From wars and rumors of war abroad, to the rise of anti-Christian, "woke" ideology here at home, it’s clear that Americans are living in perilous and unprecedented times. Some would even say that we’re witnessing biblical prophecy unfold in real time. Stakelbeck Tonight will make sense of these stunning developments through a bold and biblical lens.
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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: Finding Joy in God's Presence | Stakelbeck Tonight | June 30, 2025
- People
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- Say, the american church is so unholy.
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- Why is that the case?
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- Well, american christians are beyond unhappy.
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- The state. the stats are incredible.
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- We've bought into. money will make us happy.
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- Material things will make us happy.
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- Relationships will make it.
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- If i just had this.
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- A lot of people say.
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- Why do bad things happen to good people?
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- Why does evil exist? why does god allow it?
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- It's the number one question
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- Among every agnostic and atheist, right?
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- For all of time. it's an important. one.
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- We wrestle with it like i believe god is good.
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- Yeah. yet why did he allow this in my life?
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- I know he loves us.
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- And so i don't know why, but i know the what the what is.
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- I get to know god closer through this.
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- And the closer you get to god,
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- The more joy that you're going to have.
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- Because his presence.
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- Is full of joy.
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- We live in a modern world filled with comfort,
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- Prosperity, and endless entertainment options.
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- And yet many people still can't find happiness.
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- Why is that?
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- Pastor jackson lahmeyer says far too many today
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- Are chasing after something the world can't give.
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- In his great new book, chasing after the wind,
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- He reveals how true happiness is only found in christ
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- And how it leads to a life of holiness, purpose, and peace.
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- Folks, if you're tired of running after what doesn't last.
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- This book is for you.
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- Jackson is also senior pastor
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- Of sheridan church in tulsa, oklahoma,
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- And founder of pastors for trump.
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- And he joins us now.
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- Jackson, great to see my friend.
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- Congrats on the book.
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- And you talk about in chapter one, right off the bat,
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- We hear a lot.
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- God doesn't want you to be happy.
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- He wants you to be holy.
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- But you kind of take that apart a bit. tell us more about that.
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- Yeah, well, thanks for having me on.
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- And that's kind of the concept among some christians.
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- God doesn't care about my happiness.
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- He only cares about my holiness, which god does care about
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- Our holiness.
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- However, he is very, very concerned about our happiness.
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- Because here's what i've discovered.
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- When we try to live a holy life apart from a happy heart,
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- We never do it
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- Because our hearts are unhappy and so will actually do
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- Unholy things to try to fill the void of the unhappy heart.
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- And i learned this actually by studying solomon.
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- You know, solomon was the wisest man to live at his time.
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- He was beyond wealthy.
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- And in ecclesiastes he kind of gives
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- An autobiography in chapter two.
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- He says, i had an unhappy heart, so i tried to cheer myself up
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- With wine, women, power, money.
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- And then he looked back on his life
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- And he said it was all chasing after the wind.
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- And that's where i got the title of the book,
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- Because he had everything that should have made him happy.
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- But his conclusion was i hated life.
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- So how can you have all these money, power, women, fame?
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- How can you have all of that
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- And look back and say, i hated my own life?
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- And that's
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- Because none of those things bring true happiness or joy.
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- And so solomon lived an unholy life.
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- So much so you remember god visited.
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- Solomon said, if it wasn't for your dad,
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- David had already removed you from the throne.
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- Yeah, he really lost his way.
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- How does that how does the wisest person
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- On the planet reach a point where god visits him and says,
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- I would remove you if it wasn't for you?
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- Father david?
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- How does how do you have the head knowledge?
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- Yeah, but you don't live it out.
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- Solomon had an unhappy heart.
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- He lived from a place of an unhappy heart,
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- Which caused him to do unholy things.
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- And this is why looking at american christians,
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- People say, oh, the american church is so unholy.
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- And that probably is true.
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- Why is that the case?
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- Well, american christians are beyond unhappy.
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- The the stats are incredible with how unhappy
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- American christians are
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- Because we've bought into money will make us happy.
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- Material things will make us happy.
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- Relationships will make.
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- If i just had this, then i'd be happy.
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- I mean, we say it all the time, right?
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- If i if i just had kids, i would be happy.
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- Well, you get kids, they become your praise report.
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- And then simultaneously, they become
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- Your prayer request at the exact same time. right.
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- You know what i'm talking about.
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- And so we live this entire world life of
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- If i just had this, then i'd be happy.
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- And we're always chasing the wind.
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- And the thing about happiness, it's elusive.
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- You never actually catch it.
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- And you'll do unholy things to try to fill that unhappy heart.
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- And i learned this personal experience from the bible.
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- And so what's the answer?
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- Well, we're told that the joy of the lord.
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- It's our strength.
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- So the world's crazy right now, right?
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- You're reporting on it every. every day.
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- The world is crazy.
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- How do you have strength to withstand temptation?
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- Adf strength to withstand everything that's happening?
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- Well, you got to have joy.
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- Joy of the lord is our strength.
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- Well, where do you find that?
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- Yeah, we find it in his presence.
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- Because in the presence of god, what is there?
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- There's the fullness of joy.
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- And god is the happiest being in the entire universe.
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- God. god is.
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- His very presence is marked by joy.
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- And so we as believers, we should also be the happiest
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- People on the planet.
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- And when we're happy, we will live.
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- Holy lives will be content.
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- And so that's what the book is all about.
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- How do you discover true happiness?
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- How do you discover how to be content?
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- How to have peace in your life?
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- Because we need that right now.
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- And so,
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- They always say, if you want to learn a subject, teach it.
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- Right.
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- Well, if you really want to learn
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- A subject, write a book about it.
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- And so this has been a journey of mine.
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- I don't want to spend my entire life
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- Chasing after the wind like solomon, and look back
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- And just say it was all meaningless. that was the whole.
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- That was his whole point.
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- He had acquired everything.
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- And so you know, coach lou holtz, of course.
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- I think he said it best.
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- He said, if you want to be happy for an hour, go eat a steak.
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- You want to be happy for a day.
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- Play around the golf. you want to be happy for a week.
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- Go on a cruise.
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- But if you want to be happy for a lifetime, get to know jesus.
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- And i think coach holtz was on to something there.
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- Because jesus is quite happy.
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- Yeah. his presence is marked by joy.
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- Absolutely.
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- A wise man, lou holtz, and a wise man, pastor jackson
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- Lahmeyer had about a minute left for the break.
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- You're coming right back with us.
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- How big of a role today in this this epidemic of unhappiness
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- That you write about in the book?
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- How big a role does social media play in that?
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- Perhaps we compare ourselves to other people
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- And through the lens of a filter,
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- Because you only see certain things
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- And we think, oh,
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- They must be so happy when it turns out
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- Most of them are just as miserable as we are.
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- They just cloak it and filter it like all of us do.
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- And comparison robs joy like nothing else.
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- When you are comparing yourself to other people,
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- It robs you of joy.
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- And when you are robbed of joy, you have no strength.
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- And that's why people fall for temptation.
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- That's why people fall for depression.
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- And all its joy has been taken away.
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- And so there is a solution.
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- There's a solution. yeah.
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- And the solution?
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- You'll find out after the break.
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- More is putting your faith in christ.
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- And how can you do that?
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- How can you have the happiness
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- Of pastor jackson lahmeyer talking about during tough times
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- When the chips are down, i'm going to break it down.
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- Great new book
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- Chasing after the win with pastor jackson
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- Lahmeyer and more coming up after the break. don't move.
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- Lahmeyer and more coming up after the break. don't move.
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- Jackson.
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- The lord wants us to be happy.
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- And you broke that down
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- Beautifully in the first segment.
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- How can we be happy when bad things happen?
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- When the chips are down?
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- A lot of people say, look,
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- Why do bad things happen to good people?
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- Why does evil exist? why does god allow it?
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- How can we maintain our joy and happiness in the tough times?
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- And that's an interesting thing because we think to ourselves,
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- If our life was great, then we'd be happy.
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- But you can go through great seasons in life
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- And be totally unhappy at the exact same time.
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- And yet,
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- I've walked with people
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- As a pastor who have gone through terrible seasons
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- And yet had a peace and even a joy in the midst of it.
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- And so i spend an entire chapter dealing with this issue
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- Right here.
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- How can you be happy when bad things are happening?
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- Because that to us, makes no sense.
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- You know, bad things are happening.
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- I'm going to be unhappy of good things are happening.
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- I'll be happy. and that's not really the case.
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- And so i kind of do a deep dive into the book of job,
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- Because it's the only book in the bible
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- That addresses this question of the problem of evil.
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- How is there a good god which we believe?
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- Because that's what the bible describes god as.
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- That's what i've experienced god to be.
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- But how could a good god allow such evil things to happen?
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- Good things to happen?
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- It's the number one question
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- Among every agnostic and atheist, right?
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- For all of time.
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- And so the book of job is interesting
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- Because job is presented to us as a saint among saints.
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- Both the author and god described job
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- As one who is upright, who fears god, shuns evil, and yet
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- His life gets turned upside down for no fault of his own.
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- Like loses everything.
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- Everything. and we understand it.
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- Like, if i do, bad and bad things happen to me,
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- I can process that.
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- But when you do, good
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- And bad things happen to you, how do you process that?
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- And so, you know, job's friends, they come and they visiting
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- And they spend over 30 chapters in poetic discussion
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- About how joe must be hiding sin
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- And jobs like, i'm not hiding sin, i'm not hiding anything.
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- We have inside baseball.
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- We know he's not hiding anything,
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- But his friends are convinced they're. laying it on him.
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- Oh my gosh. i mean, i mean, they're good friends.
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- Terrible counselor. yes. you know.
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- There's verse after verse.
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- Give the guy a break.
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- Right. he's going through misery.
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- And so for 30 plus chapters, their theology and their
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- Theology is not necessarily anti biblical.
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- In the bible we you obey god, you get blessed.
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- You disobey god. you don't get blessed.
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- Well, jobe obeyed god and yet his entire life,
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- Things that you and i, we can't even imagine.
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- And here is jobe.
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- He's trying to defend himself, but he can't.
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- And then everybody shuts up,
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- And god shows up in a storm, and god begins to question jobe.
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- Now, jobe had questions. god, why would god do this?
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- Allow this.
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- And god begins to question jobe.
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- Were you there when i hung the stars in the moon?
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- And were you there when i separated the seas?
- 00:10:51.716 --> 00:10:54.252
- And jobe answers and says,
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- I have asked something i have no ability to understand.
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- And then jobe says something.
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- And this is the key.
- 00:11:02.761 --> 00:11:04.295
- Jobe says, my ears had heard about you
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- Before everything i went through.
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- But now my eyes have seen you.
- 00:11:08.967 --> 00:11:11.536
- And joe becomes
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- Totally satisfied in the midst of everything he's gone through.
- 00:11:12.771 --> 00:11:16.374
- Because, jobe experience what the purpose of life is.
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- The purpose of life is to see god face to face.
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- The one that we are created in his image and likeness.
- 00:11:22.113 --> 00:11:24.883
- We all hear about god.
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- Jobe saw god, and jobe saw god
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- Through the terrible things that he went through.
- 00:11:29.487 --> 00:11:32.724
- And i think c.s. lewis put it best.
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- God whispers to us in our pleasure,
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- But god shouts to us in the midst of our pain.
- 00:11:37.862 --> 00:11:40.632
- And when we're going through terrible things,
- 00:11:40.632 --> 00:11:43.468
- That is when god shows up the most.
- 00:11:43.468 --> 00:11:45.937
- The only time you ever discover and truly know god as a healer
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- Is when you're sick.
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- The only time you know god is a
- 00:11:50.909 --> 00:11:52.110
- Provider is when you're in need.
- 00:11:52.110 --> 00:11:53.978
- And so,
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- In the midst of the terrible things that we go through,
- 00:11:55.146 --> 00:11:57.382
- We can turn to god in those things
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- And still have a joy that is unspeakable,
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- A peace that passes all understanding.
- 00:12:03.822 --> 00:12:06.424
- It's in our tough times that god shows himself
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- And reveals himself to us in ways
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- That we've never experienced before.
- 00:12:12.297 --> 00:12:14.566
- And that's an entire chapter there,
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- Because it's something we all go through, like it's.
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- An important one.
- 00:12:19.204 --> 00:12:20.205
- We wrestle with it like, i believe god is good.
- 00:12:20.205 --> 00:12:22.674
- Yeah. and i believe god is all powerful.
- 00:12:22.674 --> 00:12:24.976
- And i believe god is all knowing.
- 00:12:24.976 --> 00:12:26.477
- And i believe he's everywhere at all times.
- 00:12:26.477 --> 00:12:28.479
- Yet why did he allow this in my life?
- 00:12:28.479 --> 00:12:30.582
- And i know he loves us, right?
- 00:12:30.582 --> 00:12:32.383
- And so why does god do that?
- 00:12:32.383 --> 00:12:34.953
- And some things we don't know
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- The answer to the problem of evil.
- 00:12:36.187 --> 00:12:37.889
- The answer is we don't know.
- 00:12:37.889 --> 00:12:39.824
- I don't know why god allowed this or that.
- 00:12:39.824 --> 00:12:42.560
- Yeah, i don't know why, but i know the what the what is.
- 00:12:42.560 --> 00:12:45.396
- I get to know god closer through this, and the closer
- 00:12:45.396 --> 00:12:48.666
- You get to god, the more joy that you're going to have,
- 00:12:48.666 --> 00:12:51.870
- Because his presence is full of joy.
- 00:12:51.870 --> 00:12:55.607
- And so the key is not running from god
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- In the midst of our troubles, but running to god.
- 00:12:58.409 --> 00:13:01.379
- Yeah, through the troubles that we experience.
- 00:13:01.379 --> 00:13:03.348
- And seeing that as a pastor,
- 00:13:03.348 --> 00:13:05.149
- You know, you walk with people through some terrible,
- 00:13:05.149 --> 00:13:07.585
- Terrible things and they have questions.
- 00:13:07.585 --> 00:13:09.854
- And those are legit questions. jobe asked legit questions.
- 00:13:09.854 --> 00:13:12.790
- Yeah.
- 00:13:12.790 --> 00:13:13.758
- And yet jobe still found a way to trust god,
- 00:13:13.758 --> 00:13:16.728
- Even in the midst of his terrible experiences.
- 00:13:16.728 --> 00:13:18.897
- And he received a double portion for his troubles.
- 00:13:18.897 --> 00:13:21.532
- In the end, god replaced everything he lost.
- 00:13:21.532 --> 00:13:23.635
- And then something even added to that.
- 00:13:23.635 --> 00:13:25.503
- And you add you write about in the book
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- A personal story
- 00:13:27.205 --> 00:13:28.006
- You share about your senate, ron,
- 00:13:28.006 --> 00:13:29.407
- And kind of an unexpected redirection,
- 00:13:29.407 --> 00:13:31.676
- Some pain in your life. tell us a bit about that.
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- We have about a minute left for the break.
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- Well, i ran for the us senate with the full expectation
- 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:37.615
- I was going, you know, i'm competitive.
- 00:13:37.615 --> 00:13:39.450
- We're not going to play the game unless we win
- 00:13:39.450 --> 00:13:41.419
- And we didn't win.
- 00:13:41.419 --> 00:13:42.620
- And it i can't explain what it's like
- 00:13:42.620 --> 00:13:44.589
- To you to lose a political race because you put everything into
- 00:13:44.589 --> 00:13:48.860
- And you have so many supporters, you feel like you let down.
- 00:13:48.860 --> 00:13:51.729
- But it was through that process of great hurt.
- 00:13:51.729 --> 00:13:54.299
- I mean, it hurt that god directed me and positioned me
- 00:13:54.299 --> 00:13:58.603
- To where i launched pastors for trump and now get to serve
- 00:13:58.603 --> 00:14:01.739
- On the national faith advisory board
- 00:14:01.739 --> 00:14:03.508
- And part of the white house faith office.
- 00:14:03.508 --> 00:14:05.076
- But if i wouldn't have lost that senate race,
- 00:14:05.076 --> 00:14:07.078
- None of these other things would have happened. and so,
- 00:14:07.078 --> 00:14:09.347
- In the midst of that hardship, god turned it for good.
- 00:14:09.347 --> 00:14:12.350
- He has a unique ability to make all things,
- 00:14:12.350 --> 00:14:14.852
- Even the bad things, work together for our good, no doubt.
- 00:14:14.852 --> 00:14:18.356
- And he gives us that perfect shalom.
- 00:14:18.356 --> 00:14:20.258
- But what exactly is that, folks? we hear that a lot.
- 00:14:20.258 --> 00:14:22.126
- We say shalom. it means peace.
- 00:14:22.126 --> 00:14:23.928
- What is true? shalom.
- 00:14:23.928 --> 00:14:25.797
- How can you attain it in your life?
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- Find out.
- 00:14:27.865 --> 00:14:28.900
- Next with pastor jackson lahmeyer. stick around.
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- Next with pastor jackson lahmeyer. stick around.
- 00:14:33.016 --> 00:14:34.840
- Pastor jackson, talk about shalom in the book.
- 00:14:35.741 --> 00:14:38.310
- It's a word i've said many times traveling in israel.
- 00:14:38.310 --> 00:14:41.113
- And it means peace.
- 00:14:41.113 --> 00:14:42.147
- But true. shalom.
- 00:14:42.147 --> 00:14:43.882
- You write means wholeness.
- 00:14:43.882 --> 00:14:45.851
- Yeah. break that down for us. yeah.
- 00:14:45.851 --> 00:14:47.319
- So hebrews, you would know, is a picture language.
- 00:14:47.319 --> 00:14:49.722
- And the best definition i think i've ever heard of.
- 00:14:49.722 --> 00:14:52.191
- Shalom is the way things ought to be,
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- That there is a wholeness, there's a completeness there,
- 00:14:55.461 --> 00:14:58.697
- And that comes about through knowing christ,
- 00:14:58.697 --> 00:15:02.101
- Because apart from christ, we are totally broken.
- 00:15:02.101 --> 00:15:06.038
- And the journey of being a christian
- 00:15:06.038 --> 00:15:08.674
- Is becoming whole again. that's, that's that's the purpose.
- 00:15:08.674 --> 00:15:11.610
- Like i always put it like this, jesus who is completely whole,
- 00:15:11.610 --> 00:15:16.015
- He became broken on that cross so that those of us
- 00:15:16.015 --> 00:15:19.318
- Who are born broken,
- 00:15:19.318 --> 00:15:20.719
- We can become whole
- 00:15:20.719 --> 00:15:21.887
- And things can be the way they ought to be in our lives.
- 00:15:21.887 --> 00:15:25.224
- And so it's a journey.
- 00:15:25.224 --> 00:15:26.091
- It's a journey of wholeness.
- 00:15:26.091 --> 00:15:28.260
- And, the first step jesus actually gives us on
- 00:15:28.260 --> 00:15:32.464
- The most famous sermon he ever preached,
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- Which was the sermon on the mount.
- 00:15:34.700 --> 00:15:36.101
- And he begins in an unusual way.
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- If you read it, he says, blessed are those,
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- Who are poor in spirit.
- 00:15:42.107 --> 00:15:44.009
- And you read that and you're like,
- 00:15:44.009 --> 00:15:46.011
- What does what does that mean?
- 00:15:46.011 --> 00:15:47.413
- And, well,
- 00:15:47.413 --> 00:15:48.147
- Something people need to know
- 00:15:48.147 --> 00:15:49.381
- When jesus says, blessed are those, he's the literal is, oh,
- 00:15:49.381 --> 00:15:53.085
- How happy are those who are, poor in spirit?
- 00:15:53.085 --> 00:15:57.790
- Now, that doesn't mean financial poverty.
- 00:15:57.790 --> 00:15:59.591
- It's poor in spirit.
- 00:15:59.591 --> 00:16:00.659
- But what does that mean?
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- Well, those who are in financial poverty,
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- They are not independent.
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- They can't take care of themselves.
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- So they're dependent
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- Upon someone or something to take care of them.
- 00:16:08.967 --> 00:16:12.571
- And poor in spirit is a state of humility, state of humility.
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- Here's what we learn.
- 00:16:18.110 --> 00:16:19.344
- Studying scripture.
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- Pride
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- Repeals it.
- 00:16:23.115 --> 00:16:24.516
- Pride pushes back the presence of god.
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- God and god is.
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- God removes himself.
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- He resists the prison estate. yes,
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- He opposes.
- 00:16:32.858 --> 00:16:33.759
- And you know, how can you be happy
- 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:35.594
- If the god of the universe opposes you?
- 00:16:35.594 --> 00:16:37.362
- You're going to be miserable, right? yeah.
- 00:16:37.362 --> 00:16:38.897
- I mean, the happiest being there is opposes you.
- 00:16:38.897 --> 00:16:42.501
- Well, you're not going to be very happy.
- 00:16:42.501 --> 00:16:44.203
- But we're told that humility attracts
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- The very presence of god.
- 00:16:46.738 --> 00:16:48.173
- God gives favor.
- 00:16:48.173 --> 00:16:49.308
- He gives grace to the humble.
- 00:16:49.308 --> 00:16:51.110
- And so the real key to happiness, the real key.
- 00:16:51.110 --> 00:16:54.746
- Obviously, there's a lot more to this,
- 00:16:54.746 --> 00:16:56.882
- But the key is putting to death pride,
- 00:16:56.882 --> 00:17:00.452
- Which all the great
- 00:17:00.452 --> 00:17:01.854
- Theologians and philosophers, from augustine
- 00:17:01.854 --> 00:17:04.389
- To lewis to martin luther, john calvin,
- 00:17:04.389 --> 00:17:06.925
- They all said the greatest sin of them all is pride.
- 00:17:06.925 --> 00:17:10.028
- Sin is what caused devils or angels to become devils.
- 00:17:10.028 --> 00:17:14.066
- But humility is what caused us sinners like us,
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- To become saints.
- 00:17:17.669 --> 00:17:18.604
- You cannot come to christ full of pride.
- 00:17:18.604 --> 00:17:20.939
- You have to empty yourself.
- 00:17:20.939 --> 00:17:21.907
- And so the beatitudes is actually a step by
- 00:17:21.907 --> 00:17:24.977
- Step guide of how to experience true happiness.
- 00:17:24.977 --> 00:17:28.280
- And so if you really want to be
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- Happy, if you really want to be happy,
- 00:17:29.348 --> 00:17:31.517
- You have to find a place of humility.
- 00:17:31.517 --> 00:17:33.418
- And that's tough.
- 00:17:33.418 --> 00:17:34.887
- Putting pride to death is not simple.
- 00:17:34.887 --> 00:17:37.656
- Hey, that's a hard one for sure.
- 00:17:37.656 --> 00:17:39.725
- Another tough one is unforgiveness.
- 00:17:39.725 --> 00:17:42.728
- And you write
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- About how forgiveness is critical to true happiness.
- 00:17:43.829 --> 00:17:47.032
- Talk more about that.
- 00:17:47.032 --> 00:17:48.133
- That's something i think a lot of people struggle.
- 00:17:48.133 --> 00:17:49.601
- Oh yeah, it's so and so hurt me.
- 00:17:49.601 --> 00:17:51.436
- And it's a legit hurt.
- 00:17:51.436 --> 00:17:52.938
- It's it's not to minimize what they did or what happened.
- 00:17:52.938 --> 00:17:56.608
- And rationally, why would i forgive them?
- 00:17:56.608 --> 00:18:00.145
- Why they haven't apologized.
- 00:18:00.145 --> 00:18:02.181
- They haven't tried to make things right.
- 00:18:02.181 --> 00:18:03.882
- We've all been there, right?
- 00:18:03.882 --> 00:18:04.950
- Somebody has wronged us
- 00:18:04.950 --> 00:18:06.518
- And they don't think they've wronged us.
- 00:18:06.518 --> 00:18:08.687
- And we hold on to it.
- 00:18:08.687 --> 00:18:10.255
- And unforgiveness causes an eternal state of,
- 00:18:10.255 --> 00:18:14.893
- Like i call it, a civil war on the inside of us.
- 00:18:14.893 --> 00:18:17.229
- We're an internal civil war,
- 00:18:17.229 --> 00:18:19.064
- And unforgiving people are very unhappy people.
- 00:18:19.064 --> 00:18:22.901
- I don't know if you've ever met some bitterness in somebody,
- 00:18:22.901 --> 00:18:25.571
- But when someone's bitter, they are miserable.
- 00:18:25.571 --> 00:18:28.373
- It's literally the analogy is you're drinking poison, right?
- 00:18:28.373 --> 00:18:32.077
- Well, you really are.
- 00:18:32.077 --> 00:18:33.512
- You really are.
- 00:18:33.512 --> 00:18:34.479
- And so when you forgive, you are releasing
- 00:18:34.479 --> 00:18:37.182
- That and you're no longer holding on to that.
- 00:18:37.182 --> 00:18:40.285
- And you can enter into real happiness.
- 00:18:40.285 --> 00:18:43.255
- You can't be happy.
- 00:18:43.255 --> 00:18:44.289
- Yeah. when you have unforgiveness.
- 00:18:44.289 --> 00:18:46.058
- It's like a weight off your shoulders,
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- Like release someone. yes.
- 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:50.229
- How can we hear god's voice more clearly in all this?
- 00:18:50.229 --> 00:18:53.565
- And you write about it
- 00:18:53.565 --> 00:18:54.766
- When you do have the joy of the lord
- 00:18:54.766 --> 00:18:56.301
- And you have true happiness,
- 00:18:56.301 --> 00:18:57.369
- Does it get easier to hear from god?
- 00:18:57.369 --> 00:18:59.705
- You're it's easier to get in his presence
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- And have communion with him.
- 00:19:01.974 --> 00:19:03.308
- Oh, absolutely.
- 00:19:03.308 --> 00:19:04.176
- And so,
- 00:19:04.176 --> 00:19:05.344
- You know, learning to hear the voice of god is a process.
- 00:19:05.344 --> 00:19:08.180
- You're not just going to instantly know.
- 00:19:08.180 --> 00:19:10.449
- But i do write about how there are some practical ways
- 00:19:10.449 --> 00:19:14.419
- That you can develop learning how to hear god's voice.
- 00:19:14.419 --> 00:19:17.489
- I mean, you probably remember back being a kid,
- 00:19:17.489 --> 00:19:20.092
- Walkie talkies.
- 00:19:20.092 --> 00:19:20.926
- I don't know if you what?
- 00:19:20.926 --> 00:19:22.594
- All right, so the walkie talkie,
- 00:19:22.594 --> 00:19:24.396
- You and i got to be on the same channel.
- 00:19:24.396 --> 00:19:26.164
- If i'm on channel six and you're on channel five,
- 00:19:26.164 --> 00:19:28.133
- You can be talking to me, but i don't hear it.
- 00:19:28.133 --> 00:19:30.969
- And so god has channels which he communicates.
- 00:19:30.969 --> 00:19:33.939
- And the first and foremost is the bible.
- 00:19:33.939 --> 00:19:36.475
- People say i never hear god's voice.
- 00:19:36.475 --> 00:19:38.410
- Will you open up the bible?
- 00:19:38.410 --> 00:19:39.845
- You will hear from god that that is a guarantee.
- 00:19:39.845 --> 00:19:42.848
- But god has some other channels.
- 00:19:42.848 --> 00:19:44.182
- He uses dreams and visions.
- 00:19:44.182 --> 00:19:46.952
- God will speak that small, still voice
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- That you just kind of learn to discern is that god?
- 00:19:49.788 --> 00:19:53.525
- Is that me? is that the devil?
- 00:19:53.525 --> 00:19:55.727
- And then i also give some ways to test it.
- 00:19:55.727 --> 00:19:58.063
- Like, have you ever been there? i think this is god.
- 00:19:58.063 --> 00:20:00.799
- But yeah, you know. yeah, yeah. yes. yeah.
- 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.669
- And how do you test it though? right.
- 00:20:03.669 --> 00:20:05.904
- Because if you're going to make up.
- 00:20:05.904 --> 00:20:06.772
- Which way do i go?
- 00:20:06.772 --> 00:20:07.806
- If you're going to make a life altering decision,
- 00:20:07.806 --> 00:20:09.975
- You kind of want to know this is god.
- 00:20:09.975 --> 00:20:11.943
- This is not god.
- 00:20:11.943 --> 00:20:13.078
- And some of the ways that you can test it is one.
- 00:20:13.078 --> 00:20:15.447
- Does that align with the bible?
- 00:20:15.447 --> 00:20:17.015
- When we get back to you, got to know the bible.
- 00:20:17.015 --> 00:20:18.917
- If you're going to be able to discern god's voice,
- 00:20:18.917 --> 00:20:21.119
- You got to know scripture.
- 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:22.854
- God's voice will never tempt you to sin.
- 00:20:22.854 --> 00:20:24.856
- So that's like that's a guarantee, right?
- 00:20:24.856 --> 00:20:26.725
- So if you think god is telling you to go
- 00:20:26.725 --> 00:20:28.393
- Steal your neighbor's blackstone grill, that's,
- 00:20:28.393 --> 00:20:30.629
- That's not the lord. that's that's you.
- 00:20:30.629 --> 00:20:33.065
- But i've discovered god's voice will also be confirmed
- 00:20:33.065 --> 00:20:36.702
- By god's people.
- 00:20:36.702 --> 00:20:37.703
- You got to have some people in your life
- 00:20:37.703 --> 00:20:39.671
- That know how to hear the voice of god that you can take it to.
- 00:20:39.671 --> 00:20:42.574
- I think this is what the lord is saying.
- 00:20:42.574 --> 00:20:44.109
- Group of. counselors. you got to have it. yeah.
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- And so there are some ways to test.
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- Is this the voice of god?
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- But one of the most important things
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- Any of us could ever learn
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- Is how to hear god's voice, especially with the world that
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- We live in. there's so many voices out there.
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- There's so much information being sent,
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- And you've got to be able to discern is this god?
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- Is this not god?
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- And so, yeah,
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- I have an entire chapter in there
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- All about and personal stories of decisions i had to make,
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- You know, life altering decisions.
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- Oh, yeah. and, is that god, is it not?
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- And there's a way to hear god's voice. yeah.
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- Past. jackson, this was great.
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- What a great break down chasing after the wind.
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- We love it.
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- And we're going to close out with pastor jackson
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- After the break with prayer for all of you.
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- All of us stick around.
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- All of us stick around.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck
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- Tonight we're wrapping up with pastor jackson lahmeyer.
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- Folks, the book is called chasing after the wind.
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- I really believe to book for such a time as this.
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- No doubt,
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- When we have an epidemic of unhappiness
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- In the world, pastor jackson shares the keys to finding
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- True shalom peace, happiness, wholeness.
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- Guess what?
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- It's through the lord jesus.
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- Also follow pastor jackson on instagram across social media.
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- Hey, i think we've covered some great ground here.
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- Pastor jackson, i think the best way to go out
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- Here is with a prayer. can you lead us absolute?
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- I love to,
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- And i just want you to know that god wants you happy.
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- God wants you. holy.
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- You're going to have both at the exact same time.
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- So i want to pray for you, father.
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- I just lift up everybody that is watching this right now,
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- And i just ask that your spirit
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- Would begin to move upon their hearts,
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- And that you would help them recognize that nothing
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- The world promises them will ever make them happy.
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- But your presence there is the fullness of joy.
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- So, father, i thank you that joy is invading their life
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- Right now,
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- That they're going to have strength
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- To withstand everything that the enemy throws at them,
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- Because their strength comes from you
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- And the joy that you give us.
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- So, father,
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- I pray
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- That you would give wisdom, that
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- You would give peace, a peace that passes all understanding
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- To those
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- That are watching right now. and maybe they may
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- Find themselves in a terrible situation.
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- They can still experience your presence and maybe, like job,
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- They'll be able to say,
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- My ears have heard about you, but now my eyes have seen you.
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- So lord, we want to see you and we thank you for your goodness.
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- In jesus name.
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- Amen. jackson, this was great. thank you.
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- Thank you so much.
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- Absolutely.
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- The book is called chasing after the wind.
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- Pick it up until tomorrow night.
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- God bless you. and we'll see you soon.
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