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Sekulow - FBI Makes A Huge Arrest

December 17, 2025 | 23:17

Sekulow - FBI Makes A Huge Arrest
Jay Sekulow speaks about the protection of religious freedoms in America.
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Sekulow | Sekulow - FBI Makes A Huge Arrest | December 17, 2025
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  • - the fbi makes arrest in a january 6th pipe bomb case.
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  • Welcome to sekulow.
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  • Great show lined up for you today.
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  • Will haynes in studio with me.
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  • The big news out of washington, d.c.
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  • It's happening right now
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  • Is there has finally been an arrest after years now.
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  • I mean, it is.
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  • January 6th was quite a while ago.
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  • - just shy of a month. - five years?
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  • - from five years, yeah.
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  • - five years ago, and there finally has been an arrest
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  • In that pipe bomb case,
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  • Which has been something that a lot of you have brought up
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  • Over the years,
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  • And there has not been what we've seen, a lot of movement.
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  • But now, of course, you have a new president.
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  • You have a new fbi.
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  • There is not only movement within the first year.
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  • There has been an arrest, and currently right now,
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  • They're actually showing live footage
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  • Of fbi activity at the home of the suspect.
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  • So we know this is all happening in real time right now.
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  • Again, someone who has been free
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  • For close to five years now, since planting those bombs.
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  • We'll talk about it a little bit later
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  • With more interesting information,
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  • 'cause we also have bites coming in
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  • From dan bongino, sound bites, and also from kash patel.
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  • So you'll hear from them as well, will,
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  • But what do we know about this?
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  • - what is being reported right now
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  • Is that a suspect, brian cole of woodbridge, virginia,
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  • Has been arrested by the fbi
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  • In connection with those pipe bombs
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  • That were placed at both the dnc headquarters
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  • And the rnc headquarters in washington, d.c.
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  • They were allegedly placed there
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  • The night before january 6th at these places.
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  • And one of the big questions
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  • Has been something plaguing the prior administration
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  • Because nothing happened about this.
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  • And at the time, kamala harris herself
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  • Spoke in front of the dnc on january 6th
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  • While these devices were there.
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  • They were not found by secret service.
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  • They were found after she spoke,
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  • And they were placed the night before.
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  • It's been something that,
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  • Especially within the conservative world,
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  • Of like, hey, you spent so much time
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  • Focusing on the january 6th riot,
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  • But there was an alleged terrorist,
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  • Someone who placed weapons of mass destruction, pipe bombs,
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  • The headquarters of the two major political parties
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  • In the united states, and you did nothing on it?
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  • They had footage of the individual.
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  • They had all the resources of the federal government,
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  • And they did nothing.
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  • So there's been these questions.
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  • It's led to a lot of conspiracy theories
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  • About a coverup and why nothing had been done.
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  • We know this was a promise of kash patel and dan bongino
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  • When they took over at the fbi.
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  • They have been, kash patel was confirmed in february,
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  • Late february, so he's about nine,
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  • Just shy of 10 months on the job.
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  • And what we're looking at now
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  • Is an arrest of an individual from virginia,
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  • And we're expecting an arraignment today
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  • Of this individual around 1 p.m. eastern time.
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  • - that's right, and phone lines are open for you.
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  • What do you think about this?
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  • Heading towards nearly five years
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  • Since this moment happened, but now the fbi is there
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  • And doing the job that you want them to do.
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  • We're also gonna be talking with cece heil,
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  • Senior attorney here at the aclj,
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  • A little bit later about a new aclj case
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  • Where a preacher was handcuffed, detained,
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  • And banned from a public bus terminal for sharing his faith.
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  • We're gonna discuss that coming forward
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  • A little bit later in the show,
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  • And of course, we wanna hear from you,
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  • - you know, it feels strange to be talking
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  • About a january 6th breaking news item
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  • Five years after the events.
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  • Obviously we have gone through a lot as a country,
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  • Whether that was through the pandemic
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  • Or of course the biden administration
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  • And now the second trump presidency.
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  • But this was one of those issues, as will said,
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  • Spurred a lot of conspiracy theories.
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  • We kind of haven't heard anything about it
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  • Over the last five years.
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  • Even bringing it up felt awkward
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  • When i saw this press release that came out this morning.
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  • But it's a big moment where they feel like
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  • They have arrested the proper person,
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  • The suspect in this bombing or in this attempted bombing
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  • During the january 6th protests.
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  • The person was in woodbridge, virginia,
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  • Which is not very far from washington, d.c.
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  • You're talking about within an hour.
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  • You drive through it very often.
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  • I'd spent some time in woodbridge.
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  • This is essentially just maybe a little outside of a suburb.
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  • So they didn't have to go far
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  • To find the perpetrator of this
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  • Who has been clearly hanging out
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  • In this area for five years.
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  • Probably thought at this point had gotten away with this.
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  • And never would have probably thought five years later,
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  • I think when you probably hit two years, three years,
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  • You're like, "i don't think i need to lay low anymore.
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  • "i'm probably good."
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  • But no, you have a new fbi in town
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  • Maybe that are actually doing their jobs
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  • And this is what happens.
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  • You get an arrest in this moment.
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  • Of course, if you don't remember,
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  • These were bombs that were planted the night before
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  • On january 5th, found later on.
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  • These were not all, i mean, they were homemade,
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  • But these were not dummies.
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  • - right, the fbi during the christopher wray tenure
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  • Even called them viable pipe bombs.
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  • So this wasn't a hoax.
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  • It wasn't something to just scare people.
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  • - they didn't just plant a bag.
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  • - they were viable explosive devices that were homemade.
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  • And what you have to remember here
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  • Is that there was initial outrage.
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  • There was a $500,000 reward offered.
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  • This was something that there was grainy
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  • Surveillance footage.
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  • They had imagery of this individual placing it.
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  • And even democrats at the time were saying,
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  • "this is an outrage in all of the stuff
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  • "that went on that day."
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  • But the mystery that unfolded
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  • Was that they offer a large reward for this suspect.
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  • They apparently open an investigation
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  • And then for four years did nothing on it.
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  • And it wasn't as if people were just silent,
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  • Like, "oh, well, i guess the person got away."
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  • People on the right in the conservative sphere,
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  • Including now deputy director of the fbi, dan bongino,
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  • Continually press this issue.
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  • They said there was an attempted terrorist attack
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  • On the two headquarters of the two main political parties.
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  • One of which the dnc had at the time,
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  • Vice president elect kamala harris speak that day
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  • In front of the headquarters.
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  • The secret service didn't find this device.
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  • It was found later.
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  • But all of these things open up this big can of worms
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  • Of what happened, why did they make no progress?
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  • And that was one of the things that kash patel
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  • And dan bongino both said,
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  • "we are going to get to the bottom of this."
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  • - yeah, i wanna play a soundbite.
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  • This is a flashback just from this past may
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  • Where they brought this up specifically.
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  • This is dan bongino on fox and friends saying,
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  • "look, we know that this is one of those
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  • Open-ended question mark, not closed cases at this point.
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  • And we're gonna try to make sure people understand
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  • That we need to rebuild trust in the fbi."
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  • Let's take a listen.
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  • - we had to fix it and rebuild public trust.
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  • One of the ways to do it is these cases
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  • Of significant public interest that matter.
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  • You know, we had two pipe bombs planted on january 6th.
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  • I mean, we were told by partisan actors out there,
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  • This was the insurrection, the world was gonna fall apart
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  • And no one seemed to show any interest in this case.
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  • The second we got in, i put a team on it
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  • And i said, "i want answers on this."
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  • And i'm pretty confident that we're closing in
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  • On some suspects.
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  • - of course, it brings that up just a handful of months ago.
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  • And now here we are.
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  • Is this something that helps restore the trust in the fbi?
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  • Because in what plays out who this individual is,
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  • What their motivations were,
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  • It may be that they were a crazy person
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  • That had no political motivation.
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  • It could be that they were very politically motivated.
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  • We will hopefully find that out.
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  • And i assume we will through the course of a trial
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  • As they've arrested this person now.
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  • But what was so shocking is that this happened,
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  • An act of terrorism, regardless if they blew up or not,
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  • Which they thankfully did not.
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  • I think that everyone should be thankful
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  • That two bombs did not blow up that were viable
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  • That could have maimed or killed many people.
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  • But the partisan aspect of the fbi, for some reason,
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  • Shifted away from two bombs placed in washington, dc
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  • And focused only on people that participated in the riot.
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  • The visuals were not as fun.
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  • It probably wasn't as easy
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  • 'cause you couldn't just clearly see
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  • And identify who these people were.
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  • It was very easy to identify
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  • Who a lot of the january 6th rioters were
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  • Because there they were.
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  • There were their faces.
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  • They, you know, we have facial technology.
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  • It wasn't that hard to find.
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  • Some were celebrities for that matter.
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  • So it certainly wasn't near as fun to go after what was this
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  • Which could have caused severe damage, severe chaos.
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  • What brings me a lot of hope is that
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  • There was some honesty and truth
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  • Coming from dan bongino and the fbi publicly months ago.
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  • You know, they gave you a little bit of an inside scoop
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  • Of what was happening, what they were working on
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  • And now we see the fruits of that labor.
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  • That is not how things felt like the last decade or so
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  • Where we didn't really know what was going on
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  • And occasionally you'd have a raid
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  • Or you would have a, you know,
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  • Something like that would happen
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  • And you'd wake up to these moments.
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  • No, he actually gave pretty fair warning back in may.
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  • I mean, look, this guy, if he is end up being the person
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  • And you heard back in may that they were on your tail,
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  • You think you'd be getting out of woodbridge.
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  • - well, and here's where the distrust in the fbi,
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  • I think under the previous administration
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  • Eroded even further
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  • And showed that they were more interested
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  • In partisan action,
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  • Going after individuals that they could politically target
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  • At the end goal was to damage the reputation
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  • And future political viability of president trump
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  • Is because what some of the reporting is
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  • A lot of this evidence that they collected
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  • That led them to this individual, it wasn't new evidence.
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  • The fbi had it back then.
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  • So they could have followed this trail to the logical end.
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  • Instead, what did they focus on?
  • 00:10:16.061 --> 00:10:17.763
  • January 6th, they got a special counsel,
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  • Jack smith, we talked about him yesterday,
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  • Going after sitting us senators.
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  • Why? that's what they wanted to do.
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  • They wanted the political use of the doj
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  • And our system of justice
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  • To go after their political enemies
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  • Instead of tracking down someone
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  • That could have actually killed and maimed many people
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  • With these bombs that were placed
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  • At both the political headquarters.
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  • It is so apparent that the narrative
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  • That would have come out of this
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  • Was not something the fbi was interested in pursuing.
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  • So they did not.
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  • They let it stall out, they moved on
  • 00:10:52.898 --> 00:10:55.467
  • And they pursued all the way to jack smith
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  • Trying to take down president trump
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  • Instead of putting this person behind bars
  • 00:11:00.706 --> 00:11:02.875
  • That is an actual criminal, actual terrorist.
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  • If all these allegations are proven true in court,
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  • That is what we are looking at here today.
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  • It shows the indictment on the christopher wray led fbi
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  • Much more than anything else.
  • 00:11:14.486 --> 00:11:15.888
  • They could have gotten this person and chose not to.
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  • This is a different fbi
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  • And it doesn't fall on deaf ears here
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  • That the administration has been taking incoming
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  • From the media against who?
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  • Dan bongino, kash patel, going after them all this week
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  • With all these silly stories in the media.
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  • We talked about it with rick grinnell yesterday
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  • Trying to discredit them.
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  • And then what did they do today?
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  • They deliver on promises
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  • That they said they were going to do.
  • 00:11:46.018 --> 00:11:48.287
  • - now, of course, there has been like, as will said,
  • 00:11:48.287 --> 00:11:50.155
  • Attacks on dan bongino and on kash patel.
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  • Look, i think anyone in politics,
  • 00:11:52.691 --> 00:11:54.660
  • Anyone who's running our country
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  • Should not be immune to really being dug into
  • 00:11:55.961 --> 00:11:59.832
  • What they're doing, what they're working on,
  • 00:11:59.832 --> 00:12:01.200
  • If it's gonna be what they want.
  • 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:02.701
  • However, as will said, you gotta make sure,
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  • Especially when you're one of those people
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  • Who start sharing these stories,
  • 00:12:05.738 --> 00:12:07.439
  • Sharing these rumors or whatever it may be,
  • 00:12:07.439 --> 00:12:09.642
  • Or causing just a chaos to remember
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  • That some of those actors that are starting that
  • 00:12:11.844 --> 00:12:14.413
  • Are not on our side and they are doing it intentionally
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  • Just to disrupt what's going on in the government.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:12:25.151 --> 00:12:27.186
  • - cece heil's joining us,
  • 00:12:27.186 --> 00:12:28.687
  • A senior attorney here at the aclj.
  • 00:12:28.687 --> 00:12:30.322
  • I always wanna make sure,
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  • Sure we're gonna cover whatever that breaking news is
  • 00:12:31.791 --> 00:12:33.359
  • And why it's important for you to know.
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  • I'll get you all the facts.
  • 00:12:35.227 --> 00:12:36.529
  • But i also, especially during these big months,
  • 00:12:36.529 --> 00:12:38.097
  • Like the month of december
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  • Where we're doing these fundraising drives
  • 00:12:39.331 --> 00:12:40.766
  • And we're really trying to get the word out
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  • About what the work of the aclj
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  • And the good work that we're doing here.
  • 00:12:43.135 --> 00:12:44.670
  • We wanna make sure that when there's something new happening
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  • That we let you know and you get involved
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  • And not only you can support financially,
  • 00:12:48.641 --> 00:12:50.009
  • Of course you should be praying for our team
  • 00:12:50.009 --> 00:12:51.944
  • And for the clients themselves.
  • 00:12:51.944 --> 00:12:53.846
  • This one comes out of, shockingly, i guess you'd say,
  • 00:12:53.846 --> 00:12:56.282
  • 'cause people don't expect to hear it.
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  • You may think this comes out of new york city.
  • 00:12:57.883 --> 00:12:59.285
  • You may think this would come out of chicago,
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  • From los angeles, san francisco.
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  • No, this comes out of houston, texas.
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  • Houston, texas, i guess to paint the picture,
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  • We're in a bus-
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  • - a bus terminal, yeah. - bus terminal.
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  • A public place, there is a person preaching the gospel,
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  • Handing out tracts,
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  • And then, of course, something goes wrong.
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  • - that's right.
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  • This individual has been doing this for two years as well.
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  • This wasn't the first time
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  • They had been out doing this ministry,
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  • And it's not just street preaching, as you think of.
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  • There was also giving out bottled water,
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  • Giving out food, encouraging people, praying with people.
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  • It was a ministry that this individual took on
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  • And did at a bus terminal,
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  • An outdoor, open-air bus terminal.
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  • It wasn't even inside some building
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  • That was unable to be reached
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  • Without getting through security or something like that,
  • 00:13:51.203 --> 00:13:53.539
  • But they were approached by houston metro police,
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  • Ordered to get a permit, placed in handcuffs,
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  • And told them that the terminal is private property,
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  • And while being detained,
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  • Was given a criminal trespass warning,
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  • And the police told him that if he ever came back
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  • To preach the gospel again, he would be arrested.
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  • They didn't issue a citation that day.
  • 00:14:15.794 --> 00:14:17.563
  • They gave a warning, but to this day,
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  • If he were to go back and continue this ministry,
  • 00:14:19.932 --> 00:14:23.169
  • He would be threatened with arrest and criminal citation.
  • 00:14:23.169 --> 00:14:27.106
  • - so, cece, what happens in this situation?
  • 00:14:27.106 --> 00:14:29.875
  • How do we get involved?
  • 00:14:29.875 --> 00:14:30.976
  • Obviously, this is old-school aclj.
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  • This is the work that we've been doing for 35 years.
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  • People may not understand, though.
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  • Bus terminal, where kind of the law lands?
  • 00:14:36.315 --> 00:14:39.852
  • - right, and really, it's interesting
  • 00:14:39.852 --> 00:14:42.388
  • That we are still seeing these cases come through to us,
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  • Because typically, especially when you have
  • 00:14:46.192 --> 00:14:49.395
  • A metro bus terminal, i don't think anyone,
  • 00:14:49.395 --> 00:14:53.866
  • Even the people listening, would think,
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  • Oh, that's private property.
  • 00:14:55.301 --> 00:14:57.002
  • This is government metro bus terminal,
  • 00:14:57.002 --> 00:15:00.506
  • But yet, you have someone
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  • Who's simply been practicing their faith,
  • 00:15:02.241 --> 00:15:04.543
  • Which they're entitled to do,
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  • And the first amendment protects, especially in this forum,
  • 00:15:06.178 --> 00:15:10.249
  • Which is a traditional public forum.
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  • It's well-established constitutional law
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  • That you have the right to sit there and tell your faith,
  • 00:15:16.522 --> 00:15:20.259
  • And yet, he is threatened.
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  • He's arrested.
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  • He's handcuffed, detained, and given a citation
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  • That he will be arrested for criminal trespass
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  • If he ever comes back again.
  • 00:15:30.469 --> 00:15:32.304
  • - you know, logan, you bring up the 35-year history
  • 00:15:32.304 --> 00:15:35.908
  • Of the aclj with a case like this.
  • 00:15:35.908 --> 00:15:38.077
  • The very first case that your dad, jay sekulow,
  • 00:15:38.077 --> 00:15:41.313
  • Argued at the supreme court was back in 1987,
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  • And it was titled the board of airport commissioners
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  • Of the city of los angeles versus jews for jesus.
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  • Why?
  • 00:15:52.124 --> 00:15:53.392
  • Jews for jesus were sharing the gospel,
  • 00:15:53.392 --> 00:15:55.928
  • Handing out information at the city of los angeles,
  • 00:15:55.928 --> 00:15:59.898
  • At lax, at the airport.
  • 00:15:59.898 --> 00:16:01.333
  • - now, this was pre-9/11 times.
  • 00:16:01.333 --> 00:16:03.335
  • You understand, it wasn't-
  • 00:16:03.335 --> 00:16:04.637
  • - there's a little bit of a different era.
  • 00:16:04.637 --> 00:16:05.771
  • - a lot has changed since the '80s,
  • 00:16:05.771 --> 00:16:07.273
  • But yeah, this was a point
  • 00:16:07.273 --> 00:16:08.407
  • Where you'd walk through the airport,
  • 00:16:08.407 --> 00:16:09.908
  • And it was very much like walking through the streets.
  • 00:16:09.908 --> 00:16:12.378
  • - like a mall. - yeah, yeah.
  • 00:16:12.378 --> 00:16:13.612
  • If people would just go to the airport,
  • 00:16:13.612 --> 00:16:14.980
  • And you'd obviously see a lot of different places.
  • 00:16:14.980 --> 00:16:16.448
  • - but what was the case?
  • 00:16:16.448 --> 00:16:18.117
  • The case was they were told
  • 00:16:18.117 --> 00:16:20.252
  • You cannot give out your gospel material.
  • 00:16:20.252 --> 00:16:23.055
  • You cannot share the gospel at this airport.
  • 00:16:23.055 --> 00:16:25.491
  • Obviously, as you mentioned,
  • 00:16:25.491 --> 00:16:27.126
  • The context of what an airport was in the '80s is different.
  • 00:16:27.126 --> 00:16:29.528
  • A lot more like an open-air bus terminal in houston now.
  • 00:16:29.528 --> 00:16:33.999
  • And how did this case come down?
  • 00:16:33.999 --> 00:16:37.102
  • Nine to zero in favor of jews for jesus
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  • To continue that activity,
  • 00:16:41.106 --> 00:16:42.941
  • That they had the first amendment right,
  • 00:16:42.941 --> 00:16:45.277
  • That los angeles could not adopt an ordinance
  • 00:16:45.277 --> 00:16:48.480
  • That banned first amendment activity.
  • 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:50.683
  • We're looking at a very similar situation here,
  • 00:16:50.683 --> 00:16:53.652
  • Which is one of the reasons why we have sent a letter
  • 00:16:53.652 --> 00:16:56.722
  • To the commissioners of houston metro to say,
  • 00:16:56.722 --> 00:17:01.727
  • "look, we don't have to wanna take you to court on this one
  • 00:17:01.727 --> 00:17:05.130
  • "because we've already won it
  • 00:17:05.130 --> 00:17:06.398
  • "all the way at the supreme court,
  • 00:17:06.398 --> 00:17:08.334
  • "but here's what we're dealing with here."
  • 00:17:08.334 --> 00:17:09.902
  • - yeah, and the letter is very detailed on case after case.
  • 00:17:09.902 --> 00:17:13.839
  • Yes, jews for jesus, that was a case that, yes,
  • 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:16.408
  • Jay sekulow successfully argued, nine to zero,
  • 00:17:16.408 --> 00:17:20.279
  • That it is a constitutionally protected right
  • 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:23.549
  • To be able to share your faith in a public forum.
  • 00:17:23.549 --> 00:17:26.485
  • And so we point that out,
  • 00:17:26.485 --> 00:17:28.487
  • We point that out over and over again
  • 00:17:28.487 --> 00:17:29.988
  • Because the supreme court has ruled over and over again
  • 00:17:29.988 --> 00:17:32.491
  • About that right.
  • 00:17:32.491 --> 00:17:33.792
  • And we have given them until december 10th,
  • 00:17:33.792 --> 00:17:36.595
  • They need to retract their criminal trespass warning
  • 00:17:36.595 --> 00:17:41.533
  • That they have against him.
  • 00:17:41.533 --> 00:17:42.835
  • And they need to, in written confirmation,
  • 00:17:42.835 --> 00:17:45.804
  • Verify that they will allow him to continue
  • 00:17:45.804 --> 00:17:48.374
  • To practice his first amendment protected rights
  • 00:17:48.374 --> 00:17:51.210
  • Of sharing his faith at this public bus terminal.
  • 00:17:51.210 --> 00:17:54.480
  • And so hopefully, again, he's been doing it for two years,
  • 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:57.816
  • So you hope that maybe somebody new came in
  • 00:17:57.816 --> 00:18:00.686
  • And just really doesn't know what they're doing,
  • 00:18:00.686 --> 00:18:02.621
  • And hopefully this will be resolved quickly.
  • 00:18:02.621 --> 00:18:04.890
  • - yeah, sometimes it is actually people
  • 00:18:04.890 --> 00:18:06.759
  • Who are trying to do their job,
  • 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:08.093
  • They think, "oh, this can't be allowed here.
  • 00:18:08.093 --> 00:18:09.962
  • "we're gonna go, we're gonna arrest this guy."
  • 00:18:09.962 --> 00:18:11.663
  • Of course, we know that's wrong,
  • 00:18:11.663 --> 00:18:12.931
  • But we don't assume that every police officer
  • 00:18:12.931 --> 00:18:14.833
  • Knows every bit of supreme court settled law.
  • 00:18:14.833 --> 00:18:18.504
  • But in these moments, we have to make sure we're there.
  • 00:18:18.504 --> 00:18:21.740
  • The team has to be there.
  • 00:18:21.740 --> 00:18:22.741
  • They gotta be active.
  • 00:18:22.741 --> 00:18:24.042
  • Look, this is during the christmas holiday.
  • 00:18:24.042 --> 00:18:25.310
  • So right now, there's a whole team of attorneys
  • 00:18:25.310 --> 00:18:26.979
  • That are working,
  • 00:18:26.979 --> 00:18:28.280
  • And we're only a couple weeks from christmas.
  • 00:18:28.280 --> 00:18:29.681
  • So when you support the work of the aclj,
  • 00:18:29.681 --> 00:18:31.383
  • You're also supporting them.
  • 00:18:31.383 --> 00:18:32.684
  • Obviously not just the client,
  • 00:18:32.684 --> 00:18:34.186
  • But you're also supporting this incredible legal team.
  • 00:18:34.186 --> 00:18:35.621
  • - well, and also a lot of times
  • 00:18:35.621 --> 00:18:37.423
  • What the federal government does
  • 00:18:37.423 --> 00:18:39.024
  • And focuses on as far as law enforcement
  • 00:18:39.024 --> 00:18:41.593
  • Has a trickle-down effect,
  • 00:18:41.593 --> 00:18:43.295
  • Where you start seeing major cities
  • 00:18:43.295 --> 00:18:45.397
  • Kind of taking their cues from the federal government,
  • 00:18:45.397 --> 00:18:48.834
  • The fbi.
  • 00:18:48.834 --> 00:18:50.102
  • It ties back to what we're talking about
  • 00:18:50.102 --> 00:18:51.970
  • With this discovery today,
  • 00:18:51.970 --> 00:18:53.939
  • The arrest of the january 6th pipe bomber suspect,
  • 00:18:53.939 --> 00:18:56.842
  • Because the previous administration wasn't focused on that.
  • 00:18:56.842 --> 00:19:01.180
  • They were focused on conservatives.
  • 00:19:01.180 --> 00:19:02.815
  • They were focused on sending the fbi into churches.
  • 00:19:02.815 --> 00:19:05.484
  • They were focused on arresting
  • 00:19:05.484 --> 00:19:07.653
  • At dawn raids pro-life advocates.
  • 00:19:07.653 --> 00:19:10.956
  • They were focused on parents at school board meetings.
  • 00:19:10.956 --> 00:19:14.259
  • So what are you seeing?
  • 00:19:14.259 --> 00:19:15.561
  • Because we've seen an uptick in this activity
  • 00:19:15.561 --> 00:19:17.930
  • Where people sharing their faith are being arrested.
  • 00:19:17.930 --> 00:19:20.265
  • We've had three clients in chicago
  • 00:19:20.265 --> 00:19:22.568
  • That we've had to get out of criminal cases.
  • 00:19:22.568 --> 00:19:24.970
  • We've won for them.
  • 00:19:24.970 --> 00:19:26.104
  • We've had it in new york.
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  • It's happening all over the country.
  • 00:19:27.773 --> 00:19:29.208
  • You're now seeing it in texas.
  • 00:19:29.208 --> 00:19:30.943
  • This is a trickle-down effect
  • 00:19:30.943 --> 00:19:32.611
  • Of the policies of the biden administration
  • 00:19:32.611 --> 00:19:34.880
  • Where they put their focus.
  • 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:36.014
  • And what was their focus on?
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  • Conservatives and people of faith in this country.
  • 00:19:37.382 --> 00:19:40.385
  • And now you're starting to see it in houston,
  • 00:19:40.385 --> 00:19:42.488
  • In chicago, new york.
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  • It's gonna take a while to fight back against,
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  • But that's why we're here and that's why we won't quit.
  • 00:19:46.225 --> 00:19:49.228
  • - let's take a call just to get me back where i'm going.
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  • Let's go to bob in florida.
  • 00:19:51.530 --> 00:19:54.766
  • - [bob] so the fbi and restoring faith,
  • 00:19:54.766 --> 00:19:57.436
  • I don't believe that today's arrest puts trust,
  • 00:19:57.436 --> 00:20:01.740
  • At least for me, back in the fbi.
  • 00:20:01.740 --> 00:20:03.475
  • But what it does do is stop the slide
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  • That the fbi was under in my eyes.
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  • It's going to take more than one arrest.
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  • We have to see how this one pans out.
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  • There are other cases out there
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  • That the fbi has to have similar results,
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  • But before you can do a 180 and start to regain trust,
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  • You do have to stop the slide.
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  • And i think today's arrest goes a long way
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  • To making that turn.
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  • - bob, i think that's a very rational
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  • And well thought out answer.
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  • I think you're probably right,
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  • Which for a lot of people, this is probably not enough,
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  • Mainly 'cause it probably wasn't one of those top stories
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  • Over the last few months.
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  • It wasn't one of those ones that people were talking about,
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  • Saying, "where's the fbi in this?"
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  • This is one that's five years old.
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  • You do start to lose more trust, the more time goes on.
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  • Like i said, this guy likely thought he got away.
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  • Who thinks, especially if you're just staying 45 miles
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  • Outside of washington, d.c.,
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  • That you are not safe in this moment?
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  • But i understand that.
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  • I feel like you're probably right,
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  • Which is it makes you feel like at least
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  • They are starting to chart a right course.
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  • - well, and once again, i think conservatives
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  • Are naturally more skeptical of the government, right?
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  • I mean, it's ronald reagan's famous words
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  • Of the nine most terrifying words
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  • In the english language are,
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  • "i'm from the government and i'm here to help."
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  • So we already have a little bit of a predisposition
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  • To be questioning government,
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  • Whereas many on the left are more openly embracing,
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  • Unless it's donald trump's government,
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  • They want a more bigger controlling government apparatus.
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  • So i think it takes more to get the trust of a conservative,
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  • As well as there's always gonna be a healthy skepticism
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  • Of the motivations and the operations of the government,
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  • I feel like in many conservatives.
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  • But what you are starting to see
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  • Is that they are delivering on the promises.
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  • And as our caller bob just said,
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  • It was that slide down that we saw,
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  • Really that started with james comey,
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  • Who felt like he was above the law,
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  • That he was a branch of government in and of himself.
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  • And you think of the culture
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  • That had to have festered there for so long.
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  • Christopher wray didn't help.
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  • We represented whistleblowers from the fbi,
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  • Marcus allen, garrett o'boyle,
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  • That all they were trying to do is point out
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  • That the fbi is not doing their job.
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  • They're not doing this appropriately.
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  • They are not being the nation's premier law enforcement.
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  • And they got retaliated against,
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  • They got put in a purgatory, so to speak,
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  • Where they couldn't have a job,
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  • They couldn't pay their bills,
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  • But they weren't fired from the fbi,
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  • They weren't being paid.
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  • And these moves by the fbi
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  • That they did on their own people,
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  • As well as on conservatives in this country,
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  • Put a very large distrust in,
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  • At least on the right, against the fbi.
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