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Sekulow | Sekulow - Federal Judges Turn on the Supreme Court | September 17, 2025

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- welcome to "sekulow".
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Let's talk about what this is
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'cause in a rare interview, a bunch of anonymous,
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I guess you'd say.
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- [will haynes] yeah. - judges, of course.
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You know, that's how they gotta do it
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'cause they protect their own butts.
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A bunch of judges saying, you know what, we don't like
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That the supreme court is overruling our rulings.
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How dare they?
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- right, all of a sudden.
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- our partisan rulings are being overrun
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By their partisan rulings.
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- you're seeing 12 federal judges
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That have given an interview to nbc news so that, you know,
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They chose a very fair national news organization.
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And they decided to air their grievances, so to speak,
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And say that they don't like
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What is called the shadow docket of the supreme court.
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That's the emergency docket when the justices are
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Out of session, when things can still be brought
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Before the court on an emergency basis.
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And these aren't merits briefs, these aren't big decisions.
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These are things that are putting on hold,
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Lower court rulings.
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But these 12 judges that decided to go speak anonymously
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To nbc news are saying, hey, this is dangerous
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That the supreme court is doing
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What they have full constitutional authority to do
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Because it could put our lives in danger.
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- and this is what i want to know what from these judges
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Is versus the justices.
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These are lower court judges that oftentimes
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Never get cases even heard
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By the supreme court that they saw.
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That's one thing.
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The second part is, and of course the supreme court
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Can overturn them, but the third part is what will said.
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They're not even overturning or looking at the merits.
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They're saying, you know what?
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You made this decision
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That's gonna stop a national program from going into effect.
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How about we have a case first, let's get the facts.
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Why don't you hear the facts first
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Before you issue a preliminary injunction that could stop?
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Like we talked about those nationwide injunctions,
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That those are unconstitutional,
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That those are not correct under the law.
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And so the lower court judges are basically saying,
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You took our power away
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To act like many supreme court justices.
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Sorry, district court judges.
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- [logan] not how it works.
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- we respect your work, you do a lot
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Of the groundwork and the trial work,
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The hard work that goes into the legal profession.
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But this anonymous group
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Is just wannabe supreme court justices.
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- that was the end game.
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- [jordan] it's bunch of wannabes.
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- there would be no supreme,
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No need for the united states supreme court.
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- that's why they didn't put their name on it.
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You know why they didn't put their name on it?
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Because if they did, they'd never be a nominee
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To the higher court,
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Maybe their district court, maybe their circuit court.
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They certainly would never make it to the supreme court.
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They think they know better than the nine justices appointed
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By the president of the united states.
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That our system doesn't work that way.
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It doesn't matter what they think.
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It ultimately matters what the supreme court thinks about.
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Usually should something be allowed to continue
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Or does it have to stop while we have the case?
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That's it.
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- welcome back to "sekulow".
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I didn't even say this at the beginning.
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I'm in studio, my brother jordan sekulow is in studio
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And will haynes is joining us in studio as well.
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So we got a packed show.
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So will, let's give a little breakdown
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Of what's going on when they see maybe a headline.
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This is breaking, federal judges turn on the supreme court.
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What does that mean?
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Of course, judges have been in the news now
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For all of the trump presidency on this term,
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As we've seen rogue judges do their thing.
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And now those rogue judges are even more upset
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That they're being shut down.
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That they have a supreme court that, not 100% of the time,
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But sometimes is ruling against their politics, if you will.
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- well, and this is specifically referring
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To the emergency docket,
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What is sometimes called the shadow docket
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Of the supreme court.
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This is when the supreme court is not in session.
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The end of their term happened in july.
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They don't come back until october.
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So during this interim period,
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People can still take emergency
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Motions to the supreme court.
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These aren't full merits cases.
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These aren't getting to the real heart of these issues.
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It is basically asking
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For things like a stay on a lower court ruling
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So that the case can be then flushed out
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More within the entire court process.
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And the supreme court has given president trump
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And the administration some what would be called victories
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Of granting a stay
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Or doing something that is in favor of them,
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But they still haven't won the case.
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The case is nowhere close to being over.
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A lot of these things have to do with funding issues.
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Whether the big one
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That was talked about was the department of education.
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There was a block on a lower court ruling
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That stopped them from shifting
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What the department of education looked like.
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But this interview is from
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What they say is a dozen federal judges
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That have voiced their concern to nbc news.
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They claim that they were appointed by both democrat
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And republican presidents
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And they are serving around the country
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And they are concerned
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That the chief justice could be doing more
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To defend the integrity of their work.
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And as well, they are concerned that these rulings,
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That because it's the emergency docket,
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There aren't fully flushed out opinions per se.
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This isn't giving a ruling on the merits of a case.
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They're saying, because sometimes it's as short as
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Because of the procedural rules here.
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- [jordan] yeah. - the stay is granted.
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And that that is giving fuel to the fire of
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What they're claiming are threats against them
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And other issues.
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Jordan, it's kind of shocking to hear federal judges
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Run to the media in such a way like this.
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- about procedural law.
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Like ultimately the court could agree.
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They're not taken off the case by the way,
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When something like this happens.
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So as the case continues
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And they could ultimately come down with a decision
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And it moves on, maybe we're talking about appellate court
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And it moves on to the supreme court.
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And the supreme court ends up siding
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With one of these 12 judges
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That has complained about the supreme court issuing
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Procedural rulings without explanation.
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And again, this is like,
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Should the injunction go into place?
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Should there be a stay?
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It has nothing to do with the fact
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That these judges could ultimately be fully vindicated,
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Probably oftentimes are by the us supreme court.
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And so what they're mad about is
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That the supreme court would even consider part
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Of their procedural decision-making as incorrect.
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- well, and jordan, that's the other issue.
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A lot of them are saying, you know,
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They want more explanation from the supreme court,
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But in some ways that could harm the integrity
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Of the supreme court.
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If they start issuing 30 page opinions
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About a procedural issue.
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And then go into all this rationale.
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One, a lot of times, like you said, these aren't necessarily
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Indicating how the final merits will outcome.
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- [jordan] right.
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- then the supreme court could find themselves in a bind.
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They, during this time when they aren't in session,
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Write something that could then be contradicted later
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When they get into the merits of the case.
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Could also set up a situation where it lowers the trust
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Or integrity in that final ruling
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Because of a knee jerk reaction
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Or something that was written in a longer opinion
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About a procedural motion.
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That wouldn't be the proper way per se.
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Now they have done longer explanations when it's warranted,
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But for the vast majority of these,
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That isn't how it should be done.
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- no, it's not how it should be done.
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And and remember you flip this around, as will said,
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These were judges using procedural law
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To make merits like decisions
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That would stop a program under the trump administration
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If it didn't make it to an emergency
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Docket, which most don't.
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That could effectively stop a program
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For the entire remainder of the trump administration
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Because the case might take a few years to get all the way
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To the us supreme court.
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What the court has done has prioritized cases involving
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Executive power disputes between states
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And the federal government executive,
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And between the separation of powers of course as well
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Inside the federal government.
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But what we're seeing is a lot of state versus trump.
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And so of course those are going to be priority cases
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Because you have to make that decision first procedurally.
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Are you going to allow this program to move forward?
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Do you believe it's more likely than not that
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This could be found to be constitutional?
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And you can differ on that and then you get to the merits
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And say, were we right when we thought quickly
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It might be more likely to be constitutional now
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That we've heard all the case, seen all the record?
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Maybe not, maybe we were wrong.
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Maybe we did miss something.
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That's why the arguments
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And having the cases put out and all the evidence
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In the lower courts is so important for the supreme court
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To ultimately make these decisions.
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But this is just because the court and president trump
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And really the country,
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Have kind of knocked down this idea
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That you as a district court judge
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Get to make decisions for the entire nation.
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- above the president of the united states.
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- right, or above the us supreme court.
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- [logan] right.
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- here's another angle to this as well,
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And this is where i kind of want
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To ding nbc news's journalism on this
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Because it seems like they rushed to print
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What these judges were saying.
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But they write this paragraph,
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Lower court judges are handed contentious cases
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Involving the trump administration.
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They painstakingly research the law to reach their rulings.
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And when they go against trump, administration officials
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And allies criticize the judges in harsh terms.
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The government appeals to the supreme court
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With its 6-3 majority.
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And then it goes on to say
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That one judge said it's inexcusable
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They don't have our backs about the supreme court.
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Where i think nbc news's journalism
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Needs to be ramped up a little bit is
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They should have asked every single one of these judges,
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Did you rush to make a statement when?
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Because you're doing it now, saying
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That this is putting our lives in danger.
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Did you rush to make a statement
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To the media anonymously when chuck schumer said this in
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Front of the supreme court about supreme court justices?
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- i wanna tell you, gorsuch, i wanna tell you, kavanaugh,
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You have released the whirlwind
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And you will pay the price.
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(crowd cheering)
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You won't know what hit you if you go forward
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With these awful decisions.
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- of course we know what then led
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After that, which were death threats, people coming up
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To their homes, people in the streets protesting
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In front of supreme court justices.
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Because all of that was about was the,
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That was the leak, right?
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- well, that, no, that was specifically,
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I think it was prior to the leak,
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But it was while the dobbs case was pending
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And the majority leader of the senate went in front
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Of the supreme court of the united states
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And threatened justices saying, you won't know what hit you.
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And did we hear?
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And i don't know, i genuinely don't know,
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These are anonymous judges.
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But did they rush to the media to make a statement
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And say, this is unacceptable?
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This is a violation of the separation of powers.
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They are threatening, putting undue pressure on.
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And instead what we do see is them rushing to the media here
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To say the supreme court doing
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What the supreme court is constitutionally able
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To do is threatening our lives.
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It just, it's nonsensical that they would rush
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To the media to do this.
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- well, and this is my favorite part of it.
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So an anonymous barack obama appointed judge
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Said that while the supreme court could do more
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To explain itself,
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And certainly there's a strong sense in the judiciary
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Among judges ruling on these cases,
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The court is leaving them out to dry.
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They're partially right to feel that way.
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Listen to this, there's a big but here.
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- [jordan] yeah, i like this one.
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- but, and this is a barack obama appointed judge.
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The whole trump derangement syndrome is a real issue.
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As a result, judges are mad at what trump is doing
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Or the manner he's going about things
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And they're forgetting to stay in their lane.
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So surprise, surprise, a judge
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Who actually signed onto this document just admitted
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That there are too many federal judges who are going outside
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Of their job, their duties
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Because they're obsessed with being opposed
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To everything that is donald trump.
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Because they actually have,
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As this barack obama appointed judge said,
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A case of trump derangement syndrome.
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That's how real it is inside the federal judiciary.
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We know it was real inside the bureaucracy,
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Law school, sure.
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And where do most of these judges come out of?
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Somewhere between the bureaucracy,
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Government, and law school.
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- yeah, i think if you had a lot more judges like that who.
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- [jordan] at least they admit the truth.
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- who will admit the truth,
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Then at least you could say, hey,
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I disagree with you on that point of view,
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But here's the issue we have at hand.
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Look, i don't think anyone would look at the cases
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That have been ruled on the last six months and go,
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At least most of these were not done for political reasons.
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- yeah, and i would also say this,
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Most judges do a great service to their country.
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They're unknown, their names are not known.
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And sometimes they do have to take on controversial cases
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That do make their names known.
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So any kind of violence, always wrong.
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But this idea that somehow the supreme court
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By making decisions on temporary restraining orders
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Is somehow threatening their lives more than a murder case
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That they handle or drug cartel cases that they handle.
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Let's be honest, that's not where the,
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You don't see the judges
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Who unfortunately have been targeted,
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It's by criminals.
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(gentle music)
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(gentle music)
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(gentle music)
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- phone lines are jammed.
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We're gonna take some of those calls here.
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Thanks for everyone who put in the comments
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On youtube where you're watching from.
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I also wouldn't mind you hitting that thumbs up.
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I would appreciate that.
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Let's go to will in tennessee.
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But not the one you're thinking of.
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- [jordan] right.
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- that's other one sitting next to me.
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- [will haynes] uh oh.
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- he's watching on youtube,
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Which i think will is probably too.
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- very fair.
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- whoa, this could be doppelganger.
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- will, go ahead.
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- [will] yes, i was wondering why there is this provision
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In the code of judicial ethics
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That says these judges have a lifetime appointment
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Provided they serve during times of good behavior.
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These judges have to know they're acting ultra vires.
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And why can it not at least be tried
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To get a simple majority
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And fire them for cause based on that provision?
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Why have it if it doesn't have any teeth for enforcement?
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- well, will actually, where it derives from in the code
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Of judicial ethics is from article iii section i
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Where judicial power
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Of the united states shall be vested in one supreme court.
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And in such inferior courts as the congress may from time
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To time ordain and establish the judges,
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Both of the supreme and inferior courts,
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Shall hold their offices during good behavior
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And shall at stated times receive for their services
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A compensation, which shall not be diminished
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During their continuance in office.
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So it's not the code of judicial ethics, jordan,
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That says that they have a lifetime appointment.
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It's from article iii section i that says,
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They shall hold their offices during good behavior.
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- [jordan] yeah.
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- which is obviously not a phrase
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That we throw around like today
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Unless like be on good behavior kids.
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- we understand the idea here of impeachment
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And then what is an impeachable offense.
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It's kind of been, that's been used politically
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When it would come to a judicial nominee
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That i think it'd be easy
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To understand what was going on there.
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And certainly it has when it's happened to lower court
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Judges in the federal system,
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There have been some impeachments there
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Usually involving criminal activity.
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So, you know, something, you know,
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And so pretty straightforward.
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The idea here again though, why do we have this system?
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The system outs, it survives the political
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Party that places them there.
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So this idea that, well, you know,
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President obama put you in.
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So as long as if you're only there
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For the four years he's there, you get a five-year term,
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You're always gonna side with obama
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And everybody's gonna know that
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And you're gonna be kind of under his control.
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The thumb is gonna be on you.
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The idea is that they survive the political process
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So that once those political leaders are gone,
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They don't feel, they even,
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They should never feel that pressure.
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But the pressure even goes down more
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Because they are not even in the idea
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Of the sense beholden to someone for.
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- [logan] who gave them their job.
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- choosing them for this position.
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- [logan] yeah.
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- so it's different than political.
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It's to have consistency
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And it's also to allow people to develop
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That judicial independence from the political system.
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- let's go to candy in georgia watching on youtube.
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Go ahead.
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- [candy] yes.
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The federal judges and schumer are acting like children
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Pulling a tantrum because their parents told them
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They aren't allowed to do something.
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So they're throwing a fit.
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I know from experience
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'cause when i was a child i threw enough of them.
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(candy laughing)
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And that's my comment.
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- and that's a fun comment.
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It does feel like that somewhat, they're just upset
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And someone is calling them on their madness
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And well, yeah, we all got kids.
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- well, i think a lot of the irony here too
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Is that they are complaining
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That their rulings aren't just being taken
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For face value when, one, we know
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That the supreme court had already tamped down
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Some of their power earlier
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With that ruling on universal injunctions.
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Basically saying, hey, you need to stay in your lane.
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You've gone a little bit too far, you've gotten,
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As you would tell your kids, like, you know, you need
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To follow the rules and do what you're supposed to do.
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And here they're like, wait, why don't you just take
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What we say as the rule of law?
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And well, it's because that's not
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How the constitution works.
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The supreme court is established by the constitution,
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These inferior courts as it may be
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Put forward by congress from time to time
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As they see fit.
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But this isn't something that, you know, the district court
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For the eastern district of tennessee is not established
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By the constitution itself.
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- that's right.
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So i think that ultimately here
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When we're looking at this idea of the tantrums,
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The, you know, we're gonna get killed
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Because of procedural issues.
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Whoever thought, you know, someone's gonna get killed
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Over a preliminary injunction?
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The truth is that when you look at the difference,
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President biden and his administration,
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They filed 19 applications in the, you know, this docket.
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- [logan] the shadow docket, it's called.
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- the shadow docket.
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- [logan] yeah. - right.
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Which is really, it's just, it's a time
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Of the supreme court either is not sitting
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And it's procedural matters
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Or someone's usually, you know, it's a death row.
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But because the lower courts have gotten more aggressive
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On trying to stop laws that have been signed
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By the president going into effect
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Or any kind of executive action.
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So the biden administration actually filed 19
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Of these cases on their own during its four-year term.
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And the court granted their request 10 times.
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So okay, president trump's doing a little bit better,
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But he's got a whole lot more of them.
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So he's being stopped
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By the lower courts a lot more than president biden was.
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And when president biden was stopped by the lower courts
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And he thought it was wrong, more than half the time,
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They got what they wanted outta the supreme court too,
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Which was probably a stopping
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Of a lower court decision from going into effect
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And affecting their policy.
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So the idea that this is somehow new under president trump,
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It's just because the left
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And states are filing more lawsuits to try
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And stop all of his policies from going into effect.
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So of course the numbers are going to look different,
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But i don't want anybody, you know, come for this
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And say, oh this is something president trump even created.
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So just remember when the biden administration
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Had to do this, they won the majority of the time.
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They got the supreme court sided
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With them in this shadow docket the majority of cases.
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- all right, thank you for calling, let's keep going.
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Let's go to bill in wyoming.
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Go ahead.
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- [bill] hi, thanks for taking my call.
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I got two things to say.
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First of all, those nameless judges don't realize
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That they'll get caught anyway
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Because if they do anything to counter
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What the supreme court says,
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Their names are gonna be right out there to begin with.
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And second of all, as far as the governor of illinois
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And the mayor of chicago,
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If they think they don't need trump,
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Why don't they take a tv team
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Without any kind of security whatsoever
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And take the red line all the way through?
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What i heard about it on the radio yesterday,
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It's a real nightmare.
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- yeah, i think, listen,
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A lot of public transportation's become a nightmare.
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And you know, we've had waves in our country
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Where public transportation has been very safe
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In certain cities and other cities, very dangerous.
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New york had a huge problem in the seventies and eighties.
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And then what did they do?
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They brought in mayors who focus the majority
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Of their job on making our city safe.
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Because if we make our city safe,
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That will bring in business, bring in tourists,
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More people decide to live in the city than to commute.
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It will bring more companies to headquarter here.
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And so by actually focusing in on violent crime,
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You're improving all these other areas of the city.
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And so it gets back
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And then it kind of starts to unravel again.
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People get used to having such a safe big city.
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I mean, we kind of got used to new york
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Being this really safe place.
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- [logan] yeah.
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- where like, where you didn't have to really worry much.
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And, you know, if you ask people
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Who grew up there in the seventies or eighties,
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You're watching your back everywhere you went.
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- yeah, i feel like we've kind
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Of returned a little bit to that.
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I feel like new york has started.
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- [jordan] unfortunately, yes.
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- to move its way back.
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But like this weekend i spent my weekend in new york,
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We decided to not stay in the city
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For the first time in my life.
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We did not stay in the city, we stayed.
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- but still stayed in one of, we're not gonna disclose it.
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One of the most logan-looking places.
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- it was a little haunted, it was.
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- i thought it was like from the.
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- the christmas decorations were still up,
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Which was a concern.
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- one little quick irony to bill's first comment
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About the judges though is that their big complaint is
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That the supreme court justices aren't explaining themselves
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Enough, but yet they are anonymously
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Giving these statements.
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They're not letting the world know what they really think,
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But yet they're criticizing the supreme court
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For not letting the world know what they think.
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Let's move on.
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- we have two callers that have been on hold for,
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One's been hold for over 20 minutes.
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Let's try to at least get to that,
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Steve in virginia, go ahead.
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Still stay on hold, others, we'll try.
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Steve, go ahead.
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Steve. - [steve] hi gentlemen.
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I'm calling in regard to your defense
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Of the street preachers.
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It reminds me of a bible verse in romans chapter 10
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That says, how beautiful are the feet of them
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That preach the gospel of peace
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And bring glad tidings of good things.
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And it occurred to me that because you guys are going
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To defend these preachers in court,
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The message of the gospel of peace might even get out
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To an even broader audience than it otherwise would.
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- right, i appreciate that.
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I know our attorneys appreciate that as well
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Because, you know, we do this work because we believe in it.
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When we represent these clients, we believe that
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What they were doing is right and legal.
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And we oftentimes agree with their message,
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Though we support free speech generally,
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That means sometimes you don't agree with someone's message.
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Oftentimes when they've come to the aclj
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To be an aclj client, you know, we're with 'em 100%.
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And so we're their advocates so that others
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Can be on that street corner.
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'cause most of, you know, people could say there's people on
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The street corner screaming at.
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You'd be surprised by
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How many people's lives have been changed by someone
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Who started up a conversation with them on the street.
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- in chicago, you have a problem that we are seeing
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Where when the police also are being used
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For things that they shouldn't be used for.
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We have a trial one week from today
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Representing two street preachers that were arrested
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For sharing the gospel on a busy street,
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Exercising their first amendment right.
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They were not louder than the traffic.
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And we are now having to go to court to defend them
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In their case, one week from today.
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We already were able to defend successfully
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One of their friends who was arrested for the same thing.
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On top of that defense that we have next week,
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We have a federal lawsuit against the city of chicago
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Because of their pattern
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Of targeting these street preachers.
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So we understand that it's not just,
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They don't have the resources
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Or their resources are strained,
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It's also that the resources they do have, jordan,
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Are targeting the wrong thing.
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When you have.
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- [logan] been deployed incorrectly.
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- when you have that many shootings
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And deaths over labor day weekend.
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- [jordan] right, and you're arrest street preachers.
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- and we're having to worry about defending people
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Trying to use their first amendment rights
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Next week in court,
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Maybe there is a problem in your city.
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- yeah, and listen, i think the whole defund
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The police movement is tied directly to these cities
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That are having some of the worst crime
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That they've seen in summertime kind of a crime.
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And then it's continuing and it's so out of control.
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And when i say out of control, i mean there's not enough
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Police to do their job, which you have to be very brave
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To be a police officer in these cities
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Because you know you are outnumbered.
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And that the criminal elements, i mean, you see these videos
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Where these kids, young people
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And a police officer pulls up in one of these neighborhoods.
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They'll smack 'em with shoes, they'll smack 'em
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With stuff and run away.
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Like, there's like, there's no problem with that.
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- [logan] no recourse, no.
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- nothing's gonna, i would be,
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And i guess that's just something instilled in you.
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But i didn't grow up in chaos,
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Which a lot of these kids did and young people.
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But to this day, there is no way you could get me to,
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I could never even think about attacking a police officer
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And thinking i would live through it.
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- [logan] right.
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- i mean, live through it.
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Not even just get arrested, but actually live through it.
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I thought you attack a police officer,
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Your life's in danger.
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- yeah, seconds later.
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- [jordan] right.
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(gentle music)
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Sekulow - Federal Judges Turn on the Supreme Court

September 17, 2025 | 29:45

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