Special Report: Remembering Charlie Kirk

September 10, 2025 | 246:22

Through powerful moments, heartfelt stories, prayer, and inspiring words, we celebrate the faith that defined Charlie’s life and the influence he had on countless lives across our nation. Join Sheila Walsh and Erick Stakelbeck as we remember Charlie Kirk—his voice, his mission, and his unwavering commitment to truth and the Gospel.

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Special Report: Charlie Kirk | Special Report: Remembering Charlie Kirk | September 10, 2025

Heartbreaking news this afternoon, our beloved charlie
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Kirk had a show here on tbn, his home with jesus. he was
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Shot today while he was at a college campus where he was
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Doing what charlie does. you know, he goes in and he talks
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To kids and he'll set up his prove me wrong table because he
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Wants to talk about who jesus is. he wants to talk about the
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Infallibility of the word of god. and in that tragic
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Occurrence today, charlie has gone home to be with the lord.
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So i'm just asking you, please, let's pray for erica. they've
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Only been married for four years. they have a three year
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Old daughter and a one year old son. now, tonight. today we do
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Not grieve for charlie. charlie is home. he ran his race. he
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Hurled. heard. well done. good and faithful servant. but it's
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For those who are left behind. for all those students who
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Witnessed what they saw today. for the shock. i was listening
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To some of them talk and just absolutely trying to get as
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Close to charlie as they could, because he's a hero. his
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Turning point usa has made such an impact in our nation, and
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He's on his make america great again tour, where he would go
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In and simply be open to listen and to talk, to be a defender
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Of the faith, an apologist. charlie had no idea this
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Morning that when he woke up and got himself together and
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Had his devotions, that this afternoon, he would be meeting
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Jesus face to face. it seems as if this world is getting
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Crazier and crazier. but let me remind you, that is why jesus
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Came. this world is broken. but remember jesus when he said, it
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Is finished on the cross. he paid the price. so charlie is
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Home free. he ran his race. he finished the course. but now we
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Need to gather around their family. now we need to uphold
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Erica. we need to uphold those two darling little ones. three
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Year old daughter and a one year old son. charlie was a
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Controversial character in all the best possible ways, but it
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Meant so many people out there who were angry had it in for
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Him. he answered one question this afternoon a religious
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Question. and then, as he was about to answer, address a
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Second question, there was a single shot. those who were
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Closest to him said they heard a pop, and charlie fell over
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And was immediately taken to hospital. and we just heard
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Here at tbn, they shared with the turning point usa staff the
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News first. obviously, that charlie charlie kirk is home
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With jesus. so now as a family, you know, charlie's show is on
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Here tonight. i'm not sure what we're going to do. but i'm
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Asking. let's just pray right now. father god, i want to
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Thank you that when you saw the brokenness of this world, you
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Sent jesus, and you didn't say there would be no trouble. you
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Said there will be trouble, but i will be with you. and, lord,
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We know we celebrate the fact that charlie kirk is home with
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You. but, father, as a family here at tbn, we lift up erica
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And the two children. lord god, what a shock. they've only been
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Married for four years, and yet he bravely spoke out. and i
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Remember hearing him talk about the fact that no matter what
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Goes on in this world, our future is secure in jesus. holy
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Spirit, you are a comforter. as a family here at tbn, we are
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Asking that you will be with erica, with the children, with
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Charlie's family, with erica's family, with the turning point
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Usa community. father god, watch over them. bring your
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Comfort. speak your words of hope into situations that seem
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So desperate. but for jesus, because of what you do, because
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Of what you have done, because of what you finished. we know
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Where charlie is and we pray right now for all the
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University staff, for those who are trying to work out what on
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Earth to do. be with them, lord. but mostly as a family. here at
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Tbn, we put our arms around erica and those two children,
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And we ask you, lord god, to be with them in jesus name. in
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Jesus name. throughout the day, we will continue to bring any
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Updates or anything else that would be relevant that would
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Let you know. we will continue to do that throughout the day.
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And then when we come to charlie's spot tonight, well,
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We'll just see. we'll just see what we'll do. can i read you
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Something? those who live in the shelter of the most high
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Will find rest in the shadow of the almighty. this i declare
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About the lord. he alone is my refuge, my place of safety. he
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Is my god, and i trust in him. for he will rescue you from
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Every trap and protect you from deadly disease. he will cover
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You with his feathers. he will shelter you with his wings.
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Charlie is home with jesus now. we're going to stand there and
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Be with our family. and i believe we're going to get an
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Update now from from. eric. eric, what are you hearing?
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Sheila, look, i'm here in washington, d.c. and we got
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This news. i'm shell shocked like everyone is. we got this
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News at the white house. actually, we were with the
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Director of the white house faith office, and we're still
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Just shell shocked. what i'm hearing is, look, charlie, like
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Everyone is hearing now. charlie has been confirmed dead.
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A great american patriot. number one, a friend here on
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Tbn every weeknight, a warrior for christ. i think that's the
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Best way i can describe him. sheila. an absolute warrior for
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Christ, a warrior for this country. bold, unashamed of the
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Gospel and talking to the folks in the white house today when
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We got this horrible news, someone said that charlie has
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Grown so much in his faith in particular over the past few
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Years. this was someone who was growing in his faith in jesus,
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Who was on fire for the lord and only growing, and god was
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Expanding his territory all the lives he's reached. sheila
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Around the world, really around the country, but really
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Worldwide, young people in particular, generation z in
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Particular. i can tell you, sheila, i have two daughters,
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18 years old and 14 years old. and the impact charlie, his
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Videos, his tiktok videos have had on their lives and in
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Shaping them as people who are young, people who are focused
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On christ, on patriotism, on god and country, faith, family
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And freedom. that's what charlie was all about. i it's
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Hard to really come up with the words right now. i'm absolutely
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Shell shocked. this was a giant sheila, only 31 years old, but
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He was a giant. this was a lion. charlie was as bold as a lion.
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For his faith, for jesus, for america. it's too much for me
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To even grasp and comprehend. he was just confirmed dead a
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Few minutes ago. it's tough to even put it into words, but
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This is a gaping hole. we have lost a great american, a great
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Man, a father, a husband. sheila, as you said, father of
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Two young children, a beautiful wife, erica. too much to even
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Process. but we're in a spiritual battle. charlie was
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On the front lines of that spiritual battle, standing for
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Truth, standing for the lord. and the enemy wanted wants to
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Snuff out anyone who does that. this should be a wake up call
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For every american, no doubt. absolutely. you're absolutely
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Right. and i think charlie showed us how to live. and
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Today charlie showed us how to die. speaking truth and caring.
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And you're right, eric, with your children being so impacted
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By him, it's one of the greatest ways that god was
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Using charlie all across america and campuses and around
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The world that he was so loved and respected. i was listening
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This morning to some kids that were saying, we're going to go
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Because we hear charlie kirk's going to be there. and so we
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Want to be there. and and what a life, what a beautiful life.
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But now our prayers are with the family, that god will bring
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Comfort and protection to them. no doubt. sheila, i was with
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Charlie three days before the election back in november. i
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Can honestly say i think president trump would even say
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This. i don't know that he would have won the election
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Without the efforts of charlie kirk. i think it's safe to say
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That charlie, his tireless efforts at turning point usa on
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His show, which you see here on tbn every weekday, charlie
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Helped turn the election, turn the tide for this country in
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President trump's favor. there was a reason that large amounts
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Of generation z. that's who charlie reached the most swung
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To president trump in the 2024 election, and that's charlie
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Kirk. we can't understate his influence on making america
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Great again, of course, but an unabashedly christian message,
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Charlie, in everything he said and did it was christ centered.
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He was unashamed of the gospel. he was an inspiration. i'm
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Older than charlie. he's only 31 years old, but i was
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Inspired by him. sheila. he was brilliant. he's a fierce
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Intellect. i mean 31 years old with wisdom beyond his years,
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Was a student of history. he was a force. he was a force to
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Be reckoned with in every way. and that's why the enemy of our
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Souls wanted to target charlie. it's such a wake up call. the
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Legacy he left it is, i think, one of the things you said,
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Eric, is so right. this is a spiritual wake up call for
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Every single believer who calls on the name of the lord to be
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Aware of the days that we are living in. things are happening
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All over the world and things will continue to happen. so
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It's a day to decide. we know whose we are, we know what we
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Believe, and we stand firm and we sell it right today, i mean,
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At tbn, we just celebrate his legacy as someone who, as you
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Say, was growing in his faith. and you're right, it was gen z.
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It was so many of these young people that weren't even voting
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Before, when suddenly charlie started speaking about who we
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Are as a nation, that those young people said, we're
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Showing up and we're voting and we're going to make a
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Difference. yeah. and sheila, number one, you can't stop the
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Gospel. no, charlie's work goes on. no one can stop the gospel.
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But number two, you make a great point, sheila. you you
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Use the word legacy. that's exactly what he left. young
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People now across america, they could could kill charlie, but
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They can't kill the message. and he has just taught so many
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Young people in the united states. raise them up, inform
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Them, educated them again about faith, family, freedom, all
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That's good and true. and now, sorry to the evil ones who want
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To. who snuffed him out and want to silence the message.
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The train has left the station and charlie has raised up again
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A generation of young people who are rejecting the madness
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Of the radical left. i'm not. i don't want to get political at
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A time like this. but let's be honest, rejecting that. and
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Here's what president trump said. we have a statement from
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Truth social. sheila, i'm reading it right here off my
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Phone. this is president trump, and i quote the great and even
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Legendary charlie kirk is dead. no one understood or had the
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Heart of the youth in the united states of america better
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Than charlie. he was loved and admired by all, especially me.
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This is president trump and now he wrote, he is no longer with
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Us, melania and my sympathies go out to his beautiful wife,
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Erica and his family. charlie, we love you as the president of
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The united states. and he knew what charlie meant to him and
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To this nation and the future of this nation. i don't think
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It's a stretch to say that charlie kirk was someone we
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Could have seen in the oval office someday. you know, i've
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Heard people talking about that. yeah, he was just a brilliant
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Mind and brilliant mind and a compassionate heart. i mean,
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What an incredible combination. and i think pastor allen
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Jackson is going to join us, eric and and pastor jackson, i
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Just it's so hard to find words at a time like this. i mean,
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It's we're in shock, but i know that you you have faithfully
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Pastored for years. when something like this happens,
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What do you say to us as a pastor? well, sheila, i think
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You're right. and we're all in shock. you know, whatever your
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Perspective was on charlie kirk, when there's a tragedy like
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This and you hear the news with any compassion, i think it
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Leaves you in a state of shock. and i think there's layers to
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It. there'll be there's time as we walk through this to
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Celebrate charlie's life, because it's a life that's
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Worth celebrating. his family certainly deserve our prayers.
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Whatever we can do to provide comfort for them. it's
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Overwhelming for erica and the children. i mean, you've
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Already addressed that today, but i think, you know, for
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Everybody that's listening, grief is a part of this. death
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Is a part of life. i have done, as you said, funerals with
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Hundreds of families and death is very seldom welcome. and so
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It leaves us with a whole multitude of emotions and
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Different emotions. come, you know, all the all the elements
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Of emotion that come with grief. they come to visit, but you
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Don't want them to stay. so if you're overwhelmed with sadness,
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It's appropriate to weep for charlie. you may be angry, and
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It's appropriate to be angry when a life is terminated. it's
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Seemingly far short of what it should have been. there's a
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There's a host of emotions, but you want to welcome them as as
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Permanent residents. you welcome them. you walk through
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Those emotions and then you move forward. because the
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Reality is that we have to move beyond death and we haven't
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Done that. there's a shock. we're going to grieve for
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Charlie. we're going to grieve with his family, but we're
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Going to go forward and we will overcome this. you know, the
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Awkward reality is charlie has become a martyr for the truths
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That he espoused. and they were they weren't primarily
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Political. they were given expression in a political realm
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Because that's the way authorities expressed in our
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Nation. but charlie was fundamentally an advocate for a
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Biblical worldview, and that was not diminished. today.
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God's intent in the earth has not been diminished. no. you
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Know, a fellow traveler, a fellow, a voice amongst us has
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Been silenced. but the one who called that voice into
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Existence hasn't been silenced. and for the people listening
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That are either frightened or terrified or overwhelmed with
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Grief, it's appropriate in the moment, but then turn loose of
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Those things and pick back up the god who deserves our
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Attention. we can grieve with those who grieve, but then we
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Will walk forward into the balance of this day and the new
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Day that will come in the morning with a hope that is
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Transcendent. that's very difficult in the midst of a
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Tragedy. but in this 24 hour news cycle that we have, we
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Face tragedies on a regular basis, and this time the
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Message cannot be diminished. the messenger won't be
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Diminished. his legacy will be with us. yeah. you know, i was
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Thinking of that passage, the good things he has for us. i
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Was thinking of that passage in in the revelation given to john
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On patmos, where it says they have overcome by the blood of
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The lamb and the word of their testimony, for they loved not
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Their life, even unto death. and i see that in the life of
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Charlie kirk, someone who stood for what he believed in and was
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Coming, as eric had said earlier on, was growing and
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Growing in his faith. and i think for me, and you can
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Address this better as a pastor of many years, but i find
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Tremendous comfort in the psalms. i think it was
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Athanasius who said that whereas most of scripture
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Speaks to us, the psalms speak for us. they give us a language
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Of prayer. there's absolutely sheila, you're right. there's
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Comfort in the words of scripture. and for those
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Listening that don't know what to do, open your bible, read
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The book of psalms, read them aloud. you know, give place to
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The word of god in your life. it's an invitation to the
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Spirit of god into your heart. you need something other than
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The endless news cycle that's going to be prevalent for the
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Next season. but in the midst of that, it's powerful for me.
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I've walked through death with so many families, and you come
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Alongside those families and you have to make adjustments
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Where there's loss and there's something that's been forfeited
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And dreams are pushed aside and ambitions seem to unravel. but
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For those who remain, we have to live forward. and i'm pretty
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Confident of charlie. we're going to talk to us today. he
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Would tell us we have to live forward. you know, i was as you
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Were talking, i was reminded of acts 12. it starts with herod
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In jerusalem arresting and beheading james. he thinks he's
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Dealt the church a blow and he gets his ratings go up. so he
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Arrests peter and he's going to behead him as well. god
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Releases him. but by the end of that very chapter, acts 12, the
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Angel of the lord comes and herod is gone. and the last
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Line is that the church continued to grow. so god is
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Awake in the earth. and as tragic as this is, and as
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Broken as our hearts may be at the moment, and as i'm
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Confident that god is moving forward and we're going to move
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With him, we will heal and we will grieve and we will go
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Forward. and but don't be overwhelmed. you put your hands
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In the air. thank god for charlie kirk's life. thank god
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That you knew his voice. thank god for the truth you heard
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From him. thank god for the courageous voice of a young man
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That was willing to say what he did about biblical marriage,
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About biblical notions of family, about truth in the
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Public square. those are important messages. those are
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Timeless messages. those shouldn't be republican or
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Democratic messages. charlie, more than anything, i think was
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An advocate for the kingdom of almighty god. and that mission
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Is not lessened today. so we will continue. thank you.
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Pastor. thank you so much. and if you are just joining us, we
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Just received the devastating news that our beloved charlie
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Kirk, who is the co-founder of turning point usa, who was
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Speaking to a bunch of college students today, which is very
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Much his thing. he was at the university of utah valley
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Speaking, answering questions, making himself available to
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Kids when there was one shot that rang out and charlie was
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Immediately taken to hospital. and then we heard not so long
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Ago that charlie has passed. and so it's our prayer that
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We're praying for his his family. he had a beautiful
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Family, a darling wife. they'd only been married for about
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Four years. they had a three year old little girl and a one
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Year old little boy. and they're going to need the
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Family of god to gather around them and pray for them, and for
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All of charlie's family and for the turning point usa staff.
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These are times for us to hold up their arms in prayer. you
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Know, eric, we were just looking at a couple of the
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Photographs there of of charlie's wife and children.
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Such a beautiful family. it's so hard to think that they woke
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Up this morning believing one thing was going to be happening,
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And something completely different happened. how do you
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Even begin to address something like that? wow. i would say,
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Sheila, you used the word compassion earlier. we all have
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Compassion for erica, the kids, for charlie's family.
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Addressing that with kids. i'm going to address it with my
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Kids, 18 and 14, who are big charlie kirk fans. i'll be i'm
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In washington, dc right now. i'm not at home in texas, but
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I'll be addressing it with them tonight for sure. they're going
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To have questions. they're going to be heartbroken. but
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That word, compassion, charlie was a very compassionate
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Individual, sheila, and i think that was on full display for
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Everyone to see. in his encounters with college
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Students. he died today doing what he loved and doing what
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God put him on this earth to do, to educate, to inform, to bless
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Young people in particular. and she will think about it again.
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A compassionate heart in clip after clip. and charlie went
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Viral on social media across tiktok constantly. my daughters
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Were sharing clips with me. dad charlie kirk is amazing and he
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Was. but sheila and every one of those clips never did he
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Lord it over those students, never did he go them into a
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Confrontation. never. he always handled every single situation
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With grace, with poise, with the love of jesus. and these
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College students, oftentimes sheila would disagree
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Vehemently with them, with him, even become disrespectful.
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Charlie always kept his cool. and just with the love of jesus,
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Never with hatred in his heart again. a compassionate heart
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With the love of jesus. he set them straight. facts are a
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Stubborn thing. as another great man, ronald reagan, once
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Said, charlie had exactly that. he had the facts. he had truth
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On his side, but he had the love of jesus as well. he
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Delivered it in an amazing package. but again, i was
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Always struck. sheila. charlie was only 31 himself, 31 years
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Old, but 18, 19, 20, 21 year old young people confronting
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Him at these events he did on university campuses across the
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United states. charlie never lost his cool. he was
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Unflappable. and again, just that love, that peace, that
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Compassion. he loved people. sheila. he wouldn't have done
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What he did. he wouldn't have made this his life's mission if
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He didn't care about people. if he didn't love people, he could
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Have said, these kids are crazy. they're a bunch of radical left
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Loonies. i'm writing them off. they're done. no, he did the
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Opposite. he engaged them because he loved them. and at
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The end of the day, and pastor alan said this charlie was a
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Fierce defender of judeo-christian western
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Civilization and values. but at the end of the day, it was
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Biblical for him. at the end of the day, he didn't want to see
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Any soul perish. he wanted to the point in his messaging. he
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Was obviously very politically involved, but at the end of the
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Day, he wanted to point everyone to jesus. that was,
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Yes, political, of course, geopolitics, all of that for
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Sure. no one was better than charlie, but the end game for
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Him and the ultimate goal and the ultimate life's mission for
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Him was to point people to jesus. and who knows, sheila,
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How many young people on those campuses that he touched? how
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Many hearts and minds charlie was able to change at events
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Like the event today in utah, where he was killed? i can't
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Even believe i'm saying it. i haven't processed it yet.
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Sheila. it's too much to even bear and to think about. and by
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The way, i don't know enough. we don't know enough yet about
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The suspect, his background, but this seemed very targeted
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To me. obviously, in someone skilled, a sniper style attack.
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Again, i don't know enough about it yet, but this was a
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Strategic, demonically strategic attack on charlie
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Kirk. but again, what god has started, god will finish the
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Good work that he started in charlie kirk. through the
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Millions of young people who follow charlie, who loved him,
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Who learned from him. so you can't you may have killed the
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Messenger, quote unquote, here, but you can't kill the message.
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The train has left the station. once again, charlie started a
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Movement among young people, movement for god, for country.
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It will not be stopped if anything. and pastor alan used
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The word martyr. sheila. if anything, i think this is only
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Going to strengthen the movement and give people even
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More resilience and resolve. we will not be silenced. yeah,
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Very well said, eric. that's beautiful. you know, it's funny.
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Recently i was going through again francis schaeffer's book
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How shall we then live? and i think when you are speaking the
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Truth, you don't have to yell. it's only when you're not so
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Sure of your position that you end up screaming in other
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People's faces. and one of the things that i loved so much
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About, about charlie kirk and about turning point usa, was
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The way that he knew. i mean, he knew where his feet were
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Planted. he knew the word of god. he was growing in the word
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Of god. he believed that our nation had been founded on the
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Principles of the word of god. and those were the words that
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Were on his lips. in fact, i think we're now going to be
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Joined by someone. graham allen from turning point usa. and
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Graham, honestly, we don't hear as part of charlie kirk's tv
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Family, it's hard for us to find words to to tell you how
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Desperately sorry we are, how sad we are, and yet how
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Incredibly proud we are of charlie kirk. i agree, i agree
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As well. you know, my my my story is a little a little
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Different. charlie, charlie and me met many years ago when we
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Both were coming up in this crazy world. and what is this
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Thing about politics and and what is this thing about
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Fighting for judeo christian values in america? and, you
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Know, i was on earlier and they were showing they were showing
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Photos of me and charlie ten, 11 years ago on, on, on, on
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Benches, like having the very conversations at universities
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That he was having today that has turned into this massive,
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Massive thing. my wife was just talking to erica, charlie's
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Wife, just two days ago. it's it's in. yeah, there we are
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Right there. and it's it's it is charlie kirk in this
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Business, in this line of work, in this thing that we do.
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Charlie was as real and as authentic as it comes. charlie
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Did everything with conviction, and he did everything with
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Passion. and even at times when people would share things of of
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Charlie owning someone, it was done in compassion for for
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Showing these people the truth. let me ask you a question. i
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Know that that charlie was very outspoken on truth, and at
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Times that invites a lot of feedback in our culture. did
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You ever get the sense from charlie that he was afraid of
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What was out there, of what could potentially happen to him?
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I think i think charlie absolutely knew that there's
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Inherent risk. i mean, we saw it with the assassination
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Attempt of president trump. i think everyone that. everyone
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That stands for something. yeah, everyone. every everyone. the
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Bible, the bible is, is filled with the stories of what
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Happens when you pick up your cross and you follow the lord.
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And when you're bold about it. yeah. and i think, charlie, i
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Mean, i can't, i can't speak for him, but but but but
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There's no way that he didn't. there's no way that, you know,
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I worry and have the same not worry. i have the same thoughts
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As well. evil is real. yeah. and that has been confirmed to
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Us yet again today. that evil is real. and charlie kirk was a
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Fighter for good. charlie kirk was a christian first above
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Everything else, followed by a husband, a father, and then a
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Patriot and then a friend. and the list goes on and on. and i
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Watched charlie. charlie's a bit younger than me a couple
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Years, and and i watched charlie turn in from this. he
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Was never little. he was always so tall. but but i'd watched
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Him turn into this from this kid, into this man that became
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This force. yeah, that so many people, my kids, my kids don't
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Watch my show. they watch charlie kirk and and and and
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And what i do know is this. what charlie stood for and what
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He brought in, such a such a supernatural way that can only
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The energy he had the ability to to to do what he did on the
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Level. it was only because god was with him and allowed him to
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Be able to do that. and i believe that what charlie stood
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For, i believe what he was fighting for. i believe that
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That now falls on us, on our shoulders to take up what
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Charlie fought and believed in, so desperate, not so
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Desperately, so, so, so vividly. yeah, passionately. it was who
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He was. and that that now falls on all of us. that my my
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Prayers are with erica and his children. i can't even i can't
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Even imagine. and but i do know this. i stand here right now as
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Confident as any man can ever be, that i know where charlie
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Kirk is today, and i know where he is. and i know, i know that
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He. sorry. i know that he wouldn't want us to stop. i
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Know that he would want us to continue. that's what i know.
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Yeah. thank you graham. and please just know that you're
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The tbn family here will continue to pray for all of you
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At turning point usa. continue to lift up erica and the
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Children. and you're right, now it falls to us. the voice. one
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Voice might be stilled, but other voices will raise up. and
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So we are grateful for you, and we will continue to pray for
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Your staff. and i was thinking, eric, i was thinking about that
00:31:47.973 --> 00:31:51.977
Great missionary, jim elliot, who lost his life. i mean, he
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Went to speak to the indians, had this commitment to tell
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Them that there's a god who loves them. and eventually,
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When they landed their plane on their beach, and that those
00:32:01.987 --> 00:32:05.291
Indians came out and took jim's life. but i remember reading
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Something. i talked to his wife, elizabeth elliot, and she said
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That one of the favorite things that jim would say is he is no
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Fool to lose what he cannot keep, to keep what he cannot
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Lose. and i think we can say that about charlie, too.
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Charlie's life down here may have ended. it's just begun at
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Home, and he's left us all with a job to do. yeah. sheila again.
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You said the word earlier. legacy. he. he was a giant at
00:32:34.153 --> 00:32:38.390
31 years old and so. well said by graham. graham, if you're
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Still there. god bless you, brother. i'm so sorry for your
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Loss. and let me tell you about the kind of guy charlie was.
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The last time i saw him was march 2025, march of this year
00:32:48.801 --> 00:32:51.070
At a pro-life event run by our good friend nick vujicic, a
00:32:51.070 --> 00:32:55.975
Dear friend mutual friend. i know nick ran this event
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Standing up for the unborn. charlie was there. and sheila,
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I'll tell you to hear him speak so passionately about life,
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About the unborn, about the rights of the unborn. that is a
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Life that is a child in the womb. as the bible says. that's
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Where charlie got his whole basis, his worldview from
00:33:15.594 --> 00:33:18.364
Common sense, number one. but the bible says that's a life.
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God knew. god knew us when we were in the womb, and charlie
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Stood for that. and so many people now, even in the
00:33:27.539 --> 00:33:30.743
Conservative movement, will kind of shirk away from that
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And not stand for life and kind of stay away from the abortion
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Issue. no, charlie was front and center on it. it is life.
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It is murder to snuff out a child in the womb. i really
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Admired him for that. and 31 years old, sheila, such a well
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Shaped worldview and such a sense of who he was, what his
00:33:48.927 --> 00:33:55.234
Purpose was, the greatness of america first and foremost, the
00:33:55.234 --> 00:33:59.038
Greatness of god almighty at such a young age to have that
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Gifting. and i remember i didn't know charlie well, but i
00:34:02.908 --> 00:34:06.011
Remember my first meeting with him 2017 2018. it was at an
00:34:06.011 --> 00:34:09.848
Event in new york city just meeting him. he was as tall as
00:34:09.848 --> 00:34:14.086
Graham said, i'm tall too. i think charlie had about an inch
00:34:14.086 --> 00:34:16.989
On me. i think he was six foot five, six foot six, also a
00:34:16.989 --> 00:34:20.626
Former basketball player. but meeting him, sheila, he was
00:34:20.626 --> 00:34:23.162
This young, enthusiastic, confident guy. yeah. and i
00:34:23.162 --> 00:34:28.467
Remember thinking, man, i think at the time he was 23, 24. wow.
00:34:28.467 --> 00:34:32.838
I said, this guy's going places you just knew and people he was
00:34:32.838 --> 00:34:37.276
In the room with. he's working the room. he's 23, 24 with some
00:34:37.276 --> 00:34:41.213
Heavy hitters in this room in new york city, some some major
00:34:41.213 --> 00:34:44.883
Donors, etc. and they were all struck by charlie. they said,
00:34:44.883 --> 00:34:47.920
This kid is the real deal. he's brilliant. and you know what?
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.224
He was taken far too soon. sheila. it seems like the great
00:34:52.224 --> 00:34:55.327
Ones always are in many instances, but he accomplished
00:34:55.327 --> 00:34:58.997
So much in a short span of time. he just, you know, he just he
00:34:58.997 --> 00:35:04.136
Was college age eight years ago, seven years ago. look at what
00:35:04.136 --> 00:35:08.073
He accomplished by the by the age of 31, he literally flipped
00:35:08.073 --> 00:35:12.211
An election. he literally in 2024, that election would not
00:35:12.211 --> 00:35:17.049
Have gone president trump's way. i firmly believe without two
00:35:17.049 --> 00:35:20.452
People, elon musk and x, and what he did there and charlie
00:35:20.452 --> 00:35:24.523
Kirk. wow. and i think most people would agree. and i was
00:35:24.523 --> 00:35:27.993
Really struck. sheila, i mentioned earlier, i was with
00:35:27.993 --> 00:35:31.296
Charlie about three days before the election and interviewed
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Him. charlie, what do you think? you've been pounding the
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:37.436
Pavement, knocking on doors literally coast to coast
00:35:37.436 --> 00:35:40.506
Universities campaigning for president trump. what do you
00:35:40.506 --> 00:35:42.040
Think? he felt good. but he said, man, you never know. and
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I was really struck. it brought a smile to my face on election
00:35:46.245 --> 00:35:50.182
Night when the election was called for, president trump,
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Who charlie had worked tirelessly for really for years.
00:35:53.619 --> 00:35:56.989
And when the election was called in the turning point
00:35:56.989 --> 00:36:00.959
Offices in arizona, charlie broke down and he cried tears
00:36:00.959 --> 00:36:05.030
Of joy. he felt that vindication, the culmination of
00:36:05.030 --> 00:36:09.234
All that hard work time away from his family on the road,
00:36:09.234 --> 00:36:13.338
Doing god's work. sheila, you know, it's so hard to leave
00:36:13.338 --> 00:36:16.942
Your family. we're doing the lord's work. i'm on the road
00:36:16.942 --> 00:36:20.245
Right now. i'm away from my family. we're doing the lord's
00:36:20.245 --> 00:36:23.182
Work. we're doing what god has ordained us to do. but it's
00:36:23.182 --> 00:36:26.318
Hard. it is hard. and in the hotel room, you're all alone at
00:36:26.318 --> 00:36:30.956
Night. your family's someplace a thousand miles away or
00:36:30.956 --> 00:36:34.927
Whatever. you're alone in that room. your mind can work on you.
00:36:34.927 --> 00:36:38.330
Guess what? it's not easy. i'm not complaining. it's god's
00:36:38.330 --> 00:36:41.166
Work. we love what we do, but it's not easy at times. charlie
00:36:41.166 --> 00:36:44.870
Was in that position time and time again, away from a young
00:36:44.870 --> 00:36:48.273
Family, i think three years old and one year old and a
00:36:48.273 --> 00:36:52.144
Beautiful wife. but he did it, and he did it not for his own
00:36:52.144 --> 00:36:55.247
Glory and his own adulation. he did it for the lord. if you
00:36:55.247 --> 00:36:59.952
Talk, charlie, why he why do you do what you do? he was
00:36:59.952 --> 00:37:03.555
Getting death threats. yeah. this isn't a it's a shock to us.
00:37:03.555 --> 00:37:07.192
But in a sense, we're not shocked, sheila. and i'm sad to
00:37:07.192 --> 00:37:11.029
Say, that's the moment we're in right now in the world and in
00:37:11.029 --> 00:37:14.399
America. president trump two assassination attempts against
00:37:14.399 --> 00:37:16.501
Him in 2024. we had a beautiful young ukrainian refugee, a
00:37:16.501 --> 00:37:20.072
Young woman slaughtered on a train in charlotte, north
00:37:20.072 --> 00:37:22.608
Carolina, a bus just two weeks ago. we're now seeing details
00:37:22.608 --> 00:37:26.545
About that emerge. we see a madman who thought he was a
00:37:26.545 --> 00:37:31.116
Woman killing catholic kids at a catholic school in
00:37:31.116 --> 00:37:34.119
Minneapolis just last week. we're in a spiritual battle,
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Folks. make no mistake about it. if you had any doubt that we're
00:37:38.423 --> 00:37:42.127
Living in a different time right now, the spiritual
00:37:42.127 --> 00:37:44.863
Warfare is increasing exponentially. now is the time.
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And charlie knew this and charlie did this, and this is
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Why he did what he did. he put on the full armor of god from
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Head to toe every single day when he left his house. and he
00:37:56.141 --> 00:37:59.945
Did it today as well. so all of us, eve
00:37:59.945 --> 00:38:02.481
Us, every follower of jesus right now, we need to put on
00:38:02.481 --> 00:38:06.551
The full armor of god, because now is a time to stand, to
00:38:06.551 --> 00:38:09.221
Stand boldly, but stand like charlie did, boldly but in love,
00:38:09.221 --> 00:38:14.760
Boldly uncompromising in truth, but doing it with grace and
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.830
With compassion. and i think charlie really represented that.
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And again, if you can talk to you know how it is, sheila,
00:38:22.034 --> 00:38:25.437
When you're 18, 19, 20, 21 years old, man, you know
00:38:25.437 --> 00:38:29.374
Everything. and my parents, they didn't know anything. i'm
00:38:29.374 --> 00:38:32.444
Going to conquer the world. i have all the answers. i'm going
00:38:32.444 --> 00:38:36.114
To put this charlie kirk guy in his place. he thinks he's a big
00:38:36.114 --> 00:38:38.984
Shot. i'm going to tell him what's what. and charlie would
00:38:38.984 --> 00:38:42.220
Encounter that all the time on college campuses, and he
00:38:42.220 --> 00:38:44.256
Handled it with a smile on his face. i mean, personal insults
00:38:44.256 --> 00:38:47.926
Were hurled at him, and he'd smile and he would just lay out
00:38:47.926 --> 00:38:51.596
The facts so eloquently, so brilliantly. again, a student
00:38:51.596 --> 00:38:55.634
Of history, i mean, a very large brain, let's just say
00:38:55.634 --> 00:39:00.405
That. and a very large heart as well. and that heart was
00:39:00.405 --> 00:39:04.209
Evident, sheila, in the way he handled these young people. and
00:39:04.209 --> 00:39:07.179
He left them. you could see their faces like the light bulb
00:39:07.179 --> 00:39:10.082
Would go off. you could see on their faces. wow. maybe i was
00:39:10.082 --> 00:39:14.386
Wrong. and the hearts and minds charlie is discovering now,
00:39:14.386 --> 00:39:18.890
Sheila, now that he's in heaven and we know where he is. this
00:39:18.890 --> 00:39:22.260
Was a committed follower of jesus who was unashamed of the
00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:25.464
Gospel in every public forum. gospel first, jesus first. but
00:39:25.464 --> 00:39:30.669
Now charlie is in heaven and he's seeing the fruits, all of
00:39:30.669 --> 00:39:35.140
Those fruits of his life's work. he's seeing all the souls that
00:39:35.140 --> 00:39:39.277
Were saved, brought to jesus through his work, through his
00:39:39.277 --> 00:39:42.147
Bold witness, all the hearts and minds that were changed for
00:39:42.147 --> 00:39:45.951
Goodness and for truth and for god. charlie, seeing that now
00:39:45.951 --> 00:39:49.187
It's his legacy. it's a movement that cannot be stopped
00:39:49.187 --> 00:39:52.324
Again. the train has left the station. i'm heartbroken for
00:39:52.324 --> 00:39:55.961
His wife, his children, his mom, his dad, but especially his
00:39:55.961 --> 00:39:59.898
Children, his mom. but they have a nation behind them now,
00:39:59.898 --> 00:40:03.034
Sheila, who are going to lift up erica, kirk and the children.
00:40:03.034 --> 00:40:07.105
They will never be alone. america is behind this family
00:40:07.105 --> 00:40:11.443
Because erica paid a cost as well. and we know sheila. we
00:40:11.443 --> 00:40:15.213
Travel our spouses. they sacrifice as well. they do in
00:40:15.213 --> 00:40:20.085
Doing what we do and what god has us doing traveling, the
00:40:20.085 --> 00:40:22.954
World, crazy hours, all this stuff. and erica sacrificed a
00:40:22.954 --> 00:40:27.959
Lot. now she's made the ultimate sacrifice. god bless
00:40:27.959 --> 00:40:31.263
Her folks. pray without ceasing for charlie's family right now.
00:40:31.263 --> 00:40:34.900
They need it. but america is with them. yeah, well, very
00:40:34.900 --> 00:40:38.303
Well said, eric. let me read something that was just posted
00:40:38.303 --> 00:40:41.406
On truth social in order in honor of charlie kirk, a truly
00:40:41.406 --> 00:40:45.977
Great american patriot. i'm ordering all american flags
00:40:45.977 --> 00:40:51.516
Throughout the united states lowered to half mast until
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Sunday evening at 6 p.m. that's that's coming from our
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President saying, this is who this young man was. the out of
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Honor and respect for the life he lived. i know that president
00:41:06.331 --> 00:41:10.869
Trump and charlie were great friends, and i think i love the
00:41:10.869 --> 00:41:16.441
Way that eric combined a brilliant mind and a tender
00:41:16.441 --> 00:41:20.946
Heart, because surely that is that is who charlie kirk was to
00:41:20.946 --> 00:41:25.951
All of us. he was someone who made us think. and the thing i
00:41:25.951 --> 00:41:29.921
Love about the impact, because, you know, people said at one
00:41:29.921 --> 00:41:33.358
Point that gen z was just a lazy generation. nothing was
00:41:33.358 --> 00:41:36.228
Happening. and then we began to see, in fact, we covered it
00:41:36.228 --> 00:41:39.197
Here on tbn, this outpouring on college campuses throughout the
00:41:39.197 --> 00:41:44.002
Nation. jenny allen called everyone together. we covered
00:41:44.002 --> 00:41:47.038
It here on tbn, and you would see all these young people
00:41:47.038 --> 00:41:51.176
Worshiping all around the world. and and that was charlie's
00:41:51.176 --> 00:41:55.380
Vision. his thing was, you know what? there's a lot of lies
00:41:55.380 --> 00:41:59.551
Being told to our young people, but i'm going to go in and not
00:41:59.551 --> 00:42:03.054
Only speak the truth, but he listened. i think that is one
00:42:03.054 --> 00:42:06.157
Of the great gifts that charlie gave to to young people was
00:42:06.157 --> 00:42:09.928
That he would actually listen to what? even if you were angry,
00:42:09.928 --> 00:42:14.332
If you disagreed with him, if you were disrespectful, charlie
00:42:14.332 --> 00:42:18.069
Had enough of a solid internal anchor in who he was in christ
00:42:18.069 --> 00:42:23.975
To be able to listen. and then very gently at times and very
00:42:23.975 --> 00:42:30.415
Passionately at the times, share the truth of the gospel.
00:42:30.415 --> 00:42:33.018
And as eric says, his voice may have been silenced, but the
00:42:33.018 --> 00:42:37.022
Truth will not be silenced. i think i believe eric, the enemy,
00:42:37.022 --> 00:42:43.028
Always overplays his hand. i've tried to think exactly what the
00:42:43.028 --> 00:42:46.264
References in the new testament. i can't off the top of my head,
00:42:46.264 --> 00:42:49.935
But it talks about paul, talks about the fact if he'd known
00:42:49.935 --> 00:42:53.104
What was going to happen when he stood in that crowd and
00:42:53.104 --> 00:42:56.041
Yelled, encouraged everyone to yell, crucify him! crucify him!
00:42:56.041 --> 00:42:58.877
If he'd only known that that was part of god's plan, he
00:42:58.877 --> 00:43:03.214
Would never have riled the crowd, the crowd up, the enemy
00:43:03.214 --> 00:43:07.419
Always overplays his hand. so charlie is home safe with jesus.
00:43:07.419 --> 00:43:11.923
But i think that there's going to be. in fact, i pray that
00:43:11.923 --> 00:43:15.260
Right now, lord, right now, in jesus name, i pray for a fresh
00:43:15.260 --> 00:43:19.531
Anointing on your people. lord, i ask for courage. i ask for
00:43:19.531 --> 00:43:25.136
Compassion. i ask for clarity of thought. i ask for boldness
00:43:25.136 --> 00:43:29.641
In speech. lord, for too long we've been afraid of what
00:43:29.641 --> 00:43:33.078
People will think. those days are over. we can't think like
00:43:33.078 --> 00:43:37.015
That anymore. so now, lord, i ask you, we as a family here at
00:43:37.015 --> 00:43:42.020
Tbn ask you, holy spirit, for a fresh anointing of boldness for
00:43:42.020 --> 00:43:47.325
The gospel of jesus christ, and we ask it in his powerful name,
00:43:47.325 --> 00:43:52.130
Amen. amen. sheila, i'm just looking at the footage right
00:43:52.130 --> 00:43:57.268
Now of charlie, and i can't i can't believe it. and with his
00:43:57.268 --> 00:44:01.339
Family, because he was such a force of nature, not only was
00:44:01.339 --> 00:44:05.176
He a big guy in his physical stature, but he was a force of
00:44:05.176 --> 00:44:10.482
Nature. and that mind, that brilliant mind that god
00:44:10.482 --> 00:44:14.686
Almighty gave him. and to think that he's gone. and pastor
00:44:14.686 --> 00:44:18.223
Allen jackson said it earlier, it's a grieving process here.
00:44:18.223 --> 00:44:21.459
But, sheila, you said it. we will not remain silent anymore.
00:44:21.459 --> 00:44:25.964
And charlie kirk inspired all of us. his boldness, his
00:44:25.964 --> 00:44:32.137
Unapologetic witness for the gospel, for biblical truth, for
00:44:32.137 --> 00:44:35.440
America, and for the special role that this nation has
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:40.111
Played in god's economy, in god's plan. god has raised
00:44:40.111 --> 00:44:44.182
America up. look, we've got our flaws, no doubt, but god has
00:44:44.182 --> 00:44:48.119
Done great things through this nation. charlie realized that
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:51.923
That america is pretty much the last, best hope in a very
00:44:51.923 --> 00:44:56.194
Fallen world. and he realized that, and he honored that. and
00:44:56.194 --> 00:45:00.965
Generation z, sheila, i'm glad you mentioned that, because i
00:45:00.965 --> 00:45:04.302
Have two gen z kids. and a lot of times, look, all of us, i as
00:45:04.302 --> 00:45:09.274
Well said, man, what is up with gen z, especially during covid
00:45:09.274 --> 00:45:13.812
Because that generation, remember, was the hardest hit
00:45:13.812 --> 00:45:17.115
During covid. they were the kids in school. they were the
00:45:17.115 --> 00:45:20.518
Kids virtual learning for two years and wearing masks. and
00:45:20.518 --> 00:45:22.954
All this madness that stretched on for two years in some school
00:45:22.954 --> 00:45:27.459
Districts across america. it made just a horrific imprint on
00:45:27.459 --> 00:45:33.031
That generation. kids were home on tiktok and a lot of the
00:45:33.031 --> 00:45:37.001
Transgender madness, which charlie spoke out so strongly
00:45:37.001 --> 00:45:40.038
Against. a lot of that really ramped up. 2020, 2021, and a
00:45:40.038 --> 00:45:45.877
Lot of people were saying, wow, gen z is a mess. what does the
00:45:45.877 --> 00:45:50.248
Future? we are not in good hands if they are the future
00:45:50.248 --> 00:45:53.251
Torchbearers for the united states. and yet charlie saw
00:45:53.251 --> 00:45:57.122
Something in that generation. and sheila, he helped bring it
00:45:57.122 --> 00:46:01.092
Out of them. yeah, he helped tap into that generation. that
00:46:01.092 --> 00:46:04.896
Was a generation and is a generation that's fed up again.
00:46:04.896 --> 00:46:09.100
They were the main victims of the covid madness. those two
00:46:09.100 --> 00:46:13.404
Years upside down craziness of the woke movement. and men are
00:46:13.404 --> 00:46:18.042
Men are evil and especially christian men. they're the the
00:46:18.042 --> 00:46:22.013
Bane of our existence. and they were spoon fed this by the left
00:46:22.013 --> 00:46:26.151
And by this woke movement for several years. and they said,
00:46:26.151 --> 00:46:30.522
Enough is enough. a life without christ is a life
00:46:30.522 --> 00:46:34.159
Without meaning. it's bankrupt. and gen z is realizing that and
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:38.263
They're rejecting it. and you mentioned sheila, the great
00:46:38.263 --> 00:46:42.100
Revivals, which you've covered for us here on tbn, the great
00:46:42.100 --> 00:46:45.103
Revivals sweeping across college campuses. something is
00:46:45.103 --> 00:46:48.940
Happening in gen z. i encourage everyone watching. today is a
00:46:48.940 --> 00:46:53.211
Day. tragic is an understatement. but do not
00:46:53.211 --> 00:46:56.548
Despair. charlie wouldn't want it. wanted us to have despaired,
00:46:56.548 --> 00:47:00.084
Number one. but number two again. he helped to raise up
00:47:00.084 --> 00:47:04.022
And train up a generation, millions upon millions of young
00:47:04.022 --> 00:47:07.992
People who get it, who love jesus. yeah, who love america.
00:47:07.992 --> 00:47:12.964
Absolutely. eric, thank you so much. and it's why we're
00:47:12.964 --> 00:47:16.301
Grateful for your voice stackelbeck tonight. and also
00:47:16.301 --> 00:47:19.103
Charlie kirk today was his show was on tbn every single day. a
00:47:19.103 --> 00:47:23.875
Powerful voice, speaking truth, speaking love, speaking truth
00:47:23.875 --> 00:47:28.379
With love. and someone that we always turn to whenever
00:47:28.379 --> 00:47:32.116
Something happens that is devastating in our country or
00:47:32.116 --> 00:47:35.220
Around the world. one of the voices that i respect more than
00:47:35.220 --> 00:47:39.157
Any other is going to join me right now. i'm going to be
00:47:39.157 --> 00:47:42.927
Joined by pastor robert jeffress of first baptist here
00:47:42.927 --> 00:47:45.296
In dallas. and pastor i it's hard to find words at a time
00:47:45.296 --> 00:47:51.135
Like this, but i just invite you to speak to us in this
00:47:51.135 --> 00:47:56.307
Situation with the wisdom that god has instilled in you with
00:47:56.307 --> 00:48:00.178
Sheila. this is a real tragedy, and i think we have to speak
00:48:00.178 --> 00:48:03.281
Truth. charlie would want us to speak truth at this point. and
00:48:03.281 --> 00:48:07.151
I come from the viewpoint of somebody who knew charlie not
00:48:07.151 --> 00:48:12.023
Well, but i knew him. he had spoken in our church at a
00:48:12.023 --> 00:48:15.360
Seminar before, and we both acknowledged we didn't agree
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:18.196
With one another on some issues. they were secondary issues, but
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We agreed on the essential. but i think we need to call this
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Killing what it is. this is satanically inspired. you know,
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Jesus said in john eight, satan is a murderer. he is a liar. he
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Is the father of all lies. in john ten the lord said, satan
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Is the thief who comes to kill, steal, and destroy. and this
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Act of murder today, and it's what it was. it was murder. was
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Satan's plan to try to silence the truth that charlie spoke.
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But he isn't going to win that victory. the truth is going to
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Win in the long run here. and i think right now, as christians,
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We need to be praying for his wife, erica, their two small
00:49:01.072 --> 00:49:04.976
Children, as they go through this tremendous loss. but
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Charlie was a believer, a follower of jesus christ. and
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We know from second corinthians five eight that for a christian
00:49:11.282 --> 00:49:14.986
Like charlie kirk, to be absent from the body is to be at home
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With the lord. and that's where he is. one and one day we'll
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All join him there. oh, beautifully said pastor, but
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Let me ask, what would you say to those in our audience who
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Feel like the times are becoming so unpredictable that
00:49:29.100 --> 00:49:31.235
Life is becoming scary? how do we as believers live in these
00:49:31.235 --> 00:49:35.406
Days? well, i think we have to live. first of all, speaking
00:49:35.406 --> 00:49:40.078
Truth. speaking truth in love, as you said a few moments ago,
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But nevertheless speaking truth. and one of the great lies that
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Is being perpetrated on gen x and other parts of our
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Population is this lie of transgenderism, which
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Apparently charlie was talking about moments before he was
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Murdered. and again, it is a lie from the pit of hell that
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We are responsible for our own gender. gender that somehow we
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Can usurp the creator and be whatever we want to be. that is
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A lie from the pit of hell. and we need to understand that
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We've got to speak the truth, whatever that truth has to be,
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Whether it's the truth about gender or the truth about the
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Exclusivity of christ, that he alone is the way to salvation,
00:50:25.056 --> 00:50:30.361
That every other religion is wrong. it's a myth. it's a lie
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Christ came to offer not just another way to heaven, but the
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Only way to heaven. so i think we need to live speaking the
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Truth. we don't need to live in fear. i do think we have to be
00:50:41.739 --> 00:50:46.644
Aware, especially after the shooting in minnesota at that
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Catholic school and other places we've seen recently. we
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Do need to be prepared to meet those who would perpetrate
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Violence. we are stepping up our security. we did after
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Minnesota. we're doing so today realizing that the enemy is on
00:51:02.226 --> 00:51:07.065
The prowl. and when we talk about protecting the value of
00:51:07.065 --> 00:51:10.334
Life, it's not just the value of life inside the womb, it's
00:51:10.334 --> 00:51:14.338
The value of life outside the womb. we need to protect the
00:51:14.338 --> 00:51:18.543
Lives of church members and truth seekers however we can,
00:51:18.543 --> 00:51:21.946
But we cannot let the enemy have the last word in this. if
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He, if we are silenced, if we hold back on speaking the truth
00:51:27.151 --> 00:51:31.322
And love, then satan has won a victory and it would dishonor
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The memory of charlie kirk or any other christian who's given
00:51:35.226 --> 00:51:39.897
His life to speak truth. if we end up being silenced by this.
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Yeah, absolutely, pastor. i think our voices will get
00:51:43.167 --> 00:51:47.138
Stronger. i would love to ask you if you would pray for our
00:51:47.138 --> 00:51:50.875
Audience, for those who have, there's some people watching
00:51:50.875 --> 00:51:53.711
Today who've experienced a personal loss, who are going
00:51:53.711 --> 00:51:56.147
Through all sorts of difficult things. and obviously for for
00:51:56.147 --> 00:51:58.916
Charlie's family. pastor, would you pray for us? you bet. i'd
00:51:58.916 --> 00:52:02.954
Be honored to. heavenly father, what we've seen today is just
00:52:02.954 --> 00:52:07.892
Further evidence of the truth of your word that our battle is
00:52:07.892 --> 00:52:11.662
Not against flesh and blood, but it's against the unseen
00:52:11.662 --> 00:52:14.132
Forces of darkness and heavenly places. and, father, we today
00:52:14.132 --> 00:52:20.171
Join with others in condemning this brutal act of murder. we
00:52:20.171 --> 00:52:24.342
Want to pray for charlie kirk's family, erica for the two
00:52:24.342 --> 00:52:28.179
Children he leaves behind that you would be especially
00:52:28.179 --> 00:52:31.949
Merciful to them. and father, we recognize that this is a war,
00:52:31.949 --> 00:52:36.988
A satanic war that is going on. as somebody said, we don't live
00:52:36.988 --> 00:52:42.093
On a playground. we live on a battleground. and father it
00:52:42.093 --> 00:52:46.130
Recent intervals lately, whether it's the camp mystic
00:52:46.130 --> 00:52:50.535
This summer or whether it's in minnesota at that catholic
00:52:50.535 --> 00:52:54.071
Church several weeks ago, we acknowledge that sometimes it
00:52:54.071 --> 00:52:57.909
Seems like the enemy seems to be winning. but thank god this
00:52:57.909 --> 00:53:01.946
Isn't the end. there's a hope and an assurance that one day
00:53:01.946 --> 00:53:06.017
Christ is coming back again to establish that new kingdom,
00:53:06.017 --> 00:53:10.354
That new heaven, that new earth, that on that day. revelation 21
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Four says, you will wipe away every tear from our eyes, for
00:53:14.358 --> 00:53:18.296
There shall no longer be any death or mourning, or crying or
00:53:18.296 --> 00:53:22.133
Pain. and until that time of a new heaven and new earth give
00:53:22.133 --> 00:53:25.903
Us the courage to keep on speaking truth. and, father, i
00:53:25.903 --> 00:53:29.106
Pray right now for the ministry of tbn as they share your truth
00:53:29.106 --> 00:53:34.979
Literally around the world, father, that you would
00:53:34.979 --> 00:53:37.982
Strengthen this organization and that we would continue the
00:53:37.982 --> 00:53:41.352
Tradition of charlie kirk and speaking the truth in love. and
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We pray this in the name of the one who came and died and rose
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Again, that we might have eternal life, jesus our lord.
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It's in his saving name that we pray. amen, amen, amen. pastor,
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Thank you so much. eric, why don't you talk to us about
00:53:58.169 --> 00:54:02.073
What's happening in how this is going to impact our, our nation
00:54:02.073 --> 00:54:06.143
And how our president would like us to honor this man? well,
00:54:06.143 --> 00:54:12.116
Sheila, right now you can see behind me the shot at the white
00:54:12.116 --> 00:54:15.119
House. the flag at the white house is already at half mast,
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:18.256
As you mentioned earlier. that's going to be until i
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Think president trump said 6 p.m. this sunday. flags will be
00:54:21.626 --> 00:54:24.161
At half mast, and rightly so. and i think of what joseph said
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To his brothers, what you meant for evil. god meant for good.
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And this was an evil act. it was murder of the most heinous
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Sort, sheila. but i really believe that god is going to
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Bring good out of this horrific, horrific act. god's going to
00:54:44.915 --> 00:54:49.920
Bring good out of this. and i think it's going to actually
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Not silence people. i think people will be encouraged to be
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Even more bold. you're not going to silence us. you're
00:54:58.229 --> 00:55:01.165
Going to see, i think, a resilience and a steadfastness
00:55:01.165 --> 00:55:06.003
Among people. and i think you're going to see new charlie
00:55:06.003 --> 00:55:10.041
Kirk's new lions for truth rise up in this nation. i really
00:55:10.041 --> 00:55:14.045
Believe this is going to be a galvanizing moment for all
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That's good and true. and sheila, you said it a few
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Minutes ago. the devil overplayed his hand. yeah, he
00:55:21.052 --> 00:55:24.522
Always, always does. he thought, look, i'm silencing a messenger
00:55:24.522 --> 00:55:28.259
Here. it's going to kill the moon. we're going to take this
00:55:28.259 --> 00:55:31.195
Kirk out. and again, sheila, without hesitation. this was a
00:55:31.195 --> 00:55:35.900
Possible future president of the united states. that's not
00:55:35.900 --> 00:55:39.837
An overstatement to say that. 31 years old. brilliant.
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Already in president trump's inner circle and everything
00:55:44.041 --> 00:55:47.345
Ahead of him. very close to vice president vance as well.
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So the devil some have said the devil is a preemptive or he
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Tries to be a preemptive and he tried to preemptively snuff out
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Something great. in a sense, he did. charlie is no longer with
00:56:00.725 --> 00:56:06.797
Us, but. i think we maybe just lost our connection with eric.
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But but let me let me remind you of something. doctor
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Jeffries mentioned this, and this is from revelation 21. i
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Want to remind you that no matter what is going on in the
00:56:23.147 --> 00:56:26.183
World, this is the truth. this is revelation chapter 21. then
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I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and
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The old earth had disappeared, and the sea was also gone. and
00:56:34.525 --> 00:56:37.928
I saw the holy city, the new jerusalem, coming down from god
00:56:37.928 --> 00:56:42.967
Out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her
00:56:42.967 --> 00:56:47.338
Husband. i heard a loud shout from the throne saying, look,
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God's home is now among his people. he will live with them
00:56:51.175 --> 00:56:55.479
And they will be his people. god himself will be with them.
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Listen, if you are struggling today, if you are hurting today,
00:57:00.885 --> 00:57:04.488
Listen to these words. he will wipe every tear from their eyes
00:57:04.488 --> 00:57:08.225
And there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain.
00:57:08.225 --> 00:57:14.265
All these things are gone forever. we have this glorious
00:57:14.265 --> 00:57:19.937
Future. and you know what, eric? i think we've got you back
00:57:19.937 --> 00:57:23.007
Again. but one of the things i feel like in my own spirit that
00:57:23.007 --> 00:57:26.310
I want to say is i think this is a time for us all to wake up.
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You know, i think it's easy sometimes to coast as a
00:57:30.881 --> 00:57:34.018
Believer and think, well, you know, god's moving around the
00:57:34.018 --> 00:57:36.353
World. everything's great. this is a time for every single one
00:57:36.353 --> 00:57:39.123
Of us to daily dive deep into the living word of god, to
00:57:39.123 --> 00:57:44.195
Study god's word, to know what god said. because the world is
00:57:44.195 --> 00:57:48.332
Getting more and more confusing. we do not have to live as those
00:57:48.332 --> 00:57:52.603
Who are confused. we know what god's revealed word is. and if
00:57:52.603 --> 00:57:57.441
Every believer took this sad day when we said goodbye to a
00:57:57.441 --> 00:58:03.314
Dear brother and said, okay, we're going to pick up that
00:58:03.314 --> 00:58:07.251
Baton and we're going to study the word of god, and we are
00:58:07.251 --> 00:58:10.287
Going to speak out for truth. i think it would be such a
00:58:10.287 --> 00:58:15.159
Glorious victory for the kingdom of god. sheila. so well
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:19.163
Said. and you make a great point about the church, our
00:58:19.163 --> 00:58:22.066
Dear brothers and sisters in christ. i think far too often
00:58:22.066 --> 00:58:25.336
Say, you know what, i'm just going to sit on the couch and
00:58:25.336 --> 00:58:29.273
Watch tv and wait until jesus returns. i don't have to do
00:58:29.273 --> 00:58:33.177
Anything. you know, when jesus returns, i'm going to sit here.
00:58:33.177 --> 00:58:35.946
Wait, no. jesus calls us to be proactive, to get about doing
00:58:35.946 --> 00:58:41.285
The work of our father, to doing our father's business. a
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Lot of people are probably saying and said, for years, man,
00:58:45.589 --> 00:58:48.092
Thank god we have charlie kirk. he's out there banging the drum,
00:58:48.092 --> 00:58:52.062
Speaking the truth. thank god for charlie kirk. guess what?
00:58:52.062 --> 00:58:54.899
Maybe it's time for more people like charlie kirk in the body
00:58:54.899 --> 00:59:00.070
Of christ to step up and now fill this tremendous, massive,
00:59:00.070 --> 00:59:05.009
Gaping vacuum that the loss of charlie kirk has left behind.
00:59:05.009 --> 00:59:08.913
It's time for new champions for christ, new lions and lionesses
00:59:08.913 --> 00:59:15.085
To raise up, to stand up, to be bold. you can't stop the gospel.
00:59:15.085 --> 00:59:21.458
No one. every tyranny in history has tried. none have
00:59:21.458 --> 00:59:25.362
Been able to do it. and at the end of the day, yes, you're
00:59:25.362 --> 00:59:29.900
Silencing a politically savvy voice with massive influence,
00:59:29.900 --> 00:59:34.305
Especially among young people and generation z. but at the
00:59:34.305 --> 00:59:37.174
End of the day, the enemy's plan here in silencing charlie
00:59:37.174 --> 00:59:41.478
Is to silence the gospel that can't be stressed enough,
00:59:41.478 --> 00:59:45.049
Because this was someone with dual messaging. yes, it was geo
00:59:45.049 --> 00:59:50.654
Political. it was political, no doubt. but it was spiritual.
00:59:50.654 --> 00:59:54.158
And that was the bedrock among charlie's entire ideology and
00:59:54.158 --> 00:59:58.996
Worldview. it all pointed back to christ. so that made him a
00:59:58.996 --> 01:00:03.968
Double threat to the enemy. you're not only snuffing out
01:00:03.968 --> 01:00:07.104
The political influence and obviously helping to swing the
01:00:07.104 --> 01:00:11.308
Election in 2024, helping to swing young people to president
01:00:11.308 --> 01:00:14.678
Trump and win an election. but you're silencing a champion for
01:00:14.678 --> 01:00:18.415
Christ and the gospel. who was changing hearts and drawing
01:00:18.415 --> 01:00:21.085
Hearts to jesus on college campuses across the united
01:00:21.085 --> 01:00:24.021
States. now, at least, that's what the enemy thought he was
01:00:24.021 --> 01:00:27.858
Doing. sheila. yeah, but overplaying the hand, i
01:00:27.858 --> 01:00:31.128
Actually wait. and charlie, i know he would want new voices
01:00:31.128 --> 01:00:35.899
To rise up. he would say if he were here, and i didn't know
01:00:35.899 --> 01:00:40.037
Him well, but i knew him well enough and have listened to him
01:00:40.037 --> 01:00:42.973
Well enough to know this. he would say, do not be silent.
01:00:42.973 --> 01:00:46.877
Are you kidding me? go forward, be proactive. be bold for the
01:00:46.877 --> 01:00:50.314
Gospel. hey, jesus said to his disciples, he didn't say, well,
01:00:50.314 --> 01:00:55.185
Take your time, sit there. kind of chill out. wait. he said, go.
01:00:55.185 --> 01:01:00.157
Go and make disciples of all nations. we serve a proactive
01:01:00.157 --> 01:01:05.562
God who encourages and inspires us. we to be proactive and to
01:01:05.562 --> 01:01:16.006
Be bold and to get out there and to pound the pavement. and
01:01:16.006 --> 01:01:19.109
Everyone has a different role in the kingdom. charlie was
01:01:19.109 --> 01:01:22.246
Front and center. he was a public voice, a public figure,
01:01:22.246 --> 01:01:25.049
No doubt. but there are so many roles that god has in unique
01:01:25.049 --> 01:01:28.952
Giftings for every believer. sheila, as you know so well,
01:01:28.952 --> 01:01:31.955
Some people will be behind the scenes and we see it in our tbn
01:01:31.955 --> 01:01:35.292
Family, some people in front of the camera, some people behind
01:01:35.292 --> 01:01:38.262
The scenes, behind the cameras, all working together for the
01:01:38.262 --> 01:01:41.932
Common good and for the gospel. so i think charlie kirk would
01:01:41.932 --> 01:01:46.203
Say, be silent. back down. are you crazy? what are you doing?
01:01:46.203 --> 01:01:51.175
This is a time to speak out more than ever. and i think we
01:01:51.175 --> 01:01:54.912
Honor his memory and may his memory be a blessing. may i
01:01:54.912 --> 01:01:58.248
Think we honor his memory to say. whoa, wait a minute. no,
01:01:58.248 --> 01:02:02.119
No, no, you will not shut us up. you will not shut us down.
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:06.223
We're going to speak out. we're going to be bold. we're going
01:02:06.223 --> 01:02:09.026
To stand for again what he stood for. all that's good and
01:02:09.026 --> 01:02:12.229
True. 31 years old. younger than me, sheila. but an
01:02:12.229 --> 01:02:15.099
Inspiration to me. a lasting legacy, a lasting imprint. and
01:02:15.099 --> 01:02:18.168
I honestly think the movement he started turning point usa,
01:02:18.168 --> 01:02:22.272
It's massive. and our viewers here at tbn heard about it
01:02:22.272 --> 01:02:25.375
Every weeknight, monday through friday. but i believe that
01:02:25.375 --> 01:02:28.245
Movement will now grow exponentially. and pastor allen
01:02:28.245 --> 01:02:32.216
Jackson used the word martyr earlier. yes, ultimately,
01:02:32.216 --> 01:02:35.986
Charlie is for the gospel, for truth. and i think people are
01:02:35.986 --> 01:02:41.191
Going to see that. i think people are going to be filled
01:02:41.191 --> 01:02:44.061
With righteous anger through this and say, enough is enough,
01:02:44.061 --> 01:02:48.165
Enough is enough, and the light will push back against the
01:02:48.165 --> 01:02:52.136
Darkness and the truth will win, because god is with the truth,
01:02:52.136 --> 01:02:56.306
And the truth is on the side of the gospel. beautifully said
01:02:56.306 --> 01:02:59.243
Eric. you know, earlier on today i was interviewing erwin
01:02:59.243 --> 01:03:01.979
Mcmanus, who's pastor of of mosaic in los angeles, and he
01:03:01.979 --> 01:03:06.049
Talked about when christ sat down with the sermon on the
01:03:06.049 --> 01:03:09.253
Mount and the mount of beatitudes. and he looked out
01:03:09.253 --> 01:03:12.022
At this vast crowd, not at the religious leaders, not at those
01:03:12.022 --> 01:03:15.025
Who supposedly knew the text of scripture, knew the torah. he
01:03:15.025 --> 01:03:18.295
Looked out at this vast crowd of people, and he said to them,
01:03:18.295 --> 01:03:22.266
You are the salt of the earth, but what good is salt if it's
01:03:22.266 --> 01:03:26.003
Lost its flavor? can you make it salty again? it will be
01:03:26.003 --> 01:03:29.206
Thrown out and trampled underfoot as worthless. you are
01:03:29.206 --> 01:03:31.608
The light of the world, like a city on a hilltop that cannot
01:03:31.608 --> 01:03:35.245
Be hidden. that was jesus speaking to this vast crowd of
01:03:35.245 --> 01:03:38.048
People who felt like nobodies. they were the people who showed
01:03:38.048 --> 01:03:41.485
Up to listen because there was somebody speaking, not like
01:03:41.485 --> 01:03:44.087
Their religious leaders. this man was speaking as somebody
01:03:44.087 --> 01:03:48.325
With authority. but the thing i love, eric, and this is
01:03:48.325 --> 01:03:52.296
Certainly my story, god loves to take the least likely among
01:03:52.296 --> 01:03:55.999
Us and fill us with his holy spirit and give us a voice. and
01:03:55.999 --> 01:04:00.003
So i'm just seeing that this is something that will be birthed
01:04:00.003 --> 01:04:03.841
From this tragic event of of saying goodbye to charlie kirk,
01:04:03.841 --> 01:04:08.212
That god will raise up ordinary men and women who will simply
01:04:08.212 --> 01:04:12.416
Say, lord, i'm in, i'm here. i want to do my part. and you're
01:04:12.416 --> 01:04:17.321
Right. we'll all have different gifts. we'll all do it in
01:04:17.321 --> 01:04:20.190
Different ways. but we've all been given a voice. and when we
01:04:20.190 --> 01:04:24.228
Use our voice to speak the truth about the kingdom of god,
01:04:24.228 --> 01:04:28.065
Because let's face it, so many people in those days who were
01:04:28.065 --> 01:04:33.003
Listening to jesus, they thought god was angry with them.
01:04:33.003 --> 01:04:36.006
Every devout jew woke up every morning under what was called
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The burden of the law. 613 things to do or not do. but
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Jesus said, come unto me, all who are weary and heavy laden,
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And i will give you rest. take my yoke upon you, and learn of
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Me. for my yoke is easy and my burden is light. i believe
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These are days, eric, for us as god's sons and daughters, to
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Say, okay, lord, i'm all in until it's all over. yeah,
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Sheila, so well said. we live in my view. we live in bible
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Times. all times are bible times. but today in particular,
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We're seeing chess pieces moving. in my view, these are
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Perilous times. there's evil in the land. clearly there's evil
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In the land. and the enemy's goal in this, in charlie, being
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Murdered today is to again silence people and to scare
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People into silence and into submission. quite frankly, i
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Think it's going to do quite the opposite. again,
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Overplaying his hand, i think this is going to galvanize
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People, sheila, from coast to coast of all ages. and i think
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Maybe even hopefully, god willing, of all political
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Persuasions to say enough is enough. this is madness. it's
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Gone too far. this is insanity. i think this is going to be
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Ultimately, as we're dealing, trying to come to grips with
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The tragedy, the grief. i think ultimately when people sit back
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And process this, it's going to galvanize and righteous anger.
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Key word there, sheila. righteous anger. and, you know,
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On a personal note, i always think of this when i see a
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Shooting right away. i thought of this when president trump
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Survived in butler, pa last year. i first thing i thought
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Today when charlie was shot, i was shot sheila in 1999. a lot
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Of our viewers may not know that i have a bullet, a 22
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Caliber bullet in my right hip right now as i speak to you.
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April 1999. i was shot in an act of street violence in my
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Hometown of philadelphia. that bullet is about a millimeter
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From my femoral artery. now, that's the main artery running
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Down your leg. and if you get shot there, as the doctor told
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Me, it's a miracle you're alive. because a millimeter or more to
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The right, it would have sliced, severed your femoral artery,
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Eric, and you would have bled out and bled to death. you
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Would have died. it's a miracle that you're here. so i. you
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Know, i think of this. i see charlie, and i just say, lord,
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Why am i here? you know, you question everything. a great
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Lion like charlie, 31 years old, a young family and folks, i
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Just have to say, i. they say, count your blessings, right.
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Thank god almighty that we're here and that we have even.
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It's a twisted dark world upside down. no doubt we live
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In times that the the prophet isaiah described very
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Accurately, where good is called evil and evil is called
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Good. a good man like charlie kirk was called evil. so we
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Live in upside down times. but you know what? we're here for a
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Reason. and we were born at this moment in history for such
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A time as this, for a reason. we could have been born any
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Time in history. but god has us here on earth. in the year 2025.
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Why? so? i think at a moment like this, we're asking what's
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It all about? and lord, what's my purpose here? how can i
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Greater serve the kingdom in a more powerful way? what can i
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Do? like isaiah said, send me, lord, send me. we need more
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People right now, like charlie kirk, who are willing to do and
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Say what isaiah said to the lord, send me. and he sent
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Charlie around the world, around the country. and just
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Thinking about that, having a bullet in my hip right now,
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Sheila, coming to you and thinking, lord, thank you. my
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Gosh, that that could be me. a lot of thoughts going through
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Your head, but just praising the lord and a lot of
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Self-examination right now and saying, my gosh, god, you
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Spared my life. what can i do better? what can i do more?
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Because charlie was such a lion and he did everything and he's
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Gone but not gone. he's gone in the physical. he's in heaven
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Now. his memory. this is someone. and president trump
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Used the term sheila legendary. and it sounds crazy saying that
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About a 31 year old. but he had already become legendary for
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What he had accomplished. and i've seen him in the rooms.
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Sheila, with people 40, 30, 40 years his senior, owning that
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Room as a brilliant, spirit filled 31 year old man. so he
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Was a legend in his time. and i'm telling you, this is
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Someone who's going to galvanize even further. the
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Revival is already stirring, and he helped to push that
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Forward. the revival in generation z, it's spreading
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From campus to campus. galvanize is the word that just
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Comes to mind. it's going to galvanize people, not people
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Aren't going to back down and be devastated. the wind out of
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Their sails, maybe momentarily. yes. wind out of our sails.
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It's a gut punch. but as the days and weeks go on and
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Everyone processes this, it's going to be a galvanizing
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Moment at the end of the day. yeah, you're absolutely right.
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Eric. and i did not know that about you. and we as your tbn
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Family, thank god for sparing your life. you are here for
01:10:02.165 --> 01:10:07.304
Such a time as this. and you know, eric, i was just looking
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At my watch in about 30 minutes. it would have been charlie's
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Show in about 30 minutes. he had a show on tbn five days a
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Week, and he sat here and talked to us about what
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Mattered. he talked to us about what was to us.
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He opened our eyes. i think that's one of charlie's
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Greatest gifts, was to be able to to open our eyes, to take
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The blinkers off and to see through the kind of foggy lies
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That are out there on social media, which are so easy to
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Believe. but these are not days for believers to get what they
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Believe from social media. social media has a place. yeah,
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It's a great place to gather and call people together to
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Pray, but we need to be getting who we are and whose we are
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From the word of god. i am praying. i'm asking god that
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Even as we get closer to the time when it would have been
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Charlie's show, charlie kirk today on tbn five days a week,
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That there would be a fresh mantle falling on his people,
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On god's people, and that as you well said, eric, maybe
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God's raising up another little charlie kirk all across
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Different campuses in america who heard this man speak with
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Truth, with authority, and with love for what? and there's
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Something in it in us. every human being is made in the
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Image of god. and there's something about truth that
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Resonates deep within us. and that was charlie's legacy to
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All of us who speak the truth. and so i just i just want to
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Say, eric, how grateful we all are that you are with us and
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That you nightly sit with us and share the truth with us as
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Well. likewise, sheila, thank you so much. it's an honor and
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A privilege. and again, on a day like today, just it all
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Hits you. and when i saw the bullet, it hit president
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Trump's ear. when i see charlie today, that footage, i, i
01:12:13.063 --> 01:12:15.999
Cringe. it brings back many bad memories of that day 26 years
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Ago and how it felt. it's a privilege and an honor to serve.
01:12:20.870 --> 01:12:25.308
And i like to say that i serve at the pleasure of the king,
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King jesus, and we all do. and you know, when i was shot, i
01:12:28.912 --> 01:12:33.350
Didn't know the lord in a personal way, i did not i was
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Not a new creation in christ. i had not been born again, a new
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Creation in christ, a new life, a new man put away the old man
01:12:41.057 --> 01:12:45.462
Become a new man. so thank god again that my life was not
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Snuffed out that day. and thank god that charlie today, who was
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Murdered, savagely knew the lord. and charlie is in heaven
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Now. and the lord greeted him with, well done, my good and
01:12:58.408 --> 01:13:03.513
Faithful servant. we have no doubt, we have no doubt we know
01:13:03.513 --> 01:13:07.117
Where charlie is. we know where he knew where his salvation
01:13:07.117 --> 01:13:10.086
Lied. and he's with the lord. and only 31 years, it seems,
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And not seems it is. it's too short. we didn't have enough of
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Charlie. but i think of all he accomplished in 31 short years
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On this earth. sheila, a legacy and accomplishments that people
01:13:25.268 --> 01:13:30.774
7080 years old can only dream of in this 31 year old young
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Guy and his greatest legacy. and i keep seeing the footage
01:13:35.111 --> 01:13:38.515
That we're showing was as a father and a husband, i know.
01:13:38.515 --> 01:13:40.950
So i just encourage everyone now look at that beautiful
01:13:40.950 --> 01:13:43.987
Family. and you could see in every picture. and when he
01:13:43.987 --> 01:13:48.224
Talked about his wife and his children, he was beaming. this
01:13:48.224 --> 01:13:51.027
Was a proud papa. he loved his family, his wife and i see
01:13:51.027 --> 01:13:56.065
Pictures of he and his wife together in israel. talk about
01:13:56.065 --> 01:13:59.002
A bonding experience to go to israel with your loved ones and
01:13:59.002 --> 01:14:02.238
Experience that together. but this was a guy who loved his
01:14:02.238 --> 01:14:06.109
Family. it was a family man. i just look at it. my heart's
01:14:06.109 --> 01:14:11.181
Broken in two. it truly is. i just want to encourage people
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Again. i can't get it off my mind. sheila, to pray for erica
01:14:15.118 --> 01:14:18.254
And pray for the kids, for charlie's kids, for his mom,
01:14:18.254 --> 01:14:21.090
His dad, and i don't know if he had siblings. i assume he
01:14:21.090 --> 01:14:25.061
Probably had siblings, his extended family, and the team
01:14:25.061 --> 01:14:27.430
At turning point usa. who? charlie? i mean, i don't he was
01:14:27.430 --> 01:14:31.968
A force of nature. again, i don't know if or when the man
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Slept. he was around the clock fighting for good. i mean
01:14:36.105 --> 01:14:40.076
Literally around the clock. and that turning point usa usa team
01:14:40.076 --> 01:14:43.847
Is so amazing, shoulder to shoulder with them. he's the
01:14:43.847 --> 01:14:46.983
Founder, the president of turning point usa, of course.
01:14:46.983 --> 01:14:50.019
And i know they're in deep mourning and grieving right now
01:14:50.019 --> 01:14:52.922
More than anyone. so i just encourage our viewers. we have
01:14:52.922 --> 01:14:57.694
Mighty intercessors and prayer warriors here at tbn. i just
01:14:57.694 --> 01:15:01.664
Encourage everyone to be in prayer, pray without ceasing
01:15:01.664 --> 01:15:05.134
For charlie's family. think of that beautiful young wife and
01:15:05.134 --> 01:15:08.137
The little ones three and one year old, please be in prayer.
01:15:08.137 --> 01:15:12.141
Yeah, and that's why we do what we do. we're a community of
01:15:12.141 --> 01:15:15.945
Believers here. it's a family here at tbn. this is why we do
01:15:15.945 --> 01:15:18.948
What we do. this is one of the many great things about our
01:15:18.948 --> 01:15:22.252
Network here at tbn. yes, we're bringing you current events,
01:15:22.252 --> 01:15:24.988
Breaking news like we're doing now, but it's all from an
01:15:24.988 --> 01:15:29.225
Unapologetically biblical perspective. the two together.
01:15:29.225 --> 01:15:33.229
And that's what sets tbn apart. you can get thenews here on
01:15:33.229 --> 01:15:38.201
Tbn and current events, but you'll get it from an
01:15:38.201 --> 01:15:41.437
Unapologetically biblical perspective, and we'll actually
01:15:41.437 --> 01:15:43.540
Pray on air. imagine that. and sheila, if you don't mind, i'd
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Like to do that right now. i would love that. a quick prayer
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As we're talking about it for charlie and his family. father,
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In the mighty name of jesus. lord, we thank you for charlie.
01:15:54.183 --> 01:15:57.220
We thank you for his life, his legacy, all he accomplished for
01:15:57.220 --> 01:16:00.557
You and for the kingdom. and right now, lord, we just lift
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Up his beautiful wife, erica, his two little ones, three and
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One years old. god, we lift them up to you, lord, they're
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In your grip. they're in your hands, god, in this moment of
01:16:11.200 --> 01:16:15.171
Unspeakable grief and tragedy, i can't even imagine what erica
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Is going through right now. how will she explain this one day
01:16:19.075 --> 01:16:22.178
To her kids? they're three. they're one. they're not old
01:16:22.178 --> 01:16:24.581
Enough to even process this. god, give her the words to say.
01:16:24.581 --> 01:16:27.984
Number one, when that day comes. number two, give her and
01:16:27.984 --> 01:16:32.188
Charlie's entire extended family, his friends, the team
01:16:32.188 --> 01:16:34.157
At turning point usa. lord, give them the peace that
01:16:34.157 --> 01:16:38.127
Surpasses all understanding in this moment of turmoil and
01:16:38.127 --> 01:16:42.599
Grief. let them feel your holy spirit. let jesus let them feel
01:16:42.599 --> 01:16:46.803
Your presence right now, your comforting hand upon them. we
01:16:46.803 --> 01:16:51.074
Pray this in your mighty name. and we pray again, god, that
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The the schemes of the enemy will be foiled. ultimately,
01:16:54.644 --> 01:16:58.615
This will galvanize, not discourage and and destroy, but
01:16:58.615 --> 01:17:03.219
Galvanize the movement that charlie built. we pray for
01:17:03.219 --> 01:17:06.089
Generation z, this these young people in generation alpha as
01:17:06.089 --> 01:17:09.092
Well. even younger lord that this revival that the good work
01:17:09.092 --> 01:17:13.062
You have begun in them will be finished. they will finish the
01:17:13.062 --> 01:17:17.233
Race and live out the rest of their days as mighty men and
01:17:17.233 --> 01:17:21.638
Women of god. god, we pray that you enhance and spread this
01:17:21.638 --> 01:17:26.242
Revival like wildfire. and this will just again put charlie's
01:17:26.242 --> 01:17:32.215
Memory. when people think of charlie, they won't think of
01:17:32.215 --> 01:17:35.385
Grief, but they'll think of man, that guy, that guy that the
01:17:35.385 --> 01:17:40.490
Lord raised up. look at what he did. look at all the hearts he
01:17:40.490 --> 01:17:44.327
Brought to jesus. the hearts and minds he changed for truth.
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May his memory be a blessing, lord god, and we pray for our
01:17:48.164 --> 01:17:52.201
Nation right now, father, for healing on this nation. god,
01:17:52.201 --> 01:17:55.071
Heal the land. we have just pure evil running amok. murder,
01:17:55.071 --> 01:18:01.844
Mayhem, chaos, people being assassinated quite literally in
01:18:01.844 --> 01:18:06.416
Cold blood. lord god, we pray for peace in the land. we pray
01:18:06.416 --> 01:18:11.387
For your spirit to rest upon america. and the key lord we
01:18:11.387 --> 01:18:16.092
Know is revival. we pray for a mass turning back to you, god.
01:18:16.092 --> 01:18:21.064
We can have political revival and that's great, lord. but
01:18:21.064 --> 01:18:24.701
Without you, without a nationwide turning to jesus, we
01:18:24.701 --> 01:18:28.871
Won't get very far. let this god again. what the devil meant
01:18:28.871 --> 01:18:33.309
For evil. let this day ultimately let good come out of
01:18:33.309 --> 01:18:36.512
This god. and the main good that comes out of it is a great
01:18:36.512 --> 01:18:40.183
Turning back to you and a great revival. we pray that america's
01:18:40.183 --> 01:18:43.152
Best days lie ahead and we pray in jesus mighty name, amen.
01:18:43.152 --> 01:18:49.092
Amen. eric, thank you so much. if you are just joining us here,
01:18:49.092 --> 01:18:54.063
Tbn family, you're joining us on a sad day. we heard the news
01:18:54.063 --> 01:18:59.268
Today that charlie kirk, the co-founder of turning point usa,
01:18:59.268 --> 01:19:03.206
Who was speaking at utah valley university, doing what he loved
01:19:03.206 --> 01:19:07.510
To do to be there with young people, to challenge them. you
01:19:07.510 --> 01:19:11.247
May have seen some photographs we showed of the tent that
01:19:11.247 --> 01:19:13.983
Charlie would always erect that said, you know, prove me wrong.
01:19:13.983 --> 01:19:17.120
He invited young people to come and debate with him. that was
01:19:17.120 --> 01:19:21.624
Him just a few moments before he was shot, throwing out caps
01:19:21.624 --> 01:19:24.193
To these young people in the audience who came because they
01:19:24.193 --> 01:19:28.231
Knew he was someone who spoke the truth, and he had answered
01:19:28.231 --> 01:19:32.935
One question. the question came up on religion. he had answered
01:19:32.935 --> 01:19:36.038
That question. and then a second question came up about
01:19:36.038 --> 01:19:40.409
Transgender issues. and as charlie went to answer that
01:19:40.409 --> 01:19:43.613
Question, there was a loud pop, and charlie was was shot. and
01:19:43.613 --> 01:19:48.317
It wasn't very long after that that we heard the tragic news
01:19:48.317 --> 01:19:52.221
That charlie kirk had died. he is home with jesus. what we are
01:19:52.221 --> 01:19:58.194
Praying for his wife, for his wife, erica. they have a three
01:19:58.194 --> 01:20:01.264
Year old daughter. they have aa1 year old son. just a
01:20:01.264 --> 01:20:04.000
Precious, beautiful young family. they've only been
01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:07.203
Married for about four years. but. but charlie is now safely
01:20:07.203 --> 01:20:11.574
Home with jesus. but for those left behind, it is so hard. you
01:20:11.574 --> 01:20:15.978
Know, one of the things i love about being part of this tbn
01:20:15.978 --> 01:20:20.550
Family 50 years ago, god dropped a vision into the
01:20:20.550 --> 01:20:25.555
Hearts and minds and spirits of paul and jan crouch to take the
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Good news of the gospel around the world. and they stepped up
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And said yes, even when it looked like, how on earth could
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We do something like this? they stepped up and they said, yes.
01:20:39.068 --> 01:20:42.438
And literally eternity is all that will reveal the millions
01:20:42.438 --> 01:20:47.210
Of people who've come to faith in christ because of the
01:20:47.210 --> 01:20:50.947
Ministry of trinity broadcasting. and now matt and
01:20:50.947 --> 01:20:54.450
Laurie crouch. that is their song that they continue to sing,
01:20:54.450 --> 01:20:59.922
That we will bring the good news of jesus all over the
01:20:59.922 --> 01:21:03.993
World. and sometimes on a day like today, we break into our
01:21:03.993 --> 01:21:09.332
Regular programing to give you an update on something that's
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Happened that is tragic. and yet, because of jesus, we are
01:21:12.001 --> 01:21:19.075
Overcomers. charlie finished his race. he safely home. it
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Says in psalm 139, every single day of my life was written in
01:21:24.180 --> 01:21:30.953
Your book before a single one came to pass. charlie finished
01:21:30.953 --> 01:21:34.390
His race, but now you and i get to continue our race, and so
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Many people from around the nation are responding.
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President trump has said that all flags will be flown at half
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Staff until sunday at 6 p.m. and i believe we have another
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Comment coming in from rfk jr. it says once again, a bullet
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Has silenced the most eloquent truth teller of an era. my dear
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Friend charlie kirk was our country's relentless and
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Courageous crusader for free speech. we pray for erica and
01:22:04.453 --> 01:22:09.692
The children. charlie is already in paradise with the
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Angels. we ask his prayers for our country. indeed, we do pray.
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We're asking god's people around the nation to to join us
01:22:19.902 --> 01:22:24.373
And to pray for for erica, for the children, but also for the
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Whole turning point usa staff, for the legacy that he has left
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With them. that in this time of great grief and there will be
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Great grief for a life that from our understanding, was
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Snuffed out way too early. but god, no matter what you hear on
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The news on any given day, don't forget that god is in
01:22:50.066 --> 01:22:54.503
Control, that god is sovereign, that god is good, that god has
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A plan, that our lives are safely entrusted into his hands.
01:22:59.542 --> 01:23:04.380
I loved eric reminded us a few minutes ago of what happened
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With joseph. we remember that he was a young boy who knew
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That god had called him to great things. he didn't know
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That that would include being sent to prison. and 18 years
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From when he heard the word from god and had that dream, to
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The time when he rose up into the position, and then when the
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Very brothers who had trafficked him into egypt stood
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Before him and realized, this is the brother we sold into
01:23:30.740 --> 01:23:35.144
Slavery, and they were convinced that retribution
01:23:35.144 --> 01:23:39.081
Would be coming their way. but the wisdom that god had
01:23:39.081 --> 01:23:42.985
Instilled in joseph in all those years, he was able to say
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What you intended for evil. god intended for good, for the
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Saving of many lives. you know, i just feel i would love to
01:23:53.162 --> 01:23:59.969
Invite you to join me right now to pray. i mean, there's so
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Much that's going on in the world. we look at the situation
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Of what's happening in in israel. we look at what
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Happened in that bus shooting, which was just tragic. we look
01:24:10.146 --> 01:24:14.016
At what happened in qatar and and the uncertainty there, the
01:24:14.016 --> 01:24:19.321
Ongoing situation in ukraine. i have so many friends in ukraine,
01:24:19.321 --> 01:24:24.093
So many believers. i had the privilege of speaking at a
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Conference there to 12,000 young ukrainian women
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Worshiping jesus together. we are we are a nation who needs
01:24:30.699 --> 01:24:36.038
The lord and we are a world who needs the lord. but let's pray
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Together that in these days, when it seems like the darkest
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Days are happening, that the light of god would shine
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Brightest. will you join me? would you join me in pray for
01:24:47.983 --> 01:24:52.121
What god is doing in this world? because our god is on the move.
01:24:52.121 --> 01:24:57.159
He is the light of the world, and the darkness shall not
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Overcome it. pray with me, father god, i pray right now.
01:25:01.097 --> 01:25:06.836
And first of all, i want to start in the pattern of the
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Prayer that your son jesus taught us to pray. our father,
01:25:09.505 --> 01:25:12.074
Who art in heaven, hallowed be your name. we just begin as a
01:25:12.074 --> 01:25:18.047
Family by acknowledging that you are a good god, that you
01:25:18.047 --> 01:25:21.117
Are magnificent. you are sovereign. you are merciful,
01:25:21.117 --> 01:25:25.054
You are full of grace, and we worship you because you deserve
01:25:25.054 --> 01:25:29.325
Our worship. but we come to you with our requests. we thank you
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For your provision for the way that you have provided for us.
01:25:33.162 --> 01:25:37.933
But lord, we ask for this nation. lord, there are so many
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Voices out there who are angry voices that speak out in anger.
01:25:41.637 --> 01:25:46.542
So many people plotting evil. but lord, our trust is in you.
01:25:46.542 --> 01:25:51.947
Our hope is in you. the psalmist david said, when my
01:25:51.947 --> 01:25:56.018
Heart is overwhelmed, lead me to the rock that is higher than
01:25:56.018 --> 01:26:01.056
I, and that is you. lord jesus, you are our rock. you are a
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Safe place. we pray specifically for the situation
01:26:05.895 --> 01:26:09.899
In ukraine at the moment. lord, so many churches being burned
01:26:09.899 --> 01:26:14.270
Down, pastors being taken out, people living in absolute fear.
01:26:14.270 --> 01:26:20.042
We ask that you would send out your angel armies. lord, you
01:26:20.042 --> 01:26:23.012
Know, we look at the armies gathering around the world. we
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Look at the different forces talking and getting together
01:26:26.315 --> 01:26:29.618
And gathering around the world. but there is an army in heaven
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That is far greater than any army that will ever be brought
01:26:33.122 --> 01:26:37.960
Together on this earth. and so, lord, we ask you as your people,
01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:42.164
To send your angel armies out, to protect your people, to
01:26:42.164 --> 01:26:45.968
Thwart plans. we pray for what's happening in in israel,
01:26:45.968 --> 01:26:50.272
Lord, the heartache and the uncertainty there. we pray for
01:26:50.272 --> 01:26:53.676
The poor, devastated people in gaza who don't know where to
01:26:53.676 --> 01:26:57.613
Turn. lord, it's all too much for us. we don't understand
01:26:57.613 --> 01:27:02.318
Everything. but what we do know is that you are omniscient. you
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Know everything. you're omnipotent, you're all powerful,
01:27:06.622 --> 01:27:10.192
And you are omnipresent. that just as you are here in the
01:27:10.192 --> 01:27:15.231
Studio with me and here with eric, where he is in the studio,
01:27:15.231 --> 01:27:19.034
You are with erica, with charlie kirk's wife and
01:27:19.034 --> 01:27:21.804
Children, and with believers who are worshiping you around
01:27:21.804 --> 01:27:25.507
The world. so, lord, we turn our hearts and our minds and
01:27:25.507 --> 01:27:29.245
Our attention to you. show us, lord jesus, how you want us to
01:27:29.245 --> 01:27:34.116
Stand in these days. help us to speak out boldly, unafraid,
01:27:34.116 --> 01:27:39.288
Because you have secured our eternal destiny and no one can
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Touch that. so we do not lay up our treasures here on earth,
01:27:45.060 --> 01:27:49.064
Where they can be destroyed by moths, moths, and rust. we have
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Laid up our treasure in heaven, and we thank you that no one
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Can touch that. and we pray in the beautiful, powerful,
01:27:57.306 --> 01:28:03.345
Wonderful name of our lord and savior, jesus christ. amen. and.
01:28:03.345 --> 01:28:12.621
For those of you who are our tv family and who have stood with
01:28:12.621 --> 01:28:17.026
Us throughout the years, who stand with matt and laurie as
01:28:17.026 --> 01:28:20.095
And their commitment to get the gospel out, can i just say
01:28:20.095 --> 01:28:23.365
Thank you if and if that's something you used to do?
01:28:23.365 --> 01:28:27.036
Perhaps you used to support tbn and you're like, wow, there's
01:28:27.036 --> 01:28:29.905
Just a lot of stuff going on. i just want you to know, when you
01:28:29.905 --> 01:28:33.442
Determined to partner with us here at tbn, to stand with us
01:28:33.442 --> 01:28:37.179
And to continue, we will faithfully continue to preach
01:28:37.179 --> 01:28:42.318
The gospel. that is our message. that is the scarlet thread that
01:28:42.318 --> 01:28:48.390
Began 50 years ago and came and all the way to this very
01:28:48.390 --> 01:28:53.028
Afternoon. i'm now going to be joined by pastor greg
01:28:53.028 --> 01:28:59.468
Farrington. and pastor, i know that you were a friend of
01:28:59.468 --> 01:29:03.972
Charlie, and so i just want to say, as part of the tbn family,
01:29:03.972 --> 01:29:08.677
We we grieve with you and are praying for charlie's family.
01:29:08.677 --> 01:29:12.981
Thank you for joining us. i'm not getting any audio. oh, i
01:29:12.981 --> 01:29:19.254
Think maybe he doesn't. you can't hear me yet, pastor. i'll
01:29:19.254 --> 01:29:22.958
Continue to talk until you're able to get our audio. but he
01:29:22.958 --> 01:29:27.262
Is the lead pastor of destiny church and a good friend of
01:29:27.262 --> 01:29:31.300
Charlie kirk. and i think we maybe have you now, pastor, can
01:29:31.300 --> 01:29:36.138
You just give us your thoughts of, you know, this is a hard
01:29:36.138 --> 01:29:41.677
Day for you. charlie was your friend. yes. i can hear you.
01:29:41.677 --> 01:29:46.482
Okay, well, you were with us. can you just give us your
01:29:46.482 --> 01:29:49.852
Thoughts on this very hard day? i know that charlie was your
01:29:49.852 --> 01:29:54.189
Friend. oh. incredibly hard. charlie and i were really close
01:29:54.189 --> 01:30:00.329
Friends, and he came into my life in the midst of covid. he
01:30:00.329 --> 01:30:06.101
Came to our church when we were one of the few churches in
01:30:06.101 --> 01:30:10.472
California that opened their doors and defied the governor's
01:30:10.472 --> 01:30:14.676
Orders. charlie sought us out, and he became a great
01:30:14.676 --> 01:30:20.182
Cheerleader. but we then we became friends. and i'm stunned.
01:30:20.182 --> 01:30:24.319
I'm shocked. i can't even believe we're at this point now.
01:30:24.319 --> 01:30:29.691
It's unbelievable to me. so sad. but i just charlie was bigger
01:30:29.691 --> 01:30:36.098
Than life. he was one of those guys that was bigger than life.
01:30:36.098 --> 01:30:39.568
He was in my house. we we had lunch dinners together, watched
01:30:39.568 --> 01:30:43.272
Football together in our church. and so for me, this is a
01:30:43.272 --> 01:30:50.345
Personal loss. it's hard to put it into words exactly how i
01:30:50.345 --> 01:30:55.484
Feel right now because it's so surreal. it's unbelievable to
01:30:55.484 --> 01:30:59.288
Me that charlie's not with us anymore. yeah. beautifully said,
01:30:59.288 --> 01:31:05.194
Pastor, but i have to say that as a family here at tbn,
01:31:05.194 --> 01:31:09.465
Charlie's show would have been coming on in about ten minutes
01:31:09.465 --> 01:31:12.167
Here at tbn. he was very loved, and one of the things that i
01:31:12.167 --> 01:31:17.372
Loved about charlie's life as a mother of a son was the way
01:31:17.372 --> 01:31:20.876
That young people listened to charlie. i mean, he had a way
01:31:20.876 --> 01:31:24.379
Of reaching gen z and inviting their questions. he was he was
01:31:24.379 --> 01:31:30.285
Someone who wasn't afraid to listen. but then he knew
01:31:30.285 --> 01:31:33.922
Exactly what he believed and was able to share that
01:31:33.922 --> 01:31:36.658
Powerfully. you must know that i yeah, unapologetically. he
01:31:36.658 --> 01:31:42.264
Would speak the truth. and when he was in our church services
01:31:42.264 --> 01:31:46.869
Capacity crowds. but i mean, it was all demographics. but the
01:31:46.869 --> 01:31:50.205
Young people, i mean the thousands and thousands of
01:31:50.205 --> 01:31:53.108
Young people that come out to young people that come out to
01:31:53.108 --> 01:31:55.143
Hear because he could speak truth in the midst of insanity
01:31:55.143 --> 01:31:58.213
In the midst of darkness. he's this beacon of light, and he's
01:31:58.213 --> 01:32:02.150
Such a brilliant mind. he was able to bring light in the
01:32:02.150 --> 01:32:06.989
Midst of darkness, and his voice unbelievable. what he did
01:32:06.989 --> 01:32:12.828
At the 2024 election, the getting the young vote out, i
01:32:12.828 --> 01:32:17.933
Don't know. i mean, i sit here and go, who who replaces
01:32:17.933 --> 01:32:22.304
Charlie kirk? i just don't know. but my heart is grieved,
01:32:22.304 --> 01:32:27.776
Unbelievably grieved, because charlie's a personal friend of
01:32:27.776 --> 01:32:31.013
Mine, and he was scheduled to be with us in january. he was
01:32:31.013 --> 01:32:36.285
Going to be with us in sacramento in january. and i
01:32:36.285 --> 01:32:39.922
Can't believe that this great patriot, he loved god. he loved
01:32:39.922 --> 01:32:45.360
The word of god. he knew the word of god, such a bright mind.
01:32:45.360 --> 01:32:49.364
But he loved america. he never backed down. he was probably my
01:32:49.364 --> 01:32:53.468
Biggest cheerleader. in the midst of covid. he would text
01:32:53.468 --> 01:32:57.272
Me all the time. in fact, i got a text message from him just
01:32:57.272 --> 01:33:02.210
Yesterday. text me biggest cheerleader. he stood up. he he
01:33:02.210 --> 01:33:09.017
Applauded our boldness when we defied the governor's orders,
01:33:09.017 --> 01:33:12.854
Came and said, hey, i just want to stand beside you. what an
01:33:12.854 --> 01:33:16.658
Amazing man, 31 years old and he was an amazing man, a
01:33:16.658 --> 01:33:21.697
Patriot for sure. and the younger generation, i. i don't
01:33:21.697 --> 01:33:26.468
Even know how to even quantify that. how do we replace that
01:33:26.468 --> 01:33:30.839
Voice? you know, pastor, it's our prayer that in the midst of
01:33:30.839 --> 01:33:34.443
Out of this tragedy that god will raise up charlie kirk's
01:33:34.443 --> 01:33:39.548
All around the country. he proudly stood beside you
01:33:39.548 --> 01:33:42.517
Because of your bravery and uncompromising position on we
01:33:42.517 --> 01:33:46.288
As the body of christ. but he spoke to so many young people
01:33:46.288 --> 01:33:50.626
And challenged them, but he had a way of doing it with a
01:33:50.626 --> 01:33:55.364
Brilliant mind, but a tender heart as well, that i just want
01:33:55.364 --> 01:33:58.934
You to know as as his tbn family, we are praying for you
01:33:58.934 --> 01:34:02.204
And we're so, so sorry for your loss. charlie. when we were
01:34:02.204 --> 01:34:08.143
With him, he's just he was an ordinary guy. he wasn't like a,
01:34:08.143 --> 01:34:12.280
You know, aloof or anything. no, he would just be in the moment
01:34:12.280 --> 01:34:17.052
And he would talk to anybody. anybody who he's never met a
01:34:17.052 --> 01:34:21.023
Stranger. he he would enter into a conversation with
01:34:21.023 --> 01:34:23.892
Anybody. take time to take pictures with people. on
01:34:23.892 --> 01:34:27.129
Election night, we were texting as we were watching him and was
01:34:27.129 --> 01:34:31.066
One of his greatest nights ever, because he knew how he moved
01:34:31.066 --> 01:34:36.505
America and the young vote to get them out to vote. it
01:34:36.505 --> 01:34:40.108
Changed our election. this man changed 2024. yeah, absolutely.
01:34:40.108 --> 01:34:45.013
Well, pastor, thank you for joining us. we pray for great
01:34:45.013 --> 01:34:49.451
Comfort for you and for all those who are who loved charlie.
01:34:49.451 --> 01:34:52.954
You you knew him in a special way. and eric, one of the
01:34:52.954 --> 01:34:56.258
Things that's clear is that there, charlie had a lot of
01:34:56.258 --> 01:34:59.227
Friends who he's going to leave quite a space in their lives.
01:34:59.227 --> 01:35:04.132
He had eric. he has he had many people who he spoke into their
01:35:04.132 --> 01:35:09.705
Lives. eric. and we just heard from a pastor there who loved
01:35:09.705 --> 01:35:14.009
Him so much and was looking forward to having hosting him
01:35:14.009 --> 01:35:17.446
Again in his church. charlie came and stood with him during
01:35:17.446 --> 01:35:21.216
Covid when all that nonsense was going on. he had a lot of
01:35:21.216 --> 01:35:24.119
Friends and he stood. he wasn't afraid to stand beside people
01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:28.223
Who were standing up for truth. yeah, sheila. so true. and i
01:35:28.223 --> 01:35:34.129
Think you see the realization of that behind me. i'm in dc,
01:35:34.129 --> 01:35:38.033
You see the white house behind me, the flags at half mast.
01:35:38.033 --> 01:35:41.002
Talk about having a lot of friends, sheila, and having a
01:35:41.002 --> 01:35:43.872
Lot of influence, godly influence. you had probably the
01:35:43.872 --> 01:35:47.275
Most powerful friend in america in president trump, who's been
01:35:47.275 --> 01:35:50.912
Posting on social media for the past few hours about the loss
01:35:50.912 --> 01:35:54.983
Of charlie kirk and who ordered again, all of those white house
01:35:54.983 --> 01:35:58.420
Flags. you see it behind me at half mast until 6 p.m. this
01:35:58.420 --> 01:36:02.224
Sunday, and rightfully so, because charlie kirk was a
01:36:02.224 --> 01:36:06.128
Giant, as pastor greg just said, a larger than life figure, 31
01:36:06.128 --> 01:36:10.065
Years old. it's just hard to comprehend all that he
01:36:10.065 --> 01:36:13.034
Accomplished and the friends he leaves behind. of course. erica,
01:36:13.034 --> 01:36:17.172
His wife, is two beautiful young children, but everyone
01:36:17.172 --> 01:36:21.409
Who came across charlie kirk, you never heard someone say,
01:36:21.409 --> 01:36:24.412
Man, that guy's arrogant. that guy's a creep. nothing like
01:36:24.412 --> 01:36:28.283
That. it was nothing but, man, charlie kirk's the real deal.
01:36:28.283 --> 01:36:33.088
What a great guy. he's not doing this for the clicks. he's
01:36:33.088 --> 01:36:38.293
Not doing it for the bells and whistles, for the adulation.
01:36:38.293 --> 01:36:41.229
He's doing it for all the right reasons. and that's why i think
01:36:41.229 --> 01:36:45.066
People were drawn to him. the sincerity, sheila, the
01:36:45.066 --> 01:36:48.603
Genuineness of his heart, of his messaging. he had
01:36:48.603 --> 01:36:52.174
Conviction. he truly believed what he said. this wasn't just
01:36:52.174 --> 01:36:57.512
Rhetoric for the cameras again, to get more followers and to
01:36:57.512 --> 01:37:00.849
Make money. no, charlie was out there literally, as we saw
01:37:00.849 --> 01:37:04.286
Today, putting his life on the line every day because he truly
01:37:04.286 --> 01:37:09.124
Believed in what he was doing. and even more than that, he
01:37:09.124 --> 01:37:12.027
Believed it was a god ordained mission. and that's the key
01:37:12.027 --> 01:37:16.298
Point here. so for sure, sheila, a gaping hole in many, many
01:37:16.298 --> 01:37:21.436
Lives and in this movement that i think, number one, this
01:37:21.436 --> 01:37:25.040
Revival we see stirring in america among young people
01:37:25.040 --> 01:37:28.510
Right now, but on the political sense as well. again, charlie
01:37:28.510 --> 01:37:31.046
Had a foot in both worlds. many friends in the political world,
01:37:31.046 --> 01:37:33.915
Of course, including president trump, the trump family, jd
01:37:33.915 --> 01:37:36.952
Vance, the vice president. but in the spiritual, you just
01:37:36.952 --> 01:37:40.155
Heard pastor greg talk about charlie's faith and the
01:37:40.155 --> 01:37:42.991
Relationship that he had with charlie pastors like jack hibbs,
01:37:42.991 --> 01:37:47.162
A good friend of mine in california, many others who
01:37:47.162 --> 01:37:51.299
Worked with charlie. that was the great thing because, yes,
01:37:51.299 --> 01:37:54.202
He had a political viewpoint and he thought america look
01:37:54.202 --> 01:37:59.908
Would be better as a country to the right, a conservative
01:37:59.908 --> 01:38:03.011
Country, a traditionally minded country, no doubt. but it all
01:38:03.011 --> 01:38:06.081
Came from a spiritual, biblical basis. that's why i was always
01:38:06.081 --> 01:38:10.185
So cool to see charlie, who was seen as a political figure, to
01:38:10.185 --> 01:38:13.889
See him at churches. sheila, he did this on a regular basis. he
01:38:13.889 --> 01:38:17.692
Would appear and speak at churches because he was the
01:38:17.692 --> 01:38:21.029
Best of both worlds. he could talk better than anyone about
01:38:21.029 --> 01:38:24.299
The geopolitical state of things and that whole state of
01:38:24.299 --> 01:38:27.269
Play in the world and in our country from a political sense,
01:38:27.269 --> 01:38:31.773
And about the erosion of our culture. but he did it and
01:38:31.773 --> 01:38:36.144
Could do it from a biblical standpoint and a biblical
01:38:36.144 --> 01:38:39.714
Worldview. this is someone who could talk the latest polls,
01:38:39.714 --> 01:38:43.018
But could also quote scripture in the same breath. he was a
01:38:43.018 --> 01:38:47.122
Very, very special man, truly a very special man. and as you
01:38:47.122 --> 01:38:52.127
Said, sheila, many friends that he leaves behind, but his
01:38:52.127 --> 01:38:55.030
Memory will never be forgotten. this is and i not to beat a
01:38:55.030 --> 01:39:00.035
Dead horse to say it again. but you said it so eloquently
01:39:00.035 --> 01:39:03.405
Earlier, sheila, that the devil overplayed his hand here,
01:39:03.405 --> 01:39:08.109
Because charlie, in death, charlie's stature, i believe,
01:39:08.109 --> 01:39:12.514
Is only going to grow and the movement is only going to grow.
01:39:12.514 --> 01:39:16.184
And you're going to see clip upon, clip upon clip for years
01:39:16.184 --> 01:39:20.255
And years to come on instagram, tiktok, facebook, all social
01:39:20.255 --> 01:39:26.328
Media platforms, charlie kirk's greatest hits. and there were
01:39:26.328 --> 01:39:30.098
Many of them. and the man was eloquent. he was bold. and that
01:39:30.098 --> 01:39:37.005
Memory will be kept alive for all the ills of social media
01:39:37.005 --> 01:39:40.642
Today. the good thing is people like charlie kirk on youtube,
01:39:40.642 --> 01:39:44.346
For instance, people like charlie kirk and the message he
01:39:44.346 --> 01:39:48.283
Brought and the biblical truth he brought. and again, those
01:39:48.283 --> 01:39:51.286
Three f's faith, family and freedom that made this nation
01:39:51.286 --> 01:39:56.124
Great in the first place. that's all going to be alive
01:39:56.124 --> 01:40:00.028
Through social media, through youtube, etc. so charlie's
01:40:00.028 --> 01:40:04.165
Message, charlie's gone. certainly not forgotten. that
01:40:04.165 --> 01:40:07.335
Message is going to live on. and sheila, new generations of
01:40:07.335 --> 01:40:11.906
Kids ten years from now are going to discover charlie kirk
01:40:11.906 --> 01:40:15.076
And say, wow, who is this guy? man, i heard he was incredible.
01:40:15.076 --> 01:40:19.214
I knew people who knew him and who were alive during that time.
01:40:19.214 --> 01:40:22.250
The legend of charlie kirk and president trump said earlier on
01:40:22.250 --> 01:40:26.588
Truth social and on x, he called charlie kirk legendary.
01:40:26.588 --> 01:40:29.991
And that's a that's a mouthful for a 31 year old, of course.
01:40:29.991 --> 01:40:34.095
But he truly did become, i think, 2024, in the election in
01:40:34.095 --> 01:40:37.966
November solidified that status. he did epic things. let's say
01:40:37.966 --> 01:40:43.071
That for a young person absolutely galvanized a
01:40:43.071 --> 01:40:47.642
Generation. and, you know, i'm just looking at my watch. if
01:40:47.642 --> 01:40:51.513
You were just joining us today on tbn, this is when you would
01:40:51.513 --> 01:40:55.283
Normally hear the charlie kirk today show. and yet we had this
01:40:55.283 --> 01:40:59.187
Tragedy happen today. charlie was out speaking in utah, utah
01:40:59.187 --> 01:41:03.124
Valley university, and he was shot and killed. he was he was
01:41:03.124 --> 01:41:08.863
Murdered. and we're still in shock. and so we have been
01:41:08.863 --> 01:41:13.101
Listening to some of charlie's friends hearing some input, but
01:41:13.101 --> 01:41:16.604
We're going to be joined now by one of our dear friends here at,
01:41:16.604 --> 01:41:21.543
At tbn. and that's pastor greg laurie from harvest church. and
01:41:21.543 --> 01:41:25.180
Greg, i just it feels like at the moment, every time you turn
01:41:25.180 --> 01:41:30.151
On the news, there's something else happening that that is
01:41:30.151 --> 01:41:33.388
Just devastating. and an evil seems to be overcoming good.
01:41:33.388 --> 01:41:38.193
But but i would just love to hear your perspective on your
01:41:38.193 --> 01:41:43.131
Wisdom. what's on your heart for us? well, i'm in a state of
01:41:43.131 --> 01:41:48.269
Shock. deep sorrow. yeah. and thinking about charlie and his
01:41:48.269 --> 01:41:54.175
Life, you know, it was corrie ten boom. who you knew, i
01:41:54.175 --> 01:41:58.146
Believe. sheila, great woman of god who once made this
01:41:58.146 --> 01:42:02.050
Statement. a life is not measured by its duration, but
01:42:02.050 --> 01:42:06.721
By its donation. yeah. charlie did not live tragically. he did
01:42:06.721 --> 01:42:11.192
Not, sadly, live a long life. only 31 years. but boy, in
01:42:11.192 --> 01:42:15.897
Those 31 years he sure accomplished a lot. i mean,
01:42:15.897 --> 01:42:19.134
Really, at the age of 18, he started turning point usa. in
01:42:19.134 --> 01:42:23.037
Fact, i just spoke at one of their events only a few weeks
01:42:23.037 --> 01:42:26.074
Ago. and and i said to the pastors who gathered how
01:42:26.074 --> 01:42:30.678
Important i thought charlie's voice was. and as it has been
01:42:30.678 --> 01:42:34.182
Said, he was such a profound voice on political issues, but
01:42:34.182 --> 01:42:38.386
Also on spiritual issues. and i think when you really boil
01:42:38.386 --> 01:42:41.422
Charlie down to who he was, you know, because i've seen him
01:42:41.422 --> 01:42:45.927
Described, you know, there's an article in a news magazine,
01:42:45.927 --> 01:42:49.898
Political activist or right wing activist, you know, these
01:42:49.898 --> 01:42:53.201
Terms that they use. but really, what he was first and foremost,
01:42:53.201 --> 01:42:57.205
He was charlie kirk. christian. yes. and then he was charlie
01:42:57.205 --> 01:43:01.776
Kirk, husband and father. and and when he would do these
01:43:01.776 --> 01:43:06.347
Events on campuses and i watched many videos of them, he
01:43:06.347 --> 01:43:10.318
Was very patient with people. they would insult him to his
01:43:10.318 --> 01:43:13.021
Face and say the most unkind and horrible things to him, and
01:43:13.021 --> 01:43:16.257
He would just take it, even smile. then he would come back
01:43:16.257 --> 01:43:20.562
And respond logically and calmly to the inflamed rhetoric
01:43:20.562 --> 01:43:25.333
That people would, would use against him. and that's
01:43:25.333 --> 01:43:29.837
Probably what drove people crazy, is he was such a
01:43:29.837 --> 01:43:33.141
Clearheaded, logical communicator. and, you know, he
01:43:33.141 --> 01:43:38.179
Was he was a larger than life guy. i met him in miami and
01:43:38.179 --> 01:43:42.150
He's very tall, six foot five and and i'm five, i don't know,
01:43:42.150 --> 01:43:46.988
Five, ten or something. i think i'm shrinking in my older age,
01:43:46.988 --> 01:43:50.225
But we all are. i looked up at this young man and shook his
01:43:50.225 --> 01:43:54.329
Hand and wow. hello. nice to meet you. and i had great
01:43:54.329 --> 01:43:57.031
Admiration for him, but let me just address this as a pastor
01:43:57.031 --> 01:44:00.868
For a moment, because i know that time like this, you know,
01:44:00.868 --> 01:44:05.473
We ask why? why would god allow a young man with so much life
01:44:05.473 --> 01:44:08.176
Ahead of him, with so much promise, with a beautiful young
01:44:08.176 --> 01:44:11.479
Family, two children to die a death in such a horrific death?
01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:15.550
Charlie was assassinated. and. and it's on camera, tragically.
01:44:15.550 --> 01:44:19.587
And you're going to see it on, on, you know, all kinds of
01:44:19.587 --> 01:44:23.858
Feeds everywhere. and i think for a young generation now,
01:44:23.858 --> 01:44:27.295
It's our own version of what we experienced traumatically
01:44:27.295 --> 01:44:31.299
During the jfk assassination. just to have someone a larger
01:44:31.299 --> 01:44:35.069
Than life figure taken from us. but let me just say, you know,
01:44:35.069 --> 01:44:40.241
Charlie is in heaven. i think that's very important to
01:44:40.241 --> 01:44:42.944
Remember. he's in heaven. the moment he took his last breath
01:44:42.944 --> 01:44:46.948
On earth, he took his first breath in heaven. charlie is in
01:44:46.948 --> 01:44:51.252
Total joy and total peace and total bliss. the bible says, on
01:44:51.252 --> 01:44:56.958
God's right hand there are pleasures forevermore. charlie
01:44:56.958 --> 01:45:03.131
Is safe in the arms of jesus. and and he, because he put his
01:45:03.131 --> 01:45:09.003
Faith in christ. and and i mentioned this already, but he
01:45:09.003 --> 01:45:12.740
Spoke boldly about his faith, and and he was very articulate
01:45:12.740 --> 01:45:17.178
About his faith. so he would shift from a topic like friends
01:45:17.178 --> 01:45:21.249
Or family or whatever the topic was. he had answered before he
01:45:21.249 --> 01:45:24.152
Would speak up for jesus christ without any hesitation. and and
01:45:24.152 --> 01:45:30.124
He he's going to be deeply missed. i don't think anyone
01:45:30.124 --> 01:45:34.562
Will take his place, but i think that at a time like this,
01:45:34.562 --> 01:45:38.333
It's hard for us to wrap our minds around it or understand
01:45:38.333 --> 01:45:41.069
Why. so i've always felt when i can't understand why i go to
01:45:41.069 --> 01:45:47.675
What and who. like when our son christopher died as a young man,
01:45:47.675 --> 01:45:54.315
33, you know, there's no answer that satisfied me. for why
01:45:54.315 --> 01:45:58.219
Would god allow this to happen? so i turned to what? what
01:45:58.219 --> 01:46:02.323
Should i do? what i should do is turn to god. and if the
01:46:02.323 --> 01:46:06.361
Greatest tribute you can pay to charlie is carry on that
01:46:06.361 --> 01:46:09.597
Message, be bold for your faith. speak truth to the culture.
01:46:09.597 --> 01:46:13.134
Don't be ashamed. don't be embarrassed. charlie was not
01:46:13.134 --> 01:46:16.504
Ashamed of the gospel of christ. so what do i do? i lean into my
01:46:16.504 --> 01:46:21.209
Faith, the same faith that he had and i also need. we all
01:46:21.209 --> 01:46:25.179
Need to be praying for his family and for his organization,
01:46:25.179 --> 01:46:28.850
Which is quite large. i was told they have as many as a
01:46:28.850 --> 01:46:33.121
Thousand people that are involved with turning point usa.
01:46:33.121 --> 01:46:36.124
It's incredible. so we need to pray for them and their future.
01:46:36.124 --> 01:46:40.061
And then who do we turn to? of course we turn to god. we turn
01:46:40.061 --> 01:46:43.965
To jesus christ, who holds charlie safely in his hands.
01:46:43.965 --> 01:46:47.869
And if we put our faith in jesus, we too will have that
01:46:47.869 --> 01:46:52.874
Hope of heaven. it we wished he had lived a longer life, but he
01:46:52.874 --> 01:46:58.012
He lived. it was. i remember the words of jim elliot, who
01:46:58.012 --> 01:47:02.016
Said, i seek not a long life, but a full one like you, lord
01:47:02.016 --> 01:47:06.854
Jesus. charlie lived a full life. he lived his life well.
01:47:06.854 --> 01:47:11.592
He made a great donation. and i believe now, because of media
01:47:11.592 --> 01:47:14.896
And all that we have of charlie and his many speeches and and
01:47:14.896 --> 01:47:19.200
Things, he said that that his message will actually become
01:47:19.200 --> 01:47:24.238
Stronger and more people around the world will will know his
01:47:24.238 --> 01:47:27.942
Name and hear what he said and in ultimately reach more people
01:47:27.942 --> 01:47:31.979
Than maybe he would have ever reached. but but that doesn't,
01:47:31.979 --> 01:47:36.417
You know, replace this wonderful man and the great
01:47:36.417 --> 01:47:40.288
Loss it is. but we thank god that he lived his life. well,
01:47:40.288 --> 01:47:44.158
Yeah. you know, i was thinking, greg, i watched the footage of
01:47:44.158 --> 01:47:48.029
Harvest crusade, which has been, you know, a passion of yours
01:47:48.029 --> 01:47:51.165
For years. and i've watched that stadium that was
01:47:51.165 --> 01:47:55.503
Absolutely packed with people, young people worshiping god.
01:47:55.503 --> 01:48:00.074
And i have to say, in the days when you hear so much bad news
01:48:00.074 --> 01:48:04.078
And so much terrible things to watch, that was what was that
01:48:04.078 --> 01:48:08.516
Like for you? i mean, it was spectacular just watching it.
01:48:08.516 --> 01:48:11.519
Yeah. well, let me tie it back to charlie a little bit. you
01:48:11.519 --> 01:48:15.056
Know, a lot has been said about the return of gen z to church.
01:48:15.056 --> 01:48:19.060
Charlie had the ear of the younger generation. my own
01:48:19.060 --> 01:48:21.996
Granddaughter, riley. i know all these, you know, people,
01:48:21.996 --> 01:48:26.267
Musicians and others. she wanted to meet charlie kirk.
01:48:26.267 --> 01:48:30.171
Papa, were you introduced me to charlie kirk, she said. and so
01:48:30.171 --> 01:48:33.574
He was impacting the younger generation who get their news
01:48:33.574 --> 01:48:37.111
Primarily from tiktok, you know. and so. and he was all over
01:48:37.111 --> 01:48:42.149
Tiktok and and so i think that this resurgence of young people
01:48:42.149 --> 01:48:46.387
Coming back to church, i think charlie played a role in that.
01:48:46.387 --> 01:48:49.123
And yes, i do believe this younger generation, younger
01:48:49.123 --> 01:48:52.226
Generation is hungry for truth and they want someone to give
01:48:52.226 --> 01:48:55.229
It to them straight. charlie did that, and we need to do
01:48:55.229 --> 01:48:58.099
That because they're looking for answers. they feel in many
01:48:58.099 --> 01:49:01.202
Ways, so many kids today have not been parented. you know,
01:49:01.202 --> 01:49:04.505
That their their parents want to be their best friends
01:49:04.505 --> 01:49:06.974
Instead of mom and dad and give them the absolutes that they
01:49:06.974 --> 01:49:11.312
Need. charlie, of course, was a big advocate for the family,
01:49:11.312 --> 01:49:14.048
For getting married, for having children, raising your children
01:49:14.048 --> 01:49:18.085
In the way of the lord. but i do believe, sheila, that there
01:49:18.085 --> 01:49:21.355
Is a great hunger and and at our crusade this year, you know,
01:49:21.355 --> 01:49:25.326
It was packed and, you know, the fire marshal locked the
01:49:25.326 --> 01:49:29.196
Doors, but something that's never happened before. they
01:49:29.196 --> 01:49:31.098
Locked the doors, in effect, to the invitation, because
01:49:31.098 --> 01:49:36.070
Normally, on a very good crusade night, we'll have 10%
01:49:36.070 --> 01:49:39.974
Of the crowd come forward to make a public profession of
01:49:39.974 --> 01:49:42.977
Faith, to follow christ. so if you have 45,000 people, which
01:49:42.977 --> 01:49:46.847
We had, that would be 4500 people this year, we had 5500
01:49:46.847 --> 01:49:51.452
People. a thousand extra people came forward, and most of them
01:49:51.452 --> 01:49:56.257
Were young. so i do believe young people are looking for
01:49:56.257 --> 01:50:00.194
Truth and they're looking for god. i mean, in a time when
01:50:00.194 --> 01:50:04.098
People are literally looking to ai for companionship, you know,
01:50:04.098 --> 01:50:07.101
I think what they're really looking for deep down inside is
01:50:07.101 --> 01:50:10.905
A relationship with god. pastor, i'm just thinking of people
01:50:10.905 --> 01:50:14.875
Just kind of watching, flipping through channels. and they stop
01:50:14.875 --> 01:50:17.278
Here and they pause and they see the photos of charlie and
01:50:17.278 --> 01:50:20.514
Picking up some some news and things. i'm just wondering,
01:50:20.514 --> 01:50:23.351
Would you speak a word to those who are not very sure about
01:50:23.351 --> 01:50:26.320
Their faith and honestly feel like, well, if if charlie kirk
01:50:26.320 --> 01:50:29.924
Was serving god and he got shot, you know, i wouldn't. what on
01:50:29.924 --> 01:50:32.893
Earth is going on? these are not days to to pull back. i
01:50:32.893 --> 01:50:37.765
Would love if you'd speak to that. well, you know, look,
01:50:37.765 --> 01:50:40.434
It's a privilege to serve the lord and those of us that are
01:50:40.434 --> 01:50:45.740
Involved serving god publicly, we all have threats on our
01:50:45.740 --> 01:50:48.709
Lives. and and tragically, this threat was followed through on.
01:50:48.709 --> 01:50:53.180
And charlie was assassinated. and it's still hard for me to
01:50:53.180 --> 01:50:56.984
Even believe this happened, quite frankly. but none of us
01:50:56.984 --> 01:51:00.921
Have a guarantee that we will live long lives. so we need to
01:51:00.921 --> 01:51:04.925
Live every day for god's glory. you know we're placed on this
01:51:04.925 --> 01:51:09.163
Earth, sheila, not to chase after happiness or fulfillment
01:51:09.163 --> 01:51:12.333
Or placed on this earth, in effect, to chase after god, to
01:51:12.333 --> 01:51:16.137
Know god, and to bring glory to his name. and and you know, it
01:51:16.137 --> 01:51:20.941
Doesn't mean that tragedy cannot befall us. a james, the
01:51:20.941 --> 01:51:25.079
Brother of john, was beheaded by herod. stephen, a courageous
01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:28.516
Young man. i sort of think of stephen when i think of charlie,
01:51:28.516 --> 01:51:32.086
Because stephen was a young man who boldly proclaimed his faith,
01:51:32.086 --> 01:51:35.389
And he was the first martyr of the church. and stephen, as he
01:51:35.389 --> 01:51:39.226
Was being martyred, said, they say the bible says his face
01:51:39.226 --> 01:51:44.165
Shone like it, shined like an angel, shone like an angel. and
01:51:44.165 --> 01:51:47.435
Then he says, i see jesus standing at the right hand of
01:51:47.435 --> 01:51:51.105
God. and, you know, it's interesting because usually
01:51:51.105 --> 01:51:53.874
When we think of a read of jesus in heaven, he's sitting
01:51:53.874 --> 01:51:57.178
At the right hand of the father. but in the case of stephen, the
01:51:57.178 --> 01:52:00.247
First martyr of the church, he was standing. so stephen died.
01:52:00.247 --> 01:52:04.351
But it says of him, he fell asleep. that's an interesting
01:52:04.351 --> 01:52:07.555
Phrase, because it's only used to describe death. for the
01:52:07.555 --> 01:52:11.192
Christian, though, this was a tragic death of charlie, he
01:52:11.192 --> 01:52:15.863
Fell asleep in the sense that he safely in the arms of the
01:52:15.863 --> 01:52:19.200
Lord now. and and if we have faith in christ, we can we'll
01:52:19.200 --> 01:52:24.772
See charlie again. and we have this hope, and i think we
01:52:24.772 --> 01:52:28.242
Should carry on his legacy, you know, pick up that baton that
01:52:28.242 --> 01:52:32.379
He carried for his generation and carry it on to our
01:52:32.379 --> 01:52:36.083
Generation. and don't be ashamed of the gospel of christ,
01:52:36.083 --> 01:52:39.854
For it is the power of god unto salvation to everyone who
01:52:39.854 --> 01:52:42.990
Believes. and don't be embarrassed to tell the truth
01:52:42.990 --> 01:52:46.160
To people, and and pray for our nation, because we have.
01:52:46.160 --> 01:52:49.063
There's a lot of violent rhetoric even in the aftermath
01:52:49.063 --> 01:52:52.399
Of this tragedy. you see this ramped up violent, violent
01:52:52.399 --> 01:52:55.636
Rhetoric. and we need to pray for common our nation and and
01:52:55.636 --> 01:53:00.174
We need, you know, what we need? we need another spiritual
01:53:00.174 --> 01:53:04.111
Awakening. amen. and i think back and, you know, during the
01:53:04.111 --> 01:53:07.715
Horrible assassination of president kennedy and then
01:53:07.715 --> 01:53:11.952
Martin luther king was killed, and then rfk was killed on the
01:53:11.952 --> 01:53:17.124
Aftermath of that, a spiritual awakening broke out in america.
01:53:17.124 --> 01:53:20.928
And i think we're long overdue for another spiritual awakening.
01:53:20.928 --> 01:53:24.865
And i know charlie talked about this, too, and i pray that god
01:53:24.865 --> 01:53:28.869
Will use his life to inspire a whole generation of young
01:53:28.869 --> 01:53:33.140
People to do what he did and pick up this baton, if you will,
01:53:33.140 --> 01:53:38.345
And carry this torch. he was a real patriot, you know, a very
01:53:38.345 --> 01:53:43.184
Patriotic american. but again, i want to loop back to what i
01:53:43.184 --> 01:53:46.887
Think was even greater than being a patriot. as wonderful
01:53:46.887 --> 01:53:49.390
And important as that is, is that he was first and foremost
01:53:49.390 --> 01:53:52.726
A christian, and he was a man of god. and that's what
01:53:52.726 --> 01:53:56.030
Motivated him. and he now is being rewarded by his father,
01:53:56.030 --> 01:54:00.201
Who i'm sure is possibly already said to him, well done,
01:54:00.201 --> 01:54:04.271
Good and faithful servant. enter into the joy of your lord.
01:54:04.271 --> 01:54:08.209
You know, it's so interesting, greg, just as you and i are
01:54:08.209 --> 01:54:12.179
Talking here right now, you're in california. i'm here in
01:54:12.179 --> 01:54:15.049
Texas. this is when charlie's show would have been on. he was
01:54:15.049 --> 01:54:19.653
On 530 tbn every day. charlie kirk today, and i hear your cry
01:54:19.653 --> 01:54:26.160
For us to pick up that baton. and i just want to ask you,
01:54:26.160 --> 01:54:30.197
Would you pray for us? would you pray that we would listen
01:54:30.197 --> 01:54:33.234
And hear the voice of god in these days? yes, father. we
01:54:33.234 --> 01:54:36.971
Pray first and foremost for charlie's family. i pray for
01:54:36.971 --> 01:54:41.141
His wife, erica, for his two children who are so young they
01:54:41.141 --> 01:54:46.280
Won't fully understand what has happened and why their daddy is
01:54:46.280 --> 01:54:49.683
Not coming home tonight. but lord, i pray that you, the god
01:54:49.683 --> 01:54:53.654
Of all comfort, will extend your hand to erica. and as she
01:54:53.654 --> 01:54:57.892
Grieves this unimaginable loss as only you can comfort. the
01:54:57.892 --> 01:55:02.263
Bible says you're near to the brokenhearted. i pray, lord,
01:55:02.263 --> 01:55:06.033
For our nation. lord, how we need to turn to you right now.
01:55:06.033 --> 01:55:11.472
How we need a spiritual awakening. and i pray that a
01:55:11.472 --> 01:55:15.109
Great revival will break out. we thank you for the life and
01:55:15.109 --> 01:55:18.178
Legacy of this young man, charlie kirk, and we thank you
01:55:18.178 --> 01:55:22.349
That his his ministry will live on his effect and his influence
01:55:22.349 --> 01:55:26.954
Will live on. but how we need you, lord. and one day life
01:55:26.954 --> 01:55:31.959
Will end for all of us, and we have no guarantee that we'll
01:55:31.959 --> 01:55:34.962
Live long lives. so let us live full lives, and let us live
01:55:34.962 --> 01:55:39.166
Godly lives, and let us live lives that honor you, because
01:55:39.166 --> 01:55:42.236
We never know when that moment will come, when we will take
01:55:42.236 --> 01:55:45.139
Our last breath on earth and take our next one in heaven. so
01:55:45.139 --> 01:55:49.009
We commit ourselves. we commit our nation to you. now, in
01:55:49.009 --> 01:55:54.081
Jesus name we pray. amen. amen. thank you so much for joining
01:55:54.081 --> 01:55:59.053
Us, greg. we have a beautiful photo there of charlie and his
01:55:59.053 --> 01:56:03.023
Darling wife. they'd only been married about four years. and
01:56:03.023 --> 01:56:08.028
Yeah, it's oh, there's two darling little children, three
01:56:08.028 --> 01:56:13.500
Year old daughter and a one year old son. unspeakable loss.
01:56:13.500 --> 01:56:19.840
But we are praying that the god of all comfort will be with
01:56:19.840 --> 01:56:24.011
Erica and her extended family and the turning point usa
01:56:24.011 --> 01:56:28.215
Family as they gather around one another. but thank you for
01:56:28.215 --> 01:56:32.319
Your prayer, greg. we appreciate you so much. thank
01:56:32.319 --> 01:56:36.123
You barry. happy to do it. yeah. god bless. thank you. i'm going
01:56:36.123 --> 01:56:40.861
To be joined now by graham allen, host of dear america.
01:56:40.861 --> 01:56:44.698
He's a combat veteran and a former contributor to turning
01:56:44.698 --> 01:56:48.035
Point usa. and graham i just i would welcome your your
01:56:48.035 --> 01:56:53.040
Thoughts your comments. i can't imagine how hard this must be
01:56:53.040 --> 01:56:57.077
For you today. i think most of us are still really just in
01:56:57.077 --> 01:57:02.549
Shock. yeah, i agree, i think, i think many of us are just
01:57:02.549 --> 01:57:06.387
Processing and this is definitely not the way that i
01:57:06.387 --> 01:57:10.524
Wanted to introduce myself to the tbn audience. i, of course,
01:57:10.524 --> 01:57:14.962
Have loved everything that you guys have done for so many
01:57:14.962 --> 01:57:19.199
Years, and i loved turning into charlie show. and charlie have
01:57:19.199 --> 01:57:23.971
Been friends for well over a decade, so i wish, i wish that
01:57:23.971 --> 01:57:28.509
We were having these conversations under different
01:57:28.509 --> 01:57:31.311
Circumstances. i wish we were having them under different
01:57:31.311 --> 01:57:35.215
Circumstances than what we have. but my thoughts on charlie are
01:57:35.215 --> 01:57:39.319
Simply this just as his stature, as everyone has said he was. he
01:57:39.319 --> 01:57:45.459
Was a gigantic man. his his soul and his personality was
01:57:45.459 --> 01:57:51.532
Even bigger. i, i have a unique relationship with charlie. i've
01:57:51.532 --> 01:57:55.002
Always worked alongside turning point, never, never, never
01:57:55.002 --> 01:58:01.041
Employed by turning point. but we always joined forces, me and
01:58:01.041 --> 01:58:04.378
Charlie, always all the time. we we were we were nine times
01:58:04.378 --> 01:58:07.848
Out of ten on the exact same wavelength, the exact same path,
01:58:07.848 --> 01:58:11.885
The exact same mission, the exact same focus. yeah. i'm not
01:58:11.885 --> 01:58:16.223
Near the savant and as smart as charlie was, but i was, i was i
01:58:16.223 --> 01:58:20.994
Was bold in what i believed and what i stood for. only in
01:58:20.994 --> 01:58:26.934
Comparison to president trump and charlie kirk, in my opinion,
01:58:26.934 --> 01:58:31.071
In those regards good company. and, and and i remember so many
01:58:31.071 --> 01:58:37.010
Days i remember so many of the early days, you see images of
01:58:37.010 --> 01:58:41.081
Us there when we, you know, i wasn't a baby, but charlie was
01:58:41.081 --> 01:58:45.152
And and i remember riding around in when turning point
01:58:45.152 --> 01:58:50.057
Usa just started and they had this company vehicle and it was
01:58:50.057 --> 01:58:53.861
This little ford hybrid two door just getting started. the
01:58:53.861 --> 01:58:57.998
Windows weren't even electric. we had to roll them up and
01:58:57.998 --> 01:59:01.268
Everything. and i remember just driving around the desert in
01:59:01.268 --> 01:59:04.037
Arizona, having conversations with charlie kirk about, hey,
01:59:04.037 --> 01:59:07.040
Where do we see all of this stuff going? like, what is the
01:59:07.040 --> 01:59:12.012
Reason that we're doing all of this? there you go. there's
01:59:12.012 --> 01:59:15.449
Another image of of us and our wives and and there you go
01:59:15.449 --> 01:59:19.119
Again. in the early days of going to the campuses, having
01:59:19.119 --> 01:59:24.458
These debates. and i'll never forget charlie saying to me
01:59:24.458 --> 01:59:28.262
Like, hey, we're going to do this different. i said, what do
01:59:28.262 --> 01:59:31.098
You mean by different? he's like, we're only going to talk
01:59:31.098 --> 01:59:33.934
To the people who disagree with us. we're only going to talk to
01:59:33.934 --> 01:59:37.237
The people, and we're only going to let the people ask us
01:59:37.237 --> 01:59:41.141
Questions that don't want us here and here. here's here's a
01:59:41.141 --> 01:59:44.578
Story that i want to tell in my my, my beautiful wife is here
01:59:44.578 --> 01:59:48.148
In the studio with me. and she said, you have to tell this
01:59:48.148 --> 01:59:51.418
Story. and this is just the stuff that people will never
01:59:51.418 --> 01:59:54.321
Know unless they were there. but this is charlie kirk and
01:59:54.321 --> 01:59:57.224
This is erica kirk. this was before they were married. i
01:59:57.224 --> 02:00:00.994
Believe they were engaged at the time. we were doing a a
02:00:00.994 --> 02:00:04.932
Campus event at the university of florida. and this particular
02:00:04.932 --> 02:00:09.102
Event, there was just something about it that just felt extra
02:00:09.102 --> 02:00:14.575
Heavy. charlie knew and erica knew, just as we did from the
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Very get go, that this was a spiritual battle that we were
02:00:18.445 --> 02:00:21.381
Fighting for our country. this is a spiritual battle that we
02:00:21.381 --> 02:00:24.251
Were fighting on these campuses for our youth. and i'll never
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Forget, we were all in the back and like this, this, it's not a
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Dressing room because it's a college is a college campus.
02:00:31.258 --> 02:00:34.061
But it was it was in the back. and and erica and charlie just
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Looked and said, you know what we need to do? we need to pray
02:00:37.331 --> 02:00:40.934
Before we go out there. we need to pray. and i remember vividly
02:00:40.934 --> 02:00:44.504
Holding hands with my wife and erica and charlie and and just
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And there was a few other people there, but just praying,
02:00:48.308 --> 02:00:52.112
Lord, we feel we feel that the enemy is against us here and we
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Feel this going on. but, lord, we're here right now and you
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Have us here for a reason. so, lord, let our words not be our
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Words. let them be yours. and i'll never forget that night. i,
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You know, of all the times that i've had with charlie kirk and
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And working alongside turning point usa, all the amazing
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Events and everything, i will i will always think back to this
02:01:17.371 --> 02:01:24.411
Guy named charlie riding around with him in arizona desert in
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This, in this busted vehicle, talking about how we can save
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This country. and i will always remember that before they were
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A nationwide phenomenon that they were or that they became.
02:01:36.923 --> 02:01:41.061
I'll never forget being at the university of florida with
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Charlie kirk and his and his wife or his fiancee at the time,
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His wife erica, and just being in the back. and the first
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Thing we did was pray over the words that were going to come
02:01:52.639 --> 02:01:56.109
Out of our mouth. and i think that's something that a lot of
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People don't realize. charlie was a savant and he was smarter.
02:01:59.112 --> 02:02:02.549
He was the smartest guy in the room, no question. but he
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Always put what he was going to say before the lord first. and
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He always prayed, lord, let let what i'm going to say not be
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What charlie kirk thinks. let it be what you need your people
02:02:14.094 --> 02:02:18.231
To hear. wow. and, and and i don't think that that gets
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Talked about enough. everybody talks about, you know, charlie
02:02:22.235 --> 02:02:26.239
And and how he would win these debates and you know, and the
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Kids on tiktok would edit it and make it these these big
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Videos and all of this. but but but at the root of it all,
02:02:32.946 --> 02:02:37.117
Charlie kirk, that was charlie, but it was charlie that god was
02:02:37.117 --> 02:02:41.521
Using in those moments because he dedicated every single one
02:02:41.521 --> 02:02:45.292
Of those moments to the lord. wow. every single one of them.
02:02:45.292 --> 02:02:49.162
He dedicated every time before he got behind the microphone or
02:02:49.162 --> 02:02:54.101
In front of the camera, which was a lot. every single time.
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He always prayed. he always said, lord, give me the words.
02:02:58.138 --> 02:03:03.076
Let it not be what i let. let it not be my words. let it be
02:03:03.076 --> 02:03:07.447
Your words through me for you. and and you know, that was
02:03:07.447 --> 02:03:11.051
Charlie kirk, that that above everything else, that was
02:03:11.051 --> 02:03:14.054
Charlie kirk. wow. and, you know, i'm older than charlie.
02:03:14.054 --> 02:03:18.458
And i found myself not just literally, but always looking
02:03:18.458 --> 02:03:22.562
Up to charlie because charlie was doing things that it felt
02:03:22.562 --> 02:03:28.335
Supernatural, what he was doing, the the amount of or lack of
02:03:28.335 --> 02:03:33.006
Sleep that he got to do, the things that he did, and he
02:03:33.006 --> 02:03:36.343
Would be in one country one day, and then he would be here at
02:03:36.343 --> 02:03:40.814
This speaking event. and then somehow, simultaneously, he was
02:03:40.814 --> 02:03:42.382
Filming a podcast at the exact same time. it was supernatural,
02:03:42.382 --> 02:03:46.887
What he was doing. and i believe it's because god had
02:03:46.887 --> 02:03:50.157
His hand on charlie kirk. it was god was doing this massive
02:03:50.157 --> 02:03:54.928
Movement from charlie kirk. my wife just shared with me before
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We got on here that my son, one of the first people that my son
02:03:58.832 --> 02:04:04.271
Follows or followed was charlie kirk. wow. and and, you know, i
02:04:04.271 --> 02:04:09.976
Do this for a living, and i'm, i was cool because i knew
02:04:09.976 --> 02:04:13.079
Charlie kirk, you know, and and and but but that's something
02:04:13.079 --> 02:04:17.350
That charlie did. charlie was making so many strides. charlie
02:04:17.350 --> 02:04:24.191
Was was awakening something within our youth that i do. you
02:04:24.191 --> 02:04:31.264
See all the stats about young men specifically flocking back
02:04:31.264 --> 02:04:35.235
To the church. and, and i don't think that you can have that
02:04:35.235 --> 02:04:39.105
Conversation without, of course, god above, but without vessels
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Like charlie kirk leading the charge in that regard, i don't
02:04:43.443 --> 02:04:48.114
I don't think we win the 2024 election if not for charlie
02:04:48.114 --> 02:04:52.285
Kirk and turning point usa, 31 years old, it's hard to believe
02:04:52.285 --> 02:04:58.225
That he was only 31 years old, and everything that he
02:04:58.225 --> 02:05:02.128
Accomplished in that time frame, and i just, i just wanted to
02:05:02.128 --> 02:05:07.133
Take this opportunity to just share a little bit of charlie
02:05:07.133 --> 02:05:10.637
The man instead of charlie, the figure that everybody knows.
02:05:10.637 --> 02:05:15.408
Charlie the man was someone who cared deeply about this country,
02:05:15.408 --> 02:05:20.447
Who cared deeply about specifically. think about
02:05:20.447 --> 02:05:24.451
Turning point usa and the whole reason for the existence,
02:05:24.451 --> 02:05:27.988
Specifically about the young people in our generation.
02:05:27.988 --> 02:05:32.292
Charlie saw something that i do believe was of divine reasoning.
02:05:32.292 --> 02:05:36.997
He saw that that we must encounter and we must engage
02:05:36.997 --> 02:05:43.703
The youth in our country. he saw that when nobody else,
02:05:43.703 --> 02:05:48.341
Nobody else thought that it was worth anything. 18 year olds
02:05:48.341 --> 02:05:51.711
Weren't voting ten years ago. they just weren't. and charlie
02:05:51.711 --> 02:05:55.115
Kirk saw something, and he went after it. when nobody else
02:05:55.115 --> 02:06:00.020
Understood it, when nobody else got it. and then once he
02:06:00.020 --> 02:06:03.256
Started gaining traction, he committed suicide by saying,
02:06:03.256 --> 02:06:07.093
You know what? now that we're here, let's talk about the most
02:06:07.093 --> 02:06:11.298
Important thing. wow. and that's jesus christ. let's do
02:06:11.298 --> 02:06:14.100
That. let's make a shift. let's make a shift. and then he
02:06:14.100 --> 02:06:17.170
Created turning point faith. and then he started all the
02:06:17.170 --> 02:06:20.907
Church tours. and it charlie kirk, charlie kirk, i believe
02:06:20.907 --> 02:06:25.979
Charlie kirk was made a martyr today. i do believe that i do,
02:06:25.979 --> 02:06:30.050
I do, and i believe charlie kirk was a martyr for the faith
02:06:30.050 --> 02:06:33.954
Today, and i believe that he is with our heavenly father right
02:06:33.954 --> 02:06:37.924
Now. and i do believe i heard pastor greg say it. i believe
02:06:37.924 --> 02:06:41.328
That he has already heard the words that we all pray and hope
02:06:41.328 --> 02:06:46.333
That we hear as well done. my good and faithful servant. i do
02:06:46.333 --> 02:06:50.203
Believe that charlie kirk ran his race well. i believe none
02:06:50.203 --> 02:06:56.242
Of us know how long we have. none of us. none of us know. no
02:06:56.242 --> 02:07:01.948
One knows the hour. none of us. none of us know. but charlie
02:07:01.948 --> 02:07:06.319
Left everything on the field. charlie lived every day as if
02:07:06.319 --> 02:07:12.125
It may be his last one. that's how he lived every day. wow,
02:07:12.125 --> 02:07:18.465
Wow. and you know, things are going to come out. more things
02:07:18.465 --> 02:07:22.602
Are going to come. yeah. we don't know who did this yet. we
02:07:22.602 --> 02:07:27.107
Don't know. we don't know who this person was. i believe they
02:07:27.107 --> 02:07:31.878
Have the in custody though. is that correct? well, actually
02:07:31.878 --> 02:07:36.916
I've heard i've heard that the person that they initially have
02:07:36.916 --> 02:07:40.186
Is no longer considered the suspect. and so they are they
02:07:40.186 --> 02:07:43.323
Are actively still looking for wow. the, the the actual
02:07:43.323 --> 02:07:47.994
Suspect that that older gentleman that i believe you're
02:07:47.994 --> 02:07:51.331
Referring to from all the sources that i have, they have
02:07:51.331 --> 02:07:54.334
Since moved on from him that that that it was not him. and
02:07:54.334 --> 02:07:57.904
There is footage circling around online of someone on top
02:07:57.904 --> 02:08:02.509
Of a building and. wow, we don't know who that person is
02:08:02.509 --> 02:08:07.981
Yet. wow. and more is going to come out and all of these
02:08:07.981 --> 02:08:12.152
Things, and there's going to be a time, there's going to be a
02:08:12.152 --> 02:08:15.488
Time for righteous anger. there is. there's going to be a time
02:08:15.488 --> 02:08:18.091
For that. but, but, but but right now, yeah, i'm choosing
02:08:18.091 --> 02:08:22.228
To honor my friend and i'm choosing to to talk about
02:08:22.228 --> 02:08:27.500
Charlie in a slightly different way, to talk about charlie as
02:08:27.500 --> 02:08:31.471
Charlie, not as charlie kirk. when you get famous, everybody
02:08:31.471 --> 02:08:36.476
Tends to want to say your whole name all the time. no, he he
02:08:36.476 --> 02:08:41.047
Wasn't just charlie kirk. he was charlie. yeah, he was a he
02:08:41.047 --> 02:08:45.218
Was a christian. he was a husband. he was a father. and
02:08:45.218 --> 02:08:49.022
Above anything else, he loved those things in that order most
02:08:49.022 --> 02:08:53.193
Of all. yeah. i hope you can stay with us, graham. but thank
02:08:53.193 --> 02:08:57.030
Your wife from us for encouraging to share those
02:08:57.030 --> 02:09:00.700
Stories about charlie. those are priceless. those are the
02:09:00.700 --> 02:09:03.636
Kind of stories that we just love to hear. and one of
02:09:03.636 --> 02:09:06.973
Charlie's great gifts was as an apologist. and i'm going to be
02:09:06.973 --> 02:09:09.909
Joined now by a very dear friend of mine, one of the
02:09:09.909 --> 02:09:13.079
Chief apologists in the universe at the moment, doctor
02:09:13.079 --> 02:09:15.148
Jeremiah johnson. jeremy, talk to us about what's on your
02:09:15.148 --> 02:09:20.019
Heart and mind as you receive this devastating news today.
02:09:20.019 --> 02:09:26.426
Well, thank you for having me, sheila. charlie and i were
02:09:26.426 --> 02:09:31.064
Texting on sunday night about him being a surprise guest for
02:09:31.064 --> 02:09:35.001
Our upcoming event here at prestonwood, and i'm just
02:09:35.001 --> 02:09:37.270
Reflecting on the fact that life is a vapor. we don't know
02:09:37.270 --> 02:09:41.508
What a day will bring forth. and in moments like this, the
02:09:41.508 --> 02:09:45.445
Body of christ, we need to hear the only words that matter. and
02:09:45.445 --> 02:09:49.449
Those are the words of god that bring us hope. when i think
02:09:49.449 --> 02:09:53.453
About the fact now that charlie is with jesus christ, the first
02:09:53.453 --> 02:09:57.123
Passage that comes to my mind is psalms that says, precious
02:09:57.123 --> 02:10:02.061
In the eyes of the lord. the very eyes of the lord are the
02:10:02.061 --> 02:10:05.865
Death of his saints. and charlie died loving jesus
02:10:05.865 --> 02:10:09.936
Christ. and we can say that even though it hurts really bad
02:10:09.936 --> 02:10:12.906
Right now, that second corinthians five eight says
02:10:12.906 --> 02:10:16.409
That to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord
02:10:16.409 --> 02:10:21.114
And face to face communication. so we know that charlie is not
02:10:21.114 --> 02:10:25.018
Struggling anymore. we know that charlie is not hurting
02:10:25.018 --> 02:10:27.086
Anymore. we know that he's not in pain anymore. we know that
02:10:27.086 --> 02:10:32.258
He is experiencing the fullness of joy and the presence that
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Only jesus can bring. at the same time, i'm really hurting
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Sheila. i'm having all the emotions that are normal to
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Have when evil happens around us, and it makes us angry as
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The body of christ, a righteous anger that we live in a world
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That is fallen. that doesn't make sense, that we can have
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All the answers cerebrally and in our mind. and yet at the
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Same time we say, lord, will you help? will you not rend the
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Heaven and hear us, god? and i? the only thing i can do at
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These moments is not trust what i'm feeling, but trust what i
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Believe, sheila. and that god is a very present help in this
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Time of trouble. as charlie's amazing wife tweeted. and to
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Think that habakkuk asked god for explanations, habakkuk saw
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The destruction of israel. and yet god said, you have to trust
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Me even though there's no food in the barn, even though
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There's no cattle on the hills. you have to trust me. and so my
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Faith in scripture reminds me in a tragic moment like this,
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That explanations will not suffice. we could know all the
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Ins and outs of the evildoer, the satanic person who did this,
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And it still wouldn't bring help. we could try to have all
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Of our questions answered. and yet, sheila, ultimately, we
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Will not live by those questions tonight. when we try
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To go to sleep, we will live on one thing and one thing only
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The promises of almighty god that he is faithful, that he's
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In charge, and that he gives hope. a hope that when life
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Doesn't make sense, he is still faithful. and that is what i
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Choose to focus on. i choose to not trust my feelings. i choose
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To trust what i believe. and so that's my encouragement to all
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Those of you who like me. you may be stunned. you may be
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Heartbroken. that's all normal. i want to validate that in
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Second corinthians chapter one, paul said to the corinthians, i
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Don't want you to be unaware of the troubles i have faced. i
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Have the passage in front of me. he literally said, i have the
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Sentence of death within me. i don't want to even go on living.
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And yet paul says, if i look behind me, jesus, i know he
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Delivered me at another time. i know he'll deliver me in the
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Future, and i know he's delivering me now. and so i say
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With believers who right now are heartbroken, as we all are,
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We have to look to the one who conquered sin and conquered
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Satan and conquered death, the resurrected king, our messiah,
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Sheila. and that's what i'm choosing to do. choosing not to
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Listen to my feelings. choosing to follow what i know to be
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True. what i know. god's word promises that he is a very
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Present help in this time of need. and i want to say with
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Paul, i trust him no matter what i want to say with job,
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Even if the lord slay us all, yet will we trust in him. this
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Is a time to that. i think very practically i when i receive
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The news today, i was with five really close brothers in christ,
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And i found myself just thankful that i was with the
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Body of christ. and i'm thankful for tbn airing right
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Now, because it's not a time to turn off the tv. tbn. it's not
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A time to be isolated. it's a time to be reminded of the
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Great truths and the hope that we have in scripture, that we
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Can talk about charlie and the present tense right now because
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He's alive, he's with jesus, and we can see him again today.
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We know that because of the power of jesus's physical,
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Bodily resurrection. that's why paul said in first corinthians
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Four, we grieve with all this evil, but we do not grieve as
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Those without hope. beautifully said. one of the things that
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You are known and loved for is, you know, your passionate
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Commitment to teaching on the shroud and the the absolute
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Shroud and the the absolute rock solid. take this to the
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Bank. proof of the resurrection of jesus. when you encounter
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Something like this, i suddenly wonder if the enemy just
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Overplays his hand, the very thing that he intended for evil.
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Don't you believe that god will bring good even from this?
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Sheila? how can i not believe that? because that is the story
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Of god's faithfulness. we know that charlie is a martyr for
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Jesus christ. we know died. he died believing with jesus
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Christ, standing for jesus christ. and we also know that
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The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church. we know
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That the church cannot be stopped. we know that the
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Gospel cannot be stopped. and i want to say this very clearly
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On the authority of god's word. this isn't my thoughts. this is
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On the authority of god's word. the bible tells us that evil
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Had a beginning. and make no mistake, evil will have an end.
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Evil is not unbound. god is in total control. and thanks be to
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God because of the victory of jesus's resurrection, evil's
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Days and evildoers days are numbered according to the
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Promise and the hope that we have in scripture. how powerful!
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What do you say to believers who find themselves? obviously,
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Grieving is is incredibly appropriate shock, but what do
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You say to those who feel afraid? you know that the enemy
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Is out there and all sorts of terrible things are happening.
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How do we as believers arm ourselves and the truth of who
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God is and the security that we have in christ, no matter what?
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That is such a great question, sheila, because so many of us,
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That's a natural thing to feel afraid to think, wait a minute,
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Is if i stand for christ, will someone attack me? will someone
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Come after me? the i want to validate those feelings, and
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Yet i want to remind people that fear is a liar. listen,
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When we walk in the power and of god's call on our life, god
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Promises his presence with us no matter what. and i guarantee
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You god's presence never left charlie kirk today. god was not
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Surprised about this. god is in total control. god is in
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Control. at this very moment, god did not take the day off
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And his presence and his power is with us. and unlike all the
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Other things in the world that are unshakable, we know that
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The truth of god's always remains. we know that the truth
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Of god's promise always remains that his word is with us in the
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Darkest moments. remember, elijah thought he was the only
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One. he even wanted god to kill him. and yet god whispered to
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Him in that still small voice, and i want to encourage people
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Right now to hear the still small voice of the holy spirit
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Of god. and i want you to recognize something that jesus
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Christ took your sin and my sin on the cross. and it was hard
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For him. he even asked the lord if there's any way, father, you
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Could take this cup from me, please do it. take it from me.
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And yet he said, not what i will, but what you will be done
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In my life. and jesus went to the cross, and he literally
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Paid for our sin. he experienced separation from god.
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Sheila. so that you and i never have to experience that. so
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There's truly nothing to be afraid of. all we can do is go
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From victory to victory. remember the bible says in john
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Chapter one that in christ we go from one blessing to another.
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That doesn't mean that we don't have challenges. we don't have
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Adversities. we don't have days like today where we're
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Absolutely wrecked. we feel like we're having an emotional
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Out-of-body experience, but the only thing that can give us
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True meaning and can stabilize us right now is the word of god.
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I often think of what that great christian of yesteryear
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Said. he said literally, i would have gone insane,
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Literally would have gone insane from worry were it not
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For a promise in god's word. and so this is a time when we
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Should have that scripture on the tip of our tongue. i look
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At second corinthians chapter one. you alluded to it earlier,
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I think, when you were talking with pastor greg where it says,
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Blessed be the god and father of our lord jesus christ, i
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Love this, the father of mercies, the god of all comfort.
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In greek it's the paraclete, the god of all encouragement,
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Who comforts us in our tribulations. today is a day of
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Tribulation, so that we are able to comfort those who are
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In any trouble. i love what paul says with the comfort with
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Which we ourselves are comforted by god. and so i want
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To remind people, i'm not going to trust my feelings right now.
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I'm going to trust what i know is true in god's word. my faith
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Is not what i feel. my faith is what i believe. and god's word
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Promises that we can, yes, grieve today, but we can grieve
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In hope. it's that greek word elpis that's always tied to the
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Physical, bodily resurrection of jesus christ. and we know
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Someday in heaven we'll celebrate charlie kirk again.
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But that time it will be physical, bodily. and what a
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Great reuniting that will be someday. thanks be to god for
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That promise, jeremiah. every time i'm in your company, i
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Always feel closer to jesus. you just always bring this
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Clear vision of who we are following. and i'm wondering,
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Would you pray for hours for our audience right now, that
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Even in the midst of grief, the hope would rise from the ashes?
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I will try to. lord, we don't know how to pray in these
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Moments. this is a romans 826 moment, lord, where words fail.
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And yet we know the searcher of our hearts. and romans eight
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Promises that he knows the mind of the spirit, because the
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Spirit makes prayers in our behalf with groanings which
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Cannot be uttered. we ask you to comfort charlie's family. we
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Ask you to comfort his wife and his babies, his children.
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Father, we pray for the body of christ to comfort his family as
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Well. we thank you, lord, for tbn being on right now. when we
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Need to hear truth, when we don't need to be isolated. we
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Thank you for sheila lord and the strength that she needs to
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Just keep this broadcast going, to keep bringing people hope
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Who have questions. we thank you, lord god, for your word.
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That is an anchor to the soul. we thank you, lord, that you
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Have endured all of this, and yet you were without sin. and
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So, as the great high priest, we call on you according to
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Hebrews four, and we ask you to anchor us, stabilize us right
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Now. do not allow our emotions to carry the day, but allow us,
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Father, to be stabilized by the promise that you're in control,
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That you're on the throne, that, lord god, your promises are not
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Voided by evil. we thank you, jesus. that evil is going to
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Come to an end soon. and we ask you, jesus, to come quickly, to
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Rescue us, to rescue this world of yours that is so in need of
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Hope. and lord, we do pray that we would have no fear that god.
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We would be quick, father, to speak out against evil in all
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Of its forms and just as quick to love people with the power
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And the truth of your word. father, we thank you that you
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Died for all sin on the cross when your son died, that the
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Promise of redemption is available for all who look to
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Jesus. and we pray that god, even through this tragedy, that
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Many would come to christ through it. lord, this is our
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Prayer. father, we trust that you've heard it even when our
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Words fail. according to romans 826, in jesus name, amen. thank
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You, my friend. and let us just say, as a family we. i'm so
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Sorry for your personal loss. i know he was a friend, but thank
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You for being with us. thank you for bringing those words.
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Someone that i, barry, and i always turned to whenever we
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Were facing any kind of hard things as a nation, as someone
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Very loved here by the tbn family, you know, and love him.
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I'm joined now by pastor mike hayes and and mike, i'm so
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Grateful that you would take a few moments to be with us in
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The midst of something that is so hard to process and
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Understand. i'm just going to hand over to you. sheila, it's
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Good to see you. i know that the last time we were together
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Were the texas floods. that's exactly right. that was tragic,
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And i. i am sorry for the reason that we are together
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Today, but i'm so honored to be a part. and i'm grateful for
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Those voices that we've been hearing. i've been listening to
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What we've been talking about so far, and it's been so
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Powerful. here's what i'd like to do. sheila, i'd like to
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Speak to this just from a position of what i know and not
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Try to go too far into the future. right now, in a
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Grieving moment. we have to do that. we have to grieve. and
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That's that's where we're at now. this is very early on,
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Still so shocking. some don't even know about it yet. i'm
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Sure, though, the word is spreading fast. i met charlie
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One time a few years ago. i think it was 2018, in
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Washington dc, and i was having lunch in a hotel with a with a
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Mutual friend, and he came and joined us. and i was so
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Impressed by charlie as a young man, as young as he was and as
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Impassioned as he was for his love for god and his love for
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The nation. and i knew that he was destined to do great things.
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When you think about some of the statistics here, sheila,
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Charlie started turning point when he was 18. he died today
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At 31. so that is less than two decades. he built a movement of
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Young people, primarily young people, in college with 85, 85
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Million social media followers. a listening to his message. wow.
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By anyone's measure, this is a life of success. for the
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Message that he shared, all of us would hope to reach those
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Kind of numbers with good news for people of the gospel.
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Charlie had a bent toward the nation and hence was placed a
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Lot of times in a political setting. and i actually heard
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The governor of utah, governor cox, a few minutes ago declared
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This to be a political assassination. and i think
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That's courageous of him. however, i think there are
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Things way deeper than politics. the work of the kingdom goes
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Much deeper. and sheila, when i was last year on the island of
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Patmos, where john wrote the book of revelation, i was there
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In the cave where he wrote it. and this is what i heard in my
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Spirit. it didn't sound that profound, but it's coming to be
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So powerful for me. and the holy spirit said, in my heart,
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Darkness is not a force. light is a force, and you are the
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Light of the world. all you have to do to push back
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Darkness is shine the light. wow. and charlie kirk shined a
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Light broadly and deeply into this society. i don't know of
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Another 31 year old that got this much living in and this
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Much effectiveness for causing people to stop and think as
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Charlie kirk. now with that said, sheila, here's my prayer
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For the longer term. i want to be careful about using the word
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Prophesy, but this is what i want to see happen. most of
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Charlie's followers are very young, passionate,
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Impressionable, haven't seen a lot of life. i know how i was
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In college, thought i knew but didn't know. here's what i'm
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Praying that instead of wasted emotions on hatred or who did
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It or why, i don't think the profile of the shooter that
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They will find. i don't think that matters as much as the
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Broad picture. this is darkness attacking a beam of light and
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Darkness will never win. so what? my prayer is sheila and i
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Feel this so strongly. i want to see those 85 million young
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Followers at this tragedy, grieve and respond. and the
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Response be, we're going to rise up where he fell, and
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We're going to speak clearly and courageously like he spoke,
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And we're going to love god with all of our heart, and
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We're going to see this nation turned back to god. because,
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Sheila, you and i understand we are a part of an ever
02:27:39.818 --> 02:27:43.288
Increasing kingdom. that means today it's as small as it'll
02:27:43.288 --> 02:27:47.159
Ever be, because tomorrow it's going to be a little bigger,
02:27:47.159 --> 02:27:49.962
Ever increasing kingdom. that's what isaiah prophesied it would
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Be. so this death, while not understood by us. because
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Here's the question i had to answer when i heard it. sheila
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Lord, would a living charlie kirk for another 50 years be
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More effective for the work of spreading light than a dead
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Charlie kirk at 31, and his voice has been silenced. now,
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That's a question we have to leave with god. but here's what
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I do believe. i believe my prayers are going to be you
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Know, jesus said these words, except a grain of wheat fall to
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The ground and die. it abides alone, but if it dies, it
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Brings forth much fruit, a great harvest. i'm praying that
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The 31 years of charlie kirk's life on the ground where he
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Spilled his blood, erupt into a revival of millions of young
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People who suddenly. this is one thing this is going to do,
02:28:58.330 --> 02:29:02.434
Sheila. this is going to wake up 85 million followers to the
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Fact that this whole argument is not just political. this
02:29:06.071 --> 02:29:09.975
Light and darkness battle is the real deal. and just like in
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The baby church in the first century, peter, paul, all the
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Apostles. but john died within a five year period as martyrs.
02:29:21.086 --> 02:29:26.091
And the baby church, by all right, should have died. but it
02:29:26.091 --> 02:29:32.331
Didn't. it exploded into revival and growth. you, the
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Devil, couldn't martyr enough of them to stop the fire of
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Revival that spread. the more the devil stomped in the flames,
02:29:43.041 --> 02:29:48.080
The more sparks he spread. that's what i pray that happens
02:29:48.080 --> 02:29:53.285
With the sacrifice of the life of this beautiful young man, is
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That millions of young people, that life suddenly becomes real.
02:29:57.956 --> 02:30:03.929
You know, sheila, i haven't thought of this in years, but
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I'll just finish this comment with this. i was 16, almost 17.
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I had a 55 chevy that i hopped, hopped up with a hot motor, and
02:30:13.939 --> 02:30:17.976
I had a good friend that had one just like it. and we were
02:30:17.976 --> 02:30:21.880
Living life and we were loving god, but enjoying our 1617 year
02:30:21.880 --> 02:30:26.952
Old life. yeah, i had never attended a funeral. and my good
02:30:26.952 --> 02:30:33.091
Friend and i worked on our cars together, and the next day he
02:30:33.091 --> 02:30:37.195
Was going too fast and missed a curve on the highway. and he
02:30:37.195 --> 02:30:40.966
Died in an automobile accident. and the first funeral i ever
02:30:40.966 --> 02:30:44.669
Went to was one of the finest young men i had ever known that
02:30:44.669 --> 02:30:48.974
Died at 17. and suddenly life became real for me, and i
02:30:48.974 --> 02:30:56.214
Wasn't any longer playing around with jesus. did you?
02:30:56.214 --> 02:31:00.085
Maybe to do ministry, like i believe you called me, and it's
02:31:00.085 --> 02:31:05.857
Time to answer that call and make my life count, because
02:31:05.857 --> 02:31:09.828
There are no guarantees that we're going to live a long life
02:31:09.828 --> 02:31:14.433
And die at an old age. we better make a difference while
02:31:14.433 --> 02:31:18.270
We have a chance. like that. is my prayer a word in this whole
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Environment that is such a word from god. mike. powerful. i'm
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Just going to go back quickly to graham because i know he has
02:31:26.111 --> 02:31:29.848
To leave us. and graham, i just i want to give you a chance to
02:31:29.848 --> 02:31:34.386
Say anything else that's left on your heart. you've already
02:31:34.386 --> 02:31:37.389
Painted such a beautiful picture for us, and i'm thanks
02:31:37.389 --> 02:31:40.358
For hanging with us so long. but i just want to give you the
02:31:40.358 --> 02:31:44.463
Final just few minutes of anything that you want to share.
02:31:44.463 --> 02:31:47.265
Well, i agree, i agree with that. i agree with everything
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That was just said. i just i just made a statement and
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Essentially it was this i, charlie, charlie kirk's message,
02:31:56.208 --> 02:32:03.181
His movement, what he stood for did not stop today. and i've
02:32:03.181 --> 02:32:07.419
Heard you say it multiple times that the devil overplayed his
02:32:07.419 --> 02:32:10.789
Hand. through this. many, if not millions, are going to
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Stand up because of this. yeah, i truly believe that it is now
02:32:18.263 --> 02:32:22.968
On us to take on the mantle and continue what it was that
02:32:22.968 --> 02:32:28.140
Charlie kirk believed in. he fought for. i don't know what
02:32:28.140 --> 02:32:32.110
The future holds for turning point usa. i know the people in
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Charge there. they're amazing people. i don't know what
02:32:35.347 --> 02:32:37.249
Happens there. i don't know what happens to the shows and
02:32:37.249 --> 02:32:40.218
To the this and to that. but what i do know is the values,
02:32:40.218 --> 02:32:45.524
The morals. jesus, america, faith, family, freedom, all of
02:32:45.524 --> 02:32:50.061
Those things are still here, and all of those battles are
02:32:50.061 --> 02:32:53.932
Still needing to be fought. and the one thing that i loved
02:32:53.932 --> 02:32:57.602
About charlie is, like any good leader. he was simultaneously
02:32:57.602 --> 02:33:02.908
Leading from the front, but training others to step up in
02:33:02.908 --> 02:33:06.945
His place. when that time came. wow. now, tragically, i don't
02:33:06.945 --> 02:33:10.916
Think any of us wanted or expected for that time to come
02:33:10.916 --> 02:33:14.286
As quickly as it did. but charlie was not a selfish man.
02:33:14.286 --> 02:33:19.157
Charlie was not a prideful man in that regard. charlie knew
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That it couldn't be just him. wow. and i believe that we all
02:33:23.695 --> 02:33:30.268
Now owe it to charlie. and i believe that if he were able to
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Speak to us right now, he would say three very famous words
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That were made famous by our president. and i believe he
02:33:38.143 --> 02:33:40.212
Would tell us to fight, fight, fight. yeah. and i believe that
02:33:40.212 --> 02:33:45.083
Charlie kirk would tell us to keep going, that charlie kirk
02:33:45.083 --> 02:33:48.119
Would. charlie kirk would tell us that it is too important.
02:33:48.119 --> 02:33:52.924
Jesus is the man is the answer. jesus is the thing that's going
02:33:52.924 --> 02:33:56.928
To save this next generation, the current generation. jesus
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Is what's going to save this country. and now we all need to
02:34:00.198 --> 02:34:05.237
Pick up that torch, and we all need to carry it with us. and
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We need to keep fighting the battle and moving forward.
02:34:08.974 --> 02:34:12.077
Graham, thank you so much. thank you for your words. thank
02:34:12.077 --> 02:34:15.013
You for the pictures you've painted for us. thank you for
02:34:15.013 --> 02:34:18.149
That call. and that is my prayer that we as a tbn family
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Will take up that call and continue to speak the truth
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With boldness. bless you. thank you so much for being with us.
02:34:24.990 --> 02:34:28.893
It was just amazing to hear your perspective. eric. i have
02:34:28.893 --> 02:34:32.297
To say, i have had i feel very honored today to have been able
02:34:32.297 --> 02:34:36.868
To hear from so many people who personally knew charlie, who
02:34:36.868 --> 02:34:41.206
Had walked beside him, whether it was jeremiah who was
02:34:41.206 --> 02:34:45.343
Expecting to be doing an event with him in january, or graham,
02:34:45.343 --> 02:34:48.146
Who was with him in those early days when they had to put down
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The window of the car because they were just starting off.
02:34:52.050 --> 02:34:55.186
But when you have someone like that who is a visionary, who
02:34:55.186 --> 02:35:00.525
Sees beyond what is to what can be, we just have to be so
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Grateful that he was part of the tbn family for as long as
02:35:05.930 --> 02:35:10.702
He was. so excited when he came aboard, matt crouch told me,
02:35:10.702 --> 02:35:16.207
Hey, charlie, kirk can have a show on our network. and before
02:35:16.207 --> 02:35:19.144
Stackelbeck tonight, kind of one of the lead ins along with
02:35:19.144 --> 02:35:22.414
Pastor allen jackson. i was so excited because i knew what
02:35:22.414 --> 02:35:25.216
This meant. i knew to have his voice on our network was a
02:35:25.216 --> 02:35:28.920
Total game changer. look, sheila, he reached not only
02:35:28.920 --> 02:35:33.525
Generation z, he led in turning point usa. what he established,
02:35:33.525 --> 02:35:37.962
Like you said, a visionary. what he established was the
02:35:37.962 --> 02:35:40.865
Largest conservative political movement in america. really?
02:35:40.865 --> 02:35:45.970
Perhaps the world. i mean, millions upon millions. pastor
02:35:45.970 --> 02:35:48.440
Mike laid it out a few minutes ago. 85 million people, at
02:35:48.440 --> 02:35:52.110
Least, that charlie kirk reached. so to have his voice,
02:35:52.110 --> 02:35:56.448
Even though it was to for far too brief period here on tbn,
02:35:56.448 --> 02:36:00.051
He was here. he was strong every weeknight was a blessing
02:36:00.051 --> 02:36:03.121
And a privilege, i think, for us, because charlie not only
02:36:03.121 --> 02:36:06.958
Just cut through the clutter and the falsehoods like a knife,
02:36:06.958 --> 02:36:11.930
But he did it with a smile on his face. and that's been a
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Theme throughout. hearing from graham and his personal friends.
02:36:15.300 --> 02:36:18.103
I mean, to me, number one, one of the most brilliant people
02:36:18.103 --> 02:36:20.972
You see is sitting down there back in march, one of the most
02:36:20.972 --> 02:36:24.676
Brilliant people i've ever interviewed. wow. and he was 31
02:36:24.676 --> 02:36:26.945
Years old. yeah. i mean, mind you and graham, his close
02:36:26.945 --> 02:36:29.848
Personal friend said a minute ago, sheila, i'm older than
02:36:29.848 --> 02:36:32.751
Charlie, but i admired the guy. i looked up to him in a sense
02:36:32.751 --> 02:36:37.455
Because he was just brilliant and bold. the two b's
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Brilliance and boldness and completely sold out for the
02:36:41.092 --> 02:36:44.996
Gospel in a wonderful way. a follower of jesus. and i really
02:36:44.996 --> 02:36:49.000
Saw this sheila over the past several years i met him, i gosh,
02:36:49.000 --> 02:36:53.004
I think he was 23, 24. i mentioned this earlier and he
02:36:53.004 --> 02:36:56.274
Was a young, energetic guy. i mean, a political operator,
02:36:56.274 --> 02:37:01.846
Mover, a shaker, even at the age of 23. but to see him grow
02:37:01.846 --> 02:37:06.284
Still very much that, but to see him grow over the past few
02:37:06.284 --> 02:37:10.422
Years into a bold witness for christ. if you watched
02:37:10.422 --> 02:37:14.692
Charlie's trajectory, sheila, over the past 7 or 8 years, i
02:37:14.692 --> 02:37:18.596
Mean, with every passing year, with every passing month, jesus
02:37:18.596 --> 02:37:22.100
Was more and more at the center of his message and his
02:37:22.100 --> 02:37:25.870
Messaging. it was amazing to see that growth. i feel like we
02:37:25.870 --> 02:37:30.475
Watched it in real time, him growing into a mighty man of
02:37:30.475 --> 02:37:34.345
God. we watched it develop in real time. amazing to see and
02:37:34.345 --> 02:37:37.982
We saw that growth and we saw the holy spirit moving through
02:37:37.982 --> 02:37:42.020
Him. and you could see it really, sheila, in real time on
02:37:42.020 --> 02:37:45.990
College campuses as he's speaking to these young people,
02:37:45.990 --> 02:37:50.161
Mainly generation z, which has been in many ways a lost
02:37:50.161 --> 02:37:54.065
Generation because of the covid era and all the mess that
02:37:54.065 --> 02:37:57.001
Transgenderism, the madness they've been faced with,
02:37:57.001 --> 02:37:59.304
They've been inundated with. but you can actually see it on
02:37:59.304 --> 02:38:03.074
Their faces. sheila, in the moment, their hearts and their
02:38:03.074 --> 02:38:07.278
Minds changing. i mean, literally in the moment as
02:38:07.278 --> 02:38:10.014
They're engaging with charlie kirk on college campuses at
02:38:10.014 --> 02:38:13.318
These great events, like the one he was holding today when
02:38:13.318 --> 02:38:16.488
He was murdered, assassinated. but they would come at him
02:38:16.488 --> 02:38:19.991
Sometimes in a very combative way, confrontational way. and
02:38:19.991 --> 02:38:23.962
Charlie would just smile and he would calmly and eloquently and
02:38:23.962 --> 02:38:28.533
In such an easy to understand way, lay out the facts and lay
02:38:28.533 --> 02:38:34.172
Out history. that's the thing i loved about charlie, sheila. a
02:38:34.172 --> 02:38:37.108
Lot of times today, people don't read. someone asked me,
02:38:37.108 --> 02:38:42.013
Actually asked me in a conversation earlier today,
02:38:42.013 --> 02:38:44.282
Half in jest, but half serious. do people still read books? do
02:38:44.282 --> 02:38:48.186
People even read anymore? and again, half in jest? but i mean,
02:38:48.186 --> 02:38:52.290
That's really where we're at. charlie, on the other hand, as
02:38:52.290 --> 02:38:55.994
As a 31 year old was so well read, it permeated every time
02:38:55.994 --> 02:39:02.166
He opened his mouth. he was a student of history. he had a
02:39:02.166 --> 02:39:06.771
Fierce intellectual curiosity. and to my kids, who are 18 and
02:39:06.771 --> 02:39:12.210
14 years old, two young girls, he was an inspiration. and it's
02:39:12.210 --> 02:39:16.214
Funny. sheila, you know, i have an 18 year old daughter. she's
02:39:16.214 --> 02:39:20.184
A freshman in college, and i guess it was last year and i
02:39:20.184 --> 02:39:23.454
Knew she was a conservative politically, but she wasn't
02:39:23.454 --> 02:39:26.157
Very open about her beliefs. she's kind of figuring it all
02:39:26.157 --> 02:39:29.027
Out. you're a young kid, 16, 17. you're figuring it all out,
02:39:29.027 --> 02:39:32.463
You're figuring out your worldview, etc. she goes to a
02:39:32.463 --> 02:39:34.933
Great christian school, but she's figuring it all out. and
02:39:34.933 --> 02:39:37.268
Then all of a sudden, about a year ago, she started bringing
02:39:37.268 --> 02:39:41.072
Me clips of charlie kirk. hey, dad, do you know this guy? i
02:39:41.072 --> 02:39:44.008
Said, as a matter of fact, julianna, i do. i know him, and
02:39:44.008 --> 02:39:48.246
She'd bring me clips from tiktok of charlie kirk. a lot
02:39:48.246 --> 02:39:51.516
Of people our age might say tiktok. oh, gosh. but for
02:39:51.516 --> 02:39:53.952
Generation z, that's their go to. that's where many kids are
02:39:53.952 --> 02:39:56.921
Meeting jesus or meeting a person like charlie kirk who's
02:39:56.921 --> 02:40:00.525
Informing them, educating them. but when my daughter started,
02:40:00.525 --> 02:40:04.295
Who was pretty apolitical up until that point, started
02:40:04.295 --> 02:40:07.031
Showing me clips and saying, dad, this guy's awesome. i mean,
02:40:07.031 --> 02:40:10.001
He gets it and he speaks to me and to my generation, and he's
02:40:10.001 --> 02:40:14.606
So easy to understand. i love this guy because my daughter
02:40:14.606 --> 02:40:17.342
Was saying, you know, i'm seeing all this craziness go
02:40:17.342 --> 02:40:20.945
Around, go on around me. whether it's gender confusion,
02:40:20.945 --> 02:40:24.248
All the rest that's being shoved down my throat, this guy
02:40:24.248 --> 02:40:28.853
Cuts through it all. he is expressing how i feel. wow. and
02:40:28.853 --> 02:40:34.058
I think charlie kirk spoke for a lot of young people in that
02:40:34.058 --> 02:40:37.328
Regard. he was able to express and put it into words what
02:40:37.328 --> 02:40:41.232
People felt, and he would speak and people would say, yeah,
02:40:41.232 --> 02:40:45.136
What he just said. he would summarize what people were
02:40:45.136 --> 02:40:49.107
Feeling in their hearts. we see the madness going on around us
02:40:49.107 --> 02:40:51.976
And we know it's wrong. and charlie would just cut right
02:40:51.976 --> 02:40:55.146
Through it again, boldly and so eloquently, and just lay it out.
02:40:55.146 --> 02:40:59.117
And these were mic drop moments time and time again on college
02:40:59.117 --> 02:41:03.254
Campuses. yet he never gloated, sheila. he never goaded people
02:41:03.254 --> 02:41:07.925
Into confrontation. and you could watch on these young
02:41:07.925 --> 02:41:10.461
People's faces as charlie would wrap up a withering yet
02:41:10.461 --> 02:41:16.768
Graceful response to their attacks and their questions and
02:41:16.768 --> 02:41:21.339
Their statements. and there were supposed to many times.
02:41:21.339 --> 02:41:24.475
And sheila, as a speaker and you speak as well to audiences
02:41:24.475 --> 02:41:28.179
Sometimes during the q&a session, that's the most
02:41:28.179 --> 02:41:31.282
Dangerous time, right? you give a speech, you might give a
02:41:31.282 --> 02:41:35.153
Keynote address to a large church, a large gathering, a
02:41:35.153 --> 02:41:37.288
Conference. you speak for 30 minutes, maybe even an hour.
02:41:37.288 --> 02:41:39.957
And then comes the q&a. and that's where it gets really
02:41:39.957 --> 02:41:44.395
Interesting sometimes. and sheila, sometimes it's supposed
02:41:44.395 --> 02:41:47.331
To be a question, but the questioner will make a
02:41:47.331 --> 02:41:52.103
Statement. yeah, they'll get up there. they'll be a preamble
02:41:52.103 --> 02:41:55.740
For about 2 or 3 minutes. and then comes the question. and it
02:41:55.740 --> 02:41:59.143
May be confrontational, but charlie dealt with all that. i
02:41:59.143 --> 02:42:01.913
Watched clip after clip. sheila, over the years, these college
02:42:01.913 --> 02:42:05.249
Kids would get up, they would slam him and blast him, and
02:42:05.249 --> 02:42:09.053
Charlie would smile and he would listen. and his response
02:42:09.053 --> 02:42:13.057
Would never be aggressive or confrontational back. he would
02:42:13.057 --> 02:42:16.828
Say, okay, i appreciate your question. i mean, sheila,
02:42:16.828 --> 02:42:20.231
Imagine that. he'd say he was a i would say ronald reagan was a
02:42:20.231 --> 02:42:24.335
Happy warrior. people called reagan someone i greatly
02:42:24.335 --> 02:42:27.071
Admired, a happy warrior. i'd say charlie was a happy warrior.
02:42:27.071 --> 02:42:30.908
He was not bitter. he was not vindictive. but man, he did not
02:42:30.908 --> 02:42:35.413
Mince words and he would do it with a smile on his face. he'd
02:42:35.413 --> 02:42:38.950
Lay it out and again you could see the countenance of these
02:42:38.950 --> 02:42:42.220
Young college kids change as they listened to him, and they
02:42:42.220 --> 02:42:45.089
Were left with no response, because, again, he had truth on
02:42:45.089 --> 02:42:50.061
His side, but he had the holy spirit on his side, even more
02:42:50.061 --> 02:42:54.265
Importantly. so it was a joy to watch him for the all too brief
02:42:54.265 --> 02:42:57.935
Period of time that we had charlie kirk on this earth. it
02:42:57.935 --> 02:43:01.205
Was a joy to watch him. it was a joy to know him and honor to
02:43:01.205 --> 02:43:05.143
Have him on our network, and to just watch him go to see how
02:43:05.143 --> 02:43:08.179
God used him. and mike hayes, pastor mike hayes a few minutes
02:43:08.179 --> 02:43:12.583
Ago made a great point. sheila charlie may have an even
02:43:12.583 --> 02:43:15.419
Greater impact in death than he did in life. and wow, what an
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Impact he had in life. but in death, i'm telling you, there
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Would be many more. many charlie kirk's who are going to
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Be raised up now, who are going to take that baton and they're
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Going to run with it. they are going to fight, fight, fight.
02:43:30.067 --> 02:43:33.037
Like graham said a few minutes ago, this i've been using the
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Word throughout our time together here live sheila for
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The past few hours. galvanize. that's the word galvanized.
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Charlie's death isn't going to again, crush and take the wind
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Out of the sails of a movement. this is going to galvanize
02:43:48.119 --> 02:43:51.355
People. and once people are able to process this through
02:43:51.355 --> 02:43:55.793
Our grief, through our mourning, then you will have a
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Galvanizing moment where this movement is going to fly even
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More, and charlie's memory will live on for many, many years to
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Come. and, sheila, i think we have our good friend john with
02:44:09.974 --> 02:44:14.111
Us right now, pastor john manchukuo, who worked with
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Charlie, of course, at turning point. pastor john, are you
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With us right now? yes, i am, thank you so much for bringing
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Me on, john. we love having you. it's great to see you, my
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Friend. and, well, it's great to see you, but i obviously
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Wish it was under different circumstances. pastor john,
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You're a pastor. you're a man of god, number one. number two,
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You worked with charlie closely, obviously, at turning point,
02:44:40.204 --> 02:44:44.208
Your first impressions on this day? well, you know, it's it's
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Amazing. i got up this morning and i was getting my calendar
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Together for the end of the year. and so i put am first
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America fest on my calendar. and i was talking to to my wife
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About it and how we were looking forward to going this
02:45:01.192 --> 02:45:03.961
Year and celebrating it. my kids went with us last year,
02:45:03.961 --> 02:45:06.898
And we celebrated christmas there, partly by going shopping
02:45:06.898 --> 02:45:10.101
And everything like that, and we were looking forward to
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Doing that again this year. and i'm at a store and i received
02:45:13.004 --> 02:45:17.208
Word from my wife. she calls me and says, john, have you heard
02:45:17.208 --> 02:45:21.012
What happened to charlie? and i said, no. and i turned on the
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News and went to social media, and i was just alarmed by the
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Fact that some individual who couldn't prove him wrong
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Through words, chose to take his life in the same manner
02:45:35.226 --> 02:45:38.896
That they tried to assassinate president trump and they failed.
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They didn't prove charlie wrong today. they proved him right.
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But now he's eternally right. he was right in the past, the
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Present, and he's right in the future. the bible tells us to
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Be absent from the body is to be present with the lord. and
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Then we also see in scripture where the bible says in
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Philippians 121, for for me to live is christ, and to die is
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Gain. charlie is in the presence of almighty god. he's
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At rest. he's at peace. if he could come back and table
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Another event, he wouldn't do it because he's caught a
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Glimpse of our lord and savior, jesus christ. yeah, pastor john,
02:46:26.043 --> 02:46:31.082
So well said. can you talk more about the growth that we saw?
02:46:31.082 --> 02:46:35.019
You know, i said earlier, i met charlie, i think he was 23
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Maybe, and a young, energetic conservative activist, no doubt.
02:46:38.089 --> 02:46:42.093
But i think in real time we saw over the past several years,
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Year by year, month by month, charlie, in a very public way,
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Grow into a mighty man of god, a bold witness for the gospel,
02:46:49.200 --> 02:46:54.271
Unashamed. pastor john, the cool thing about charlie, one
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Of the many great things about him is you could see charlie on
02:46:57.241 --> 02:47:00.177
Stage with president trump at a political event, a political
02:47:00.177 --> 02:47:03.314
Rally, and then the next day you could see him speaking at a
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Large church, talking about the lord. everything with charlie
02:47:07.151 --> 02:47:09.920
Came from a biblical basis. can you talk a little bit more
02:47:09.920 --> 02:47:13.524
About that, his biblical worldview and how everything
02:47:13.524 --> 02:47:16.327
For him started and ended with the gospel? you know, men like
02:47:16.327 --> 02:47:23.234
Jack hibbs and pastor rob mccoy and pastor hibbs, they they
02:47:23.234 --> 02:47:29.040
Tutored and taught charlie kirk the ways of the lord. they were
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His pastors. and charlie had a deep, abiding faith. everything
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That he did for the kingdom and through turning point pointed
02:47:40.051 --> 02:47:44.922
Back to the cross of calvary. charlie was never off task or
02:47:44.922 --> 02:47:51.062
Mission. the mission was ultimately to make jesus christ
02:47:51.062 --> 02:47:56.033
Famous, and along with that came defending the truth,
02:47:56.033 --> 02:48:01.272
Fighting against political tyrants. building out the most
02:48:01.272 --> 02:48:08.045
Robust campus movement that america has ever seen,
02:48:08.045 --> 02:48:13.884
Shepherding, turning point, faith creating, turning point,
02:48:13.884 --> 02:48:19.523
Turning point academy leading from the front at all junctures.
02:48:19.523 --> 02:48:27.932
That's something that charlie did. and to see his faith
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Deepen over the years and him go from, you know, being
02:48:31.969 --> 02:48:37.274
Initially silent on some issues, but then evolving into this, i
02:48:37.274 --> 02:48:42.446
Mean, this beacon of hope, a modern day billy graham, so to
02:48:42.446 --> 02:48:48.219
Speak, you know, was just was just transformative. and i know
02:48:48.219 --> 02:48:54.325
That there are many people right now who are grieving and
02:48:54.325 --> 02:48:57.895
Mourning his loss, and i am as well. my family is also. but we
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Take hope in the fact that the god of charlie kirk is still on
02:49:03.267 --> 02:49:07.338
The throne, and there's much work that still needs to be
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Done. pastor john, so well said, so well said. and the word i've
02:49:11.442 --> 02:49:17.081
Been using is galvanized charlie's death. it's not going
02:49:17.081 --> 02:49:20.317
To make people give up. it's going to galvanize this
02:49:20.317 --> 02:49:24.021
Movement even more. we've been saying throughout this
02:49:24.021 --> 02:49:26.357
Broadcast, the devil overplayed his hand badly here. speaking
02:49:26.357 --> 02:49:30.027
Of which, pastor john, talk about the moment we're in right
02:49:30.027 --> 02:49:33.664
Now. it's a perilous time for our nation. we're seeing an
02:49:33.664 --> 02:49:36.600
American revival, in my view, but it's a perilous time as
02:49:36.600 --> 02:49:39.803
Well. we see two assassination attempts against president
02:49:39.803 --> 02:49:42.339
Trump. we see a young girl in charlotte, north carolina,
02:49:42.339 --> 02:49:46.143
Murdered on a bus in cold blood. we see a transgender shooter
02:49:46.143 --> 02:49:51.649
Massacre some catholic kids in minneapolis just a little while
02:49:51.649 --> 02:49:55.219
Ago. now we have charlie kirk murdered. and essentially, he's
02:49:55.219 --> 02:49:59.390
A martyr for the gospel and for truth and for america. talk
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About the moment we're in right now and the way forward here.
02:50:02.993 --> 02:50:08.365
Well, you know, the truth will always be fought. jesus lets us
02:50:08.365 --> 02:50:14.171
Know that if the world doesn't love you, just understand that
02:50:14.171 --> 02:50:18.542
They hated me first. and there are constantly attacks against
02:50:18.542 --> 02:50:23.214
The christian church and against christian men and women
02:50:23.214 --> 02:50:27.718
Of god. oftentimes we hear a lot about anti-semitism, but we
02:50:27.718 --> 02:50:32.022
Hear, you know, not not as much information or talk about
02:50:32.022 --> 02:50:36.493
Anti-christian bigotry. and so what this moment represents is
02:50:36.493 --> 02:50:41.465
Another opportunity for the christian church, the bride of
02:50:41.465 --> 02:50:46.770
Christ, to reflect and to see that in this good things come,
02:50:46.770 --> 02:50:54.178
But also challenging days and moments come as well. charlie
02:50:54.178 --> 02:50:59.049
Will be always regarded as a faithful and true christian
02:50:59.049 --> 02:51:03.721
Witness for the kingdom of god. and now a christian martyr.
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It's time to crown this man, and god will do just that. i
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Say to those who may be wondering, how could god let
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This happen? and why now and why, charlie? you know, with
02:51:17.234 --> 02:51:23.007
The the tenacity that charlie worked with and the commitment
02:51:23.007 --> 02:51:30.114
To turning point and to the kingdom of god is as if charlie
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May have known that his days may have been short. he worked
02:51:34.151 --> 02:51:39.957
As if there was no tomorrow. charlie got 1000 hours out of
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24 hours. he was always committed, always faithful,
02:51:48.065 --> 02:51:51.935
Always willing to get to the next stop, to get to the next
02:51:51.935 --> 02:51:55.072
Trip, always strategizing, always planning for the future,
02:51:55.072 --> 02:51:59.977
Always coming up with a battle plan or a strategy to build out
02:51:59.977 --> 02:52:06.150
The army of the lord on this earth. and so, for those of us
02:52:06.150 --> 02:52:11.255
Who remain, we have a job to do. we're called to contend for the
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Faith to occupy until the lord comes. my prayer is that they
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Will find this assassin, and they will bring him to full
02:52:21.332 --> 02:52:28.472
Justice. there's still talks about whether or not he's in
02:52:28.472 --> 02:52:31.008
Custody or not. i don't know what's going on there, but my
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Hope and prayer is that justice will be brought, but also that
02:52:34.878 --> 02:52:39.049
The church and those who work alongside had worked alongside
02:52:39.049 --> 02:52:43.420
Charlie through turning point, that we will trust and know
02:52:43.420 --> 02:52:47.291
That in this hour that the lord is yet with us, and that god
02:52:47.291 --> 02:52:52.963
Has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, love, and
02:52:52.963 --> 02:52:58.168
Of a sound mind, the lord will be with us. the lord will keep
02:52:58.168 --> 02:53:02.840
Us. yes, we will mourn the loss of charlie kirk. yes, we will
02:53:02.840 --> 02:53:06.977
Regroup. yes, we'll come together and create a new plan
02:53:06.977 --> 02:53:10.881
Going forward in the future. but we are already victorious
02:53:10.881 --> 02:53:16.320
By the blood of jesus christ and by our god who sits on the
02:53:16.320 --> 02:53:21.325
Throne. amen. pastor john, i'm so well said. as always, my
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Friend. we are praying we know how difficult this day is for
02:53:26.964 --> 02:53:30.534
You and the entire turning point usa team. we're praying
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For all of you, pastor john. god bless you. thanks again.
02:53:32.870 --> 02:53:35.906
We'll see you again soon. let's go back to sheila now with a
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Very special guest. thank you eric. great words, pastor too.
02:53:39.410 --> 02:53:44.448
If you're just joining us, you'll notice that it's not the
02:53:44.448 --> 02:53:47.384
Normal programing that we have on tbn during the week because
02:53:47.384 --> 02:53:51.021
Of a tragic event that happened today. the beloved charlie kirk,
02:53:51.021 --> 02:53:55.893
Who has impacted millions of young people, gen z in
02:53:55.893 --> 02:54:01.999
Particular, he has this. he started turning point usa and
02:54:01.999 --> 02:54:06.136
That's grown into a massive movement. and today he was
02:54:06.136 --> 02:54:08.972
Speaking at utah valley university answering questions.
02:54:08.972 --> 02:54:12.843
That was one of the great things about charlie. he was
02:54:12.843 --> 02:54:16.246
Always open to to listen to whatever a student had to say,
02:54:16.246 --> 02:54:19.049
And he liked to debate those who didn't agree with him. he
02:54:19.049 --> 02:54:22.453
Liked to listen to them. and while that was happening today,
02:54:22.453 --> 02:54:26.190
Then there was charlie was shot and and charlie was martyred.
02:54:26.190 --> 02:54:30.861
He was murdered today. and our hearts are grieving. he was
02:54:30.861 --> 02:54:34.198
Part of the tbn family here. we were very grateful for charlie.
02:54:34.198 --> 02:54:38.669
And so obviously as a family, we are praying for his darling
02:54:38.669 --> 02:54:42.072
Wife, erica, also a faithful believer, and for their two
02:54:42.072 --> 02:54:47.110
Darling children. they have a three year old daughter and a
02:54:47.110 --> 02:54:49.980
One year old son. so as we sit with the grief and and know
02:54:49.980 --> 02:54:58.255
That god visits us in our grief, i mean, it says in psalm 34,
02:54:58.255 --> 02:55:02.960
The lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those
02:55:02.960 --> 02:55:06.330
Who are crushed in spirit. and so we we pray that over
02:55:06.330 --> 02:55:11.969
Charlie's family. but i'm going to be joined now from los
02:55:11.969 --> 02:55:15.539
Angeles by someone who is very dear to us at trinity
02:55:15.539 --> 02:55:18.208
Broadcasting, whose whole ministry has been about not
02:55:18.208 --> 02:55:22.112
Only being president of samaritan's purse and bringing
02:55:22.112 --> 02:55:25.349
Hope and health and healing around the world, but also to
02:55:25.349 --> 02:55:29.119
Bring the good news of the gospel that jesus christ is our
02:55:29.119 --> 02:55:33.590
Hope. pastor graham, thank you so much for being with us. and
02:55:33.590 --> 02:55:37.561
I would just i would just invite your comments as to how
02:55:37.561 --> 02:55:41.131
I don't even know what to say. how do you put it? how what's
02:55:41.131 --> 02:55:45.202
On your heart as you listen to this tragic news today? you
02:55:45.202 --> 02:55:51.909
Know, jesus said, let not your heart be troubled. you believe
02:55:51.909 --> 02:55:57.147
In god, believe also in me. and he said, in my father's house
02:55:57.147 --> 02:56:01.251
Are many mansions. if it were not so, i told you that i go to
02:56:01.251 --> 02:56:05.289
Prepare a place for you. i will come again and receive you unto
02:56:05.289 --> 02:56:09.126
Myself. charlie has graduated today. he's in the presence of
02:56:09.126 --> 02:56:13.330
Almighty god, and he's not there because he was he. he
02:56:13.330 --> 02:56:17.167
Motivated people. he's not there because he was a good guy.
02:56:17.167 --> 02:56:20.904
And he, you know, he was a good guy. but that's not how you get
02:56:20.904 --> 02:56:25.375
To heaven. he's in the presence of almighty god, and he's going
02:56:25.375 --> 02:56:28.512
To take hold of that mansion that the lord jesus prepared
02:56:28.512 --> 02:56:31.949
For him. he's there right now. but he's there because he put
02:56:31.949 --> 02:56:36.320
His faith and trust in jesus christ. and you see, we're all
02:56:36.320 --> 02:56:40.090
Sinners and we're all under a death sentence from god. the
02:56:40.090 --> 02:56:44.027
Wages of sin is death. and when the first man and woman, adam
02:56:44.027 --> 02:56:48.231
And eve, and they disobeyed god, sin came into the world and
02:56:48.231 --> 02:56:52.469
Infected the world like a cancer of the human soul. and
02:56:52.469 --> 02:56:57.040
We see evidence of sin all around us. we saw it today as
02:56:57.040 --> 02:57:01.578
Charlie was murdered there, utah valley. it just it breaks
02:57:01.578 --> 02:57:06.116
Your heart. but we can't. i mean, my heart is broken for
02:57:06.116 --> 02:57:10.654
His wife or his kids, but i praise god he's in he's in
02:57:10.654 --> 02:57:16.393
God's presence. and he's he's he's taken hold of that mansion
02:57:16.393 --> 02:57:20.063
That was promised to him. and for all of us who put our faith
02:57:20.063 --> 02:57:23.100
And trust in christ. but charlie put his faith and trust
02:57:23.100 --> 02:57:26.603
In jesus christ. he confessed his sins, he repented, and he
02:57:26.603 --> 02:57:30.140
Believed by faith that jesus christ was god's son, that
02:57:30.140 --> 02:57:35.212
Jesus died and shed his blood on a cross, that he was buried
02:57:35.212 --> 02:57:38.749
For our sins. and on the third day god raised him to life. and
02:57:38.749 --> 02:57:43.186
That's our hope for all of us, that one day we'll be in the
02:57:43.186 --> 02:57:47.024
Presence of almighty god. and so, you know, we're missing.
02:57:47.024 --> 02:57:50.961
We'll miss his voice. and to have a young man like that so
02:57:50.961 --> 02:57:55.098
Articulate, you know, we just say, how can we replace him? i
02:57:55.098 --> 02:57:58.869
Pray that god will raise up 10,000 more just like him. that
02:57:58.869 --> 02:58:02.372
Will go to all the college campuses and go out on the
02:58:02.372 --> 02:58:05.976
Streets. and who will be a a champion for the lord jesus
02:58:05.976 --> 02:58:10.247
Christ. so i pray that this, this death is not in despair,
02:58:10.247 --> 02:58:15.786
But the hope that many more will rise up and they'll say,
02:58:15.786 --> 02:58:19.990
Charlie can do it. i can do it. if god can do that through
02:58:19.990 --> 02:58:24.027
Charlie, i can do that and just pray that there'll be an army
02:58:24.027 --> 02:58:27.998
Of young men and women taking a stand for the lord jesus christ,
02:58:27.998 --> 02:58:33.070
Motivated by what they saw today, that god would just
02:58:33.070 --> 02:58:36.006
Touch their hearts to go out and do the same. that's
02:58:36.006 --> 02:58:39.209
Beautiful. powerful word. okay? for somebody who is flipping
02:58:39.209 --> 02:58:42.045
Through channels and they pause on this because they see news
02:58:42.045 --> 02:58:45.148
About charlie kirk and they hear you speak, saying so
02:58:45.148 --> 02:58:48.919
Clearly, the only reason charlie kirk is in heaven is
02:58:48.919 --> 02:58:51.354
Because of the sacrifice of jesus. what do you say to
02:58:51.354 --> 02:58:55.092
Somebody right now who says, well, you know, i go to church.
02:58:55.092 --> 02:58:57.928
I mean, i've got a bible somewhere, but who doesn't have
02:58:57.928 --> 02:59:00.363
That personal? how do you find that personal relationship with
02:59:00.363 --> 02:59:03.700
Jesus? well, there are a lot of people. you'll ask them, are
02:59:03.700 --> 02:59:10.207
You christians? and say, oh, yeah, i'm a christian. but when
02:59:10.207 --> 02:59:13.076
Did you come to faith in christ? well, they begin to kind of
02:59:13.076 --> 02:59:16.313
Stare at you and they say, well, you know, i was born a
02:59:16.313 --> 02:59:19.883
Christian, or my parents were christians, or i go to a church
02:59:19.883 --> 02:59:24.688
Sometimes, but that's not how how our soul is saved. we have
02:59:24.688 --> 02:59:29.025
A soul. we have a spirit, and charlie's spirit is in the
02:59:29.025 --> 02:59:32.896
Presence of god. and how do we get there? and it's by
02:59:32.896 --> 02:59:37.534
Confessing our sins and repenting. you have to repent.
02:59:37.534 --> 02:59:40.170
You have to turn from your sins. you can't say, oh, i love god,
02:59:40.170 --> 02:59:45.142
Or i love jesus and go back to sleeping with your girlfriend
02:59:45.142 --> 02:59:48.111
Or boyfriend or or doing whatever those things are, but
02:59:48.111 --> 02:59:52.015
You do it because you are in heaven, because you've
02:59:52.015 --> 02:59:56.286
Confessed your sins and turn from them. and by faith,
02:59:56.286 --> 02:59:59.689
Believing that jesus christ is god's son, that he took our
02:59:59.689 --> 03:00:04.194
Sins. when he went to that cross, he shed his blood for us.
03:00:04.194 --> 03:00:08.331
And while he was on the cross, god poured on his son the sins
03:00:08.331 --> 03:00:13.303
Of mankind past, present, future. that's that's us right
03:00:13.303 --> 03:00:17.607
Now. today when jesus went to the cross, he hung on that
03:00:17.607 --> 03:00:21.578
Cross for all of us. he shed his blood for us. he was buried
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For us. he took our sins to the grave. but god raised him on
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The third day. he's alive. he's not dead. he's alive and he's
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Coming back. but you have to confess your sins and repent.
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Yes, christ died for your sins. he took your sins to the cross,
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And he's offering that gift of salvation. but you have to be
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Willing to receive it. you have to be willing to accept it, and
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You accept it through faith in god's son, jesus christ. so if
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Anybody's watching, they're not sure they're saved. i pray that
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They'll do it right now. just say, god, i'm a sinner. i'm
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Sorry. forgive me. i believe jesus is your son and i want to
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Trust him as my savior like charlie did. i want to trust
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Him as my savior. i want to know that if my life came to an
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End today, i would be in the presence of almighty god. if
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You prayed this prayer right now, just pray it in jesus name.
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Amen. amen. beautiful, powerful, and the only thing that really
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Matters. i want to thank you for joining us, and i want to
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Ask you to how can we pray for for samaritan's purse? how can
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We pray for your ministry? because the way god uses you in
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Our nation and around the world is really spectacular. we live
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In a broken world, and i'm always trying to remind my team,
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You know, we feed people, we we provide medicine, we do
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Clothing, we do all kinds of things. but the most important
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Thing we can do for anybody is to introduce them to the lord
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Jesus christ. so samaritan's purse is an evangelistic
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Organization that happens to do relief work. so pray for that.
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Our team will be faithful to always lift up christ, to make
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Christ number one in everything. and that's, that's that's the
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Prayer, you know, pray for us that we'll be faithful always
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To lift up christ. yeah. beautiful. thank you so much
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For taking time out of your busy schedule to be with us.
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Pastor graham, i'm going to throw back now to eric, who's
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In washington and with a very special guest, eric. sheila,
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Thank you so much. and we have a dear friend of mine, of
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Charlie kirk of tbn, our good friend, pastor jack hibbs,
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Senior pastor of calvary chapel, chino hill, host of the real
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Life network, real life with jack hibbs pastor jack. it's
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Tough to find words today. charlie was a lion. he was 31
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Years old. he was a giant. and you know firsthand about his
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Growth in the lord. i said earlier, pastor jack, i met him.
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He was maybe 23 years old, a fiery young conservative
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Activist, which was great. but we saw, i think, in real time,
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His growth in the lord, in jesus, he became a lion for the
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Gospel in a very public way, including at calvary chapel
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Chino hills. on your stage. tell us more about that, pastor
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Jack, about the the faith behind the man, charlie kirk.
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Eric, first of all, thank you for having me. and you said it
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Right. so here, here's charlie kirk, young guy. extremely,
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Extremely adept at learning, not normal, super bright. and
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With his early days, he had all of the knowledge. right. and he
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Could just do what he did so wonderfully. but the beautiful
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Thing was, as he invested more and more in jesus and in the
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Word of god, you could see this young man, so to speak, in the
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Soul age, eric, from from being, as it were, a spiritual
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Teenager to a spiritual giant, as you said. and he loved the
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Word of god. charlie kirk would send me verses in the morning.
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We would talk. i talked with him yesterday. the his growth
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In christ was awesome. and like his intellect, so his spirit,
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He's he was a remarkable treasure. of course, he had
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This brain power of his. he had this, he had his salvation. but
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The beautiful thing that we watched eric with him was his
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Ability to be under the control of the holy spirit. when people
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Would get in line to rail on him, to attack him, to yell, to
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Be ugly and throw words at him, i never saw him ruffle. i never
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Saw him get angry. i never saw him go personal and he let them
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Vent themselves. he would answer their question and then
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Always give them the hope that their life could be changed
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Through jesus, and that actually made them more angry.
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But he gave them the truth. and. yeah, pastor jack so well said.
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He was unflappable, i would say. and he did it with a smile on
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His face. i mean, he would just cut through the clutter. these
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Young college kids, god bless them. they're 18, 19, 20, 21.
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They think they know everything. and they'd come up, they'd
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Confront, they'd accost, they'd even insult charlie. he
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Listened patiently with a smile on his face. and then he would
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Give a withering but graceful and factual and gospel rooted
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Response every time. and pastor jack, in real time, you could
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See those kids faces, their countenance change, and in real
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Time you could see a heart and a mind being changed by charlie
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Kirk. he did it all with grace. he did it all with a smile. you
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Know, ronald reagan was called a happy warrior. i think we
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Could say that about charlie. but he was fierce and he was
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Bold. he was murdered today. he was assassinated. but can you
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Talk about the legacy he leaves in terms of. okay, charlie,
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He's in heaven now. he's with our lord and savior. but i
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Believe this is going to galvanize people even more.
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Pastor jack, i don't think i think the devil we've been
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Saying this throughout this broadcast. the devil has
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Overplayed his hand here. i think once the dust settles,
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People process this. they're grieving. they're mourning.
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There will be righteous anger and a new resolve to push
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Forward and finish and move forward with what charlie
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Started. how do you see the movement that he left behind
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And the future of it, especially among gen z, where
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He had so much positive influence? you know, eric, i
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Got to tell you, i think the answer i'm going to give you,
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It came to me in an earlier interview today with one of the
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Networks, and i'm going to use it again because i think it's
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From the lord. the the interviewer asked me, how do
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You how do you feel, charlie kirk shoes? and immediately i
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Just responded, you cannot feel charlie kirk's shoes. we're not
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Supposed to feel his shoes. charlie kirk worked hard to
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Replicate himself in and on university campuses and in
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Churches all around the world. that said, i think, and i agree
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With you, i think what's going to happen now is that not only
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Will those that he leaves behind take up the mantle, but
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I do believe, eric, that there's people right now of the
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Of that gen z generation who's now look, they didn't know
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Chrlie kirk until tonight's news. they're looking right now.
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They're searching. they're listening. they're probably
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Binge watching right now charlie kirk stuff. and they're
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Going to wind up becoming understandably so. one who says
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That guy had something to live for and to die for. and it's
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Truth. you can tell by the effect. and it's not charlie's
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Truth. it was biblically rooted, historically accurate truth.
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And i believe that jesus's words are going to come true on
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This. and that is for charlie. he said, unless a grain of
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Wheat falls and dies into the ground, it abides by itself.
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But if it dies, it brings forth, brings forth much fruit. i
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Think we are going to see a massive increase of what
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Charlie kirk started. yeah, i agree, pastor jack, and he's
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Really a martyr for the gospel. 31 years old. he's a martyr for
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The faith, no doubt. and what the enemy meant for evil. i
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Think god is going to bring good out of this. and pastor
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Jack, we need it. we live in perilous times, dark times,
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Bible times, prophetic times. talk about the moment we're in
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Right now. it's it's a tinderbox right now. we got we
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Have assassination attempts on president trump, a successful,
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If you can call it that, assassination attempt today on
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Charlie kirk. we've got a trans shooter shooting up a catholic
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Church. we've got a young ukrainian refugee brutally
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Murdered on a bus in charlotte, north carolina. if it seems
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That things are spiraling out of control and yet god is still
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On the throne, right? and despite all the madness, could
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You remind us how god is still in control in this moment? and
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The charge we have as followers of jesus to push forward and to
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Be like charlie was bold as lions. yeah, and let's not
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Forget, eric, i know it's been lost in the media news today,
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But today there was a shooting in a school in colorado, and
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There's two kids shot. having said that. what we must do as a
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Country is wake. i'm speaking to the believer. we need to we
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Need to wake up and realize that to have a political
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Revival is not enough. to have an economic revival is not
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Enough. what should precede all of those blessings is a
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Spiritual revival. and and and eric, i'm telling you, pastors
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Have got to get serious about giving out the word of god. we
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See the rise of anti-semitism. we saw the we see the rise of
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Racism. we see the rise of violence. we see just within,
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What, 48 hours or so, the murder of a ukrainian woman who
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Came to this country for peace and for a future snuffed out,
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Just taken away. what's going on? the heart of those who live
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In america must be changed. how? that's. how will that happen?
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Will it happen from the politics? no. will it happen
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From a party? no. the economy? no. it's got to come from the
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Church, eric, you know that. it's got to come from pastors
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That are going to stand strong, give the truth of god out. and
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This is the only hope for the united states. and and here's
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My concern, and i'll be quiet on this. i think we're kind of
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Far down the warning path on this one. god has been warning
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Us even before covid. we better wake up church. we better seize
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The moment for christ and be bold. and now we've got this
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America that is lawless and murderous. and the only answer
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Is the church. of course not the church, but it's jesus
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Christ who is the answer. and islam is being embraced. we're
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Seeing islam spread across texas and all across america,
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And christianity is being persecuted and attacked. we
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Shouldn't be surprised by this, because christianity is the
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Only answer. we need to speak it up and we need to proclaim
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It, or else we're going to lose our window of opportunity.
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Which i do believe. you can hear the hinges starting to
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Creak as it as that door shuts. eric. yeah. pastor jack, it
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Seems that we have a unique opportunity here, a window. we
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Were granted a reprieve, as you said, a political reprieve back
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In november 2024. but this is a spiritual battle. it's so clear
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Today was a demonic act we saw earlier this week in jerusalem,
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Six people murdered a demonic act. can you talk about the
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Level of spiritual warfare? and you know this very well, pastor
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Jack, how we as believers should equip ourselves to wage
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Battle in the heavenlies in the spiritual realm? people might
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Say, wow, that sounds weird, but really, this is a spiritual
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Battle in the unseen realm. this is literally good and evil
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And you are. no one does it better than you, pastor jack,
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In terms of calling on the believer to be bold and to rise
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Up, how should we equip ourselves right now to wage
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This spiritual war, which is increasingly turning physical
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And tangible here in america? yeah. listen, eric, your
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Listeners and your viewers are blessed to have you because it
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Is true. it is a spiritual thing. if somebody thinks
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That's weird, read your bible, dive into the book of first
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Corinthians, first corinthians, second corinthians. know this,
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That we are actually living out in our physical realm, on the
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Battlefield between two worlds. c.s. lewis spoke about this.
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J.r.r. tolkien spoke about this. chesterton spoke about this.
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The bible speaks about this. we are being pulled in one
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Direction or the other, and whatever you invest in is going
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To be a directional to that area. do you want light? do you
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Want hope? do you want direction? do you want
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Salvation? do you want to combat evil? these realms are
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Being lived out in the physical realm that you and i see with
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Our eyes, but they're sourced from the invisible realm, and
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This should be a bit of comfort to all of us. jesus said,
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There'll be days like this in the last days. we are in the
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Last days. so what are we going to do about it? hide under a
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Rock? no friends. listen. read your bible intentionally,
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Carefully and read it to consume it, and then get up
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After you read it and go do it. we don't want to be hearers of
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The word only, but we want to be doers of the word. and in
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Doing this, we are warring against the kingdom of darkness
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That the light of the gospel hope satan hates it and the
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Salvation. every time we share christ with somebody, we are
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Plucking a a gem, as it were, that god's made and the lord
03:13:48.484 --> 03:13:54.023
Has created, and we pluck them out of the crown of satan and
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Bring them into the kingdom of light. we must wake up to the
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Realization it's a spiritual realm. it's being played out in
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The physical arena, and for that we must get our strength
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From god himself. and look, we read the end of the book, eric,
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You and i know it well. we went in the end, but we're not at
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The end yet. until now. we fight and we fight like charlie
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Kirk did. he finished his course. he was faithful. by
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God's grace. he didn't rot away in a hospital bed. he didn't
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Die in a car crash. he didn't have a heart attack. this
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Morning, charlie kirk was assassinated by a political
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Ideology. a a cultural ideology that seeks to destroy any and
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All who oppose it. and charlie, i think maybe is like a canary
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In the cage, proverbially speaking, whereby charlie has
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Lived out and he has given his life as an indicator. we are so
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Far from god. we got to turn back. it's urgent that we turn
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Back. amen. pastor jack hibbs, well said. great insights as
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Always my friend. god bless you, pastor jack, and we're praying
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For you. i know charlie was a close personal friend of yours.
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Thank you for the influence you had in his life, pastor jack.
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We'll see you again soon. and joining us now, our good friend
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Sage steele, host of the sage steele show podcast. sage, it's
03:15:14.403 --> 03:15:19.175
Great to see you usually, and i wish it was under different
03:15:19.175 --> 03:15:23.979
Circumstances. obviously hard to put this into words. what
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Has happened today, what it means for our country and the
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Legacy that charlie kirk left. can you talk a bit about your
03:15:30.052 --> 03:15:33.089
Relationship with charlie and the charlie kirk? you knew he
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Was a lion. he was bold and it went much deeper than politics.
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This was a man of god as well. talk more about him as a
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Husband, a father and a friend. that is what i hope people
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Remember the most. what you just said husband, father,
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Friend. incredible. inspiring. i was always in awe of him. i
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Think hopefully in a healthy way, because i just couldn't
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Believe the maturity, the wisdom in his 31 years and what
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He had accomplished in 31 years. again, in those areas first and
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Foremost, i know of him and he made me better. he made me more
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Courageous. he made me less fearful. the first time i met
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Him was july of 2024, and he and his team invited me to
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Speak at the turning point usa faith summit in palm beach. and
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I remember just being overwhelmed and honored that
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They asked and being so nervous because i wanted to, you know,
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Be good for him. it really changed my life because not
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Only was it for charlie kirk, but it was it was the faith arm
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Of what he was doing with turning point usa, which gave
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Me the courage to keep speaking about faith and realizing what
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Comes from that and how we can influence by, you know,
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Proclaiming our faith. and that's what he did the loudest.
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That's what i don't know, that people are fully focusing on
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Today. i hope that they will continue to do so. he was so
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Kind. i was with him at his first event, turning point usa
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American america fest in december. i sat down with him
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And his wife, erica, separately. i'm going to try to post some
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Clips on my social media of that chat with her, because
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That was so incredible to me. again, these people are like
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Half my age and they're inspiring me because of the way
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They chose to live their life and their wisdom. i was
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Supposed to be on stage with him next week at a church in
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Tennessee and at liberty university next month. i've
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Been thinking about that because a church and obviously
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Liberty university faith based christian university, i hope we
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Can continue to do that because now more than ever, we need to
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Come together and we need to pray together and continue this
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Legacy that charlie began with such courage. and you know this.
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I mean, he knew the dangers. he knew it. he had a huge security
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Team around him, but he felt it was worth it because he saw the
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Difference he was making. and i will forever contend that he's
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One of the most influential americans ever. and i've been
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Saying that for two years. maybe now people will begin to
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Realize how serious this is and how far we've come away from
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Where i think god wants us to be. but i do have hope that we
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Can get to where he does want us. yeah, sage. well said. and
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I share your awe for charlie, 31 years old, one of the most
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Brilliant minds, intellectually curious, a student of history
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That i've ever interviewed. and in terms of his influence that
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He leaves behind. sage the 2024 election. i don't think donald
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Trump wins without two people, elon musk and charlie kirk.
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Charlie, quite literally, i believe, helped to flip the
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2024 election in president trump's favor. he's built a
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Movement, a massive movement. you and i both have kids who
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Are gen z, and the profound impact he's had on that
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Generation sage. he may be gone. he's in heaven right now. he
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May be gone from this earth. he's with the lord right now.
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But can you talk about the legacy he leaves and how i
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Believe this movement isn't snuffed out all of a sudden? i
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Think this is going to galvanize people and charlie's
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Memory, his i'll use the word his martyrdom is only going to
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Inspire people to grow this movement, to be more bold and
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More resilient in the face of evil. how do you see that? i, i
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Love the word that you used, galvanize. i believe that
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You're right. and let's pray that you're right, because that
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Really is our only hope, especially with the youth of
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America, the people that he was trying to help and guide and
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Save, frankly, from the ugliness that they see on
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Tiktok and social media every single day. my three college
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Aged kids all separately called me today in tears and very
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Emotional and scared. but they know politics even a little bit
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Because of charlie kirk. not because of me. because i'm just
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Their dumb mom. right? but it was charlie kirk that
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Introduced them to politics and to caring about being educated
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And knowing what you're talking about. totally agree with you.
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There is no way donald trump wins in november of 2024
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Without charlie kirk. and you can look at the numbers, and we
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Did earlier today from ages 18 to 29, that voting block, that
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Demographic flipped 20% from democrat to republican in 2024.
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That's insane. that's unheard of. and that is because of the
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Video that you're showing right there, that charlie kirk went
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On to these college campuses all the time, would leave his
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Family at 4 a.m. and get back at midnight to talk to these
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Kids, to give them a microphone, to let them feel heard and seen
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After other politicians. kamala harris, hillary clinton had
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Said that they were dumb and stupid and basically useless,
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But he even if he shot them down because they were
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Factually incorrect, he at least let them speak. and he
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Never did so in an ugly, vile way, like so many on the other
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Side. so yes, let's hope and pray and do what we can with
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Our platforms to help galvanize this and to make sure he did
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Not die in vain. i don't believe he did. i believe his
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Legacy will will be even bigger. let's do it for america. let's
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Do it for america. his awesome, beautiful wife. let's do it for
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Those babies that are now fatherless. and because it's
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Just the right thing to hear all people, not just the people
03:21:37.853 --> 03:21:41.356
That you agree with, that's the right way. and and because of
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Him, i know i'm a better human. and no excuses. he did not live
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In fear and neither can we. yeah. no excuses is right. sage
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And i have a gen z daughter, 18 years old, a freshman in
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College. same reaction as your kids. dad. i'm heartbroken.
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Please call me. try to make sense of this. but she also got
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Engaged and became aware politically through charlie.
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Not through me, but through charlie. tiktok, of course.
03:22:11.053 --> 03:22:14.957
Instagram as well, and charlie's viral videos and sage.
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The last thought you can take us out on here. charlie always
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Handled with grace. he was accosted, confrontational on
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These college campuses. i never saw him crack. it was always
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Done with a smile, his responses. but man, they were
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Brilliant responses. and you can see we've been saying you
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Could see it in real time. hearts and minds of these young
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Kids changing on college campuses. there was really no
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One like him. just final thoughts before you go. yeah, i
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Mean, look at how the crowds grew from literally a couple of
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Dozen people when he first started this to thousands more
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Than 2000 in attendance today on at utah valley university.
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Have you ever heard of that school? no. like at all kinds
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Of campuses across this country. and he didn't choose the easy
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One, so to speak. he would go to campuses in the city of san
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Francisco alongside riley gaines, where you talk about
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Unwelcoming and nasty again, putting himself at risk because
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He so believed in the importance of at least
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Educating our youth, letting them feel heard, but then
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Educating them with facts. but he never did it in an ugly
03:23:23.425 --> 03:23:27.763
Manner. that's what's so beautiful about him. also, eric,
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As you know, his brilliance, it was like none other to be
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Sitting next to him on stage, which i was in phoenix just a
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Couple of months ago, and how he can just recite scripture,
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How he can recite parts of the constitution. he never went to
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College. he talked about how much it's overrated based on
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The way that they've been teaching for so many years now.
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His legacy is will be lasting. i don't know that we can fully
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Appreciate today the impact that he has had, but what i do
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Believe is that his impact will be even greater now. but again,
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It is on us to not only uplift him and keep putting out those
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Video clips, but do as charlie has done and would do to try to
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Help others. no more silence. silence is compliance. and look
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Where that has gotten us in so many ways. so like let's let's
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Do it the right way, which is for charlie. and an awful,
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Awful, awful day. i think many of us, most of us will never
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Forget where we were when we heard this news. and now the
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Question is, what do we do with it? and i think that's
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Something we all have to look in the mirror and ask ourselves,
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Amen. say it so well said. light will conquer the darkness.
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Truth will win out. sage steele, thank you so much. god bless
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You, sage. we'll see you again soon. back to sheila walsh now
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With a very special guest. thanks, eric. if you are just
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Joining us, you'll know that regular programing is not
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Happening this evening because of an incident that happened
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Today. our dear friend, tbn contributor charlie kirk, was
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Shot and assassinated today. he was known as someone who had
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Such a heart for a younger generation. he would go on to
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These college campuses and set up his little white tent. and
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He would he would put a sign on it that said, prove me wrong.
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But one of the beautiful things about charlie was that he would
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Listen to what kids had to say. because i think sometimes when
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You're 18, 19, 20 and you think you know everything, you're
03:25:26.281 --> 03:25:29.318
Very aware that those who are older than you don't really
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Listen. charlie was different. charlie listened, but then he
03:25:32.020 --> 03:25:35.657
Would come back with reasoned argument. he was a brilliant
03:25:35.657 --> 03:25:38.927
Man. that great combination of a brilliant mind and a tender
03:25:38.927 --> 03:25:42.764
Heart. and so today we mourn the loss of charlie. and we've
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Had the privilege of speaking to many people throughout the
03:25:47.069 --> 03:25:49.104
Day who were friends, colleagues. and i'm joined now
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By someone we love here at tbn. lance wallnau has been used by
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God in phenomenal ways to look to give us a sign of the times
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Of where we are, of what what god is doing. and, lance, i
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Just want to welcome you and and open up to to you, to
03:26:09.057 --> 03:26:13.128
What's going on in your heart and your mind as you listen to
03:26:13.128 --> 03:26:16.732
All of this. well, those of us that live in the media world, i
03:26:16.732 --> 03:26:20.402
Mean, i had a show i was about to start and then my staff, who
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All goes to turning point events. charlie and eric are
03:26:24.239 --> 03:26:27.042
Friends of ours. we have them speak for our events, and they
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Text me right away. charlie's been shot and i can't tell you
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How it it gave me that feeling. like you said, you everyone
03:26:33.882 --> 03:26:37.252
Will know where they were when they heard that. if they were
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Tracking it all with what's going on in america. and i was
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Trying to make sense of it because i felt like, man,
03:26:42.958 --> 03:26:46.194
There's thousands of people i could talk to. it's a privilege,
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But then you have to make sense of it. and the only thing i
03:26:48.296 --> 03:26:51.900
Could think of is and i think eric stackelbeck said it, i
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Think we have to look at this not from the lens of an
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Assassination, but of a martyrdom, because what charlie
03:26:58.740 --> 03:27:01.576
Represented was a christian giving a worldview on how
03:27:01.576 --> 03:27:04.212
Christians engage the world unis is that one guy said it. i
03:27:04.212 --> 03:27:10.018
Don't know who it was, but it's a really famous communicator.
03:27:10.018 --> 03:27:13.555
He said, charlie kirk, i'm listening to him. this guy is a
03:27:13.555 --> 03:27:17.192
Combination of rush limbaugh and billy graham, and my prayer
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Is that out of the seed of martyrdom, there will spring
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Forth a whole harvest of courageous, articulate, bold
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Reformers who are not going to back down from spiritual truth,
03:27:31.072 --> 03:27:34.176
And who will draw from him the courage and the clarity to be
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Able to look at, listen, everything he's done, he's done
03:27:37.946 --> 03:27:40.315
Openly. so you can see it on youtube. it's a billion views
03:27:40.315 --> 03:27:43.985
Out there. aggregately you can look at his arguments and the
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And what you find on the campuses is that most of the
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Students that were debating him were telling him what they were
03:27:51.226 --> 03:27:54.262
Taught to think, but they were engaging someone who knew how
03:27:54.262 --> 03:27:58.533
To think. and the opportunity we have is to give a reason for
03:27:58.533 --> 03:28:01.837
The hope that is in us. i thought about acts where
03:28:01.837 --> 03:28:05.106
Stephen arose, and there were the alexandrians and cilicia
03:28:05.106 --> 03:28:10.045
And asia. they rose up and argued with stephen, but they
03:28:10.045 --> 03:28:13.348
Were not able to cope with the wisdom and the spirit with
03:28:13.348 --> 03:28:16.551
Which he was speaking. we live to see that someone who could
03:28:16.551 --> 03:28:20.455
Speak with the wisdom and spirit of god that you couldn't
03:28:20.455 --> 03:28:23.191
Cope with, and that's the reason why the enemy made him
03:28:23.191 --> 03:28:26.862
Like public enemy number one. but he out of that is going to
03:28:26.862 --> 03:28:31.032
Raise up, i believe, an army these young people are going to
03:28:31.032 --> 03:28:35.670
Be. so i know they're going to be experienced trauma over this,
03:28:35.670 --> 03:28:38.607
Because i know some of the young gals, 4000 of them that
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Are young women, that would go to the meetings and him and his
03:28:40.976 --> 03:28:44.279
Wife had here in dallas. and i can imagine he was like a
03:28:44.279 --> 03:28:47.182
Father figure to a movement. a lot of parents the kids
03:28:47.182 --> 03:28:50.352
Couldn't relate to. charlie could be that person. so i pray
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That the vengeance of god raises up a dozen more charlie
03:28:53.154 --> 03:28:56.191
Kirks, who go forth to the north, south, east and west and
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Continue the movement of reaching that next generation.
03:29:00.729 --> 03:29:03.899
Powerful word. absolutely. what do you sense that is going on
03:29:03.899 --> 03:29:08.103
In our nation? it seems like people are getting angrier,
03:29:08.103 --> 03:29:11.239
More polarized. but i feel as almost as if as the church,
03:29:11.239 --> 03:29:15.176
This is a huge wake up call for us to know who we are, who we
03:29:15.176 --> 03:29:19.848
Are, what we believe, and how we share that. yeah, listen,
03:29:19.848 --> 03:29:24.219
There's a reason why charlie kirk would be a target like
03:29:24.219 --> 03:29:26.988
That. unlike many pastors who are awkward about talking about
03:29:26.988 --> 03:29:30.959
Current events, social events, controversial subjects, charlie
03:29:30.959 --> 03:29:34.796
Had no problem going in there and filling that void. so to
03:29:34.796 --> 03:29:38.366
Make sense of it, you have to realize our side is not getting
03:29:38.366 --> 03:29:42.404
Angry. i mean, listen to us. we're not doing george floyd,
03:29:42.404 --> 03:29:45.173
Right? preparation right now. we're not dropping off bricks
03:29:45.173 --> 03:29:47.208
In the middle of the city to go riot. what we're doing is we're
03:29:47.208 --> 03:29:51.646
Grieving because the real crazy is, frankly, on the left. the
03:29:51.646 --> 03:29:56.184
Moment that charlie was shot, the question he was dealing
03:29:56.184 --> 03:29:58.219
With was trans violence as a trend. imagine that. talking
03:29:58.219 --> 03:30:02.123
About violence on the left when he was shot. so our side just
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Has to maintain a spiritual composure and realize revivals
03:30:07.095 --> 03:30:10.465
Have one level of warfare. but reformation stirs up very big
03:30:10.465 --> 03:30:15.303
Principalities. charlie is a forerunner of a reformation
03:30:15.303 --> 03:30:18.840
Movement. we're changing institutions, education being
03:30:18.840 --> 03:30:22.410
One of them. he's going to he's going to impact that. now.
03:30:22.410 --> 03:30:26.214
Government is another, media is another. and i think what
03:30:26.214 --> 03:30:29.184
You're seeing on the left is the frustrated derangement of
03:30:29.184 --> 03:30:32.454
Not being able to give an answer, which is what they did
03:30:32.454 --> 03:30:35.357
To stephen when they couldn't deal with it. they stirred up
03:30:35.357 --> 03:30:39.027
The people and dragged him away where they accused him falsely,
03:30:39.027 --> 03:30:42.964
Even on the left. right now you hear the dumbest comments
03:30:42.964 --> 03:30:46.134
Because they don't understand that he wasn't speaking hate,
03:30:46.134 --> 03:30:49.404
He was speaking truth. he was stirring up demonic hate
03:30:49.404 --> 03:30:53.074
Because of the truth, just like stephen. wow. and yet, when i
03:30:53.074 --> 03:30:57.045
Think of those last moments of stephen's life, when when his
03:30:57.045 --> 03:31:00.882
Face just glowed and christ was standing at the right hand of
03:31:00.882 --> 03:31:05.053
The father. oh my god, i mean, can you imagine there's nothing
03:31:05.053 --> 03:31:08.890
Greater in this universe than having a standing ovation from
03:31:08.890 --> 03:31:11.359
The king of kings and the lord of lords? i just feel these are
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Days that we just want to. to take up that baton that charlie
03:31:15.463 --> 03:31:19.100
Had to put down today and pick it up and not be afraid anymore
03:31:19.100 --> 03:31:23.605
Because we know who we are. totally. and there's there are
03:31:23.605 --> 03:31:28.376
Times in history, like with stephen, when it's as though
03:31:28.376 --> 03:31:31.946
The lord says, this young man in his 30s, with the great
03:31:31.946 --> 03:31:35.316
Potential of a great ministry in front of him, he gets cut
03:31:35.316 --> 03:31:38.319
Off in his youth, and it's as though god put his finger down
03:31:38.319 --> 03:31:41.956
And said that one will cost you. and i'm telling you, this one
03:31:41.956 --> 03:31:45.660
Is going to cost hell, because what came out of that was a
03:31:45.660 --> 03:31:49.330
Young man who was also there consenting to the martyrdom of
03:31:49.330 --> 03:31:53.702
Stephen, who got apprehended. his name was saul, who became
03:31:53.702 --> 03:31:57.105
Paul of tarsus. paul arguably became the recipient of the
03:31:57.105 --> 03:32:00.875
Mantle of stephen and went as a wrecking ball throughout
03:32:00.875 --> 03:32:03.845
History. wow, wow, that is powerful. i would be so
03:32:03.845 --> 03:32:08.016
Grateful. i know that you're a very busy man, but would you
03:32:08.016 --> 03:32:11.619
Pray for our audience that we would be awake to the times
03:32:11.619 --> 03:32:14.189
That we're living in? yeah. and, you know, and and even so, they
03:32:14.189 --> 03:32:18.026
Knew stephen was in heaven. they knew that he's his last
03:32:18.026 --> 03:32:21.229
Words were, father, forgive them. and i see jesus. and yet
03:32:21.229 --> 03:32:24.099
The bible says there was a great lamentation. there's a
03:32:24.099 --> 03:32:27.969
Very human grieving. i mean, my wife was crying when i got home.
03:32:27.969 --> 03:32:31.106
I'm fighting tears right now. the human grieving is because
03:32:31.106 --> 03:32:34.609
Precious in the sight of the lord is the death of his saints.
03:32:34.609 --> 03:32:38.179
The word precious means it costs you. when we get someone
03:32:38.179 --> 03:32:41.282
Like this, that's rare. it costs us something. but i pray
03:32:41.282 --> 03:32:44.419
Right now, in the name of jesus, that those who are the most
03:32:44.419 --> 03:32:47.655
Impacted and and grieving over this loss will find in them the
03:32:47.655 --> 03:32:52.093
Catalyst, the call, the flame, the spark, the courage to go
03:32:52.093 --> 03:32:56.131
Forth into your territory and be a bold witness. you are able
03:32:56.131 --> 03:33:01.136
To defend the truth. you're able to have the spirit of
03:33:01.136 --> 03:33:04.005
Wisdom. you're able to do what this young man modeled for you.
03:33:04.005 --> 03:33:08.176
I pray for an impartation of courage and capacity into us as
03:33:08.176 --> 03:33:12.347
A movement that it will not stop, but it will multiply from
03:33:12.347 --> 03:33:15.450
This day forth. in jesus name, jesus name, amen. thank you so
03:33:15.450 --> 03:33:20.221
Much for taking time out to join us this evening. we're so
03:33:20.221 --> 03:33:23.258
Grateful. thank you. amen and pray for erica, that girl and
03:33:23.258 --> 03:33:27.262
His children. i mean, may the grace of god just encircle them
03:33:27.262 --> 03:33:31.032
In a special way. beautiful family in jesus name. thank you.
03:33:31.032 --> 03:33:35.036
Lance. we're going to be joined now by a dear friend of mine,
03:33:35.036 --> 03:33:38.940
Someone who has such a heart for reaching a younger
03:33:38.940 --> 03:33:43.111
Generation, who has used not just his music, but his words
03:33:43.111 --> 03:33:46.247
In such a powerful way. matthew west, it is so lovely to have
03:33:46.247 --> 03:33:50.318
You with us, and under these circumstances, matthew, it's so
03:33:50.318 --> 03:33:54.522
Hard. but i just wondering, you know, where were you when you
03:33:54.522 --> 03:33:58.059
Heard about this and how is this impacting you? well,
03:33:58.059 --> 03:34:02.831
Thanks for having me, sheila. and, you know, first just let
03:34:02.831 --> 03:34:06.201
Me say when when you reached out for me to hop on, i had to
03:34:06.201 --> 03:34:11.005
Pray to decide, is this the right thing to hop on right now?
03:34:11.005 --> 03:34:15.043
When i'm kind of angry about what i've just witnessed, you
03:34:15.043 --> 03:34:18.012
Know? and so i asked the lord just to to calm me and help me
03:34:18.012 --> 03:34:22.083
Speak with the same boldness, courage and humility that i
03:34:22.083 --> 03:34:25.253
Feel like charlie kirk demonstrated so well in
03:34:25.253 --> 03:34:28.957
Everything that he did. i was in a songwriting session today
03:34:28.957 --> 03:34:32.961
Here in nashville. i'm actually in my home studio here. it's
03:34:32.961 --> 03:34:36.598
Called the story house. right? when the news broke and my
03:34:36.598 --> 03:34:39.567
Co-writers and i, i was actually with bart millard from
03:34:39.567 --> 03:34:43.037
Mercy me. i was with his son, who's a young recording artist,
03:34:43.037 --> 03:34:46.341
And we were literally writing a song about joy. wow. and we get
03:34:46.341 --> 03:34:51.079
This news and just we, we brought everything to a
03:34:51.079 --> 03:34:55.283
Screeching halt and, and just have been praying for charlie's
03:34:55.283 --> 03:34:58.586
Wife and children and loved ones just ever since then.
03:34:58.586 --> 03:35:03.324
Today. and we got my wife and my daughters came home from
03:35:03.324 --> 03:35:06.227
School and we just gathered together and just have been
03:35:06.227 --> 03:35:10.064
Praying, just heartbroken by what we've witnessed today. you
03:35:10.064 --> 03:35:13.935
Know, it's it's so interesting. we've i've heard from so many
03:35:13.935 --> 03:35:17.272
Different people, pastors and those who knew charlie and
03:35:17.272 --> 03:35:20.141
Talked about that so often. the enemy overplays his hand, you
03:35:20.141 --> 03:35:24.279
Know, you think to snuff out a life like that silences his
03:35:24.279 --> 03:35:27.949
Voice. but the number of young people who followed charlie
03:35:27.949 --> 03:35:31.519
Kirk on tiktok, the i mean, the millions of people who listen
03:35:31.519 --> 03:35:36.991
To him, it's really our prayer that through this, that these
03:35:36.991 --> 03:35:41.262
Young people will rise up. i mean, anger is understandable.
03:35:41.262 --> 03:35:45.300
Grief is present. but what i'm praying for is that from this,
03:35:45.300 --> 03:35:51.272
God will birth something far, far greater. i couldn't agree
03:35:51.272 --> 03:35:56.444
With you more and it's been nothing short of just a miracle
03:35:56.444 --> 03:36:01.249
To see how his voice and the voice of many others has has
03:36:01.249 --> 03:36:05.253
Spoken truth and faith and love and hope and patriotism and
03:36:05.253 --> 03:36:11.192
Reaching and stirring a younger generation. i see it in my own
03:36:11.192 --> 03:36:14.362
Daughters as well, going and to think about, you know, there's
03:36:14.362 --> 03:36:18.132
Some scriptures that are easy to quote at times and harder to
03:36:18.132 --> 03:36:22.103
To grasp at other times. and i think about the words of paul
03:36:22.103 --> 03:36:25.940
That reminds us that that god can somehow work all things for
03:36:25.940 --> 03:36:29.143
The good of those who love him and are called according to his
03:36:29.143 --> 03:36:32.547
Purpose. and this is one of those moments where i'm like,
03:36:32.547 --> 03:36:35.516
Oh, i believe that's true. and yet it's it's it's like we have
03:36:35.516 --> 03:36:40.054
To just trust and believe that somehow god is going to
03:36:40.054 --> 03:36:43.024
Continue to do a work and continue to stir in the hearts
03:36:43.024 --> 03:36:45.860
Of people like i feel he's stirring in my heart even
03:36:45.860 --> 03:36:48.229
Tonight, to think right down to this guy's last breath, he was
03:36:48.229 --> 03:36:52.066
Boldly and courageously speaking truth and exercising
03:36:52.066 --> 03:36:55.036
His right to free speech. may we feel that same stirring to
03:36:55.036 --> 03:36:59.307
Do that right to our right, down to our last breath, and to
03:36:59.307 --> 03:37:03.845
Be reminded that every breath is sacred. every second we get
03:37:03.845 --> 03:37:07.081
In this life is a gift. and charlie kirk ran his race well,
03:37:07.081 --> 03:37:10.885
And i believe he's heard the father say, well done, thou
03:37:10.885 --> 03:37:14.355
Good and faithful servant. and so i've just felt a stirring on
03:37:14.355 --> 03:37:17.325
Lord, i don't want to make this about me, but let it stir
03:37:17.325 --> 03:37:21.195
Within me and do your work in my life, because i want to be
03:37:21.195 --> 03:37:25.133
Bold. you know the things that charlie stood up for and spoke
03:37:25.133 --> 03:37:27.869
For. sheila, you and i both know we've spent our lives
03:37:27.869 --> 03:37:31.172
Doing the same, and these are things. i mean, he spoke about
03:37:31.172 --> 03:37:34.842
Faith, family and freedom, and these are things that have been
03:37:34.842 --> 03:37:39.047
Deemed as hate speech by so many in our world. and i think
03:37:39.047 --> 03:37:42.083
About, you know, you know, who else they hated. they hated
03:37:42.083 --> 03:37:45.386
Jesus. and, and, and the thought that we are standing up
03:37:45.386 --> 03:37:49.357
For what we believe may come at a cost, is that going to cause
03:37:49.357 --> 03:37:53.194
Us to be quiet? well, in charlie's case, it caused him
03:37:53.194 --> 03:37:56.130
To be louder, and he did it with love and respect. and it
03:37:56.130 --> 03:38:00.134
Stirs in me the desire to do the same. yeah. i was thinking
03:38:00.134 --> 03:38:03.571
Of when jesus sat down on the mount of olives with his
03:38:03.571 --> 03:38:06.340
Closest friends toward the end, and told this story of this
03:38:06.340 --> 03:38:10.044
Parable of a master going away and entrusting different people
03:38:10.044 --> 03:38:12.180
With different amounts of money. and when he came back that the
03:38:12.180 --> 03:38:16.184
One who had been given five talents had ten, the one who
03:38:16.184 --> 03:38:19.754
Had given two had four, and the one who was given one thought,
03:38:19.754 --> 03:38:22.223
Well, you know what? this is not as great as everybody else,
03:38:22.223 --> 03:38:25.426
And i know what you're like. i don't trust you. and he buried
03:38:25.426 --> 03:38:28.229
It. and the only people who heard well done, good and
03:38:28.229 --> 03:38:31.099
Faithful servant were those who took what god had put in their
03:38:31.099 --> 03:38:34.969
Hands and used it for the kingdom. and that's why i know
03:38:34.969 --> 03:38:39.073
That charlie heard that when he crossed that last minute, he
03:38:39.073 --> 03:38:42.110
Took his last breath on this earth, and his first breath in
03:38:42.110 --> 03:38:45.113
The presence of jesus. he heard that because he took the gifts
03:38:45.113 --> 03:38:49.050
That god placed in his hands, and he used them for the
03:38:49.050 --> 03:38:53.321
Kingdom, and they multiplied and multiplied. and i think
03:38:53.321 --> 03:38:56.224
We're going to see that in the years to come. the seeds that
03:38:56.224 --> 03:38:59.627
Fell into the ground today, the fruit they will bring. and
03:38:59.627 --> 03:39:02.763
Honestly, matthew, i want to hear the song you write after
03:39:02.763 --> 03:39:06.534
This. man. it's, you know, if i was writing it right now, it'd
03:39:06.534 --> 03:39:11.205
Be one filled with with questions and honest questions
03:39:11.205 --> 03:39:14.208
Saying, lord, where are you, lord? i believe, i believe that
03:39:14.208 --> 03:39:18.312
The enemy does not have the final say in this world. but
03:39:18.312 --> 03:39:21.115
Man, if i'm being honest, there's moments that even
03:39:21.115 --> 03:39:23.918
Though i know my faith is built on a firm foundation sometimes.
03:39:23.918 --> 03:39:27.121
Sheila, don't we look around at this world and we look at the
03:39:27.121 --> 03:39:30.992
The terrible killing that took place in charlotte, north
03:39:30.992 --> 03:39:34.529
Carolina? i mean, it seems like bad news on bad news on bad
03:39:34.529 --> 03:39:38.432
News. and i know you're you're on the news a lot. and you, you
03:39:38.432 --> 03:39:42.403
You see this firsthand. we all watch it. and there's just
03:39:42.403 --> 03:39:45.373
Moments where even as followers of christ, in our most honest
03:39:45.373 --> 03:39:48.176
Moments, we say, oh, jesus, we need you now more than ever.
03:39:48.176 --> 03:39:51.913
And so let these moments bring us to our knees. and i love
03:39:51.913 --> 03:39:55.383
What you said about charlie. those seeds that were planted.
03:39:55.383 --> 03:39:58.052
And man, isn't it powerful to think that god has each and
03:39:58.052 --> 03:40:01.022
Every one of us with an assignment in this life, and
03:40:01.022 --> 03:40:04.225
May we live it out in such a way where we get to plant those
03:40:04.225 --> 03:40:08.296
Types of seeds. i heard somebody say, i think it was
03:40:08.296 --> 03:40:11.032
Lee strobel. i was listening on a podcast the other day and he
03:40:11.032 --> 03:40:13.968
Was talking about he's like, listen, ever since jesus
03:40:13.968 --> 03:40:16.170
Changed my life, i've been on a mission to drag as many people
03:40:16.170 --> 03:40:19.140
To heaven with me. and my friend tim tebow said it
03:40:19.140 --> 03:40:22.910
Another way. he said, all i know is this when i get to
03:40:22.910 --> 03:40:26.247
Heaven, i want to be totally exhausted, right? he was
03:40:26.247 --> 03:40:29.116
Putting it in football terms. he said, i want to leave it all
03:40:29.116 --> 03:40:32.920
On the field. and and just moments like this just make you
03:40:32.920 --> 03:40:35.823
Think about that and you look at and why does it stir that
03:40:35.823 --> 03:40:39.160
Within us? it's because we've watched somebody who's done
03:40:39.160 --> 03:40:41.395
That. and he stood up for his faith, and it's come at the
03:40:41.395 --> 03:40:44.899
Ultimate cost. he laid down his life. i heard somebody say
03:40:44.899 --> 03:40:48.236
Earlier on the news, benny johnson just he literally
03:40:48.236 --> 03:40:50.238
Called it out. he said, charlie is a martyr. yeah. and he's a
03:40:50.238 --> 03:40:54.175
Christian martyr right here today. and we want to honor his
03:40:54.175 --> 03:40:58.145
Bold stance of faith. and it came at the ultimate cost. and,
03:40:58.145 --> 03:41:02.116
You know, i just i want to like lee strobel said, i want to
03:41:02.116 --> 03:41:06.921
Bring as many people to heaven with me. one of the things i
03:41:06.921 --> 03:41:09.991
Love about lee, he's one of my dearest friends, is that
03:41:09.991 --> 03:41:12.893
Whenever he's at the airport, he will tweet out, okay, i'm at
03:41:12.893 --> 03:41:16.197
Gate b25 anybody who wants to come and talk, particularly if
03:41:16.197 --> 03:41:18.933
You don't really think you like god, come and talk to me. i
03:41:18.933 --> 03:41:21.902
Think there's such a i love that i know it's wonderful. and
03:41:21.902 --> 03:41:25.172
People do. people come and they meet him and they talk just
03:41:25.172 --> 03:41:28.109
Like charlie did. charlie was willing to sit down and listen
03:41:28.109 --> 03:41:30.845
To people who did not agree with him, and people would
03:41:30.845 --> 03:41:34.115
Insult him and throw all sorts of things in his direction. but
03:41:34.115 --> 03:41:37.718
Because he because he used the gifts that christ placed in him,
03:41:37.718 --> 03:41:42.023
He studied. he knew the word of god. he knew history. he was
03:41:42.023 --> 03:41:46.093
Able to give a reasoned explanation, as you know says
03:41:46.093 --> 03:41:48.896
In in peter, always be ready to give a reason for the hope that
03:41:48.896 --> 03:41:53.501
Is within you. and i think we saw that through charlie. it's
03:41:53.501 --> 03:41:57.171
So true. and that term always be ready. and i think about i
03:41:57.171 --> 03:42:02.243
Was so excited, by the way, speaking of charlie, his
03:42:02.243 --> 03:42:04.211
Ability, just his incredible gift of knowledge and speaking
03:42:04.211 --> 03:42:09.150
And learning more about his life, i was excited in just a
03:42:09.150 --> 03:42:11.919
Couple of weeks, we were scheduled to be at an event
03:42:11.919 --> 03:42:15.056
Together at pastor allen jackson church in murfreesboro,
03:42:15.056 --> 03:42:17.024
Tennessee, and i was so excited i was going to be. i'm going to
03:42:17.024 --> 03:42:20.895
Be leading worship in a couple of weeks, and i feel like
03:42:20.895 --> 03:42:24.131
That's probably going to turn into a beautiful time of
03:42:24.131 --> 03:42:25.966
Tribute and honoring the life of charlie. but i was excited
03:42:25.966 --> 03:42:29.303
To hear him speak. and, you know, i got to tell you, i've
03:42:29.303 --> 03:42:32.206
Thought so many times about that. what does it look like to
03:42:32.206 --> 03:42:35.009
Always be ready? and if i'm honest in my life, there's been
03:42:35.009 --> 03:42:38.479
So many times where i've maybe been chosen to be spiritually
03:42:38.479 --> 03:42:41.716
Asleep, where i know god's given me an opportunity to
03:42:41.716 --> 03:42:44.985
Share my faith with someone. and yet i've kind of closed my
03:42:44.985 --> 03:42:48.089
Eyes. i don't know if you saw this video on instagram not
03:42:48.089 --> 03:42:51.425
Long ago. it was a video of a horse that the owners of the
03:42:51.425 --> 03:42:55.162
Horse couldn't get the horse to do any work. every time they
03:42:55.162 --> 03:42:57.998
Mount the horse, the horse would lie down, close his eyes
03:42:57.998 --> 03:43:01.202
And pretend to be asleep, and they would give him carrots and
03:43:01.202 --> 03:43:04.038
He wouldn't even take the bait until everybody left. and then
03:43:04.038 --> 03:43:06.474
He'd get back up, eat his carrot. and i'll tell you, i
03:43:06.474 --> 03:43:09.944
Know it might sound weird, but that little instagram video it.
03:43:09.944 --> 03:43:13.214
The lord spoke to me and said, matthew, how many times have
03:43:13.214 --> 03:43:16.217
You been spiritually asleep like that? like, how many times
03:43:16.217 --> 03:43:19.086
Have you pretended not to notice an opportunity? and
03:43:19.086 --> 03:43:22.256
Instead of always being ready, you were too quick to quiet
03:43:22.256 --> 03:43:25.593
Down, back off, or pretend you didn't notice an opportunity to
03:43:25.593 --> 03:43:29.230
Speak the truth. so in examples like charlie's and like lee
03:43:29.230 --> 03:43:33.000
Said at an airport, just welcoming people who, you know
03:43:33.000 --> 03:43:37.004
And being ready doesn't mean always feeling qualified. no.
03:43:37.004 --> 03:43:40.574
Right. i mean, imagine i've seen so many interviews and
03:43:40.574 --> 03:43:44.111
Sheila, you have as well, where charlie would welcome anybody
03:43:44.111 --> 03:43:47.214
To the microphone. and that's kind of scary to think about.
03:43:47.214 --> 03:43:51.018
Like anybody could ask him any question about any topic. and
03:43:51.018 --> 03:43:55.923
That just shows me that charlie was somebody who does. what i
03:43:55.923 --> 03:43:59.160
Hope to do sometimes is when i don't know the answers, i want
03:43:59.160 --> 03:44:02.129
To say, lord, don't let it be my words. like i don't want it
03:44:02.129 --> 03:44:05.166
To be my words. talking to you right now. help me to despise
03:44:05.166 --> 03:44:08.903
My own words and help me to wholly and completely lean on
03:44:08.903 --> 03:44:12.139
You for the guidance and trust that the holy spirit is going
03:44:12.139 --> 03:44:15.142
To give me the right words to say at the right time, and
03:44:15.142 --> 03:44:18.179
Plant the right seed, and then let him do the rest of the work.
03:44:18.179 --> 03:44:21.081
You know, matthew, i was talking earlier to graham, who
03:44:21.081 --> 03:44:24.518
Was a friend of charlie's. they worked together for for years.
03:44:24.518 --> 03:44:26.987
And he said way back in the beginning when charlie was
03:44:26.987 --> 03:44:29.490
Starting and they were speaking at a university in florida, and
03:44:29.490 --> 03:44:32.226
They felt this kind of wave of heaviness, this was not going
03:44:32.226 --> 03:44:35.396
To be an easy place to speak. and, and graham said the first
03:44:35.396 --> 03:44:39.200
Thing that charlie did was he said, okay, guys, come on,
03:44:39.200 --> 03:44:42.136
Let's hold hands. we're going to pray. we're going to pray
03:44:42.136 --> 03:44:44.872
That what comes out of my mouth, not my words, but god's words.
03:44:44.872 --> 03:44:49.543
I think that's a wonderful prayer, actually, for all of us.
03:44:49.543 --> 03:44:53.147
And how cool is it? i mean, how inspirational is it when i
03:44:53.147 --> 03:44:57.284
Think of first timothy 412 says, don't let anyone look down on
03:44:57.284 --> 03:45:00.221
You because you are young, but set an example for the
03:45:00.221 --> 03:45:03.457
Believers. i gotta tell you, you know, seeing back to what
03:45:03.457 --> 03:45:06.861
You were saying at the beginning about charlie's
03:45:06.861 --> 03:45:08.996
Unique influence on a young generation, right? not just to
03:45:08.996 --> 03:45:12.900
Stand up for free speech, not just to stand up for
03:45:12.900 --> 03:45:15.870
Conservative values, but to stand up for jesus. and
03:45:15.870 --> 03:45:19.106
Pointing people to jesus at every turn has had a profound
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Impact, even on, like my daughters, i have a college
03:45:21.141 --> 03:45:24.378
Aged daughter right now who's attending a christian school
03:45:24.378 --> 03:45:28.082
And who comes home from her first day of bible class, and
03:45:28.082 --> 03:45:32.853
The professor is completely unraveling the truth and the
03:45:32.853 --> 03:45:36.590
Relevance of god's word. wow. and i tell you what, if i was
03:45:36.590 --> 03:45:41.128
More concerned about my daughter's firm foundation, i'd
03:45:41.128 --> 03:45:44.999
Be pulling her out of that class, but instead she was the
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One raising her hand saying, excuse me. and in many ways,
03:45:48.602 --> 03:45:51.939
Following the example of a young, bold follower like
03:45:51.939 --> 03:45:57.978
Charlie kirk choosing to stand up, not back down, and to stand
03:45:57.978 --> 03:46:02.016
Firm in your beliefs, that inspires me and it gives me
03:46:02.016 --> 03:46:06.987
Hope. even in a dark and hurting world. it gives me hope
03:46:06.987 --> 03:46:09.957
For the future ahead. absolutely, absolutely. matthew,
03:46:09.957 --> 03:46:13.060
Thank you so much for joining us. and we pray that that the
03:46:13.060 --> 03:46:15.996
Event that you go to that that god's presence will be there
03:46:15.996 --> 03:46:20.167
And that you, even in your own life, will see fruit come from
03:46:20.167 --> 03:46:24.171
This tragedy. we we love you, matthew west. thank you sheila.
03:46:24.171 --> 03:46:28.375
Thanks for what you do and all of our hearts, our prayers.
03:46:28.375 --> 03:46:32.179
Last thing i'm going to say is this sheila, this lost and
03:46:32.179 --> 03:46:35.115
Hurting world that doesn't believe in god also tends to
03:46:35.115 --> 03:46:38.118
Mock when we say we're praying and they say, oh, thoughts and
03:46:38.118 --> 03:46:42.256
Prayers do no, do no good, right? i've seen it on my own
03:46:42.256 --> 03:46:45.292
Social media time and time again. when i reach out and say,
03:46:45.292 --> 03:46:49.063
Don't stop praying and they say, oh, prayers do no good. but man,
03:46:49.063 --> 03:46:52.166
As a follower of christ, we believe that what it says in
03:46:52.166 --> 03:46:55.336
James is true. if you draw near to god, he will draw near to
03:46:55.336 --> 03:46:59.306
You. the creator of the universe leans in to hear us
03:46:59.306 --> 03:47:02.142
Even when we cry out to him, especially when we cry out to
03:47:02.142 --> 03:47:06.013
Him with broken hearts. in times like these, so may we be
03:47:06.013 --> 03:47:09.016
Hitting our knees and continuing to pray for
03:47:09.016 --> 03:47:11.919
Charlie's family and for our nation. yeah. thank you matthew.
03:47:11.919 --> 03:47:16.156
Thanks for being with us. and now i'm going to be joined by
03:47:16.156 --> 03:47:19.193
Pastor alan jackson. pastor, it's so hard to find words at a
03:47:19.193 --> 03:47:24.064
Time like this. i mean, it's we're in shock, but i know that
03:47:24.064 --> 03:47:28.168
You you have faithfully pastored for years. when
03:47:28.168 --> 03:47:32.006
Something like this happens, what do you say to us as a
03:47:32.006 --> 03:47:37.211
Pastor? well, sheila, i think you're right. and we're all in
03:47:37.211 --> 03:47:41.448
Shock. you know, whatever your perspective was on charlie kirk,
03:47:41.448 --> 03:47:44.885
When there's a tragedy like this and you hear the news with
03:47:44.885 --> 03:47:48.656
Any compassion, i think it leaves you in a state of shock.
03:47:48.656 --> 03:47:52.626
And i think there's layers to it. there'll be there's time as
03:47:52.626 --> 03:47:55.029
We walk through this to celebrate charlie's life,
03:47:55.029 --> 03:47:57.197
Because it's a life that's worth celebrating. his family
03:47:57.197 --> 03:47:59.199
Certainly deserve our prayers. whatever we can do to provide
03:47:59.199 --> 03:48:02.836
Comfort for them. it's overwhelming for erica and the
03:48:02.836 --> 03:48:05.239
Children. i mean, you've already addressed that today,
03:48:05.239 --> 03:48:08.008
But i think, you know, for everybody that's listening,
03:48:08.008 --> 03:48:10.544
Grief is a part of this. death is a part of life. i have done,
03:48:10.544 --> 03:48:14.248
As you said, funerals with hundreds of families and death
03:48:14.248 --> 03:48:17.351
Is very seldom welcome. and so it leaves us with a whole
03:48:17.351 --> 03:48:20.854
Multitude of emotions and different emotions. come, you
03:48:20.854 --> 03:48:24.625
Know, all the all the elements of emotion that come with grief.
03:48:24.625 --> 03:48:27.194
They come to visit, but you don't want them to stay. so if
03:48:27.194 --> 03:48:30.130
You're overwhelmed with sadness, it's appropriate to weep for
03:48:30.130 --> 03:48:33.200
Charlie. you may be angry, and it's appropriate to be angry
03:48:33.200 --> 03:48:36.503
When a life is terminated. it seemingly is far short of what
03:48:36.503 --> 03:48:40.007
It should have been. there's a there's a host of emotions, but
03:48:40.007 --> 03:48:42.943
You don't want to welcome them as as permanent residents. you
03:48:42.943 --> 03:48:46.146
Welcome them. you walk through those emotions and then you
03:48:46.146 --> 03:48:48.115
Move forward. because the reality is that we have to move
03:48:48.115 --> 03:48:51.385
Beyond death and we haven't done that. there's a shock.
03:48:51.385 --> 03:48:55.222
We're going to grieve for charlie. we're going to grieve
03:48:55.222 --> 03:48:57.558
With his family, but we're going to go forward. yeah. and
03:48:57.558 --> 03:49:01.328
We will overcome this. you know, the awkward reality is charlie
03:49:01.328 --> 03:49:05.365
Has become a martyr for the truths that he espoused. and
03:49:05.365 --> 03:49:08.135
They were they weren't primarily political. they were
03:49:08.135 --> 03:49:11.004
Given expression in a political realm because that's the way
03:49:11.004 --> 03:49:13.874
Authorities expressed in our nation. but charlie was
03:49:13.874 --> 03:49:17.010
Fundamentally an advocate for a biblical worldview, and that
03:49:17.010 --> 03:49:19.713
Was not diminished. today. god's intent in the earth has
03:49:19.713 --> 03:49:24.451
Not been diminished. no. you know, a fellow traveler, a
03:49:24.451 --> 03:49:28.589
Fellow, a voice amongst us has been silenced. but the one who
03:49:28.589 --> 03:49:32.926
Called that voice into existence hasn't been silenced.
03:49:32.926 --> 03:49:35.462
And for the people listening that are either frightened or
03:49:35.462 --> 03:49:38.398
Terrified or overwhelmed with grief, it's appropriate in the
03:49:38.398 --> 03:49:41.435
Moment, but then turn loose of those things and pick back up
03:49:41.435 --> 03:49:45.405
The god who deserves our attention. we can grieve with
03:49:45.405 --> 03:49:48.909
Those who grieve, but then we will walk forward into the
03:49:48.909 --> 03:49:51.979
Balance of this day and the new day that will come in the
03:49:51.979 --> 03:49:54.915
Morning with a hope that is transcendent. that's very
03:49:54.915 --> 03:49:58.385
Difficult in the midst of a tragedy. but in this 24 hour
03:49:58.385 --> 03:50:02.222
News cycle that we have, we face tragedies on a regular
03:50:02.222 --> 03:50:06.560
Basis, and this time the message cannot be diminished.
03:50:06.560 --> 03:50:09.263
The messenger won't be diminished. his legacy will be
03:50:09.263 --> 03:50:12.332
With us. yeah. you know, i was thinking of that passage in
03:50:12.332 --> 03:50:16.170
Good things he has for us. i was thinking of that passage in
03:50:16.170 --> 03:50:20.073
In the revelation given to john on patmos, where it says they
03:50:20.073 --> 03:50:23.010
Have overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of their
03:50:23.010 --> 03:50:26.914
Testimony, for they loved not their life even unto death. and
03:50:26.914 --> 03:50:30.918
I see that in the life of charlie kirk, someone who stood
03:50:30.918 --> 03:50:35.389
For what he believed in and was coming, as eric had said
03:50:35.389 --> 03:50:39.226
Earlier on, was growing and growing in his faith. and i
03:50:39.226 --> 03:50:43.163
Think for me, and you can address this better as a pastor
03:50:43.163 --> 03:50:47.334
Of many years, but i find tremendous comfort in the
03:50:47.334 --> 03:50:50.037
Psalms. i think it was athanasius who said that
03:50:50.037 --> 03:50:52.272
Whereas most of scripture speaks to us, the psalms speak
03:50:52.272 --> 03:50:56.043
For us. they give us a language of prayer. well, there's
03:50:56.043 --> 03:51:02.115
Absolutely surely you're right. there's comfort in the words of
03:51:02.115 --> 03:51:05.219
Scripture. and for those listening that don't know what
03:51:05.219 --> 03:51:07.221
To do, open your bible, read the book of psalms, read them
03:51:07.221 --> 03:51:10.424
Aloud. you know, give place to the word of god in your life.
03:51:10.424 --> 03:51:14.561
It's an invitation to the spirit of god into your heart.
03:51:14.561 --> 03:51:16.163
You need something other than the endless news cycle that's
03:51:16.163 --> 03:51:19.266
Going to be prevalent for the next season. but in the midst
03:51:19.266 --> 03:51:22.169
Of that, it's powerful for me. i've walked through death with
03:51:22.169 --> 03:51:25.205
So many families, and you come alongside those families and
03:51:25.205 --> 03:51:28.442
You have to make adjustments where there's loss and there's
03:51:28.442 --> 03:51:31.111
Something that's been forfeited and dreams are pushed aside and
03:51:31.111 --> 03:51:34.314
Ambitions seem to unravel. but for those who remain, we have
03:51:34.314 --> 03:51:38.252
To live forward. and i'm pretty confident of charlie. we're
03:51:38.252 --> 03:51:42.155
Going to talk to us today. he would tell us we have to live
03:51:42.155 --> 03:51:46.193
Forward. you know, i was as you were talking, i was reminded of
03:51:46.193 --> 03:51:49.630
Acts 12. it starts with herod in jerusalem arresting and
03:51:49.630 --> 03:51:51.999
Beheading james. he thinks he's dealt the church a blow and he
03:51:51.999 --> 03:51:55.369
Gets his ratings go up. so he arrests peter and he's going to
03:51:55.369 --> 03:51:59.139
Behead him as well. god releases him. but by the end of
03:51:59.139 --> 03:52:01.942
That very chapter, acts 12, an angel of the lord comes and
03:52:01.942 --> 03:52:05.312
Herod is gone. and the last line is that the church
03:52:05.312 --> 03:52:07.814
Continued to grow. god is awake in the earth. and as tragic as
03:52:07.814 --> 03:52:12.152
This is, and as broken as our hearts may be at the moment,
03:52:12.152 --> 03:52:16.356
And as i'm confident that god is moving forward and we're
03:52:16.356 --> 03:52:18.825
Going to move with him, we will heal and we will grieve and we
03:52:18.825 --> 03:52:23.330
Will go forward. and but don't be overwhelmed. you put your
03:52:23.330 --> 03:52:27.134
Hands in the air. thank god for charlie kirk's life. thank god
03:52:27.134 --> 03:52:29.970
That you knew his voice. thank god for the truth you heard
03:52:29.970 --> 03:52:32.940
From him. thank god for the courageous voice of a young man
03:52:32.940 --> 03:52:36.176
That was willing to say what he did about biblical marriage,
03:52:36.176 --> 03:52:39.613
About biblical notions of family, about truth in the
03:52:39.613 --> 03:52:41.348
Public square. those are important messages. those are
03:52:41.348 --> 03:52:45.786
Timeless messages. those shouldn't be republican or
03:52:45.786 --> 03:52:47.354
Democratic messages. charlie, more than anything, i think was
03:52:47.354 --> 03:52:51.024
An advocate for the kingdom of almighty god. and that mission
03:52:51.024 --> 03:52:54.361
Is not lesson today. so we will continue. it's so hard to find
03:52:54.361 --> 03:52:59.866
Words at a time like this. with us on this very difficult day,
03:52:59.866 --> 03:53:06.239
And yet a day when we are pausing, you know, we usually
03:53:06.239 --> 03:53:11.545
Have different programing at the moment on tbn, but the
03:53:11.545 --> 03:53:14.081
Heart of trinity broadcasting has always been from the moment
03:53:14.081 --> 03:53:17.918
That paul and jan crouch heard this call from god to take the
03:53:17.918 --> 03:53:22.723
Good news of the gospel around the world, and that continues
03:53:22.723 --> 03:53:25.892
Now on the shoulders of of matt and laurie crouch. the same
03:53:25.892 --> 03:53:30.364
Absolute commitment to to bringing truth. and at a time
03:53:30.364 --> 03:53:34.001
When other people will be giving all sorts of perspective
03:53:34.001 --> 03:53:36.837
On what happened today, it's been a privilege to be able to
03:53:36.837 --> 03:53:41.174
Talk to so many pastors and hear what they have to say. and
03:53:41.174 --> 03:53:44.177
I'm going to be joined now by one of one of our favorites.
03:53:44.177 --> 03:53:47.180
Okay. i think we're now going to throw to eric and eric.
03:53:47.180 --> 03:53:50.817
Perhaps you've got our friend with with you. sheila. thank
03:53:50.817 --> 03:53:56.423
You. pastor samuel rodriguez is with us now. our dear friend
03:53:56.423 --> 03:54:01.695
And pastor sam still trying to process this. okay. pastor sam
03:54:01.695 --> 03:54:06.066
Is not with us yet. he will be momentarily. but, sheila, i
03:54:06.066 --> 03:54:10.003
Know you and i both. and we've been, i think, live here for
03:54:10.003 --> 03:54:13.273
4.5 hours. perhaps you're on tbn, sheila, i think you just
03:54:13.273 --> 03:54:16.843
Said it with the vision of paul and jan crouch, carried on by
03:54:16.843 --> 03:54:21.014
Matt and laurie today. i think we're filling a vacuum here at
03:54:21.014 --> 03:54:25.252
Tbn in that we're bringing you. look, it's current events. this
03:54:25.252 --> 03:54:29.289
Is what's happening. this is real. it's relevant to everyone
03:54:29.289 --> 03:54:32.125
Watching right now. but we're doing it from an
03:54:32.125 --> 03:54:34.227
Unapologetically biblical perspective. and sheila, i
03:54:34.227 --> 03:54:36.997
Can't think of many other networks that you turn on right
03:54:36.997 --> 03:54:39.399
Now that are talking about this and breaking down the real
03:54:39.399 --> 03:54:43.303
World implications, the eternal implications to. and we're able
03:54:43.303 --> 03:54:47.174
To pray on air. yeah. i mean, what a blessing to be able to
03:54:47.174 --> 03:54:50.177
Do that tbn because everyone's saying, hey, we're praying.
03:54:50.177 --> 03:54:53.246
We're praying for charlie's family. we can pray here on air
03:54:53.246 --> 03:54:57.250
At tbn and everyone at home is with us. it's a community of
03:54:57.250 --> 03:55:01.121
Believers here, the body of christ together. it's one big
03:55:01.121 --> 03:55:03.957
Family here. and we've been walking through sheila this day
03:55:03.957 --> 03:55:06.493
Together. you and i, of course, on camera here. but i think
03:55:06.493 --> 03:55:10.130
We've been walking through this along with our tbn viewers.
03:55:10.130 --> 03:55:12.933
We're walking through this tragedy together. we're
03:55:12.933 --> 03:55:16.203
Processing it together, and we're interceding together
03:55:16.203 --> 03:55:19.673
Where two or more are gathered in my name. jesus said, i am
03:55:19.673 --> 03:55:24.211
There in the midst of them. well, we've got millions
03:55:24.211 --> 03:55:27.214
Watching us around the world on tbn right now, and that gives
03:55:27.214 --> 03:55:31.184
Me hope and encouragement for erika, kirk and charlie's two
03:55:31.184 --> 03:55:35.522
Young children and for our nation as well. because in
03:55:35.522 --> 03:55:38.458
These dark times, sheila, we need prayer now more than ever.
03:55:38.458 --> 03:55:42.829
Prayer works number one. and number two. you know that it
03:55:42.829 --> 03:55:47.267
Works because the enemy clearly hates it. he, a man of prayer,
03:55:47.267 --> 03:55:52.506
A man of god, was murdered in cold blood today, charlie kirk.
03:55:52.506 --> 03:55:56.209
And we also saw, i think, about two weeks ago now, sheila, when
03:55:56.209 --> 03:56:00.547
A very confused transgender person slaughtered two children
03:56:00.547 --> 03:56:05.619
At a catholic school in minneapolis, minnesota, people
03:56:05.619 --> 03:56:08.822
Said, we're praying for them. we're praying for the families.
03:56:08.822 --> 03:56:12.692
We're praying for minneapolis. you saw a backlash on ex on
03:56:12.692 --> 03:56:17.731
Social media from the radical left saying your prayers mean
03:56:17.731 --> 03:56:21.601
Nothing. prayers don't work. those kids were literally
03:56:21.601 --> 03:56:25.071
Praying as they were were killed. i think that was gavin
03:56:25.071 --> 03:56:28.108
Newsom, the governor of california, who said that
03:56:28.108 --> 03:56:31.077
Because they know that prayer does work in their hearts. they
03:56:31.077 --> 03:56:34.181
Know. and it's a spiritual battle right now. and charlie
03:56:34.181 --> 03:56:38.185
Kirk knew that better than anyone out there. i think today
03:56:38.185 --> 03:56:43.089
In the public realm. and he professed that. and we're
03:56:43.089 --> 03:56:47.994
Grieving right now. we're mourning. but, sheila, i think
03:56:47.994 --> 03:56:50.964
In the days to come, this is also going to be a celebration
03:56:50.964 --> 03:56:54.167
Of charlie's life. and we've done that here in tbn. and
03:56:54.167 --> 03:56:56.069
We're able to do that because we've got the peace that
03:56:56.069 --> 03:56:59.639
Surpasses all understanding. and we know that god almighty
03:56:59.639 --> 03:57:03.210
Still sits on the throne. many people right now are trying to
03:57:03.210 --> 03:57:06.012
Process this around the country who maybe don't know the lord,
03:57:06.012 --> 03:57:09.015
Who maybe don't have jesus in their lives, are saying, oh my
03:57:09.015 --> 03:57:12.219
Word, where does it all go from here? the sky is falling. and
03:57:12.219 --> 03:57:16.156
No doubt this is horrible. it's horrific. it's tragic. we're
03:57:16.156 --> 03:57:19.092
Grieving. we're mourning, we're shedding tears. but we do know,
03:57:19.092 --> 03:57:23.029
And charlie knew this so well that god is on the throne in
03:57:23.029 --> 03:57:26.900
Spite of it all. he's on the throne. that should give us
03:57:26.900 --> 03:57:30.370
Hope. that should give us encouragement. jesus is the
03:57:30.370 --> 03:57:33.139
Truth, the way, the life. and our good friend, pastor samuel
03:57:33.139 --> 03:57:38.245
Rodriguez, preaches that from his pulpit in sacramento,
03:57:38.245 --> 03:57:43.216
California, from his program here on tbn. pastor sam, thanks
03:57:43.216 --> 03:57:47.220
So much for joining us. hard to put into words this day and to
03:57:47.220 --> 03:57:52.158
Process it, but your initial thoughts on this moment that
03:57:52.158 --> 03:57:57.330
We're in right now, this precarious moment in our nation,
03:57:57.330 --> 03:58:01.234
And the legacy of charlie kirk, who pastor sam, i think it's
03:58:01.234 --> 03:58:04.537
Safe to say he was a martyr for christ at the end of the day.
03:58:04.537 --> 03:58:09.442
Without a doubt, eric, i just landed in malaysia. i received
03:58:09.442 --> 03:58:13.146
The news while i was on flight on the airplane wi-fi. they
03:58:13.146 --> 03:58:19.052
Assassinated my friend. i just spoke for charlie's conference.
03:58:19.052 --> 03:58:23.356
Charlie was a partner of the nclc and charlie was a pioneer
03:58:23.356 --> 03:58:29.129
Humanitarian, a civil rights activist. he was a prophetic
03:58:29.129 --> 03:58:33.333
Activist rather than a political advocate. above all,
03:58:33.333 --> 03:58:37.504
He was a devout follower of jesus christ. his christianity
03:58:37.504 --> 03:58:40.040
Defined him. he was christian first and foremost. before he
03:58:40.040 --> 03:58:43.310
Was conservative republican. he was a christian. i love charlie
03:58:43.310 --> 03:58:48.415
Because one of the things that i would share with him is we
03:58:48.415 --> 03:58:50.984
Don't lean left or right. we stand. charlie stood on
03:58:50.984 --> 03:58:54.220
Biblical truth, on the judeo-christian value system
03:58:54.220 --> 03:58:56.089
That is the firewall against moral relativism, cultural
03:58:56.089 --> 03:59:00.460
Decadence and hedonism. that's charlie. how about this, eric?
03:59:00.460 --> 03:59:05.165
It's a tough moment, right? rhetorical violence, inevitably
03:59:05.165 --> 03:59:09.235
Unchecked, will lead to physical violence. and what we
03:59:09.235 --> 03:59:12.272
Saw take place in utah. and all of us. all of us, you and i and
03:59:12.272 --> 03:59:17.143
Everyone else, all of us must stand committed to being light
03:59:17.143 --> 03:59:20.013
In the midst of darkness. we must push back against this
03:59:20.013 --> 03:59:23.049
Idea that if you're a political opponent, we hate you and you
03:59:23.049 --> 03:59:26.252
Come from the pit of hell. we must respect the image of god
03:59:26.252 --> 03:59:30.123
In every single human being. we must respect, tolerate, and
03:59:30.123 --> 03:59:32.192
Love those that don't agree with us. so we have to be very
03:59:32.192 --> 03:59:36.396
Careful every single time. light stands next to darkness,
03:59:36.396 --> 03:59:39.199
Light always wins. so we must turn on the light. but, eric,
03:59:39.199 --> 03:59:42.969
Let me leave you with this note here, my friend. hear me. hear
03:59:42.969 --> 03:59:45.972
My heart on this l will regret. satan will regret the gates of
03:59:45.972 --> 03:59:53.747
Hell, darkness, evil will regret silencing the earthly
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Voice of charlie kirk. because on the other side of this,
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We're going to see generation z come to jesus and even more
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Record breaking numbers than before. we're going to see
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Generation z and alpha become the most pro-life pro religious
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Liberty pro biblical justice generation in american history.
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The enemy is going to regret what took place in utah,
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Because on the other side of this, a generational awakening
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Like we have never seen before. pastor sam so well said. and
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That's confirmation for what we've been saying throughout
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Our live broadcast here. the devil has overplayed his hand
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Badly here. and i believe the movement that charlie sparked a
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Millions upon millions. pastor sam, as you said, generation z,
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Gen alpha, my daughter's 18 and 14 years old. the word i've
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Been using is galvanize. this is going to be a galvanizing
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Moment. i think we'll see many, many charlie kirk's rise up.
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Now, can you talk more about that? the devil overplaying his
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Hand. he always does. but how charlie's memory, all that he
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Accomplished in life, but in death could accomplish
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Something even perhaps far greater in terms of his
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Influence growing and people galvanized by it, and people
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Saying, no, we're not going to lay down. we're not going to
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Take it. we're going to speak out and be bold like lions,
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Like charlie kirk was. yeah, the funny thing is, and it's
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Not funny, we're we're great angst and pain right now is
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That we're going to see college campuses become literally the
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Hub of not just the revival in baylor and ohio state and here
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And there and kentucky across the country. we're going to see
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A move of god like never before. you're right. the
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Multiplicative process of what just took place. you know,
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Charlie passing away tragically, you're going to see charlie
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Kirk's all around the country. you're going to see young men
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And women who say, wait a minute, you're not going to
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Silence my voice. silence is not an option. i will not be
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Complacent. so charlie's legacy will be the one of catapulting
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And launching a movement, a generational movement like we
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Have never seen before. our not just arguably, statistically
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Speaking. eric, you and i have discussed this with johnny
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Moore. one of the reasons why president trump was reelected
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Was because generation z shifted towards a
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Judeo-christian worldview. you want to call that conservative
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Values? i call a judeo-christian value system.
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So we're going to see that across the board in generation
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Z and alpha and in college campuses. so the movement is
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Not dead. the movement arguably just got started. so don't
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Don't mess with light again. darkness is going to regret
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What took place today because we're going to see something
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Pretty powerful emerge truth, love, righteousness and justice.
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But we must push back on all vestiges of hatred, bigotry,
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Intolerance, and violence. and we must do it in the mighty
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Name of jesus. amen. pastor sam, and this is a massive spiritual
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Battle that we are locked in. and charlie kirk, i mean, in
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Life, in 31 short years on this planet, he literally helped
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Swing an election in november 2024. i think it's safe to say,
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Pastor sam, president trump does not prevail without two
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People, elon musk and charlie kirk. and the movement he built
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And flipping gen z. hey, we know you are in malaysia. can
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You take us out in prayer? can you pray real quick before we
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Let you go? heavenly father, in my heart is broken personally
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Because i lost a friend and someone. who advanced the
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Agenda. i ask you for his wife and his kids. i ask you for an
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Impermeable hedge of protection. and i ask you, lord, to honor
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The legacy of this life dedicated to you. he is a
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Christian martyr. he did not die because of a political
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Ideology. he died because he was faithful to a
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Judeo-christian value system that cannot and will not be
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Denied. so, lord, i ask you, i ask you right now to bring
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Peace into our nation. oh dear god, push back against the
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Darkness of hatred and bigotry and intolerance. god help us
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Have discourse and and civility. dear god, resurrect civility in
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Our nation where we can have conversations rather than
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Confrontation. i pray for revival and awakening. on the
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Other side of this. i pray for our nation to become one, one
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Nation under you with liberty and justice for all. in the
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Name of jesus christ, i pray. amen. i love you and you know,
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It's just reminded me one of my favorite lines from a movie. it
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Was actually a movie, robin hood, and it said this we will
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Rise and rise again to lambs become lions. and i think that
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That will be something we will look back on after the tragic
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Events of this day, that those of us who seem to be maybe a
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Little timid in our faith because of watching the way
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That god used a life like charlie kirk's, the way that he
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Laid his life down as a martyr, the way he heard that well done,
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Good and faithful servant. enter into the joy. you and i
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Get to be part of this. let's make sure that this day goes
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Down in our history as a day when we heard the call of god
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To rise and rise again until lambs became become lions. we
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Are so grateful for you. thank you for being with us. thank
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You for being our tbn family. eric, i just want to say it's
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Been a joy to do this with you, although in very hard
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Circumstances. but thank you for being being with us for the
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Pastors who have joined us today. but i want to remind you,
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Remember jesus said to his closest friends, find it in
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John chapter 16 says this in this world you will have
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Trouble. but take heart, because i have overcome the
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World. that word means in this world you will go through the
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Perfect storm. but take heart. i have overcome the world. god
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Bless you all.
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Special Report: Remembering Charlie Kirk

September 10, 2025 | 246:22

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