Erick Stakelbeck: Together in Prayer for Texas | Stakelbeck Tonight

July 21, 2025 | 25:5

From wars and rumors of war abroad, to the rise of anti-Christian, "woke" ideology here at home, it’s clear that Americans are living in perilous and unprecedented times. Some would even say that we’re witnessing biblical prophecy unfold in real time. Stakelbeck Tonight will make sense of these stunning developments through a bold and biblical lens.

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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: Together in Prayer for Texas | Stakelbeck Tonight | July 21, 2025
  • Welcome to stakelbeck tonight i'm erick stakelbeck,
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  • And all that is secret will eventually be brought into
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  • The open.
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  • And everything that is concealed
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  • Will be brought to light and made known to all.
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  • Those are the words of jesus from the gospel of luke,
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  • Chapter eight, verse 17.
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  • And they have never been more relevant
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  • Than they are right now.
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  • On friday,
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  • Director of national intelligence
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  • Tulsi gabbard released findings from declassified documents
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  • That she says provide overwhelming evidence
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  • That in the wake of donald trump's 2016 election victory,
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  • Then president barack obama and members of his administration
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  • Concocted the infamous russia collusion hoax,
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  • Which falsely claimed that russia helped trump get elected.
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  • This hoax nearly derailed trump's entire first term,
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  • And according to the director of national intelligence,
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  • It all emanated from the very top of the obama white house.
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  • This meeting was called a national security
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  • Council meeting,
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  • Bringing all together all of the senior leaders
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  • Of president obama's cabinet
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  • And the topic that was put forward was a sensitive matter.
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  • The tasks that came out of that meeting was coming
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  • From president obama directing the intelligence community.
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  • Then obama's odia and i, director clapper,
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  • To produce a document to produce an intelligence assessment
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  • That detailed not if but how moscow affected
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  • The outcome of the election
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  • That had already occurred, electing donald trump
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  • To the presidency.
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  • This document that they published in january
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  • Of 2017 was the foundational groundwork
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  • That they continued to reference over and over and over again
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  • To enact this years long coup against president trump.
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  • The folks, there's no other way to put it.
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  • If this information is accurate and we have no reason
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  • To believe it isn't.
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  • We are witnessing the exposure of one of the greatest scandals
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  • In american history.
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  • Here's more from dni gabbard.
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  • This intelligence community assessment
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  • That president obama ordered be, published,
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  • Which contained a manufactured intelligence document.
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  • It's worse than even politicization of intelligence.
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  • It was manufactured intelligence that sought to achieve
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  • President obama and his team's objective,
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  • Which was undermining president trump's
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  • Presidency and subverting the will of the american people.
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  • So, according to gabbard,
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  • Obama and members of his team literally made the whole russia
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  • Collusion hoax
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  • Up to undermine trump before he even took office.
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  • Stunning.
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  • And gabbard says she'll declassify more documents
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  • In the coming days,
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  • Showing the extent of what she called a tres anas conspiracy.
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  • She's referring all of it to the department of justice
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  • And the fbi as a criminal matter.
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  • Accountability is essential
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  • For the future of our country, for the american people
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  • To have any sense of trust in the integrity
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  • Of our democratic republic.
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  • Accountability. action.
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  • Prosecution.
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  • Indictments for those who are responsible
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  • For trying to steal our democracy
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  • Is essential for us to make sure that this never happens to our
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  • Country again.
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  • Folks, let's face it, from the moment donald trump
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  • Came down that escalator in 2015 and declared his candidacy
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  • For president, the deep state sought to destroy him.
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  • Bogus impeachments and indictments.
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  • False accusations.
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  • They even raided his home in mar-a-lago in 2022.
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  • It was unprecedented and it was evil.
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  • But light
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  • Is now shining into the darkness and all is being exposed.
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  • Fasten your seat belts because when god is ready to move,
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  • He moves in a very big way and no one is untouchable.
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  • When he decides
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  • It's time for justice to be restored and revealed.
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  • We'll continue to follow this story for
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  • You very closely in the days to come, but in the meantime,
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  • We've got an update
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  • On the horrific floods
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  • That tore through central texas on the 4th of july.
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  • Folks, your prayers are working tonight.
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  • We've got an important report
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  • From edward graham of samaritan's purse.
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  • On the latest news out of texas.
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  • And it all starts now.
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  • As texas reels from one of
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  • The deadliest natural disasters in its history.
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  • The horrific flooding on july 4th
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  • That left at least 134 people dead and over 100 still missing.
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  • Our friends at samaritan's purse have once again stepped up
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  • Where the need is greatest.
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  • Their volunteers have boots on the ground in texas right
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  • Now, gutting flooded homes, comforting broken hearts
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  • And offering the hope of jesus and all the mud and the mess.
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  • Joining us now with more on what samaritan's purse is doing
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  • And how you can help, is edward graham, chief operating officer
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  • Of samaritan's purse. edward, great to see you.
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  • Thanks for all that you're doing in texas.
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  • And really around the world.
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  • You've seen disaster scenes worldwide.
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  • What makes the flooding, edward, in the texas hill country
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  • Uniquely devastate?
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  • You and i talked off camera.
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  • Look, these were little girls that were affected in large part
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  • At camp mystic.
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  • But what sets this particular disaster apart
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  • From what you've seen on the ground?
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  • Yeah. erick, thanks again for having.
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  • That's a great question.
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  • You know, anyone that survives a disaster has lost loved ones
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  • During the disaster
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  • That that storm or that specific one was clearly horrific.
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  • But this one, i've been all over the world.
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  • I've seen them. this reminds me a lot.
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  • Like a tornado past.
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  • You know, we just lived through hurricane
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  • Helene in western north carolina,
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  • And it was unbelievable.
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  • But it covered most of western north carolina.
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  • But every community here in the mountains was affected.
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  • Here in texas, it is pretty much channeled
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  • Along the guadalupe river valley.
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  • Now, there are some other
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  • Counties that did, have loss, lost, human life.
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  • The surrounding this area.
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  • But most of it was along this river.
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  • And as you said, what i think makes this one so horrific
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  • Is the young, innocent lives
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  • A number of children just in these camps.
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  • But there was also people that were camping like,
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  • This is 4th of july weekend.
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  • So you had people camping along
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  • The rivers and tents and trailers.
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  • It's a beautiful place.
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  • I don't know for those.
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  • I've never been to the whole country of texas
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  • And to the guadalupe river. it's unbelievable.
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  • It's people always go there to raft and float the river.
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  • It's a fun place and no one really saw this coming.
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  • But one thing i didn't see, people weren't anger that,
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  • You know, they're not upset that there wasn't an early warning.
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  • That's not what i saw when i was visiting there.
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  • They're used to flash floods.
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  • They just never had one to this level.
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  • And when the warnings did go out, it rose so quickly.
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  • I talked to one homeowner.
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  • She woke up to a gurgling noise under her bed,
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  • And then the next thing she knew,
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  • Her bed was hitting the ceiling.
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  • Her head was hitting the ceiling.
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  • That's how quick it came through.
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  • There was no time to respond.
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  • But it's just,
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  • I think the amount of human loss in such a narrow area
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  • And the innocent, these young children,
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  • It really does break the heart of people watching.
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  • But to that area in texas, they're reeling.
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  • They need our prayers.
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  • They are hurting and struggling.
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  • And they i'm a firm believer in the power of prayer.
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  • It works.
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  • So for those watching, pray for texas.
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  • Amen.
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  • And samaritan's purse is on there.
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  • On the ground. is there on the ground?
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  • Tell us more about what you're doing there.
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  • Your teams, edward, and tell us more
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  • About the conditions on the ground.
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  • Look, we're hearing reports of widespread devastation
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  • And destruction. tell us more about that.
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  • What samaritan's purse is doing and what we can do to help.
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  • Well, samaritan's purse, as soon as a storm happened,
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  • We went in and we began what we normally do.
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  • We work through a local church.
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  • We took our equipment, some that's in storage
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  • And compelled texas outside of dallas.
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  • It got there very quickly.
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  • The rest of the team came out of north carolina.
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  • Some of our trucks, and we work through, local churches.
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  • Two in particular were in two different locations
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  • Down there in kerrville and the kerrville community,
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  • And then saint angelo
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  • And both near, you know, along the river, river valley there.
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  • But this is where our volunteers will stay in the churches,
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  • Spend the night.
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  • And then we also have day
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  • Laborers that sign up and come in
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  • And they'll go out there and muck out these homes.
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  • They'll cut out the drywall, they'll dry them in.
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  • They'll do chainsaw work, cut down trees that are fallen
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  • And broken into the homes or on the roofs.
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  • Then they'll tarp the roof.
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  • Some more water and moisture doesn't get in there.
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  • The key part after a flood
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  • Is to get it quickly, dry it in, and we get it ready
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  • For those contractors to come in quickly.
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  • And then those that are uninsured and non insured,
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  • We will do a rebuild in some communities.
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  • In this case in texas we are doing a rebuild.
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  • We already have those assessing teams on the ground,
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  • So we can quickly
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  • Get people back into their homes that otherwise
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  • Wouldn't be able to.
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  • You got to think there's a lot of people
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  • That don't have a flood insurance
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  • Because they didn't think about people
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  • Like we lived around a river
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  • Or these homes or weren't near the river.
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  • They were so high up
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  • You would have never thought they'd be anywhere
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  • Close to flooding
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  • Or some of the runoffs
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  • That come down to the river that are dry creek beds
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  • Or runoffs.
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  • They may be even 20, 40ft above that.
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  • And it was a raging river coming down by.
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  • And those homes flooded out, or they had mudslides.
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  • And so this is where we want to get people
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  • Quickly back into their homes.
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  • Some people lost cars.
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  • So imagine you lost your car.
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  • You lost your home and your school schoolteacher
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  • And your husband was a sheriff's deputy.
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  • There's no way you can be able to pay off your debt
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  • And build a new home when you have no insurance.
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  • So we come and help families like this
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  • Get back into a mode of transportation,
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  • And they get back into their home.
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  • We'll also be working with some of these christian camps
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  • That were destroyed and devastated,
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  • That helped them get back.
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  • There's mobile homes and mobile home communities.
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  • There were will put people back in their mobile homes.
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  • If we were in a mobile home before,
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  • We don't want to build a stick built.
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  • Unfortunately, you would lose it,
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  • Probably because you'd be in a new tax bracket.
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  • So our assessors and our teams, case managers
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  • Work through and make sure we get people in the right home.
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  • Yeah edward it's amazing.
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  • And look this is all happening, by the way,
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  • In the july heat in texas.
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  • Very intense heat.
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  • Samaritan's purse on the ground.
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  • Folks, you can help
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  • You see the information there on your screen.
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  • You can help samaritan's purse
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  • Help the people affected by the floods in texas.
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  • Edward, thanks so much for all you're doing.
  • 00:10:32.788 --> 00:10:34.790
  • Keep it up. we're praying for you.
  • 00:10:34.790 --> 00:10:36.358
  • As you said, prayer works.
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  • We'll see you again soon.
  • 00:10:38.160 --> 00:10:39.261
  • And coming up after the break,
  • 00:10:39.261 --> 00:10:40.529
  • We see so much suffering in the world.
  • 00:10:40.529 --> 00:10:42.631
  • We see it in texas.
  • 00:10:42.631 --> 00:10:43.699
  • We also see evil in the world.
  • 00:10:43.699 --> 00:10:45.835
  • Andrew claiborne, bestselling author, is with us to break down
  • 00:10:45.835 --> 00:10:49.805
  • How we can find goodness in the midst of all the madness
  • 00:10:49.805 --> 00:10:54.610
  • That's next. stick around.
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  • That's next. stick around.
  • 00:10:58.008 --> 00:11:01.351
  • Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight, folks.
  • 00:11:02.252 --> 00:11:04.387
  • We live in a world where evil is running amok.
  • 00:11:04.387 --> 00:11:07.591
  • Look no further than the october 7th massacre
  • 00:11:07.591 --> 00:11:10.494
  • Or the madness in the streets of some american cities.
  • 00:11:10.494 --> 00:11:13.930
  • Amid all the suffering and injustice.
  • 00:11:13.930 --> 00:11:16.333
  • How can we maintain our joy and peace
  • 00:11:16.333 --> 00:11:19.436
  • And still find beauty in this fallen world?
  • 00:11:19.436 --> 00:11:22.739
  • In his new book,
  • 00:11:22.739 --> 00:11:23.974
  • The kingdom of pain finding god in the literature of darkness,
  • 00:11:23.974 --> 00:11:27.444
  • Andrew klavan
  • 00:11:27.444 --> 00:11:28.645
  • Shows how we can find god even in life's darkest moments.
  • 00:11:28.645 --> 00:11:32.516
  • It's an instant new york times bestseller, and for good reason.
  • 00:11:32.516 --> 00:11:36.153
  • Andrew is also host of the andrew
  • 00:11:36.153 --> 00:11:37.954
  • Klavan show on the daily wire, and he joins us now.
  • 00:11:37.954 --> 00:11:41.124
  • Andrew, it's great to see you.
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  • Number one, congrats on the book.
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  • It is excellent.
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  • Number two,
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  • You write a lot about the nature of evil in the book.
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  • And i think a great
  • 00:11:49.032 --> 00:11:50.233
  • Representation of that today, unfortunately,
  • 00:11:50.233 --> 00:11:52.536
  • Is the rise of anti-semitism, including right here
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  • In the united states.
  • 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:57.440
  • What does that tell us, andrew,
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  • About the moment we're in right now
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  • And how even your book is even more relevant?
  • 00:12:01.111 --> 00:12:03.647
  • Because i see anti-semitism as the world's oldest hatred
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  • And the world's oldest evil. really?
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  • Yeah.
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  • I always call it the devil's flagpole.
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  • Thank you. first of all, erik, for having me on.
  • 00:12:12.889 --> 00:12:14.958
  • But i call it anti-semitism, the devil's flagpole,
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  • Because it has it actually doesn't care
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  • Whether you're on the left or the right.
  • 00:12:19.229 --> 00:12:20.664
  • It doesn't care what your politics are,
  • 00:12:20.664 --> 00:12:22.799
  • What your philosophy is.
  • 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:24.134
  • But it always appears whenever you see it rise up like this.
  • 00:12:24.134 --> 00:12:27.437
  • You know that evil is kind of prowling the streets.
  • 00:12:27.437 --> 00:12:30.607
  • And the reason i think that's true,
  • 00:12:30.607 --> 00:12:32.909
  • And i really have this receipts to show
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  • This is true, is that i believe that anti semitism is really,
  • 00:12:35.846 --> 00:12:39.716
  • A hatred of god.
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  • I believe that
  • 00:12:41.484 --> 00:12:42.752
  • The hatred of jews has lasted so long, has gone to the rich
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  • And the poor, the right and the left,
  • 00:12:46.256 --> 00:12:47.791
  • Because it centers on the god that brought that
  • 00:12:47.791 --> 00:12:51.094
  • The jews brought back into the world,
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  • Hosted back into the world after the fall.
  • 00:12:53.029 --> 00:12:55.365
  • And when you look at the german philosophers who arose
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  • Right before germany, coalesced into a country,
  • 00:12:58.869 --> 00:13:03.173
  • And then that led to the rise of nationalism and finally
  • 00:13:03.173 --> 00:13:06.276
  • To the rise of, of, nazism.
  • 00:13:06.276 --> 00:13:09.379
  • You see, the philosophers start to talk about the fact
  • 00:13:09.379 --> 00:13:11.815
  • That these alien jews had polluted german culture
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  • With this alien culture by which they meant christianity.
  • 00:13:15.118 --> 00:13:18.488
  • And you look at nietzsche,
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  • You look at schopenhauer, you look at all bogner.
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  • You look at all
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  • These german thinkers
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  • And the thing they complain about with the jews
  • 00:13:24.361 --> 00:13:26.663
  • Is that through jesus, they they kind of weaken german culture
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  • With the jewish culture, quote unquote, of christianity.
  • 00:13:31.134 --> 00:13:35.038
  • And they felt that this was weakness.
  • 00:13:35.038 --> 00:13:36.539
  • Nietzsche called christianity the philosophy of slaves.
  • 00:13:36.539 --> 00:13:39.776
  • Why are we being nice to poor people in the week
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  • When really it's the powerful?
  • 00:13:42.312 --> 00:13:43.780
  • We should set the terms,
  • 00:13:43.780 --> 00:13:45.315
  • The winners who should set the terms of morality.
  • 00:13:45.315 --> 00:13:47.884
  • And so i think
  • 00:13:47.884 --> 00:13:48.785
  • That anti-semitism is going to be with us
  • 00:13:48.785 --> 00:13:51.154
  • As long as as jew hatred is with us.
  • 00:13:51.154 --> 00:13:53.823
  • To hate the jewish people and to hate, by the way,
  • 00:13:53.823 --> 00:13:56.026
  • The jewish state of israel is to hate the god of israel.
  • 00:13:56.026 --> 00:13:59.029
  • At the end of the day,
  • 00:13:59.029 --> 00:14:00.163
  • Hey, when you abandon god and you write about this
  • 00:14:00.163 --> 00:14:02.165
  • In the book, when you abandon god
  • 00:14:02.165 --> 00:14:03.800
  • And you embrace, say, political radicalism,
  • 00:14:03.800 --> 00:14:07.337
  • You've got a very, very dangerous moment.
  • 00:14:07.337 --> 00:14:09.706
  • We have that right now in new york city.
  • 00:14:09.706 --> 00:14:11.374
  • A guy you've talked about a bit on your show, zoran mamdani
  • 00:14:11.374 --> 00:14:15.111
  • And you
  • 00:14:15.345 --> 00:14:16.546
  • What does his rise say and his potential rise, god forbid,
  • 00:14:16.546 --> 00:14:18.982
  • In november to potentially be new york city's next mayor?
  • 00:14:18.982 --> 00:14:23.286
  • He's not an islamist. exactly.
  • 00:14:23.887 --> 00:14:26.056
  • He is an islamist adjacent.
  • 00:14:26.056 --> 00:14:28.525
  • He he is actually hates the state of israel.
  • 00:14:28.525 --> 00:14:31.294
  • He's talked about, basically boycotting it into nonexistence.
  • 00:14:31.294 --> 00:14:35.332
  • He has constantly favored
  • 00:14:35.332 --> 00:14:37.534
  • Islamists, people who hate the state of israel.
  • 00:14:37.534 --> 00:14:40.036
  • And really, underneath that is not just a hatred of god.
  • 00:14:40.036 --> 00:14:43.239
  • It's a hatred of the west, because the west is
  • 00:14:43.239 --> 00:14:46.042
  • He is what used to be called christendom.
  • 00:14:46.042 --> 00:14:47.944
  • It is the place with the freedom that comes with faith
  • 00:14:47.944 --> 00:14:50.947
  • And the freedom that comes with christian values.
  • 00:14:50.947 --> 00:14:53.616
  • Grew up
  • 00:14:53.616 --> 00:14:54.751
  • And and i think it's the people who hate that freedom
  • 00:14:54.751 --> 00:14:56.786
  • And who want to return to a kind of collectivism,
  • 00:14:56.786 --> 00:14:59.122
  • A sort of, idea that we don't act
  • 00:14:59.122 --> 00:15:02.058
  • As one, as individuals, in relationship to god.
  • 00:15:02.058 --> 00:15:05.495
  • We act as one great unit.
  • 00:15:05.495 --> 00:15:07.664
  • People keep wondering why socialism ends up
  • 00:15:07.664 --> 00:15:10.567
  • With so much misery, and why it ends up as authoritarian.
  • 00:15:10.567 --> 00:15:13.837
  • But it's right there in the idea that, you know, the idea
  • 00:15:13.837 --> 00:15:16.773
  • That somehow
  • 00:15:16.773 --> 00:15:17.741
  • We're going to i'm going to make the money,
  • 00:15:17.741 --> 00:15:19.542
  • But somehow this great power is going to decide
  • 00:15:19.542 --> 00:15:22.078
  • How that money should be spent is an authoritarian idea.
  • 00:15:22.078 --> 00:15:25.415
  • And so while it sounds benign,
  • 00:15:25.415 --> 00:15:26.950
  • We're going to make everything fair and everybody equal.
  • 00:15:26.950 --> 00:15:29.386
  • It always ends up in the exact same place as fascism.
  • 00:15:29.386 --> 00:15:32.355
  • Freedom is a very difficult thing to maintain.
  • 00:15:32.355 --> 00:15:34.991
  • It requires of people of of moral with a moral direction
  • 00:15:34.991 --> 00:15:38.795
  • And, requires people who band together
  • 00:15:38.795 --> 00:15:41.865
  • In small associations like churches
  • 00:15:41.865 --> 00:15:44.300
  • And, you know, clubs and things like that,
  • 00:15:44.300 --> 00:15:46.436
  • So they can talk to each other and share their ideas.
  • 00:15:46.436 --> 00:15:49.873
  • And socialism eradicates all of that,
  • 00:15:49.873 --> 00:15:51.941
  • Just like fascism does.
  • 00:15:51.941 --> 00:15:53.443
  • And it's so interesting that we keep making the same mistake,
  • 00:15:53.443 --> 00:15:57.247
  • Because socialism has all these nice words
  • 00:15:57.247 --> 00:15:59.482
  • In it, like fairness and equality.
  • 00:15:59.482 --> 00:16:01.251
  • We keep thinking this next time it's really going to work,
  • 00:16:01.251 --> 00:16:04.287
  • And every single time it makes people miserable, hungry, poor,
  • 00:16:04.287 --> 00:16:07.891
  • Angry and oppressed.
  • 00:16:07.891 --> 00:16:09.159
  • So true. hey, more with andrew cleveland after the break folks.
  • 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:11.995
  • We're going to dig into the book some more after the break.
  • 00:16:11.995 --> 00:16:14.330
  • We're going to take it all the way back
  • 00:16:14.330 --> 00:16:16.132
  • To the very first murder and its ramifications for us today.
  • 00:16:16.132 --> 00:16:20.003
  • That's next. stick around.
  • 00:16:20.003 --> 00:16:23.008
  • That's next. stick around.
  • 00:16:23.008 --> 00:16:26.744
  • Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight.
  • 00:16:27.511 --> 00:16:28.679
  • Tonight we're talking to andrew klavan,
  • 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:30.047
  • Author of the bestseller the kingdom of cain
  • 00:16:30.047 --> 00:16:32.049
  • And host of the andrew klavan show on the daily wire.
  • 00:16:32.049 --> 00:16:35.152
  • Andrew, in the book
  • 00:16:35.152 --> 00:16:36.387
  • You talk about history's very first murderer and murderer.
  • 00:16:36.387 --> 00:16:40.024
  • Cain.
  • 00:16:40.024 --> 00:16:41.258
  • He's in the title of the book, obviously, the kingdom of cain.
  • 00:16:41.258 --> 00:16:43.327
  • The relevance of that act in terms of us still being able
  • 00:16:43.327 --> 00:16:46.797
  • To find peace and joy today.
  • 00:16:46.797 --> 00:16:48.766
  • It sounds odd, but you break it down wonderfully in the book.
  • 00:16:48.766 --> 00:16:51.302
  • Tell us more about it.
  • 00:16:51.302 --> 00:16:53.471
  • Yeah, it's the first thing that happens after the fall.
  • 00:16:53.471 --> 00:16:55.840
  • It's really the first event, and it fits the entire pattern
  • 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:58.776
  • Of history.
  • 00:16:58.776 --> 00:17:00.010
  • And i went back and studied a lot of the ancient commentary
  • 00:17:00.010 --> 00:17:02.446
  • About the king of cain and abel and what it meant.
  • 00:17:02.446 --> 00:17:04.882
  • And one of the things
  • 00:17:04.882 --> 00:17:05.916
  • That comes up again and again is this conflict
  • 00:17:05.916 --> 00:17:08.152
  • Between those who trust in god and those who cannot solve.
  • 00:17:08.152 --> 00:17:11.422
  • People like cain, who cannot solve the problem of evil.
  • 00:17:11.422 --> 00:17:15.526
  • The problem of evil is pretty straightforward.
  • 00:17:15.526 --> 00:17:18.095
  • Why is there a good god
  • 00:17:18.095 --> 00:17:19.930
  • Who has omniscience, who sees everything?
  • 00:17:19.930 --> 00:17:22.733
  • Why does he allow evil?
  • 00:17:22.733 --> 00:17:24.602
  • And you can come up with lots of different reasons for that.
  • 00:17:24.602 --> 00:17:27.771
  • And there are all sorts of things that you can talk about.
  • 00:17:27.771 --> 00:17:30.007
  • But in the end, the pain we feel about evil
  • 00:17:30.007 --> 00:17:33.010
  • Sometimes will not be quelled by explanations with theology.
  • 00:17:33.010 --> 00:17:37.681
  • And one of the ideas in the book is that beauty
  • 00:17:37.681 --> 00:17:41.385
  • Is in some sense an answer to evil.
  • 00:17:41.385 --> 00:17:43.521
  • I take a look, toward the end of the book at the
  • 00:17:43.521 --> 00:17:46.657
  • The statue, the famous sculpture by michelangelo, the pater.
  • 00:17:46.657 --> 00:17:49.994
  • It's one of the most beautiful
  • 00:17:49.994 --> 00:17:51.162
  • Objects ever made by a human being.
  • 00:17:51.162 --> 00:17:53.230
  • And when you think and yet when you think about it,
  • 00:17:53.230 --> 00:17:55.232
  • It's a portrait of the ultimate evil.
  • 00:17:55.232 --> 00:17:57.501
  • It's mary cradling the dead jesus in her lap
  • 00:17:57.501 --> 00:18:00.271
  • After the crucifixion.
  • 00:18:00.271 --> 00:18:01.672
  • And you think, well,
  • 00:18:01.672 --> 00:18:02.806
  • If if michelangelo, a man can turn this into
  • 00:18:02.806 --> 00:18:06.310
  • A subject of beauty, what is god doing with this very broken,
  • 00:18:06.310 --> 00:18:10.214
  • Very painful, sometimes awfully evil world.
  • 00:18:10.214 --> 00:18:14.351
  • What is he doing that's going to be so beautiful
  • 00:18:14.351 --> 00:18:17.021
  • When we finally see it face to face?
  • 00:18:17.021 --> 00:18:19.123
  • In many of the commentaries,
  • 00:18:19.123 --> 00:18:20.357
  • Cain is the one who simply cannot understand why
  • 00:18:20.357 --> 00:18:24.128
  • He has been cast out of eden for the sins of his parents.
  • 00:18:24.128 --> 00:18:27.565
  • Why were his parents tempted, with the,
  • 00:18:27.565 --> 00:18:30.801
  • The sin of the knowledge of good and evil
  • 00:18:30.801 --> 00:18:33.204
  • When they should have just been left alone?
  • 00:18:33.204 --> 00:18:35.005
  • Why is all this happening? he can't solve that problem.
  • 00:18:35.005 --> 00:18:37.908
  • And abel, as noted by his sacrifice,
  • 00:18:37.908 --> 00:18:40.844
  • Which is the sacrifice, is pleasing to god,
  • 00:18:40.844 --> 00:18:43.080
  • Has accepted in his faith
  • 00:18:43.080 --> 00:18:44.782
  • That god is doing something beautiful
  • 00:18:44.782 --> 00:18:46.650
  • In the world
  • 00:18:46.650 --> 00:18:47.818
  • That he doesn't quite see yet, that none of us can quite
  • 00:18:47.818 --> 00:18:49.954
  • See it.
  • 00:18:49.954 --> 00:18:50.854
  • And so cain really kills abel as a way
  • 00:18:50.854 --> 00:18:53.490
  • Of killing that part in himself that yearns for god,
  • 00:18:53.490 --> 00:18:56.260
  • That yearns to believe, that yearns
  • 00:18:56.260 --> 00:18:58.229
  • For faith, but simply can't have it,
  • 00:18:58.229 --> 00:19:00.064
  • And i think that when we look at the world,
  • 00:19:00.064 --> 00:19:01.932
  • That is exactly what we're seeing.
  • 00:19:01.932 --> 00:19:03.567
  • We are at a hinge moment in this world.
  • 00:19:03.567 --> 00:19:05.703
  • A lot of the stuff, a lot of the stuff that you see,
  • 00:19:05.703 --> 00:19:09.607
  • Transgene ism, socialism, the yearning to destroy freedom.
  • 00:19:09.607 --> 00:19:14.378
  • A lot of that makes sense if you live in an atheist world,
  • 00:19:14.378 --> 00:19:18.716
  • If you live in a world where there's no god,
  • 00:19:18.716 --> 00:19:20.651
  • It makes sense that we can do anything we want,
  • 00:19:20.651 --> 00:19:23.153
  • That we can treat our flesh any want,
  • 00:19:23.153 --> 00:19:24.922
  • Any way we want, that
  • 00:19:24.922 --> 00:19:25.956
  • If i change my flesh into the shape of a girl,
  • 00:19:25.956 --> 00:19:28.025
  • Suddenly i'll actually become a girl.
  • 00:19:28.025 --> 00:19:29.693
  • Which is insane.
  • 00:19:29.693 --> 00:19:31.262
  • If you have an idea
  • 00:19:31.262 --> 00:19:32.496
  • Of a creator and creation that was originally good.
  • 00:19:32.496 --> 00:19:36.300
  • And so in cain and abel we find the pattern of history,
  • 00:19:36.300 --> 00:19:39.570
  • And it occurs throughout the arts again
  • 00:19:39.570 --> 00:19:41.538
  • And again
  • 00:19:41.538 --> 00:19:42.740
  • As people kind of wrestled with what that history means.
  • 00:19:42.740 --> 00:19:45.075
  • Yeah. andrew. so good.
  • 00:19:45.075 --> 00:19:46.410
  • And just in reading the book, i kept thinking what joseph said
  • 00:19:46.410 --> 00:19:48.712
  • To his brothers, what you meant for evil, god meant for good.
  • 00:19:48.712 --> 00:19:52.416
  • I think that's the theme running through the book.
  • 00:19:52.416 --> 00:19:54.418
  • Hey, tell us a bit more about your journey.
  • 00:19:54.418 --> 00:19:56.220
  • By the way, you're a jewish follower of jesus.
  • 00:19:56.220 --> 00:19:58.422
  • You're a award winning screenwriter.
  • 00:19:58.422 --> 00:20:00.224
  • It's been a long and winding
  • 00:20:00.224 --> 00:20:01.892
  • And fascinating road in your career.
  • 00:20:01.892 --> 00:20:03.661
  • Bestselling author many times over.
  • 00:20:03.661 --> 00:20:05.429
  • Tell us a bit about your journey
  • 00:20:05.429 --> 00:20:07.164
  • And how you came to writing this book.
  • 00:20:07.164 --> 00:20:09.733
  • Well, one of the
  • 00:20:10.134 --> 00:20:11.335
  • Reasons i wrote this book is because the effect that that,
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  • That was had on me
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  • By the great novel crime and punishment
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  • By the russian novelist fyodor dostoyevsky.
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  • So when i read that book at the age of 19,
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  • I was i'll call myself an agnostic,
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  • But i was essentially an atheist.
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  • I was in a world of intellectuals and scholars
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  • And writers where the default was disbelief.
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  • And one of the things that was rising up
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  • Because of that disbelief was moral relativism.
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  • The idea that you say
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  • One thing is good and i say another thing is good.
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  • There's no way to tell the difference.
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  • There's no moral order above us all
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  • That we're all responsible to.
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  • And when i read the murder scene in crime and punishment,
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  • I thought,
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  • No, i was 19 years old,
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  • And i wanted to be part of that intellectual world.
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  • I wanted to be part of the world
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  • Of of writers and academics and intellectuals.
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  • But when i read that book, i thought, no, it's impossible
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  • That evil can ever be good anywhere,
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  • Even if it gets elected,
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  • Even if it gets the majority,
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  • Even if you land on the planet of evil.
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  • Evil is still evil.
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  • And because i thought that it took decades and decades
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  • To understand that if that's true,
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  • Then there has to be a god. there has to be a good god.
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  • There has to be a god calls us away from evil to good.
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  • And it took me a,
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  • As i say, decades to break through the default
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  • Setting of society and especially the society
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  • That i was in,
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  • And just defy it and say, i'm sorry,
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  • But i've got to accept god first in my life.
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  • And then after getting to know god better, accept jesus christ.
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  • And it was
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  • If it was one of the
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  • Great experiences of my life, it has brought so much joy
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  • Into my life.
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  • And oddly enough, it has made my writing
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  • Darker in some ways because i see the evil
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  • Of the world more clearly, but i think it's made it
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  • Much deeper and much richer, which was one of my great fears.
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  • I was afraid i was going to become some kind of story.
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  • A christian who couldn't see the reality anymore.
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  • And the actually, the result was the exact opposite.
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  • And one of the reasons i wrote this book is to tell you
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  • What you can learn from examining evil in the arch,
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  • And what it can tell
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  • You about evil in real life and where it comes from.
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  • Yeah, andrew, so well said.
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  • And your moral clarity, my friend, shines
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  • Through in the book,
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  • Folks, is the kingdom of cain picked up
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  • Wherever books are sold right now
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  • And on the andrew klavan show on the daily wire.
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  • Also follow andrew on social media.
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  • Andrew, great job on the book. god bless my friend.
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  • Keep up the great work. we will see you again soon.
  • 00:22:25.269 --> 00:22:27.371
  • And coming up after the break,
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  • My final thoughts were talking about evil.
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  • How do we shine a light in the darkness?
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  • Now is the time. find out how next.
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  • Now is the time. find out how next.
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  • Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight, folks.
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  • As we wrap up, i'm thinking about everything
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  • President trump
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  • Went through from 2016 really till he was reelected in 2024.
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  • The hell he went through quite literally.
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  • And now it's being exposed.
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  • And who was behind what exactly went down.
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  • And there is more to come,
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  • As we discussed earlier in the show,
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  • But i think of psalm 138, verse seven, though
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  • I walk in the midst of trouble, you preserve my life.
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  • You stretch out your hand
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  • Against the anger of my foes with your right hand.
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  • God, you saved me.
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  • So god is always there in the midst of the storm.
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  • I think president trump learned that personally.
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  • Hey, tomorrow, victor davis hanson,
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  • The one and only, is here. it's going to be good.
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  • Until then, god bless you and we'll see you soon.
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