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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: August 18, 2025 | Stakelbeck Tonight | August 18, 2025
- Welcome to stakelbeck tonight.
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- I'm erick stakelbeck and we are seeing every day.
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- Stunning archeological discoveries
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- That prove the truth of the bible.
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- We've got rare ancient artifacts bearing the name of jesus.
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- And the enduring mystery of the shroud of turin, where
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- New discoveries are shedding fresh light on the life,
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- Ministry and impact of the savior of the world.
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- Our good friend, doctor jeremiah johnston has a front row
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- Seat for all of this.
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- He's president of the christian thinkers society
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- And serves as pastor of apologetics
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- And cultural engagement at preston wood baptist church.
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- He's here to walk us through
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- What these discoveries mean for our faith
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- And why they matter for every believer.
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- Jeremiah, always great to see you, my friend.
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- Hey, you are a foremost authority
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- On the shroud of turin, no doubt.
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- Now, this is probably the most
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- Studied artifact in human history.
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- What sets the shroud apart, jeremiah?
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- And why do you believe this is the burial shroud of jesus?
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- Absolutely.
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- And many people might be on this broadcast
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- Hearing about the shroud of turin for the very first time.
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- Archeologically.
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- We believe that we actually have
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- The burial cloth of joseph of arimathea.
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- And nicodemus wrapped the body of jesus in after
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- He was crucified and before he rose again.
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- And the reason we believe that it is the actual
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- Burial cloth of jesus is because it is the most studied
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- Archeological artifact in the world.
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- There isn't a close second, erick.
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- And what i love about your show is you
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- Raise up christian thinkers on your show.
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- You are a christian thinker.
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- You equip the body of christ in such a powerful way
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- Every night.
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- That's why i'm a regular viewer of your program.
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- I'm always not only encouraged in my faith,
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- But you equip and you inform us to be conversant about things
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- That are going on around the world.
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- And that's why i'm thankful you're having me back.
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- I want your audience to know that that very recently
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- There have been some incredible
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- Studies that have been released.
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- And here's the cool part in many ways.
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- Not by pastors,
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- Not by theologians, but by mathematicians,
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- Physicists and scientists who work in weapons lab
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- Who say they cannot explain how there is
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- An image of a crucified man that bears total course
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- Respondents with what we have of jesus of nazareth
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- From matthew, mark, luke, and john.
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- They simply can't explain it.
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- And that's one of the reasons that now
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- I believe that we do have
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- The actual burial cloth of jesus of nazareth.
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- The height, the weight,
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- The wounds, obviously, that are shown on the shroud.
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- Take us back. when was the shroud?
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- I don't know if we can even date this. jeremiah.
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- When was the shroud first discovered?
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- Absolutely.
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- We know about the shroud from the four gospels.
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- It's interesting.
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- There are 89 chapters in the gospel.
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- Erick and i brought my bible with me.
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- And, you know, we can read the scriptures,
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- But we know it's a living book.
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- You can read the same passage 100 times
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- And see something you've never seen before.
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- That's why we know the bible is inherent
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- And authoritative and infallible.
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- I was reading john 20 the other day, and i get to john
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- 20 verse eight, and it says, john saw and he believed.
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- And do you know what he saw in the tomb?
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- If you go up just a few verses, it says, when john the apostle
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- Saw the linen burial cloth lying there, he believed,
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- Because there was no body in it.
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- I had never seen that in my life.
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- Chronologically, he didn't believe
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- When the tomb was removed.
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- He didn't believe when there was no body in the tomb.
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- He believed when he saw the linen cloth lying there.
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- That's what with the image.
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- With the image on it.
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- And so, because these were historical events,
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- There is actual artifactual testimony in the land of israel.
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- You've seen this all over the mediterranean world
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- That proves again and again the truth claims of the bible.
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- Now, i've brought something
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- Very special i have to show you, erick.
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- And i've never brought this on an international tv show.
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- Stackelberg, in an exclusive.
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- This is a stakelbeck tonight exclusive. wow!
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- We are doing a tour right now on the shroud
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- Where we give people an up to close
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- Experience of the death, burial
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- And resurrection of jesus with 50 different artifacts.
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- And i have many replicas.
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- But erick, i want you to hold an actual crucifixion
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- Nail from the syrian province
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- Of the roman empire that dates to the time of pontius pilate.
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- That is not a replica, erick.
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- That is a crucifixion spike.
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- 2000 years old, two. thousand years old.
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- And i want you to look at the rest on it.
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- I want you to look at the decay on it.
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- And when you think about how the shroud corresponds
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- With the wounds that we see of jesus,
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- We know a thousand years before crucifixion.
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- David says in psalm 2216, they pierced my hands and my feet.
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- With one of these, with. one of those is six.
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- Inches size of. this.
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- There's a replica of that
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- At the israel antiquities museum of yahoo!
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- Hunting.
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- But if you can imagine one thing that just stunned me
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- Because in the shroud of turin, the crucified man is crucified
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- Right through the wrist.
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- Exactly what you would expect of roman crucifixion.
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- Yeah, he is crucified through the heel bone as well.
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- The calcaneus, the heel bone heels were very brittle,
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- And these executioners were so exact
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- They knew how to punch this
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- Execution nail right through the heel bone
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- Without shattering it, increasing the agony.
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- I always tell. six inches in.
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- And this is curved and i so appreciate this shot.
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- This is curved because oftentimes
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- The nail would be they wanted to minimize movement
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- And maximize torment. erick.
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- And so they would actually adjust the nail.
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- Well the body was affixed to the cross.
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- And so what does this mean for us?
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- When i look at this nail i think of romans five eight.
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- But god demonstrated his love for jeremiah, and that will.
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- I was a terrible sinner.
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- God didn't send his his worst.
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- He sent his best to die for me on the cross.
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- And so
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- And then i think of that passage in colossians,
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- Our sins have been nailed to the cross.
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- We don't bear them anymore.
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- We don't live under that judgment anymore.
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- So isn't it cool from a crucifixion nail?
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- We can talk and prove the resurrection of jesus christ.
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- This is amazing and thank you, by the way, for bringing this.
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- This is a privilege and honor to hold that nail.
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- And folks, you see
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- And again, as you said, jeremiah, it makes me
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- Think of the sacrifice, the ultimate sacrifice
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- That the son of god paid for each and every one of us,
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- Those six inch nasty nails driven into his body,
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- Incredible. hey, there's much more to come.
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- We've got more jesus discoveries with our good friend,
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- Doctor jeremiah johnston. that's after the break.
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- They'll move.
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- They'll move.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight.
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- Tonight we're talking to doctor jeremiah johnston, president
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- Of the christian thinkers society.
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- Folks, check out his great work at christian thinkers.
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- Doctor tom jeremiah.
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- We're talking about the shroud of turin.
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- Again, you're a foremost expert on it.
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- Some exciting developments there that we're breaking down
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- A bit.
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- Tell us about the jesus cup.
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- And by the way, the nail, amazing that you brought that.
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- We appreciate that so much.
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- And on many levels that drives home the message of the gospel.
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- The jesus cup.
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- I don't know a lot about this. i have to say.
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- Tell us more about it.
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- Well, and why this is important for audiences. so many people.
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- We have friends and family that don't love jesus.
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- And they'll say things to me like jj, okay, close your bible.
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- How do we know jesus really existed?
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- Now i love the word of god, but the great thing about
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- Jesus is we have so much evidence
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- Of jesus, even outside of the bible.
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- And you know this, erick,
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- Because of your extensive ministry
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- And travels and work all over the world,
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- Archeology is christianity's closest cousin.
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- Yeah.
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- And i want to speak for a moment to pious
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- Christians who are watching first.
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- There are a lot of believers are like,
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- Oh, i don't need archeology. my faith is so strong.
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- I've always been a believer. and you know what?
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- I applaud your faith, i really do.
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- But i want to remind you that the authors of the new testament
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- Would not have written a word of the 138,000 greek
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- New testament words until they had proof that
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- Jesus was alive after he was massacred on the cross.
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- So when we say that we don't need evidence
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- Or we don't care about archeology,
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- Let's make sure we don't have a more pious faith
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- Than thomas or john or peter or mark.
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- And a lot.
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- Of great point, jeremiah and a lot of people
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- Before jesus comes into their heart,
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- They have to be intellectually convinced everyone is different.
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- And this is a big part of that.
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- So the jesus cup is one i always go to when
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- I when i moved to oxford in 2009 to pursue my phd
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- In 2008, frank baggio, a marine archeologist from oxford
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- University, is doing underwater archeology at alexandria.
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- And he discovers a cup and it looks, erick, you know, tea cups
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- Where you can hold him on both sides.
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- One side has broken off,
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- But the cup dates to the middle of the first century ad,
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- So we're talking before any of the books of the new testament,
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- And we're seeing a picture of it right now.
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- But incised on the cup are the words in greek
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- Go, aztecs, de christou.
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- And that means we translate that in english through christ
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- The magician.
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- Now you say, wait a minute,
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- Why did they refer to jesus as the magician?
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- Jesus, first and foremost is made
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- Famous globally because he was a healer,
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- A miracle worker and an exorcist.
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- Yeah, people,
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- Before they ever
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- Heard the gospel, they heard that
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- The name of jesus was so powerful
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- That if you inserted it in prayers or curses,
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- They came to pass because his name is power.
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- Think of the book of acts, simon the sorcerer.
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- He wanted some of what peter had. yeah.
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- And what's amazing, this jesus cup gives evidence to that.
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- And as i write in
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- My new forthcoming book, the jesus discoveries,
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- This very well could be the first writing
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- We have with the name of christ that appears in the anti dates.
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- It predates any of the new testament books.
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- In the middle of the first century, middle.
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- Of the first century.
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- And it makes sense, as you said, jeremiah, he's a magician.
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- At the time, people probably didn't know
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- What to make of jesus, but he's the healer.
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- And remember the disciples, they come to jesus
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- And they say, teacher,
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- People are using your name to cast out demons.
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- Should we stop them?
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- He said, no, a house divided against itself
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- Can jesus, his name worked over long distance.
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- He could actually he heal people over long distance.
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- Keep in mind the greatest name of jesus's time was solomon,
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- And it had taken 800 years
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- For solomon's name to be what we call invoked.
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- And they miracle or a healing jesus during his own short
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- Ministry of three years.
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- Others are invoking his name because it had so much power.
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- And so one of the applications i need to make sure i'm
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- Using the name of jesus because there's power in it.
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- There's power in the name of jesus.
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- And back then it was word of mouth.
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- We did not have social media folks.
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- No first century a.d. needless to say.
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- Hey, the jesus papyrus,
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- The oldest fragments of matthew's gospel.
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- This is amazing. tell us more about this is.
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- And you know, it's sad.
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- You can go to england today. you can go to oxford,
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- And you can go to the school where c.s.
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- Lewis taught magdalen college.
- 00:11:16.031 --> 00:11:18.134
- Don't pronounce it like an american and call it magdalene.
- 00:11:18.134 --> 00:11:20.436
- You have to pronounce it with that british.
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- It's modlin college in the old library of maudlin college.
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- They have a fragment called the jesus fragment.
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- And as you rightly point out,
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- It's the oldest fragment of the gospel of saint matthew.
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- And they call it the jesus fragment.
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- Because in the three little scraps and i've,
- 00:11:36.552 --> 00:11:38.854
- I've studied this fragment now for 16 years,
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- The name of jesus appears again and again,
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- And we date ancient fragments with, not cr 14 dating.
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- We use we use paleography code ecology.
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- We study handwriting styles.
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- And when we study
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- The handwriting style on this ancient papyrus, it dates.
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- Erick, if you can believe this, to the second century.
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- So we have it. and where it was this was found.
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- It was in a lemon luxor, egypt.
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- It was found an alarm in egypt.
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- A missionary who was just an alum of modlin college.
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- Yeah.
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- Was in a market and looks luxor and found
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- What he could read greek.
- 00:12:14.490 --> 00:12:15.524
- You know people were smarter back then.
- 00:12:15.524 --> 00:12:17.159
- You know, normal students could be greek.
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- They he reads.
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- Oh, that's that's the gospel of matthew.
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- He buys it
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- And he bequeaths it to his school
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- As he goes out on the mission field.
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- And that's how they came to have it
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- From a little, of modlin college. it's incredible.
- 00:12:28.070 --> 00:12:30.673
- It's all happening now, right?
- 00:12:30.673 --> 00:12:32.708
- Real time. yes.
- 00:12:32.708 --> 00:12:33.843
- And you do have a front row seat for this.
- 00:12:33.843 --> 00:12:35.511
- You're a foremost authority on all things archeological.
- 00:12:35.511 --> 00:12:38.848
- How does this affect you in a positive way, of course,
- 00:12:38.848 --> 00:12:41.917
- But this is amazing.
- 00:12:41.917 --> 00:12:43.385
- I mean, so exciting for you personally, right.
- 00:12:43.385 --> 00:12:45.087
- To have a front row seat.
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- You're going to italy, you're traveling
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- Across the middle east, and you're seeing these up close.
- 00:12:47.189 --> 00:12:48.924
- You're holding them in your hands like this.
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- Incredible nail you brought with us today.
- 00:12:50.626 --> 00:12:52.661
- Just amazing for you.
- 00:12:52.661 --> 00:12:53.863
- I was the way it affects me more than any other
- 00:12:53.863 --> 00:12:56.432
- Because the bible says knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.
- 00:12:56.432 --> 00:13:00.302
- This has given me a heart to give.
- 00:13:00.302 --> 00:13:01.871
- It's given me so many tools to share the gospel.
- 00:13:01.871 --> 00:13:04.406
- If i'm with a skeptic, i can go a different direction
- 00:13:04.406 --> 00:13:06.575
- Because i'm aware of some of the findings. it's
- 00:13:06.575 --> 00:13:08.477
- Given me a greater appreciation for the gospel writings.
- 00:13:08.477 --> 00:13:11.347
- But i'm also a dad of five.
- 00:13:11.347 --> 00:13:13.315
- I have two teenagers and triplets,
- 00:13:13.315 --> 00:13:15.017
- So i'm not losing my mind.
- 00:13:15.017 --> 00:13:16.252
- But i'm close to it,
- 00:13:16.252 --> 00:13:17.586
- And all of this allows me to pass my faith
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- On to our children more effectively.
- 00:13:20.990 --> 00:13:23.092
- And erick, if i can't do that, i'm
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- Going to do something else because that's all i care about.
- 00:13:24.760 --> 00:13:27.096
- So these findings, this archeology,
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- Unfortunately, as you pointed out,
- 00:13:29.398 --> 00:13:30.900
- We live in this world where
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- Social media and a lot of bad ideas are so popular.
- 00:13:32.134 --> 00:13:35.104
- I'm glad that i can respond
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- To those bad ideas with truth and evidence.
- 00:13:36.405 --> 00:13:38.841
- And that's what these artifacts help me do.
- 00:13:38.841 --> 00:13:40.609
- Truth and evidence is biblical
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- Truth and irrefutable scientific and archeological evidence.
- 00:13:41.810 --> 00:13:44.980
- I believe that is an unbeatable combination.
- 00:13:44.980 --> 00:13:47.149
- Doctor jeremiah johnston brings both and up next, he's
- 00:13:47.149 --> 00:13:49.785
- Going to share another amazing jesus discovery
- 00:13:49.785 --> 00:13:53.756
- And a very important conference coming up
- 00:13:53.756 --> 00:13:55.424
- Right here in the dallas-fort worth area.
- 00:13:55.424 --> 00:13:57.326
- You're going to hear about that
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- Next with doctor jeremiah johnston. stick around.
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- Next with doctor jeremiah johnston. stick around.
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- Welcome back to
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- Stakelbeck tonight we're talking to our good
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- Friend, doctor jeremiah johnston.
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- Folks, he is the president of the christian thinker society.
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- Check them out at christian thinkers.com.
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- Of course.
- 00:14:16.446 --> 00:14:17.213
- Check them out at preston wood
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- Baptist church as well, where he is
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- Apologetics pastor and pastor for cultural engagement.
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- Hey, speaking of which, you're an expert on middle
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- Eastern culture, ancient middle eastern culture.
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- And you mentioned earlier that jesus was referred to
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- As a magician of sorts and say mid first century a.d.
- 00:14:32.395 --> 00:14:37.200
- Well, now we're hearing there are some ancient
- 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:38.902
- So-called magic balls and curse tablets.
- 00:14:38.902 --> 00:14:43.039
- Yes, bearing the name of jesus make sense of that for us.
- 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:45.909
- It shows us that jesus name is so widely recognized
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- As utterly unique and powerful
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- That you have
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- Different communities that, in their traditions, would pray
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- And they would put prayers and bowls
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- That would go all the way around.
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- They would write their prayers in these bowls,
- 00:15:00.190 --> 00:15:01.992
- Or they would actually have even charms.
- 00:15:01.992 --> 00:15:04.728
- Blackberries. you see this in the land of israel today.
- 00:15:04.728 --> 00:15:07.397
- Some will even wrap blackberries around their arms
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- And have commandments from deuteronomy, etc.
- 00:15:10.433 --> 00:15:13.403
- That literally affix to their body.
- 00:15:13.403 --> 00:15:15.305
- Well, the pagan world was no different in a lot of ways.
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- They would have curse and charms and these tablets,
- 00:15:18.375 --> 00:15:21.478
- If you wanted to give your boss insomnia, you would have that.
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- Okay, but what's interesting,
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- And the only reason i'm even interested in
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- It is the name of jesus, appears up in these said prayer bulls,
- 00:15:27.884 --> 00:15:31.855
- These factories, these charms, these ancient incan tations.
- 00:15:31.855 --> 00:15:36.693
- And that's exactly what we see biblically, that jesus,
- 00:15:36.693 --> 00:15:40.030
- First and foremost, his message is resounding with people.
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- Because keep in mind, in the roman empire,
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- 25% of the roman empire was sick, dying, or in need
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- Of immediate medical attention.
- 00:15:49.239 --> 00:15:51.007
- On any given day, most people were starving to death.
- 00:15:51.007 --> 00:15:55.211
- Remember when john is in prison?
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- John the baptist, 25%.
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- It was a. mighty roman empire.
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- It's a mighty roman empire.
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- I've written about the life
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- Expectancy was just 20 years of age.
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- Most people did
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- Not see their 30th birthday and they were starving to death.
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- And john the baptist is in prison.
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- We know it's in maximus, thanks to joseph, josephus in jordan.
- 00:16:12.996 --> 00:16:16.599
- And he writes, and his disciples,
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- They come to jesus and they say, are you really the one?
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- Or do we seek another?
- 00:16:21.971 --> 00:16:23.139
- And jesus responds, and luke 722, i love this.
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- He never shames anyone who has doubts or questions.
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- He sharpens us when we have doubts and questions.
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- And luke 722 he said, all i can tell you is the blind
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- See the deaf hear in the dead are in greek necrosis.
- 00:16:33.683 --> 00:16:37.720
- The guy of the dead literally stand up from death.
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- So he talks about his miracles as evidence of his messiah,
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- Of his messianic claim.
- 00:16:44.661 --> 00:16:46.496
- And again, we see that and all of the artifacts
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- That you've pointed out as well.
- 00:16:48.665 --> 00:16:50.233
- Yeah. oh, it's pretty incredible on every level.
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- And i think
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- When people knew of jesus far and wide
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- And even obviously pagans and nonbelievers
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- With curse tablets, magic balls invoked the name of jesus.
- 00:16:58.975 --> 00:17:03.246
- Even the demons tremble. that's right.
- 00:17:03.246 --> 00:17:05.081
- Mention of the name of jesus.
- 00:17:05.081 --> 00:17:06.716
- Hey, there will be no demons.
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- Needless to say, at prestwood church, september 28th,
- 00:17:08.918 --> 00:17:12.288
- The 30th for an incredible apologetics conference
- 00:17:12.288 --> 00:17:15.358
- That you're putting together
- 00:17:15.358 --> 00:17:16.226
- With the christian thinkers society.
- 00:17:16.226 --> 00:17:17.560
- I'm honored to be speaking there.
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- Jeremiah, tell us more about the conference, number one
- 00:17:18.895 --> 00:17:22.031
- And number two,
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- Why it's so important for such a time as this.
- 00:17:23.066 --> 00:17:25.268
- You are literally a defender of the faith,
- 00:17:25.268 --> 00:17:27.370
- And we will be there doing exactly
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- That from september 20th 8th to september 30th. that's right.
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- At preston wood worldview.org, we have all of the information.
- 00:17:31.741 --> 00:17:35.311
- That's preston wood worldview.org.
- 00:17:35.311 --> 00:17:36.846
- But most christians today,
- 00:17:36.846 --> 00:17:38.681
- They want to be equipped how they can have
- 00:17:38.681 --> 00:17:40.216
- More effective conversations. yeah.
- 00:17:40.216 --> 00:17:41.918
- So this conversation this conference is bringing
- 00:17:41.918 --> 00:17:44.254
- In the world's greatest communicators.
- 00:17:44.254 --> 00:17:46.122
- You are included in that list to train us how we can be better
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- Equipped
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- To have powerful, comfortable conversations about jesus christ
- 00:17:51.161 --> 00:17:54.497
- With our most skeptical friends.
- 00:17:54.497 --> 00:17:56.266
- And so we have people that come.
- 00:17:56.266 --> 00:17:57.767
- Last year, they came from 23 different states.
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- To come to this conference.
- 00:18:00.770 --> 00:18:01.971
- We had 20 speakers, 55 sessions,
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- All with the result of equipping men and women to pass
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- To be more confident in their faith,
- 00:18:07.677 --> 00:18:09.312
- But have more effective conversations
- 00:18:09.312 --> 00:18:11.714
- Just like we're having right now.
- 00:18:11.714 --> 00:18:12.849
- And a lot of students, by the way, oh, school age
- 00:18:12.849 --> 00:18:15.718
- We have is amazing.
- 00:18:15.718 --> 00:18:16.753
- It's a great mix because we have over 50 private
- 00:18:16.753 --> 00:18:19.289
- Christian schools
- 00:18:19.289 --> 00:18:20.223
- That attend, but then we have men and women
- 00:18:20.223 --> 00:18:21.591
- That fly, and we have pastoral staffs that come in.
- 00:18:21.591 --> 00:18:24.194
- You can watch online, you can stream.
- 00:18:24.194 --> 00:18:26.095
- And erick, we're especially grateful to have your voice.
- 00:18:26.095 --> 00:18:29.232
- God is using you right now at such a time as this.
- 00:18:29.232 --> 00:18:32.435
- And i want our kids especially to see
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- That you can be highly successful in media
- 00:18:34.637 --> 00:18:37.006
- Without compromising your convictions.
- 00:18:37.006 --> 00:18:39.309
- You can speak to power. you can interview like you do.
- 00:18:39.309 --> 00:18:42.111
- Some of the most influential people in the world,
- 00:18:42.111 --> 00:18:44.180
- And yet love jesus with all your heart.
- 00:18:44.180 --> 00:18:46.249
- So i'm so excited to platform you at this moment.
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- Thank you. number one.
- 00:18:48.585 --> 00:18:49.452
- Number two, i'm so honored to do it.
- 00:18:49.452 --> 00:18:51.187
- And like you said, i had to make that choice.
- 00:18:51.187 --> 00:18:52.622
- Jeremiah, in my career earlier on,
- 00:18:52.622 --> 00:18:55.425
- Do you go for for the glory and the secular glory,
- 00:18:55.425 --> 00:18:58.361
- So to speak, and compromise your values and,
- 00:18:58.361 --> 00:19:01.030
- And kind of put a muzzle on what you want to say?
- 00:19:01.030 --> 00:19:03.600
- And things have worked out pretty well, and god
- 00:19:03.600 --> 00:19:06.035
- Led the way. i just followed the lord's prompting, for sure.
- 00:19:06.035 --> 00:19:08.738
- And that's a big part of a christian worldview, obviously.
- 00:19:08.738 --> 00:19:11.874
- And today,
- 00:19:11.874 --> 00:19:12.542
- That worldview is we're seeing
- 00:19:12.542 --> 00:19:14.010
- A resurgence of faith, i think, in the united states.
- 00:19:14.010 --> 00:19:16.546
- But that worldview is under assault in places like europe,
- 00:19:16.546 --> 00:19:19.782
- Where we see paganism, obviously post-christian europe.
- 00:19:19.782 --> 00:19:23.319
- I called modern day paganism and ism,
- 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:25.888
- The islamic challenge, of course.
- 00:19:25.888 --> 00:19:27.490
- So that to me makes this conference even more timely.
- 00:19:27.490 --> 00:19:29.792
- It is.
- 00:19:29.792 --> 00:19:30.727
- And, you know, and worldview for christians
- 00:19:30.727 --> 00:19:31.961
- Has always been under attack.
- 00:19:31.961 --> 00:19:33.162
- I brought my bible and i would like,
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- With your permission, to read colossians two eight.
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- Colossians two eight.
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- Paul is writing to christians here.
- 00:19:38.835 --> 00:19:40.703
- He's not writing to non-christians.
- 00:19:40.703 --> 00:19:42.338
- He's writing to the church at colossae, a modern day turkey.
- 00:19:42.338 --> 00:19:44.774
- And he says, see to it that no one takes you captive
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- Through hollow
- 00:19:49.345 --> 00:19:50.546
- And deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition
- 00:19:50.546 --> 00:19:53.650
- And the elemental spiritual
- 00:19:53.650 --> 00:19:55.084
- Forces of this world rather than that of christ.
- 00:19:55.084 --> 00:19:58.087
- He's he's telling the colossian believers make sure that no one
- 00:19:58.087 --> 00:20:03.226
- Literally takes your mind captive.
- 00:20:03.993 --> 00:20:06.095
- And one of the reasons that the church today
- 00:20:06.095 --> 00:20:08.164
- Is not as effective
- 00:20:08.164 --> 00:20:09.165
- As we could be is we have a lot of believers
- 00:20:09.165 --> 00:20:10.967
- Who have been confused by the enemy.
- 00:20:10.967 --> 00:20:12.702
- Their minds of literally been taken captive
- 00:20:12.702 --> 00:20:15.204
- Through hollow and deceptive philosophies.
- 00:20:15.204 --> 00:20:17.607
- I've been there before where i've been deceived and confused.
- 00:20:17.607 --> 00:20:20.877
- We all have worldviews, and i jokingly say
- 00:20:20.877 --> 00:20:23.079
- Worldviews are like belly buttons. we all have them.
- 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:25.148
- We just don't talk about them very often.
- 00:20:25.148 --> 00:20:26.816
- You know, people are watching right now.
- 00:20:26.816 --> 00:20:28.184
- Anyone watching this show or listening to it,
- 00:20:28.184 --> 00:20:30.219
- You have a worldview, but it needs to be brought
- 00:20:30.219 --> 00:20:33.189
- Under the lordship of christ, under his word.
- 00:20:33.189 --> 00:20:35.058
- And really, we're training people to think like jesus.
- 00:20:35.058 --> 00:20:36.959
- How do we think like jesus in every situation?
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- And we can watch it online as well, right? absolutely amazing.
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- I'll be there in person to be the person.
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- It's going to be great.
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- And as you said, some of the most influential minds
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- In the body of christ. that's right.
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- Be there and it all comes down to jesus.
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- That's right at the end of the day.
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- So it's going to be great.
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- I can't wait to to be there with you.
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- Doctor jeremiah
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- Johnston is going to close this out, folks,
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- After the break with a powerful prayer.
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- I mean,
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- Talk about a faith strengthener what jeremiah has shared
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- With us today, these incredible archeological discoveries.
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- And they still matter, and they still matter
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- To every believer. amazing.
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- We're going to close out in prayer next.
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- We're going to close out in prayer next.
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- We'll come back to stakelbeck tonight
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- We're closing out with our good
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- Friend, doctor jeremiah johnston.
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- Folks, christian thinkers.com.
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- Great book there, by the way.
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- We've been talking about the shroud of turin.
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- Who is the man of the shroud.
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- You could pick it up at christian thinkers.com.
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- And you were once a shroud of turin skeptic, by the way.
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- Right.
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- I mean, what brought you around
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- And how's this impacted your life?
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- Real quick, before we close? absolutely.
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- Studying the evidence for the shroud has given me
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- A greater appreciation for how much god loves me.
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- Often tell people that the shroud is
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- An itemized receipt of just how much jesus loves me.
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- And erick, i have to thank you
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- And erick stakelbeck tonight because about a year or so ago,
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- You had me come on the program and you were asking
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- Some really great questions about the shroud.
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- And that broadcast hit the algorithm.
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- So much so that millions
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- And millions of people have been impacted
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- By the questions you asked me about the shroud
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- And about the gospel.
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- Little did we know at the time, a global tour has emanated
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- Out of that conversation
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- Where i now preach in churches and i bring 50 artifacts
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- In the shroud of turin experience
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- That's free of charge to churches from new york to l.a.
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- And globally.
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- And in so many ways that began right here at this studio
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- When you and i started talking about it.
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- So i can't
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- Thank you enough for your support,
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- Because i really believe, to answer your question, it's
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- One of the greatest evangelism tools i've ever been part of.
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- So thank. you. no doubt right back at you. thank you.
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- I'm honored that you would say that, jeremiah.
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- That means a lot to me. and folks,
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- You can catch jeremiah on tour around the country.
- 00:22:45.923 --> 00:22:48.158
- Again, christian thinkers.com.
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- You've got all the info.
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- Can you close out my friend in prayer?
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- I'd be honored.
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- Lord jesus, we bow before you at this unique moment
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- And we know, lord, that too much is given, much is required.
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- We believe that as we approach the second coming of christ
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- And the end of days, these great discoveries
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- Are being made available.
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- Lord, i pray that you would make us
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- Bold with these discoveries to point people
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- To the truth of the gospel in the empty tomb.
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- In jesus name, amen. amen.
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- Doctor jeremiah johnston, thank you so much.
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- It is always a pleasure, my friend.
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- Christian thinkers.com.
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- Check it out. god is moving folks.
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- Until next time, god bless you and we'll see you soon.
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