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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: Faith in America | Stakelbeck Tonight | February 20, 2026
- Welcome to stakelbeck tonight i'm erick stakelbeck
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- And there is a battle raging inside every human heart.
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- There's also a battle unfolding across america.
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- Joining us tonight to discuss both of these struggles
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- Is our good friend, pastor jackson lahmeyer.
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- His new book, divided, uses his powerful personal
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- Testimony to explain why so many christians feel like
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- They're living two lives, and how to finally break free.
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- Plus, we'll break down the spiritual state of the nation
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- Revival rising, resistance growing, and the larger battle
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- Between good and evil playing out in real time.
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- Folks, we're talking about moving forward with boldness
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- And confidence as believers and as a nation.
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- And it all starts now.
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- Each one of us is
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- Faced with an invisible battle every day.
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- The battle between saint and sinner,
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- Angel and beast, who we were before christ
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- And after our good friend, pastor
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- Jackson lahmeyer has written
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- An important new book called divided breaking free
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- From the other me,
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- And it equips readers with the resources needed to wake up
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- Each day and choose the best version of you.
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- And he joins us now, pastor jackson lahmeyer.
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- Always great to see you, my friend.
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- Congrats on the book.
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- And the book starts off, by the way, with this great line.
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- There are two of us in all of us.
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- Now, people watching might say, look,
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- I'm a new creation in christ.
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- The old self is gone.
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- But there's still that struggle. tell us more.
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- By the way, the book is raw.
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- It's really got personal stories in here.
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- I loved it, but tell us more about that internal struggle.
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- Yeah, well,
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- We're all complicated, and i think martin luther put it best.
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- He said the old me was drowned at water baptism.
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- But that guy is one good swimmer.
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- And, the old me is an olympic caliber swimmer.
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- You know, there's the jackson that i like.
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- And then there's that other guy, and he surfaces.
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- Paul put it like this.
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- The things that i know not to do, i find myself doing
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- The things that i hate, i end up doing.
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- And i think we all find ourselves
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- At times in those situations.
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- And yeah, there really are.
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- There's two of us inside of all of us.
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- And i think, you know,
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- The great analogy and parable is about the two wolves.
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- There's a good wolf on the shoulder.
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- There's an evil wolf on the shoulder,
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- And they're both vying for control.
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- And the one that you feed is the one that wins.
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- And, coming to the realization that i am complicated
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- When i look at just me.
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- I can't speak for anybody else,
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- But i think it's the human existence. i'm complicated.
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- I can be a saint.
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- One minute.
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- I can preach one great sermon,
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- And then i can be an absolute terror the next minute
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- Coming off stage. and it's this.
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- It's this duality.
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- And this is why i wrote the book, because we've seen it.
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- Unfortunately, so many pastors, so many ministers,
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- Get caught living the double life
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- And it gets blown out and people begin
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- To lose faith in the church and in the institution.
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- When they fall.
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- It's a big it's a big deal
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- Because they're living a double life. and,
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- Pastors aren't the only ones that live double lives, though
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- A lot of christians do as well.
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- And the only way to break free from
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- That is you have to acknowledge there's an issue.
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- And i don't think we're destined to live divided forever.
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- But if you do not address
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- It, you know, the saying is you cannot fix
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- What you refuse to face.
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- And i've had to come to that realization.
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- You know, i can recall one time sunday morning
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- Got up, preached, felt like it was a good sermon.
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- God moved in the service and i walked off stage
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- Feeling like, man, i am the man of god.
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- And then i went home
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- And i started intense fellowship with my wife.
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- And, you probably know a little bit about that.
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- Anyone married does.
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- And a little contentious.
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- It's a little, you know, we don't call it fighting.
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- We call it intense fellowship. and,
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- It dawned on me, how did i go from being used
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- By god preaching a sermon that ministered to people.
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- Just hours before.
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- Hours before, and then here i am instigating.
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- I wasn't the recipient.
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- I started it,
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- And there's two of us in all of us.
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- And we have to face this reality, and the bible's
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- Full of them. you have simon peter.
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- Yeah, you have jacob, who is also israel.
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- You can go through the list of all these people.
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- Even elijah, who you name.
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- Yeah. elijah.
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- But, you know, in one chapter, he calls down fire from heaven,
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- Kills the prophets of baal.
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- The very next chapter, he suicidal?
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- Yeah.
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- How do you go from such great faith to call down fire
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- From heaven? yeah.
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- To being suicidal. the very next chapter.
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- It's that duality that we all experience.
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- And i think bringing that to the surface
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- Is the first step, because none of us
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- Want to live the double life.
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- But if we're not careful, we can find ourselves there.
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- And like i said, too
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- Many pastors, ministers and christians have had that
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- Instance of being exposed as the terminology.
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- But god doesn't want you living that double life.
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- Yeah. and there's a pathway to freedom. yeah.
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- And only jesus, of course, was perfect in the book.
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- You break down, look, we're going to fall
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- Because we still have that sin nature.
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- Even before
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- Walking with the lord, we've got the holy spirit
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- Who tames that evil wolf on the shoulder.
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- We're still going to fall.
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- He talk more about that pastor jackson,
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- How we should deal
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- As complicated people
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- In our moments of failure when we do fall.
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- How we can kind of get up, brush ourselves, back off again.
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- How should we handle the failures? yeah.
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- Well, failure is inevitable because we are fallen people.
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- So what we have to realize is that whenever we sin,
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- Whenever we fall short, we don't run from god.
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- That will keep us falling short and sinning.
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- We have to run to god. just like the prodigal son.
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- The prodigal son ran from his father
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- And it wasn't until he hit rock bottom
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- That he woke up and said, i'm going to go back home.
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- And the father embraced him.
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- And so whenever we do
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- Fail, we go immediately to god, not from god.
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- And here is something that's very important.
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- I think people have to understand
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- That when you confess your sins to god, he's faithful.
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- He forgives you every single time.
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- But here's what i've learned.
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- You can be forgiven of sin, but not healed of it
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- At the exact same time
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- That you can go to god and you can confess your sin to him.
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- And you know what?
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- God is so good he'll forgive you.
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- But we've all been there.
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- God, if you'll forgive me one more time, i'll never.
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- I'll never, you know, every every one of everyone.
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- Just finish that sentence. i'll never do it again.
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- Three weeks later. what do you do?
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- You do it again?
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- Yeah. and you go back to god.
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- And what?
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- You. god. i'm sorry.
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- I'll never do it again.
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- God forgives you, but you haven't been healed.
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- And james five, verse 16.
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- This is the key.
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- James 516 says, if you'll confess your sins
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- One to another, you will be healed.
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- So we confess our sins to god to receive forgiveness, but
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- We come to one another in order to be healed of our sin.
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- That's the power of confession, vulnerability, honesty.
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- Now, this doesn't mean
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- That you go and post all your secrets on social media.
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- Jesus says, don't cast your pearls before swine.
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- And social media is full of a bunch of swine.
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- No doubt.
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- But you have to have people in your life
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- That you can go to, and you can open up and be vulnerable with.
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- I am struggling with whatever it may be.
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- I confess it to god. he forgives me.
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- But it's when i get in community and relationship
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- With other people and i open up about my struggles, that
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- That's where healing takes place.
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- And that is so important because when we hide our sin,
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- It only grows.
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- And so we have to shed light on what we're struggling with.
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- And we have to do that with trusted people, people
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- That we're in community and relationship with. amen.
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- Pastor jackson, well said.
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- And up next, what does the bible actually say
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- About government, law and order and justice and why ice agents
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- Are at the center of a growing national firestorm?
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- Stick around.
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- Stick around.
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- Talk about transparency in this book.
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- Divided breaking free from the other me, folks.
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- By the way, amazon.com,
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- Wherever books are sold, it's a must read.
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- You get really raw and open about your own life
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- And the cover folks of the book.
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- You can see pastor jackson here.
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- That image of divided.
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- Talk a bit more about your personal at times struggles
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- And how you laid it all out in the book.
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- Yeah, i figured that if i'm asking other people
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- To get real, raw, vulnerable so they can get healed,
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- I should probably be the first one to do it.
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- So i really share
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- Things in the book about my own personal struggles.
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- Starting back when i was 17,
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- I became a dad and it shook my world.
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- It brought me to christ, thank god.
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- But then i got remarried, so i here i was.
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- I checked all the boxes
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- To disqualify myself from being a pastor.
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- I have a kid at 17.
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- I'm divorced early in my early 20s
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- Because everyone said, you guys don't have to get married.
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- You can have a child, doesn't mean you have to get married.
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- I was a new christian.
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- I thought, no, this is what we're going to do.
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- It was a disaster.
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- So here i am, early 20s. yeah.
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- I got a child. i'm divorced.
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- Yet god's calling me in the ministry.
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- Then i get remarried. so you check those boxes?
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- There's a lot of denominations
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- That would have nothing to do with me.
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- Simply because of those boxes.
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- And here i am, remarried in ministry.
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- And we have a blended family.
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- We have five kids now, but i always dreaded
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- When someone would ask me, do you have any kids?
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- And i would say, yeah, i got five.
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- And then their follow up question couldn't stand it.
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- How old are your kids?
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- And you would think that's an easy question.
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- Well, i have 216 year olds now,
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- And when i say they're 16, 13,
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- Eight and six, their question is, oh, so do you have twins?
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- And then all of a sudden i'd have to say, no.
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- Yeah, we don't have twins.
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- And then i'd have to open up and and i was always
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- So embarrassed of that.
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- I was so ashamed,
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- Because of just kind of the boxes that we think
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- A pastor ought to be in.
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- And for years it took me overcoming that.
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- I don't have to apologize for my redemption.
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- It's part of my story.
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- And so being real, being vulnerable,
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- I think the church in america
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- Had put up this facade for many years.
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- This fake it til you make it christianity.
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- And it's really turned off a lot of people.
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- What i've discovered is authenticity is actually
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- Attractive, that i can show my scars, my wounds.
- 00:11:08.258 --> 00:11:12.796
- Paul did this.
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- Paul could have used the filter of i'm a great apostle.
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- I'm the apostle to the gentiles,
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- But instead he opens up with the corinthians
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- And says, i got a thorn in my flesh.
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- I'm struggling, just like you guys are struggling.
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- And he's the great apostle.
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- And i think there's some attraction
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- To when we're authentic.
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- And that's where healing can take place,
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- Where we're not faking it until we make it.
- 00:11:33.483 --> 00:11:36.219
- Because, you know, this,
- 00:11:36.219 --> 00:11:37.654
- If you fake it til you make it, you'll never actually make it.
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- You got to get real now.
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- You're authentic, pastor jackson,
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- You are relatable. i've seen you in action
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- At sheridan church in tulsa, oklahoma.
- 00:11:44.694 --> 00:11:47.030
- Hey, and you're moving and shaking.
- 00:11:47.030 --> 00:11:49.332
- You ran for senate a few years ago.
- 00:11:49.332 --> 00:11:50.734
- Obviously, you're a member of president
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- Trump's faith advisory board.
- 00:11:52.169 --> 00:11:53.436
- You're in dc frequently
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- Talk about some of the challenges that come there, too.
- 00:11:55.405 --> 00:11:57.407
- And you talk about a bit in divided.
- 00:11:57.407 --> 00:11:59.009
- It could be ambition and things like that.
- 00:11:59.009 --> 00:12:01.444
- I think we all struggle with that.
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- Or, talk a bit more about that kind of taming that inner beast
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- At that.
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- Yeah.
- 00:12:06.583 --> 00:12:07.818
- Well, i mean, we all have an innate desire to be successful.
- 00:12:07.818 --> 00:12:10.287
- We all have.
- 00:12:10.620 --> 00:12:11.288
- And god wired us like that.
- 00:12:11.288 --> 00:12:12.989
- Everything we're to put our hands to should succeed.
- 00:12:12.989 --> 00:12:15.325
- That's that's the way we're designed and wired.
- 00:12:15.325 --> 00:12:17.661
- But it can be a lot like chasing the wind,
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- Is what solomon puts it in the book of ecclesiastes.
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- That was your. first. that was my first book.
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- Another must read. excellent. we talked about it on stage.
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- We did do this one.
- 00:12:27.604 --> 00:12:28.839
- But there is that, there is that,
- 00:12:28.839 --> 00:12:31.875
- Solomon said, i acquired everything you could want.
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- He had women, too many women.
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- He had money, he had fame, he had power, he had everything.
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- And he said, i look back on my life
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- And i would just chase the wind. i never actually caught it.
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- And so all of those things, having a wife,
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- Not many wives, but having a wife,
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- Having wealth, having success, those are good things.
- 00:12:50.727 --> 00:12:53.964
- But if that is your life purpose,
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- You're going to look back and you're going
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- To find yourself void and empty.
- 00:12:57.767 --> 00:12:59.603
- That is why jesus tells us, seek first the kingdom of god
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- And his righteousness, and that's our purpose.
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- And if we do that, everything else will follow suit.
- 00:13:06.142 --> 00:13:09.813
- But in a world of politics, ambition, striving, trying to
- 00:13:09.813 --> 00:13:15.018
- I mean, it's
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- It's dirty by nature
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- And you have
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- To guard yourself in that world, because if you don't,
- 00:13:19.022 --> 00:13:21.925
- You can find yourself in some trouble.
- 00:13:21.925 --> 00:13:24.060
- So i think we see that with a lot of politicians,
- 00:13:24.060 --> 00:13:26.062
- We go in with good intentions
- 00:13:26.062 --> 00:13:27.898
- And then they come out dirty and nasty and corrupt.
- 00:13:27.898 --> 00:13:30.867
- It's called the swamp for a reason,
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- But it's in the process of being drained.
- 00:13:32.535 --> 00:13:34.070
- By the way, still, with president trump,
- 00:13:34.070 --> 00:13:35.872
- You know well, and you're in dc frequently, as i mentioned,
- 00:13:35.872 --> 00:13:38.575
- Talk a bit more just shifting gears a bit.
- 00:13:38.575 --> 00:13:40.243
- And again, folks divided breaking free from the other me.
- 00:13:40.243 --> 00:13:43.546
- Incredible book for these times, amazon.com.
- 00:13:43.546 --> 00:13:46.483
- Wherever books are sold, talk a bit more
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- About the return of faith to the white house
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- And the emphasis put on faith and jesus in the west wing.
- 00:13:52.789 --> 00:13:57.694
- Yeah, well, i would say this
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- Not only are we living in historic times
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- With what is happening with the trump administration,
- 00:14:01.898 --> 00:14:04.301
- You could argue it's nearly biblical times.
- 00:14:04.301 --> 00:14:06.636
- What we're seeing happening in our nation
- 00:14:06.636 --> 00:14:09.306
- That many and i myself am guilty of thought we were lost,
- 00:14:09.306 --> 00:14:13.076
- Didn't know if we could actually get the ship back on course.
- 00:14:13.076 --> 00:14:17.180
- And president trump is a man of his word.
- 00:14:17.180 --> 00:14:20.150
- He told all the pastors on the campaign trail,
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- If you all help get me elected, we'll start a faith office.
- 00:14:22.719 --> 00:14:25.889
- He did what he said he was going to do,
- 00:14:25.889 --> 00:14:27.657
- And now there is a faith office, first time ever
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- In the west wing and, right next to the oval office.
- 00:14:30.560 --> 00:14:33.797
- And this is a sign that the president has put god first.
- 00:14:33.797 --> 00:14:39.502
- And in fact, he said those words,
- 00:14:39.502 --> 00:14:41.171
- Not only does america want god, we need god.
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- And so when you have a leader
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- And when you have a president that is submitted to god first,
- 00:14:47.043 --> 00:14:50.613
- Not me first, but god first,
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- I think that's why we're seeing the tremendous sudden change.
- 00:14:52.749 --> 00:14:56.086
- They are, and they're also dealing,
- 00:14:56.086 --> 00:14:57.887
- As we know, pastor jackson, with some very big problems
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- In the middle east coming up after the break.
- 00:15:00.323 --> 00:15:03.093
- Iran isn't just israel's problem.
- 00:15:03.093 --> 00:15:05.962
- Remember, the ayatollahs call america the great satan.
- 00:15:05.962 --> 00:15:09.833
- Why this fight is bigger than the middle east, and why
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- Confronting evil abroad matters for every american family.
- 00:15:13.069 --> 00:15:17.507
- That's next.
- 00:15:17.841 --> 00:15:22.009
- That's next.
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- We talked about in the book divided.
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- There's two forces kind of competing inside of us,
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- But in america writ large, it seems like
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- There is an intense spiritual battle unfolding,
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- And much of it right now
- 00:15:36.236 --> 00:15:37.203
- Seems to be unfolding against ice agents
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- And their efforts to clean up our streets.
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- Talk more about. that.
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- Yeah. isn't that interesting?
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- You know,
- 00:15:43.910 --> 00:15:44.911
- We always talk about the battle and america's
- 00:15:44.911 --> 00:15:47.080
- Democrats, republicans.
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- And i think it transcends that.
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- I think it's good and evil.
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- And when you look at ice agents, when you look at the trump
- 00:15:51.851 --> 00:15:55.388
- Administration and you read, how does god define government?
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- What is the role of civil government according to god?
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- Well, god says that civil government
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- Is there to punish wrongdoers and to protect good citizens.
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- And so as ice agents are going and getting wrongdoers
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- To protect good citizens, they're actually carrying out
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- God's call on their life.
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- So when you are attacking them, you're
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- Actually attacking god's plan, god's purpose.
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- And i don't think a lot of people understand that.
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- And so
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- Are ministers of justice is what the bible describes them as.
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- And we need
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- To be praying for them
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- Because they're actually putting their life on the line
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- To help protect our streets, our children, our neighborhoods.
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- And god bless them and thank god for them.
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- And so we have to rally behind
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- Them, though, because what they're doing
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- Is biblical in nature.
- 00:16:49.843 --> 00:16:51.311
- So can a christian support ice agents? yes.
- 00:16:51.311 --> 00:16:54.781
- That's not just an old testament thing.
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- It's a new testament concept.
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- We should, we must.
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- We need to be praying for them
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- And that there would be peace in our streets
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- And that there would be harmony in our nation.
- 00:17:03.523 --> 00:17:05.992
- But in order to have that, you have to have law and order,
- 00:17:05.992 --> 00:17:08.528
- Because if you don't, that other side, that dark side,
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- No doubt that evil side will take over.
- 00:17:12.699 --> 00:17:15.568
- Yeah.
- 00:17:15.568 --> 00:17:16.669
- And so you have to check evil doesn't stop itself.
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- Evil has to be checked.
- 00:17:18.905 --> 00:17:20.406
- Evil. evil has to be taken over.
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- Otherwise it'll take over itself.
- 00:17:23.343 --> 00:17:25.111
- And so, yeah,
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- As a christian, as a pastor, if people ask me all the time,
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- Do you support what isis doing?
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- They say 110%.
- 00:17:30.817 --> 00:17:32.418
- They're doing what god has called them to do.
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- God's designated them.
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- It's not my i cannot take justice into my own hands.
- 00:17:36.089 --> 00:17:39.492
- That's vigilante justice.
- 00:17:39.492 --> 00:17:41.027
- That is not god honoring,
- 00:17:41.027 --> 00:17:42.562
- But civil government is to administer justice.
- 00:17:42.562 --> 00:17:45.098
- And that's what president trump
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- And the administration is doing.
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- And they're arresting and deporting,
- 00:17:47.700 --> 00:17:49.302
- I mean, the worst of the worst. we're talking
- 00:17:49.302 --> 00:17:51.237
- Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, the list goes on.
- 00:17:51.237 --> 00:17:54.974
- He mentioned a minute ago
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- That we basically need to confront evil.
- 00:17:56.309 --> 00:17:59.345
- I think of the iranian regime right now and president trump
- 00:17:59.345 --> 00:18:02.315
- Confronting the ayatollahs talk a bit more about that.
- 00:18:02.315 --> 00:18:05.718
- Pastor jackson,
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- The importance to hold evil accountable
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- In the foreign policy realm as well.
- 00:18:08.421 --> 00:18:10.290
- Yeah.
- 00:18:10.290 --> 00:18:11.157
- Well, i think the old reagan motto,
- 00:18:11.157 --> 00:18:12.759
- You're going to have peace through strength.
- 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:15.395
- President biden taught us that weakness does not create peace.
- 00:18:15.395 --> 00:18:19.966
- It creates a world that is on fire.
- 00:18:19.966 --> 00:18:22.035
- And president trump,
- 00:18:22.035 --> 00:18:23.836
- In just a short amount of time, i don't think
- 00:18:23.836 --> 00:18:25.638
- We're only one year in.
- 00:18:25.638 --> 00:18:27.607
- This is all happened with it.
- 00:18:27.607 --> 00:18:28.875
- So much has happened, so.
- 00:18:28.875 --> 00:18:30.276
- It's hard to i'm there.
- 00:18:30.276 --> 00:18:31.811
- It's hard to keep up with everything that is happening.
- 00:18:31.811 --> 00:18:34.380
- And so the strength bringing about peace really does work.
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- We're seeing it.
- 00:18:39.586 --> 00:18:40.320
- We're seeing it in israel.
- 00:18:40.320 --> 00:18:41.387
- We're seeing in russia, ukraine, africa,
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- All these different places.
- 00:18:43.523 --> 00:18:45.124
- The ayatollah is evil by its very nature,
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- And it is hell bent on not just destroying the jewish people.
- 00:18:48.761 --> 00:18:52.799
- I don't think people. they think it's a jewish thing.
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- It's also a western thing.
- 00:18:55.568 --> 00:18:57.670
- They may be the little satan.
- 00:18:57.670 --> 00:18:59.105
- We're described as the great satan.
- 00:18:59.105 --> 00:19:00.773
- We're the crown jewel.
- 00:19:00.773 --> 00:19:02.442
- And so we're either going to fight that battle in iran,
- 00:19:02.442 --> 00:19:06.779
- Or they're going to take that battle
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- Here to the united states.
- 00:19:08.615 --> 00:19:10.416
- And so president trump is doing, i believe, what he must do
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- In order to protect us.
- 00:19:14.187 --> 00:19:15.488
- They're not an isolated
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- Where they're just
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- Going to attack israel, and then they'll leave us alone.
- 00:19:18.324 --> 00:19:21.327
- Now, that is not the case at all.
- 00:19:21.327 --> 00:19:22.895
- And anyone who thinks that has another thing coming.
- 00:19:22.895 --> 00:19:25.331
- And they don't know history. no, no.
- 00:19:25.331 --> 00:19:27.367
- Before israel was reborn as a nation in 1948,
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- Wave after wave of jihad came
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- Against the west for centuries. yes.
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- Yeah.
- 00:19:33.973 --> 00:19:35.074
- Listen, the greatest threat the west has ever faced
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- Has been, and still is today, islam.
- 00:19:37.610 --> 00:19:40.780
- That is a worldwide caliphate, sharia law.
- 00:19:40.780 --> 00:19:44.284
- That is the endgame goal.
- 00:19:44.284 --> 00:19:46.119
- And it is evil by nature.
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- And so if we do not stop it there, it's, it's.
- 00:19:48.187 --> 00:19:52.625
- And you could argue
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- It's already here.
- 00:19:54.527 --> 00:19:56.229
- And tulsa, oklahoma,
- 00:19:56.229 --> 00:19:57.730
- Your hometown has become a bit of a battleground on that.
- 00:19:57.730 --> 00:20:01.000
- Well, you know, we've vowed
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- We're not going to allow tulsa
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- To become the next dearborn, michigan.
- 00:20:04.103 --> 00:20:06.005
- But we're on that trajectory.
- 00:20:06.005 --> 00:20:07.473
- A lot of people don't realize you think tulsa.
- 00:20:07.473 --> 00:20:09.709
- You think the buckle of the bible belt.
- 00:20:09.709 --> 00:20:11.110
- We got a church on every corner of every street.
- 00:20:11.110 --> 00:20:13.746
- But in tulsa.
- 00:20:13.746 --> 00:20:14.914
- Just to give you a couple of examples, we just fought
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- And won a battle over a 3000 person mosque.
- 00:20:18.351 --> 00:20:21.921
- Now think about that
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- 3000 person mosque to megamind.
- 00:20:23.856 --> 00:20:26.693
- That's a mega mosque.
- 00:20:26.693 --> 00:20:27.794
- Yeah, not only that, a mile from my church in tulsa,
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- There is a store that's been open for over a year now
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- That only sells burqas only. so.
- 00:20:33.866 --> 00:20:36.736
- So how do you have a store that only sells burqas?
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- Well, you have to have clients. yeah.
- 00:20:40.373 --> 00:20:42.308
- So we have been invaded by
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- Islamic immigrants in tulsa, texas as well.
- 00:20:45.278 --> 00:20:48.381
- Yeah.
- 00:20:48.381 --> 00:20:49.449
- And if we do not step up and preserve our nation,
- 00:20:49.449 --> 00:20:52.652
- They're not here to assimilate.
- 00:20:52.652 --> 00:20:54.020
- They'll be the first to tell you that.
- 00:20:54.020 --> 00:20:55.455
- That's why they want their own compounds
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- With sharia law.
- 00:20:57.190 --> 00:20:58.424
- If we do not fight it,
- 00:20:58.424 --> 00:20:59.959
- Our children are going to pay for it.
- 00:20:59.959 --> 00:21:02.328
- Hey, we've got a lot of challenges.
- 00:21:02.328 --> 00:21:03.996
- Clearly, you laid it out beautifully.
- 00:21:03.996 --> 00:21:05.431
- Just said pastor jackson. look internal.
- 00:21:05.431 --> 00:21:07.700
- The book divided folks breaking free from the other me.
- 00:21:07.700 --> 00:21:10.636
- Pick it up right now, wherever books are sold.
- 00:21:10.636 --> 00:21:12.638
- So we've got internal struggles.
- 00:21:12.638 --> 00:21:14.407
- We've got civilizational struggles in america as well.
- 00:21:14.407 --> 00:21:18.010
- With all that in mind, can you take us out in prayer?
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- Absolutely. we need it.
- 00:21:20.546 --> 00:21:22.582
- Here's the good thing there's power in prayer, is there not?
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- Father, we thank you for your goodness
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- That you love every single one of us
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- And that you do not need us, but you choose to have us
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- And to use us. and so, father,
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- I pray for everyone who is watching right now.
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- That is, they are fighting their own
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- Struggles, living a divided life,
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- That you give them wisdom and courage,
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- That they would confess their sins to you,
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- But then also to those in their community
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- So they can not only be forgiven,
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- But they could be healed.
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- And father, we pray for our nation as well.
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- We confess the sins of our nation to you
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- So that you'll bring healing to our land and god.
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- We pray for our president and the administration
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- That you give them divine wisdom and insight to help
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- Make america great again by making america godly again.
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- And we pray these things in jesus name.
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- Amen. amen.
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- Well, earlier pastor jackson,
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- I talked about the inner struggle every believer faces.
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- What does the bible say about that and how to win it?
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- My final thoughts after the break. don't move.
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- My final thoughts after the break. don't move.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight, folks,
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- As we wrap up here.
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- What a great conversation with pastor jackson
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- Lahmeyer talking about the internal struggles
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- Every believer faces.
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- But remember, no bad how it gets,
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- No matter how strong the temptation is.
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- Remember the words of second
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- Corinthians, chapter five, verse 17.
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- Therefore, if anyone is in christ,
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- The new creation has come, the old has gone,
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- The new is here.
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- You are born again.
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- You're a new creation in christ.
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- You will be able to
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- Survive any struggle that the enemy throws at you.
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- So be confident, be bold and be encouraged as we move forward.
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- Speaking of which, great shows next week charlie kirk's pastor,
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- Rob mccoy is with us.
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- You want to hear what he has to say about revival?
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- Good things happening.
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- Until then, have a great weekend.
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- God bless you and we'll see you soon.
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