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- welcome to "sekulow." we've got big news today.
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As it was revealed by chairman grassley,
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Who was given documents by the fbi
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That show that the special counsel jack smith
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Was spying on us senators.
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There were eight us senators and one us congressman,
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All republicans, no surprise there,
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That had gotten all their phone records
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From a certain period of time.
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And we're gonna get into all that.
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We've got a jam packed show today.
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We have jordan sekulow in studio with me.
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Jay sekulow, chief counsel of the aclj
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Will be joining us in the next segment.
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And then, senator bill hagerty from tennessee,
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Who was one of the targets of jack smith's spying
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Will be joining us later in the broadcast.
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So, make sure you share this broadcast.
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We want as many people to see this
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Because it is breathtaking what the fbi and jack smith
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Were doing under the biden administration.
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You're looking at these things.
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And one, i thought it was very telling
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That attorney general, pam bondi-
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- yeah. - was very careful,
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Which is great.
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When senator graham- - it's nice to see that again.
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- asked her, "do you think this was an abuse of power?"
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Which seems like an opinion question
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You can pontificate about.
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- right. - but she stops it and says,
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"senator, i cannot discuss whether there is or is not
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An ongoing investigation."
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- yeah, she already answered that question with,
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If there's abuse of power,
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The department of justice would be looking into it,
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And they can't confirm those in public hearings
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To those senators.
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So, again, that was her immediate response.
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To me, again, i said, i...
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It doesn't tell anything a hundred percent,
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But like you said, if there wasn't one started yet,
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Your answer could be it appears that way
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And that's why we believe we're going to start,
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You know, preliminary investigating this to decide if we,
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It needs to go further.
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And then, you would use answers like that in the future
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If the investigation actually did begin later.
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To me, it sounds like the moment
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They knew this information existed,
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Which may be the moment that senator grassley
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Got the letter sent to them,
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Or around the same time that kash patel delivered this,
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That investigation was likely opened
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Into this specific part of jack smith's investigation,
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Which is what on earth was he doing
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And his team and the fbi?
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So, you've got doj, you've got special counsel,
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And you've got fbi special agents and their advisory agents
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Okaying going into a grand jury and asking for this data
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On us senators' cell phone calls.
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- and jordan, i think we should play this clip
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From senator hawley this morning in the same hearing
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With attorney general bondi
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Asks more about- - remind you,
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He's on the list too.
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He's one of- - he's on the list.
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He is one of these senators
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That was spied on by the government.
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So, let's hear what he has to talk about as well as,
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Once again, asking about the investigation.
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And the way that the attorney general,
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I think appropriately answers the question, byte 17.
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- we've got a list.
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Tapped my phone, tapped lindsey graham's phone,
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Tapped marsha blackburn's phone,
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Tapped five other phones of united states senators.
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Gee, it sure looks like targeting political opponents to me.
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And yet i haven't heard a word from that side of the dais
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About any concern whatsoever.
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We've got nothing but concerns today, but no concern at all
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For a justice department that is tapping the phones
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Of sitting united states senators, because who knows why?
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They don't like 'em.
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They're members of the opposition party.
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They're republicans, they're conservatives.
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You've seen this document, attorney general bondi.
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What was going on here? who ordered this?
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Who ordered the tapping of the phones
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Of united states senators?
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- senator hawley, i cannot discuss the details
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Of that right now for very good reason.
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- you're gonna do a thorough investigation
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Into this, i trust.
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Is that correct?
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- we will be looking at all aspects of this,
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And i have talked to director patel at length about this.
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- and you're gonna- - once again, jordan,
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It's refreshing to not have merrick garland up there
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Trying to answer these questions.
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- yes. - naturally.
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- [jordan] or not answer these questions.
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- the democrats would be covering for him as well
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If this was to arise.
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- yeah, she went a little further there.
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She said, you know, it's being investigated.
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- right. - so we can say,
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Is it a criminal investigation yet?
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We don't know.
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It's likely not at that point yet.
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But if the department of justice is leading an investigation
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Of conduct by a special counsel appointed through the doj
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Who utilized doj officials and the fbi,
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It certainly and it was a criminal investigation,
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Then if there was wrongdoing there,
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It would be criminal conduct.
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I mean, listen, this is very serious.
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And again, to underscore the importance
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Of fighting back here is not just to protect
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The senators' constitutional rights,
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But all of our constitutional rights.
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Because if it's this easy to get their information,
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How easy is it to tap your phone?
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- welcome back to "sekulow."
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Will haynes here. jordan sekulow in studio with me.
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And we have jay sekulow, chief counsel
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Of the american center for law and justice on the line.
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We're talking about this operation arctic frost,
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The investigation by the fbi, which predated jack smith,
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But then jack smith took over
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When he became the special counsel.
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In this shocking revelation
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That was released through senator grassley,
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Chairman grassley, and by the fbi
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As they've been looking into these investigations
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That happened under the previous administration.
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And what we find out
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Is that the fbi targeted eight us senators
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And one member of the house of representatives
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By requesting over two years after the phone records,
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They call it toll data, which would be the locations,
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The durations of calls, and who the senator was calling
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From their cell phones to get information as a part
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Of this arctic frost investigation
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That jack smith was heading up as special counsel.
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I wanna go right now to chief counsel jay sekulow.
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What was your first reaction when you heard
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What this special counsel was doing
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In targeting these us senators?
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- [jay] well, listen.
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I think this is, you talk about an outrage.
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I mean, i want everybody to put this into a context.
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Could you imagine if it was a different situation
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And it was the department of justice
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Under president trump spying on six democratic senators?
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What the reaction would be?
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I mean, let's just think about that for a moment.
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Now, take a step back.
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Why in the world did jack smith try to get the records,
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Phone records of a co-equal branch of government,
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Five senators and member of the house of representative?
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For what purpose?
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Now, he targets this around the january 6th time
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Because he was concerned that maybe these senators
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Were ones that voted, were gonna vote not to certify.
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Let's assume that was true just for the sake of argument.
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You know what the answer of that is? so what?
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You're the special counsel.
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You're not the governor of the elections.
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And a sitting us senator can vote any way they want.
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They're elected, and if you don't like the way they vote,
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You vote for somebody else.
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But this action by jack smith,
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I think just typifies what was going on
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With the weaponization of the department of justice.
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And i'll tell you who needs to be held accountable here.
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Jack smith.
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And we, i asked our team yesterday to start a process of,
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We'll start with the foia,
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Freedom of information act request,
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To find out exactly whose idea arctic frost was
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And what they were up to.
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But this should be sending shockwaves
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To members of congress, republican and democrats,
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That a special counsel was going after them.
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- yeah, well, dad, what's also,
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You know, not shocking about this,
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But illuminating is that what's redacted from the memo
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That was given to chairman grassley, of course,
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Was the special agents at the fbi
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Who signed off on this program,
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Who signed off on this investigation
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And to jack smith's team.
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But i want you to walk through this.
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This mean that jack smith's team went to a court
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To get a warrant
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So they could obtain this data from phone companies.
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And then, you look at constitutional protections
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That we all have, including us senators
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Like the fourth amendment.
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I mean, what?
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That there were probable cause
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That they were engaged in a crime?
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- well, look, i mean, it's not just the fourth amendment.
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I mean, the fourth amendment certainly is one of 'em,
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But you know, the speech and debate clause
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Of the constitution protects members in their official act,
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Even if you disagree with their vote.
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But yeah, i mean it's, jordan, you bring up a great point.
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This idea that you have a situation where,
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Just think about this more.
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The department of justice lawyers went to a judge and say,
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"we need these records."
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Now, was it a fisa judge, was it a district court judge?
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Don't know the details of that yet.
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But the point of the matter is, why are we shocked?
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This is the same department of justice at the time
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That went into the fisa court
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And falsified emails to get a warrant.
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Signed off on, by the way, agreed to
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By james comey and andrew mccabe and others.
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So, this is just part and parcel
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Of a much, much deeper problem.
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- well, and when you also look at the timeline
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Of how this investigation even unfolded where, you know,
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The department of justice under joe biden
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Didn't do anything for the first almost year and a half
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Until they launched this arctic frost only april of 2022.
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And then, they didn't appoint jack smith
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Until november of 2022
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Right before the election season
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Started to really get underway,
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As you start to look at primaries and things of that nature.
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And then president trump was indicted june 8th of 2023,
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Right ahead of the election.
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These records weren't requested by jack smith and his team
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Until september 27th of 2023.
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Just under a year from an election.
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And you start to wonder
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When it's only republican senators being targeted,
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Obviously with the nature of that,
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That you would expect that that is what would happen
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Because it was a politically motivated investigation.
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But you start to really question
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Even more election interference
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When not only are you going after
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The person running for president,
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But also members of congress that are against the party
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That was in power at the time.
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It raises a lot of questions
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About what the political motivations were.
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- [jay] well, i mean, we know
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What the political motivations were.
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I mean, let's be realistic.
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This whole scam was put on the american people.
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We paid for this. our taxpayer dollars paid for all this.
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And what was the end result?
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The end result appears to be six senators
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Had their phone records subpoenaed by a special counsel
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To find out who they were talking to.
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I mean, you know, who they were talking to?
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I mean, think about this for a moment.
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These are the people you elected
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And that you've got now a department of justice
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That had a special counsel's office set up.
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By the way, jack smith could have said,
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"we're not gonna use that information.
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We're not going to continue this.
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We're not gonna look at this."
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That's not the point. the point is they did.
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And the point is they did this.
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I mean, the thing that has to be underscored here,
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This wasn't some thought maybe we should do this.
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They actually did this.
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But it's no different.
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I go back to the irs tea party scandal.
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Remember that one we litigated for several years,
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Had a great victory in?
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Look at the targeting there.
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Remember those emails between lois lerner
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And some of the others where they said things like,
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"hey, if we can bring one criminal case,
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We can shut all this down.
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Maybe we can get doj to chill this down."
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I mean, this was what the way,
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This was the way in which they were operating.
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And i think, look, what's happening now
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Is it's coming to light because there's new leadership
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In the department of justice.
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Great leadership under pam bondi, and we're gonna find out
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That unfortunately there's gonna be more of this.
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So, that's the thing i really hate.
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There's gonna be more of this.
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- yeah, i mean, what's also interesting here is not only,
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You know, did we kind of already expect
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This kind of behavior out of the fbi
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During this time period, but the judges, federal judges
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Who were an independent branch of government, dad,
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Were rubber stamping this for them.
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Rubber stamping,
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Tracking data. - yes.
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- who senators are talking to.
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Where they're located.
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Just give us names
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And we'll give you the warrant to get the information.
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- [jay] well, i mean, i wanna, i'd like to know
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What in the world these judges were thinking, like you said,
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That they would think it was appropriate
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To get phone records and information
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From phone companies on members of the united states senate,
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Some of which who serve on very significant committees.
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And then, the judges thought that was okay too.
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But you know, look, if you look at the,
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I'll never forget this.
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The lawyer that mishandled and then changed an email
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And filed a false document with the court, the fisa court,
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Ends up getting suspended from the practice of law
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For six months and he's back at practicing law now.
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This is outrageous.
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And it's just, we're now gonna get to this.
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We said you gotta have patience.
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And we've instructed our team
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To start the work to get to the bottom.
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We're gonna get to the bottom of operation arctic frost.
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We're gonna thaw it out.
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I mean, listen, if this can happen to a us senator
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And a federal judge will rubber stamp this?
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You, me, anybody listening or watching this show or podcast,
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However they're getting this information from us today,
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Then they'd have, they wouldn't even pause
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To give a warrant to the fbi for their information for ours.
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- a hundred percent.
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That's a chilling effect of all of this.
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- yeah. - and that's why
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I think what we need to do now that it's been uncovered,
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Is now we go to work.
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That's why the support that our members
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And our aclj champions give the aclj is so significant.
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We need to encourage to do that.
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I was already talking about this with my dad last night
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About how aclj can get involved
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And the multiple ways we can get involved to uncover this
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Because usually when you get this information,
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It's just the beginning.
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And this is yet another investigation
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That we need to peel back the layers of the onion on.
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- welcome back to "sekulow."
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We are still going over this.
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It was released by chairman grassley
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Of the senate oversight committee, as well as by the fbi
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Who gave the document to senator grassley,
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And then also simultaneously released it.
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This comes at a time where we know the fbi
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Is looking at a lot of the activity
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Under the previous leadership of the fbi,
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Under christopher wray,
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As well as what the department of justice was doing
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With special counsels and things of that nature,
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When it comes to politically motivated investigations
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And who they were going after.
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And the saddest part about this is that none of these things
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Are shocking in the way that they should be.
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They're shocking because it should never happen in america.
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But you sit there and go,
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Well, of course, they were doing this.
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Of course, they were getting the phone records
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Of sitting senators because their respect
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For the rule of law did not exist.
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And we saw that with every policy
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Of the biden administration, whether it be the border
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Or the way they handled free speech rights
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When it comes to people protesting abortion
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And standing up for life.
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Or if it came to the protections
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Of the constitution for sitting us senators,
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Including the chairman of the judiciary committee
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Who has oversight of the very department
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That was investigating him.
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So, let's go ahead and listen
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To what senator graham had to say because senator graham
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Ties this also with the comey indictment
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Because of all the outrage on the left saying,
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"how dare you go after james comey
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And indict him when he broke the law?"
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But let's go ahead and play byte 7 for folks.
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- why are we looking at comey?
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Because he ran an fbi
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And personally knew about its (indistinct) information
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And let it slide.
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How in the (beep) can two fbi agents interview a man
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Who says the document you're using
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Against a sitting president
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To suggest he may be a russian agent
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Or a carter page that is now no longer reliable.
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How does that not get to the court?
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Can you tell me how that doesn't get to the court?
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You can't, can you?
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- i can't, senator.
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And i can't discuss- - can you tell me
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Why my phone records
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When i'm the chairman of the judiciary committee
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Were sought by the jack smith agents?
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Why did they ask to know who i called
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And what i was doing from january 4th to the 7th?
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Can you tell me that?
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- no, senator.
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And there were eight senators in total.
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- yeah. do you think that was an abuse of power?
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- senator, i cannot discuss
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Whether there is or is not an ongoing investigation.
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If i may add one thing.
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They also wasted $50 million on what you just described,
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Trying to put president trump in jail prior to the election.
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- so, right there,
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We hear someone very upset, rightfully so.
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Senator graham, chairman of the judiciary committee
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At the time that all this went down,
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Asking the current attorney general about this situation.
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And i think we should list the other senators as well.
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This is senator lindsey graham,
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Senator bill hagerty from tennessee,
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Senator josh hawley from missouri.
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We have tommy tuberville, senator from alabama,
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Ron johnson from wisconsin.
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Senator cynthia lummis from wyoming,
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Senator marsha blackburn from tennessee.
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We have the congressman, mike kelly from pennsylvania.
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And then, we have dan sullivan,
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The senator from alaska as well on this list.
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So, across the united states, eight senators,
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Most of them very conservative.
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- some- - yeah.
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- you probably actually never, you don't hear a lot about
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Like dan sullivan or cynthia lummis aren't the ones
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That you're always seeing in the headlines.
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But jordan, clearly the senators are not pleased
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With what they found out. - no.
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And from their perspective,
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I know we were going back and forth
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Because on the document of whether or not
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This was a warrant issued by a judge,
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Was it issued by a grand jury
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That a judge would just kind of oversee?
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And the senators in their statement,
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The senators who were targeted do believe
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It was from a grand jury that did it.
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That it was from one of the grand juries,
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I guess, the dc grand jury
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That was in panel likely by jack smith.
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So, that he went to the grand jury to then ask
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To be able to get, to go to the telephone companies
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To get this information on these senators.
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But as you heard from pam bondi,
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Of course, as attorney general,
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As a part of the department of justice,
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She can't confirm or deny if there's investigations ongoing.
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I can't imagine if if you were a betting person
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That an investigation is not ongoing.
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It might have just started very soon.
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Very, you know, just recently because to my knowledge,
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This was unknown. - right.
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- no one was talking about, hey, this might come out.
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Even people who usually have access
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To this kind of information were saying,
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"yeah, i think they were also spying
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On a group of senators as well."
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I mean, i don't, maybe some people said that generically.
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But honestly, if you were gonna then give me
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The list of those senators, this is not the list
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I would've expected. - right.
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- i mean, a couple of these names on here
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Are some of the louder voices.
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Some of the names on here are not.
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And as my dad said, the idea is this was going to be
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About whether or not they voted to certify an election,
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Which they are elected by their constituents
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To cast that vote on.
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And what does jack smith have to do?
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What does that have to do with january 6th?
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What does that have to do with the jack smith investigation?
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What does that have to do
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With any potential illegal conduct?
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And it doesn't.
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It's protected so many different ways in the constitution
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And it should just, again, it's something
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That should never happen in the united states.
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- we are joined by the senator from tennessee,
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Bill hagerty, who was a part of this targeting
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By jack smith and the fbi.
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And jordan, i wanna toss it over to you
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As we get right into this with the senator.
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- yeah, senator hagerty.
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I just wanna get first your reaction when you found out
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That you were part of these eight senators
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And one member of congress, all republicans,
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Who were targeted by jack smith
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Through what appears to be a grand jury that decided
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That it would be okay to, for his agents to tap your phones.
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They call it tolling, which is your location,
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The duration, and who you were talking to,
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So what is the other phone number.
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Your reaction when this news first was released?
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- [bill] well, jordan, initially i was shocked.
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And then, heartbroken.
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I mean, if you think about it,
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If political operatives at the fbi
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Are allowed to do this to me?
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I'm a sitting united states senator.
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I was the us ambassador to japan.
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If they can do this to me, they can do it to you.
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They can do it to the american people.
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If they're so bold to think
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That they could get away with doing this,
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Having an executive branch, law enforcement agency
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Reach over into the legislative branch
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And come after sitting senators
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That have oversight responsibilities for them,
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It is just beyond the pale.
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And it makes you ask yourself,
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"what else have they gotten away with?"
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If they're that bold, what else did they try to do?
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We're just getting to the tip of the iceberg here
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With this revelation.
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And we need to get to the bottom of it
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As quickly as possible.
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I wanna see people prosecuted
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To the fullest extent of the law,
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Not only because i wanna do that
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To dissuade others from doing this in the future,
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But i think it's critical, jordan,
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To restore confidence in institutions like the fbi.
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The rank and file of the fbi,
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Look at what they're doing in memphis.
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They're doing yeoman's work.
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But you have leadership that is corrupt like this.
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Like this jack smith that they brought in.
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Merrick garland who supported it. christopher wray.
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I mean, you have to ask yourself
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About christopher wray, jordan.
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If he did know, clearly an abuse of power.
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If he didn't know, it's a dereliction of duty.
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This is rotten to the core.
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And now, we've got eight united states senators
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That are on top of this.
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- yeah, and i mean, if you look
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At the constitutional violations,
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One specific protections that do exist
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Just for those federally elected officials like you,
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Article i, section vi, the speech and debate clause,
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Also the fourth amendment.
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The fact that this, to get a grand jury warrant,
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They would have to say that this was somehow connected
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To a criminal act, that these phone calls would somehow
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Help them determine whether probable cause exists,
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That other crimes were committed.
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I mean, all of this just reeks.
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And of course they go into likely a grand jury
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In washington, dc, and they just get rubber stamps
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To track your phones, and like you said, senator hagerty,
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I can't believe this is the end of this.
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I really believe this is just the beginning.
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- [bill] no, you're you're exactly right, jordan.
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And i tell you,
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As you ran through the constitutional implications,
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It just made me thankful that i have a friend like you
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That is such a great constitutional scholar.
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I know where to go for help on this
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And we're gonna need a lot of help
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To get to the bottom of the constitutional violations
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And the criminal activity.
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And then, i'll just reiterate some of the things
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That the biden fbi has done to the american public.
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And when you take all this into perspective,
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You've gotta ask yourself,
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"what has happened, what has gone wrong?"
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When the fbi can basically sic their agents
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On parents who go to school board meetings
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And actually speak out about their concerns
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About graphic material that's being presented or even worse.
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You know, school officials that are quote,
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"transitioning their children
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Without letting the parents know."
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They complain about this, they get surveilled.
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If you think about the raid on mar-a-lago,
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That was an absolute disgrace.
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Democrats didn't blink an eye.
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They even targeted catholics in america
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For the way they worshiped in their beliefs.
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It just goes on and on.
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And you've got to ask yourself, "where did it stop?"
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But if they were bold enough to come after me,
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Again, a sitting senator, a former us ambassador to japan.
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They're bold enough to come after me.
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They're bold enough to come after
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Seven of my senate colleagues here and a congressman.
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Then, who knows what they've done.
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And we're gonna have to get as deep into this
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As we personally can and hold these people accountable.
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- you know, folks, again, that's why we try to,
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It's a different kind of broadcast,
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A different kinda show and analysis you're getting here
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Because these are people we work with regularly.
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So, when times are, when we're talking kind of normal,
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If there is normal washington dc policy and issues,
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And then when times are more than bizarre,
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When our constitution has been trampled on.
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And they can lead a charge,
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Us alongside them and the aclj
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To protect that senator hagerty said, all of us.
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All of us. and we've gotta do that.
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Because if it's so easy
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To get this information on a us senator,
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How easy is it to get the information on a private citizen?
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- [jordan] as always, let me thank everybody at tbn
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For providing this time to us at no cost so we
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Can update you on the most important issues of the day.
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From all of us at the aclj, thanks, tbn.
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Sekulow - Jack Smith Spied On Senators

October 22, 2025 | 29:19

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