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Sekulow | Sekulow - More Trouble In Minnesota | January 21, 2026

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- you know, every day, we have a meeting.
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We talk about what we're gonna talk about.
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We're gonna go through new shows and we're gonna,
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What's the segment's gonna be today?
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What's the topic's gonna be?
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In the beginning of today, we said,
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"you know what, enough with the minnesota.
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We gotta take a pause.
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We're wearing people out on minnesota.
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Not everyone is this involved
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In what's happening in minnesota."
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And we said, "okay, well,
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There's nothing new to talk about, that'll be fine."
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And then about 10 minutes before we go on the air,
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Of course, something new has to break,
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And it's once again another instance of potential fraud
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And really the fallout from the immense fraud scandal
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That has rocked minnesota.
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- that's right, so as of right now,
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There's a hearing happening for the us congress
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And the house of representatives about the fraud here,
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About the fraud situation in minnesota.
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Right now, it's members of the republican state house
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And things of that nature that are going over this,
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Members of the doj that are testifying
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Before congress about this situation.
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But at a time when all eyes are on minnesota
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And everyone is concerned and in some ways, justified,
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In other ways, maybe it's gotten hyperbolic
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- maybe paranoia. - in some ways
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Because of how the left has responded in things saying like,
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"no, we already took care of it years ago.
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There's no big deal here."
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But then there clearly was something there there,
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Because even tim walz himself had to drop out
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Of his next election due to the scandal.
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But you would think that optics would be something
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That people care about at this time,
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Making sure that they're not doing anything
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That could either raise tensions or cause scrutiny.
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Maybe they can get it settled down
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And get back to a positive for their state.
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But what we're seeing now is we know
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That this budget fight is coming once again.
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Remember at the end of january,
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We could potentially see another government shutdown.
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Ilhan omar, the representative from minnesota,
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As well as the two senators, amy klobuchar and tina smith,
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Have earmarked a million dollars.
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So in the grand scheme of things,
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Not a ton in terms of earmarks for non-government agencies
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And things of that nature in minnesota.
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A million dollars that would go to a nonprofit
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That is, "works to create a better,
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Safer, more connected community
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For individuals experiencing drug addiction
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And substance use disorders
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In the greater east african community
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Of the twin cities metro area."
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They have a single line item earmark for a million dollars
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In the next round of funding
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That is going to go before a fight
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That people have now been like, "wait, why now?
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Why is this million dollars so important now?"
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And for them, the devil's advocate,
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Why would they think it's a good idea?
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Let's raise a spotlight on one single organization
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At the time when all this is going on.
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- yeah. - it raises questions
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Not just about how things work in minnesota,
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But also the use of taxpayer money in this way.
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The special interest,
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The earmarking of special projects like this,
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It's showing the american people they're fed up
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At the way that washington has been operating
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For a long time. - yeah, i think it has
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Very little to do with the actual root of this,
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Which is of course,
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If funding is going to things
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Like addiction recovery, fantastic.
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I think that that is a necessary expense
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If you are to expend money like this.
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If you are going to be spending money like this, sure.
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Now there's some odd issues that have come up now
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With this organization.
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It's not to say this organization is, you know,
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Fraudulent or having any issues,
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But there were at least some moments
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Where make your ears perk up,
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Where at least the discussion happened
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Of what's going on inside of this one.
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And again, like you said,
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It may be paranoia and maybe more than that.
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We're gonna keep the discussion rolling.
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Rick grenell's gonna be joining us later today.
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We got a pretty packed show,
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But we got plenty of time for calls
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And we'll be back with more on "sekulow".
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Don't go anywhere.
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- if you've seen the headlines,
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The headlines read something to the effect of,
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"democrats steer a million dollars
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To an addiction group operating in minneapolis
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In a somali restaurant amid the fraud fallout."
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Now again, i wanna make sure
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That we don't suggest things like,
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"hey, this was meeting in a restaurant."
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Yeah, if you look at the organization's website,
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Which does exist, you know,
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They've got a little bit more background than maybe,
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Than a lot some of these organizations.
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They say, "yeah, we meet in this restaurant
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Along with other different places."
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And look, i'm not playing devil's advocate here,
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But i'm also saying we gotta make sure
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That we also are playing by the rules here and we're fair.
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But you understand when you look up,
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Oh, where's this $1 million going to right now?
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And that is earmarked
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From some of these leaders in minneapolis,
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And you realize it's going to a addiction recovery center
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That may or may not be actually in a restaurant
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That you at least would question the authenticity.
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- well, and i think this goes to the larger discussion
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Of what we've been saying since doge was a thing, right?
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Is that it's waste, fraud, and abuse.
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Not all mismanagement of government funds is fraud
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Where someone is stealing it.
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No use that is going towards the alleged
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Explanation of the use,
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Like just stealing money. - you may just disagree with.
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- right, then there's waste,
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Spending money on things that shouldn't be spent on
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That's just a complete waste of taxpayer money,
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And then there's abuse,
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Which is abusing the system to get more money
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Into places that maybe it shouldn't be
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Or there's abuse of the mechanisms that govern that.
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So there are kind of these three categories of spending
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That's frowned upon, i think we would say,
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By a majority of americans at this point.
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And so when we talk about these things,
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It doesn't necessarily mean,
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And we firmly believe in america,
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You are innocent until proven guilty.
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That is the basis of our legal system,
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That is a benchmark that we don't ever wanna lose.
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But you would think that the political ramifications for,
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You saw how tim walz denied
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That there was even a fraud problem as it kept growing,
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And all of a sudden, he has to not run again,
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That these senators and ilhan omar would think maybe
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At a time where this debate is raging,
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So much so that our preferred person
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As governor of the state
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Because he was also the nominee for the vice presidency
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Of the united states just some months ago,
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Maybe we shouldn't be earmarking,
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It's not even like it was an earmark
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For addiction recovery in minneapolis
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To go to the state agency to then dole it out.
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This was an earmark for a million dollars
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Of department of justice money to go to this group.
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And i think a lot of people
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In american consciousness may think of
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If an individual group gets a grant of a million dollars,
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Which is so funny that we're sitting here thinking
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A million dollars isn't a lot of money
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- yeah, well- - because of how widespread
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The fraud that has been uncovered is,
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They were like- - yeah,
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When the billion-dollar words start throwing around,
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Then you know, a million dollars is like,
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"yeah, it's nothing." - right, but this group,
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And we say, you know,
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It's shared an address with a restaurant, all these things.
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That doesn't sound like the groups
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That in your head are the ones getting million-dollar grants
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Directly from the federal government.
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It doesn't say that,
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We're not trying to say they don't do good things,
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They don't have it together,
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But it just sounds like i would think that the groups
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That are getting a million dollar grants are ones
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That have a building,
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That have a track record of dealing with these issues
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That they're getting that there is a stewardship involved
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When the federal government is making a direct grant,
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But we know that's not the case.
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And i think that's why this goes even beyond fraud.
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It shows how broken the system is
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When it comes to how congress spends your money.
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This is federal dollars and it's just,
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"we're gonna do this and we don't care about the optics."
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We know it's gonna be elevated
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'cause it's potentially another shutdown fight coming.
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Of course, they're gonna scrutinize everything they can,
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But they're gonna name a group
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And not just the representative
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But co-sponsored by both senators from the state is going
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To be in this budget.
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It's shocking how brazen they are just to fly in the face
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Of everything that's going on in america right now.
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- yeah, and right now we are following.
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There's a hearing on it right now.
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There's also right now happening, as we're live,
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The first white house briefing since the maduro arrest.
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We have our team monitoring it
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To see if there's anything worth going
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To anything that's breaking news items.
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Probably not, you know,
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They usually just kind of go over the basic facts.
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But it is interesting that we are there.
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I also see some confusion in the youtube chat
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About the funding saying, "hey,
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Why are we funding other countries' addiction recovery?"
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I need to clear that up.
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I know it's confusing because it's specifically aimed
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To the somali community,
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But we are talking about the state of minnesota,
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We're talking minneapolis, which yes,
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Has a very large community. - right.
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It is the greater east african community
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Of the twin cities metro area. - right.
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For clarity. - so it's a somali community
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Within minneapolis-st. paul.
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- yeah, i just wanna make sure we cleared that up
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Because we are talking about communities within the state,
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And that's why i said if it's addiction recovery,
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I have no problem with that being
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Where the funding is going.
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I understand where you may have problems
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With that being funded in general,
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But that's just a political mindset.
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That's just how you feel about federal
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And state funding in general.
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But let's take that aside and go, "okay.
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Humanitarian needs, feeding people,
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Taking care of people who are on the street.
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Great. no problem with it."
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Do i think there should be double checks on it? sure.
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Do i think when there is a moment
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Where there is this intense fraud being uncovered
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In one of our states, and look, we're gonna find out.
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I'm sure that minnesota is not alone in this.
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I feel like it's a college football scenario.
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You know, back in the day when they'd be like,
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"well, you know, these players came here,
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And who's paying what players, what does it's like?"
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Well, all of them are probably doing it.
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It's just who gets caught.
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I feel like we're probably gonna learn that some
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Of this was commonplace in american politics
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Where whether it was intentional
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Or whether it was someone who just kept their eye
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Off the ball and fraud was, you know, abused.
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Obviously, not fraud was abused, but the federal government,
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The state government funding was abused.
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- well, and once again,
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These are are deeper philosophical questions
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That come out of when you see how badly it was abused.
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The safeguards that are supposed
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To be there that were abused,
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Those were abused by fraudsters to defraud the taxpayer.
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And i think that's a bigger philosophical question
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Of things like addiction recovery that is being outsourced
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By the federal government, by the state government to ngos.
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You know, a lot of the times, and we've talked about this,
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Is that the work that traditionally we held
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As that of the church,
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The people of faith that would go
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And reach the least of these,
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Go to the people that need help,
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Whether it be feeding the needy, clothing the needy,
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And things that church groups do great work.
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When the mindset of especially
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In ideology politically replaces the state
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With the church,
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And when you think about even the separation
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Of church and state of the concept
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That thomas jefferson was writing about wasn't
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What the left tried to make it.
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It was that he didn't want the state to corrupt the church.
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And that's what we've seen,
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Is that the state has replaced the church
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In the minds of politicians for sure.
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But that work is like, this is the duty of the state.
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So we are going to take- - yeah, social programs.
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- yeah, "we are going to take your money
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And we are gonna dole it out."
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And what happens when you get to states like minnesota
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Or california where they have a lot more
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Of the social program is they take a lot more
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Of the citizens' money to spend on these things,
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What you start to see is that the guidelines,
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The restrictions, the safeguards of protecting that
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And being good stewards of that,
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Something that a lot of churches are very mindful of,
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The state doesn't necessarily have that.
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And a lot of times,
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The bureaucrats are just making sure
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That they are meeting quotas and they are doing things.
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Or you even see in minnesota where the bureaucrats were
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What we see trying to warn the state.
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This is outta control.
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We've gotta do this for over a decade,
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And they were doing nothing about it.
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And a lot of that is because what happens
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When the safeguards are ignored
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And the communities that benefit from it happen
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To be a special interest group that gets certain types
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Of politicians elected,
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Then oh, those politicians wanna make sure
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That money keeps flowing not necessarily
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'cause they think it's being stolen,
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But because they think it's making the populace
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Of their constituents that vote for them happy
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With the work they're doing.
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And so it becomes a vicious cycle
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And it gets outta control like you saw in minnesota.
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And those safeguards then when they get tried
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To put in place become a political fight
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Instead of a decency fight
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Of protecting the hardworking taxpayers of minnesota
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And protecting their investment in their state
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Through their taxpayer dollars, it becomes a,
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"how dare you, you're a racist republican
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If you think that we shouldn't be helping the needy,"
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When that's not what this is about.
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(stirring music)
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- welcome back to "sekulow".
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We're now joined by richard grenell,
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Senior advisor for national security and foreign policy here
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At the aclj.
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And we're excited to have you on, rick, today 'cause look,
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The la times had an interesting article.
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We've been talking a lot about tim walz,
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We're talking a lot about minnesota.
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And look, we've said,
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I'm sure minnesota was not the only state playing
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By these sort of shady rules that maybe were a part
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Of some of this fraud that's happening.
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Maybe we're gonna find out that's just like,
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Yeah, they got caught, but who else could be there?
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And of course, we see now the la times saying,
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"you know who may be next?
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Your favorite, gavin newsom."
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So i wanna get your thoughts on maybe just the whole scandal
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In general, but then obviously it leads
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To what will be a bigger issue for the country,
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Which is what happens in california.
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- look, one of the things that i've said here
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Before is that transparency is not political,
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And transparency should be the taxpayer's friend all
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Of the time.
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We need to demand sunlight, we need to demand transparency.
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And that's actually one of the great things about aclj,
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Is that we do demand transparency through the courts,
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Not through just talking about it,
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But through court action, legal action, and pressure.
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And what we see in states like blue states that the media,
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Which are also blue and left,
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They don't hold blue state governors to account.
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Now take that to a red state,
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And i wanna see transparency in red states as well,
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But the media plays important roles there
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Because the media is all lefty,
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And so they are hold aggressively
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The red state governors and leaders to account.
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That does not happen in blue states where the media is blue,
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The media is left, the leaders are left.
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And you take sacramento
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And you see that gavin newsom has been able
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To do whatever he wants with very little pushback.
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I just saw this big story that goes around
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From republicans and sports lovers in california
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Where gavin newsom was caught years ago,
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Pretending like he played on a baseball scholarship
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And was recruited by a major league baseball team.
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None of that is true. he retold that story for so long.
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The public was screaming about it.
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It took the media forever to kind of hold him
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To account on it, and they never really have done that.
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But that is just one example.
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When we look at the fraud that's happening in minnesota,
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Of course, there's massive fraud in california.
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We've been able to document some of it,
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The train to nowhere.
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We've got the homeless problem
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In california that gets worse,
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And yet billions of dollars have been spent.
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Gavin has asked taxpayers to do bond initiatives
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To spend money on homelessness.
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That money has been wasted
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Because homelessness is still a problem.
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We see fraud constantly
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And it's never going to be outed by the media.
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We need the federal government,
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We need the trump administration to come forward
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And hold these blue state governors to account.
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I think it's only just about transparency.
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Why wouldn't you want transparency that's not being done?
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- well, and i think, rick, one, we see that for some,
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There's probably this, you know,
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Sharks circling the water because it worked.
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The pointing out that not only was there massive fraud,
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But that the institutions
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Within the government made it easier for fraudsters,
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There was no desire for the government of the state
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To protect the citizens,
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The taxpayers of that state from their money being stolen,
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And then the ignoring of it and just trying to wish it away
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And say, "we dealt with it
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And i even asked for more power from the legislator,"
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Was the undoing of tim walz.
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I mean, months ago,
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He was the candidate for vice president of the country,
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And now he is not going to run
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For what he was calling a historic third term
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As the minnesota governor.
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That happened.
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Gavin newsom, much better communicator.
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No one has ever denied him that compared to tim walz.
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This is a fact, this is not a bias here, (laughs)
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But gavin newsom also has a state
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With a much larger budget, much larger programs,
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And probably much larger fraud.
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When you have a columnist from the la times,
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Not typically a place that you would think would try
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To hold him to account based
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Off what we've seen historically, saying,
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"walz isn't the only governor plagued by fraud.
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Newsom may be the target next,"
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And the subheadline saying,
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"republicans and democrats alike will probably come
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At newsom with critiques of the state's handling
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Of covid-19 funds, unemployment insurance,
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And community college financial aid,"
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Do you think that this is one
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That he can wiggle his way out of,
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Or do you think teflon gavin will try
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To skirt any sort of accountability on this as well?
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- well, first of all,
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Shame on the la times for knowing exactly
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Where the fraud is taking place.
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They listed it,
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But they've never covered it. - right! (laughs)
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- they knew exactly where the fraud was and,
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"oh, it might be in the community college system.
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It might be in this, that, or the other."
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They know exactly the problems,
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But they have refused to cover it.
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Make no mistake, the guy who owns the la times pretends
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To be bipartisan, and he's not.
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And we need to be very aggressive
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About outing all of this fraud and waste.
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Let me just say one thing.
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Remember, somebody like gavin would not say that it's fraud
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Because he's so comfortable in his ability
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To take taxpayer money
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And give it to his friends
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Who then feel like they don't need to perform
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Because they weren't selected because of their merits.
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They were selected because they're gavin's friend,
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And so therefore, they don't need to perform.
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So gavin just thinks,
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"i'm just giving money to combat problems,
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And my friends are the ones who are combating the problems."
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It's fraud because he's selecting people
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That are ill-equipped and not doing the job
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And they only got the contract, the millions of dollars,
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The tens of millions of dollars to combat some sort
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Of problem because they're friends of gavin
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Or the democratic party or friends of the unions.
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And so this is the scheme that becomes fraud.
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I will say that i think gavin will get away with it
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If we only rely on the media in california.
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The media have demonstrated through kamala harris
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And through other national leaders that they don't know
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How to vet the california crop of politicians
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That somehow decide to go onto the national stage thinking
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That they're gonna be, you know,
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National heroes or national candidates,
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And they only believe that because they've never been vetted
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Or tested by the current california media.
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That's why the trump administration,
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Doj, and the fbi
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And the us attorney's office in southern california,
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Doing their job of trying
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To bring forward all of these schemes
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And be transparent to the taxpayers.
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I think that this is going to be celebrated
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By the california taxpayer when they see the scheme.
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- well, and i think, rick,
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This is exactly what had the american people excited
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At the beginning of this term,
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Was seeing the work of doge getting into federal departments
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And pointing out things that it was waste, fraud, and abuse.
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So those three buckets of things were happening everywhere.
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And something may have not been fraud in the criminal term
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Of stealing directly
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Under a fake guise,
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Taking it and using it for something else,
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But it's wasteful and abusive of the system,
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And the mechanisms that are supposed
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To stop these type things,
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What we see is that minnesota was not very savvy,
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Their government, at letting it get away with this.
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And we see now reports of backdating things
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From the government to try and cover it up.
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Unfortunately, california, it seems has had a lot longer
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At getting more savvy
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At this kind of government malfeasance, if you will.
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- and i wouldn't use the word savvy,
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I would use the word lazy
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Because they became very comfortable knowing
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That no one was gonna push back.
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You have a state like minnesota
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And a state like california, both of them, very blue,
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Both of them covered by reporters who are very blue.
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And so everyone just kind
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Of let their team do whatever they wanted,
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And it was a comfortability.
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It was, you know,
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Gavin didn't have to be very savvy
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To somehow distract the la times
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And the san francisco chronicle from looking at his schemes
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Because they love gavin, they celebrate gavin,
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And they've never held him to account
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On anything he's ever done.
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He's wasted so much money,
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His covid leadership was a disaster.
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And so there's plenty there, la times knows about it,
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They're just not covering it.
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- last call the day, anne in pennsylvania. go ahead, anne.
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- [anne] i just wanted to say,
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You guys are the action, action action.
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You're the real definition.
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And also, i had a college radio show many years ago
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And i was perturbed about the fact
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That illegals were getting a free education.
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So this, i'm talking 10, 20 years ago.
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Okay, so now we're revealing and investigating
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And exposing all the real numbers
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Of this financial abuse taken in, you know,
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Being inflicted by illegals and not just illegals,
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But by people who aren't necessarily
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Not abusing the system.
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And we have an america-first president
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And i don't understand all the negativity on the right
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And i just wanna just throw this in here.
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You know, you guys are absolutely right.
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And we're not seeing what's going on behind closed doors
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'cause right now things are happening.
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There are things that are happening.
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Look it on a national security level,
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Look it on an economical level.
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Guys, you are the best.
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And i'm sorry i had to throw those things in there.
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- i agree with you wholeheartedly, actually,
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That there are a lot of things happening
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And i do believe it is people, like you said,
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You've been doing this for 10, 20, 30 years following it.
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There's a lot of people who are brand new to this world,
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And that's okay, all are welcome.
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But you have to understand that some things take longer
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Than you want and you kind of want that in america.
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You want due process,
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You want things to happen at a speed
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That you know isn't going to be overly corrupt.
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- [jordan] as always, let me thank everybody at tbn
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For providing this time to us at no cost so we
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Can update you on the most important issues of the day.
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From all of us at the aclj, thanks, tbn.
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January 21, 2026 | 26:13

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