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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: May 15, 2025 | Stakelbeck Tonight | May 15, 2025
- Welcome to stakelbeck tonight.
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- I'm erick stakelbeck.
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- And a nation that's long been one of the world's
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- Most notorious sponsors of terrorism.
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- Is attempting a makeover.
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- But is it credible?
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- That's the big question.
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- After president trump met
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- Wednesday with syrian leader ahmed al jazeera.
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- Now, just a few months ago, al jazeera was known primarily
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- As an al qaeda terrorist who had a $10 million bounty
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- On his head, courtesy of the united states.
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- Back then, he went by the name mohammed al golani.
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- But when his forces rolled into damascus in december 2024
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- And overthrew dictator bashar al assad, the man now
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- Calling himself ahmed al sharia
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- Suddenly became the most powerful man in syria.
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- Fast forward five months and he found himself meeting
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- With the leader of the free world, donald j.
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- Trump.
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- The president
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- Praised al shara afterwards and said the meeting went well.
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- He also announced that he was
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- Now dropping sanctions against syria.
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- Take a look.
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- I will be.
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- Ordering the cessation
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- Of sanctions against syria in order to give them a chance.
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- At great. this.
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- Year.
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- The president has also made clear,
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- However, that al-sharia has some big commitments to fulfill
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- If he wants full normalization with the united states.
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- President trump demanded
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- That he expel all terrorist groups from syrian soil.
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- Help crack
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- Down on isis, respect religious and ethnic minorities,
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- Including syrian christians, and leave the kurds alone.
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- He also told al jazeera that he wants syria
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- To join the abraham accords and to normalize relations
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- With israel.
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- Now, al shara reportedly said all the right things in return.
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- But folks, this is the ultimate case of let's wait and see.
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- If al jazeera does not follow through and reverts to his old
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- Jihadi ways.
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- President trump has vowed to renew sanctions
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- And squeeze syria like never before.
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- Look, the president is taking a gamble
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- Here on a guy with a very dubious recent past.
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- So why would he do it?
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- A few reasons.
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- Number one, the saudis, qataris and the uae all lobbied for it
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- And vouched for al qaida, and the president
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- Wanted to throw them a bone
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- During his current tour of their countries.
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- His strategy seems to be working.
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- On tuesday, saudi arabia pledged to invest over $600
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- Billion in the united states,
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- And qatar yesterday signed a deal with the u.s.
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- Worth 1.2 trillion.
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- And then today,
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- During the final leg of his trip,
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- The president secured a $1.4 trillion investment
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- Deal with the uae.
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- All of this
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- Economic wheeling and dealing brings me to the second
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- And main reason president trump met with syria's leader.
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- He's building a coalition against iran and china.
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- The big economic deals with the arab gulf states
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- Draw them closer to the west and away from chinese influence.
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- And in the case of syria, the president wants to flip that
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- Pivotal country away from iran under bashar al-assad's rule.
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- Syria was a crucial part of iran's ring of fire
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- And also very close to russia and china.
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- Not good.
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- So president
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- Trump is trying to turn this longtime enemy of israel
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- And the west into a potential ally,
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- A bold strategy, but can it work?
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- We'll soon find out.
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- Folks, expect the unexpected in today's middle east.
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- In these prophetic times, president trump
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- Has leverage in the region, and he's using it.
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- That includes in gaza and other world hotspots.
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- Coming up,
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- We're joined by the world's foremost expert on urban warfare
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- To get the latest on wars and rumors of war around the globe
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- And what they mean for america and israel.
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- And it all starts now.
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- As israel
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- Battles hamas and one of the most complex urban
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- Wars of our time, what does true victory look like?
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- And is it possible
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- When the world's leading militaries
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- Need answers on how to fight and win in places like gaza?
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- They turn to our next guest.
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- John spencer
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- Is the chair of urban warfare
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- Studies at west point's modern war institute,
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- Executive director of the urban warfare institute,
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- And host of the urban warfare project podcast.
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- He's advised top u.s.
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- Generals, served in elite combat units, and literally wrote
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- The book on how civilians
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- Can defend their cities in war zones like ukraine.
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- If anyone understands the brutal reality of urban
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- Combat, it's john spencer.
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- He joins us now.
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- John, always great to see you.
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- Hey, israel this week attempted to take out mohammed sinwar, a
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- Hamas leader,
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- While we're still
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- Awaiting confirmation on whether he was killed.
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- But, john, you said wars can't be won
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- Without taking names off the list.
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- Is ultimate victory in gaza possible for israel?
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- And what does that look like?
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- I absolutely believe it's possible.
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- And the only way to end
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- The cycle of violence that has led us to this place
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- Where you have the palestinian people in gaza being
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- Radicalize, is to not even care for the life of their children,
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- But only the death of the jewish people and israel state.
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- Yeah.
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- If president trump in my my opinion,
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- Had been the president after october 7th,
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- This war would have already come to a much different place.
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- The only way to achieve ultimate victory is to defeat
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- The will of hamas, to believe that they can win the war
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- They started on october 7th.
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- That does require a massive amount of military forces,
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- Not just in the air, but on the ground,
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- Going forth and removing hamas from political power
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- And all of their military capabilities.
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- They built over decades with billions of dollars
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- Of international aid.
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- And unfortunately, after october 7th, people like the biden
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- Administration constrained israel based on misinformation.
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- When the right way to win a war is use overwhelming force
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- To convince your enemy that they're not going to win.
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- Yeah, i mean, hamas has turned gaza essentially
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- Into one big booby trap, terrorist hornet's nest.
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- Now israel is ready to go back in in a major way, perhaps.
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- It seems like the trump administration
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- Wants to see the gaza war winding down.
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- But do you believe it's important for israel
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- To finish the job there?
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- Absolutely.
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- I mean, this is and i've been down to gaza
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- Four times since october 7th watching the idf operation.
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- It's understanding.
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- It's not just the biggest urban warfare challenge of our time.
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- From my research, probably
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- The biggest urban warfare challenge in military history
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- And what the idf has been able to do despite the constraints
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- That we would not be under, like egypt
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- Saying not one refugee out of gaza having to be trapped
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- So that hamas can use them at the civilians
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- As human shields and human sacrifice.
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- What the idf have been able to do thus
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- Far is still incredible by every metric
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- And protecting civilians.
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- But the amount of work that must be done now to remove
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- Hamas entrenched in gaza is is no small task.
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- But there's actually a credible plan.
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- And what it took was
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- And we've seen this since president trump was elected,
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- Hamas convinced that they need to do things differently
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- Than what they were doing before,
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- Which was just holding out, believing they could win.
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- It takes a lot of credible
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- Not just words, but actions.
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- And the world could have been helping up to this point.
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- But israel now has a new plan.
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- It's called gideon's chariot
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- To do what's necessary to go in and methodically move civilians
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- Into a new area in southern gaza, where they can get aid
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- And hamas can't take it,
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- And then block by block, house by house.
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- Clear gaza of hamas's military and political capability,
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- And then hold that ground. it's absolutely possible.
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- But what it took wasn't a military.
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- It took a political will
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- To including the united states, recognizing, look, there's a
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- This is a big problem that we the world allowed to happen.
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- Israel is going to not ask me for help.
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- I'm going to methodically do it correctly.
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- But the in the united states saying, look, i understand
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- You need to do this or the entire region won't be safe.
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- Yeah. john so well said.
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- And i think you said the key word will
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- There has to be the will. i believe bibi has.
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- I think president trump has it
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- For a new day in gaza and to completely vanquish hamas.
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- About a minute left before the break, israel
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- Facing a bunch of tough challenges.
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- Obviously war on seven fronts.
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- Gaza one of them. but the head of the snake.
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- Iran. iran's nuclear program.
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- John talks ongoing with the trump
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- Administration between the iranian regime
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- And the trump administration.
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- At the end of the day, if israel is forced to go alone
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- And perhaps strike iran's nuclear facilities,
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- We don't know how these talks will play out, of course.
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- Is that a mission that israel can complete
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- Alone, or would that require some sort of u.s.
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- Assistance to really make a dent in iran's nuclear facilities?
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- Well, if you've ever studied israel in its self-defense wars,
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- When it's attacked, it does things incredibly
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- That nobody could have imagined, even what it did in yemen.
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- Inside, to hit a deep, buried site
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- That wouldn't have been able to hit from the sky
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- By putting soldiers on the ground
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- In a matter of hours, eliminating that site.
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- Is it possible?
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- What i've learned through studying in israel in the war
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- Don't ever underestimate the capability of israel.
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- It will.
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- They act for their own survival.
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- Yes, they've done it before with nuclear ambitions of saddam
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- In syria.
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- I think that's not going to be necessary.
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- I'm actually hopeful that
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- The president trump, when he says
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- Iran will not get a nuclear weapon,
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- First, we're going to try diplomacy.
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- But there is only one solution here.
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- Could israel do it by themselves?
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- I think so. i don't think that's necessary.
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- Yeah, john, great points.
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- I think either way,
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- This is the year of reckoning for iran's nuclear program.
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- Finally, more with john spencer after the break, folks.
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- What about india and pakistan?
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- Have you been following this?
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- Was the world just on the brink of nuclear war?
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- What about russia? ukraine?
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- More with john spencer after the break.
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- Stick around.
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- Stick around.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight we're talking
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- To the world's foremost expert on urban warfare, john spencer.
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- John, it seems that the world may have just dodged
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- A bullet in this showdown between india and pakistan.
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- You've been covering this a bunch.
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- They're really on the brink of something major and disastrous.
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- Perhaps.
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- Tell us more about india's operations.
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- Endure pakistan's support for terror
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- And where that conflict stands right now.
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- Yeah, it's been surprising with the lack of international
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- Media coverage of this near,
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- You know, two
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- Nuclear armed states
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- Trading blows and but within a matter of
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- Four days, india was able to establish a new doctrine,
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- A new peace after on april 22nd, pakistan backed terrorists
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- Pretty undeniably entered india and killed 26 indian civilians.
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- And then india responded against their terror
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- Sites in pakistan or pakistan.
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- Areas in the kashmir,
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- Then the pakistan military elevated by sending a drone form
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- At indian civilian and military sites.
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- So india showed overwhelming military superiority
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- By responding all in very clear strategic direction.
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- And there is this
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- I think we have a problem in the world today going right.
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- Wrong.
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- Good, bad,
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- State backed terrorism that pakistan has been doing
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- For decades has been allowed in.
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- India finally drew a line
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- For many reasons, saying no more will date back.
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- Terrors that pakistan sends into india to conduct terrorism
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- Will be allowed and we will defend ourselves,
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- But also really showing leadership
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- Globally on the nuclear accord.
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- Right? so nobody wants
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- Wanted to see this escalate to nuclear warfare.
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- But india said, look, i understand that.
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- We understand that we are a democratic, law abiding
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- And of course want peace.
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- But you're not going to nuclear blackmail
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- Us by saying
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- Just because you have a nuclear weapon,
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- You can violate every international law and every
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- Really right thing to do by launching terrorist attacks
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- Into our country.
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- So there's actually
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- Some really big lessons that aren't being covered here,
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- As we've seen in other parts of the world
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- And why we can't have
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- An extremist islamic regime in iran have a nuclear weapon,
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- Because that changes everything
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- On what they think they can get away with.
- 00:13:23.994 --> 00:13:25.662
- So true john, great points.
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- And look, speaking of showdowns and rivals russia, ukraine.
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- We're hearing rumblings this week
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- That maybe vladimir putin and zelensky,
- 00:13:33.637 --> 00:13:35.705
- Perhaps even president trump, would all meet in turkey
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- And try and hammer out some sort of deal.
- 00:13:38.541 --> 00:13:40.510
- Where does that stand?
- 00:13:40.510 --> 00:13:41.678
- Vladimir putin now will not attend those nuclear
- 00:13:41.678 --> 00:13:44.214
- Or nuclear, i'm sorry, cease fire talks in turkey.
- 00:13:44.214 --> 00:13:47.150
- Where does that stand right now?
- 00:13:47.150 --> 00:13:48.852
- Are we any closer, perhaps, to ending that conflict?
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- President trump obviously has been very invested in that.
- 00:13:51.922 --> 00:13:56.126
- Yeah.
- 00:13:56.359 --> 00:13:56.893
- And he is fired from
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- Even before he was elected to to get the people to the table.
- 00:13:58.128 --> 00:14:01.965
- And it's only been one side that's been showing
- 00:14:01.965 --> 00:14:03.800
- Any willingness or a peace agreement.
- 00:14:03.800 --> 00:14:06.036
- President zelensky and ukraine has agreed to a
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- Three day ceasefire,
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- Agreed to attend this conference in person,
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- Agreed to a mineral deal that that will benefit the us
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- Economy. and putin has done everything.
- 00:14:15.412 --> 00:14:18.081
- In the opposite, he refused a 30 day ceasefire,
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- Not even sending not a refused to attend this.
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- This talk
- 00:14:24.254 --> 00:14:25.455
- Won't even send like his number to lavrov or anybody else.
- 00:14:25.455 --> 00:14:28.658
- It's almost a sign of disrespect to the president,
- 00:14:28.658 --> 00:14:31.861
- To president trump to say, look,
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- I don't care about your negotiations.
- 00:14:33.296 --> 00:14:35.165
- This is the problem.
- 00:14:35.165 --> 00:14:36.299
- And in this fight, again with the nuclear blackmail,
- 00:14:36.299 --> 00:14:39.769
- People don't understand, like, why are people dying?
- 00:14:39.769 --> 00:14:42.172
- Ukraine is dying for their freedom
- 00:14:42.172 --> 00:14:45.008
- As russia tried to take the entire country.
- 00:14:45.008 --> 00:14:48.211
- And that somehow is getting mixed.
- 00:14:48.211 --> 00:14:49.713
- But putin is
- 00:14:49.713 --> 00:14:50.914
- Showing the president right now his true colors,
- 00:14:50.914 --> 00:14:53.850
- And he has no intention.
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- It appears to
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- Be genuine about wanting to seek an end to this violence.
- 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:00.323
- Yeah, it's so obvious. john.
- 00:15:00.323 --> 00:15:01.891
- Hey, about a minute left. big picture.
- 00:15:01.891 --> 00:15:04.761
- Takeaways from president trump's visit.
- 00:15:04.761 --> 00:15:06.963
- Historic visit this week to the middle
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- East, saudi arabia, qatar, uae big picture there.
- 00:15:09.165 --> 00:15:12.168
- A lot of economic dealings going down.
- 00:15:12.168 --> 00:15:14.037
- How have you seen it?
- 00:15:14.037 --> 00:15:16.139
- I think it's historic of building
- 00:15:16.139 --> 00:15:18.641
- A economic tie that will benefit the united states economy for
- 00:15:18.641 --> 00:15:22.846
- For a generation,
- 00:15:22.846 --> 00:15:24.114
- But also holding people accountable to their actions.
- 00:15:24.114 --> 00:15:27.717
- So just because you signed $1 billion, trillion dollar deal
- 00:15:27.717 --> 00:15:30.186
- That makes the us economy, makes the u.s.
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- Military stronger, doesn't mean that we won't
- 00:15:33.023 --> 00:15:35.759
- Then still hold people accountable like qatar's,
- 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.695
- You know, investment in our universities and other aspects,
- 00:15:38.695 --> 00:15:41.464
- But also building an alliance against the biggest threat
- 00:15:41.464 --> 00:15:44.401
- To peace in the entire region, if not the world.
- 00:15:44.401 --> 00:15:47.904
- The islamic regime's interest in trying to get to that
- 00:15:47.904 --> 00:15:50.940
- Nuclear weapon. so he's building that alliance.
- 00:15:50.940 --> 00:15:53.676
- So it is really generationally huge
- 00:15:53.676 --> 00:15:57.847
- What he's been able to achieve in just a few days.
- 00:15:57.847 --> 00:16:00.350
- Yeah, john, it's amazing.
- 00:16:00.350 --> 00:16:01.351
- We're seeing history in the making.
- 00:16:01.351 --> 00:16:02.719
- And john, you have a front row seat for folks.
- 00:16:02.719 --> 00:16:04.521
- Be sure to follow john spencer on x across social media.
- 00:16:04.521 --> 00:16:08.124
- John great job as always my friend.
- 00:16:08.124 --> 00:16:09.859
- Keep up the great work. god bless.
- 00:16:09.859 --> 00:16:11.194
- We'll see you again soon.
- 00:16:11.194 --> 00:16:12.095
- And coming up after the break,
- 00:16:12.095 --> 00:16:13.563
- We're talking hamas, talking gaza.
- 00:16:13.563 --> 00:16:15.732
- Well, you may have noticed
- 00:16:15.732 --> 00:16:17.100
- Pro hamas mobs on college campuses right here in america.
- 00:16:17.100 --> 00:16:21.538
- Can jews and christians come together
- 00:16:21.538 --> 00:16:24.707
- To form an alliance against that?
- 00:16:24.707 --> 00:16:26.976
- We headed to washington, d.c. to find out.
- 00:16:26.976 --> 00:16:29.813
- That's next.
- 00:16:29.813 --> 00:16:33.002
- That's next.
- 00:16:33.002 --> 00:16:35.819
- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight.
- 00:16:36.586 --> 00:16:38.354
- He's been on the front lines of national security, middle
- 00:16:38.354 --> 00:16:41.591
- East policy, and the fight against anti-semitism
- 00:16:41.591 --> 00:16:44.727
- For over 15 years in washington, d.c.. e.j.
- 00:16:44.727 --> 00:16:48.631
- Kimball serves as director of christian outreach
- 00:16:48.631 --> 00:16:51.067
- And engagement for the combat antisemitism movement,
- 00:16:51.067 --> 00:16:54.204
- And from advising members of congress
- 00:16:54.204 --> 00:16:56.272
- To leading strategic efforts on capitol hill.
- 00:16:56.272 --> 00:16:59.075
- He's one of the most trusted voices on israel, anti-semitism
- 00:16:59.075 --> 00:17:03.179
- And national defense.
- 00:17:03.179 --> 00:17:04.614
- He joined me at the capitol recently to break down
- 00:17:04.614 --> 00:17:07.517
- Why jews and christians must work together
- 00:17:07.517 --> 00:17:11.087
- In the face of common threats to our civilization.
- 00:17:11.087 --> 00:17:15.191
- Take a look.
- 00:17:15.191 --> 00:17:17.660
- E.j., great to have you with us here on capitol hill.
- 00:17:17.660 --> 00:17:19.996
- And you're spearheading this great movement
- 00:17:19.996 --> 00:17:21.898
- Combating anti-semitism.
- 00:17:21.898 --> 00:17:23.800
- And you and i were talking off camera.
- 00:17:23.800 --> 00:17:25.768
- We've got obviously, the vanguard
- 00:17:25.768 --> 00:17:27.370
- Of global anti-semitism, the iranian regime.
- 00:17:27.370 --> 00:17:30.039
- We've got hamas and the after effects
- 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:31.841
- Of the gaza war ongoing, actually.
- 00:17:31.841 --> 00:17:33.710
- But it all ties back here to the united states as well.
- 00:17:33.710 --> 00:17:36.880
- E.j., tell us what you're doing to combat the madness
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- On college campuses, places
- 00:17:39.916 --> 00:17:41.484
- Like harvard, columbia university,
- 00:17:41.484 --> 00:17:43.052
- Which right now
- 00:17:43.052 --> 00:17:43.820
- Are plagued by anti-semitism,
- 00:17:43.820 --> 00:17:45.488
- Not only students, but even professors as well.
- 00:17:45.488 --> 00:17:48.358
- Erick, thanks for for having me on
- 00:17:48.358 --> 00:17:50.593
- Because i always enjoy our conversations.
- 00:17:50.593 --> 00:17:53.129
- And so the combat antisemitism movement,
- 00:17:53.129 --> 00:17:56.633
- Where i've been working
- 00:17:56.633 --> 00:17:58.134
- To fight the world's oldest hatred,
- 00:17:58.134 --> 00:18:00.103
- We've been around for only six years,
- 00:18:00.103 --> 00:18:02.005
- Which is not a long time, but we've been doing a lot.
- 00:18:02.005 --> 00:18:05.275
- Unfortunately, because of the threats
- 00:18:05.275 --> 00:18:07.777
- That have just been growing in this country.
- 00:18:07.777 --> 00:18:09.979
- And, you know, since october 8th day
- 00:18:09.979 --> 00:18:12.815
- After the october 7th attack, we saw things
- 00:18:12.815 --> 00:18:15.919
- Erupt on college campuses, out of out of control.
- 00:18:15.919 --> 00:18:19.722
- And people were shocked
- 00:18:19.722 --> 00:18:21.024
- By this spontaneous explosion of antisemitism.
- 00:18:21.024 --> 00:18:24.794
- But this had been going on for generations.
- 00:18:24.794 --> 00:18:27.664
- It had been building.
- 00:18:27.664 --> 00:18:29.299
- And october 7th was sort of a triggering moment.
- 00:18:29.299 --> 00:18:33.836
- It was it was an excuse to to launch this invective
- 00:18:33.836 --> 00:18:37.240
- Against the jewish community in the united states.
- 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:40.376
- And what we saw in that moment was a colossal,
- 00:18:40.376 --> 00:18:44.013
- Colossal failure of leadership.
- 00:18:44.013 --> 00:18:46.449
- It was, but not just on that day.
- 00:18:46.449 --> 00:18:48.251
- This had been years in the making,
- 00:18:48.251 --> 00:18:50.019
- Where leaders on these college campuses failed to do their job
- 00:18:50.019 --> 00:18:54.591
- To protect students and really to train,
- 00:18:54.591 --> 00:18:57.760
- Train the students on campus what it means to be
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- A good human being.
- 00:19:01.764 --> 00:19:03.600
- We need partners because as much as people
- 00:19:03.600 --> 00:19:06.436
- Look at this as a jewish issue
- 00:19:06.436 --> 00:19:09.505
- Fighting antisemitism, it's not just about the jews.
- 00:19:09.505 --> 00:19:12.609
- So, you know, it starts with the jews.
- 00:19:12.609 --> 00:19:14.410
- It never ends with the jews.
- 00:19:14.410 --> 00:19:15.945
- And we've seen at these,
- 00:19:15.945 --> 00:19:17.513
- You know, so-called protests, you know, for for gaza,
- 00:19:17.513 --> 00:19:21.351
- You know, these are pro hamas protests.
- 00:19:21.351 --> 00:19:23.720
- These are anti-american protests.
- 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:25.888
- So this is
- 00:19:25.888 --> 00:19:27.056
- Something that we realize we have to work with partners.
- 00:19:27.056 --> 00:19:30.126
- We have over 900 partner organizations that we work with
- 00:19:30.126 --> 00:19:34.130
- And the community that i focus my attention on
- 00:19:34.130 --> 00:19:36.699
- Is the christian community.
- 00:19:36.699 --> 00:19:38.201
- First of all, the christian community has open arms.
- 00:19:38.201 --> 00:19:40.970
- They want to help. they want to work.
- 00:19:40.970 --> 00:19:42.739
- There's the biblical connection to working
- 00:19:42.739 --> 00:19:45.775
- With the jewish people, supporting the state of israel.
- 00:19:45.775 --> 00:19:48.578
- But there's also a basic moral understanding of good and evil.
- 00:19:48.578 --> 00:19:53.983
- And this is something that we saw on college campuses,
- 00:19:53.983 --> 00:19:56.986
- You know, post october 7th, i'm sure you've covered on the show
- 00:19:56.986 --> 00:20:00.390
- President of harvard, who,
- 00:20:00.390 --> 00:20:01.891
- You know, couldn't answer the basic questions of,
- 00:20:01.891 --> 00:20:04.894
- You know, does
- 00:20:04.894 --> 00:20:05.728
- Chanting for genocide against jews
- 00:20:05.728 --> 00:20:07.563
- Violate your student code of conduct right here?
- 00:20:07.563 --> 00:20:10.366
- You know, these really simple things,
- 00:20:10.366 --> 00:20:12.168
- Which is what leaders need to do.
- 00:20:12.168 --> 00:20:13.569
- And so that's what we're doing as as an organization.
- 00:20:13.569 --> 00:20:16.339
- We're partnering with groups.
- 00:20:16.339 --> 00:20:17.807
- We're working to get college campuses to do their job. e.j.
- 00:20:17.807 --> 00:20:22.679
- Mentioned the importance of leadership.
- 00:20:22.679 --> 00:20:24.314
- What kind of difference has president trump
- 00:20:24.314 --> 00:20:26.449
- And the new administration,
- 00:20:26.449 --> 00:20:27.750
- Their leadership, made in combating this scourge,
- 00:20:27.750 --> 00:20:30.553
- Not only abroad but here at home?
- 00:20:30.553 --> 00:20:32.655
- It's been night and day.
- 00:20:32.655 --> 00:20:34.657
- You know, we had the previous administration would give
- 00:20:34.657 --> 00:20:38.561
- Lip service. they would talk,
- 00:20:38.561 --> 00:20:40.063
- You would see some college campuses.
- 00:20:40.863 --> 00:20:42.699
- We're doing a good job fighting anti-semitism.
- 00:20:42.699 --> 00:20:45.101
- Some of them you would almost and i would say encouraging
- 00:20:45.101 --> 00:20:49.639
- As through their faculty from their top,
- 00:20:49.639 --> 00:20:52.709
- Because they weren't willing
- 00:20:52.709 --> 00:20:54.344
- To take on the fight of what they needed to do
- 00:20:54.344 --> 00:20:56.679
- When president trump was candidate.
- 00:20:56.679 --> 00:20:59.382
- Trump, he was very clear about what was going to happen
- 00:20:59.382 --> 00:21:03.486
- When he won, and he has followed through with it.
- 00:21:03.486 --> 00:21:07.223
- And so they've changed.
- 00:21:07.223 --> 00:21:09.325
- They've changed a lot of these universities
- 00:21:09.325 --> 00:21:11.227
- The way that they are acting.
- 00:21:11.227 --> 00:21:12.695
- And we've seen there's been a significant drop
- 00:21:12.695 --> 00:21:15.231
- In the violent activity against jews.
- 00:21:15.231 --> 00:21:17.300
- Accountability thanks.
- 00:21:17.300 --> 00:21:18.434
- The administration, thanks to great work
- 00:21:18.434 --> 00:21:19.869
- You're doing as well, e.j.,
- 00:21:19.869 --> 00:21:21.003
- Combating anti-semitism movement.
- 00:21:21.003 --> 00:21:22.805
- Last question.
- 00:21:22.805 --> 00:21:24.040
- You have a legal background, of course,
- 00:21:24.040 --> 00:21:25.975
- A difference between free speech, first amendment.
- 00:21:25.975 --> 00:21:28.578
- You hear this from these pro hamas mobs.
- 00:21:28.578 --> 00:21:30.179
- We've got freedom of speech.
- 00:21:30.179 --> 00:21:31.547
- The big difference, right, when someone say, columbia
- 00:21:31.547 --> 00:21:34.083
- University is calling for death to the jews and praising hamas,
- 00:21:34.083 --> 00:21:37.286
- And they're not even a u.s.
- 00:21:37.286 --> 00:21:38.287
- Citizen, they probably should be here.
- 00:21:38.287 --> 00:21:41.057
- So, 100% there is a first amendment right
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- To freedom of speech.
- 00:21:44.060 --> 00:21:45.294
- Someone here on a student visa has the right to protest.
- 00:21:45.294 --> 00:21:49.832
- Absolutely.
- 00:21:49.832 --> 00:21:50.933
- What they don't have a right to do is violate the law.
- 00:21:50.933 --> 00:21:53.536
- So when you are calling
- 00:21:53.536 --> 00:21:54.771
- For the genocide of jews, when you are assaulting jews,
- 00:21:54.771 --> 00:21:58.007
- Preventing their freedom of movement,
- 00:21:58.007 --> 00:21:59.942
- Not only are you violating the law,
- 00:22:00.710 --> 00:22:02.412
- You're violating
- 00:22:02.412 --> 00:22:03.546
- The terms of your visa, which means you can be kicked
- 00:22:03.546 --> 00:22:06.282
- Out of this country.
- 00:22:06.282 --> 00:22:07.316
- That is not violating your due process rights.
- 00:22:07.316 --> 00:22:10.820
- That is following the law.
- 00:22:10.820 --> 00:22:12.522
- And that is so vitally important.
- 00:22:12.522 --> 00:22:14.357
- Yeah, e.j., great job.
- 00:22:14.357 --> 00:22:15.525
- Keep up the great work. we appreciate it.
- 00:22:15.525 --> 00:22:17.126
- God bless.
- 00:22:17.126 --> 00:22:19.362
- Thanks again to e.j.
- 00:22:19.362 --> 00:22:20.229
- Kimball folks.
- 00:22:20.229 --> 00:22:21.130
- He's doing great work on antisemitism.
- 00:22:21.130 --> 00:22:23.232
- Be sure to follow him on x across social media.
- 00:22:23.232 --> 00:22:26.102
- Coming up after the break,
- 00:22:26.102 --> 00:22:27.470
- My final thoughts on those prophetic chess pieces
- 00:22:27.470 --> 00:22:30.606
- That we've talked about earlier.
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- That's next.
- 00:22:32.175 --> 00:22:33.009
- Don't move.
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- Don't move.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight, folks.
- 00:22:39.816 --> 00:22:41.651
- We've been talking about wars and rumors of war.
- 00:22:41.651 --> 00:22:44.420
- And then on the positive side, these big economic deals
- 00:22:44.420 --> 00:22:47.089
- Happening right now in the middle east and beyond.
- 00:22:47.089 --> 00:22:49.158
- But at the end of the day,
- 00:22:49.158 --> 00:22:50.626
- Remember the words of psalm 22, verses 27 and 28,
- 00:22:50.626 --> 00:22:54.564
- All the ends of the earth will remember, and turn to the lord,
- 00:22:54.564 --> 00:22:58.701
- And all the families of the nations will bow down
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- Before him.
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- For dominion
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- Belongs to the lord, and he rules over the nations.
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- Please keep that in mind as you see
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- The chess pieces moving on the board.
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- God is in control.
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- He is sovereign no matter what happens.
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- Hey, speaking of which, tomorrow we're in washington, d.c.,
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- The nation's capital
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- For a great israel all star panel
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- You won't want to miss until then.
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- God bless you and we'll see you soon.
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