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Sekulow | Sekulow - Republicans Beating Newsom At His Own Game | May 20, 2026

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- welcome to "sekulow."
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Look, it's just me today,
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Logan sekulow here in the studio.
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It's just gonna be me and you, everybody.
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So if you wanna call in,
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I'd love for you to be a part of the show.
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But of course, we're gonna start with
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Some of the breaking news items.
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One of them is this now,
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I mean, what it feels like all you know,
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Full speed ahead on redistricting throughout major states,
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But obviously primarily it seems like in the south,
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We're talking about florida,
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Texas, louisiana, tennessee,
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Alabama, and mississippi.
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We know georgia is saying maybe not right now.
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We know brian kemp in georgia
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Has a very different kind of role he plays there,
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With atlanta being such a major city.
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Now look.
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We have had this discussion,
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Of whether we feel
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Like this was a good thing or a bad thing
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When texas went, you know, started it,
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And then california really went wild,
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And then the supreme court ruled,
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And now all bets are off.
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Here's the truth though, we're in the real world of
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Where we're standing right now politically,
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And we're in a real world of where we stand legally now.
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So all bets are off.
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So whether we like it or not,
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Do you think this is what needs to happen?
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We have florida, where they'll be adding
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Four republican seats.
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Well, in texas, they'll be adding five republican seats.
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Louisiana, one to two seats, tennessee, one seat.
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And look, tennessee is already
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One of the reddest states in the country
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In terms of the map here.
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Alabama, they'll be adding one seat.
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Mississippi, up one seat.
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And remember the law pretty much ruled
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That if you have,
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It doesn't matter if it's partisan,
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It doesn't matter where the politics land.
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If it represents the people,
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That's how it should be,
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And they can make that decision,
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And the voters can't decide that.
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Tennessee lawmakers wednesday,
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They unveiled their proposal for a new congressional map.
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We saw florida.
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Ron desantis did as well.
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What do you think?
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Is this just the new reality that we live in?
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Or do you think there should be something more?
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Give me a call.
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Let me know.
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Is it saying, hey, do you take,
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And i think, look, conservatives have had issues with this,
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And i understand it.
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'cause the moral high ground,
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You may think, i'm not for gerrymandering,
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I'm not for redistricting,
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But the truth is,
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This is what the supreme court ruled,
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And therefore do you do what you gotta do,
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And you are still playing by the rules.
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And understand that politics is politics.
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I wanna know from you as our viewer, as our listener.
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Of course, we were talking that really what happened
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Was texas started this in some ways.
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California went wild, we know that.
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And now, had to go to the supreme court,
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And there had to be a response
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And they said, hey,
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Redistricting, like the judicial system,
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You know, it can be redistrict based off
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Of partisan politics.
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That's what even the tennessee house speaker
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Wrote in his post on social media.
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Of course, they're talking about getting rid of really
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One of the few democrats that even have a spot.
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So what does that look like moving forward?
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What do you think about this?
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I want to hear from you.
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I'm just reading through all the facts.
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It's pretty wild, of course it is.
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Once again, focused on the american south.
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So that should be fun.
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- welcome back to "sekulow."
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We do have quite a few calls coming in about this,
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And i wanna make sure we have time to take this.
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One of the facts that one of our producers brought up,
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He said, remember that this gives 10 gop seats
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In the midterm potentially
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Before votes are cast.
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What do you think about that?
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What do you think about that sort of move
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That would happen before midterm elections,
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Which are only a few months away?
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And of course, california has a large reason
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To be involved in this situation, of course.
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Maybe it was the cause.
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You could say texas maybe led the charge early on,
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But this is something the democrats have been doing
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For a very, very long time.
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We got a call coming in about that.
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Let's go to martin in north carolina.
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Martin is aclj champion.
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So aclj champions, as i said earlier,
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Are those that give on a monthly basis like a membership.
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And one of the little perks i like to give
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Is that you get to be bumped to the front of the line.
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He hasn't been on hold the longest,
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But he gets to go first.
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Martin, go ahead.
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- [martin] thank you, sir.
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My comment question,
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And i always try to validate the shorts
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That i see on facebook or wherever
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That we know gerrymandering
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Has been going on for decades.
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- of course. - it's nothing new,
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And the statement was made that
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The reason we're in the situation we're in now
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Has been made by the democrats
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Trying to isolate certain racial segments
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And things like that.
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If that is true, then would this be the downfall
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Of kinda like the democratic party,
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And winning things now that they can't
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Use racial profiles to win?
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- yeah, i mean i think what that shows
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Is that one of the things the supreme court ruled is,
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Yeah, it doesn't have to be,
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You know, we are not creating districts
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Based on someone's skin color.
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And there will be a debate
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On both sides of that, by the way.
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There'll be debate saying, well, that's not fair,
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Because this needs to represent the people.
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If the people in this area
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Are predominantly whatever race they are,
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That may mean they vote in a certain way.
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That shouldn't matter.
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And kind of flip that,
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And it shouldn't matter
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In the same way on the other side.
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But they're both gonna play that same argument,
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Which is, it's racist to go this way,
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It's racist to go that way.
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Probably depends on where you land politically
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And how you feel.
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Whether you are in sort of the old school way of thinking,
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In terms of you were maybe brought up
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In the seventies and eighties and said,
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You know what?
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None of this should matter,
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And the color of skin does not matter.
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We all are equal here.
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Or do you go in the sense of going,
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We need to be representative of a specific people,
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And if we think, especially the democrats think,
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These people will vote our way,
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That needs to be how it's split up.
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We've seen states where there is,
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It looks like there is a pipeline
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Or it looks like there is a river being cut through
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For their district
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That's clearly, intentionally made
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To keep out republican voters,
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Or keep out conservative representatives.
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If you've been to some of these states,
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You know that it's not as one-sided as it feels.
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Look, a state like tennessee, it's pretty red.
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Okay, i'll be honest.
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We live in tennessee.
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You have nashville and memphis, the actual epicenters,
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Maybe they are moderately blue.
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If you actually broke down the issues
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That people cared about.
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But in terms of the mass majority of the state,
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It's a pretty red state.
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Florida has changed rapidly
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In the last 10, 15 years.
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Have you seen such a mass, say, migration to florida
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To become this sort of epicenter of freedom,
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As they call themselves, the free state of florida?
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So does this just represent them?
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That's a bit of a question that you can have for sure.
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And people are saying, like one of the rumble comments said,
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We need to use the democrats' playbook.
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No more, we can do it better
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Because we are better than them.
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I think that is a, a tough pill to swallow
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For a lot of people, including even myself,
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To go, hey, do you now just play by the rules
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That are set?
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Now with the supreme court ruling,
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That does change it even for me a little bit
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Because before then, you could say,
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Okay, now we're just sinking as low
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As they are in terms of doing this.
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But when the supreme court ruled
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And said this can happen, look, i understand.
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I'm a realist in that sense of saying,
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Now, it's politics, now it's game on.
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And hopefully sure,
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We'll see better results.
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We'll see better results
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And you'll have good representatives
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Across the country.
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Now of course, it's focused a little bit more
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On the south right now.
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Let's go ahead and take another call.
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Let's go to, you know what, this kind of,
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It goes a little bit.
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Let's go to ronald in south carolina on rumble.
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Ronald, go ahead.
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- [ronald] yes, thanks for taking my call.
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The only concern
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That i may see about this is the fact
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That it's now become a game of politics,
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Just as you have mentioned before.
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And because of the fact it's become a game of politics,
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And where your chess pieces lie,
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Everybody is just being used as pawns
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To be shoved into one district or another.
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And then it comes down to the point to where
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Are they actually working for the people?
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Are they actually doing things for the people?
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Are they just trying to do things
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To get themselves reelected for the next term?
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- yeah, i mean, that's always a big question.
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It's one of the big concerns of politics in general
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Is honestly, the whole reelection cycle.
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Everything that people have to go through.
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You know, i've been kinda one of those weird advocates
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That says, yeah, i kind of wish the presidency
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Was a six year one term deal
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Where you didn't have to spend
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Half your term worrying about reelection.
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'cause we know after two years,
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Pretty much nothing gets done
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Until that president gets either reelected or booted out.
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And it's sort of a shame that
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The machine has to operate that way.
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Now, do i ever think
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That this concept will work or will happen?
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I think it would work.
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I think it would rechange,
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It would change the entire landscape of politics.
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But do i think that will ever happen?
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No, i don't,
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'cause there's too much money being made in those
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Reelection campaigns.
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There's too much money at stake
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To have such a broad term, and people don't like change.
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And i understand there's some of that,
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And you can see that even with some
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Of the redistricting here,
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That some people are concerned about it.
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But again, if you look back at the history of this,
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This is now just republicans playing a bit
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The game that they have been pushing against
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For a while and embracing it.
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Look, i think that you could say that for mail-in voting.
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That republicans took a very negative,
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Anti mail-in voting stance.
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Not to say that was the wrong stance,
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But what did it cause?
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We saw the results of what happened in 2020.
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Now, you have them at least embracing it a little bit more.
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You have embracing social media more.
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As we know you have someone like mamdami
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Who has been able to,
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I don't care how you feel about him politically.
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Of course, i disagree with him on almost everything.
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Not only a gifted speaker, but is a guy who understands
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And has a team that really understands
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How to utilize tiktok, how to utilize instagram,
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How to connect with people in different ways.
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It's no different than that in some ways, which is again,
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Playing the cards that are being dealt.
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And if the supreme court says
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This is what has to get done,
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Then maybe it's time for us to start
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Playing those games, too.
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Maybe it's time for republicans
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To start playing those games.
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Maybe it's time for democrats to start playing those games
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Christians to say this is what we think.
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There's a lot that can come out of something like this,
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And you may have a bigger divide in the nation
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Where you will have really, really definitively red states,
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And you'll have really, really definitively blue states.
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And that is a bit of a shame.
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But look at republican voters in tennessee.
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You still have 30% or so of the votes,
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40% of the votes on a presidential campaign,
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Sometimes more
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That will vote for the democrat.
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It's not like even the most separated states
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Where you feel like, yeah, that's dominated.
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If you saw a map of just republican representation,
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It would be almost all red.
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It doesn't mean those people don't exist.
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And how do we, you know,
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How do we work and live with those people?
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I think it's very easy to do that.
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I think it's something we should always be
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Crossing party lines,
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Discussing, having real conversations, debate.
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Politics should not get in the way of everything.
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But i'm also not blind to the fact
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That this is what happens when politics
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Starts getting played at a different level.
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Rules are made,
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And they're gonna jump on them.
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And you may like it, you may not like it,
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But it is what it is.
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Let's go to john, who's calling in california.
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John, i don't you to have to wait
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Too much longer.
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Go ahead john.
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You're on the air.
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- [john] wow.
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This is a first time call,
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And i want to thank you and everybody at the aclj
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For all you do, logan.
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Quick question, logan,
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I was gonna ask if you could just very briefly
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Kind of educate those who are listening this morning.
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What is the nexus between the voting rights act,
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All this redistricting, and what the supreme court just did?
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It's just a question.
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I didn't call with a comment.
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Just asking for a little education.
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- no, sure.
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And look, i'll be honest with you,
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And say that i'm not the most educated on every detail
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In this, but what i will tell you is it's, look.
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Let's just call it what it is.
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You had a lot of politics being played
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By states like texas, even, we'll say that.
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And by california.
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The supreme court had to rule,
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And a lot, this is, look,
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A lot of president trump's backed candidates are winning.
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We're seeing that happen.
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And look,
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The republicans want to secure the midterms.
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And now there's a new way to help that.
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Again, that's why the discussion has to come.
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Do you play by these rules or not?
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Do you like these rules or not?
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Or do you just have to understand,
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You're playing by a new playbook,
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And it is what it is.
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It essentially says that, you know,
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They're allowed to redistrict
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Based on partisan politics.
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They do not have to redistrict, by the way,
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Based on the color of someone's skin.
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In theory, that sounds like the right thing to do.
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How the map lays out,
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We're gonna see.
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And we're gonna see what the fallout is from it as well.
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I think we have to stay on top of this.
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I told you when this started happening in other states,
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That i wasn't sure how i felt about it.
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I still don't know how i feel about it.
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But i do know what the supreme court has said,
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And i do know that sometimes the politics,
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The game of politics is not gonna be played
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By people who want to play fair.
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They're going to play it,
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And they're gonna use it,
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To the best they can to win.
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It may be a sad reality,
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But it is a reality.
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So john, i hope that clarifies a little bit.
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I know that i get into the weeds too much,
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But i appreciate it.
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Now to flip over on the other side.
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Let's go to cliff,
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Who is an aclj champion.
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Cliff, go ahead.
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- [cliff] yeah, happy champion am i.
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And everything that's been going on is great,
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And for what aclj does worldwide.
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I support fully,
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And i would encourage everyone listening to do the same.
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I'm gonna go what you had said.
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I live in illinois.
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Like you had said, a river runs through it
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With the districting. - wild, wild in illinois.
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- [cliff] yeah.
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You think things will change?
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No, it won't, not yet.
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Maybe 20, 30, 32, or whatever.
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But anyway, let me get to my point real quick
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Is that money doesn't buy elections.
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You can ask all rich people
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That haven't gotten their candidate through.
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It's the message.
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The word.
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People going out.
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If a candidate would come on and say,
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I'm not gonna spend a dime on any commercials,
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Because whenever i watch a commercial,
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For i don't care who they are,
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I switch the channel.
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And that goes for all those flyers, too.
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So thank you for doing everything you guys do,
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And go america.
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Thank you.
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- i appreciate cliff.
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And when we get back,
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We're gonna shift a little bit, and look,
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If you've got a question or comment related
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To this topic, i'm not afraid of it.
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We're gonna be join by billy hallowell.
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He has got a new documentary series.
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It is called..
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Actually, i'm just gonna let you you wait and see,
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'cause it is intense.
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It's on the supernatural.
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He loves the supernatural.
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We're talking angels and demons
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When we get back with billy hallowell.
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(upbeat music)
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(upbeat music)
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(upbeat music)
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- you know, we deal with some pretty heavy topics here
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At the aclj.
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Heavy topics in the world,
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Of whether it's politics, news,
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And of course, global persecution,
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Everything that happens for christians.
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And i have had a great conversation even this morning
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With my friend, and been on the show many years ago,
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But has really made a pretty interesting move,
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And started even i would say
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With a book he released a few years ago,
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"playing with fire."
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And i feel like we've had
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Billy hallowell's joining us right now.
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I should just get to that already.
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Billy hallowell.
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Billy, you know, a lot of people
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May remember you did a lot of politics,
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You talked a lot about the news,
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What was going on in the world,
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Not that you don't comment on that still as well,
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But something clearly shifted in you to where
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What we're talking about now is much, much deeper.
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- yeah, you know, it's interesting,
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And i love that setup, because it's so true, right?
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I mean, i look at the news, i look at politics,
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But all of these things, you know,
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Especially from a christian perspective,
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When you look at the bible,
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You know, you have to start to ask yourself,
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What is going on?
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And you mentioned persecution.
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I know that's something you guys
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Cover quite a bit on the show here.
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We look at the chaos going on with, you know,
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Charlie kirk's murder.
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You've got attempted assassinations.
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There's so much happening in the world,
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You start to wonder
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What is going on beneath the surface, right?
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And so the bible talks a lot about this.
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And so in the past decade, you know,
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I have, while still looking at news and politics,
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Also have simultaneously been looking at
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The spiritual battle that is going on.
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The good versus evil.
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And that has really led me to some interesting places.
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You mentioned "playing with fire,"
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Which is a book i wrote in 2020.
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But right now, there is a new project,
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It's called "investigating the supernatural."
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It's a series that we're doing at cbn,
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At the christian broadcasting network.
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And we're really taking
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An investigative journalist approach
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To all of these issues.
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Our first film was on miracles.
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Our second one is "investigating the supernatural.
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Angels and demons."
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It just came out, as you said, it is heavy,
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But we look at claims,
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Modern day claims of angels and demons,
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And we really, you know,
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Basically ask the question,
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Can these things be proven?
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Are they real?
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What does the bible say,
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And what is going on in our world today?
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And i would just add, again,
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I think understanding a lot of
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What is happening politically, socially, culturally,
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Requires really looking at things
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Through a spiritual lens.
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- yeah, absolutely.
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And look, it's something that we deal
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With here a lot in this show.
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Has gone down that road a few times.
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And look, i understand,
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It can be uncomfortable for some of you watching right now
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To feel that way,
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But as we were even talking this morning, billy,
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There's so many issues that come up,
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And we can see it.
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You can honestly see it in people's eyes
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When you're discussing it with 'em,
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That there is something much heavier.
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And i've seen you discuss that even with
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Some of the controversy
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That has even come out of the right,
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Or in the podcast right.
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You know, recently.
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And we've seen that it has gotten
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To the point where there is clearly
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Something deeper happening here.
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And i think it's very interesting
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That your new special, this series from cbn,
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Is coming out right now in a time
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When really we need it the most.
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Because like i said,
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I think it's very much needed right now,
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But it's not something to step into lightly,
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'cause when you start opening up these doors,
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You start to really see what's going on.
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- a hundred percent.
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And you know, even while we were making this,
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You know, spending time really praying every day
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About this project because
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Everything you just described, again,
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If you don't have an ephesians 6 lens.
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What does ephesians 6 tell us?
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It's so interesting.
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I've read ephesians 6 a million times,
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And it really wasn't until the last year,
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That i have thought about this,
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And i thought, okay, the apostle paul is telling us
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We live in a spiritual battle, right?
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We assume it's us versus them.
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It's a flesh battle.
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That's how we live as humans.
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So you know, this group versus that group.
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And don't get me wrong,
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There is plenty of time,
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And appropriate times, even, to argue
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And to debate, and to do all these things.
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You know, politically, that's great.
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We have to do that.
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We have to talk about these things.
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But there is something deeper going on.
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And what paul says is that
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There is a battle between good and evil.
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A spiritual battle that pours over into our world.
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And it's one of the reasons why
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When you watch somebody like charlie kirk get assassinated,
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Even atheists will say that was evil.
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You know, there's this sense that something
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Truly evil is happening.
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That doesn't mean that every single event
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Is sparked by angels and demons,
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But it means that there is a spiritual battle
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Impacting our world.
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And i would argue that we cannot understand anything
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That is happening our own lives,
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Or in our political or cultural or social lives,
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Without understanding that lens and that dynamic.
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And so once you shift,
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And start to look at things through that lens,
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It helps you make a little bit more sense
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Of what is happening,
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And you can stay more focused on
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How you solve the problem,
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Which i know is a big thing here on this show
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That you're trying to inspire people to do.
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- of course.
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And look, i wanna make sure people know also.
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We're talking about,
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And i'd love to hear from you, billy,
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Is just how this sort of road began for you,
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And really, what was that spurring of
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To start diving in
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To investigating really the truth in what's happening
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In this sort of spiritual realm?
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Because when you're talking about angels and demons
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And spiritual warfare,
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Sure, there's a way to almost cartoonify that,
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Or make that, you know.
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It's, yeah, we all have good and bad in us,
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But that is not what this is talking about.
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We're talking about the reality of, biblically,
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What is happening, and how it affects our world.
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And that is, like you said,
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Going through these real accounts
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From people of their dealings with the supernatural.
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- yeah, absolutely.
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And i will tell you,
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I'm actually pretty, i'm a christian.
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I've been a christian my whole life.
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I'm pretty skeptical.
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So, and i'm a journalist.
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So when i'm going into these stories,
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And the film only tells three to four
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Very in depth stories,
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I'm thinking, can i really believe this?
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Is this true?
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So i'm thinking the same thing
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A lot of other people are, right?
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You go into those stories,
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And we present not just the stories,
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With the interview subjects,
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We travel the country.
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We have medical documentation, we have experts,
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We talk to psychologists, psychiatrists.
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This is not something, you know, that is a,
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Trying to spook people,
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And b, something that's just flippantly put together.
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We spent a lot of time making sure that we had cases
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That were pretty ironclad,
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That there were no other explanations
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For what was happening.
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But to answer your question about the journey,
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I did not want to cover these things.
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I had been a christian my whole life.
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When i was offered a book contract before 2020.
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This is before "playing with fire."
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To talk about, from a christian perspective,
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As a journalist,
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What do christians believe about evil?
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I fled.
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I was afraid.
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I wanted nothing to do with it.
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And i actually said no.
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I did not pray about it.
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I was like, i'm not doing this, i'm not interested.
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And god literally brought another publisher
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A couple of years later back to say,
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No, we want you to do this book.
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I did not fill out a proposal.
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I mean, anybody who's written a book.
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They know you gotta fill out a proposal,
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You gotta go through
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This horrible process. - this whole thing.
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- yeah, a whole thing.
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I did none of that.
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I mean, god dropped this opportunity on my lap,
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And he,
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And i prayed about it.
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And i had to make a decision,
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Because i thought if i'm gonna go into covering evil
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And looking at what the bible says about it,
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I need to make sure i'm protected,
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My family's protected.
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So i did what i should have been doing the whole time.
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I did what ephesians 6 tells us.
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I started reading my bible every day.
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I started praying every day.
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Doing the things i hadn't been doing up until that point.
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And it really shifted everything.
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And i started coming to this place of peace,
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With this subject matter.
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And i'll tell you, that was the beginning.
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And then i thought, well,
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Maybe that was it.
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Maybe god wanted me to do that,
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And i'm gonna move on from that.
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But when i got to christian broadcasting network,
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And came back to the organization,
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It immediately became clear
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That "investigating the supernatural"
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Was going to be a series we were gonna work on.
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We thought it would be a tv series.
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When we started filming, we realized
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These stories needed to be told in a movie format.
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And so god has just been so amazing.
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And i'll tell you this.
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My entire perspective on faith
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Has shifted and been transformed
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By looking at miracles, angels, and demons.
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Our next film next year will be
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"investigating the supernatural
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Heaven and hell."
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It'll be looking at near death experiences.
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It has re-shifted everything
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For me in such a profound way.
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Truly, and i'm thankful for that.
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But also now i want other people to experience that,
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And to be looking at things through those lenses.
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- i do want to give a heads up,
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'cause i have seen the trailer myself.
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It is very heavy.
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It is pretty dark,
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But it gives you a very interesting insight
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Of what's happening.
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So let's take a look at this new special.
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- [narrator] when he sat up, at the foot of the bed,
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Was this eight foot luminous angel.
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- [narrator] that's when i began to realize
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There's a connection between demons
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And what we see in the ufo phenomena.
00:23:27.572 --> 00:23:30.275
- [narrator] and on the last beat of my heart,
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My spirit left my body.
00:23:31.810 --> 00:23:33.211
(suspenseful music)
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- [narrator] is there a spiritual war going on around us?
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Are angels and demons real?
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Let's investigate.
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- [narrator] in all ancient cultures,
00:23:42.821 --> 00:23:44.322
People believe in a spiritual war.
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- and i was struck that all throughout history,
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The vast majority of cultures not only believed
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In evil spirits,
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But believed in possessions.
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- [narrator] and every major religion
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Believes in angels.
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- for most of the world,
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The question isn't, is there a spiritual world?
00:24:00.538 --> 00:24:03.408
The question is which spirit is the most powerful?
00:24:03.408 --> 00:24:06.177
- [narrator] but to say you believe in angels, demons,
00:24:06.177 --> 00:24:09.347
Is oftentimes to expose you to ridicule.
00:24:09.347 --> 00:24:11.449
Like, you sound like somebody from the middle ages.
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- many scientists just write it all off saying,
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This is just people's imaginations.
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They're hallucinating.
00:24:18.857 --> 00:24:19.791
They're having dreams.
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None of this is real.
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- [narrator] i kept hearing...
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- [spirit] stop, don't go there.
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- [narrator] and within a matter of minutes,
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A bomb went off.
00:24:28.867 --> 00:24:30.201
- [narrator] all of a sudden, we hear this
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Guttural sounding voice
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Come out of her in the back.
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- your mumbo jumbo prayers will fail
00:24:36.141 --> 00:24:39.010
Just like they always do.
00:24:39.010 --> 00:24:40.779
- [narrator] and the one from the driver's side reached over
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And put his hands right in the middle of the flat spot.
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And the one from the passenger side did the same thing.
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My heart started supernaturally.
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No cpr, no medicine.
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- [narrator] what i uncovered changes everything.
00:24:50.722 --> 00:24:54.225
(suspenseful music)
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- that is a special look
00:25:00.398 --> 00:25:02.200
At "investigating the supernatural.
00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.302
Angels and demons."
00:25:04.302 --> 00:25:05.370
You can order it now.
00:25:05.370 --> 00:25:06.638
Again, this is just us supporting billy.
00:25:06.638 --> 00:25:09.074
It's not a donation to us.
00:25:09.074 --> 00:25:10.442
This is cbn, obviously, long time friends
00:25:10.442 --> 00:25:12.877
And partners here at the aclj.
00:25:12.877 --> 00:25:14.779
But again, this is something it's own.
00:25:14.779 --> 00:25:16.381
So you can take that look.
00:25:16.381 --> 00:25:17.515
If you need a dvd, you can as well.
00:25:17.515 --> 00:25:19.017
Billy's doing some really interesting things,
00:25:19.017 --> 00:25:20.552
And again, dealing with some really dark subject matter.
00:25:20.552 --> 00:25:22.687
But i appreciate that he is willing to do it.
00:25:22.687 --> 00:25:22.687

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