Stakelbeck Tonight

Erick Stakelbeck: September 2, 2025 | Stakelbeck Tonight

September 2, 2025 | S25 E902 | 25:5

From wars and rumors of war abroad, to the rise of anti-Christian, "woke" ideology here at home, it’s clear that Americans are living in perilous and unprecedented times. Some would even say that we’re witnessing biblical prophecy unfold in real time. Stakelbeck Tonight will make sense of these stunning developments through a bold and biblical lens.

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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: September 2, 2025 | Stakelbeck Tonight | September 2, 2025

Within each of us.
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I think every day we have these battles.
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Are we going to be a lion? are we going to rise up?
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Are we going to be a scavenger? are we going to tear down?
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The predicate for everything
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For the lions is the idea that we live
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In an ordered universe in which your action actually matters.
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That's a faith based proposition.
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And then, on the other hand, you have the scavengers.
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Who are mainly driven by resentment and envy.
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There's a great conspiracy designed to harm them.
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It seems to me we have two churchillian figures right now.
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A pair of lions.
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I think they are certainly holding back
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The flood tides that the scavengers
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Are posing against the civilizations.
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Israel, because it's on the front line,
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Because it's in the worst area of the world,
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That means that their 18 year olds have to be lions.
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They don't really have a choice in the matter.
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And so this isn█t
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A sort of broad call to change our politics.
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It's a broad call to find that which is best and strongest
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In ourselves, revivify that and then act in the world on it.
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America
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Is at a crossroads, and the choice is very simple.
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We can either rise like lions or fall like scavengers.
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In his brand new book, lions and scavengers,
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Ben shapiro takes a hard look at the cultural, political
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And spiritual battle shaking our nation and the west
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And calls us to courage, virtue and truth.
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Ben, of course,
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Is host of the ben shapiro show and co-founder
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Of the daily wire, and he joins us now.
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Ben, great to see you.
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First of all, congrats on the book.
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Secondly, dig into this a bit for us lions and scavengers.
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Ben, i think it applies to individuals, nations,
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Civilizations.
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What are the traits of the lion and the scavenger,
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And why is that so relevant to america today?
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So as you say, i think that the lion in the scavenger
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Is not just a division between human beings.
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It's also a division that exists in all of us. right?
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We have
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The temptation to be a scavenger, meaning somebody
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Who wants to tear down institutions.
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Somebody who believes that all the problems in in his
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Or her own life,
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That all those problems are actually the fault
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Of somebody else,
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And therefore you're going to tear down
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All of the systems around
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You and blame those systems for your own failures.
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The lion is somebody who takes responsibility for his problems.
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Who believes that there is a god ordered universe
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That we live within,
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And that our duties in that universe are worthwhile,
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And that when we fulfill those duties,
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The world becomes a better and a stronger place.
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Lions are builder.
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Scavengers are those who tear down, but
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Within each of us,
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I think every day we have this battle,
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Something goes wrong in our life.
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Are we going to be a lion? are we going to rise up?
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Are we going to be a scavenger? are we going to tear down?
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And that battle is taking place again,
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Not just individually, but also civilization,
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Where you see huge agglomerations of people
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Who are dedicated to the proposition
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That the major institutions
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Of our society have to be completely wrecked.
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And people who believe that those institutions
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Need to be rebuilt, strengthened,
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That the social fabric that we all live
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Within has to be woven stronger.
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You know, again,
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I think that
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All of those characteristics
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Can be found everywhere from foreign to domestic policy
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And then all the way down to the individual level.
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Ben it's so true.
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And you write that america is a nation of lions
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Founded by lions, men of great strength.
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Great grit. talk more about that.
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How we were founded and still are a nation of lions.
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But how, again,
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The scavengers are trying to tear away the very fabric
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Of not only the foundation of this nation,
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But judeo-christian western civilization?
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Exactly.
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So i think that when you look at the foundation of the country,
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I'd say that a pride of lions, a group of lions, is made up
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Of hunters, weavers and warriors.
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When you're talking about hunters, you're
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Talking about people who innovate, people
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Who go out into the wilderness,
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People who cross oceans to come to an unsettled continent
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And then proceed to carve an enormous
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And successful civilization out of that continent.
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Today,
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Those would be people
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Who innovate, people who build businesses,
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People who develop new products and services.
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And then you have weaver's people, who are dedicated
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To building the social fabric, people
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Who are bringing people to church, people
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Who are involving people in community
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That the mothers and fathers who build families together
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And then build communities around those families.
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Those are the weavers.
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And then you have the warriors where the people who, of course,
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Have to defend all of this.
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You're talking here soldiers, police officers,
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Individuals who have to defend
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Against the predations of people who tear all of that down.
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And in order for lions who are by nature
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Dutiful and ambition
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Ambitious to live together,
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You have to have a system of rules and roles.
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And that's what we created in the united states in a unique
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Way, through the constitution of the united states,
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Counterbalancing interest against interests.
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And then, on the other hand, you have the scavengers,
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Where mainly driven by resentment and envy.
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They're driven by the idea
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That they have been wronged by society.
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There's a great conspiracy designed to harm them,
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And that all the
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Systems of society are oriented against their success.
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And those people want to tear down all of those systems.
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They don't believe in private property
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Because private property is biased against them.
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They don't believe in free speech
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Because free speech
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Violates their feelings of internal identity.
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They don't believe in the equal rule of the law,
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Because equal rule of law suggests
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That everybody is sort of on equal footing before god.
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And so when you get rid
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Of all those things, what you end up with
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Is an agglomeration of what i call in the book
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Looters, lechers and barbarians.
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People who really want to tear down
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The civilization for a variety of reasons,
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But come together to tear it down.
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Barbarians are people who are just generally outside
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The realm of the civilization, and who have decided
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That western civilization is exploitative.
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Bad needs to be destroyed.
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Root and branch.
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Indicative of this philosophy would be something like frantz
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Fanon wrote the wretched of the earth,
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Who believed that the west was responsible
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For basically the failures of every other civilization.
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Then you have the looters.
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These would be people
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Who believe that the institutions of society
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Are geared toward the successful because they've been rigged,
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Not because people succeed on their own
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Individual initiative, not because property rights
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Allow you to keep the fruits of your labor,
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But because what we really need is an overarching,
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Heavy hand to take from some.
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And give to others.
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These are the looters.
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Marxists obviously fall into this category.
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And then you have lachers, people who believe
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That they have been alienated
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By traditional judeo-christian values, biblical values,
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And they've been alienated by those
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That they exist sort of in the, in the sexual hinterlands,
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And that they need to be recentered.
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The only way to do that is to tear down
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Things like church and family.
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And this is why, when you watch many of the marches
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That have been taking place across the west
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Under a variety of flags, ranging from the blm
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Marches to the pro-hamas marches that we've seen,
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What you see is the same groups of people
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All marching together under the different banners,
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But the only thing that brings them
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Together is general opposition to the rules of the road
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To the civilization itself, to the institutions
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That make our civilization positive in great bend.
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Such a great breakdown all around.
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And you open the book, by the way, in london,
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Which has been the scene really personified,
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The scavenger-dom,
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If that's a word that we've seen
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Take root in the western world, this unholy alliance, radical
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Left, radical islamist marching together about a minute left.
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Can you talk a bit
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More about how these pro hamas mobs really crystallized
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Everything you're talking about?
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I mean, it's pretty astonishing that you go to london,
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Which is the birth, of course, of sort of
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The anglo-american heritage that led to america.
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And what you end up with
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Is a gigantic march in the center of london.
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Hundreds of thousands of people who are barbarians.
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On the one hand, people not from western civilization
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Who believe the civilization is bad,
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Marxists who are marching alongside them,
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Who believe
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The civilization is bad
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And then
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People like queers for palestine,
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Which is inherently self-contradictory
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Because there are no queers in palestine.
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They get thrown off buildings,
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And yet they're marching alongside. why?
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Because what
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They really fundamentally agree on
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Is that our civilization is the problem.
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Our civilization is bad.
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And they will even march
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In solidarity with open, evil, genocidal terrorist groups.
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If that means fighting our civilization.
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It's a world turned upside down.
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But thank god we have the one and only ben shapiro.
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Keeping the pulse, keeping his finger on the pulse
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Of what's happening.
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The book is called lions and scavengers
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The true story of america and her critics.
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Folks, you can pick it up right now at amazon.com.
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Wherever books are sold is a blockbuster.
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Must read after the break. more with ben shapiro.
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We have a pair of lions right now, i'd say in washington, d.c.
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And jerusalem.
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We're going to talk about
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How they are impacting the world stage
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And holding back the scavengers. that's next.
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Don't move.
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Don't move.
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Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight.
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He is host of the number one conservative podcast in america,
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The ben shapiro show.
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And folks,
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That is for good reason because ben
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Shapiro tells it like it is.
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He does exactly that
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In his brand new blockbuster, lions and scavengers
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The true story of america and her critics.
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You can pick up right now at the dailywire.com
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Ben, i see benjamin netanyahu and donald trump
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In this historic partnership they have forged.
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It seems to me
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We have two churchillian figures right now, a pair of lions.
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Can you talk about how, in essence, really they may
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Be saving western civilization,
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Especially with the destruction of iran's nuclear facilities?
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In america, obviously,
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You have the president who's standing up to,
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I think, both conspiracy
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Theorists on the right, but also more broadly
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To scavengers on the left
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Who are seeking to tear down basic american ideas
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And the meaning of america itself.
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The idea that the constitution is good,
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The declaration of independence
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Is good, that private property is good,
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That the basic promise of america of upward mobility
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And freedom,
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And being able to keep what you earn
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And give it to your family,
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That all these things are good for president
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Trump, is a reversion to an american type
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That seems to have been abandoned
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For for quite a while,
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And i think that he's stood in the breach.
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I think the reason he's popular is because,
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Oddly enough, he is extremely mainstream.
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For all the people
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Who who claimed for years and years and years
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That he was out of the box and crazy.
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The truth is that he is
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Much more, quote unquote, moderate
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And many of the other people in american public life
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Specifically because at root, he does believe
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That action in the world matters.
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And that you have to actually achieve success
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In a free country based on your own initiative.
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And he sees himself in that way, and he sees that, that
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Abroad as well.
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I mean, he looks at the world
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As a is a place where various powers are competing.
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He is not,
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I think, romantic about the way that the world works.
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I think that he looks at the international scene.
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He says, listen,
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Having the biggest stick is the most important thing,
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And being willing to wield it is really important
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When you're talking about people who hate your civilization.
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Obviously, he showed that in iran
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With a single b-2 sortie,
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He took out
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The iranian nuclear program in their in their most protected
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Nuclear site.
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And that's a unique move that only president trump would make.
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And that's why he's such a historic figure.
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Obviously, when you look at israel,
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You have prime minister netanyahu, who's
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Been standing in the breach despite an enormous number
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Of errors, both domestic and foreign,
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Standing up not just to hamas, but to hezbollah in lebanon,
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Standing up to iran, going up against the who, these in yemen.
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Now you have a civilization there.
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It really isn't just netanyahu there.
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You have a civilization
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Of a bunch of 18 year old kids who are being essentially
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Put on the front lines of a war they did not sign up for.
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I mean,
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They're drafted into the army and then are taking up
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That mantle in order to fight true emissaries of evil.
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When you're talking about hamas or hezbollah
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Or the iranian government,
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You are talking about truly evil regimes.
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I mean, in every way that you can possibly
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Imagine, people who take captives, people
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Who rape, people who who kill small children on purpose
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Not as collateral damage,
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But as an actual end goal of their war,
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Who are tyrants in every way.
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It's possible to be a tyrant,
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And you have young 18 year olds who are picking up guns,
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Volunteering for duty, and going
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And doing the things that need to be done in the night.
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And there are forces in the world that are there
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Lions, you know, in the west, i think because we have been
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Sort of
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Exonerated from history
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Because we've sort of been exempted from history, rather
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The idea that that we're very peaceful, we're very free.
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We don't have a lot of threats on our borders.
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We don't have to face up to the external scavengers
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As much as we do the internal scavengers.
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President trump has a different battle
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Domestically than
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Than prime minister netanyahu has externally.
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But i think the forces are allied.
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Yeah.
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It's been said that
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This is israel's greatest generation right
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Now, ben, these young men and women in the idf
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Fighting for israel's very survival.
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Let's stay on that for a minute.
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I think israel is the ultimate nation of lions in many ways.
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It's been said that israel's
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The canary in the coal mine, of course.
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But israel, to me is really the first line
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Of defense for western civilization.
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If israel goes down, we all go down.
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Can you talk about how,
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Especially since october 7th,
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And you write about this in the book,
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Israel's really become a dividing line of sorts
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For nations, for individuals?
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We see many on the right now
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Becoming viciously, i would say, anti-semitic.
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Can you talk more about that, how israel has really become
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A dividing line of sorts between lions and scavengers
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Of all stripes?
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Yeah.
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I mean, listen, i think
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That america is a nation of lions when called upon to be.
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So we're lucky we haven't really been called
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Upon to be so particularly often since the end of the cold war.
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Israel, because it's on the front lines,
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Because it's in the worst area of the world.
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That means that their 18 year olds have to be lions.
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They don't really have a choice in the matter.
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And so,
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You know, i've spent an enormous amount of time
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In israel since october 7th when i'm meeting
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With wounded soldiers.
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You're talking about 21 year old kids who are missing limbs.
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And they're coming up to me asking,
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What more can i do to fight
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For my civilization in fight for our civilization?
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And that that is a mentality that just does not exist
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In a very spoiled west that has been exempted
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From the vicissitudes of history.
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I think that the increase
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In anti-semitism
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That we've seen in much of the anti-israel rhetoric
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That we've seen on both the left
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And the right, has to do with a broader
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Conspiracy theory about society that i talk about at length
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In the book
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That that essentially says that the lack of success that
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You are seeing as a person or that your particular identity
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Group is seeing, it must be the result of some
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Unnamed, unspecified conspiracy that lives in the shadows.
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And so what you have on the left is this theory of identity
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Politics, whereby if a group
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Is particularly successful, they must be the exploiter.
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If a group is unsuccessful, they're the exploited.
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It's very easy to see how that slides
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Into antisemitism, because jews in america
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Are historically overeducated.
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They have good incomes.
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They they tend to be very successful.
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And so they must be the great exploiters.
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You're seeing something
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Kind of similar emerge from the horseshoe.
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Right.
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Where there's a segment to the right
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That believes that white christians predominantly
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Have been victimized in america, which
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There's good evidence the white christians
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Are targeted by, for example, the obama
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Administration and the biden administration.
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And that's not a conspiracy theory. that's just reality.
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The idea
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That there is a coterie of successful, shadowy
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People behind the scenes, however, who are manipulating
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All of these systems of private property and foreign
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Policy to, quote unquote, benefit themselves.
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That is a conspiracy theory that is unrooted in reality
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And is actually a sort of willingness to to mire yourself
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In a view of the world that makes you poorer, stupider,
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Less likely to achieve success.
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And i think there are a lot of commentators
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Who make bank off of that.
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Frankly, i think there are a lot of people out there
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Who who are willing to say that sort of thing
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Because it gives them
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Extraordinary power over their audiences.
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And the innovation of their audience is the goal.
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Is not that not making people,
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You know, more likely to to engage in dutiful behavior,
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The kinds of behavior that builds a society?
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Yeah. ben, we're so glad you're calling them out.
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Number one.
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And number two, after the break, folks,
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We're going to break down the faith factor in all of this.
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What happens
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When a civilization, a nation, abandons biblical values?
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We'll break that down to one and only ben shapiro next,
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Stick around.
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Stick around.
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Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight,
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We're talking about the future of judeo-christian western
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Civilization with ben shapiro, co-founder of the daily
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Wire, number one new york times bestselling author, his latest,
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Lions and scavengers the true story of america
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And her critics, folks. it is a blockbuster.
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You can pick it up right now at dailywire.com
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Ben, what factor does an abandonment
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Of biblical values look? really?
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Western civilization began in jerusalem,
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And even before that began with the ten
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Commandments on mount sinai.
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But when a society of
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Civilization, especially western civilization, abandons that,
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What are the consequences?
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And how does that kind of hasten the descent
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Into scavenger status?
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So the predicate for everything
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For the lions is the idea that we live
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In an ordered universe and intelligible universe
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In which your action actually matters.
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That's a faith based proposition.
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You cannot make the argument
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Just based on science alone,
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That the world is an ordered place with actual moral rules.
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There is.
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There's no way for it not to revert into
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Some form of moral relativism.
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And so what the lions believe,
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Whether they are able to articulate it or not,
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Is that there is a good and a bad in situations
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In life that we are called upon by higher duty, by a moral,
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Faith based duty
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To actually do the right things in life,
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And that when you do the right thing,
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Success tends to attend to you as a civilization.
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And this is one of the main points of the bible.
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It's kind of fascinating.
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When you read the old testament, what you see is that god, over
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And over and over says in the old testament,
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If you do x, y will happen.
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If you perform well, you'll get all the blessings.
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If you perform poorly,
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Then you will get all the curses.
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That's not because god
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Is standing there with a giant hammer.
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That's because the world that god constructed
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Actually makes sense according to god's rules.
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And when you obey god's rules,
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You are likely to do better as a civilization
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And yes, likely to do better as an individual.
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Not true for every single individual,
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But true broadly speaking, and true spiritually.
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That is the basis for any civilization
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Because if you don't believe
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That the universe is an ordered place
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Where solid, good, motivated action ends
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Well for you and your civilization,
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Then you get the opposite,
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Which is the idea that the universe is a chaotic place
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Where the only thing that
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Matters in the end is power, and who wields it.
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There is no actual real morality,
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There's just a matter
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Of who grabs the gun and points
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At somebody else, which is the ethos of the scavengers.
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When you abandon the fundamental
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Faith basis of our civilization, when you don't go to church,
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When you don't read the bible, when you don't send your kids
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To these places and inculcate those values into your kids,
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What you end up with
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Is a bunch of scavengers
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Where the children of lions,
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People who might have gone to church,
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Didn't actually teach these values to their kids
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Because they want to be broad minded
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Or let their kid find their own way.
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And now your kids end up
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Being the scavengers, tearing down
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The very institutions that make the civilization
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Capable of thriving and standing for the future.
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Yeah,
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But when i look at the lack of leadership
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In the western world outside of washington,
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D.c., right now, of course i think of anthony albanys
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In australia, mark carney in canada, keir
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Starmer in the u.k., emmanuel macron in france.
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And it's weak, it's woke, it's craven.
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But you do such great work, the daily wire with generation
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Z, you spent a lot of time speaking at universities,
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And there are polls and studies showing that faith is growing
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Among that generation, among young people in america.
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Are you encouraged by some of the trends
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We see right now in generation z?
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Could we be raising up, as they are in israel right now?
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Of course,
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Perhaps a generation of lions once again here in america?
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That's definitely the hope.
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I think that there is a
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There's a need in the human heart for god.
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I think that we've tried to fill that hole in the human heart
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With a bunch of other things
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Over the course of the last several decades,
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Ranging from competitions over power to political hatreds
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For one another.
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And people are realizing that that's empty,
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And they're going back to the source of all things.
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They're going back to god.
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They're going back to biblical foundations.
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I'm hopeful that that's not just a reactionary move
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That actually means something spiritually
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To people that actually engage with the values of the bible,
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Because that lies at the root of course, of our civilization,
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At the at the root of our country.
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And if they do that, then yes, i do think that
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We won't just raise a generation of lions.
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I'm hopeful
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That that our civilization will continue to be the lion
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Among all the scavengers of the world. ben. well said.
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And folks, a few things, a few quick reminders.
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Number one, be sure, of course, to follow
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Ben on x and across social media.
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Subscribe to his youtube channel,
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Conservative podcast in america, and pick up lions
00:19:41.767 --> 00:19:44.637
And scavengers right now dailywire.com
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Ben, are you optimistic?
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When we look out of the horizon here in america in particular,
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Which is the beacon of hope
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And light in the western world right now,
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Trends that you're seeing, we just talked about gen z.
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Of course,
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Sense of optimism.
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I mean, president trump,
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Obviously, it's a new day in america.
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But look, we've got this short
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Window, it seems four years at least.
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And it seems like we cannot squander this.
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How do you see the next few years perhaps playing out.
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And are you optimistic that we're on maybe an upward trend?
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You know, i think cautiously optimistic is
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Probably the best way to put it.
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I think that
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We made the right decision with regard to president trump.
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I think that you're seeing other lions rise
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Up, ranging from israelis who argentina were javier
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Milei is doing an amazing job.
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You're starting to see some, some actual reversion to sanity
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In other countries of the world.
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I'm hopeful we see more of that.
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But as my friend dennis prager is fond of saying,
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It doesn't really matter in the end
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Whether we're optimists or whether we're pessimists,
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Because it's god's plan that gets unfolded anyway.
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So the only thing that you can do in
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Any case is your duty.
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And if we do our duty, then god's promise
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Is that it ends up better, no doubt.
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And you actually unpack argentina in the book.
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It's really a fascinating trajectory, ben,
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That they've been on final thoughts about a minute left,
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Final takeaways from lions and scavengers that you want
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Everyone to know about. why they should pick up the book.
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I think the biggest takeaway is that in the end,
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This entire battle between lions and scavengers
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Isn't a battle external to any of us as individuals.
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It's something that we again have to look into our own hearts
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Every morning
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And decide whether to be a lion or whether to be a scavenger,
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Whether we want to be
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A family of lions, pride of lions, a nation of lions.
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And that's something that can start every single morning
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With every single decision that we make.
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And so this isn't just a sort of broad call
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To change our politics.
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It's a broad call to to find that which is best and strongest
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In ourselves.
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Revivify that and then act in the world on it.
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The great ben shapiro.
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Ben. incredible as always. congrats on the book my friend.
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Keep up the great work folks.
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Again, lions and scavengers the true story of america
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And her critics. ben god bless.
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Thanks again.
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We'll see you again soon.
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And coming up,
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My final thoughts on, you guessed it, saving the west.
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That's next. don't move.
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That's next. don't move.
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Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight, folks.
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What a joy to have ben shapiro with us.
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One of the most brilliant minds in the conservative world today
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And a foremost defender of judeo-christian
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Western civilization.
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I love his breakdown of the lions and the scavengers.
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It fits again,
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Not only for individuals, but for nations, for civilizations.
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I think of the book of proverbs, chapter 28, verse one.
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The wicked flee, though no one pursues,
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But the righteous are as bold as a lion.
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Look as americans right now, certainly as christians, folks,
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We need to be exactly that bold as lions
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To defend our families,
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Our faith, our freedom, and our civilization.
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Ben's book is one for such a time as this.
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Speaking of which, our good friend steve deace
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From the blaze tv is with us tomorrow.
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Defender of western values and western civilization.
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Erick Stakelbeck: September 2, 2025 | Stakelbeck Tonight

September 2, 2025 | S25 E902 | 25:5

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