it into that context.
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I mean, the idea that the rights divine from a higher power,
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You can say that across multiple religions, yes,
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But this is not representing multiple religions.
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- once again, (laughs) i just wanna break this down for you.
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Is that, one, the buzzwords are there,
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They got christian nationalism in the conversation.
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So if you have that on your bingo card,
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You can go ahead and mark that off,
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Because she said it for you.
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But that is the context,
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As we move more toward christian nationalism being embedded
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In this culture,
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As if mike johnson decided to,
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At the "rededicate 250" event,
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Which was a spiritual event
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Around the 250th anniversary of this country,
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As if that was his motivation.
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It's like, (sighs)
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"i'm gonna say some christian nationalist things here."
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He was just reading from the declaration of independence,
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Referencing what should be the foundational truth
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Of this country.
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We do not believe the government gives us our rights.
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And you should be thankful for that,
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Because governments ebb and flow, governments are fickle,
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Governments are political, your rights aren't.
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And that's why we should be so grateful
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That those words exist in the declaration of independence.
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But then she even goes on and tries to say, "yeah, i mean,
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The idea that rights come from a divine higher power,
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That can be true across multiple religions."
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Once again, that's not what the founders were saying.
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And even when you get to the constitution, yes,
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There is a freedom of religion in the first amendment
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That isn't sectarian or delineating between religions,
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But it's very clear what the founders were writing about.
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And it's shocking, but it shouldn't be,
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Because i wanna take you back to september of last year,
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And this was in a hearing in the united states senate,
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Because it's one thing if it's a liberal journalist,
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Right, on ms now.
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Shouldn't be shocking,
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It is shocking, it should be shocking,
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But unfortunately, it is not,
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That that is what is being said there.
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But i wanna take you back.
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This is from virginia, one of those first 13 colonies,
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One of the most pivotal states, commonwealths,
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In the drive for american independence.
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And if you go to williamsburg, or you go to jamestown,
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And you visit these sites,
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The pride of the american founding is still there,
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Even though we've seen the government,
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The state government of virginia, go so far from that.
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And we've talked a lot about that recently in recent days.
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But when you hear this,
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This is from last september
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In a hearing in the united states senate,
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And the speaker is a senator from virginia, tim kaine.
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And he was, once again, you remember,
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Ran on the ticket with hillary clinton,
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To be vice president of the united states.
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This is showing that this is the mindset,
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This is the worldview of the left.
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Let's play bite one.
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- the notion that rights don't come from laws
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And don't come from the government,
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But come from the creator,
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That's what the iranian government believes.
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It's a theocratic regime that bases its rule on shia law,
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And targets sunnis, baha<is, jews, christians,
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And other religious minorities.
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And they do it because they believe that they understand
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What natural rights are from their creator.
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So the statement that,
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"our rights do not come from our laws or our governments,"
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Is extremely troubling.
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- "extremely troubling," the senator from virginia said.
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So, yeah, it's not surprising,
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Because the elected officials,
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The democrats in the senate, believe the same thing.
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They believe this document,
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The declaration of independence, is extremely troubling,
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To quote the declaration of independence
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Is extremely troubling.
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And then you wonder why the fbi,
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Under the biden administration,
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Was targeting people of faith,
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Why they were targeting pro-life activists.
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It's because they don't believe these documents.
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"we hold these truths to be self-evident."
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It's almost insulting to them, to the democrats of today,
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That can't see how self-evident this is.
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This should not be a rational leap for them to take.
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It's self-evident
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That the government doesn't give you these rights.
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They come from god and from god alone.
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And the government is here to protect them,
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To ensure that you're not a run afoul of your rights,
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That governments or people
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Aren't violating those god-given rights.
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And at times,
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We've had to course-correct throughout this 250 years,
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(chuckles) when the laws of the united states
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Did not live up to the words of the constitution
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And the declaration of the independence,
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We've had to course-correct.
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There have been some big violations of the god-given rights
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Throughout our history.
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But the good thing is that we go back to it,
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Not stray further from it,
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And think that it is the government
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That gives us those rights.
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But when you hear this,
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You hear the senator just last year,
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You hear ms now say these things,
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You realize that is why you need the aclj.
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Support us today.
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- welcome back to "sekulow." will haynes here.
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I'm joined now by rick grenell.
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And rick, i wanna play this for you.
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This is katy tur on ms now, hosting her show,
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Talking about what the speaker of the house, mike johnson,
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Had said at the "rededicate 250" event,
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Where he was talking about
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And quoting the declaration of independence.
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But this is bite two, i wanna play it for you,
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And then get into some discussion about this.
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- what about this passage from mike johnson,
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Declaring that, "our rights do not derive from government,
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They come from you, our creator and heavenly father"?
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Is this him putting god
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Over the declaration of independence, mckay?
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- well, you know,
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I actually think that idea is not wholly uncommon.
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I mean, the idea that we have certain unalienable rights
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That come from god can be read in a fairly benign way.
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- rick, you hear katy tur questioning
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If mike johnson's putting god
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Over the declaration of independence,
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As if the declaration of independence itself
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Didn't put god over it.
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But then mckay coppins,
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Trying to spin as desperately as he can,
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That, "it's not an uncommon idea,
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But you can read it benignly."
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I know it's ms now, it shouldn't be unexpected, but i mean,
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Is this really the mindset of the american left right now?
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- [richard] well, look,
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I think that this just shows how out of touch they are.
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They are coastal elites.
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And as someone who lives in los angeles on the coast,
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I have to say,
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They've even lost most of the coastal elites at this point,
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Because i know a lot of coastal elites who are christians,
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Who would absolutely say,
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"of course, god is above the us constitution."
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I mean, this is not a radical idea.
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This is a pretty normal idea.
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Our founding fathers were men of god,
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And they expected people
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To live according to christian principles.
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And i understand that our country is welcoming of others.
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I'm at the forefront of welcoming all people
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To the united states who go through the process legally.
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And there is no test.
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You don't have to be a christian to be an american,
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Of course not.
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But there is no running from the fact
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That our forefathers were absolutely committed christians,
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Who understood that god was in control.
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And this is not debatable.
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And i hope that the left melts down over this.
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I hope that "the new york times" comes
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And starts attacking over this, because they will lose.
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I would love this fight,
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Because politically, it will benefit my party.
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- well, and rick,
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I think that's what's kind of disturbing about it,
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Is that, one, we know that this similar sentiment was stated
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By senator kaine in a hearing last september,
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Where he was shocked that someone that was a nominee
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Before his committee had said basically
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Just what's in the declaration of independence.
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This is the same party
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That is promoting no kings rallies everywhere,
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Forgetting that if it weren't
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For the declaration of independence removing the authority
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From the king and saying, "hey, no, these rights,
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One, they're self-evident,
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Pretty obvious here we have these rights,
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But also that it doesn't come from government,
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It's just protected by government."
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That they're actually arguing the point of kings
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When they try to say government has the supreme
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And final word on the rights of the people.
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But right now, you even see,
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You mentioned you're from california,
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There's a fight going right now for the mayor of la,
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Where someone who is pushing back on this notion
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Of the government controlling everything,
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Because when they do, they mess it up.
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You see spencer pratt rising in awareness,
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Has a very clever campaign that he's running,
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Which seems to be a very shoestring campaign,
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But he's making sense,
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Because he's pushing back on what has been so long
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Of government supremacy within the california system.
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But you also couple that with seeing
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That harmeet dhillon at the doj has charged someone,
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Come to a plea agreement
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With someone who was doing the type of election fraud
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That we all say is happening in places like california.
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But the left says,
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"if you point that out, you're dangerous to democracy."
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This individual was paying people to register to vote.
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It's illegal to do that.
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So when you look at california,
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Is it kind of the petri dish or the microcosm
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That tells us the way that these fights
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Are gonna kind of spread out across the country?
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- [richard] look, let me give you another analogy.
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This is the tip of the iceberg in california.
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We've been saying for years that our voter rolls are a mess,
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And they become messier when you don't allow there
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To be voter id.
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When you ban voter id, you're encouraging this behavior.
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And so we're gonna have voter id on the ballot in november
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In california, and i hope that this is the prime example.
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But let me also be clear to my friends on the left,
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This is not a one-off, this is a, finally,
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Someone-is-looking-at-the-problm situation,
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Because we haven't had the media focus on this issue,
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We haven't had prosecutors, law enforcement officials,
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No one has been looking at this.
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But bill essayli,
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Who is the us attorney in la, is, i think,
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Arguably the best us attorney that the country has.
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He has gone after the homeless scam money.
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He's now going after this election voter-roll fraud.
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We've known it's been there.
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We have a massive voter roll problem.
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California has been sued and lost multiple times
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Because they don't clean up their voter rolls.
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And then you put
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On top of that not cleaning up your voter rolls
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And not requiring proper identification
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Or checks and balances,
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You literally create a system where people cheat.
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And i'm sorry to be that blunt,
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But this is so obvious in california,
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And more people should be prosecuted.
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This is just the tip of the iceberg.
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- let's go to anne from pennsylvania,
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Who's an aclj champion, calling on line three.
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Anne, you're on "sekulow."
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- [anne] will, thank you so much.
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Thank you for that very, very brilliant analysis.
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You were preaching. keep on preaching, dude.
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You are the best. you guys at aclj are the best.
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I'm not gonna stop saying it.
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Okay, so you know what? this katy is absurd.
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Her comment is completely absurd,
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Because she's speaking
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As if the declaration of independence, in and of itself,
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Already doesn't declare that our rights come from god.
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So what the left is going through,
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I truly believe, is an exorcism.
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There is a spiritual exorcism taking place with the left,
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Because they have always denied our rights.
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And our rights absolutely come from god.
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And i could go on about that.
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But one more quick thing,
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I wanna let people know once and for all,
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The separation of church and state
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Is not in the united states constitution.
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It is in a letter from thomas jefferson
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To the danbury baptist church,
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Promising that the government shall not infringe
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On the rights of christianity.
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And one more quick point, and also declaring
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That we do not have an establishment of religion.
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Well, we don't.
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As we can see, there is no establishment of religion,
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Because even though our country
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Is founded on judeo-christian principles,
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Other religions have freely practiced in this country.
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So the left is just completely inside out on one side,
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The evil side.
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And they've shown it for years.
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And they have been assaulting christians and jews
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And so many other entities in so many different ways
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For so many years.
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And it's because of the aclj that i am so grateful.
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I am so, so grateful.
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- anne, thank you so much for your kind words
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And your support,
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More than anything, as an aclj champion.
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What we couldn't do, this broadcast,
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We couldn't do any of the legal work
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Without champions like you,
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With single one-time donors as well.
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Champions are monthly donors on a recurring basis.
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You said it, you forget it,
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You don't have to worry about it,
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But you know that you are contributing to this fight,
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Because, as anne even said,
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The letter to the danbury baptist,
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Everything was trying to protect people of faith
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From the government.
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The wall of separation line was about saying,
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"hey, because of our founding documents,
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You don't have to worry
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About government corrupting the church,"
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Like they saw in england, the church of england.
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Everything was within that context,
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Of pushing back against what the monarchy had done,
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Where the state was a deity, where it was supreme.
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That is the foundation of this country.
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(chuckles) even the words, that's what i keep going back to,
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In the declaration of independence,
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That, "the truths are self-evident."
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It shouldn't have to be profound what they're saying,
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But it was, it was a revolutionary idea.
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And it shows that it's still a revolutionary idea,
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Because those that are the elites, that get status,
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That get eyeballs,
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Even though sometimes that declines
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And declines when you're ms now,
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They don't want the truth.
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So they try and throw pejorative terms
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Like christian nationalist.
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It's concerning in this context, 250 years later.
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Don't fall for it.
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Sekulow - Disturbing On-Air Attack Against Mike Johnson

June 3, 2026 | 26:22

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