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Erick Stakelbeck: February 4, 2026 | Stakelbeck Tonight

February 4, 2026 | 23:28

Join Erick Stakelbeck on Stakelbeck Tonight as he delves into the resurgence of the Bible's popularity, especially among young people. The show explores the archeological evidence supporting the resurrection of Jesus with leading Christian apologist, Doctor Jeremiah Johnson. Unveiling the mysteries of the Shroud of Turin, Dead Sea Scrolls, and the recent groundbreaking discoveries like the cursed tablet, they present a compelling case for the truth of God's Word. In a captivating discussion, they navigate through the intersection of faith, history, and evidence, revealing the timeless power of the Gospel in a world seeking revival and truth.

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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: February 4, 2026 | Stakelbeck Tonight | February 4, 2026

I. welcome to stakelbeck tonight, i'm erick stakelbeck,
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And the best selling
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Book in world history is flying off the shelves once again,
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The bible is seeing an incredible resurgence,
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According to a new report from the wall street journal.
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Now, to put this in perspective, overall print book
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Sales were up only 1% during the same period.
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So folks, what we have here is a massive renewed
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Interest in the bible, especially among young people.
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The report says there's been a surge in young
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First time buyers, generation z, it credits
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New designs and marketing, but more importantly,
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An increase in anxiety over the state of the world with
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Wars and rumors of war.
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Economic uncertainty.
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Two things here.
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Number one, i believe this massive surge in bible sales
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Shows yet again
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That we are in a time where an american revival is possible.
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The great turning back to god that our country
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So desperately needs.
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I believe donald trump's
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Election victory is part of that.
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A golden opportunity for our nation.
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And number two, i've got good news for all those
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Who are reading the good news for the first time.
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It's going to change your life in wonderful ways,
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And you can believe every single word of it,
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Including the resurrection of jesus.
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One of the world's leading christian apologist is here
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To present rock solid archeological proof for the
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Most important and pivotal event in world history.
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And it all starts now.
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Folks, our
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Culture is doing its best to convince the world
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That there's nothing special about jesus.
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And many christians, let's be honest, have never moved
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Beyond a sunday school understanding of their faith.
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That's why christianity's most important historical fact
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The resurrection, is often just limited to easter sunday
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Or funerals.
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This lack of understanding can lead to a powerless faith.
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Yet we're told in romans
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That we're more than conquerors through christ jesus.
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If you need proof of that,
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Doctor jeremiah johnson is here to bring it.
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He's associate pastor of apologetics
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And cultural engagement at preston wood baptist church
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And one of today's leading christian apologists.
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His latest book is body of proof the seven best reasons
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To believe in the resurrection of jesus
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And why it matters today in this book.
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Doctor johnson makes a powerful case
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For the resurrection, including the latest
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Archeological findings, along with seven tangible reasons
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To believe that jesus truly rose from the dead.
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He also heads up the christian thinkers society.
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Jeremiah, great to have you with us as always.
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Eric, it's so great to be with you and i'm excited.
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We have some big stuff to talk about, but a.
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First body of proof. great book.
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And some might say, well, why is it necessary
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As followers of jesus as christians?
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Certainly we all believe in the resurrection.
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It's a central tenet of our faith.
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And yet that's not the case, right?
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That's more about it.
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Well, eric, one thing that you do so well
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Throughout all of your programs is
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You equip us with a biblical worldview.
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It's the essential aspect of following
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Jesus, having a biblical worldview.
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We often forget, though, the center
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Of a biblical worldview is the death, burial,
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And physical bodily resurrection of jesus.
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And most believers
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Who are watching right now and listening say, hey,
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I believe in the resurrection of jesus,
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But i don't know why i believe in it.
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I don't know why the evidence stacks up
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That we believe a dead man rose again, physically and bodily.
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And what's been so great about my new book,
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Body of proof, is that in just three hours
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Of reading, you're going to be totally up
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To speed on the best reasons to believe in the resurrection.
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And guess what?
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There are many reasons, even outside the bible.
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As you pointed out from archeology,
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There isn't great evidence based reasons to believe
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That jesus rose from the grave.
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And i'm here also to raise an alarm.
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We're all concerned about gen z and gen alpha.
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You talk a lot about it on your programs.
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I'm concerned being a dad of five gen z's.
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Do you know right now only 33% of gen z christians
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See belief
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In the bodily of resurrection of jesus as an essential belief.
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That means the majority of gen z christians
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Think that the resurrection of jesus isn't optional.
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Believe. what do we see reflected in the new testament?
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Eric. first corinthians 15 three.
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Paul says, what i'm about to give you
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Is a matter of first importance, that christ died for our sins
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According to the scriptures, that he was buried,
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And that he rose again
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On the third day according to the scriptures.
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Paul gives us
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32,000 words in the new testament,
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But he says, when i'm about to write about the gospel,
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It's the most important. so guess black and white?
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No, gray. it's there. it's not optional.
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It's essential. and that's why i wrote body of proof.
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Yeah. and it's excellent. and you laid it out.
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You said in three hours, jeremiah.
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It is an easy read.
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Number one. it's entertaining. it's informative, but it's not.
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You're a scholar.
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You're one of the top of voices in apologetics
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In this nation today.
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But it's not over anyone's heads.
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That's what i love about it.
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You break it down
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In a very easy to understand way just for the average person.
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And that's what we need right now.
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Generation z, a chunk of generation
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Z saying that the resurrection didn't happen.
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But it goes further than that, right?
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I mean, people,
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Young kids, you might say, okay,
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They're finding their way in their faith,
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But there's people even in leading academic institutions,
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Renowned theologians who don't believe in the resurrection.
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Yeah, they. call it imaginative storytelling.
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I know this
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Because when i defended
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My thesis, which is pass fail in the uk,
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Meaning if you fail your defense,
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You don't ever get to do a phd in the uk on that matter.
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Again. and this is oxford university.
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Yeah, creme de la creme.
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And i'm there.
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I'm it's december of 2012 and i'm defending my 93,000 word
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Thesis on the physical bodily resurrection of jesus.
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And a scholar in the gospel of mark
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Says, now, jeremy, i have one question.
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He said, do you actually believe
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The resurrection of jesus really happened?
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And he had this look on his face and he said,
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Or is that just imaginative storytelling?
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And i said, oh, the evidence leads me to believe
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Jesus physically, bodily rose from the grave.
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I believe that with all my heart
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He goes, i don't see it that way.
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Let's start your viva voce in latin, your oral defense.
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So we see it in scholarship. we see it in media.
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We even see it in competing religions.
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Sura for ayah 157.
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When you read the koran,
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It says that jesus did not die on the cross.
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Therefore he did not rise from the dead.
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And so as careful christian thinkers
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As people that understand the times, eric,
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We want to be like the tribe of issachar,
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Men and women who understood the times.
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They knew what israel should do.
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This is a trending question, and i'm kind of tired,
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As you said in the monologue of the,
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Lackluster belief in the resurrection.
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First corinthians 1558 says, because jesus is rose
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From the grave, everything i do for god matters right now.
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Everything right? we're a royal priesthood, right?
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I really think we have collective amnesia.
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In many case, said the body of christ,
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The power that dwells within us because of the resurrection
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And the holy spirit has come upon us.
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How did that go, by the way?
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That oral defense?
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I'm just curious. yeah, thanks for asking.
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Everybody always wants me to finish,
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And i read about it in the book.
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I not only did he pass me, he passed me with commendation
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And later recommended my book
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To be published as an academic monograph.
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And so i don't know where he's at spiritually.
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Yeah, he was convinced by the arguments that i gave
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For the evidence. and i'm not surprised.
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I'm not surprised by that.
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Coming up, doctor jeremiah johnson reveals the inside
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Story behind the shroud of turin and the dead sea scrolls,
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And why these groundbreaking discoveries matter to you.
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That's next.
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That's next.
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Archeology.
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How did you become so attracted to this medium, as you said?
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Look.
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Biblical archeology relatively new, right?
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Right. how did that draw you in? so much?
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I'm fascinated with it.
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We both have talked about our time
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On the ground in israel. nothing like it.
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And you're walking in the footsteps of jesus
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And your faith is coming to life.
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You're literally holding a piece of it
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In your hands, these artifacts.
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How did you get so drawn to it?
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Because i want to know how
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To interpret the scripture with more precision.
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Without archeology, we would not understand
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With the precision
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And clarity that we have today how to interpret scriptures.
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That's what drove me to it.
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Secondly, eric,
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I know you realize this, but for benefit of the audience,
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No other religion has archeology like the christian religion,
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Do you? are you aware of that?
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I mean, there the new york times ran several op eds recently
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That the jewish temple never existed.
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Oh, yeah.
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Think about that for a minute.
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Quoting, of course, islamic clerics that,
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You know, the jewish temple is like santa claus or tooth,
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The tooth fairy. it was just a fanciful thing.
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This is a new york time.
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This is a new york used.
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To be the paper. of red.
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And again, that's just fake history.
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Yeah.
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Do we realize that
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No other religion like christianity can engage
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The agnostic
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Or atheist leaning archeologists with evidence for our faith?
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Buddhism doesn't appreciate archeology.
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Shintoism doesn't care about archeology.
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Only judaism.
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Our sister in the faith
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Literally appreciates archeology. islam doesn't.
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The koran says there's 70 moons.
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I mean, why would you care about archeology?
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The book of the koran is a book
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About subjugating the world and making it islamic.
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We often hear, oh, religions are all the same.
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No, they have different claims and they have different aims.
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And christianity comes along and it helps us understand
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The gospels better.
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We have 89 chapters in the gospel,
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But we only have really about 26 days of the life of jesus
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That we read about in matthew, mark, luke, and john
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Without archeology.
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When jesus scolds the man who wants to go and bury his father,
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We think, well, wait a minute, why is jesus being unkind?
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No, that man was delaying his obedience
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Because he might not various father.
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And then a process called oscillating him.
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Second burial.
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For a year
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He was putting off his obedience to jesus for a year.
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Without archeology, we see that jesus might not.
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Hey, it's not like. a sack that's kind of horse.
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Let him bury. yeah, it's just like a little parrot.
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He was delaying it.
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He was given jesus the stiff arm.
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The dad had been dead for maybe a year, and jesus knew that.
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And again,
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That's what helps us
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When you stand on the mount of olives
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Like you have, and you see the actuaries there,
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150,000 jewish jews at least buried on the mount of olives.
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Yeah.
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It throws the teaching of jesus in a whole new light.
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Body of proof, a blockbuster.
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Great book. thank you.
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You've been out talking about the book, obviously.
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Also talking about the shroud of turin.
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Speaking of i,
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We recently i that i rendering of the shroud of turin.
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Now many people you and i have discussed this, jeremiah.
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Many people have said, well, the shroud of turin, it's
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Kind of a catholic relic.
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There's much more to it than that.
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And you think that truly is the burial shroud of jesus.
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Unpack that for us a bit. yes.
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And maybe for the average viewer,
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Watching might say shroud of turin.
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Oh, it's a forgery. it's not that old.
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Only a few centuries old, made in france.
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But you say? no. you think this is legit?
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When i began to read the scientific journals,
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Not just watch youtube videos, but journals
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By 50 different scientists,
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Some of them are from the air force academy, like eric jumper.
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Some of them are
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From sandia labs that literally they're weapons
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Specialists with
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With our atomic bombs here in the united states.
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When i get then began to read the lab reports from different,
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Non confessional universities and research labs, by non
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Confessional, i mean non-christian.
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They're secular.
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They don't have a, a christian bias for this to be accurate.
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When i began to study
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All the evidence for myself, it left me riveted
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Because here's why the shroud matters.
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If you believe in jesus and his resurrection,
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Then you should look after any evidence
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That would help us learn different aspects
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Or different layers of the resurrection of jesus.
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That's why it matters. so don't discount it.
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Let's look into it.
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Secondly, the gospel writers do not tell us what happens at
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The moment of the resurrection because no one was there.
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The disciples had all abandoned jesus.
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No one expected him to die on a roman cross.
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Isaiah 53 was not interpreted in jesus's day as we interpret
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It today.
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This is why the disciples didn't get it.
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This is why in matthew 16, jesus looks at
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Peter and says, get behind me, satan.
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You're not thinking of the things of god
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Trying to keep me from going to the cross.
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So when we look at the shroud,
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The shroud may give us the exact moment of resurrection,
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Because the gospels don't give us that.
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The gospels give us what's called empty tomb tradition.
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You go to the tomb and it's empty.
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And then they give us what's called appearance, tradition.
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Those individuals
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And groups of people that jesus appeared
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To over 40 days before his ascension.
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We don't actually get
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A description of what happens at the moment of resurrection.
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Very true.
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And the shroud is a burial garment with hundreds
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Of those from the land, israel, from the time of christ.
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The shroud is fascinating in that it has a molecular image
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Embedded in the 14ft long burial cloth that's linen.
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And it the image completely corroborates
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The entire crucifixion narratives
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That we have in the gospels,
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So much so that we have
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A crown of thorns with punctures all over the scalp.
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We have a side lance womb wound on the right side
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That's three inches wide.
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We have barbell like wound marks embedded in the body
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Of the crucified man.
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We know some 700 wounds.
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700 wounds in the crucified
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Man of the shroud, 120 flagellation marks.
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We know it's type ab semitic blood.
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We know that the, pollen, the floral aspects,
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The pollen on the shroud only come from the land of israel.
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Hey, any pushback on your, views on the shroud?
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Yeah.
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Especially in the evangelical world.
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We said, look, it's
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Been seen as a catholic relic over the years.
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So have you gotten some pushback?
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I've only received pushback
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From people that don't look at the evidence.
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So what does that tell you?
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Yeah, i love having a conversation
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With people who have read the evidence.
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I'm willing to answer your questions.
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Yeah, there are many people who see this as a catholic relic.
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And look, i'm allergic to a lot of catholic relics myself.
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I've been to them. i've seen them.
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This isn't a catholic relic.
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As eric has pointed out,
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The shroud did not come under the control.
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The shroud did not come under the control
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Of the catholic church until 1988.
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It was in private hands
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Throughout its whole history, until 1988.
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Where did it pass around, by the way?
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Yeah, it was in the holy land, obviously, 2000 years ago.
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Yeah. what's kind of the route that it took?
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Absolutely went through edessa.
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That's ed,
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Say, all the way up to constantinople,
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Where it was on to some makes sense.
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And then from constantinople, because of the crusades
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And all the bloodshed in the holy land, it made it way.
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It made its way to france, where ultimately now
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It's in turin, italy.
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That's why it's called the shroud of turin. yeah.
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You have your plane ticket, but i'm sure.
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You and i are going to go. yes.
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Together.
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No, we're going to do a stacks cast out from turin, italy.
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That is right. i'm counting on it. yeah, absolutely.
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We want to go around the horn with you.
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Yes, the dead sea scrolls, the big one, i mean.
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And look at right around the time
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Israel was reborn, obviously, 1947.
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Israel reborn in 48.
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Doesn't seem coincidental.
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The significance of the dead sea scrolls for you.
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The significance of the dead sea scrolls for me is that first,
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It's the most influential discovery of the 20th century.
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But why?
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It shows us that we have a stable text.
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Critics of the bible will say that translators late
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Forgers, messed
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With the wording of the bible to make jesus god,
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Or to get jesus to say things that he didn't really mean.
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Same with the old testament that the old testament is rife
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With errors.
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Can we really know what jeremiah wrote or isaiah?
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No, it's been interpolated.
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It's been changed by the translators
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Because our old testament is based on the empty text,
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The mass theoretic texts
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That the dead sea scrolls that were discovered.
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And we have all of them except the book of esther.
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Plus we have several other writings.
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So when i refer to the dead sea scrolls discoveries,
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We're talking about jars that had scrolls. so
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They're not papyrus fragments, they're not from a codex.
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They date to 250 years before jesus was even born.
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And we have the entire
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Library of the old testament except for the book of esther.
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We have the great isaiah scroll, which is identical in the dead
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Sea scrolls as it is to the mass theoretic texts.
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So when you read isaiah,
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You see in a thousand year scribal tradition
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Between the dead sea scrolls and the mass relic texts,
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Which are english old
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Testament is based on, there's no variance, there's no change.
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So the critical scholars are, again, completely show
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To be erroneous.
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Folks, if you like what you're hearing.
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This is just part of my interview
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With doctor jeremiah johnson.
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To hear our entire conversation, check out my podcast.
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It's called the stacks case.
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You can find it
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At apple, spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Up next, more amazing archeological evidence
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From doctor johnston that proves the absolute truth
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Of god's word.
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Don't move.
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Don't move.
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Digital archeology.
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You said a relatively new medium. yes. when did it?
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People might be saying, well, when did it start?
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We've always known archeology
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And we've heard about this all the time.
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But when did it actually start?
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1850. yes.
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Yeah, it started in the 19th century in earnest.
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Now i do want to give one footnote, if you don't mind.
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The mother of biblical archeology
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Is really queen helena.
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Yeah.
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Constantine's mom in 325 to 328 a.d., she.
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After constantine's conversion, she goes to the holy land
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And she begins to learn about these sacred spots.
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One of the results of the council of nicaea,
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When the early church fathers are there,
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They ask constantine at his expense to preserve
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Some of the holy sites and christianity,
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Because the bishops, the bibles, and,
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The buildings had all been burned
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And destroyed through the roman persecutions.
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And so out of 8325, the council of nicaea,
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Constantine's mother helena, goes to the holy land.
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That's where
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That's where we get the great history of the church
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Of the holy sepulcher and the church of the nativity.
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So, bethlehem. yes, exactly.
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And the true cross. there was some rumblings.
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You may have had that as well. absolutely.
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And so quite the archeologist.
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But then it goes dead for a while.
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And then
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And the post-enlightenment time we have the rise
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Of biblical archeology in all of its forms.
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So again, the. reformation played a part.
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Yes, the reformation would be a huge aspect in recovering
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The evidential basis for the bible. yeah.
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And why we believe in jesus. i love you.
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Took it all the way back to helena.
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Yes. well, i mean. mother of archeology.
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I love that theme.
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I've never heard it called the mother
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Of archeology, but it's so true.
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One more question.
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21st century shroud of turin.
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Obviously an older discovery.
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Dead sea scrolls 4748.
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Anything recently that's really piqued
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Your interest where you said, wow, this is.
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Yes, absolutely.
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And my friend doctor scott stripling,
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The archeologist who discovered the cursed tablet
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From mount gerizim and mount ebel.
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This is fascinating because it blows apart
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The documentary hypothesis.
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I've done a lot of videos on the cursed tablet.
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Turns out
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We've been cursing ourselves
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Since the beginning of and cursing others
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Since the beginning of civilization.
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But this comes right out of the book of joshua,
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Where they would bind themselves.
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They, the jewish people during the time of conquest,
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Would bind themselves to be blessed or cursed
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Based on their obedience to yahweh.
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They would then bind up the cursed tablet.
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With curse, curse, curse, curse be those
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That don't follow yahweh.
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They would bind themselves
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To this commitment of blessing and cursing,
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And then they would put it together.
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They would literally.
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And it's a lead tablet,
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And then they would cast it on the altar.
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Well, we have found the altar,
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And this curse tablet uses the name of god, yahweh,
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And the name of god el in the same cursed tablet.
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It predates
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The documentary hypothesis, which claims that, you know,
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You can't trust the old testament.
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The documentary hypothesis claims
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That moses didn't really write the pentateuch.
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This throws
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It all into a completely new light,
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Because you have the name of god,
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The personal name of god, yahweh.
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Hundreds of years discovered in the land of israel.
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The next closest discovery is from egypt, 400 years later.
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So about a thousand bc.
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That's the first name of god, yahweh, that we have discovered.
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So i think the,
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I think the iball curse tablet is essential reading for anyone
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Who cares about biblical archeology.
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It's a big one. hey, i don't want this to end.
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Unfortunately, doctor jeremiah johnson,
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Author of the great blockbuster body of proof, this
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And we said last time, man, we need to do it for a longer
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Kind of stretch. yes.
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And this was much longer, but it's still wasn't.
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We're still scratching.
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So i can listen to you all day long.
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I love your knowledge on everything, doctor jeremy.
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And i love that you're a man of prayer.
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You're a pastor at the end of the day of a pastor's heart.
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Can you close this out in prayer?
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I would. love that.
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Lord, thank you for these great evidences
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That give us greater confidence in our faith.
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Lord, as we leave here today, we want to be, as i said,
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Like the tribe of issachar, men and women
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Who understood the times, they knew what israel should do.
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You have blessed us with this great evidence
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For the physical, bodily resurrection of jesus.
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And we know that that same power
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That raised jesus from the dead dwells in us.
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And so, lord,
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I pray we would listen with ears that hear and apply
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These great truths
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And meanings to our life so that we can do it.
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First corinthians 1558 says, therefore be immovable.
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Be steadfast,
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Always abounding in the work of the lord,
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Knowing that your labor in the lord is not in vain.
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In jesus name, amen.
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Thanks again to doctor jeremiah johnson
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For those incredible insights, folks.
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Again, the book is called body of proof,
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And you can pick it up wherever books are sold.
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Up next, my final thoughts on why it's impossible
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To stop the gospel.
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Stick around.
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Stick around.
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Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight,
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As we wrap up here and in thinking about our
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Great conversation tonight with doctor jeremiah
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Johnson, revealing that rock solid
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Archeological proof for the resurrection,
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I think of the gospel of luke, chapter 19, verses 39 and 40.
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Some of the pharisees in the crowd said to jesus,
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Teacher, rebuke your disciples, i tell you.
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Jesus replied, if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.
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What we see with these amazing archeological finds
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Is that the stones are literally crying out today.
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Amazing to see until tomorrow night.
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God bless you. see you soon.
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Erick Stakelbeck: February 4, 2026 | Stakelbeck Tonight

February 4, 2026 | 23:28

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