From wars and rumors of war abroad, to the rise of anti-Christian, "woke" ideology here at home, it’s clear that Americans are living in perilous and unprecedented times. Some would even say that we’re witnessing biblical prophecy unfold in real time. Stakelbeck Tonight will make sense of these stunning developments through a bold and biblical lens.
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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: The Goodness of God | Stakelbeck Tonight | April 1, 2026
- Welcome to stakelbeck tonight.
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- I'm erick stakelbeck and she is one of the most recognizable
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- Faces in the world, gracing countless magazine covers,
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- Appearing in movies and becoming a household name
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- Practically overnight.
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- But kathy ireland story goes far beyond the spotlight.
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- What started as an unexpected opportunity at a young age
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- Quickly turned into global fame.
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- But behind it all was a journey of faith,
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- Growth and purpose with god at the center of it.
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- Kathy is founder and ceo of kathy ireland brands,
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- And she joined me recently
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- To discuss her amazing life and faith journey.
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- Take a look.
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- Kathy, it is great to have you with us.
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- Hey, you obviously became a household name
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- At a very young age, but in talking to you recently,
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- You said, look, modeling wasn't always part of the plan.
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- You were a self-described tomboy growing up.
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- How did this all get started for you
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- And how did your modeling career take off?
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- Well, erick, thank you.
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- Thank you for inviting me.
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- So great to be with you.
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- My goodness, your story is is so incredible.
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- And it's.
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- Life is such a journey.
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- It's such an adventure.
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- Modeling was never part of the plan.
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- As you shared, i was a tomboy growing up.
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- Modeling agency opened up in our town.
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- I'm parents for my 16th birthday.
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- Gave me a course,
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- And i think they thought it might clean me up a little.
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- It was a real surprise when a scout came and asked
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- If i wanted to go to new york for the summer,
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- And my response was, no, thank you.
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- I didn't think it was possible any way.
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- And i looked, i always worked, and i looked forward to
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- Enjoying the summer and having some free time to go
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- To the beach and all of that.
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- Anyway, it
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- Felt like it was an opportunity and it could help me either
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- Start a business or earn money to go to college.
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- And the entire time i worked in that industry,
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- I was trying and failing at businesses.
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- It just took me a little while to get going.
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- But incredible lessons along the way.
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- Yeah.
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- When did you know, kathy, that it was really taking off,
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- That you had made it in the industry?
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- You know, erick, i didn't ever really focus on that.
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- And i didn't always have the best attitude
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- When i worked as a model because i always thought, well,
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- It's going to be short lived.
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- I'm not going to go keep doing this forever and ever.
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- And i, i didn't love it.
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- I always knew that i belonged on the other side of
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- The lens, that,
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- I wanted to work in business.
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- So as far as is making it, i would say i wasn't
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- Prepared for the notoriety that i received.
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- After appearing in sports illustrated and in particular
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- On the cover, i had no idea what an impact that would have.
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- Yeah.
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- Now, your mom, speaking of modeling,
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- And it's a dog eat dog world, obviously, in many ways,
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- But faith has always been at the center of it for you.
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- And your mom came to faith when you were a teenager.
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- You're flying to paris in 1981.
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- She quietly slips a bible in your suitcase.
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- Tell us what happened after that.
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- So, you know, we grew up.
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- I mean, really, with no faith.
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- We never read a bible, never had one in the house.
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- And mom was a new christian.
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- I was a rebellious teenager.
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- I was questioning
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- Authority and questioning who really knows what the truth is.
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- And i just barely finished high school and
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- Never read another book.
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- And it's, you know, as you said,
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- It's 1981, so there's no technology to distract me.
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- I've got jet lag.
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- I'm in this apartment and it's, it's kind of.
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- I kind of had the creeps there.
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- I didn't feel really comfortable.
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- I just locked myself in my room when i was there.
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- And the middle of the night, i couldn't sleep and see this
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- Bible mom stuck in my suitcase sitting on my bed.
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- And i open up and the bible opens up to the
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- To the gospel of matthew and erick.
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- As i was reading, i just knew.
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- I knew that what i had in my hands was the truth.
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- And i was surprised because i had been told just.
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- I heard little snippets and sound bites from the bible
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- And people would say, oh, well,
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- You know, for for women, jesus is no good.
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- It's just all of the things
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- That you hear, the lies from the enemy.
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- And i was shocked and i just discovered
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- Like, no, that's not true.
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- He is loving and leading and honoring women
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- And giving them such dignity, and especially in
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- The first century.
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- And that culture was that was radical.
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- And i was alone in that room.
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- So nobody was saying,
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- Be this denomination or that faith or this,
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- It was no, i'm going to follow jesus.
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- That's that's who i want to follow.
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- And he became my lord and savior right then and there.
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- And my life changed.
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- Drastically.
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- I had this newfound confidence that,
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- You know, if he is with us, who can be against us
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- If something didn't feel right, i'd walk away
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- And my rebellion was channeled through.
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- No, i'm not going to your party.
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- And it was.
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- It gave me a healthy outlet. yet
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- What i do regret is that it was the word of god
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- That led me to jesus as my lord and savior,
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- And as i would read,
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- I would read the same verses over and over
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- Every verse that made me feel so good.
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- I would read over and over.
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- There were some verses i would read that challenged me,
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- And so i just assumed that it was a translation
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- Issue, a cultural issue, a typo.
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- And i made the biggest mistake in picking and choosing.
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- I would pick and choose the verses i like, discards
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- The ones i didn't, and it's so completely arrogant
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- That i was trying to make my own god,
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- Rather than surrendering to him and allowing him
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- To make me into the person he made me to be.
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- And there was a time, erick, when i was a slow learner.
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- There is no time for that today.
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- I mean, things are we've got to be alert.
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- But i was 44 years old before i finally read
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- From genesis to revelation. and,
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- I recognized, like,
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- A lot of decisions i made back then, i would not make
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- After having read
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- The entirety of his work, but i just love that
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- There's no condemnation for those who are in christ jesus.
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- He can take anybody's life and turn it around
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- And i'm so grateful. amen.
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- He is a god of second chances and many more.
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- And you're a new believer.
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- You're young cathy, of course.
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- How do you navigate that in the modeling world?
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- A little bit of hollywood as well.
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- You've been in films as well,
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- Foot in both of those worlds, which
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- Aren't necessarily known for biblical values, shall we say.
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- How was your newfound faith received by your colleagues?
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- It was a mix.
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- Some people were curious.
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- They see me.
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- I mean, i, i just wanted to learn and grow.
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- I, i should have been discipled.
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- That would have been better,
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- And i wasn't, i was i was on the road a lot.
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- But some people would be curious when they'd see me
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- Reading my bible.
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- They'd ask and i would tell them what i knew.
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- Other people would be confrontational,
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- But honestly, i really didn't care.
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- And that verse really stuck with me.
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- If he's with us, who can be against us?
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- So it really didn't matter.
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- And i wasn't planning on staying in that industry
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- For a very long time anyway.
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- Coming up, kathy ireland shares how she turned a simple pair
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- Of socks into a global empire and the surprising role
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- That hollywood legend elizabeth taylor played in her life.
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- Behind the scenes, stick around.
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- Behind the scenes, stick around.
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- Speaking of not staying in the industry, forbes magazine
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- Said you went from supermodel to super mogul.
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- Very aptly put
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- Tell us how you transitioned kathy into business.
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- And by the way, you talked about not having
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- That discipleship per se, but you did
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- Have a very important mentor in your life,
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- The one and only elizabeth taylor.
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- Tell us a bit more about that, how you transitioned
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- Into business and the role liz taylor played in your life.
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- Thank you.
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- You know, i i've always worked, i was four years old.
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- I sold paint and rocks for my wagon.
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- Had a paper route just continuous.
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- And i entered the modeling industry as a business person.
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- Already took a little while for one of those ventures
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- To take off.
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- The first, the beginnings of my brand.
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- I was an aging, pregnant model at my kitchen table.
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- I was actually offered the opportunity
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- To model a pair of socks and, not sure if it was going to be
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- If they were going to crop out my face or not.
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- But it was a job,
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- And not a lot of job offers were coming my way.
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- But i knew that if i didn't close that chapter of my life,
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- I might not live my dream of a business and design.
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- And that's where we began.
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- From there, we grew our brand to include
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- A complete line of fashion apparel accessories.
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- Today, our brand is also serving businesses and entrepreneurs,
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- Serving families in our products and services.
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- And really so grateful.
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- From socks to a great, great business empire, really.
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- But liz taylor also, as we mentioned, kathy
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- Played a big role in your life. tell us more about that.
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- I was
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- I had the privilege of knowing elizabeth taylor
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- And what a what an amazing woman, so strong
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- And what i think a lot of people don't recognize is
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- She was a great business person.
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- She would read her contracts.
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- She was tough and just wonderfully creative too,
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- And very attentive to detail and jewelry.
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- She would look at a ring from the front to the back
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- To make sure to say, you know, the woman wearing it
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- Knows what nobody else will see.
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- She knows she sees it, and that matters.
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- So the the integrity in her design.
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- I really loved her philanthropy, a huge heart.
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- My husband and i are a couple of founders of a christian,
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- College prep. now.
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- It's pre-k through grade 12 school,
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- Providence and our community, along with randy and amy clark
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- And, elizabeth taylor was so,
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- She was one of the first donors to help make that happen.
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- And we're forever grateful to her for that.
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- And, just just amazing.
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- And i got to do bible study with elizabeth.
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- That was.
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- That was a huge blessing.
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- Wow. that's something not many people can say.
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- Bible study with elizabeth taylor. a legend, of course.
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- And kathy, you're legend in your own right.
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- You mentioned your husband.
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- Tell us more about your relationship.
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- I think you guys met on a blind date. tell us more about that.
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- What he's been up to lately with him in your marriage.
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- Thank you.
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- So. well, my husband, greg,
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- We will have been married.
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- It'll be 38 years in august.
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- Wow. but i met him.
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- Mom was a nurse, and i was having lunch with her.
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- This guy walks by. i thought he was cute.
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- And mom had really nice things to say about him.
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- And i was at a time in my life i was traveling
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- And i think she wanted me to meet a local boy.
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- So mom helped me stalk him for two months.
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- And i mean, it's kind of embarrassing for when we went to
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- And it didn't work and i just felt so silly and gave up on it.
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- But finally it worked.
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- And, so it's it's really sweet that, mom helped make it.
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- A mom introduced me to jesus,
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- And then she introduced me to my husband.
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- That's so much success with kathy ireland brands,
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- Of course, and elsewhere.
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- But you are right
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- Now, kathy, in the middle of a very high profile lawsuit.
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- And i want to be respectful of what you can and can't say,
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- But just at a personal level,
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- How are you processing all this right now and how is your faith
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- Sustaining you through this tough moment?
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- Thank you.
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- Erick.
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- It's difficult, you know,
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- Life is hard and beautiful
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- And god is good, and we are not our circumstances.
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- It was not a decision taken lightly at all.
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- I don't hate anyone.
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- And i just ask god for help each day.
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- I'd never want it.
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- So dangerous
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- To let a little bit of bitterness
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- Come into your heart, because it spreads.
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- And it's something i think we all have to be mindful
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- Of avoiding that.
- 00:13:35.570 --> 00:13:39.407
- But it's hurtful.
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- There have been things that are very, you know, very hurtful.
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- And i trust god to make every wrong right.
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- But i, i and very thoughtfully,
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- My husband and i, we're taking the steps
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- That we need to do to, not only
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- Seek justice,
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- But protect us, protect others.
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- Kathy, it's a tough time, but you're handling it
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- With class and grace, as you always do,
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- And putting god at the center of it
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- And trusting him as you always do.
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- Up next,
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- Kathy ireland gets candid from hollywood pressure
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- To taking bold stance on life, israel and faith.
- 00:14:23.217 --> 00:14:27.055
- Why, she says telling the truth is worth the cost.
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- That's next.
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- That's next.
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- In the industries you've been in, it's not always easy
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- To kind of wear your beliefs on your sleeve,
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- So to speak, when they don't adhere to the usual narrative
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- In hollywood or the modeling industry
- 00:14:47.108 --> 00:14:48.910
- Or elsewhere, even business in some cases.
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- Tell us why you feel it's so important to speak out
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- On these really tough cultural issues.
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- In particular.
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- The truth is always important,
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- And it's worth the risk of someone not liking you.
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- I've never been a people pleaser.
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- I love people, but i don't seek to.
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- I never want to compromise, to please someone else.
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- I want to seek to understand.
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- I want to learn different perspectives and points of view.
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- Always. and
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- But but the
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- Truth is, is of critical importance.
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- And in maturity i care less and less what others think of me.
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- It just. there's no time.
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- It just doesn't matter.
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- Life.
- 00:15:37.392 --> 00:15:39.660
- I shared with you that i was a baby christian.
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- And as a baby christian, i didn't know what god's
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- Word said about life.
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- And when it began, i considered myself, pro-choice.
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- Christian.
- 00:15:52.407 --> 00:15:54.075
- And it was actually science that opened my eyes before
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- I opened the bible in and read what god's word had to say.
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- It was recognizing
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- That the point of conception, a new life comes into being.
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- And the complete, blueprint, the the dna, the fingerprint,
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- The blood type, the sex, it's all determined at conception
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- And then wondering, okay, what kind of life is it?
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- And then understanding the law
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- Of biogenesis,
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- That all life comes from preexisting
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- Life, and each species reproduces after its own kind.
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- Therefore, human beings can only reproduce other human beings.
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- I didn't want to be pro-life, i, but we didn't want to.
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- I called planned parenthood
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- Because planned parenthood came to my high school,
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- Which was part of the
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- Inspiration for starting a school.
- 00:16:38.886 --> 00:16:41.656
- Planned parenthood came to my high school
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- To tell us when we were kids that we can have an abortion
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- And we won't even have to tell our parents. and that was,
- 00:16:47.428 --> 00:16:50.531
- Received just this great news.
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- So planned parenthood got me on the path
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- To identifying as pro-choice.
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- So i called them up and i said, help me out.
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- Give me your best argument for being pro-choice.
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- And i was told, it's just a clump of cells.
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- If you get it early enough, it doesn't even look like a baby.
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- And even at that early stage of being pro-life,
- 00:17:12.487 --> 00:17:15.890
- I just said, are you kidding me?
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- Is that the best you've got?
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- I mean, we're all clumps of cells, and
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- The unborn doesn't look like a baby the same way a baby
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- Doesn't look like a teenager or a senior citizen, but
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- That unborn human being looks exactly
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- The way human beings are supposed to look
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- At that stage of development.
- 00:17:35.042 --> 00:17:36.944
- So that's where my pro-life journey began,
- 00:17:36.944 --> 00:17:40.181
- And my love of israel came from
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- Reading the word and it.
- 00:17:44.318 --> 00:17:46.954
- I mean, god's love is from the old testament to the new.
- 00:17:46.954 --> 00:17:52.193
- And i it's it breaks my heart when i experience this,
- 00:17:52.193 --> 00:17:58.599
- Extreme hatred.
- 00:17:58.966 --> 00:18:01.002
- And it's so ugly.
- 00:18:01.002 --> 00:18:02.470
- But it's not surprising because when we look at, genesis
- 00:18:02.470 --> 00:18:06.440
- 315, when we look at the curse, when we look at the promises,
- 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:11.012
- We know that when messiah comes back, he's coming to that land.
- 00:18:11.012 --> 00:18:15.683
- He's going to step foot on the mount of olives.
- 00:18:15.683 --> 00:18:18.419
- And the enemy he tried to get, you know, when when he first
- 00:18:18.419 --> 00:18:23.457
- He tried to prevent messiah from being born in the first place.
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- With pharaoh, with with haman, and with heritage.
- 00:18:29.363 --> 00:18:33.901
- Tried to kill.
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- Tried to kill. jesus is is a baby.
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- Tried to get jesus to, skip the cross.
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- And when he couldn't defeat him,
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- When he resurrected, he's doing
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- Everything he can to kill what god loves most.
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- His creation, his people.
- 00:18:52.520 --> 00:18:54.121
- And if he can't kill babies in the womb, he'll go after kids
- 00:18:54.121 --> 00:18:58.526
- And he'll bring confusion into the world.
- 00:18:58.526 --> 00:19:01.696
- But there's something that that i've been asked is,
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- Well, would you give israel just blanket
- 00:19:05.099 --> 00:19:08.970
- Permission to do whatever they want to do?
- 00:19:08.970 --> 00:19:12.607
- And my answer for that is no, just i wouldn't give anybody,
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- A pass on
- 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:20.114
- Everything we are all failed humans.
- 00:19:20.114 --> 00:19:23.918
- And god called the israelites.
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- It's like you're,
- 00:19:25.786 --> 00:19:26.921
- You know, stiff necked people just like the gentiles.
- 00:19:26.921 --> 00:19:30.057
- I mean, all of us
- 00:19:30.057 --> 00:19:31.525
- Said they didn't choose you because you're so great.
- 00:19:31.525 --> 00:19:34.528
- But, you know, god tells us in our weakness, he is made great.
- 00:19:34.528 --> 00:19:39.800
- And so my plumb line is the word of god.
- 00:19:39.800 --> 00:19:43.004
- The abrahamic covenant is a forever unconditional covenant.
- 00:19:43.004 --> 00:19:47.441
- Unlike the mosaic and others that are.
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- If then and we're told in scripture
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- That when israel comes back into the land,
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- That they're going to come back unbelieving
- 00:19:57.351 --> 00:19:59.920
- And israel is failed, as america has failed,
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- Both these countries, allow for abortions.
- 00:20:04.258 --> 00:20:08.863
- And we know how god feels about that.
- 00:20:08.863 --> 00:20:11.932
- So no, i don't give,
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- I don't give praise for every human decision.
- 00:20:15.102 --> 00:20:20.574
- But what god states and that's, that's what i support.
- 00:20:20.574 --> 00:20:26.213
- And he that this tiny nation that is less than one sixth
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- Of the entire middle east.
- 00:20:32.053 --> 00:20:36.390
- Yeah, it's,
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- It's just that we're living in interesting times.
- 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:42.396
- We truly are, cathy. so well said.
- 00:20:42.396 --> 00:20:44.398
- All around in israel, as you mentioned.
- 00:20:44.398 --> 00:20:46.233
- Look, this tiny nation is the size of the state of new jersey.
- 00:20:46.233 --> 00:20:50.171
- That's how small.
- 00:20:50.171 --> 00:20:51.339
- And the jewish people worldwide, i think, are 0.01%
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- Of the global population.
- 00:20:55.409 --> 00:20:56.844
- And yet the world's
- 00:20:56.844 --> 00:20:57.845
- Entire gaze is fixated on this one people group
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- And this one land.
- 00:21:01.549 --> 00:21:02.650
- I don't think that's any coincidence.
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- Hey, this has been great.
- 00:21:04.785 --> 00:21:06.253
- Final thoughts.
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- You've got a lot going on. business is booming.
- 00:21:07.288 --> 00:21:10.091
- Marriage is great. life is great.
- 00:21:10.091 --> 00:21:13.194
- And we're praying for
- 00:21:13.194 --> 00:21:14.295
- You guys with everything you're going through right
- 00:21:14.295 --> 00:21:16.030
- Now, god's going to get you through it.
- 00:21:16.030 --> 00:21:17.865
- Any final thoughts?
- 00:21:17.865 --> 00:21:18.833
- Cathy, for everyone watching
- 00:21:18.833 --> 00:21:20.234
- Your story is so inspirational, obviously.
- 00:21:20.234 --> 00:21:23.037
- And what should we take forward in these bible times
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- That we're living in right now?
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- Any final thoughts that you have here to share?
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- Thank you so much, erick.
- 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:35.015
- Just to to be alert and aware
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- And to put the lord first.
- 00:21:37.885 --> 00:21:41.155
- And that's the biggest lesson that i have in my life,
- 00:21:41.155 --> 00:21:45.025
- That relationship, when that relationship is right,
- 00:21:45.025 --> 00:21:48.462
- Every other relationship is so much better.
- 00:21:48.462 --> 00:21:51.265
- Yeah. cathy, thank you so much. wise words.
- 00:21:51.265 --> 00:21:53.567
- This was so encouraging.
- 00:21:53.567 --> 00:21:54.802
- What an inspirational story you have.
- 00:21:54.802 --> 00:21:56.804
- Hey, we'll do it again soon.
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- This was great, cathy. god bless you. thanks again.
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- Thank you. god bless you too.
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- Thank you.
- 00:22:02.243 --> 00:22:04.645
- When we come back, a powerful reminder that no
- 00:22:04.645 --> 00:22:07.681
- Matter where you are tonight, god is not done with your story.
- 00:22:07.681 --> 00:22:12.386
- Stay with us.
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- Stay with us.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight.
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- You know,
- 00:22:24.699 --> 00:22:25.500
- One of the things that strikes me
- 00:22:25.500 --> 00:22:26.401
- About kathy ireland's journey is this.
- 00:22:26.401 --> 00:22:28.737
- God can meet you anywhere.
- 00:22:28.737 --> 00:22:31.173
- Cathy was a teenager
- 00:22:31.173 --> 00:22:32.607
- Away from home and alone in a room, uncertain about life.
- 00:22:32.607 --> 00:22:36.778
- And yet that's where everything changed.
- 00:22:36.778 --> 00:22:39.347
- Not in the spotlight, but in the stillness.
- 00:22:39.347 --> 00:22:42.717
- And maybe that's where some of you are tonight.
- 00:22:42.717 --> 00:22:45.020
- Searching, questioning, trying to figure it all out.
- 00:22:45.020 --> 00:22:48.423
- Listen.
- 00:22:48.657 --> 00:22:49.624
- The same god who met cathy in that moment
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- Is reaching out to you right now.
- 00:22:51.526 --> 00:22:53.962
- God says in the book of jeremiah, chapter 29, verse 13,
- 00:22:53.962 --> 00:22:57.566
- You will seek me and find me when you seek me
- 00:22:57.566 --> 00:23:00.502
- With all your heart.
- 00:23:00.502 --> 00:23:02.237
- Folks, that's a promise.
- 00:23:02.237 --> 00:23:03.839
- God isn't distant. he's not hiding.
- 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:06.408
- He's waiting.
- 00:23:06.408 --> 00:23:07.709
- So take that step. open his word.
- 00:23:07.709 --> 00:23:10.111
- Seek him.
- 00:23:10.111 --> 00:23:11.279
- Because when you do, you will find purpose, direction,
- 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.282
- And peace that the world simply cannot give.
- 00:23:14.282 --> 00:23:17.853
- And that's where everything begins.
- 00:23:17.853 --> 00:23:20.655
- Until next time. god bless you.
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- We'll see you soon.
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