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Sekulow | Sekulow - Tragic Political Assassination | September 23, 2025

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- welcome to sekulow.
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This is logan sekulow, jordan sekulow's in studio as well,
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And will haynes.
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We're gonna be joined a little bit later by richard grenell.
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All eyes are on the horrible assassination of charlie kirk,
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Founder of turning point usa.
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Someone who we share a network with
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On the salem news channel.
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You know, i'm not gonna over blow our relationship with him
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And talk like we were good friends
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By any means or anything like that.
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But i will say that we're obviously all reeling from this.
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You know, it's very close to home.
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For everyone who's probably watching and listening,
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We know a lot of you are hurting.
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We know a lot of your kids are hurting,
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Your grandchildren, people who he highly influenced
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And was a big part of their lives.
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And again, our prayers, like i said, have been
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With the family and with everyone at turning point.
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It's a sad day for america,
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As we also are obviously honoring september 11th.
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I saw a friend of mine who's posted said that,
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You know, the september 12th, 2001 us
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Would not be very happy with the september 11th, 2025 us.
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And i think that that's a pretty stark reminder
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Of where we were then and how far we've gone.
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- yeah, and let me just tell you something.
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I mean, the effect that charlie kirk
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And turning point had
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On the political process in america,
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It's really hasn't even been fully studied,
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But i really give them a lot of credit
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For donald trump's second reelection,
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And his campaign when he ran again for a third time,
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Because they were able to get to college campuses
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And convince enough college age voters,
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Which is typically is someone who's a former
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Youth director for president bush,
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The 18 to 29-year-old vote is very difficult
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Sometimes to get out to vote.
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And when they do vote,
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That's usually overwhelmingly democrats.
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So anytime you make those margins closer,
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You're winning as a republican.
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And turning point was changing things dramatically.
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I mean, i'd say next to the rnc,
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Or maybe even equal to,
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They were the most effective grassroots,
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Conservative organization politically
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In the united states of america.
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And again, i just don't wanna take away
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From any of what those accomplishments were that were made
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By charlie kirk as we mourn his loss
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And really mourned the loss
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And pray for his family,
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A young family, a young wife,
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Two young children,
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And again,
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Just the,
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The prayers that need to go out.
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And also the discussions about his life in a positive way,
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Not just focusing on the rhetoric and the negatives,
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But the idea that this was about free speech
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In the united states of america.
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And we should be able to have free speech
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In the united states of america,
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Even if it's tough free speech,
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Without fear of being politically assassinated.
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- really the first true political assassination
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Of our lifetime, if we really think about it.
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There's not been one like this in america that has happened.
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So if you wanna know why people are reeling
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In a very different way,
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We have not seen something like this.
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Obviously it got very close with president trump,
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But here we are, you know, in mourning.
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- welcome back to sekulow.
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Again, obviously all the news currently is focused
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On the unfortunate and this just horrific assassination
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Of our colleagues, of charlie kirk.
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Again, i don't want to, you know,
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Pretend or say, you know, more words than we have in terms
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Of our relationship with charlie.
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I've been in the same room with the guy many times,
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Been on many email threads
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With our friends here at the salem news channel.
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And it's really heartbreaking, though,
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When you see the imagery of his family.
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Like i said, the really truly
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The first politically motivated,
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What feels, like a successful
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Assassination attempt in our lifetime.
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You know, you think about those moments in history,
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Obviously jfk, rfk, martin luther king jr,
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These are things we talk about, you know,
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In sort of a historical fashion now.
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But now for it to show up on our front door
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As we are on the anniversary of september 11th,
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It all kind of just feels like it's coming down.
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And i think we have to, in the moment say,
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I've seen so many good posts
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From people who i vehemently disagree with on most issues,
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Actually stand up and say, this is ridiculous.
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We can't do this anymore.
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And i'm proud of some of those.
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I've also seen the opposite.
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And i'll say to those people,
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I feel very upset for you
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That the darkness looks back in the mirror at you,
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That you can't see past a political difference.
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And it's upsetting because i think a lot of the people
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Who probably inspired those people, don't agree with that.
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But you have people who can get motivated
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And these horrible things happen.
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And it's where we are a as a country.
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We didn't agree with a hundred percent
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What charlie's would've said.
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I don't think i agree with anyone who's on this network
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Or anyone that's on this panel right now.
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That is not how it works in america or modern society.
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We all have our own minds.
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We all have our own decisions to make.
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And here we are though, at a big, some people said,
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Is this america's turning point where you do see
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A bit of unification going.
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We have gone, we've gone too far.
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This, plus september 11th,
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Plus the attack in north carolina.
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All of these things are building to something that is
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Hopefully going to.
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- [jordan] two assassination attempts on president trump.
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- to hopefully build to a point where we do have
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To course correct in a major way.
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- well, and logan, as you mentioned,
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Some of the takes even from people on the left,
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Especially in the spotlight that have been.
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- [logan] the celebrity left. - positive.
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I mean, ezra klein, who's a reporter
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And opinion writer for new york times, very well known,
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Very non friendly to conservative philosophy,
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Has an opinion piece.
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Charlie kirk was practicing politics the right way
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And goes into
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The manner of which he,
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Put conservatism out into the world,
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Was not by isolating himself from people
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Who had ideas differently from him.
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The tragic irony of what happened
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To charlie kirk is that he was doing what the founders
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And what our country, what made our country great,
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Which is going out and speaking to people on the other side.
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Yes, they would be contentious issues.
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They would be things that they vehemently disagreed,
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But he would speak with people that disagreed with him,
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Give them a platform,
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Allow them to speak openly in front
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Of people online, and share their voice.
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And he did it with respect.
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And he treated others as human beings
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And letting everyone voice their opinions.
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And yes, he wanted to change your mind.
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He wanted you to believe,
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Because he was passionate in his convictions,
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In his faith, and in his politics.
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He wanted you to join that side.
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But he didn't disparage you
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Or call you names or do anything
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But exercise the great first amendment rights
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That we have in this country.
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- i remember we were at an event with him,
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Fox news event, with pete hegseth.
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This is pre,
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This was before,
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President trump i think had just announced
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He was running for reelection.
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It was pete hegseth, it was charlie kirk,
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And a panel of fox news kind of people then.
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There were things i agreed with charlie on.
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There were things i definitely disagreed with him on,
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But you know, when we were leaving,
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And we are a good 10 years or so older than him,
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And i think that's what we gotta think about now,
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Is he was 31 years old.
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I'm about be 40.
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Jordan is in his early forties,
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Will same place.
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Is i actually remember talking
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To my friend and go, you know, i really look forward
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To seeing what charlie kirk is doing in 10 years,
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In 15 years, in 20 years,
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When his children have grown,
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When he has seen the differences.
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'cause that may be where some of our differences
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May have misaligned going,
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When he's been through these things
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That a lot of us had started to go through as young parents
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And to see how he could then influence
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That next generation based on his own life experiences.
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It is so unfortunate that we don't get to see that.
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And it's hard to put into words.
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It was hard for us to have a day yesterday,
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But it is not on us.
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This is not about us.
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This is not about anything other than right now.
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- we do know that this was a political assassination.
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We can confirm that from the fbi,
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Because of what was on the bullet ammunition.
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- [logan] political narcissist.
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- the ammunition that was engraved
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With both transgender and anti-fascist ideology.
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And that was inside the rifle.
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So this was not just a crazy person taking out
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A well-known person.
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- we will be taking your calls on this segment,
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As many as we can.
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So i wanna kick that off.
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Right now with cambria,
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Who's calling, who is an aclj champion.
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Again, i always like to give champions
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The first opportunity to speak on the air.
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Not only you're champion, you're calling from utah,
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Where obviously this tragic assassination happened.
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So cambria, go ahead.
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- [cambria] well, i'd like to start out
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To say that it's really hit our population here.
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And for me personally,
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Because he's really making an impact here.
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He was starting to make ground in our state.
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But,
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I'm sorry, i lost my train of thought.
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I'll go as fast as i can.
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- it's okay, it's okay, cambria.
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Look, we all feel that way today.
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I think if there's any time
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To be totally acceptable to not be,
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To have a loss for words
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Or to lose your place, it's fine.
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But, you know, i think what you were saying
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To phone screeners.
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This just doesn't feel like,
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Even the people of utah, that you know.
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- [cambria] yes.
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And it took me by surprise simply because
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I was lulled into thinking
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That this wouldn't happen in a conservative town,
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Conservative county, in a conservative state.
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And then i realized, you know,
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That really evil has no boundaries.
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And it was a stark reminder of that.
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But i would ask, you know, real quickly for prayer,
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Because we had a local church that was johnny on the spot,
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And they're already there ministering.
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So i would just ask you to pray
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For their strength and wisdom.
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- [logan] absolutely.
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- this would be a truly, a turning point.
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And not just here, but nationally.
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- i have to say this cambria,
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I follow a lot of christian speakers, televangelist,
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If you will, or speakers or pastors or musicians.
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It's just the world we live in.
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And i did see a few including,
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And you know, i don't know him,
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But i'm a supporter
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Of bobby schuller's church out in california who did it,
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It was opening up today for just their members to go
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And pray for charlie's family.
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And i don't know what the connection is there.
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He's a southern california preacher.
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But the fact that they understood
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That this is impacting their base, if you will,
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Or their people that go to this church,
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Their congregation, i thought was pretty powerful.
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And i think you're gonna
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See that in a lot of different places.
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So cambria, of course, we're praying for the people in utah
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And of course we're still praying
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For the families involved.
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Let's continue on and get some more phone calls.
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'cause a lot of you are on hold for a while.
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Let's go to bob, line four, watching on aclj.org.
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Bob, you're on the air.
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- [bob] and good afternoon.
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In the bible,
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There are occasional allusions to the idea
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Of time stopping or the world stopping
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And things just standing still,
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Which i recall from the 1960s
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When these political assassinations were
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Stunning to us and to people around the world.
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It seems like the world just stopped in that moment.
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But i wanna say that there are people
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Who have accused charlie of hate speech
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And that is just a lie,
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Because charlie was open to all points of view.
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He wanted everybody to be able to participate,
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To see it for themselves about how reasonable
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And open he was.
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How he wanted to dialogue.
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And he was totally, totally nonviolent.
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- yeah, bob, we're gonna have one
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Of his friends on the next segment with grenell.
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- yeah, he was willing to go to gavin newsom's podcast
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And sit right down, i mean.
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- i think that he was taking on topics,
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And obviously taking a point of view
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That a lot of people disagreed with.
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That doesn't mean that he did it out of a place of hatred.
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Doesn't mean he didn't have a place.
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- [will] in politics.
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- but, i mean, he was, you know,
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He would say things that were going to get people riled up.
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And i think that, we're not gonna admit that.
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We have to at least admit that.
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However, this is not where you think, i mean,
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When the last caller said,
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You don't think this is gonna happen in utah.
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Look, we had school shooting here in nashville.
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You didn't expect that to happen here either, okay?
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This is all over the world, all over the country right now.
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This is not localized to your major cities
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Or to chicago, new york and memphis.
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You know, this is not the world we live in now.
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Let's go to clyce who's calling in tennessee.
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On line three, you're on the air.
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- [clyce] do you hear me? - [logan] we gotcha.
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- [clyce] okay i just, i called in.
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I've heard charlie kirk for years,
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And i'm struggling with something
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And my wife sends me reels every now and then,
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And she's only came in touch with him
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Over the past two to four weeks.
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So, you know, it's affected both of us with the news
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Or else she would not have known about it.
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And i'm just talking about how great of a person he was.
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And i posted on facebook, he's a true martyr.
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- yeah, clyce, i think a lot of people feel that way.
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A lot of people feel, even if you disagreed with him,
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That this can't be happening.
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I say, there's been,
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If anything that could come out of this,
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And it's very difficult to see good that could come out
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Of a father at such a young age losing his life to,
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For political speech, that is ever worth it.
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But maybe it is that we can have a moment of unity,
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As we are here on september 11th.
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I mean, we barely even mention that.
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I mean, this is something that we talk about every year,
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The never forget,
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Because, but news has overtaken this.
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I mean, fox is still running at the bottom of the screen,
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The names of the thousands of people
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That were lost on that day.
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But of course, their number one thing is right now helping
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The fbi find this person of interest,
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Because this is another one of those moments,
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As you said, or our last caller said,
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Where the world seems to stand still.
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It's how you respond and how the world gets back going.
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- well, and i think to that point as well,
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I saw speaker mike johnson on cnn last night.
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He was being interviewed by kaitlan collins
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Talking about this.
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And he admitted, he said there have been
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People emotional right now.
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There have been people both within his conference
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In the house of representatives, the republicans,
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And those on the left as well.
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And what you've seen online from some that have decided
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To take this moment to just be nasty.
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But he was saying that while you saw that immediately,
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He is also having conversations with colleagues in the house
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And other individuals, that he said,
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I truly am hopeful for this moment.
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I do feel like some
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Of these conversations i've had post the chaos
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That you saw on the house floor.
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In the aftermath of that,
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That sounded like hopeful conversations about being able
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To dialogue with people you disagree with
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And not turn it into a dehumanizing thing.
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- i hope he's right.
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Let me say this.
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If it takes an assassination of a 31-year-old
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With a 2-year-old and a 1-year-old at home.
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- [logan] right.
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- and a 31-year-old wife, is that worth it?
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I mean, that's what it took to get members of congress,
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Adults, elected officials by their constituents,
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To be able to talk to one another,
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Is a 31-year-old political activist being shot
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In the neck and killed on television
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And media all over.
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That's not america.
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It should not take that kind of violence.
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- [jordan] we know better, - [logan] right.
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- to then come together.
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We should have been able to come together a lot quicker.
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It shouldn't have taken what happened in butler.
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It shouldn't have taken what we've seen with ice,
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All these different,
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All these different issues is that we, as americans,
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Should be able to have these conversations.
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They can be controversial.
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They can be heated.
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They should never be deadly.
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I mean, that's the difference.
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Controversial, heated, tough debate.
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That's part of the american experience.
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What we don't want to become part
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Of the american experience is that if you dislike
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Or disagree with the person's view,
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That you feel like taking their life in an act of murder
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And assassination is legitimate.
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- [logan] yeah.
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- because of views that they espouse
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That you disagree with.
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(soft music)
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(soft music)
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- as we continue our coverage,
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Obviously, of the horrific tragedy,
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The horrific assassination
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Of a fellow broadcaster on this network.
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If you're watching on the salem news channel
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Or someone who we have worked with over the years, again,
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And we'll be joined by rick grenell,
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Who was really his close friend.
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And i don't wanna pretend that we had that kind
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Of relationship with him,
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But i will say
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That it has hit very close to home for a lot of us.
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I know for a lot of you as the assassination,
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Really the first political assassination in our lifetime
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That was successful on charlie kirk,
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A 31-year-old dad
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Who founded turning point usa and,
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Again, you may have agreed with him or disagreed with him.
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It didn't matter.
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You could not, you know,
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Ignore the influence that he had
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And his organization has on american modern
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Politics and faith.
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You know, they definitely went hand in hand
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In their organization.
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We are joined by rick grenell,
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Who obviously has been a long time member
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Of this team here at the aclj.
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And currently they have the kennedy center
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Among many other things that i saw last night, rick,
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The tribute that you all gave
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And the moment of silence that you gave
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To charlie and his family.
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It has been a hard show for a lot of us to get through.
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It's been a hard day for those of us
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Who just simply somewhat shared a network with him.
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Didn't know him well.
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I couldn't say really at all,
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But i know that's exactly the opposite for you.
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So i wanted to give you the opportunity, rick,
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To start off however you would like
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With this moment that we're all going through.
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- well, thanks logan.
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Yeah, it's been a tough 24 hours for me.
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Charlie was a very close friend of mine,
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Was an incredible champion of mine.
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And i was on the turning point board
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For many years and i only did it 'cause charlie asked me.
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And,
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I think, you know, just,
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I know this sounds so selfish,
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But i'm stuck in this mode of this last 24 hours
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Of just thinking about me personally
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And my relationship with my friend.
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It's really,
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It's really devastating.
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And i have had moments where i just think, you know what?
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This is just not worth it.
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I gotta just retreat.
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Go live a different life and retreat from all of this.
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Why fight?
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So many other people have these great lives
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Where they don't have to take all this crap?
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And it's a very real emotion for me and for others.
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I spoke to charlie multiple times a week.
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We were on a text chain of just a few people that,
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You know, really cared about issues.
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And you know, for me, logan, i gotta tell you
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That charlie kirk was the epitome.
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He was the tip of the spear of telling people
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To come to the front if you disagree with me.
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I will make sure that everyone around is quieted.
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You are gonna get your time to talk to me
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And tell me what you think and i'm gonna calmly respond
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And we're gonna have a healthy debate that's calm.
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And charlie was the first one to tell his own side,
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Stop yelling, don't shout this person down.
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And eventually on college campuses,
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People knew if you came to a charlie kirk rally,
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You knew you were gonna hear from people that disagreed
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And they were having a safe space, if you will.
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And to take him out, to take the guy out.
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It's hard for me to comprehend
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Because i just think this means
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The other side doesn't want dialogue.
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And then, i have to be honest with you,
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I just left the capitol
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And i had a one-on-one meeting
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With senator mark warner from virginia, a democrat.
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And i was able to share my heart with him
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And just say, i'm struggling.
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Charlie was my friend.
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And and i feel like, you know, the left is not allowing us
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To even have a dialogue.
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They want to cancel us.
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They want violence, you know, produce violence.
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And we had a good conversation.
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And i'm hopeful that that's a step in the right direction.
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And i know i've gotta find a way to fight,
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But in all honesty, i'm just taking a couple of days
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To grieve
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My friend.
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- [logan] yeah, absolutely, rick, jordan.
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- i think that's
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Where a lot of people are is looking back
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And saying, you know, is it worth it
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That a 31-year-old is now,
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Has been assassinated
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And his two young children and wife,
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His two young children will really not get
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To know him and he won't get to have those experiences
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Of, you know, walking his his daughter down the aisle.
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I mean, and again, we're never guaranteed time
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In this world by god.
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And we all know that.
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But i think there are plenty of people,
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They may not want to admit it as honestly as you did,
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And as honestly as we might that say,
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Definitely everyone does a gut check and says.
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- [logan] we all had that conversation
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With our families last night.
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- we were all doing it last night saying,
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You know, with what we're doing,
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You have to then put into context
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What is it worth
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And is it worth that your life may be cut short
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Because of the values
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And the issues that you're fighting for.
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And i don't know that we can answer
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That today philosophically,
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Because as you said, rick, right now it's mourning.
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It's talking about charlie kirk.
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It's praying for his young family
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And all those who are affected so directly at turning point,
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His friends and family.
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But i think it also opens that discussion as well.
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Just as he was engaging massive amounts of young people
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To enter a process which they felt like they couldn't have
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Much of an influence on.
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And then they saw in the last election cycle, they could.
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- [rick] yeah.
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You know, i'm also struck with, jordan, as you're speaking,
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Is that
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I know it's worth it,
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But i think for me and for others,
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We think,
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Have we given enough already and should we just bow out?
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I think that is the reality of a lot of people
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Who are on the front lines.
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We know it's worth it and we know everybody has to give
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And people need to step up.
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And if you're hearing us, you know,
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You need to do your part.
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But at some point people just think, you know, okay,
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I've given enough,
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I've been in the fight,
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I've taken a lot of hits.
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Is it just now a time to back down?
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And i don't believe the answer's yes,
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But you know, again, i'm just sharing
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With you, my friends, my very real emotion of,
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You know, me finding out the moment that charlie was dead,
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Completely breaking down
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And having this moment
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While i'm in the front lines of politics.
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I'm just being honest.
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- i'll be honest, that's a hundred percent the conversations
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That i had in my wife that i'm sure all
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Of us sitting on this panel had.
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And again, he wasn't someone that we were close with
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And i wouldn't pretend that,
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So i knew for you it'd be different.
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I checked in with will, our producer this morning,
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Right here, and i said,
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"hey, is rick okay to to come on still?"
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'cause you know, obviously we'd love to hear from someone
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Who really knew him,
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And someone by the way, who, you know,
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A lot of words get thrown around about the guy.
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And again, i didn't know him,
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But he had a great relationship with you,
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A great relationship with a lot of people who may,
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People on the internet may have thought there's no chance
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That he had a relationship with,
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And clearly was a person who was dedicated to his beliefs
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And his faith, maybe even more so than we knew.
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But rick,
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I can feel the emotion
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And it's hard to not be overcome with it as well
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And not to decide, you know, have those discussions.
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I think that's okay.
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I put that last night that it was okay
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To feel like not only are we in a broken world,
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But it's okay to feel broken as well right now.
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- [rick] yeah, well thank you for that.
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I thought when i woke up this morning,
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I thought that i would feel a little bit differently,
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But, you know, i'm definitely fighting the emotions of anger
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And trying to, you know,
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Put it in the right direction, all of that.
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I do have to say that meeting with senator warner,
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Democrat from virginia today,
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I was very not looking forward to the meeting,
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Especially because of my heavy heart,
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And where my emotions might go.
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And it was a great meeting
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And i left it thinking, you know,
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This is a good moment.
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This is at least a step.
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- well rick, thank you for joining us.
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I'm gonna encourage our listeners,
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There's a lot of people watching right now
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Who maybe you've never seen us before,
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And maybe you've never watched us before,
00:25:46.646 --> 00:25:47.881
But i know a lot of you wanted updates
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And you wanted to hear from people like rick,
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Say a prayer for him.
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Not only say a prayer for obviously the kirks,
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And for everyone at turning point,
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Say a prayer for his close personal friends
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And people like us who are having to think about
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What this means for our families
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And what is worth it.
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And we know, like i said, rick's like, you know that it is,
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But there is,
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There are these moments where you go,
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Hey, we're all young parents here.
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What does this look like in the future?
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- [jordan] as always, let me thank everybody at tbn
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For providing this time to us at no cost so we
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Can update you on the most important issues of the day.
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From all of us at the aclj, thanks, tbn.
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Sekulow - Tragic Political Assassination

September 23, 2025 | 29:43

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