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March 4, 2026 | 25:49

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Sekulow | Sekulow - Supreme Court Orders CNN To Respond | March 4, 2026

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- welcome to "sekulow packed show".
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Today, jordan's in studio, will's in studio.
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My dad's gonna be calling us.
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It's gonna be really jam packed.
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Maybe we'll have jordan actually break,
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Tell us what's happening here.
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This is of course in our connection with cnn
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And our supreme court case.
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- that's right.
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So we have got a case at the us supreme court right now
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We've asked the supreme court to take.
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This case is about new york times versus sullivan,
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Which is defamation of public figures.
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And you know, the definition
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Of public figures has certainly changed with social media.
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Basically everybody can be a reporter.
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Everybody's putting videos up.
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So the definition of it versus the time
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When that case came out, very different.
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But the idea is that if you are considered a public figure,
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The news doesn't just have to make a misstatement or lie
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Or get the facts wrong about you
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To file a lawsuit for defamation.
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You have to actually prove as the person
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Who was injured, that you have to prove that you were,
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It was actual malice by the media organization,
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Which is a very high standard.
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So it's like they knew it was wrong and they were doing it
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Because they wanted to hurt you.
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So they, they, that that standard of course gets into the,
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You have to get into the minds of people
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And the burden is on the person who they lied about.
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The burden is not on the cnn to show
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That it wasn't actual malice.
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Somehow you, the public figure have to show
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That there was actual malice, which means getting
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Inside a newsroom, getting inside the heads and intent.
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And so as the world has changed
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And as the media has changed so rapidly with podcasts
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And all these issues, i mean,
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Almost everybody could fall under the line
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Of so many new people.
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Not everybody, but so many people could fall
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Under this public figure. - public figure, yeah.
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- and then if someone says horrendous things
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About you, you have no legal recourse
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If you can't prove actual malice.
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So this case challenges that standard.
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And this is what happened.
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When we filed, cnn waived
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Their right to reply to our application.
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So for the court, the cert petition
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For the court to take the case.
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That was because they were hoping the court
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Would just take ours and then,
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And then say, okay, we're not, you know, they take it
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To conference just with ours
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And that means likely not hear the case.
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- [logan] right, throw it out.
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- the supreme court yesterday gave cnn a deadline to reply.
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So even though they waived their reply,
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They are now being asked by the supreme court to reply
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To our brief, which means it's not 100%
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The supreme court will take the case,
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But this is exactly what cnn did not want to happen.
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So their strategy was we're not even going
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To, we're not even going to respond.
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We'll let the court just handle this.
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And the court has now handled it by saying,
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We want your response within a month.
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- yeah, this is a good moment.
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- well, exactly.
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And when you looked at the, the decisions
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By the lower courts that got it up to this level, many
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Of them ruled in favor with cnn
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Because of the new york times v. sullivan reasoning,
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Even with judges at the appeals court level saying,
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Under all standards, this is defamation.
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However, because of new york times v. sullivan,
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We cannot find that there was defamation here.
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So even that, the lower courts push it up
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To that supreme court question
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Of, is the new york times v. sullivan standard
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Even still relevant in its form as it is?
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And that's exactly why we're going
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To the supreme court with it.
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- that's right.
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Next segment, my dad, jay sekulow, is gonna be joining us.
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I think he's gonna break down a little bit more of this,
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'cause you can not imagine how many times
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I've been reached out to by one
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Of those, quote, unquote, public figures
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Who feel like their name is being drug through the mud
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For things that they never did over and over again.
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And sadly we've had to tell them,
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There's really not much we can do,
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'cause this is how the standard has been.
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This is the standard in america.
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Well, we wanna be a part of changing that.
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- back to "sekulow".
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Our dad, jay sekulow, is joining us right now.
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Of course, this has been a big update.
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If you're just joining us on the broadcast,
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Thank you for watching.
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Of course, supreme court now is ordering cnn to respond
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And respond to essentially our suit, saying, you know,
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At this point, we're considered a public figure
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When you have been told lies continually over
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And over again, proven lies, that there needs
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To be some better standard of accountability.
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And dad, this is a big moment because cnn has been told,
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You can't just ignore this, you have to respond.
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- [jay] yeah, so it's interesting.
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Cnn's strategy was when we filed the cert petition,
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You don't have to respond
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To a petition filed at the supreme court.
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It's not required.
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So they took the strategy
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Of, we filed our cert petition,
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Our, that is a formal request,
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Probably 80 pages of briefing,
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Asking the supreme court to hear the case.
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Then the other side can file a response
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Or they can waive a response.
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Here they waived their response thinking
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That that was gonna maybe be the end of the case.
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Well, we just got word late yesterday,
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And this is a huge development
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On a very strategic and important case.
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We got word yesterday
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That the supreme court of the united states has ordered cnn
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To file a response in writing
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By the end of middle of march, end of march.
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So they've got a file in about four to six weeks.
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The importance of this is then we will have the opportunity
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To respond again to cnn
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For the lies that they told about prof. dershowitz.
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And to, let me tell our aclj members and our aclj champions
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And those listening to broadcast,
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Remember what this case is about.
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Alan dershowitz is a democrat,
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Was one of our defense attorneys
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At the impeachment trial, the first one of donald trump.
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He was one of my co-counsel.
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We brought him into the case.
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He handled specific constitutional issues, very specific,
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Saying that there was no grounds to impeach
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The sitting president
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Of the united states during that proceeding.
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He got a lot of flack from the left
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On that, as you can imagine.
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But what happened was cnn went on air as soon as he was done
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With his first presentation,
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Misstated his main thesis of the case.
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In fact, they said, he said the opposite.
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So under the new york times versus sullivan,
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When you're dealing with a public figure,
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They basically had,
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As you said, logan, blanket immunity.
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They could say whatever they want.
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You had a, the standard that we would have to reach
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To prove defamation was, is very, very high.
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But what's interesting here is one of the judges
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At the 11th circuit court of appeals said
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That the only thing standing in the way
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From prof. dershowitz and justice
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Is this old 1964 supreme court case,
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Which actually talked about public officials,
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Like government officials.
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It didn't even really talk about public figures.
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You wanna know an interesting side note here,
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Logan and will, and that is alan dershowitz was a law clerk
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For justice goldberg in writing a concurring opinion
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On that very case, and it was taken way further
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Than what that initial supreme court decision meant.
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So this is a chance to right a wrong
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And to reflect the media as it now is.
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- and once again, this
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Is obviously a completely different media landscape
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Than it was
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When that original supreme court opinion was issued.
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And as even it shows that the person bringing this,
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Prof. dershowitz, was one of the people
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That helped craft the concurring opinion in that issue.
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But i think also we can't normally forecast
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Or tell what the supreme court's gonna do.
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It's very mysterious to the outside the way
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That they hold their conferences, which cases they decide
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To take and which they decide not to.
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But it does seem that this is at least a good sign
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That there are justices interested
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In reviewing new york times v. sullivan,
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That when we filed our cert petition
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And cnn decided we're not even gonna bother replying,
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That now the supreme court wants to hear
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What cnn has to say to defend itself.
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- [jay] yeah, it's interesting
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Because generally when the strategy
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Of not responding, which is what they initially did,
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Was also to kind of get a temperature read
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Of is the court interested in this or not.
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For instance, we were set for a conference to vote
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On certiorari on thursday, tomorrow.
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They were to vote tomorrow on the case
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Whether they were gonna hear it or not.
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But what happened here was cnn was hoping
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That there would be no order,
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It would go to conference and be denied,
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But instead a number of justices of the supreme court said,
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No, we want to hear what cnn has to say
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And then we'll decide if we take it.
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So it's gonna delay it until probably april, maybe even may.
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We'll file another round of briefs in this.
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But this is a really significant case
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For accountability in the media and long overdue.
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- when you go back to 1964 when this case came out, dad,
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And you look now to 2026,
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Who is a public figure has changed so much.
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I mean, it's not just a handful of people
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Who make it on three tv channels
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Or are well known in local news or newspapers,
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And it's, it's, there's so many citizen journalists
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And podcasts and people in the media
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And the netflix, all these different ways.
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It's not the same kind of control.
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So that it makes it nearly impossible
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For anyone who's got any kind
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Of name out there and following
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To bring a defamation case
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Where someone has absolutely either lied about you
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Or just recklessly disregarded,
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That means you don't care if it's a lie
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Or not, to show that actual malice standard.
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But you, the plaintiff, it's also a bizarre move in court,
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Have to prove the intent of the defendant in this case.
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I mean, you have to show what was going on in their head
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Or in their newsroom
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As they were putting the piece together.
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They don't have to defend it.
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You have to actually present it,
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Which also makes it almost an impossible bar to overcome.
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So, and this is, i think in the changing media landscape,
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The perfect time for the supreme court to look at this
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To say, you know,
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This might not be the right standard anymore
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For 2026 and onward.
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- [jay] well, i think, jordan, that's exactly right.
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You had a dual burden here,
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Which you don't have in any other kind of case.
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So that you had this dual burden where you had
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To meet the threshold of knowledge, of falsity
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And then the burden was on us to establish
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The issues rather than the defendant having
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To establish their defense.
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But look, the fact that the supreme court said we wanna hear
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From you on this is a big, it's a very positive development
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For justice here.
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Alan dershowitz was wronged.
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We want to make it right.
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That's why we're stepping in and hold the media accountable.
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We get so many calls where people say,
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We wanna hold the media accountable.
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This is bad case.
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- and dad, we have two now cases pending
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At the us supreme court,
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One out of calvary chapel in california
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And those unbelievable fines that california, millions
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Of dollars of fines.
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They want to still levy
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The state of california against the church,
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The calvary chapel church there.
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And of course this case,
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And we both before the us supreme court,
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The aclj handling those.
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I just wanna remind people,
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I mean these are happening nearly simultaneously, dad.
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- [jay] no, they are.
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And so we've got two major cases.
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One on religious liberty, one on the first amendment,
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And, i mean, these are big cases.
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- just to underscore, people.
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So we've got two up for consideration
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At the supreme court right now,
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Both involving speech one involving, again,
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Religious liberty and, but both kind
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Of first amendment cases
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'cause of course the free exercise of religion, free speech.
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'cause look, as jordan said, so many of us have gone
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From what you considered a, you know, personality,
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Radio personalities to television personalities,
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To now anyone really can kind of fit in that world
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Of being a public figure as we are all on social media.
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So this protects you as well.
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Of course this is doing it from the mainstream point
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Of view, but there are many different ways
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That this could upend current settled law that has been
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A pain for all of us for many, many years, including,
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Like i said, there are so many people
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Who had rightful claims to this, who have reached out
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To us over the years and we've had to have
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That very kinda sad
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And serious conversation with him saying, sadly,
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There is nothing we can do.
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You're a public figure.
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The actual standard to get any kind
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Of liable defamation was so high
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That essentially we knew
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You could just go out there and lie.
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But you have a different court and it's a different day.
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- well, it's, when you look at a lot of the stories
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That are going on in the world right now,
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Even with don lemon, with the protections that he's trying
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To claim, the heightened protections
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Because of being a journalist, it is something
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That for a long time the media has gotten
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An extra level of protection
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Than what the first amendment just affords to everyone else.
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So i think it's important
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That something like new york times v. sullivan be reexamined
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By the court, and that's exactly what we're doing here.
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(gentle music)
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- you may have seen news bubbling up about stephen colbert
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And his ongoing battle with his own network with cbs.
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Look, we have been on the air terrestrial radio
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For 30 years now here at sekulow in some form or fashion.
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We have been on the air terrestrial radio for 30 years
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And we have always understood
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That there are very specific rules the fcc lays out
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When you have a political candidate on.
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Now, i'm not necessarily saying
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That i agree with those rules.
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I'm not necessarily saying
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That they should be held up in 2026.
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But you know what?
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They've been the rules.
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They have been the law of the land
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For a very long time at this point,
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And we know what we have to do.
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Typically it involves, by the way,
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Because people know what our show content is,
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All it typically is is say we have on a political candidate,
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A lot of times they're more conservative leaning.
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We also shoot off an email to their rep on the other side
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And say, or the other candidate
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And say, we'd be happy to have you on as well.
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Nine times out of 10,
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Actually i'd put 99% of the 99.9% of the time,
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Either never hear back or you're gonna decline,
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Because it's usually someone
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Who knows what they're getting into.
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- the rule is you basically just have
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To make the invitation. - you to offer.
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You have to offer. - and usually,
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Like logan said, they, they are not ever going to say yes
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To that because they, because you're not promising
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It's gonna be a friendly interview
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Or you're not gonna ask tough questions,
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That you know, they, they know
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That you're coming from a different perspective there.
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But you have to give 'em that opportunity.
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And that's only around really when you're talking
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To people running for office,
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When you're talking about them running for office
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And their election, not talking to a senator
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About a piece of legislation
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And things like that. - no, no, no, no.
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- so it's a limited time that we're talking about
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Is when we're talking about when they're actually running
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For office, you've got to at least offer
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That time to the other candidates.
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That's all the colbert show had to do is offer
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That time to other candidates.
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They don't have to treat them the same in the sense
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That they could ask tough questions.
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They could say, you said this.
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Are you sure you'd be the best nominee
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And two of the republican?
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Yeah, i mean colbert could be nasty too
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And likely, you know, both of them would say no.
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Maybe in this case one of them would've said yes--
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- [logan] because we're still in primary season.
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- yes.
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- and i think that's where things get
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A little actually more interesting with this story
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Is you have a candidate running in texas,
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You have two candidates running,
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And stephen colbert went out
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And said, cbs told me i couldn't air this.
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This is the interview they told you, they didn't wanna see.
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This is not unlike what don lemon was doing.
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These are publicity stunts.
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Do not fall for the publicity stunts.
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Stephen colbert has been very well aware
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Of the rules that you have to go by.
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Cbs gave him what we'd have to do to have this guest on,
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Which was essentially invite jasmine crockett on as well,
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Which seemed to be too far for stephen colbert.
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- that's right.
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And i wanna read the statement that cbs put out,
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But i think this also ties in
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To the new york times v. sullivan thing
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That we were talking about earlier,
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The case that we have at the supreme court,
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'cause this is dealing with very old broadcast rules,
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The fcc equal time rule,
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Which we have criticized things like this
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With the fcc historically.
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- [logan] yeah, i'm not saying i like the rule.
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- it's not saying that it's not an outdated rule,
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But it's also shows that he was gaming it for his own gain,
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And this is what "the late show",
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The statement from cbs said about "the late show".
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"they were not prohibited
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By cbs from broadcasting the interview
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With representative james talarico.
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The show was provided legal guidance
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That the broadcast could trigger the fcc equal time rule
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For two other candidates,
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Including representative jasmine crockett
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And presented options for how the equal time
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For other candidates could be fulfilled,"
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Which is what legal departments do every single day
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At broadcast news organizations.
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- not even just,
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Every major mainstream television network,
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Entertainment brand, i have been in the guts of them.
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The messages that you would get from standards
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And practices from lawyers, they approve every script
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That goes out for the most part on all of these shows.
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And they don't approve it for creative content.
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They're not getting involved in saying,
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I think that joke isn't funny.
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What they're saying is that goes over the line.
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- we can get-- - on what is legal for the fcc
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Or when you're marketing the families
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Or whatever it may be, there are rules.
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- so then it says "the late show" decided
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To present the interview through its youtube channel
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With on-air promotion on the broadcast
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Rather than potentially providing equal time options.
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Also, you know, this was a game
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Because at this point it has 5.8 million views,
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This interview, which is titled
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James talarico on confronting christian nationalism
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In strange days in the texas legislature.
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He did this whole game to play the victim card
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So that they could get more views on it,
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Because you know what they weren't probably gonna get?
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5.8 million views of that interview on "colbert's show".
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So they are using this to look like a victim again.
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Right?
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Maybe there's other ulterior motives as well,
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But then they're lying, because james talarico,
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This candidate, has tweeted two things
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That are factually untrue.
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Breaking, our campaign raised $2.5 million in 24 hours
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After the fcc banned our colbert interview.
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And two, this is the interview donald trump
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Didn't want you to see.
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His fcc refused to air my interview with stephen colbert.
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Trump is worried we're about to flip texas.
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The fcc didn't ban the interview.
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The fcc, if it had triggered equal time things
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Could have fined cbs,
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But it wouldn't have the power to take it off air.
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Cbs's legal department presented options of how to air it
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And they decided it wasn't worth
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Giving jasmine crockett the airtime.
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So maybe it's actually james talarico is concerned
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He's not gonna be able to survive this primary
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Without a little help
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From someone like colbert violating sec rules.
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- yeah, and colbert at this point, you know,
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Is months away from his show ending.
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He is trying to build his own clout and credibility,
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I'm sure fielding offers from a lot
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Of different organizations
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Of where he's gonna land after this.
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If not, he doesn't just build something on his own.
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That is simply in the cards.
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Look at it from a bigger marketing perspective.
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Everything is marketing
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And they are all trying to get you to watch this interview.
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Why?
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One, to generate views to give stephen colbert
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A little bit more credit than he has right now.
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And not credit in terms of credit, credit in terms
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Of, you know, when he goes out to go sell himself again,
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Which is what's gonna happen.
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'cause remember, in ratings, by the way,
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If you look at pure ratings,
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Stephen colbert was often number one,
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Was typically number one.
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However, on youtube, jimmy fallon destroys stephen colbert.
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Destroys him.
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So new media had turned really away
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From stephen colbert and had turned,
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So he needs that content to start spiking.
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There's all kinds of motives that could go into this.
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What i don't like is that he's playing a victim card.
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It's something that we all are very well aware of,
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Which is the equal time rules.
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I don't think i even agree
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With the equal time rules in 2026,
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But i don't pretend they don't exist
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Or that i've never heard about them before,
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Or that this is the first time the fcc
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Has gotten involved.
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Give me a break.
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- and here's how you know they knew this game
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Would be played out and they would win it.
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And it's not just the 5.8 million views
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That they've gotten since they published it.
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It's these comments that are beneath it.
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I'm watching this because my government tried
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To hide this from me.
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Dear fcc, thank you for bringing this to my attention.
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I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.
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- [logan] right.
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- the fcc doesn't want you to see this.
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Let that sink in and share it.
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The fact that those are the comments means
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Their distortion of the truth
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Of saying the fcc doesn't want you to see it.
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No, the fcc just has a rule that may be outdated
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And you can litigate that in the public eye,
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But you can't sit here and say,
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Donald trump doesn't want you to see me.
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He's afraid we're gonna flip texas.
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That's also saying that donald trump
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Just wants jasmine crockett to have more airtime.
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It's the most absurd argument--
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- [logan] right.
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- when we know what the reality is.
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- it's not having jasmine crockett on
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And not making that invite.
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Shouldn't that be looked at from a very different point
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Of view by the way, that you specifically don't want
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To fulfill the obligation to have
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The other democrat candidate running who happens
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To be jasmine crockett?
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I think that that should be a lot very telling
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For mainstream media of what they want to present to you.
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Okay?
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Let's, you know, look really closely
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At what we're talking about here.
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- well, in reality, that's exactly what the reason
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Of the equal time rule was, is so that people
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Who had a giant platform couldn't pick
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And choose who you got to see,
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Be the gatekeeper of the candidates.
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And jordan, this is almost proving something
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That we aren't a big fan of, the equal time rule.
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- [jordan] right.
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- proving the need for it for people like stephen colbert.
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- yeah, i mean, now my question
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Is, i haven't looked it up on youtube.
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Did more people watch on youtube than watch this show?
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- [logan] i say 100%.
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- 5.8 million have watched that interview.
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- yeah, i'd say the average is about 2.5 million.
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- so three more, 3 million more people
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Watched it-- - at least.
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- by not being on the air?
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- [logan] exactly, it's all marketing.
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- so, and that did, and the cbs had no problem with that?
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- well, yeah, 'cause the equal time rule only applies to--
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- [jordan] to broadcast.
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- to terrestrial over the air broadcast.
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It only applies-- - do you think
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He could face more discipline,
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Any kinda disciplinary action from cbs at this point?
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- well, he's going very hard against the network.
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- [jordan] yeah.
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- in his monologue, he took their statement, which said,
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We gave him options and he said,
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Here's what i think about this,
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And threw it in the trash can.
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As logan said, maybe he's also trying
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To exit his contract early.
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- yeah, maybe he's trying to get out early
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Or just build some clout to, you know, for--
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- spin it
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Into something else. - for ms,
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What do they call it now?
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To get--
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- [jordan] now
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- for someone to give him a sweet offer,
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Which i'm sure he is gonna get by the way.
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You know, he is a talented guy.
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He's, he's a good broadcaster,
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But these are the moments where i think, think
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That, i wish the american people would see through the noise
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And realize that you're just being marketed to and lied to,
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And it has nothing to do with the politics of it.
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It has nothing to do with donald trump.
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It has nothing to do with this person running.
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It has to do with drumming up youtube views
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So he has more clout to go sell his show,
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Win his wraps up in three months.
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I see things a little bit differently
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And also pretending that these laws haven't existed forever
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And that you've had to deal with them before.
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Okay, i guarantee you, you have.
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Let's take the last call the day.
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Let's go to bill in wyoming about the colbert situation.
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Bill, go ahead.
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- [bill] with these late night tv shows,
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They can actually make their own political statements,
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But if they disguise it under comedy,
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Then they can get away with it.
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Number two, if it's controversial,
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What they can do is they can put it online
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So it's controversial and then people will click on it.
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So that's what's called click baiting
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And they can make money out of it.
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- yeah. - we just kind said
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That the youtube, when they posted the interview to youtube,
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More people saw it on youtube than would've seen
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The interview if it was only on "the colbert show".
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- [logan] yeah.
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- by about at least 3 million more people--
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- [logan] and by the way--
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- saw it on youtube.
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- that is true for television in general right now.
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- [jordan] right.
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- so not just related to this moment, stephen colbert.
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A lot of what they said,
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Jimmy fallon kills it because jimmy fallon
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Has actually always been in the business of seven
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To eight minute content from "saturday night live".
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And then of course that they were the king of clips.
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Same thing.
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Many more people watch "saturday night live" now
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On youtube the day after than watch it live in the moment.
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It's just the world we live in.
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- because they can make-- - more people watch this show.
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98% of you watching right now are not watching me live.
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You don't miss shows anymore.
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In that topic, but you're interested in a topic
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That's coming up, and you go back and forth
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To it throughout the day.
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- [jordan] as always, let me thank everybody at tbn
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For providing this time to us at no cost so we
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Can update you on the most important issues of the day.
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