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Sekulow - Google Bombshell Letter To Congress

October 8, 2025 | 27:17

Sekulow - Google Bombshell Letter To Congress
Jay Sekulow speaks about the protection of religious freedoms in America.
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Sekulow | Sekulow - Google Bombshell Letter To Congress | October 8, 2025
  • (gentle upbeat music)
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  • - on today's show,
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  • Google admits to the push for massive government censorship.
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  • (gentle upbeat music)
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  • Welcome to "sekulow."
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  • Jordan is with me as well.
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  • Of course, we are leading one of the top stories,
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  • Which is google essentially admitted,
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  • "hey, yes, we were censoring.
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  • Yes, we have deactivated thousands of accounts
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  • Including youtube accounts for a lot of people.
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  • We obviously knew that was happening."
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  • - because we knew well-known people.
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  • Some who we were representing.
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  • - yeah. - some who are now
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  • The current deputy director of the fbi.
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  • Dan bongino was one of those people.
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  • - oh yeah. i mean, a pretty big list.
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  • - gorka. - we continually-
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  • - war room, bannon. - we continually fought
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  • With youtube for quite a while.
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  • There were many times where we had an issue with 'em.
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  • Went back and forth.
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  • Now in the last year,
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  • Youtube has actually made a pretty strong,
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  • And google's made a pretty strong effort to say,
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  • "we were wrong and we did this poorly."
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  • And they even said, they even put out videos saying,
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  • You can talk about life, you can talk about abortion.
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  • We're not gonna censor that anymore.
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  • We're not gonna to, they were essentially
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  • Shadow banning. - there's been a huge shift
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  • On social media. - absolutely.
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  • - to free speech. yeah. - so, i wanna give google-
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  • - we need to do everything we can to keep it that way.
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  • - so, i wanna give google
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  • A little bit of credit in this for saying this,
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  • But obviously the big part of it,
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  • Which is what mark zuckerberg said
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  • Now a couple years ago on "joe rogan", which is,
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  • "yeah, we were doing this.
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  • But that is because the biden administration
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  • Was putting immense pressure on google
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  • To censor americans and remove content
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  • Even if that content did not violate youtube policy.
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  • - and it scares them because they get the protection,
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  • Section 302 protection from lawsuits
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  • Because people can post things
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  • And if people do post things they don't get,
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  • You can't sue them because someone posts
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  • Something horrible even after they take it down.
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  • - yeah. - that's part
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  • Of the protection we have so that the internet
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  • And social media can continue to grow.
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  • And they're always concerned
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  • That the government holds that over their head.
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  • And here's what's key there.
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  • The government was holding it over their head.
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  • I mean, we knew likely google
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  • Wasn't just doing this to do it policy wise.
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  • That there was something going on.
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  • And i'm telling you, the power of the federal government
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  • Because of that section.
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  • - [logan] much scarier than you think.
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  • - yes. - in that sense of like,
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  • You think google almost bigger than the government,
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  • But really, not really. - not if you take away,
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  • Not if you take away that provision
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  • Because then they would be open up
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  • To every time somebody puts something up
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  • That's quasi defamatory, like all those videos
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  • You see of people, you know?
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  • - [logan] there's plenty. most of youtube.
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  • - places that are, say you can't film and say,
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  • You know, data privacy. - yeah.
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  • - they'd be an a legal mess.
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  • But the big news is, one, they've unbanned
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  • All those accounts and made sure.
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  • - yeah. - but two,
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  • The much bigger news is that the biden administration
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  • Was telling them to ban the people.
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  • - yes. - and i think
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  • Just like they were with twitter and other accounts,
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  • They were naming.
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  • - i think that's right
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  • 'cause some of the biggest names obviously.
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  • And then some random ones.
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  • - right. - would get called up.
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  • - they always do that. - but when you look at this.
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  • I mean, this is what chairman jim jordan,
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  • Thanks to the oversight of jim jordan, google commits,
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  • This was google commits to offer all creators
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  • Previously kicked off youtube due
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  • To political speech violations
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  • On topics such as covid, elections,
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  • An opportunity to return to the platform.
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  • The biden administration also, again,
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  • They pretty much admitted pressured them
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  • To remove content even if it didn't violate them.
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  • And they said it was unacceptable and wrong.
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  • This is a big moment.
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  • I think it's something that we all need to, you know,
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  • You can't necessarily say celebrate what google is doing
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  • 'cause of course they did have
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  • To first commit these issues to get to this point.
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  • But if we're talking about moving forward here,
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  • I'm pleased with this.
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  • - i think right now moving forward,
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  • The big tech content where you put your creations on
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  • Are much more friendly to just free speech in general.
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  • We need to do everything we can
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  • To be their friend and to keep it that way.
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  • - look, you've got
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  • Small new creators too. - and that means-
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  • - 'cause people were leaving in mass
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  • And going to rumble, which rumble's great.
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  • We're on there. we love them.
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  • - that means good and bad.
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  • - yeah. - you're gonna mean,
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  • You're gonna see lots of content you don't like.
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  • But as we've all said,
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  • That's what freedom of speech is about.
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  • There's very little speech
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  • That is illegal in the united states
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  • And that's usually incitement.
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  • I don't want to get into all of that right now.
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  • - yeah. - because
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  • It's very difficult to prove.
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  • But they do have power because they're a private company.
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  • So, the more we can keep them open and honest
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  • And keep the government out,
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  • That's why we don't want the fcc-
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  • - right. - telling people either.
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  • - we'll get to that. - these are wins
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  • For free speech.
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  • - we'll get to that coming up in the next segment.
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  • We'll also talk about how the aclj
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  • Was directly involved in this.
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  • - yes. - and we'll get to,
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  • We'll break that down. coming up.
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  • (gentle upbeat music)
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  • (gentle upbeat music)
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  • (gentle lively music)
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  • - welcome back to "sekulow."
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  • Hey, i do wanna play this, you know?
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  • As we talk about this google censorship,
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  • You said that we have a clip from hillary clinton.
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  • I think this is kind of a fun flashback.
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  • This is only from a year ago.
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  • This is not like a flashback rom 10 years ago
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  • When we started talking about content moderation.
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  • Of course, look, this comes on the heels
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  • Of everything that happened with jimmy kimmel.
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  • This comes on our involvement,
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  • Even in this case specifically.
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  • Let's go ahead and hear hillary clinton.
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  • - if the platforms, whether it's facebook or twitter x
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  • Or instagram or tiktok, whatever they are,
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  • If they don't moderate and monitor the content,
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  • We lose total control.
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  • And it's not just the social and psychological effects,
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  • It's real harm.
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  • - yeah, so i mean, it is real harm,
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  • Social psychological effects.
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  • Look, i don't disagree with that
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  • In the sense of there are real social
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  • And psychological effects on social media.
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  • You gotta be very careful
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  • Of what you allow your kids to see,
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  • Even what you allow in your own brain.
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  • I think we all know that over the last couple weeks.
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  • - you know, if you're an adult who is saying
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  • And doesn't have those issues,
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  • Just don't look at the comments.
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  • - yeah. - i always say,
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  • Don't read the comments, hillary clinton.
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  • - [logan] so, let's talk about
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  • Though how we were involved in this.
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  • I think it's important. - i wanna show it to people.
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  • I'm gonna hold it in my hand right now.
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  • I mean, this goes back actually,
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  • This is supreme court case that just came out
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  • In light of all of these changes
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  • That the case kind of came to a moot point.
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  • But i want you to see it and read it carefully
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  • Who the aclj was representing here.
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  • This is the brief, the amicus brief
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  • Representing charlie kirk and some others,
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  • Including people like david harris, robby starbuck.
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  • And this is your aclj.
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  • You know, jay sekulow, stuart roth, jordan sekulow,
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  • Our team, craig parshall.
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  • We were the attorneys for charlie kirk
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  • Fighting back against that censorship, because again, those,
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  • Not only were we affected, but people like him.
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  • I mean, seriously affected
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  • When they had to go find other platforms.
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  • And unfortunately, he's not here for this day
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  • When not only had google kind of already probably done this.
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  • I don't think charlie kirk was having issues there.
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  • - i think that the last year
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  • They've really done better. - but to know
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  • That it wasn't just google.
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  • That it was really, like zuckerberg had said about facebook.
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  • That it was the biden administration threatening them.
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  • - yeah. and i think-
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  • - and let me tell you something.
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  • It's not telling them, "hey, please do this."
  • 00:07:03.521 --> 00:07:04.689
  • They say, "hey, please do this or else.
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  • We might wanna start looking at those exemptions you have
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  • And your immunity you have from prosecution
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  • Because you put this information up there
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  • And someone gets covid and sick,
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  • Maybe we'll let that family sue you if we remove that."
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  • And imagine how many of those,
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  • You could put a company like google.
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  • They'd have to, well, they would no longer be alphabet.
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  • - yes. they would have to be broken up.
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  • - yeah. - be broken up
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  • Into many different sources.
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  • Look, i think when you look at this,
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  • It's not shocking, but it is shocking
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  • When you actually read it that google is saying,
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  • "yes, this is what happened."
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  • Because even zuck kinda like backed off.
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  • Like, he said, yeah, they created a portal
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  • Where they could-
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  • - he did it on his own.
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  • - he did it. - he didn't-
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  • - exactly. he did it. - he went
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  • And testified on his own.
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  • He didn't require this kind of,
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  • I mean, that was what, two years?
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  • - [logan] yeah, so what happened to lead to this?
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  • - hearing, congressional oversight.
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  • - and they just said,
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  • "yes, it's what happened." - house district committee.
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  • And finally yes, finally through that
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  • And through a court order,
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  • A court decision from the district court.
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  • This was the case leading up to our supreme court case
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  • Said that the white house colluded with big tech.
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  • We know this was going on.
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  • Remember the disinformation boards
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  • That they were getting rid of,
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  • But then they weren't really getting rid of.
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  • They were renaming.
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  • I mean, this is why we all jumped when the fcc said,
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  • "we're gonna, you know, if they don't do it,
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  • We're gonna change this."
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  • - yeah. for jimmy kimmel. - and you know,
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  • I think he probably overspoke.
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  • I think pam bondi when she said,
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  • "hate speech, same kind of thing."
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  • She immediately changed that to incitement,
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  • Which is the real legal issues.
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  • There's no laws on hate speech and things like that.
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  • The idea here is that the more freedom of speech
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  • This goes into again,
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  • Why we were representing charlie kirk in this matter.
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  • And by the way,
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  • Just kind of a reminder
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  • Of where people go in those positions,
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  • Who have these serious reaches.
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  • What attorneys do they turn to
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  • When they could turn to anyone?
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  • Who do they turn to when they've got an issue like this?
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  • It's the american center for law and justice.
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  • And i wanna make sure everybody at turning point
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  • And the other organizations know that we are there for them.
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  • That we're not your competitor.
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  • That we are the attorneys
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  • And that we are also a broadcasters.
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  • We wanna make sure that you're protected too and at no cost.
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  • So, you don't have to turn and spend your donor dollars
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  • On millions of dollars of legal fees.
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  • Our donors have provided the resources for us
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  • So we can defend you.
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  • And let me just thank our donors for that.
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  • Because you donate to the aclj.
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  • To resolve what will be, i think, the future we know
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  • Is going to be more and more social media tech
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  • Kind of issues with free speech.
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  • We have to continue building up our teams in washington
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  • And we can do that with your continued financial support
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  • Of the aclj.
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  • As i always say, big or small.
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  • I never want to have to say no to a case
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  • Because we think it will be too expensive
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  • For the aclj.
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  • And that's thank you to our donors.
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  • But as these cases
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  • Will always continue to be more complicated
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  • And as the issues get even more serious,
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  • We need your financial support.
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  • I mean, freedom of speech we know is the topic right now
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  • And is the debate is,
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  • "do we want censorship of freedom of speech or not?"
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  • As you know,
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  • Lawful,
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  • Ugly,
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  • Bad,
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  • Things we don't like, things we love.
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  • It's much better to protect it all.
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  • You protect it all.
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  • That means your christian speech, your pro-life speech,
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  • Your questions about those in power get protected.
  • 00:10:49.046 --> 00:10:53.050
  • If you start picking and choosing sides,
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  • You know what happens?
  • 00:10:55.086 --> 00:10:56.788
  • The other side comes in and let me tell you,
  • 00:10:56.788 --> 00:10:58.589
  • The other side, the left?
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  • A lot better as we've already seen.
  • 00:11:00.491 --> 00:11:02.760
  • They didn't have any laws or rules on the books.
  • 00:11:02.760 --> 00:11:05.096
  • They just used pressure.
  • 00:11:05.096 --> 00:11:06.798
  • - just pressure. and then, you know, they'll cave to it.
  • 00:11:06.798 --> 00:11:08.566
  • And also because they theoretically would probably say,
  • 00:11:08.566 --> 00:11:10.535
  • "oh, maybe they're on our side in this," you know?
  • 00:11:10.535 --> 00:11:12.503
  • When you have
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  • Organizations being run- - what we have seen
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  • Is that these tech companies,
  • 00:11:14.906 --> 00:11:16.307
  • One, they're not really on sides.
  • 00:11:16.307 --> 00:11:17.842
  • And two, if i think what they have learned
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  • Is that the right, because of our views on free speech,
  • 00:11:20.144 --> 00:11:23.314
  • Which took them some time to i think understand,
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  • Realizes is much safer for them
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  • Because we don't threaten to take away their status.
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  • We understand they need the ability
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  • To create with ai and things like that.
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  • And that means that sometimes the ai is gonna say things
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  • That are bad and they need to fix.
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  • And that's okay if we're going to compete in the world.
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  • (gentle upbeat music)
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  • (gentle lively music)
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  • - my brother jordan sekulow joining us right now,
  • 00:11:49.165 --> 00:11:50.967
  • As well in studio.
  • 00:11:50.967 --> 00:11:52.602
  • And we were talking about a couple different things.
  • 00:11:52.602 --> 00:11:54.371
  • One, google saying, "hey, you know what?
  • 00:11:54.371 --> 00:11:56.306
  • Not only were we censoring, we were censoring those accounts
  • 00:11:56.306 --> 00:11:58.508
  • Because the biden administration told us we had to or else."
  • 00:11:58.508 --> 00:12:01.978
  • And they have now said,
  • 00:12:01.978 --> 00:12:03.546
  • "hey, if you were one of those creators that we took down?
  • 00:12:03.546 --> 00:12:05.882
  • Time to hop back on our platform. it's time to do that."
  • 00:12:05.882 --> 00:12:07.984
  • This is a big move, this is a good move by the way.
  • 00:12:07.984 --> 00:12:09.686
  • Look, google had to get to this to admit to it.
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  • We know people like facebook and meta earlier on
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  • Admitted to this is what was happening.
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  • But i think it's good.
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  • I think it's good to have new creators
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  • That can come into the platform not scared
  • 00:12:19.829 --> 00:12:21.364
  • Of what they're gonna say or not say, or get demonetized.
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  • Obviously there is common decency that we want to support.
  • 00:12:24.301 --> 00:12:27.971
  • But if you go on youtube,
  • 00:12:27.971 --> 00:12:29.372
  • Of course you're not necessarily always gonna find that.
  • 00:12:29.372 --> 00:12:30.874
  • But just as a dad and as someone
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  • Who wants good creators out there,
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  • I want people creating good stuff
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  • That's good for your brains.
  • 00:12:36.146 --> 00:12:38.048
  • But of course, this does help
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  • In the freedom of speech side of this.
  • 00:12:39.683 --> 00:12:41.651
  • And of course,
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  • This is in the wake of everything that's happening,
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  • Including the return to television after what?
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  • Three days off of "jimmy kimmel live."
  • 00:12:46.556 --> 00:12:49.459
  • Which of course created a huge spike in numbers.
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  • And they put a thing that said president trump,
  • 00:12:51.728 --> 00:12:53.863
  • One of his responses was,
  • 00:12:53.863 --> 00:12:55.332
  • "well, people are gonna watch tonight."
  • 00:12:55.332 --> 00:12:56.833
  • It's right. now, we'll see if people continue to watch.
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  • I watched the 30-minute monologue
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  • That was not available in our local market.
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  • It's a very neutral guest.
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  • Last night was- - so maybe after
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  • The first week- - last night,
  • 00:13:06.643 --> 00:13:08.078
  • It was glen powell from "twisters" and peyton manning.
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  • - okay. - you know?
  • 00:13:11.214 --> 00:13:12.148
  • - every people everybody loves.
  • 00:13:12.148 --> 00:13:13.917
  • - that everyone loves. - might as well
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  • Put the savannah bananas on too.
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  • - [logan] (laughs) exactly.
  • 00:13:16.286 --> 00:13:17.821
  • - but what will be interesting to see is if by next week
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  • Jimmy kimmel's back to a million, you know-
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  • - [jordan] you know, in third place.
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  • - i would love to see what people's thoughts were
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  • 'cause i watched the whole 30 minutes.
  • 00:13:27.063 --> 00:13:29.366
  • I think that there was some good moments in it.
  • 00:13:29.366 --> 00:13:31.167
  • I think there was some not so good moments in it.
  • 00:13:31.167 --> 00:13:34.404
  • Turning point did not say we're thrilled with it
  • 00:13:34.404 --> 00:13:35.972
  • 'cause he didn't come back and really give them an apology.
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  • He apologized to the audience.
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  • Said he never wanted to trivialize someone's death.
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  • He did honestly pay a good moment
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  • Where he got visibly emotional
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  • Whether you wanna believe him or not.
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  • I can't really say one way.
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  • Where all of a sudden he gets overwhelmed with emotion
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  • Talking about- - that wasn't off the cuff.
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  • - erika kirk. no. - i wanna make sure-
  • 00:13:52.856 --> 00:13:54.324
  • - it's very scripted. - that people they understand,
  • 00:13:54.324 --> 00:13:55.525
  • These guys are reading teleprompters.
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  • - yeah. very scripted.
  • 00:13:56.693 --> 00:13:58.094
  • And he talks about erika kirk forgiving the shooter.
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  • He mentioned he was a follower of jesus' teachings.
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  • These were the words you did not expect
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  • To hear out of jimmy kimmel.
  • 00:14:04.434 --> 00:14:06.236
  • But of the 30 minutes, i would say-
  • 00:14:06.236 --> 00:14:07.370
  • - mr. men show. - a good 15 to 20 of it
  • 00:14:07.370 --> 00:14:10.874
  • Was sillier conversation about president trump and the fcc.
  • 00:14:10.874 --> 00:14:16.246
  • And he gave props to the conservatives
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  • That stood up for him,
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  • Including ted cruz who was like his number one enemy,
  • 00:14:20.283 --> 00:14:22.152
  • Ben shapiro and a lot of those people
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  • Who came out and said, you know, that they did.
  • 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.222
  • So, he gave some props to them.
  • 00:14:26.222 --> 00:14:27.757
  • - it wasn't really so much standing up for jimmy kimmel.
  • 00:14:27.757 --> 00:14:29.626
  • It was saying the fcc should not be a threat.
  • 00:14:29.626 --> 00:14:33.830
  • It wasn't like people cared
  • 00:14:33.830 --> 00:14:35.832
  • About jimmy kimmel coming back or not.
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  • It was they shouldn't be making that decision.
  • 00:14:38.001 --> 00:14:40.503
  • - yeah. - because the fcc.
  • 00:14:40.503 --> 00:14:42.038
  • They should be making the decision
  • 00:14:42.038 --> 00:14:43.573
  • Because he said something horrendous and it was probably,
  • 00:14:43.573 --> 00:14:46.309
  • They should have said it was more like a,
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  • He's going to be- - were like cool down.
  • 00:14:48.311 --> 00:14:49.879
  • A cool down or a ban. - cool it down. yeah.
  • 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:51.414
  • - a temporary- - temporarily, we're gonna...
  • 00:14:51.414 --> 00:14:53.183
  • That's why i said like fox does when there's a tragedy,
  • 00:14:53.183 --> 00:14:55.285
  • Gutfeld doesn't go on.
  • 00:14:55.285 --> 00:14:56.820
  • They don't do the show. - right.
  • 00:14:56.820 --> 00:14:57.687
  • - they say, you know what?
  • 00:14:57.687 --> 00:14:58.988
  • This is not the right time.
  • 00:14:58.988 --> 00:15:00.356
  • - they go, right. - they go to continue news.
  • 00:15:00.356 --> 00:15:01.558
  • I want you to hear from jimmy kimmel,
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  • This is part of his apology.
  • 00:15:02.492 --> 00:15:03.393
  • - yeah. - if you say,
  • 00:15:03.393 --> 00:15:04.594
  • Quote unquote "apology" last night,
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  • - i don't think what i have to say
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  • Is gonna make much of a difference.
  • 00:15:06.796 --> 00:15:08.198
  • If you like me, you like me. if you don't, you don't.
  • 00:15:08.198 --> 00:15:09.566
  • I have no illusions about changing anyone's mind,
  • 00:15:09.566 --> 00:15:11.935
  • But i do wanna make something clear
  • 00:15:11.935 --> 00:15:13.503
  • Because it's important to me as a human.
  • 00:15:13.503 --> 00:15:15.572
  • And that is, you understand that it was never my intention
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  • To make light of the murder of a young man.
  • 00:15:19.442 --> 00:15:22.612
  • (audience laughing)
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  • I don't think there's anything funny about it.
  • 00:15:27.550 --> 00:15:29.953
  • I posted a message on instagram on the day he was killed
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  • Sending love to his family and asking for compassion,
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  • And i meant it and i still do.
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  • Nor was it my attention to blame
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  • Any specific group for the actions of what,
  • 00:15:39.696 --> 00:15:43.133
  • It was obviously a deeply disturbed individual.
  • 00:15:43.133 --> 00:15:46.035
  • That was really the opposite
  • 00:15:46.035 --> 00:15:47.437
  • Of the point i was trying to make.
  • 00:15:47.437 --> 00:15:49.339
  • But i understand that to some that felt
  • 00:15:49.339 --> 00:15:51.074
  • Either ill-timed or unclear, or maybe both.
  • 00:15:51.074 --> 00:15:53.943
  • And for those who think i did point a finger,
  • 00:15:53.943 --> 00:15:56.579
  • I get why you're upset.
  • 00:15:56.579 --> 00:15:57.780
  • If the situation was reversed,
  • 00:15:57.780 --> 00:15:59.182
  • There was a good chance i'd have felt the same way.
  • 00:15:59.182 --> 00:16:01.518
  • I have many friends and family members on the other side
  • 00:16:01.518 --> 00:16:05.522
  • Who i love and remain close to
  • 00:16:05.522 --> 00:16:07.457
  • Even though we don't agree on politics at all.
  • 00:16:07.457 --> 00:16:10.860
  • I don't think the murderer
  • 00:16:10.860 --> 00:16:12.295
  • Who shot charlie kirk represents anyone.
  • 00:16:12.295 --> 00:16:14.364
  • This was a sick person who believed violence was a solution
  • 00:16:14.364 --> 00:16:18.768
  • And it isn't ever.
  • 00:16:18.768 --> 00:16:21.571
  • - and if that is where things had ended,
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  • I think, with jimmy kimmel,
  • 00:16:22.505 --> 00:16:23.606
  • I think a lot of us would've said,
  • 00:16:23.606 --> 00:16:24.941
  • "okay, it wasn't maybe a full fledged apology
  • 00:16:24.941 --> 00:16:26.676
  • But at least it was some- - he could've ended it.
  • 00:16:26.676 --> 00:16:28.444
  • - but then it just went into his typical 20-minute
  • 00:16:28.444 --> 00:16:30.647
  • Kinda rant against, he went around the fcc,
  • 00:16:30.647 --> 00:16:33.383
  • You know, had a lot of trump jokes, had a lot of stuff.
  • 00:16:33.383 --> 00:16:36.119
  • And then circled back around
  • 00:16:36.119 --> 00:16:37.687
  • And did a full another segment that then ended by saying
  • 00:16:37.687 --> 00:16:41.991
  • That how moved he was by erika kirk's speech.
  • 00:16:41.991 --> 00:16:45.128
  • A very similar tone to this beginning.
  • 00:16:45.128 --> 00:16:47.564
  • So, i understand it's a comedy show.
  • 00:16:47.564 --> 00:16:48.831
  • They wanna pack it forward.
  • 00:16:48.831 --> 00:16:50.099
  • What he certainly did not do was say,
  • 00:16:50.099 --> 00:16:51.267
  • "we're gonna try to chill the tone."
  • 00:16:51.267 --> 00:16:52.602
  • He said, "you know what the show is."
  • 00:16:52.602 --> 00:16:54.771
  • He even admitted that he's like,
  • 00:16:54.771 --> 00:16:55.705
  • "when we started the show,
  • 00:16:55.705 --> 00:16:56.873
  • It was a comedy late night talk show,
  • 00:16:56.873 --> 00:16:57.941
  • And it's not really anymore."
  • 00:16:57.941 --> 00:16:59.609
  • I mean he pretty much said that almost word for word.
  • 00:16:59.609 --> 00:17:00.877
  • - it's now a- - saying this is
  • 00:17:00.877 --> 00:17:02.412
  • A political commentary show. - it's now msnbc with jokes.
  • 00:17:02.412 --> 00:17:05.048
  • - and the fact that they have them saying that,
  • 00:17:05.048 --> 00:17:07.217
  • You know, was pretty interesting.
  • 00:17:07.217 --> 00:17:08.718
  • It should change the way, honestly, should change the way
  • 00:17:08.718 --> 00:17:10.720
  • Guests decide to go on the show.
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  • Because if you're gonna admit to say
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  • This is just a political news show
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  • Or a political commentary show,
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  • Then i don't know if you should be getting peyton manning.
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  • I don't know if you should be getting
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  • Some of these top leading names.
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  • 'cause i don't feel like if you had said,
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  • "hey, come on and do one of these shows on cnn,"
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  • You likely are gonna get those guys to show up.
  • 00:17:26.636 --> 00:17:28.371
  • Because it all is under this sort of censorship concept
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  • And where we step in, where we don't,
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  • Where we agree, where we disagree,
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  • Where the advertisers and the network
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  • Should have said something, and maybe not the fcc.
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  • I think if you didn't have that-
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  • - and the people. - a whole different story.
  • 00:17:40.516 --> 00:17:41.985
  • - the people really, viewers are who,
  • 00:17:41.985 --> 00:17:45.355
  • Because that's where the money comes from is advertising.
  • 00:17:45.355 --> 00:17:47.690
  • And if people aren't watching, the advertising goes lower.
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  • And these shows, like you said,
  • 00:17:50.493 --> 00:17:51.961
  • Are so expensive to produce.
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  • - unbelievable. - it seemed like,
  • 00:17:53.963 --> 00:17:55.398
  • They were all kind of going the way of the dinosaur.
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  • - absolutely. - especially
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  • If the number one was gone.
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  • Let's go to sean in florida first.
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  • You've been holding for half an hour. go ahead, sean.
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  • - [sean] hey, guys. thank you for all the work you do.
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  • So, i'll be very brief with this.
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  • So um- - take your time.
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  • - [sean] i know a lot of people. okay, thank you.
  • 00:18:08.144 --> 00:18:10.880
  • I know a lot of people will want to say,
  • 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.049
  • "oh, they don't wanna hear what i'm gonna say,"
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  • But i think after what's happened with mr. kirk,
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  • I think we have to strategically adjust what we're doing.
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  • So, my point is this.
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  • Moving forward, i think that all public speakers,
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  • Especially when they're getting to be larger ones,
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  • I think that all public speakers moving forward
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  • Should have bulletproof glass in front of them.
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  • Even if it's a small event, maybe a sheet or two.
  • 00:18:37.507 --> 00:18:40.710
  • It's highly effective, it's extremely cheap,
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  • And it's very mobile.
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  • People come, they set it up just like the president.
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  • It's effective.
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  • And if we would've had that in place that day,
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  • Either it would've deflected
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  • Or this guy wouldn't even have shown up to do it
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  • Because you know it would've been pointless.
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  • - yeah, sean, i understand your point.
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  • I mean, there's-
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  • - yeah. - the pros and cons of it
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  • In terms of your, the way you connect with an audience.
  • 00:19:01.831 --> 00:19:03.800
  • - i think it's a speaker's decision at this point.
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  • And as logan said, as guys who have been on stages,
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  • Large, small, who've done those events
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  • Where you wanna be more grassrootsy.
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  • If you had that kind of barrier
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  • And you're already on a stage,
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  • One, that's even more difficult to connect to an audience.
  • 00:19:18.147 --> 00:19:20.783
  • But then two, if you were doing
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  • Kinda like what charlie was doing,
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  • That wouldn't have worked at all.
  • 00:19:24.854 --> 00:19:26.456
  • - yeah, i mean, yes.
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  • I mean, do i agree with you that i don't think the person
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  • Probably would've even taken a shot
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  • Knowing that there was some sort of bulletproof perhaps?
  • 00:19:30.827 --> 00:19:32.628
  • You're probably right, sean, but does that?
  • 00:19:32.628 --> 00:19:34.130
  • - a lot of these guys are wearing vests.
  • 00:19:34.130 --> 00:19:36.432
  • - yeah. it is. - that doesn't
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  • Protect everything. - it's tough.
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  • It's a tough decision to make.
  • 00:19:39.502 --> 00:19:40.503
  • - yes. - i think it's one
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  • That i don't think we should say has to or don't have to,
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  • But i think security in general needed to be better.
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  • And i think we need to look at-
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  • - and we saw at the event
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  • That that the president now usually,
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  • Almost always- - always.
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  • - now, he walks around it.
  • 00:19:51.714 --> 00:19:53.149
  • - to the point of making me nervous, to be honest.
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  • At the very end, you know,
  • 00:19:54.784 --> 00:19:56.085
  • When he was with erika at the end i'm like,
  • 00:19:56.085 --> 00:19:57.653
  • "get off the stage."
  • 00:19:57.653 --> 00:19:59.355
  • And i know the point and it was a beautiful moment.
  • 00:19:59.355 --> 00:20:01.958
  • - the point is, you can't- - but your heart rate
  • 00:20:01.958 --> 00:20:03.126
  • Starts going. - you can't really see.
  • 00:20:03.126 --> 00:20:04.427
  • There's some kind of like reflection still.
  • 00:20:04.427 --> 00:20:05.628
  • - there is a disconnection. - yes.
  • 00:20:05.628 --> 00:20:08.398
  • And i think people get it
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  • When it's the president of the united states.
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  • The pope, you know, things like that.
  • 00:20:10.933 --> 00:20:12.468
  • When it becomes kind of your activist that you've waited,
  • 00:20:12.468 --> 00:20:16.539
  • You know, hours to see and maybe interact with,
  • 00:20:16.539 --> 00:20:19.575
  • That becomes a lot like you are gonna go to a concert
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  • And the band's gonna be behind a screen.
  • 00:20:21.844 --> 00:20:24.147
  • There are, you know, that-
  • 00:20:24.147 --> 00:20:25.415
  • - it's like a covid meet and greet kind of thing.
  • 00:20:25.415 --> 00:20:27.283
  • - we don't want to be at that point in the world.
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  • You know, the truth is this is why
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  • We're talking about dialogue and making sure
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  • Those who have obviously both a mix of political anger
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  • Where i disagree with jimmy kimmel
  • 00:20:41.998 --> 00:20:43.232
  • And psychological issues mixing together,
  • 00:20:43.232 --> 00:20:46.869
  • That we need to do a better job
  • 00:20:46.869 --> 00:20:48.271
  • And those families need to do a better job
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  • Of letting law enforcement know,
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  • So they're not just running rampantly
  • 00:20:52.442 --> 00:20:54.243
  • During events like that
  • 00:20:54.243 --> 00:20:56.212
  • When they're telling people basically.
  • 00:20:56.212 --> 00:20:58.815
  • And our laws are trying to figure that out.
  • 00:20:58.815 --> 00:21:01.484
  • We've seen that with some of the school shootings
  • 00:21:01.484 --> 00:21:03.119
  • And parents being prosecuted
  • 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:05.188
  • Because they assisted or they knew
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  • And they did not notify law enforcement in time.
  • 00:21:07.256 --> 00:21:12.595
  • At the same time, you know, this is, again,
  • 00:21:13.529 --> 00:21:14.897
  • I think it's up to the speaker.
  • 00:21:14.897 --> 00:21:16.933
  • So, if you're someone who says, you know what?
  • 00:21:17.867 --> 00:21:20.002
  • I only feel comfortable doing it this way right now?
  • 00:21:20.002 --> 00:21:22.839
  • If that's what erika kirk said right now,
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  • I don't think anybody-
  • 00:21:24.874 --> 00:21:26.409
  • - i think she was the only one
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  • I think that used it other than the president
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  • During that, right? - no, i...
  • 00:21:30.213 --> 00:21:31.481
  • Wasn't it all of the government speakers?
  • 00:21:31.481 --> 00:21:32.515
  • - the government speakers.
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  • I'm not positive about that. - yes.
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  • I think- - maybe you're right.
  • 00:21:35.084 --> 00:21:35.918
  • Maybe the government,
  • 00:21:35.918 --> 00:21:37.153
  • Maybe the non, the on-government speakers.
  • 00:21:37.153 --> 00:21:38.921
  • She may have been the only one that did.
  • 00:21:38.921 --> 00:21:40.890
  • Also, she led into president trump.
  • 00:21:40.890 --> 00:21:42.391
  • - yes. - that makes sense.
  • 00:21:42.391 --> 00:21:43.793
  • - i think once it moved from the turning point team
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  • To the administration officials,
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  • That's when i think it went behind.
  • 00:21:49.832 --> 00:21:52.435
  • - yeah, i have some friends
  • 00:21:52.435 --> 00:21:53.536
  • Who work in the business of that.
  • 00:21:53.536 --> 00:21:55.071
  • - sometimes the secret service just says, they just beg.
  • 00:21:55.071 --> 00:21:56.305
  • - sure they do. - they just say,
  • 00:21:56.305 --> 00:21:57.573
  • "please, this makes our job so much easier.
  • 00:21:57.573 --> 00:21:59.442
  • If you're gonna let in 100,000 people
  • 00:21:59.442 --> 00:22:01.911
  • Or 80,000 people to this.
  • 00:22:01.911 --> 00:22:04.080
  • Just put all, if you're gonna have half the cabinet speak,
  • 00:22:04.080 --> 00:22:07.683
  • Including the president and vice president
  • 00:22:07.683 --> 00:22:09.318
  • And all the rest of 'em there in the crowd,
  • 00:22:09.318 --> 00:22:12.255
  • When they're up there, please do this for us."
  • 00:22:12.255 --> 00:22:14.891
  • - let's go to roger quickly in alabama.
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  • Roger, go ahead.
  • 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:17.894
  • - [roger] i was an amateur radio operator
  • 00:22:17.894 --> 00:22:20.997
  • For about 20 years.
  • 00:22:20.997 --> 00:22:22.698
  • - okay. - and we had to study
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  • The fcc rules
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  • And regulations. - sure.
  • 00:22:25.368 --> 00:22:26.869
  • - [roger] on how our transmissions went out.
  • 00:22:26.869 --> 00:22:29.171
  • - [logan] i bet.
  • 00:22:29.171 --> 00:22:30.540
  • - it's called 95.7.
  • 00:22:30.540 --> 00:22:32.975
  • And your transmission had to be beautiful.
  • 00:22:32.975 --> 00:22:36.879
  • It couldn't have any noise in it.
  • 00:22:36.879 --> 00:22:38.981
  • You couldn't cuss
  • 00:22:38.981 --> 00:22:40.816
  • And there were other things you couldn't do.
  • 00:22:40.816 --> 00:22:43.853
  • And you couldn't get on there
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  • And transmit false information.
  • 00:22:46.789 --> 00:22:50.893
  • - i think what's changed in that
  • 00:22:50.893 --> 00:22:52.128
  • Is that is a much blurrier topic now.
  • 00:22:52.128 --> 00:22:53.863
  • - yes. - with the government.
  • 00:22:53.863 --> 00:22:55.464
  • - i think when they were- - and we don't want them to be
  • 00:22:55.464 --> 00:22:57.333
  • By the way.
  • 00:22:57.333 --> 00:22:58.801
  • - we've been talking about it here behind the scenes
  • 00:22:58.801 --> 00:22:59.802
  • That all of this kind of content,
  • 00:22:59.802 --> 00:23:01.837
  • We're working on something actually now
  • 00:23:01.837 --> 00:23:03.472
  • With another major organization, corporation with fcc issues
  • 00:23:03.472 --> 00:23:08.811
  • And some of these broadcast issues and anti-trust issues.
  • 00:23:09.979 --> 00:23:12.848
  • And i will tell you it all probably,
  • 00:23:12.848 --> 00:23:15.751
  • Instead of piecemeal, you know,
  • 00:23:15.751 --> 00:23:17.954
  • My idea is if you wanna revamp it, revamp it.
  • 00:23:17.954 --> 00:23:22.024
  • The piecemeal from the 1940s and '50s, it's not gonna work.
  • 00:23:22.024 --> 00:23:26.295
  • So, you know- - you change the way
  • 00:23:26.295 --> 00:23:27.463
  • Content moderation- - either revamp
  • 00:23:27.463 --> 00:23:29.865
  • Or let it stand.
  • 00:23:29.865 --> 00:23:31.534
  • And as you're seeing, we're moving away from it anyways.
  • 00:23:31.534 --> 00:23:35.004
  • You know, the sports is moving away from it.
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  • You're able to get broadcast in how many different ways.
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  • - [jordan] as always, let me thank everybody at tbn
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  • For providing this time to us at no cost so we
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  • Can update you on the most important issues of the day.
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  • From all of us at the aclj, thanks, tbn.
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