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Sekulow | Sekulow - Impeachment Whistleblower Referred For Prosecution | April 29, 2026

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- welcome to "sekulow."
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We got a packed one.
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Jordan is here, will's here,
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Rick grenell's gonna be joining us a little bit later,
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So stay tuned again, packed show coming up.
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And look, i wanna make sure you understand,
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Each day we have had something, the last three days,
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Something related to this same main topic,
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But more keeps coming out,
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And more news keeps developing.
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And the big one today involves a criminal referral.
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- that's right.
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So as we talked about earlier in the week,
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Tulsi gabbard, the director of national intelligence,
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Had put out information, declassified information,
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That showed both the missteps by the inspector general,
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The intelligence community inspector general,
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During this impeachment issue,
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As well as the whistleblower
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That put the information forward,
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That lied to the inspector general
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To try and fast track this complaint
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Getting before congress.
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He told congress that, "i had nothing, no talks with them,
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Nothing of that nature."
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When in reality, he even admitted later
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To the inspector general
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That there was some coordination there with the senate,
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The house intelligence committee, with adam schiff,
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Who was the chair at the time.
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So then the next day we found out
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That the inspector general, the new inspector general,
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This is christopher fox, the icig,
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Was looking into any other things
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That michael atkins had done,
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Potentially atkinson had used this procedure
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And gone around some of the rules.
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As we know, he did something like this
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With one of the most important referrals
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That would've come before him,
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Because it was against the president of the united states.
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Was there other misuse of process by this individual?
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Now we find out that tulsi gabbard
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Has sent a criminal referral to the doj.
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So for those of you that have been asking,
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Will there be accountability?
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Now she is saying not just the inspector general,
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But the whistleblower as well.
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- to understand though, this is like a process.
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So it's not like she refers a criminal, she's referring.
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- [jordan] she does not have the ability to start.
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- let's make sure we understand, the word is refer.
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- yes, let me explain it to people.
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So cabinet official levels who represent departments,
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And she represents multiple departments,
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When they come across information that they are gathering
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And believe that there are people
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Who may have not just done something that was wrong
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Or just something not nice, let's say.
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That they actually crossed the line
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Into potential criminal conduct.
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And there there's tons of us code about that,
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Especially when you are inside the intelligence community.
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So your information,
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How you share things has to be crystal clear.
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But as crystal clear as that is,
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That's different than court of law.
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Court of law with a felony,
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You've gotta really be able to prove your case.
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And so listen,
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As the team who went through this impeachment,
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There were documents flying all over the place.
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I mean adam schiff, the situation,
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Swalwell, all those guys, i mean it was a wild, wild west.
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What this has allowed, tulsi taking that time,
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Has allowed people to kind of,
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Other issues are going on.
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She was able then to put it together.
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It's been long enough to get in a new team there
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That would actually put together this information.
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- [logan] every year.
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- so the next step is, okay,
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What can you do with it?
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And that is what's being researched right now.
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(gentle music continues)
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(gentle music continues)
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(gentle music begins)
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- over the last few days
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We've been talking about this tulsi gabbard issued report,
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And you've heard all about that.
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But now we have a big update,
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Which is there's been a criminal referral.
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And again, jordan broke down to the last segment
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Of what that looks like, what it means.
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We wanted to dive a little bit deeper,
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But we wanna hear from tulsi herself.
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- from the beginning of the week
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That they were releasing this information
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That there was improperly done things,
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We didn't know to the level also
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That they were looking at it internally,
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How far they believed it went.
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Now we know they believe it rises to the level
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Of sending a criminal referral to the doj,
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Which the doj will look at.
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They will take the evidence and decide
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Whether or not to move forward with a prosecution
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Of these individuals.
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- the dni sees criminality.
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- [will] right.
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- and look, when you read the report,
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If the report is accurate,
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Let's assume the report is accurate,
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It's pretty hard to imagine that there isn't.
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- right, especially within their own transcripts.
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- [logan] right, that's what i'm saying, yeah.
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- the inspector general is saying that one,
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They went around guardrails.
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- [logan] i lied.
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- and that the person bringing the whistleblower complaint
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Admitted to lying.
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All of these things put together,
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Yeah, it does appear there is criminal activity,
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But let's hear from the director of national intelligence
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Bite four.
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- but the bottom line is this, number one,
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The whistleblower, so-called whistleblower
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Who came forward presented no evidence
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And no firsthand knowledge.
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This is a person who had heard about a conversation
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That president trump had with zelensky,
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Then went straight to adam schiff
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On the house intelligence committee.
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And this is where they came up with this false narrative,
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And this so-called whistleblower then went
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And filed a complaint
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With the intelligence community inspector general.
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The other witness, so-called witness to this
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Is somebody who also had zero firsthand knowledge
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And presented zero evidence.
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Someone who was also a co-author
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Of the 2017 russia hoax intelligence community assessment
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That president obama had ordered be created
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In conjunction with john brennan and james clapper
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At the time.
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Again, no firsthand knowledge or evidence,
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And someone who said that even after reading the transcript,
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He didn't really see the issue there
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Until the whistleblower had explained it to him.
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- so once again,
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There's the director of national intelligence
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Laying out all the issues that they found with this.
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Also, we haven't seen the actual criminal referral itself.
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Normally those aren't made public.
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But what we do know is there's some quotes
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That fox news was able to see from it
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And said, "i wanna refer information
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That may constitute possible criminal activity
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In violation of federal criminal law
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Committed by one or more former employees
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Of the intelligence community."
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And this was obviously the letter,
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At the direction of the dni,
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Was sent by the general counsel
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Of the office of director of national intelligence.
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And furthermore, it says, "the possible criminal activity
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Concerns the circumstances
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Described in the following congressional briefings.
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Discussion with the intelligence community inspector general
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House permanent select committee,
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The briefing by the ica inspector general
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To the house permanent select committee,"
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And gives the dates.
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Now, jordan, one thing we do know.
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- [jordan] who was the head of that at that time?
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- right.
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We know that it was adam schiff.
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And one other thing that it has been brought out
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By tulsi gabbard during this
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Is that the house intelligence committee
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Would not release these transcripts
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To the house judiciary committee,
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Which pushed forward with the impeachment.
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So they didn't even have the full set of data to go off of
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To know these things about the alleged whistleblower,
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The witnesses, and the inspector general
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Whose entire process was out of the ordinary.
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- this is the research that's now in place right now.
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Which is, when they said,
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"no, we're not gonna give you the data."
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Did the data ever get to them eventually?
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Were they ever able to compromise behind closed doors?
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And it just was, it got so wild during that period of time
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That by that happened, you weren't even thinking
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About the second part?
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- [logan] right, it wasn't our focus then.
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- and we also know that, remember the russia stuff
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Starts with mueller, then they switch
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And they pivot to ukraine.
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I mean, it was any way we could try an impeachment,
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'cause they thought it was going to assist their base.
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There's arguments that it might have eventually.
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But what was interesting is that after the fact,
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It re-encouraged president trump's pace and in a huge way.
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- [logan] actually lit a fire.
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- he survived four years of being outside the white house
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And then came back even stronger in his second election,
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Third race.
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- yeah, there's some questions,
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And we talked a little about it yesterday,
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Of the sort of blanket immunity that was put out
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With his pardons by biden at the end.
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And if there would be any sort of issue with that,
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With who he's talking about
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And who these whistleblowers are
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To where the criminality side of it
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Could be a little taken care of.
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- well, it all depends on what pardon they received.
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What was the extent of that pardon?
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- some were so vague.
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It was like any and all.
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- you can sometimes challenge that.
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It's like so overly vague
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For the level of person this likely was.
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Because you know, the reports that john solomon said,
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And we have to corroborate that ourselves.
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- [logan] yeah.
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- as attorneys is that this person was not on the call.
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We know vidman was on the call, wrote his version of it.
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Then we know that adam schiff wrote his version of it
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Based off that.
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And then now we have this third person,
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Who wasn't on the call at all,
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But was actually the first person, it looks like,
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Who went to the doj.
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It wasn't exactly vidman,
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Probably because of his nsc role,
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Though i'm trying to figure out
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Who else would've overheard it
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If they weren't in that intelligence world.
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And the intelligence world, under law, guys,
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Is held to a higher standard than any normal.
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- [logan] anyone else.
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- kind of branch of the federal government.
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- and jordan, i think what makes this so remarkable,
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Finding it out now, even in light of you and your dad
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Fighting out that first impeachment
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In the well of the senate is that,
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What seemed to start this was the whistleblower
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Coordinating with adam schiff,
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And then going to the director of national intelligence's
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Inspector general's office,
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Which is supposed to be outside the scope
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Of the normal chain of command.
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They're the independent auditor internally, so to speak.
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And went and tried to get this urgent review process through
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To get it to congress.
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And by doing that,
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Because they knew they were on a timeline,
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We knew that they were trying to obstruct the election
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Through this, it was late 2019.
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And what they did is they get this urgent review process
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So that they can get it to congress quicker.
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And to get that, he had to lie and say,
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"i haven't already talked with people, members of congress."
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So it's abusing the process to try to get it out there,
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And make it seem like a bigger deal.
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The witnesses they brought in,
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One, the whistleblower under this
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Allegedly did not hear the phone call firsthand.
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The witnesses, one of the witnesses
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Told the inspector general,
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"i didn't think there was anything wrong with it
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Until someone said, 'hey, maybe there's something
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Wrong with that.' i went back and listened and be like,
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Well, yeah, i could maybe see that."
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So one of the witnesses wasn't even thinking
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It was a big deal until they were told
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To say it's a big deal.
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And the other one helped write the ica,
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Intelligence community assessment,
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Which launched the mueller probe,
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Which made up the russia collusion hoax
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And used the steal dossier and all of that nonsense
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To perpetrate that hoax on the american people.
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So what you're seeing in reality,
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When they call this a conspiracy,
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And that's the words that were coming
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Out of the director of national intelligence office,
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It does appear that way,
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That it wasn't like the russia hoax ever ended.
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It's the same conspiracy.
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The conspiracy wasn't russia hoax, the conspiracy is,
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Take down the sitting president of the united states,
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And they continued that over his entire presidency.
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- the house democrats,
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If they are successful in the midterm elections,
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Are gonna be under tremendous pressure
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To bring some kind of impeachment type of action
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Against president trump, and so.
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- and we've all expected that was gonna come.
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- right, even if the senate lost a few votes,
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If the senate did switch dem,
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You have to have a 60 vote majority there.
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So i'm not worried about an actual conviction
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At this point because at this point
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I'm trying to think like, what would it even be on?
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But they're pretty good at making up.
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- i think they're gonna say he launched an illegal war
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And therefore we must impeach him.
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I think that's probably one of the main ones.
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- the courts go to the war powers act
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And they go to political questions.
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Say, "congress, you had the power of the purse,
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And the purse kept spending money, so bad on you."
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I mean, so here's what i think.
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It's more complicated than what you're hearing in the news,
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As everything is that involves parliamentary rules,
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Congressional rules,
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The constitution of the united states, and laws,
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And whistleblowers, and people leaking.
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Like again, adam schiff wouldn't have heard about this,
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Logan, unless a whistleblower who was on a call
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Showed up at his office.
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- [logan] right.
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(gentle music continues)
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(dramatic music begins)
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(gentle music begins)
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- rick grenell's now joining us.
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Rick, there's a lot going on in the world.
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We're gonna talk to you about a little bit iran,
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A little about china, but of course we have to talk
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About what's happening in california as well,
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As the the race for governor kind of upended at this point
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When you have the exit of eric swalwell,
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Now who knows how he's doing,
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But enough to where clearly it's gonna change
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The trajectory a bit more.
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And you're starting to see some of the other candidates
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Show up on the more nationwide stage.
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I'd say they're already starting to appear.
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Jordan, you have something?
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- yeah, i mean, rick, we both cut our teeth
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In the political campaign world
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Before we moved on to other things.
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And so i gotta ask you this question,
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Which is, in california, you've got the jungle primary.
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Some people listening to this understand what that means.
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Others don't.
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So we could start there is,
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You've got a couple republicans
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Who are doing very well in that,
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One endorsed by president trump, one a sheriff,
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And then you had this kind of fight between eric swalwell,
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I believe is it katie rose, rick, that is the other?
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- [rick] katie porter.
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- katie porter.
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And they're.
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- [logan] katie rose is one of my freaks.
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No, i'm just kidding.
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(logan laughs)
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- and so, in a sense it was like,
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As you're hearing from people,
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Everybody on the left knew about this.
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And when he was starting causing them a political problem,
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Because of the jungle primary, i want you to explain,
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I mean literally, and rick will corroborate this,
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Because of a jungle primary, you could literally only have
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For choice for governor, two people from the same party,
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And in this case potentially two republicans.
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- well, so here's the jungle primary,
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The top two vote getters are the ones that move on,
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And you vote in the general election for the top two.
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Doesn't matter which party they come from.
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But remember we have a big challenge in california.
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If you look at the math, you don't look at the polling
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Or you look at the spin, the math of voter registration
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Tells the whole story.
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We are woefully behind as republicans on voter registration.
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We don't even get to start from a position
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Where we have a shot at winning the governor's seat
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Because there are so many more democrats
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Or non-party preference voters registered.
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Remember only 50% of society is registered to vote.
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And out of the 50 that are registered, only 40% show up.
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So the republican numbers are very small.
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There's no possible way we're gonna have two republicans
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In the field.
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There could have been maybe like a 1% chance,
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Which is why the democrats really went after eric swalwell.
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The top three candidates for the democrats are tom steyer,
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Eric swalwell, and katie porter.
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They have been slugging it out.
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And with two republicans that were so close,
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We split our small vote,
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And that meant we didn't even have a shot
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Of getting into the top two.
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Donald trump comes in, he endorses steve hilton.
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That means steve hilton now is the one with the shot
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Of hopefully trying to get into the top two.
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I'm still pessimistic that we're gonna be able to do that,
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Because especially now with eric swalwell dropping out,
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You really only have two top candidates.
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There's an emerging guy who's the mayor of san jose,
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His last name is mahan, and he is coming up strong,
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And he's trying to be like,
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"oh, i'm this new common sense moderate democrat."
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I've always thought that the common sense moderate democrat
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Could come in and sweep.
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People are hungry for common sense reformers.
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I think that that person has a great shot,
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Except i don't think mahan is the guy.
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I think he's demonstrated that he's a lefty,
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A radical lefty, and he's not a moderate,
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Although he's trying to appear to be one.
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Let's see what happens.
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I still think there could be a lot of people
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Voting for eric swalwell,
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Because they just don't know about the negatives.
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There's a lot of people who are just gonna see his name
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And vote for him.
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Katie porter still has a strong sense
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Of trying to be a common sense democrat.
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So it's all up in the air.
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We'll see what happens.
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But i think the math is not on republican side.
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- i did want to ask you about this
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Because we know the president next month has a summit
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With xi jinping.
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We have seen china, for the most part,
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Be out of this conflict with iran, even though we know
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That it hurts their interests
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When iran is not able to ship their oil.
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What's kind of your take on us relations with china
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As we look forward to this summit?
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Also knowing with the blockade in force
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That president trump has put,
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Which hurts the energy of china.
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- look, president trump is a great negotiator.
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He's got this perfect timing thing yet again
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As we're trying to leverage with iran,
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He's got an upcoming trip to china.
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China really wants to work with him.
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He's gonna use that moment to get china on our side.
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They're already squeezing iran, at least,
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Saying we don't want to have this conflict.
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I think iran is in a terrible position right now
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In terms of negotiation.
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Their economy is tanking.
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This blockade is really beginning to work,
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And the upcoming meeting with china,
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I think spells disaster for iran.
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- [logan] yeah, rick, thanks for joining us today.
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- logan, i kind of wanna play this for the audience.
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This is another bite
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From the director of national intelligence, tulsi gabbard,
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Talking about even the inspector general himself.
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We've talked a good amount about the whistleblower
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That was trying to weaponize this process
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To get it before congress, to get it to adam schiff
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As quickly as possible ahead of a 2020 election,
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And try to get this
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Quickly before the democrats in congress,
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But also the inspector general himself,
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Who has also been referred for criminal prosecution
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By the office of director of national intelligence,
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Here's what she had to say,
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Talking specifically about the inspector general
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And his role in this.
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And go ahead, we'll play bite one.
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- and lastly, the inspector general himself,
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And this is really such a violation of public trust
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And the responsibility that we expect
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All of our inspectors generals to have
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In that he didn't conduct a full investigation.
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He didn't even ask to see the transcript of the phone call
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Between president trump and zelensky.
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And he admitted to congress that he didn't have any first,
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He did not have any evidence that he was relying on.
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He had made a criminal referral
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To the department of justice
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Based on this so-called whistleblower's complaint.
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Department of justice came back and said
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There's nothing here.
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This inspector general then went to congress anyway
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And presented to them all of this,
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Coming down to the bottom line of which this was a partisan
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Political attempt, once again,
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To undermine the will of the american people
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Who elected donald trump as president of the united states.
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- i don't think that it's shocking that this report exists.
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It's more shocking how flippant they seem to have been
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About how sort of honest sometimes they were.
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- they told us this, let's start a criminal investigation,
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And let's all set doj,
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And let's start the impeachment inquiry now, so we can.
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- yeah, they're saying there's nothing here.
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And they go, "eh, keep going."
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- well, what's even crazier is when you read
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Some of the other stuff in the report
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That came out earlier this week.
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That inspector general, you can tell,
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Then had this agenda and found a way,
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And was pushing it alongside the alleged whistleblower,
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And was even reaching out to other inspectors general,
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Talking to the state department,
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Talking to the dojs inspector general,
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Talking to the pentagon,
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Trying to get them on board saying,
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"hey, if they block me,"
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Because clearly he didn't have really the evidence
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That he needed.
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"if i get blocked, can you pick it up and run with it?"
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They had a goal in mind.
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It wasn't just, this is a whistleblower report,
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Which we know very well,
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Because we've had to represent real whistleblowers
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That went through the legal process, the chain of command,
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The reporting process,
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All things that are statutorily set out.
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They tried to completely implode that process
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To get an impeachment, a political impeachment.
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Meanwhile, the real whistleblowers
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That we have had to represent,
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Their livelihood's taken away,
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Caught in this legal purgatory
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Where they can't go get more work
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Because they're just suspended without pay for years.
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And finally with this new administration,
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We got justice for them.
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But that's what the biden administration
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Did to real whistleblowers.
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Meanwhile, the deep state "whistleblowers"
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Under that first administration were weaponizing
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This entire system for a political means,
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To try and get rid of a sitting us president
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When their first attempt at it,
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The russia collusion hoax, failed.
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- failed, i mean a hoax is even now like a nice word
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To say about it.
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I mean, it was just made up lies.
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- fraud, conspiracy, coup, pick the real descriptor.
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- probably, i mean, honestly,
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It looked like the intel committee had been,
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A fast one was pulled on them,
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Likely by the russian federation,
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And i'm sure they were shocked how quick they bought it,
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And that they went so far as to almost shut down
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Our country, and guess who that helps?
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The russian federation and their allies.
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So i also think, when we talk about all this impeachment,
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We are hearing it a lot too by democrats
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Who are running in the house.
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Many of them are using that in the bluer districts
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Or in some of the purple ones as saying,
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"listen, you elect me, we'll hold 'em accountable again."
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So you go back to that time, not because they'll,
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Even if the senate flipped,
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Which i don't necessarily believe it will,
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But even if it did, they'll never hit the threshold.
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The 60 threshold off of so far what's happened
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This 18 months.
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So it's just politics.
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But what did that politics do as someone who was there?
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It didn't stop the president
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From being able to do their job,
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But it distracted the american people.
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- [logan] it's a lot of work.
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- and it shut down our ability
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For our congress to take action during that entire process.
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- right, even if you knew what the outcome was,
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It still is a painful experience.
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- painful for not just the president of the united states,
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The executive branch, which it is.
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- [logan] the entire government, yeah.
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- but the senators who had to sit there for days
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Knowing that at the end of the day, there is no way,
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Regardless of what side you were on,
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That the president was going anywhere.
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And yet they did it.
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Even they were so committed to it
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That they did it even after he was no longer president.
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So that's why i think all these issues are important
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To get out now, because politically,
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We don't know what the midterm outcomes will be.
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And i just feel like whoever comes out,
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If the democrats come out,
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And whatever leadership battle they have,
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It's gonna make jeffries and people of the past
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Look like moderates.
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- [logan] moderates, yeah.
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- well, and when you think about this as well,
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When jordan says they shut down the country
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From being able to operate, that was the very beginning,
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The impeachment trial, very beginning of 2020.
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- [logan] yeah.
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- what happened right after the acquittal?
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- [logan] yeah within six months.
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- the entire country shut down.
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And so that entire year, that was an election year,
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Was shut down as far as the ability,
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Especially at that time,
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Of the government to function properly.
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And it all was started, it all was kicked off
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By an impeachment trial.
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- and let's quickly take christopher in north carolina.
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Go ahead, christopher.
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- [christopher] back when i was a kid,
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I used to read a lot of laws.
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I was just interested in all the laws
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That were on the books, and one of the laws that i read,
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I just loved, having been falsely accused of things
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As a kid.
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The law was that if somebody testifies under oath
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Of something they know is not true, if they're caught,
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They would actually have to serve the sentence
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That they were trying to get imposed on the person
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They were testifying against.
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Is that still a law?
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And if it is, then why aren't we using it?
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- well, on a federal level, that is not a law.
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So once again, when you look at things like this,
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Like lying before congress or to an inspector general,
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Perjury, those type of things,
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Also the punishment here that we got to was impeachment.
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You can't impeach the whistleblower,
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Who probably is not employed by the intelligence community.
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- but you can still, christopher, hold people accountable.
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And that's what tulsi gabbard is doing.
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That's what's happening right now.
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Even when it feels like time has moved on
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And it's impossible to do it.
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We're actually seeing those kind of changes happening.
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So a lot of what you've been pushing for,
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Whether it's christopher, a lot of our supporters,
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Who say nothing ever feels like it happens.
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Well it's happening.
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You just gotta put your eyes on it, pay attention to it.
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It may not be your number one story on the news,
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But there are things happening right now.
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Again, when you go, "where is the justice in this?"
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Well, here you go.
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Sekulow - Impeachment Whistleblower Referred For Prosecution

April 29, 2026 | 26:29

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