From wars and rumors of war abroad, to the rise of anti-Christian, "woke" ideology here at home, it’s clear that Americans are living in perilous and unprecedented times. Some would even say that we’re witnessing biblical prophecy unfold in real time. Stakelbeck Tonight will make sense of these stunning developments through a bold and biblical lens.
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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: November 24, 2025 | Stakelbeck Tonight | November 24, 2025
- Welcome to stakelbeck tonight.
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- I'm erick stakelbeck.
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- And it was a moment in history that changed everything.
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- A bold young rabbi named jesus from a seemingly
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- Insignificant place, teaching truth
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- That was literally god breathed and performing
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- Stunning miracles.
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- All of this unfolded before the eyes of ancient israel.
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- So what did they understand about what they were witnessing?
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- And why should we have a deeper understanding
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- Of the jewish roots of our christian faith?
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- Here to share more is our good friend, rabbi jason sobel.
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- He's founder of fusion global.
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- Host of god's appointed times right here on tbn
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- And a new york times bestselling author many times over.
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- His latest is transformed by the messiah.
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- How old and new testament jesus connections
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- Reveal god's intentional story for your life.
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- Rabbi jason, always great to see you in my friend.
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- Congrats on the book.
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- It is excellent.
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- Hey, we were talking before we started.
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- The book is split into three sections.
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- The first section, rabbi, would be the birth of jesus.
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- What is the significance? this is really simple.
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- What is the significance
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- Of jesus being born in the little town of bethlehem?
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- It was little back then, at least.
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- And how does that connect to old testament prophecies?
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- Yeah, that's a great question.
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- It's always a pleasure and a joy to be with you.
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- I mean,
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- One of the things that i love is that god is so intentional
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- And way he keeps his promises.
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- And so we know bethlehem is very significant.
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- It's the place where ruth and boaz were met and married.
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- It's the place where king david was born.
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- So it's the city of david.
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- Messiah was going to be a descendant of david.
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- But the most important prophecy, where it says in the book of
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- Micah, you bethlehem ephrathah, too small
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- To be among the clans of judah, one will go forth from you
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- To be a ruler for me in israel.
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- And so we know that according to prophecy,
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- Messiah had to be born in the town of bethlehem.
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- Yeah.
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- And and this is just
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- One of many connections between old and new testament.
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- It's seamless, rabbi, that you unpack in the book
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- And the genealogy of jesus.
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- You also dig into.
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- And again, we're taking back old testament from the new.
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- Talk about the significance of the genealogy of jesus.
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- Yeah.
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- But just before we get into that,
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- Another point on bethlehem is think about it.
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- Bethlehem is home.
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- It means house of bread.
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- So. and jesus is the bread of life.
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- So the bread of life is born in the city.
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- That means house of bread.
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- And that's so significant
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- Because he is the fulfillment of several types in the bible.
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- So yeah, think about it for a moment.
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- In the garden of eden, before the fall,
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- Man did not have to work for his bread.
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- Actually, the rabbis
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- Say god provided bread from heaven for adam.
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- So jesus, being the bread of life, born in bethlehem,
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- Is beginning to restore what was lost at the fall.
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- But of course, there's more.
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- We also know he's the greater than moses.
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- Moses gave the people money in the wilderness.
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- He gave that great provision.
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- But jesus is the bread that comes down
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- From heaven, and he's born in the house of bread.
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- He is the greater than moses.
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- That's why he multiplies the bread and the fish,
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- Because ultimately
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- He is the great provider for our lives, whatever we need.
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- But one other really cool
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- Thing is bethlehem has a numerical value.
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- So as we've talked about before and you.
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- Love numerical values, it is fascinating.
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- It's amazing. break it down for us.
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- I love these. yeah, yeah.
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- So hebrew is alphanumeric.
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- That means there's no roman numerals.
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- In the old testament.
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- You write numbers with hebrew letters.
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- And so every word has a numerical value.
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- The numerical value of bethlehem is 490.
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- Why is that significant?
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- Because peter
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- Comes to jesus and says, how many times do i have to forgive?
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- Up to seven times.
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- And jesus is like, no, 70 times seven, 490.
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- It connects to jesus being born in bethlehem.
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- 490 because bread and forgiveness is connected.
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- Jesus says, give us this day
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- Our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses.
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- Also at the last supper he broke the bread and says,
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- This is my body broken for you for forgiveness.
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- But of course, there's more to be perfect or complete.
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- In hebrew, tom equals 490.
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- So 490 equals complete forgiveness.
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- Jesus was born in hebrew for 90, in bethlehem for 90.
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- Okay.
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- The perfect, complete passover lamb for 90
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- To bring us complete forgiveness 490.
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- And if we don't learn how to forgive
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- And our faith is incomplete, it is not perfect.
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- So there's all these deep connections to 490 i love.
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- And folks, the book is called transformed by the messiah.
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- You'll find it all right here in jason's great brand new book.
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- Hey, when we talk about the genealogy
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- And you break down a bit in the book, but yeah,
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- Interesting to me always that ruth,
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- You mentioned boaz and ruth obviously met in bethlehem.
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- Ruth was a moabite.
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- Moabite?
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- Is any significance to that a gentile?
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- So there is some gentile blood in jesus's line?
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- Yeah. very significant.
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- When we look at the genealogy of jesus, there's actually four
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- Women from the old testament that are in the genealogy.
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- And one thing they all have in common,
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- They're all gentile women.
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- Because what it tells us, it takes jew and gentile
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- Together to birth the line of the messiah.
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- And in the same way, it's going to take jew
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- And gentile partnering together to bring the kingdom
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- Of god on earth as it is in heaven. love it.
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- And this is a passion for you.
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- Rabbi jason looked at to bring jew
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- And gentile together for such a time as this.
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- That's one of the reasons you wrote the book.
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- We're gonna break it down more, folks.
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- After the break transformed by the messiah.
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- How old and new testament
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- Jesus connections revealed god's intentional story
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- For your life. so what about that?
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- How does this relate to
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- You more with rabbi jason sobel after the break.
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- Don't move.
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- Don't move.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight
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- We're talking to our good friend, rabbi jason sobel,
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- Author of the blockbuster new book transformed by the messiah.
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- Rabbi, we're talking
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- Before the break about jew and gentile, your passion
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- To bring the two together for such a time as this.
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- Is there a connection?
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- People might be saying, really?
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- Wow, i never thought about that deeply.
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- A connection to what happened in the shepherds field
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- In bethlehem when the angels heralded the birth of jesus.
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- Yeah, there actually is.
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- And i want to make this connection.
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- But think about this for a moment.
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- The angels appear to the shepherds and they say
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- The messiah has been born in bethlehem.
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- And here's the sign.
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- It's going to be a baby wrapped in swaddling
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- Cloths, lying in the manger.
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- So the question is, of all the signs angels could have given.
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- Why is this such a sign?
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- Yeah, right.
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- It seems like could have given a better sign
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- Than a baby in a manger wrapped in swaddling cloth.
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- But you have to understand, there's a lot of misconceptions
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- About these shepherds.
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- We tend to think they're these kind of lowly nothing shepherds.
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- They were not ordinary shepherds.
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- They were levitical shepherds.
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- It was in bethlehem that they were raising
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- The passover sacrifices and the animals
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- That would be offered in the temple.
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- Those flocks were in bethlehem.
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- And when it came time to give birth,
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- They bring or in bad weather they bring the sheep
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- From the field into the caves around bethlehem.
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- And that's where the lambs would be born.
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- So these levitical shepherds come.
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- They find jesus in a cave.
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- The same cave, not a one in a manger,
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- But the same cave where the passover lambs would be born.
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- And they see him, i believe, wrapped in swaddled
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- Like one of the passover lambs, so that they wouldn't get,
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- They had to be without spot or blemish.
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- They would wrap them according to some tradition
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- So they wouldn't
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- Become defective
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- Because the caves, there were a lot of jagged rocks.
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- So they see him wrapped like a passover lamb
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- In the place where the passover lamb is born.
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- And they understand
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- This is the lamb of god, who god has sent the messiah.
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- Okay, but of course there is more.
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- The shepherds were jewish shepherds.
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- I mean, we're not even going to get into the whole
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- What type of swaddling garments.
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- And that's more in the book.
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- Yeah, but then you have not only the
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- Shepherds recognizing him, but you have the wise men.
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- Why is it significant to the question
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- You asked the shepherds
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- With the jewish shepherds, the wise men were gentiles.
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- So when the
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- When the wise men came, it's a fulfillment of genesis 49,
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- The scepter shall not depart from judah,
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- Nor the ruler staff from between his feet
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- Until shiloh comes into him will be the obedience
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- Of the nations.
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- Well, the rabbis say shiloh is referring to the messiah,
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- But in hebrew shiloh can mean shiloh,
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- Shai meaning gift, lo meaning to him
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- That the nations will bring gifts to him
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- As a sign of homage and obedience.
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- In fulfillment of genesis 49.
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- In many passages and in the prophets,
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- The wise men come from the nations bearing gifts.
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- We have jews, the shepherds, gentile, the wise men,
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- All coming together, jew and gentile, to worship
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- The king of kings and lord of lords.
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- This is so incredible. i've never thought of this.
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- I didn't know anything about levitical shepherds.
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- Rabbi jason, that's amazing as always.
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- Quick question. just out of curiosity.
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- And people at home might be wondering the same thing.
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- How much research do you do?
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- You're a rabbi. of course you're a man of learning.
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- But man, you dig so deep you're in the word.
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- I'm guessing a whole lot. a lot.
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- It's a lifetime of study.
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- Yeah, and a historian, too. a student of history.
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- Yeah, i and rabbi jason gets on the ground,
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- Which is the most important thing.
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- I think that the eyewitness view on the ground
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- In israel and elsewhere across the lands of the bible
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- In the middle east.
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- Hey, the significance, we're talking about jesus birth,
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- And we're really keying on this because it's so
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- Important for a lot of reasons.
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- The significance of jesus being born
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- To a virgin, the virgin birth, any significance?
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- Yeah. yeah, absolutely.
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- I think jesus has to have a unique birth
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- Because his unique birth points to his unique identity.
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- He wasn't just going to be a human being, he was a virgin
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- Was going to conceive
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- Because he was going to be emmanuel, god with us.
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- Okay, so his unique birth points to his unique identity.
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- But of course there's more because it actually isaiah 714
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- Ties back to the very first messianic prophecy in scripture,
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- Which is genesis 315, where it says,
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- The seed of the woman would crush the head of the serpent,
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- Which is satan.
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- And that's used in the book of revelations
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- And other passages talk about this war
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- Between messiah and the evil one.
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- But think about it for a moment.
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- It's a very unusual phrase in hebrew seed of the woman.
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- Men have seed, women don't have seed.
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- It's the seed of abraham.
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- It's the seed of jacob.
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- It's the seed of david.
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- Women don't carry seed.
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- Men carry seed.
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- Why is it, say, seed of the woman?
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- Because it's alluding to the virgin birth
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- That it was going to be a woman who brings forth
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- The promised messiah apart from a man
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- The virgin birth hinted at in the first messianic prophecy.
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- Genesis 315.
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- These are deep, deep biblical insights, my friend,
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- And this book was a labor of love.
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- I know this is a book
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- That this has been in the works i know for several years.
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- This is kind of a culmination of your work.
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- And by the way, you work's just getting started.
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- And again, the phrase goes without saying, rabbi jason,
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- For such a time as this, i think it's
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- Written with anti-semitism
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- Rising and replacement theology rising in the church.
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- We'll talk about that a bit more after the break
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- With rabbi jason sobel, author of the brand new book
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- Transformed by the messiah.
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- More with our good friend rabbi jason after the break.
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- Don't move.
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- Don't move.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight
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- We're talking to rabbi jason sobel, founder of fusion global,
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- Host of god's appointed times right here on tbn
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- And author of the great new book transformed by the messiah.
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- Folks, you can pick it up at amazon.com
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- Wherever books are sold.
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- Rabbi jason,
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- Before the break,
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- I mentioned this rise
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- In replacement theology, this strain,
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- And it seems to be gaining traction
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- In some quarters of the church
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- That the church has replaced israel, god's
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- Done with israel has no further purpose for the jewish people.
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- With that gaining steam, sadly, right now in the world
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- And anti-semitism
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- Obviously on the rise in alarming ways,
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- Including right here in the west,
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- Does that give you a particular motivation
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- To write a book like this
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- That connects gentile and jew, new and old testaments?
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- Yeah, absolutely.
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- I mean, i think again, it connects
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- Back to the incarnation, jesus being god in human form.
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- Part of the beauty of the incarnation is god ties himself
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- To the fate of humanity by taking on human form forever.
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- He's now 100% god and 100% human.
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- But of course there's more.
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- He not only takes on generic,
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- He doesn't take on generic human form.
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- He comes as the son of david.
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- He comes as the king of the jews.
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- So by coming as a jew, by being the king of the jews,
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- Jesus inextricably binds his life and his fate
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- To the fate of the jewish people.
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- It's an intensification
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- Of god's commitment and covenant with the jewish people,
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- Not a lessening or a replacement of it.
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- You can't say you love the king of the jews
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- And hate the literal family of which jesus descends from.
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- That's like saying, erick, i love you,
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- But i don't like your wife and kids.
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- We're not going to have a very good relationship
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- If that's my perspective. right?
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- Yeah. so true. so well said rabbi jason.
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- So sad that it's necessary, but very necessary in the times
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- We're living in right now. yeah.
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- And if god doesn't keep his promises to israel,
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- There's no way to be certain that god is going
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- To keep his promises to you, to the church.
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- Either he's a promise keeper
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- And a covenant keeper, or he's not.
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- Yeah, if he replace israel,
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- Why can't he replace you when you mess up? no doubt.
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- And these are eternal covenants, unconditional.
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- Two absolute people forget that it seems.
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- Hey, the triumphal entry into jerusalem.
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- It's known as palm sunday among many.
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- But that entry into jerusalem, jesus humbly riding on a donkey.
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- Greater meaning to that.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- And one of the reasons why i wrote this book was
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- Because i believe the life of yeshua, the life of jesus,
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- Is meant to provide a model of transformation for our lives.
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- He shows us how we can experience the transformation
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- Which he purchased through his life, death, and resurrection.
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- And so we get a glimpse of that in the triumphal entry
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- Into jerusalem.
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- Because in this book, one of the things we do is
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- We show things from the hebrew that sometimes people miss.
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- So the word for donkey in hebrew is the word come more.
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- What's interesting about that?
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- It comes from the
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- Hebrew word homer, from the word for the physical world
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- Or matter can be can be.
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- That hebrew word can be used for matter.
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- So the donkey represents the physical world.
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- It represents earth.
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- Jesus is divine.
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- He represents heaven.
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- So jesus riding the donkey is harnessing
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- Everything in the physical for the sake of the spiritual,
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- For the sake of the kingdom of god.
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- And this goes back as part of the messianic promise
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- Of the messianic process.
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- Abraham used the donkey to take isaac to mount moriah.
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- Moses put his family on a donkey and then ultimately
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- Jesus comes riding on the donkey into jerusalem.
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- And so i think this begs the question, right?
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- We know in heaven the streets are paved with gold.
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- Is it that jesus and god is the ultimate hip hop artist?
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- He's just icing out heaven.
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- Know that which people will rob, kill, and destroy,
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- For here is only pavement and heaven.
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- It's a reversal of the values of this world.
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- Yes, jesus riding
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- The donkey is reversing the values of this world
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- Is putting the kingdom first and the physical things second.
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- And then this is the question that we have to ask ourselves.
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- Are we
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- Riding the donkey, or is the donkey riding us?
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- If we're slave to the physical world, guess what?
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- Yeah, don't be the donkey.
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- Put the kingdom first.
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- Seek the kingdom first ages.
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- Old question. rabbi jason.
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- Hey, we've gone through the birth of jesus.
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- You also dig into the baptism of jesus,
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- The last supper, obviously, the triumphal entry, palm sunday.
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- But the death, the resurrection, crucifixion, resurrection.
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- Every easter, we say, well, we commemorate this,
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- But it's so much deeper than even
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- We know, and we know a lot about it.
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- But you unpack deeper insights into both the crucifixion
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- And the resurrection in the book. tell us more about it.
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- Yeah.
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- I mean, people a lot of times don't even ask the question,
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- Why did jesus died on the cross?
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- The symbol of christianity?
- 00:17:55.488 --> 00:17:57.423
- Well, how did sin into the world
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- The first man and woman took from the tree?
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- So what does god do?
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- He puts his son back on the cross.
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- The tree for you and me.
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- Our hands took from the tree.
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- His hands were pierced, right?
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- The first messianic prophecy.
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- The seed of the woman would crush the head.
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- The serpent, jesus's feet are now to a tree.
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- Satan's mocking the promises.
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- You think you're going to defeat me?
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- Let's see what you're going to do now.
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- He was actually fulfilling
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- The plan of god without realizing it.
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- Crown of thorns on his head.
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- Curse of creation.
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- The ground would produce thorns and thistles.
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- He's taken the curse of creation on his head to reverse it
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- And to restore the blessing.
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- There's so much more
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- That we get into in the book, but that's a little taste of
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- The crucifixion. yeah. so amazing.
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- And the resurrection, of course,
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- Which is what it's all about at the end of the day.
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- You dig into that as well?
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- Yeah, absolutely.
- 00:18:47.273 --> 00:18:48.508
- So one of the things is he's buried in the garden tomb.
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- Every detail is relevant and matters.
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- Why a garden tomb?
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- Because sin began in the garden.
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- So it all has to end in the
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- Garden, reversed in the garden because it began in the garden.
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- But there's a paradox in the hebrew a garden tomb.
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- The word for tomb in hebrew is clever.
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- Clever means tomb.
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- Its symbolize symbolizes the end, loss, death.
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- But in hebrew the same word for tomb,
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- Cavern can also mean womb.
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- How can the word for tomb and the word for womb
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- Be the exact same word?
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- What's the connection?
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- They're both doorways.
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- The grave is a doorway from this world to the next.
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- Okay.
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- The womb is a doorway from the world into this world.
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- Right. and so what's the connection?
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- The womb in the tomb.
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- The tomb is a place of loss.
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- But here's the point.
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- Jesus is in the business of transforming our tombs
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- Into a womb.
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- The very thing that the enemy thought
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- And the religious leaders thought was going to be
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- The end of jesus was going to be the very thing
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- God used to birth him
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- Into resurrection life, to overcome our sin and the grave,
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- And what god did for jesus.
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- He can turn our end into a very new beginning for us.
- 00:20:14.594 --> 00:20:19.165
- And there's one more thing.
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- It ends like it began.
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- Jesus was born in a cave.
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- He's buried in a cave.
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- Jesus was wrapped in swaddling cloth.
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- He's wrapped in grave clothes.
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- Okay.
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- And those empty grave clothes were like the high priest
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- Who changed his clothes on yom kippur.
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- On the day of atonement, took off the ordinary vestments
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- To put on the high priestly vestments
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- To go into the holy of holies.
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- Jesus leaving his earthly ministry, symbolizing the shroud
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- He was wrapped in to enter into his new heavenly ministry.
- 00:20:51.898 --> 00:20:55.935
- The end, in the beginning are all connected.
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- Yeah. rabbi jason, amazing folks.
- 00:20:58.738 --> 00:21:00.740
- The book is called transformed by the messiah.
- 00:21:00.740 --> 00:21:03.009
- Again,
- 00:21:03.009 --> 00:21:03.810
- We are just scratching the surface
- 00:21:03.810 --> 00:21:05.445
- And you unpacked a lot and i'm fascinated.
- 00:21:05.445 --> 00:21:07.847
- I want more, i want a full hour with you.
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- We'll do that again soon.
- 00:21:09.849 --> 00:21:10.817
- But folks,
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- Final thoughts after the break with rabbi
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- Jason sobel and a closing prayer you won't want to miss,
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- Stick around.
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- Stick around.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight, we're wrapping up
- 00:21:22.464 --> 00:21:24.199
- With our good friend, rabbi jason sobel.
- 00:21:24.199 --> 00:21:26.067
- Folks, the book is called transformed by the messiah.
- 00:21:26.067 --> 00:21:29.337
- How old and new testament jesus connections reveal
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- God's intentional story for your life.
- 00:21:32.474 --> 00:21:35.577
- And, rabbi jason, in your life,
- 00:21:35.577 --> 00:21:37.445
- You've been at the forefront
- 00:21:37.445 --> 00:21:38.813
- Of this coming together over the past
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- Few decades between gentile and jewish believers.
- 00:21:40.582 --> 00:21:43.752
- To me, it's been a revolution. i don't say that word lightly.
- 00:21:43.752 --> 00:21:46.121
- How have you seen it being in the mix of it
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- Being at the forefront of it, forefront of it,
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- You see the fruits starting to bear out.
- 00:21:50.125 --> 00:21:52.394
- Yeah, absolutely.
- 00:21:52.394 --> 00:21:53.428
- Like we talk about in the book, i think there is
- 00:21:53.428 --> 00:21:55.397
- This biblical principle
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- That the end is going to be like the beginning.
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- And we look at the beginning of the book of acts.
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- It was jerusalem at antioch.
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- It was jew and gentile uniting
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- To bring the gospel to the world.
- 00:22:06.074 --> 00:22:07.542
- And i believe god is fulfilling jesus.
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- John 17 prayer of unity of jew and gentile in preparation
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- To bring a great revival before his return.
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- Amen.
- 00:22:16.785 --> 00:22:17.986
- Prophetic times, bible times, a great time to be alive.
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- Rabbi jason, can you take us out in prayer?
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- Yeah.
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- Athena sebastian, our father in heaven.
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- We just pray that you are. melek was there a message?
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- Whom again? you are our king.
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- You are our helper and you are our shield.
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- I pray that in these seasons,
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- This the very thing
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- That the world
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- And the enemy
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- Means to be our tomb, you are going to transform it
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- Into our womb.
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- The very thing that is going to try
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- And take us out and kill us is the very thing
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- That you are going to use to birth us into our promise.
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- You are going to birth us into our destiny.
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- The same spirit that raised yeshua from the dead lives in
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- Us. therefore, just as he rose, we can rise above.
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- Just as he broke through, we can break through.
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- So we ask these things in the name above all names,
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- In the name of yeshua mashiach, jesus our messiah.
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- Amen. amen.
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- Rabbi jason, thank you so much.
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- Excellent. my friend transformed by the messiah.
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- Rabbi jason. we'll see again soon again.
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- Amazon.com wherever books are sold.
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- Until next time, god bless you and we'll see you soon.
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