Erick Stakelbeck interviews Doctor OS Hawkins, a pastor and author of the new devotional "Just Jesus." They delve into the spiritual significance of Christmas and discuss the rise of anti-Semitism, as well as the roots of Jew hatred. Doctor Hawkins shares insights on the importance of standing with Israel and the need for revival among younger evangelicals. The episode also highlights his recent trip to Israel and the special honor he received from the White Rose Society. The conversation concludes with a heartfelt Christmas prayer from Doctor Hawkins.
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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: The Heart of Christmas | Stakelbeck Tonight | December 23, 2025
- Welcome to stakelbeck tonight.
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- I'm erick stakelbeck and we are living through
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- A moment when the headlines are shifting by the hour
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- From renewed tensions in the middle east
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- To rising anti-semitism across the west.
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- And every week brings
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- New reminders of how fragile peace can be.
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- Israel and lebanon are talking.
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- For the first time in decades, jewish communities
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- Worldwide are facing unprecedented hostility.
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- And right here in america,
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- Many are wondering what 2026 will hold.
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- In a world this chaotic, people are searching
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- Not just for clarity, but for anchoring, for something
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- Or someone steady enough to hold on to.
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- And that brings us to tonight's very special guest.
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- Few voices have helped more believers
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- Refocus their hope than doctor os hawkins, pastor,
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- Teacher, and bestselling author of more than 50 books.
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- His newest devotional, just jesus, delivers a simple
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- But profound and timeless message
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- When everything around us is shaking.
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- Jesus alone is the center that never moves.
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- Os great to see you, my friend. merry christmas!
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- Thank you erick. joy to be here. and merry christmas to you.
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- Yeah.
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- Your latest just jesus,
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- A 365 day devotional os our hope yesterday.
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- Today forever is a subtitle.
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- And you came up with the idea for the title of the book.
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- Christmas time nativity scene at your house
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- Gave you some inspiration. divine inspiration.
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- Tell us about it. yeah, well, i'll be happy to you. you know,
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- If i ask you right now for
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- Our viewers to put your hand over your watch right now
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- And tell me you will look at that watch 100 times a day.
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- Tell me if the numerals are roman or arabic.
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- Are there no numerals? are there some numerals?
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- Most people couldn't do it.
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- We see things we never see.
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- You know, you probably typed on your ipad or computer today,
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- I wonder, are are your keys red or gray or white?
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- Could you even tell me?
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- Right now we see things that we never see.
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- And so it is with with the nativity.
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- I mean, when we look at the nativity
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- We have wanted out of our home today,
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- What we got in israel many, many years ago.
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- Hollywood. and when you look at it,
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- It is a worship service.
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- The whole place is exploding with worship.
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- The the angels are hovering like drones
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- Singing glory to god in the highest.
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- The the shepherds are there bowing down,
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- The wise men who didn't come to a little later,
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- But we kind of move them into the activity,
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- Saying they're bowed down, bringing their gifts of gold,
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- Frankincense, or the whole place is exploding with worship.
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- But then when we do what we can do with our iphones,
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- We take that picture, we crop it down a little bit,
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- We come to the center and it's a family.
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- Mary, joseph and the christ.
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- You know, god is pro-family and,
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- Christmas is a time for family.
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- You know, even right now, as we're talking, people
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- Are planning and even traveling to get home for christmas.
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- And they'll sleep on the floor. they'll sleep on the couch.
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- They go back to their homes.
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- They're going to have to
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- Chiropractor a doctor because of a crooked neck or something.
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- But, but, but home is where the heart is.
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- And home is christmas.
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- Yeah.
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- God instituted the home before he did the church.
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- And when we look at the nativity with profit
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- Down to that family, we're reminded that god
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- Entrusted his only son into a human family.
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- But then, erick, when we crop it down
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- A little bit more, we come to one central figure.
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- And i love rembrandt's portrait of the nativity.
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- Everything is sort of shrouded in shadow in that one
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- Beam of light comes down upon the christ child to where
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- When we look at it like that, it's just jesus.
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- And so that's the
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- Title of this book, because it's 365 day devotional.
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- I want people to come away
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- Realizing them when all is said and done
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- And everything swirling around us.
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- Yeah,
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- It comes down to the fact that it's just jesus and what it is.
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- The code series of that we've done, the joshua code
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- That jesus code, bible code, promise code, spirit code there,
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- 14 of them.
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- We've taken nuggets
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- From each one of them into this 365 day devotional.
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- Yeah, and it's great for us.
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- We love the code series, by the way.
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- Anything in particular when we say just jesus?
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- I was going to ask you
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- About particular scriptures, those that jumped out at you
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- In your research bring this devotional together.
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- But when i think of just jesus very appropriate title,
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- Because he is
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- The consistent theme running both through the old
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- And new testaments. can you talk more about that?
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- Yeah, i'll ken and i'll tell you a scriptures
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- This christmas time. this is christmas season.
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- So a couple of the scriptures you said that really jumped out
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- At me. one was for joseph, one was for mary.
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- Mary, you know, in luke two seven,
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- There's a simple little phrase there that says,
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- She laid him in a manger.
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- Are you think about that.
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- I mean, this wasn't a sterile environment.
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- Their their sandals were squashing in the filth and dung.
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- The nauseating smell of the animals was horrible.
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- Sickness, disease and death were likely possibilities to
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- Birth a child in that environment.
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- And then the bible says she herself got up
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- And wrapped him in swaddling clothes
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- And laid him in a manger,
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- You know, had to come to herod's palace.
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- We wouldn't have had access to him.
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- But everybody has access to a manger.
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- And then the other thing about joseph,
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- I call joseph the forgotten man in the manger.
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- Yeah.
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- You know, everybody in the narrative is quoted
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- The angels are quoted. glory to god in the highest.
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- The shepherds recorded.
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- Let us go to bethlehem and see this thing.
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- The wise men are quoted, everybody in the christmas
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- Narrative is quoted, except joseph.
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- Nobody quotes joseph.
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- There's a christmas carol about everybody.
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- Shepherds we've heard on high.
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- We three men from orient are the wise men.
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- Mary.
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- Did you know i mean.
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- Mary, did you know no carols about joseph?
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- His legacy is not in what he said, but what he did.
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- And the whole narrative hinges on his obedience.
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- Think about it.
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- He heard a message and said, don't be afraid to take mary
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- Your wife.
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- There is spouse to be married and she's pregnant.
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- He knows he's going to become
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- The brunt of every barroom joke in nazareth.
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- But he obeyed.
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- And when they got down there, then after the christ was born,
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- And after that time when herod was beginning to kill,
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- God spoke again and said, flee and take him.
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- And he acted in obedience.
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- And then down in egypt, when god told him to go back, he did.
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- Everything about joseph was just a message,
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- Just somehow important it is to obey.
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- And that obedience brought blessings for him
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- And for all of us. no doubt.
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- Big takeaway, great christmas give folks just jesus.
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- Big takeaway from this devotional os 365 days.
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- Of course, our hope yesterday, today, forever.
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- Just jesus
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- Big takeaway for everyone is are doing
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- The christmas shopping right now
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- And i think this is the perfect stocking stuffer, no doubt.
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- Yeah, well thank you, thank you erick,
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- I hope i certainly hope so.
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- I just want people to know that
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- That literally i want to just say it again,
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- No matter what you're going through.
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- And, you know, christmas is a lonely time.
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- You know,
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- There's there more suicides during the during
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- The holiday season of christmas than any other time.
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- People are lonely.
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- People are hungry for something and the
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- Something they think they need is really someone.
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- And it's just jesus.
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- His sweet name is jesus.
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- And so i'm hoping that
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- This holiday season folks will return to him.
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- Amen. he's the answer.
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- And os, we're so glad you wrote the book number one
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- And put this great devotional together.
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- Number two, he just returned from israel,
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- The land of jesus and we've got much more though
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- Us talking about that israel trip, a
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- Very special honor he received and this rise in anti-semitism
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- Among young christians revival a lot to discuss
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- With the one and only os hawkins.
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- Next, stick around.
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- Next, stick around.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight
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- We're talking to our good friend,
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- Doctor os hawkins, pastor, author of the great new book
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- Just jesus, bible teacher and os.
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- You just returned from israel.
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- You received a very special honor
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- From the white rose society, right?
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- You and ambassador mike huckabee,
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- Our good friend here at tbn of course.
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- Tell us more about that, why it's so significant?
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- Well, thank you, erick.
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- You know, 1942, in munich,
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- The nazi war machine was moving
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- Across europe.
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- Bent on the annihilation of all the jewish people.
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- Doc was just 10 or 15 minutes away from munich,
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- Where they were already pouring
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- The jews off the trains into those concentration camps.
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- And there was a group of young evangelicals,
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- University students, doctoral,
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- Medical doctor students, 2 or 3 of them of 6 or 7 of them.
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- And, they stood up
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- Verbally and
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- Vocally, to the nazi regime when?
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- No, but when everyone else was silent
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- And they saved jews, they they hid jews.
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- They their symbol was a white rose.
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- And unfortunately, they were all captured by the nazis.
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- And in 1943, they were beheaded on a guillotine.
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- And in munich.
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- And then so there was, it's the white rose.
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- Resistance has been known throughout the last many,
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- Many decades since the world war two.
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- But then there was a lady in atlanta
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- By the name of linda seelig, a jewish lady in atlanta,
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- Who was burdened by this and started
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- What she calls the right white rose society.
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- And every year they honor a couple of people
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- Who had stood with israel through the years.
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- And, you know, erick, nine months after i was born,
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- A full gestation period, the state of israel was born.
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- And, we grew up together as children, as adolescents
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- And young adulthood.
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- Now, hopefully in a bit of maturity,
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- 50 years ago this month, i made my first trip to israel
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- And been back every year except the covid year.
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- This year
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- I was there for time,
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- So my wife susie and i have been very active in there.
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- So yes, we were honored with ambassador huckabee.
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- President herzog made this award to us in his home and a big,
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- Big, event, just last week.
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- So it was a great time to be there. yeah.
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- And it's
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- Also a great time to be there because we had almost 1200
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- American evangelical pastors historic, the largest
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- His largest gathering like that in the history of the nation.
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- Yeah.
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- They're to show our support and stand, with israel.
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- Yeah.
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- And no doubt, us israel right now, still facing a war on seven
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- Fronts. really?
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- Iran and its proxies.
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- What was your sense on the ground in israel
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- About the state of play? i guess we would say.
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- How does the israeli government
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- Feel about the position are in right now?
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- Iran weakened severely, of course.
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- Iran's proxies weakened president
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- Trump in office, a good thing for israel.
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- What was your overall sense among israelis?
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- The overall sense is there.
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- I was with, oh, more shem tov, young, young man.
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- He's 22 now.
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- He spent 505 days in the tunnels as a hostage.
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- He came out and spoke to this group.
- 00:11:27.553 --> 00:11:29.555
- When he stood up to speak, he said he thanked president trump
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- And this young man who spent that
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- The years, those those 505 days.
- 00:11:35.461 --> 00:11:39.231
- And there's horrible tara tunnels said
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- He wouldn't have been out had it not been for president trump.
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- I can tell you this in israel,
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- If there's anybody they love more than that, erick
- 00:11:48.040 --> 00:11:50.075
- Stakelbeck, it's ambassador mike huckabee and president trump.
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- So you mentioned iran.
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- Yes, things are great,
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- But i don't think anybody thinks iran is going away.
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- Yeah, i mean, they're always going to be there.
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- They're they're surrounded by hostile nations.
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- And, you know, they
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- You can
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- Look, we read a jewish book, the bible.
- 00:12:09.862 --> 00:12:13.299
- How can we love the bible, not love the jewish people.
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- We, we love and serve a jewish messiah
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- Who's preached on this network every day.
- 00:12:18.904 --> 00:12:21.040
- How can we love him without loving the jewish people?
- 00:12:21.040 --> 00:12:23.475
- So we were there to stand with
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- Him, to let them know they're all along alone.
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- That evangelical support is not going away.
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- Not now, not ever. yeah.
- 00:12:30.549 --> 00:12:32.685
- And yet we have that string of replacement theology
- 00:12:32.685 --> 00:12:35.888
- So-called os, and it's growing in some quarters of the church.
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- How concerned are you about?
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- Well, we're very concerned
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- About younger generations of evangelicals.
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- And, you know, you mentioned replacement theology.
- 00:12:46.398 --> 00:12:48.868
- For those of our listeners
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- Who may not know what it is, it's a stool.
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- The way i describe it,
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- It's a stool that sits on three wobbly legs.
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- The first leg, i would call rejecting,
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- This this the, i don't even call it a theology.
- 00:13:01.313 --> 00:13:04.416
- This philosophy teaches that god has rejected
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- His people, israel, and, has just reject him.
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- The second leg, is replaced that he's not only rejected them,
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- But he's replaced them with the church.
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- And the third leg, is revoke.
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- In other words, god has revoked all of his covenant
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- Promises to israel and given them to the church.
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- And that's what this teaches.
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- And that's why there's a growing amount of people,
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- Especially even in our young evangelical world,
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- Who don't think israel is any more important
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- Than venezuela or paraguay or turkey or anywhere else,
- 00:13:36.849 --> 00:13:40.819
- And have lost the sense of, of the
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- The call of the prophet to comfort my people israel.
- 00:13:43.789 --> 00:13:46.892
- And so, erick, the antidote to that,
- 00:13:46.892 --> 00:13:48.794
- Paul foresaw this in romans chapter 11.
- 00:13:48.794 --> 00:13:51.931
- You know, he wrote chapter nine of romans
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- To tell us about god's past dealings with israel,
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- Romans ten, his present dealings with israel, and romans
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- 11, his future dealings.
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- And so take that first leg
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- That god has rejected his people israel.
- 00:14:04.310 --> 00:14:06.779
- Well, paul begins romans 11, verse one and two
- 00:14:06.779 --> 00:14:10.015
- With a rhetorical question has god rejected his people,
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- The jews, and then emphatically says he has not by no means so.
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- It's contrary to scripture.
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- The second leg of replacement has god replaced.
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- He goes down in verse
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- 1718 of romans 11 and talks about the olive tree,
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- Which is a picture of the state of israel
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- And those of us gentiles who have come to christ
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- Or wild branches.
- 00:14:35.407 --> 00:14:36.675
- Paul said, who've been drafted in to this tree.
- 00:14:36.675 --> 00:14:40.946
- And then he says in verse 18, the branches don't
- 00:14:40.946 --> 00:14:44.450
- Support the root, the root supports the branches.
- 00:14:44.450 --> 00:14:48.487
- The church is not replaced. israel.
- 00:14:48.487 --> 00:14:50.522
- If god broke his covenants with israel, what hope do we have?
- 00:14:50.522 --> 00:14:54.193
- He wouldn't break in with us.
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- And then the final leg
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- Of revoking, he says in verse 29, the call,
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- The gifts and the calling of god are irrevocable.
- 00:15:01.767 --> 00:15:06.105
- God has promised israel that land as an everlasting covenant,
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- And god has a perfect record of keeping his promise.
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- Amen.
- 00:15:15.280 --> 00:15:15.948
- Doctor os hawkins so well said
- 00:15:15.948 --> 00:15:17.750
- Always, my friend, we're not done with you.
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- You'll be right back after the break.
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- Hey, we're talking about the rise in anti-semitism,
- 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.455
- Folks, as well, including right here in the united states.
- 00:15:23.455 --> 00:15:26.158
- What can be done about it?
- 00:15:26.158 --> 00:15:27.593
- And what's the real root of this anti-semitic scourge?
- 00:15:27.593 --> 00:15:31.030
- More with doctor os hawkins after the break.
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- Don't move.
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- Don't move.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight,
- 00:15:41.473 --> 00:15:42.875
- We're talking to the author
- 00:15:42.875 --> 00:15:43.909
- Of the brand new devotional just jesus, folks.
- 00:15:43.909 --> 00:15:46.812
- You pick it up, amazon.com.
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- Wherever books are sold,
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- The one and only doctor os hawkins is back with us.
- 00:15:49.381 --> 00:15:52.684
- And you and i were talking during the break.
- 00:15:52.684 --> 00:15:55.788
- Anti-semitism, the roots of it, of course, faulty teaching,
- 00:15:55.788 --> 00:15:59.258
- Replacement theology, which you just broke down.
- 00:15:59.258 --> 00:16:02.294
- But can you talk about just the spiritual root
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- Of jew hatred, the world's most ancient hatred?
- 00:16:05.197 --> 00:16:08.734
- Well, let's be honest.
- 00:16:08.734 --> 00:16:11.270
- It's demonic.
- 00:16:11.270 --> 00:16:12.237
- It comes straight out of hell.
- 00:16:12.237 --> 00:16:14.106
- The jews gave us the word of god.
- 00:16:14.106 --> 00:16:16.742
- The jews gave us the savior, the son of god.
- 00:16:16.742 --> 00:16:19.945
- And and, and things have never changed.
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- And they will not.
- 00:16:24.616 --> 00:16:26.085
- We'll never have peace until the coming of the prince of peace.
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- And, you know, we need to remember these things.
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- You know,
- 00:16:32.591 --> 00:16:33.225
- The greatest commandment,
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- The most repeated commandment in the torah,
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- The first five books
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- Of the old testament, the hebrew bible is to remember.
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- And the jews, this is what they did.
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- They remember when when joshua brought them through the jordan
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- Into the promised land.
- 00:16:48.140 --> 00:16:49.208
- If you remember, they stopped at gilgal.
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- That's right.
- 00:16:51.443 --> 00:16:52.644
- Made that altar to remember what god had done for them.
- 00:16:52.644 --> 00:16:56.014
- And they would come back to that altar at gilgal
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- To tell their children to remember, you know,
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- They were exiled for 2000
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- Years all over the world and yet kept passover.
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- And at the end of every passover meal, no matter where
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- They were, all over the world next year, they said
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- In jerusalem that hope of doing it every jewish home.
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- It has a mezuzah on the doorpost.
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- They go into that home and they touch it.
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- They come out of that home and they touch it
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- And go to remember it.
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- So it's a very important thing for us also,
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- To remember the promises that god gives to those of us
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- Who stand with his people,
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- The jews, you know, where he he calls them?
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- The apple of his eye. yeah.
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- You know, this is an amazing thing to me
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- Because moses, in deuteronomy 32, says
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- That during the wilderness
- 00:17:52.404 --> 00:17:53.505
- Wanderings, god kept them as the apple of his eye.
- 00:17:53.505 --> 00:17:57.442
- And then david prayed, i think in psalm
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- 17, david prayed, keep me as the apple of your eye.
- 00:18:00.012 --> 00:18:04.082
- Zechariah chapter two says, those who touch israel,
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- Touch the apple of god's eye.
- 00:18:08.187 --> 00:18:11.123
- Well, what is the apple of god's eye?
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- In hebrew it means the center.
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- It's the pupil of your eye.
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- And, erick, if i got close enough to you
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- To look in your pupil, you know what i.
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- You know what i would see?
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- It's a it reflects back to me.
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- I see a reflection of me in your eye
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- When we look, and metaphorically
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- When we look into the eyes of god,
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- We see his people, the jews.
- 00:18:30.776 --> 00:18:33.045
- They were reflected in his eye.
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- And it's a very dangerous thing to poke god in the eye.
- 00:18:35.113 --> 00:18:39.818
- And you,
- 00:18:40.085 --> 00:18:41.353
- You know, he will bless those who bless him, bless the jewish.
- 00:18:41.353 --> 00:18:43.989
- He will curse those who curse.
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- And we could go down to a litany of people
- 00:18:45.691 --> 00:18:48.293
- All through human history. history bears it out.
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- That bears it out. so, yeah.
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- So those who touch israel,
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- Touch the sinner, touch the apple of god's eye.
- 00:18:55.567 --> 00:18:58.937
- Yeah. that's the genesis 12 three affect us.
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- As you said, history bears it out.
- 00:19:01.540 --> 00:19:03.308
- I love the phrase the apple of his eye.
- 00:19:03.308 --> 00:19:05.043
- My dad used to say that all the time
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- Growing up, he'd refer to israel as the apple of god's.
- 00:19:07.246 --> 00:19:09.815
- I'd always stuck with me.
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- Hey, about a minute and a half before the break.
- 00:19:11.350 --> 00:19:13.118
- Then we'll close out in prayer.
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- You have a big heart for younger evangelicals right now,
- 00:19:14.586 --> 00:19:18.757
- And we see stirrings of revival.
- 00:19:18.757 --> 00:19:20.525
- I think, especially since charlie kirk's murder.
- 00:19:20.525 --> 00:19:23.829
- What are your thoughts right now on where
- 00:19:23.829 --> 00:19:25.631
- Generation z is heading?
- 00:19:25.631 --> 00:19:27.232
- And do you see revival on the horizon?
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- Well, i always hope for revival.
- 00:19:30.235 --> 00:19:31.803
- Yeah, we always pray for revival.
- 00:19:31.803 --> 00:19:34.039
- And, i do in many ways.
- 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:36.074
- I've got a grandson who's 22 years old.
- 00:19:36.074 --> 00:19:38.744
- He's just graduated university.
- 00:19:38.744 --> 00:19:40.445
- He's serving in a church.
- 00:19:40.445 --> 00:19:42.247
- He's on fire for god. he's a great young preacher.
- 00:19:42.247 --> 00:19:44.850
- He's in the seminary where i'm chancellor,
- 00:19:44.850 --> 00:19:47.085
- Southwestern baptist theological seminary,
- 00:19:47.085 --> 00:19:49.755
- And i see a bunch of
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- Young people in that net generation who are ready
- 00:19:51.056 --> 00:19:54.993
- To really reach out and capture the world.
- 00:19:54.993 --> 00:19:56.895
- But there is incredible spiritual warfare.
- 00:19:56.895 --> 00:20:00.899
- It's taking place in these places
- 00:20:00.899 --> 00:20:03.068
- And manifesting itself in so tragically
- 00:20:03.068 --> 00:20:06.371
- And so much anti-semitism
- 00:20:06.371 --> 00:20:08.206
- Around the world. we talked about replacement
- 00:20:08.206 --> 00:20:10.108
- Theology in our evangelical world.
- 00:20:10.108 --> 00:20:12.110
- Anti-semitism is the adopted child of replacement theology.
- 00:20:13.245 --> 00:20:17.349
- If you believe god has rejected
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- And revoked all the promises to israel,
- 00:20:18.950 --> 00:20:21.320
- Then what reason do you have to bless israel?
- 00:20:21.320 --> 00:20:24.222
- As the prophet said, comfort my people. no.
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- So true.
- 00:20:27.192 --> 00:20:27.959
- That's where replacement theology
- 00:20:27.959 --> 00:20:29.528
- Ultimately leads to anti-semitism.
- 00:20:29.528 --> 00:20:31.296
- That's the natural outcome of it.
- 00:20:31.296 --> 00:20:32.731
- And you know, jerusalem is israel is not going anywhere.
- 00:20:32.731 --> 00:20:35.334
- Jeremiah 31
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- I thought about this when i saw a full moon in jerusalem.
- 00:20:37.269 --> 00:20:39.738
- This last week when i was there.
- 00:20:39.738 --> 00:20:41.440
- And jeremiah 31 says that when this fixed order, the sun,
- 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:45.644
- The moon, and the stars are are departed and done away with,
- 00:20:45.644 --> 00:20:50.349
- Then will the nation of israel cease to exist?
- 00:20:50.349 --> 00:20:53.318
- So every time you go out and you see the moon, or every morning
- 00:20:53.318 --> 00:20:55.687
- You see a sunrise, just remember,
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- That's god's promise there that he is going to keep
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- His people in the palm of his hands, the apple of his eye.
- 00:21:00.792 --> 00:21:04.329
- Amen. he is a promise.
- 00:21:04.329 --> 00:21:05.831
- Keeping god os talking for a close out
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- In prayer after the break, folks,
- 00:21:07.866 --> 00:21:09.368
- Stick around a special christmas prayer with doctor os hawkins.
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- That's next.
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- That's next.
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- We're wrapping up with our good friend,
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- Doctor os hawkins, author of the brand
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- Os any thoughts, anything on your heart
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- As we enter this christmas season?
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- Well, i would just remind everybody that,
- 00:21:36.764 --> 00:21:39.633
- In matthew chapter four, chapter one, we're introduced
- 00:21:39.633 --> 00:21:43.670
- To 47 names that end up in the genealogy of jesus.
- 00:21:43.670 --> 00:21:49.143
- And, you know, this christmas season, there's
- 00:21:49.143 --> 00:21:51.645
- There's a lot of people out here with grief.
- 00:21:51.645 --> 00:21:54.081
- There's grief in the family tree of jesus.
- 00:21:54.081 --> 00:21:56.550
- I mean, david is there.
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- He knew the grief of losing his son,
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- Of having another son rebelled against him.
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- Abraham is there.
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- He knew the grief of leaving everything alone
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- To go to a land he had never been.
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- There's grace in that family tree.
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- There are three women there,
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- And that wasn't usually done in genealogies.
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- Tamar, who was tamar?
- 00:22:15.269 --> 00:22:17.271
- One time she dressed as a prostitute,
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- Seduced her father in law, had a little intimate child.
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- Rahab is there.
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- The town harlot of jericho.
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- And the others.
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- Bathsheba, who lived in adultery with david.
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- If anyone is in christ, they become a new creature.
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- There's grace in the family tree of jesus, and.
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- And then thirdly,
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- There's god there because we end up with jesus.
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- And so there in matthew 21, the message of christmas
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- Is in a name.
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- Call his name emmanuel, god with us.
- 00:22:43.630 --> 00:22:45.632
- And the mission of christmas is in a name.
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- He should be called jesus savior.
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- And can you take some of the really quick prayer?
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- Maybe 10s.
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- Father, we love you today and we thank you for this
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- Holiday season, for the gift of god in christ jesus.
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- In his precious name we pray.
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- Amen.
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- Doctor os hawkins merry christmas, my friend.
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- This was great.
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- Thank you.
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- Great way to head into christmas eve, folks.
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- Tomorrow night, christmas in bethlehem.
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- You won't want to miss that.
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- And folks don█t miss our christmas show
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- The promise of christmas. it█s a
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- Special edition of stakelbeck tonight
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- For your holiday.
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- Until tomorrow night, christmas eve.
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- God bless you and we'll see you soon.
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