Erick Stakelbeck delves into the unseen spiritual battle facing America, discussing the rise of Christian faith among younger generations amidst cultural shifts. Renowned pastor Allen Jackson sheds light on spiritual warfare and the influence of angels and demons in our lives. Best-selling author John Eldredge explores the impact of screens on our spiritual connection and the revival of mystic intimacy with God. As they navigate through the spiritual challenges of modern society, viewers are encouraged to seek deeper communion with God to overcome the forces of darkness and embrace the power of faith.
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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: The Truth Behind Spiritual Warfare | Stakelbeck Tonight | June 2, 2025
- Welcome to stakelbeck tonight.
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- I'm erick stakelbeck, and there's no denying it.
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- America's christian foundation
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- Has been shaken over the last two decades.
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- Since 2007,
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- The number of adults identifying as christian in the u.s.
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- Has dropped sharply.
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- Back then, the number was around 78%.
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- Now it's down to just 62%.
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- Folks, that's a dramatic cultural shift,
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- And not a good one.
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- But here's the twist.
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- That freefall i just mentioned has now stopped.
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- According to the pew research center,
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- Over the last five years, the christian share of the adult
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- Population in america has held steady between 60 and 64%.
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- In other words, in a time when darkness seems to be
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- Spreading like it is holding its ground.
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- That's encouraging.
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- And so is this.
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- Recent research reveals that generation z
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- And generation alpha are growing in faith.
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- Nearly three quarters of 13 year olds claim a religious
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- Or spiritual identity, while two thirds identify as christian.
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- In a culture that pushes radical gender ideology career
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- Over family, my truth over the truth
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- And a total rejection of biblical morality,
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- Our younger generations, despite it all, are daring
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- To believe again.
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- Increasing numbers are rejecting the emptiness and moral
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- Rot that the world offers, and they're turning to jesus.
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- They're now purchasing bibles in large numbers.
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- So while the world pushes confusion and chaos,
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- God is still speaking to the next generations.
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- And yet the battle is real.
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- The pressure is growing.
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- Remember the war for
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- The soul of this nation is spiritual at its core.
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- We see it every day.
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- Our children targeted with anti biblical dogma
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- In public schools. families
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- Fractured a culture celebrating sin and mocking faith.
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- And now the physical threats have grown just as real
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- From a pair of israeli diplomats gunned down in washington,
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- D.c., recently to attempts made on president trump's life.
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- His press secretary, caroline leavitt, said it best this
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- Is no ordinary fight.
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- I certainly believe in spiritual warfare,
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- And i think
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- I saw it firsthand, especially throughout
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- The campaign trail with president trump.
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- And i think there certainly were evil forces.
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- And i think that the president was saved by
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- The grace of god on on july 13th in butler, pennsylvania.
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- And he's in this moment for a reason.
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- Evil forces.
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- That is truly what we are up against.
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- Don't doubt it.
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- That's not political spin.
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- That's spiritual reality.
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- As believers, how can we stand firm in this fight?
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- Pastor alan
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- Jackson is here to expose the truth behind spiritual warfare.
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- What's really happening in our nation
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- And how you can suit up for battle and victory.
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- And it all starts now.
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- Folks, we are in a spiritual battle
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- And the enemy is very real.
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- There are forces of darkness at work, behind the scenes,
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- Influencing culture, politics, and even personal lives.
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- But here's the good news.
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- God has not left us to face this enemy alone.
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- In his latest book, angels, demons and new, pastor,
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- Alan jackson shows how we've got some powerful help
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- In this invisible war that we all face.
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- Pastor jackson is senior pastor of world outreach church
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- In murfreesboro, tennessee.
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- A bestselling author and host of alan jackson,
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- Now seen right here on tbn every weeknight at 7 p.m.
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- Eastern time.
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- Alan, great to see you as always, my friend.
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- And hey, what a timely book.
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- But let's start with the title.
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- It's not just angels and demons, it's angels, demons
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- And you, alan, tell us how
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- Every believer really everyone on this earth,
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- But even believers are involved in this hidden spiritual
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- War that's going on, that's raging behind the scenes.
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- Yeah.
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- Eric, thank you for the time.
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- And i think that's really the heart of the question.
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- It's the and you part that's so important.
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- You know, if we talked about diet
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- And exercise as a theoretical idea, it's
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- Not that interesting or challenging.
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- If you talk about diet and exercise and me
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- Now that's a completely different discussion.
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- And what the really objective of the book is to help everybody
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- That picks up a copy to imagine is that spiritual
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- Forces are impacting your life today.
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- It can be for the good or it can be for your detriment.
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- But we want to be aware and have a plan
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- So that we can benefit from the resources
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- God has put at our disposal.
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- Yeah, and this has been happening
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- Really, the spiritual war, allen raging in biblical times.
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- Throughout the bible we have examples of spiritual warfare.
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- Why do you think that the church today, all too often downplays
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- This aspect?
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- Angels, demons and the supernatural.
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- Well, i think we've been so influenced by secular culture,
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- And we've been so focused on
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- Having the approval of a worldview
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- That stands apart from our biblical worldview,
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- That we have diminished.
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- What the scripture gives us
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- Very clearly is fundamental principles.
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- You know, the jesus
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- Narrative is impossible without angelic involvement,
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- Without the angels
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- Visiting zechariah and elizabeth,
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- And then visiting mary and joseph
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- Without visiting the shepherds
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- In the shepherds fields outside of bethlehem.
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- I mean, all of those are integral
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- Components of that incarnation story
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- That is at the center of our faith.
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- Well, if jesus needed the help of the angels, i'm
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- Pretty certain that eric and alan
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- Would probably benefit from it.
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- Some angelic support as well.
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- And we've got to be willing to come back to believing
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- The bible is authoritative and directive in our lives,
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- And not just some
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- Historical manual manual from cultures in the past.
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- Spiritual forces are shaping our lives today, i promise.
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- Amen. well, sit down and look.
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- It's been said that the greatest trick the devil ever played
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- Was convincing mankind that he doesn't exist.
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- And yet he's very much active.
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- He's the lord of this world.
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- Tell us a bit more.
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- You mentioned how angels operate. obviously.
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- Tell us a bit more about how demons
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- And demonic forces operate here on the earth.
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- That's a really important question.
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- You know, we don't know everything.
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- We're left to some things to surmise
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- Or form our opinions around.
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- What we do know is that
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- There are spiritual forces that oppose the purposes of god.
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- We're introduced,
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- Introduced to those in the opening verses of our bible.
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- And that carries right through the book of revelation,
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- When judgment comes upon satan and his host
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- And that whole narrative at the conclusion
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- And in the interim, which we're a part of.
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- There are spiritual forces that very clearly intend
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- To oppose the purposes of god.
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- Jesus said, satan comes to steal, to kill and destroy.
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- And we want to pretend that we're just a bit too
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- Sophisticated,
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- A bit too intellectual, a bit too polished to be bothered
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- By discussions around those spiritual forces of darkness.
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- And i would encourage the listeners
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- Not to get caught up in the semantics.
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- But the big picture idea is that
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- There are spiritual forces that oppose the purposes of god.
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- And if the language bothers you, the reality better not.
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- If you don't believe in the devil,
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- I promise you he believes in you.
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- And we need a strategy to overcome
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- Every one of his plans to to limit, to diminish,
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- To do anything he can to keep us from
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- But god's very best for our lives.
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- He's he's a failure.
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- But we need to understand his role
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- So we can have the victory. god intends us to have.
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- Yeah.
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- And key point i think that a lot of times, unbelief.
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- It seems the enemy takes advantage of that.
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- Here in the western world, do you see?
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- And in researching this book in your studies over the years,
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- That perhaps the enemy works a little differently
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- In different geographic regions of the world?
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- Like you said, maybe here in the west
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- We say, well, that's supernatural stuff.
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- It's all old wives tales.
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- That's not real, but the enemy can capitalize on that.
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- You know what we believe the bible talks about?
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- Unbelief is evil.
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- So unbelief is something to be avoided tenaciously.
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- And then build
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- Your larger point
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- That are
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- Regions in the world where we live impacts
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- Our viewpoint on spiritual things.
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- I've had the privilege of traveling a bit,
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- And i can tell you there are places in the world
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- Where they are
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- Far more receptive to the ideas of spiritual forces
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- And influences than we are here in america, in our arrogance.
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- We imagine that we're educated
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- And sophisticated and the devil doesn't bother us.
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- Let me ask a question.
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- If you were in charge of
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- Deploying evil,
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- Would you deploy all the spiritual forces
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- You could that washington, d.c.
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- Or new york city or the places that did to influence the globe?
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- Or would you deploy them
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- In some remote jungle or village someplace?
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- I think we all understand the answer.
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- It would be in our best interest
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- To lead the world in believing
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- In spiritual forces, and stop dragging our feet,
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- Imagining were too sophisticated.
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- Yeah, so. well set down the enemy as a strategy.
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- But here's the good news.
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- God has a strategy to.
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- And it's far, far greater.
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- We're going to talk more about that after the break
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- With our good friend, pastor
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- Alan jackson, author of angels, demons.
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- And you stick around.
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- And you stick around.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight.
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- We're talking to our good friend, pastor
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- Alan jackson, host of alan jackson,
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- Now right here on tbn every weeknight
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- And author of the great new book angels, demons and you.
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- Alan, we talked before the break about
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- In our modern western world, a lot of times
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- People kind of shrug at any talk of spiritual warfare
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- Or the supernatural.
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- When did that disconnect begin?
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- Did it begin when the west became more affluent?
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- What did the early church fathers think of all this?
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- Did they delve much more into the spiritual realm?
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- Well, yeah, absolutely.
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- You know, i think post-enlightenment in the west.
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- You know, from that point
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- On, we have been diminishing spiritual things.
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- But if we step back into the history of the church,
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- If we go back to the book of acts,
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- There is no book of acts
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- Without the supernatural involvement
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- From the day of pentecost forward.
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- I mean, peter shadow on people was bringing healing,
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- And that continues right through those early years
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- Of the church, through the church councils,
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- On through the history of the church.
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- And as the church becomes
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- More affluent, it becomes more powerful.
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- We imagine we can create outcomes on our own.
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- Yeah, i think that's one of the challenges we face right now.
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- We've had an election in recent months,
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- And there's this great temptation
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- On the christians behalf to think
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- That we've elected politicians
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- And they should go fix our problems.
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- But most of our problems are spiritual in their origin.
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- There isn't a political solution.
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- First, there's a spiritual solution.
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- And we need the church to change.
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- Not change political party
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- And change candidates that they advocate for.
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- We need to change our attitudes
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- Towards the fundamental
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- Principles of scripture and begin to embrace our role
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- In the spiritual conflict that's unfolding in the earth.
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- If we will take our place as salt and light,
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- If we all begin to make our proclamations
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- To agree with the word of god
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- And unleash what jesus has put under our authority,
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- Then we will see changes in our families,
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- In our communities, even in our nation.
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- And it will help with the advocacy
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- Of the gospel around the earth.
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- We have a role to play.
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- Yeah. amen. and now and you talked about it.
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- You know, in certain geographic regions of the world,
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- You you can actually feel the spiritual heaviness
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- And the warfare
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- Going on in the hidden realm,
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- In the unseen realm all around us,
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- Right here in the united states.
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- I mean,
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- This would be the big prize for the enemy, obviously,
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- If he could win over the united states.
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- But do you sense that struggle right now in our country
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- Since the election, president trump, landslide victory.
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- Good things are happening.
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- We've got a faith office in the white house now.
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- Do you sense do you feel
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- I mean, just the discernment that struggle
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- For the soul of america that's ongoing right now?
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- Yeah, i think you're right on, eric.
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- I think we're watching in real time this, this battle play out.
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- You know, things are being exposed, fraud,
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- Stealing, deceit on this unbelievable level.
- 00:12:34.308 --> 00:12:38.245
- You know, where they've deceived us about the
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- The health of our president,
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- The most powerful office in our nation.
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- Not for a few weeks or months, but over a long period of time.
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- And that deception didn't stop at the white house.
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- But the fundamentals of that
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- I get, i keep bringing it back home.
- 00:12:51.825 --> 00:12:53.327
- We can think globally, but we have to act locally.
- 00:12:53.327 --> 00:12:56.196
- What's happening in our communities,
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- In our local churches? are we telling the truth?
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- Are we engaging culture with a biblical worldview?
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- Are we hiding in our churches
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- And doing polite bible studies
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- And recounting first century culture?
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- Or we ignored 21st century culture?
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- It takes courage to lead with faith,
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- And i believe the reluctance of the church
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- To do that in recent
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- Decades is what has caused the deterioration of our culture.
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- We would talk about the witchdoctors in haiti
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- Or in some remote region someplace else in the world.
- 00:13:23.690 --> 00:13:26.660
- Well, there were powerful spiritual
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- Forces of darkness at work in our own backyard.
- 00:13:28.428 --> 00:13:31.465
- But god is awakening us.
- 00:13:31.465 --> 00:13:33.333
- I think it started with covid.
- 00:13:33.333 --> 00:13:34.668
- I think there was another step
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- Forward in october 7th with the hamas attacks.
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- I think
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- With what
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- Has brought to washington, there's
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- Another step in that shaking.
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- And with each of those, there's
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- An awareness of what's happening.
- 00:13:44.311 --> 00:13:46.847
- And with that awareness comes a call to action
- 00:13:46.847 --> 00:13:49.116
- For the people of faith.
- 00:13:49.116 --> 00:13:50.717
- Let's get on the move for the sake of the kingdom
- 00:13:50.717 --> 00:13:52.953
- Of god and advocacy for jesus of nazareth.
- 00:13:52.953 --> 00:13:55.355
- Yeah, folks can hear these kind
- 00:13:55.355 --> 00:13:56.623
- Of biblical insights
- 00:13:56.623 --> 00:13:57.858
- Every night on alan jackson now right here on tbn, 7 p.m.
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- Eastern time, every weeknight.
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- Alan, do you get a sense of things?
- 00:14:03.230 --> 00:14:04.698
- Are intensifying and you mentioned covid.
- 00:14:04.698 --> 00:14:07.301
- To me.
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- That was kind of a threshold for this spiritual
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- Battle to ramp up, intensifying not only here in america,
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- But with what's happening in israel right now as israel
- 00:14:14.675 --> 00:14:18.345
- Fights a war on seven fronts.
- 00:14:18.345 --> 00:14:21.515
- There's no question things are more intense.
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- But rather than recognize
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- The intensity of satan and his agenda,
- 00:14:26.053 --> 00:14:28.221
- I get excited about the intensity of what god is doing.
- 00:14:28.221 --> 00:14:31.391
- He's given us technology and opportunities
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- That are unprecedented.
- 00:14:33.927 --> 00:14:35.128
- You know, i serve a congregation in murfreesboro, tennessee.
- 00:14:35.128 --> 00:14:38.165
- It's not exactly the center of all things in the earth,
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- But we could turn on a camera here
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- And talk to people around the world,
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- And we do it on a regular basis
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- To have that kind of technology available to us.
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- And the clarity to communicate on a global, on a way
- 00:14:49.409 --> 00:14:52.980
- Is unknown in the history of the church, and god is doing that.
- 00:14:52.980 --> 00:14:56.750
- It's available to all of us these days.
- 00:14:56.750 --> 00:14:58.719
- And rather than get focused on the negative
- 00:14:58.719 --> 00:15:00.854
- And there's plenty of negative to focus on, i'm determined
- 00:15:00.854 --> 00:15:04.224
- In my heart to acknowledge the things god is doing.
- 00:15:04.224 --> 00:15:07.160
- The miracle stories, the healing stories, the lives
- 00:15:07.160 --> 00:15:09.896
- That are being changed,
- 00:15:09.896 --> 00:15:11.231
- The people that are having revelations of a living god.
- 00:15:11.231 --> 00:15:13.633
- The truth is breaking forth in the street.
- 00:15:13.633 --> 00:15:15.969
- Now we have to decide which path we're going to get on.
- 00:15:15.969 --> 00:15:18.805
- I choose to move with the lord. he's moving.
- 00:15:18.805 --> 00:15:20.974
- Yeah he is. and we have a front row seat now.
- 00:15:20.974 --> 00:15:23.577
- And you do as well. folks.
- 00:15:23.577 --> 00:15:25.178
- You want to hear more about
- 00:15:25.178 --> 00:15:26.279
- How god is moving in the world, in the seen and unseen
- 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:29.349
- Pick up angels, demons and new, the great new book
- 00:15:29.349 --> 00:15:32.185
- By our good friend pastor alan jackson.
- 00:15:32.185 --> 00:15:34.121
- And we'll see you every weeknight
- 00:15:34.121 --> 00:15:35.989
- Right here on alan jackson now on tbn.
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- God bless my friend. keep up the great work.
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- We'll see you again soon.
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- Coming up after the break, john eldridge with more on
- 00:15:40.894 --> 00:15:44.598
- How god is moving and how you can be a part of it.
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- That's next. stick around.
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- That's next. stick around.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight we are living
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- In the age of internet discipleship.
- 00:16:01.146 --> 00:16:04.182
- Far too many believers are being shaped more by social media
- 00:16:04.182 --> 00:16:08.286
- Than by scripture,
- 00:16:08.286 --> 00:16:09.587
- Discipled by algorithms instead of the holy spirit.
- 00:16:09.587 --> 00:16:13.858
- As a result, many have become addicted to distraction,
- 00:16:13.858 --> 00:16:18.096
- Desensitized by noise, and numb to the voice of god.
- 00:16:18.096 --> 00:16:22.534
- That's why bestselling author and counselor
- 00:16:22.534 --> 00:16:24.469
- John eldridge's latest book is so important experience.
- 00:16:24.469 --> 00:16:28.206
- Jesus really revives the lost path of the christian mystic
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- And reintroduces us to the power and presence
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- Of the living god.
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- John is also founder of wild at heart ministries.
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- Take a look.
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- John, it is great to see you.
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- Hey, you write that we are being shaped,
- 00:16:45.156 --> 00:16:47.292
- Many of us more by screens than by scripture.
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- John, break down why that's such a problem.
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- Yeah.
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- First off, i want to say it's not your fault, everybody.
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- This is the hour that you were born into.
- 00:16:59.104 --> 00:17:02.407
- But we are all disciples of the internet
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- Because every single day, all day
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- Long, you're looking stuff up.
- 00:17:06.744 --> 00:17:09.247
- And what we haven't realized is it is actually conditioning
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- Your soul against intimacy with god.
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- It makes us distracted.
- 00:17:18.289 --> 00:17:20.225
- It makes us really impatient because you get 3 million
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- Answers with a click.
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- And communion with god is not quite like that, is it?
- 00:17:25.797 --> 00:17:29.134
- And it makes us fear mystery
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- Because we think there's some sort of cover up.
- 00:17:32.637 --> 00:17:35.273
- But the saints of ages
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- Past would have told you that communion and intimacy
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- And mystery are essential to life in christ.
- 00:17:40.945 --> 00:17:45.450
- And so, yeah, we got to find a way back out of this.
- 00:17:45.450 --> 00:17:48.052
- Eric. yeah. john.
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- And you use the book, the word mystic frequently
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- Throughout the book.
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- Now, people might say, christian mystic.
- 00:17:54.192 --> 00:17:55.226
- What does that mean?
- 00:17:55.226 --> 00:17:55.960
- But again,
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- That's more about losing the wonder
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- How we've lost the wonder of god. right?
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- And getting back in touch with the amazing nature of god.
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- Talk more about that.
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- We have a very left brain approach to the christian life.
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- It's fact.
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- It's content.
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- It's information.
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- It's the latest research.
- 00:18:12.577 --> 00:18:14.712
- But god give you a right brain as well.
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- An entire right hemisphere.
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- And the right hemisphere is intuition.
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- It's actually relational.
- 00:18:21.786 --> 00:18:24.455
- And it's far more poetic and more into the mystery
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- Of the intimacy we can have with god.
- 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:31.196
- So when david says in psalm 63, i have seen you,
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- God, i've seen you, and i've beheld your beauty.
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- And then he says, your love is better than life.
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- He's described an actual encounter
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- With the living god, something that's
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- Meant to be normal for the rest of us.
- 00:18:48.246 --> 00:18:52.417
- And so, yeah, i am inviting people back
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- Into the ancient traditions of the christian mystics
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- Who had a very beautiful and very, very simple,
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- Rich relationship with jesus christ
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- Because they weren't
- 00:19:06.631 --> 00:19:07.865
- Disciples of the internet when a cell phone
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- Constantly in their hands.
- 00:19:10.168 --> 00:19:11.803
- Yeah. god says peace be still in john.
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- Great point.
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- Cell phone always in their hands.
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- Look, i have two generation z daughters.
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- So how do we break through all the clutter, the algorithms,
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- Social media,
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- And find that kind of intimate communion
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- With god that you're talking about
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- And that you write about in the book?
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- Yes. because we want to be people
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- Who are telling stories about god, like
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- Intimate stories, actual encounters with god.
- 00:19:34.692 --> 00:19:37.695
- And gen z, by the way, there is a revival
- 00:19:37.695 --> 00:19:40.832
- Breaking out among gen z, and they want the real thing.
- 00:19:40.832 --> 00:19:44.435
- They are looking for actual
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- Encounters with god churches that can do that.
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- Mentors that can do that.
- 00:19:50.475 --> 00:19:52.010
- So here's the here's the secret.
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- If you read the saints in the ages past, i'm talking
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- Martin luther, thomas aquinas, augustine, athanasius,
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- I mean great men and women of god.
- 00:20:01.619 --> 00:20:04.455
- They would tell you that learning the contemplative,
- 00:20:04.455 --> 00:20:08.459
- The quiet inner communion with christ, undistracted.
- 00:20:08.459 --> 00:20:13.631
- And it's very beautiful.
- 00:20:14.165 --> 00:20:15.566
- It's actually very simple.
- 00:20:15.566 --> 00:20:17.335
- We are not first looking for jesus in the heavens.
- 00:20:17.335 --> 00:20:21.739
- We are looking for the cry face to face.
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- Us three who dwells within us.
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- Because intimacy with christ
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- Is the gateway to experiences of the kingdom of god.
- 00:20:30.515 --> 00:20:34.385
- And as we cultivate that,
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- We will be people who have actual stories to tell.
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- And those stories are what will draw gen z and frankly,
- 00:20:39.991 --> 00:20:43.728
- Any age group to be curious about a new life with god.
- 00:20:43.728 --> 00:20:48.166
- I guess, john, at the end of the day,
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- This is also a form of spiritual warfare, right?
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- This is something
- 00:20:52.337 --> 00:20:53.404
- The overreliance and the obsession with technology.
- 00:20:53.404 --> 00:20:56.240
- The enemy can use that, right?
- 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:57.875
- We are in a battle and the battle is over intimacy.
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- Who gets to have your attention?
- 00:21:02.146 --> 00:21:05.350
- You see, and everyone's fighting for your attention.
- 00:21:05.350 --> 00:21:08.052
- But god won't shout.
- 00:21:08.052 --> 00:21:09.754
- We have to choose him and the fight.
- 00:21:09.754 --> 00:21:12.657
- The fight is for the intimacy, because that vine branch
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- Relationship is the epicenter of the christian life.
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- Without that, we have no power.
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- We have no story.
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- Amen. john. great stuff all around folks.
- 00:21:23.735 --> 00:21:25.870
- The book is called experience jesus. really?
- 00:21:25.870 --> 00:21:28.840
- You can pick it up amazon.com wherever books are sold.
- 00:21:28.840 --> 00:21:31.743
- Also check john out online.
- 00:21:31.743 --> 00:21:33.378
- Wild at heart for a great book.
- 00:21:33.378 --> 00:21:35.380
- By the way of the same name. wild at heart.
- 00:21:35.380 --> 00:21:37.281
- John. great stuff. such a timely book.
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- We appreciate it my friend. god bless you.
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- Keep up the great work.
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- Coming up, my final
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- Thoughts on the unseen battle and how we can win.
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- That's next.
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- Don't move.
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- Don't move.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight, folks.
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- As we wrap up, remember, as we heard
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- From our guest tonight, we're not just
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- Living in political times or cultural times.
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- We are living right now.
- 00:22:09.184 --> 00:22:10.719
- In bible times,
- 00:22:10.719 --> 00:22:12.154
- There is a very real battle happening around us.
- 00:22:12.154 --> 00:22:15.123
- The forces of darkness are active,
- 00:22:15.123 --> 00:22:17.426
- But so is the spirit of god.
- 00:22:17.426 --> 00:22:19.928
- Miracles still happen.
- 00:22:19.928 --> 00:22:21.663
- Angels still move, and the supernatural realm
- 00:22:21.663 --> 00:22:25.033
- Is not just a distant ancient biblical idea.
- 00:22:25.033 --> 00:22:28.203
- It's here now and more real than we often realize.
- 00:22:28.203 --> 00:22:32.207
- The question is, are we paying attention?
- 00:22:32.207 --> 00:22:35.510
- I think of the book of ephesians chapter six, verse 12,
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- Which says, our struggle is not against flesh and blood,
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- But against the rulers, against the authorities,
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- Against the powers of this dark world
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- And against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realm.
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- Let's be equipped and let's not be afraid,
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- Because greater is he who is in us than he who is in the world.
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