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Stakelbeck Tonight | Erick Stakelbeck: Turning of the Tide | Stakelbeck Tonight | May 25, 2026
- Welcome to stakelbeck tonight.
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- I'm erick stakelbeck and the conversation about god
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- Is back at a time when the culture has tried
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- To push faith to the margins.
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- Science and space
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- Exploration are pointing people back to a bigger question.
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- Was our universe designed by a creator?
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- As astronauts returned from historic
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- Missions and boldly proclaim their faith,
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- The heavens are once again declaring the glory of god
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- And people are taking notice.
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- What does it mean
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- When those who have seen the universe up close come back
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- More convinced than ever of the existence of god?
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- And is this a sign that the tide is turning?
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- I recently sat down with author and origins science
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- Expert david reeves, founding director of the wonder
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- Center and science museum, to get the inside story.
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- Take a look.
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- David, great to have you here with us, my friend.
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- Thanks for having.
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- Me, man. about time.
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- We've been wanting to do this for a while,
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- And i think the timing is great.
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- Hey, everyone's talking about god.
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- Science, space, which you know a lot about.
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- Artemis two recently landed back here on earth.
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- David.
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- That's at the top of the conversation right now.
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- A lot of people in victor glover, the one incredible,
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- Astronaut, proclaiming the gospel.
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- Just amazing to see that.
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- So a lot of people are talking about this.
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- What was your take on artemis to that mission
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- And how it showed god's presence beyond earth in the cosmos?
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- Well, since the start of the nasa
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- Missions, god has always been at the forefront.
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- He's always found a way to make himself evident.
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- Because if you go back to doctor wernher von braun,
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- Who sent the first people to the moon,
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- He said, a lot of people look at science
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- And religion as antagonists, but they're not their sisters.
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- Science tries
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- To better understand creation
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- And religion tries to better understand the creator.
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- And you can't have creation without a creator, right?
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- So the first mission to the moon that actually orbited
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- The moon, which was apollo eight,
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- This was on december 25th.
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- And they all of the astronauts took turns broadcasting back
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- To earth on every radio station imaginable.
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- Reading the book of genesis.
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- On christmas day? yes. over 25th. yeah.
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- And so?
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- So god has always been at the forefront of space exploration,
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- But this sort of atheistic curve took place
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- Over the years, where all of a sudden
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- It became intellectually cool to say
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- Nature is all that there is.
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- And now here we have christians
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- Who are going back to the moon just returning and saying, whoa!
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- Everything i see with space points back to god's design.
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- And it's interesting, eric,
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- That a lot of people will will go to the moon and look back,
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- And they realize
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- That the moon isn't as cool as they thought it would be.
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- They're looking back at the jewel of the earth
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- That they left, and they're saying, you know what?
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- We kind of have a special place, don't we?
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- Yeah, it's a unique. that's exciting.
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- It is.
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- Most of the general charlie duke,
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- He went to the moon as an atheist.
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- Apollo,
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- 16 came back and became a christian.
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- You've got,
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- Colonel jeff williams, who's another dear friend,
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- And he spent more time in space.
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- And i think all but one other american astronaut,
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- Brought bibles on there.
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- Read from the bible.
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- And now you have this mission going back to the moon
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- With the exact same mindset.
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- Yeah.
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- And coming back and proclaiming, you know, straightforward.
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- Hey, i'm a christian,
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- And i believe that everything is pointing back to god.
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- Yeah, this only strengthened it seems victor
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- Glover already had a very strong faith.
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- It's only strengthened
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- His faith, his biblical worldview,
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- To see that the heavens declare the glory of the lord.
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- Glory of god.
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- And it was interesting.
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- David, one of the other astronauts,
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- Said he wasn't really
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- A strong believer, perhaps,
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- But even he was profoundly affected by it.
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- Just seeing that feeling, the presence of god.
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- Do you see that in your work, oftentimes, david,
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- Where people they get an up close look, they a first hand
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- Experience of god's creation and it changes them.
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- Absolutely every day.
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- It changes them.
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- A lot of people who start out and they say, hey, well,
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- You know, i'm not so sure about this whole god thing.
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- And then they say, well, i think nature is all that there is.
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- Science has explained everything.
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- But what have you just done there?
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- You're saying that nature can explain everything,
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- So you've just elevated mother nature
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- To the position of its own god, right?
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- Its own deity, and then you're like, no, no, no.
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- Well, i'm not saying nature's all that there is.
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- You got survival of the fittest in nature,
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- But over time, anything can happen.
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- You know, the world just kind of happens.
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- Wait a second.
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- Now you've elevated mother nature and time as god's,
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- So it keeps stacking up to where
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- You get these pantheon of deities.
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- If you want to try to say
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- That this universe happened by accident.
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- Yeah.
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- And yet, scientific exploration in space
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- Is consistently pointing us back to design features, and design
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- Implies a designer.
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- And yet the theory of evolution
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- Has become gospel, no pun intended.
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- In the public school system.
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- In particular, you mentioned the shift
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- Happened, david, some time ago where god was uncool
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- In the scientific realm.
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- When exactly did that happen?
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- Evolution became accepted.
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- I mean, now, you know, by and large.
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- It became more accepted.
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- Evolution has been this sort of stronghold
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- Within the scientific community
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- Ever since the time of charles darwin,
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- Because peer pressure got involved.
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- And if you wanted to be
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- A good science, a scientist, a modern scientist,
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- Then you must follow whatever those teachings of
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- The top scientists were.
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- So it slowly had this curve of incline.
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- But then, even as it was growing in the mid 1800s,
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- You had people like charles spurgeon who said,
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- You know what?
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- I see the dangers of these evolutionary theories,
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- And i believe that a day will come
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- When children will laugh at it as being the most foolish notion
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- That ever came across the human mind.
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- We're seeing that day quickly approaching.
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- But we're talking about space.
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- We're talking about space exploration. and artemis two.
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- I see that this is actually going in a different direction.
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- I think that we're coming close to a day when evolution
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- Will be, disavowed as the cool thing.
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- But what is it going to be replaced with? probably not.
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- The bible is probably going to be replaced with aliens.
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- All right, well, the aliens did it.
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- Aliens seeded
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- Earth and aliens created everything we see and all.
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- So anything but the true god of the bible.
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- Yeah.
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- That's such a great point. yeah, it just couldn't be. god.
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- Anything but god never give the lord credit.
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- But does it actually explain anything?
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- No, no, because all you're doing is you're convenient.
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- Come up.
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- There is a law in science.
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- Now, this is where it gets tricky,
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- Because there is a law
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- In science that says that matter can neither be that energy,
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- Can neither be created nor destroyed.
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- That's the first law of thermodynamics.
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- This guy was fairly smart.
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- His name was, einstein.
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- He said out of them
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- He said, matter is just an expression of energy.
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- So therefore matter can neither be created nor destroyed.
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- That's within the natural world.
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- That's within the scientific, physical world.
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- You can't create matter.
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- You can only change its shape.
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- So if matter can't be created in the natural world
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- And everything around us, eric is made out of matter.
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- Then where did the matter come from?
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- Well, it actually must have come from a supernatural world.
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- Somebody outside of the universe who created it all.
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- Dinosaurs, fossils and the flood.
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- Are they all pointing back to scripture?
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- We dig into it with david reeves after the break.
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- We dig into it with david reeves after the break.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight,
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- Just outside nashville, tennessee,
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- Something extraordinary is happening.
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- A museum that's not just showcasing science,
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- But challenging everything we've been told about it.
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- What if the evidence all around us, from fossils to space,
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- Actually points back to the truth of scripture?
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- Here's more with david reeves.
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- He's got a great book, 21 verses backed by science.
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- Deep in your faith, folks.
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- A must read amazon.com wherever books are sold.
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- But i want to talk also about the wonder center
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- And science museum.
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- Yeah, they've been doing amazing work there
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- About 30 minutes outside of nashville.
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- We've been open just two years,
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- But you're growing by leaps and bounds.
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- Tell us, number one, why you started the museum.
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- And number two, people are probably wondering,
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- They're saying, hey, this guy's brilliant.
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- How did you get into this field as a christian in particular?
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- Absolutely. i was grown.
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- I grew up in a strong christian household,
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- But at eight years old, i'm digging in my backyard,
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- As young boys do, and i picked up a rock
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- And i was like, that's not a rock.
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- That's some kind of a fossil. i don't know what it is.
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- And so i went to barnes and noble
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- And i grabbed the kid's fossil identification god.
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- And i'm flipping through it,
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- And there's this fossil, and i'm like, that's it.
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- What is it?
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- Well, it was a deep sea marine creature called a crying noid.
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- And i'm in tennessee in my backyard near nashville,
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- And i'm looking around and i'm like, whoa, where's the sea?
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- You know, i'm not anywhere near the ocean.
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- I kept digging a little bit further.
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- Found corals, found seashells, found bivalves,
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- Kept finding all of these sea creatures in my backyard in.
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- Tennessee. in tennessee. which is landlocked, obviously.
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- It's completely landlocked.
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- Wow. and and i'm like, maybe this is actual evidence
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- Of biblical history being true, because i do read
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- That, you know, there was a lot of water
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- Like a flood in the past, and maybe this is evidence of it.
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- So i snuck that in a fishing tackle box and it
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- You know, at nine years old, i had collected
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- Way too many fossils in my backyard
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- To fit in that little fishing tackle box.
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- And i'm looking around and i said, i need a bigger box.
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- So i dug in a bigger box and i would drag my friends over
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- And i would say, the bible is true. god is real.
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- You have to look at all these things
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- That i'm finding in my backyard.
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- Well, that was at nine.
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- But i never imagined that one day
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- I would have a much bigger box to display those things in.
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- So two years ago, just over two years ago,
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- We opened up the largest science museum in tennessee,
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- The wonders center and science museum,
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- Which has since become
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- The largest science museum in the entire world.
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- With any type of a biblical framework,
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- You're not going to go through the whole of astronomy,
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- Wonders of astronomy in the wonder center,
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- In science museum, and say, oh, you see this rock from space?
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- You are just star stuff.
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- No. instead you're going to consistently
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- See you are fearfully and wonderfully made.
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- You are made in god's image. you are not an animal.
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- You're not an accident of the cosmos.
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- You have purpose.
- 00:10:55.779 --> 00:10:57.047
- And of course, david, you were unpacking this
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- On your great show here on tbn for about nine seasons.
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- I think creation in the 21st century.
- 00:11:00.650 --> 00:11:02.452
- So what you're doing here at the museum is amazing.
- 00:11:02.452 --> 00:11:04.988
- Hey, my curiosity is killing me, and i've got you.
- 00:11:04.988 --> 00:11:07.491
- I've got the man to talk about this.
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- You mentioned dinosaurs.
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- Yes, you mentioned noah's ark.
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- A lot of people will say, well,
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- There's no evidence for a flood.
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- It's all just a fairy tale.
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- Even though other sources, extra biblical sources
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- Also talk about a great flood. absolutely.
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- And people say bible dinosaurs doesn't match up.
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- How do you respond to those two?
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- They're probably two of the most hot button issues, i guess.
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- Right?
- 00:11:28.011 --> 00:11:28.411
- When people
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- Assail the word of god for not having any scientific validity.
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- Yeah.
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- And you mentioned that other cultures have flood legends.
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- Yeah. they're abundant.
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- I'm talking
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- About hundreds of cultures have these flood legends,
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- And they're usually are like, people get on a boat,
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- They put in some animals, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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- But then you read genesis six and you start to read,
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- Wait a second.
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- This is not just like people went on a boat.
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- This is the dimensions of the ark.
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- This is how old noah was when he got on
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- How long the rains lasted, where they landed.
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- Extreme specific detail two, two of these kinds of animals,
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- But seven of these kinds of animals.
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- And all of those details read like a history book.
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- They don't read like a legend.
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- So, number one, you have that contrast with
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- All cultures pointing to a flood but not having any details.
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- And here we have the biblical account having detail,
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- And then you have the abundance within the fossil record
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- Of where i lead dinosaur digs.
- 00:12:23.533 --> 00:12:25.702
- I lead family paleontology digs to places like kansas,
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- Where we dig up bones of massive creatures.
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- Some of them are marine predators that are over
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- 50ft long.
- 00:12:35.745 --> 00:12:37.013
- Things like most sars and tyler sars
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- That were dragons in the deep.
- 00:12:40.183 --> 00:12:42.853
- And these things kind of match the description of there's
- 00:12:42.853 --> 00:12:46.156
- A creature in the bible called leviathan so fierce
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- That none dare stir him up.
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- You know,
- 00:12:51.628 --> 00:12:52.529
- This is something that you could throw
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- Spears at him and it would bounce right off.
- 00:12:53.496 --> 00:12:55.332
- And people said, it's just a fairy tale.
- 00:12:55.332 --> 00:12:57.400
- We're digging them up.
- 00:12:57.400 --> 00:12:58.668
- And then you have another creature in kansas.
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- In kansas. of all places. exactly. yeah.
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- Which, again, they're marine creatures
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- In the middle of landlocked kansas. exactly.
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- All secularist would say.
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- Well, david,
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- There was a lot of
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- A lot of water over kansas at some point in the past,
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- But it must have been just little local floods. it.
- 00:13:13.850 --> 00:13:16.052
- No, no, this was something catastrophic.
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- Yes. clearly.
- 00:13:18.221 --> 00:13:19.189
- So then you had this other
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- Creature, and i mentioned this in 21 verses backed by science.
- 00:13:20.757 --> 00:13:24.561
- You have this other creature called behemoth. yes.
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- And if you read the
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- The description in the book of job
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- Of this creature called behemoth, it says, okay,
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- So this is a creature that is the chief
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- Among all beast that yahweh has created, right?
- 00:13:35.872 --> 00:13:39.042
- This is like this incredible creature, this massive.
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- It's got a lot of strength
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- In its loins, its forces in the navel of its belly.
- 00:13:43.847 --> 00:13:46.983
- Its bones are like bars of iron, and it eats grass like an ox.
- 00:13:46.983 --> 00:13:51.888
- And so you're saying, eric.
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- Okay, well,
- 00:13:53.123 --> 00:13:54.190
- Maybe it's an elephant because it's a big creature.
- 00:13:54.190 --> 00:13:56.359
- It's the most massive land creature.
- 00:13:56.359 --> 00:13:58.361
- Got a lot of strength in its belly, eats grass,
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- But it sways its tail like a cedar tree.
- 00:14:01.364 --> 00:14:04.734
- And here's where it gets crazy.
- 00:14:04.734 --> 00:14:06.503
- Because we could go two directions with this.
- 00:14:06.503 --> 00:14:09.439
- We could say we don't know of any creature alive
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- That moves its tail like a tree.
- 00:14:13.076 --> 00:14:15.745
- So therefore the bible is a bunch of fairy tales.
- 00:14:15.745 --> 00:14:19.049
- Or we could say we don't know of any creature alive
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- That moves its tail like a tree.
- 00:14:22.352 --> 00:14:24.587
- So therefore we haven't found that creature yet.
- 00:14:24.587 --> 00:14:26.790
- Yeah, and that's what they could say about 200 years ago.
- 00:14:26.790 --> 00:14:29.993
- That's true intellectual curiosity.
- 00:14:29.993 --> 00:14:32.095
- It is. yeah.
- 00:14:32.095 --> 00:14:33.563
- And 200 years ago, they started to find creatures
- 00:14:33.563 --> 00:14:37.667
- That were sometimes over 100ft long.
- 00:14:37.667 --> 00:14:40.036
- Now we're finding them in argentina and colorado and utah
- 00:14:40.036 --> 00:14:44.140
- And all these places across the world, over 100ft
- 00:14:44.140 --> 00:14:47.310
- Long, massive bones like bars of iron.
- 00:14:47.310 --> 00:14:51.614
- These are long necked sauropod dinosaurs.
- 00:14:51.614 --> 00:14:54.384
- They had feet like elephant.
- 00:14:54.384 --> 00:14:56.219
- They had the most tremendous strength in their belly.
- 00:14:56.219 --> 00:14:59.089
- And they had tails as big as trees that could
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- Sway back and forth.
- 00:15:02.625 --> 00:15:03.660
- Those are the kind of discoveries, cutting edge
- 00:15:04.627 --> 00:15:06.896
- Discoveries that we are now finding using science.
- 00:15:06.896 --> 00:15:10.667
- Real science.
- 00:15:10.667 --> 00:15:11.735
- I don't need to to confirm what god's word says.
- 00:15:11.735 --> 00:15:16.373
- I'm a christian, okay?
- 00:15:16.373 --> 00:15:17.674
- I believe that it's going to be 100%
- 00:15:17.674 --> 00:15:20.710
- True scientifically, historically, prophetically.
- 00:15:20.710 --> 00:15:23.980
- And when it comes to the gospel, right? yeah.
- 00:15:23.980 --> 00:15:26.416
- But at the same time, it sure is an affirmation.
- 00:15:26.416 --> 00:15:29.319
- It sure is a strength builder.
- 00:15:29.319 --> 00:15:31.221
- Yes. when we find these kind of things, if.
- 00:15:31.221 --> 00:15:33.289
- Well said david, it's very satisfying.
- 00:15:33.289 --> 00:15:35.291
- And for nonbelievers, look,
- 00:15:35.291 --> 00:15:36.559
- Some people need to be intellectually convinced
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- Before they have that heart given over to jesus.
- 00:15:38.461 --> 00:15:41.097
- And this is huge in that regard.
- 00:15:41.097 --> 00:15:42.432
- I think biblical archeology as well.
- 00:15:42.432 --> 00:15:44.034
- David, i know you've talked about that a bit.
- 00:15:44.034 --> 00:15:45.902
- What about the incredible discoveries
- 00:15:45.902 --> 00:15:47.337
- We're seeing in israel and throughout the middle east,
- 00:15:47.337 --> 00:15:49.406
- And the affirming of the bible we're seeing there, too.
- 00:15:49.406 --> 00:15:52.075
- Pretty amazing to see that play up more and more.
- 00:15:52.075 --> 00:15:53.810
- By the way, since the dead sea scrolls, it seems
- 00:15:53.810 --> 00:15:56.112
- Things have gone to overdrive.
- 00:15:56.112 --> 00:15:57.380
- They have.
- 00:15:57.380 --> 00:15:58.615
- I mean, we're talking about you had those initial discoveries.
- 00:15:58.615 --> 00:16:00.750
- You had the dead sea scrolls, you had the pontius
- 00:16:00.750 --> 00:16:02.752
- Pilot inscription, you had this, you had that.
- 00:16:02.752 --> 00:16:04.954
- And then so much has opened up to where you can't
- 00:16:04.954 --> 00:16:09.426
- Put a spade in the ground without finding something new.
- 00:16:09.426 --> 00:16:12.962
- And i.
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- Erik, i know you're very passionate about it.
- 00:16:13.997 --> 00:16:15.498
- I've been to israel about a dozen times.
- 00:16:15.498 --> 00:16:17.600
- I've,
- 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:18.802
- You know, i've personally been on excavations when we
- 00:16:18.802 --> 00:16:21.738
- We pull out this,
- 00:16:21.738 --> 00:16:22.939
- This little seal, this little glass cylinder seal
- 00:16:22.939 --> 00:16:26.509
- Where, you know, oh, there's an impression on this.
- 00:16:26.509 --> 00:16:29.446
- And if you impress it over hot wax,
- 00:16:29.446 --> 00:16:31.981
- It makes the
- 00:16:31.981 --> 00:16:33.083
- Impression of the moon god sin, which comes from haran,
- 00:16:33.083 --> 00:16:36.453
- Which is where abraham came out of. right.
- 00:16:36.453 --> 00:16:38.354
- And it's this pagan god, this worship.
- 00:16:38.354 --> 00:16:40.790
- But yeah, but this seal doesn't come from the time of abraham.
- 00:16:40.790 --> 00:16:43.760
- No, it comes from the time of king solomon.
- 00:16:43.760 --> 00:16:46.696
- And guess what?
- 00:16:46.696 --> 00:16:47.497
- We read in god's word,
- 00:16:47.497 --> 00:16:48.932
- It says that solomon at his time in jerusalem, started
- 00:16:48.932 --> 00:16:53.036
- Letting the worship of pagan gods lost get out of hand.
- 00:16:53.036 --> 00:16:56.339
- He lost his way, no doubt.
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- Coming up,
- 00:16:59.542 --> 00:17:00.477
- I is advancing at breakneck speed, and now
- 00:17:00.477 --> 00:17:03.713
- We're hearing talk of bringing extinct creatures back to life.
- 00:17:03.713 --> 00:17:07.851
- So where does this all lead?
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- More with david reeves after the break.
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- Don't move.
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- Don't move.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight.
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- From archeological discoveries in israel
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- To artificial intelligence and the growing moral questions
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- Surrounding genetic engineering and playing god.
- 00:17:27.070 --> 00:17:30.940
- David reeves is covering some of the most controversial
- 00:17:30.940 --> 00:17:34.010
- Subjects of our time in depth.
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- Take a look.
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- Exciting time.
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- Some would say a perilous time because of fear.
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- Some time, a little bit.
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- We're not to have a spirit of fear, of course, but i.
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- Yes, huge issue.
- 00:17:46.222 --> 00:17:47.524
- I know you've been kind of delving into that as well.
- 00:17:47.524 --> 00:17:49.559
- And these attempts also to create hybrids
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- Out of extinct animals, direwolves, wooly mammoths,
- 00:17:53.029 --> 00:17:56.199
- That's on the table, apparently bringing them back
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- Into existence.
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- Let's talk first about ai concerns,
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- Optimism a lot going on there.
- 00:18:03.606 --> 00:18:05.575
- Obviously there's a there are a ton of reservations obviously.
- 00:18:05.575 --> 00:18:10.180
- Yeah.
- 00:18:10.180 --> 00:18:11.014
- But what i was doing is so powerful.
- 00:18:11.014 --> 00:18:13.082
- I have friends and colleagues in the scientific community
- 00:18:13.082 --> 00:18:16.719
- Who are using ai to analyze micro bacteria
- 00:18:16.719 --> 00:18:20.924
- And actually identify it in
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- Microseconds, compared to teams working around the clock.
- 00:18:22.425 --> 00:18:26.563
- Right.
- 00:18:26.763 --> 00:18:27.564
- So what it's going to do
- 00:18:27.564 --> 00:18:28.565
- Is it's going to allow scientific progression
- 00:18:28.565 --> 00:18:31.501
- At a much faster rate than we've ever had before.
- 00:18:31.501 --> 00:18:34.504
- And scientific progression is good
- 00:18:34.504 --> 00:18:36.439
- Because the more we discover in science, the more it's going
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- To point us back to the creator or the designer of everything.
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- So i'm enthusiastic about that.
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- Yeah.
- 00:18:45.815 --> 00:18:46.983
- Now you have jurassic park, and in all of these movies
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- That are showing, you know, dinosaurs coming back to life,
- 00:18:50.253 --> 00:18:53.957
- Well, it's true that we've been somehow
- 00:18:53.957 --> 00:18:56.893
- Somewhat able to recreate the direwolf.
- 00:18:56.893 --> 00:18:59.229
- Yeah. how is that possible?
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- Is possible because we have dogs.
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- We have large dogs and wolves today.
- 00:19:03.833 --> 00:19:06.469
- And direwolves were just much, much larger,
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- Much, much lighter types of wolves.
- 00:19:09.172 --> 00:19:12.342
- So if you can extract microscopic amounts
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- Of dna, enough base pairs to start
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- To create a sequence for ancient direwolves,
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- Then you can insert those into modern day
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- Wolves and dogs and recreate it.
- 00:19:24.721 --> 00:19:27.790
- So it's possible. and it's being done.
- 00:19:27.790 --> 00:19:29.859
- Man playing god it is.
- 00:19:29.859 --> 00:19:31.961
- If it's a little scary in that, in that direction.
- 00:19:31.961 --> 00:19:35.431
- But i'm still enthusiastic even about that.
- 00:19:36.366 --> 00:19:38.801
- Let's go to the wooly mammoth for a second.
- 00:19:38.801 --> 00:19:41.471
- Because i lead african photo safaris families.
- 00:19:41.471 --> 00:19:45.308
- I'll take them out for 11 days in south africa, book out
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- Private reserves, let them touch elephants,
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- And you can feel that they have this coarse hair.
- 00:19:52.649 --> 00:19:56.052
- The african elephants are so much larger than anything.
- 00:19:56.052 --> 00:19:59.155
- Largest land animal alive.
- 00:19:59.155 --> 00:20:01.157
- And so you're feeling them and you're like,
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- Well, they have this coarse hair.
- 00:20:02.592 --> 00:20:04.727
- So we have elephants, we have large
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- Elephants that have hair today.
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- And we are able to extract dna from, wooly mammoths
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- Or mastodons in siberia as we pull them out of the ice.
- 00:20:13.569 --> 00:20:17.106
- So it's very theoretically possible
- 00:20:17.106 --> 00:20:19.108
- That we could bring back the wooly mammoth or the mastodon.
- 00:20:19.108 --> 00:20:22.545
- And again, is it playing god?
- 00:20:22.545 --> 00:20:24.247
- Maybe, but it's still a big elephant.
- 00:20:24.247 --> 00:20:27.550
- It's just a hairy elephant
- 00:20:27.550 --> 00:20:29.285
- When you get to the term of dinosaurs.
- 00:20:29.285 --> 00:20:31.287
- Now, here's where it gets crazier,
- 00:20:31.287 --> 00:20:33.256
- Because in paleontology today, we are taught that
- 00:20:33.256 --> 00:20:37.360
- Dinosaurs didn't go extinct, that they got much smaller.
- 00:20:37.360 --> 00:20:41.264
- They sprouted wings and flew off as chickens.
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- So your t rex this.
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- What is this?
- 00:20:46.569 --> 00:20:47.970
- It sounds crazy.
- 00:20:47.970 --> 00:20:49.505
- It sounds like a fairy tale, but it's taught as fact.
- 00:20:49.505 --> 00:20:52.742
- But here's the truth of the matter.
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- We don't have dinosaurs today.
- 00:20:54.877 --> 00:20:56.379
- We don't have counterparts of dinosaurs that are still living.
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- Those things have mostly gone extinct.
- 00:21:00.249 --> 00:21:02.952
- So there's no way that jurassic park is possible.
- 00:21:02.952 --> 00:21:06.789
- But here's where it gets scary.
- 00:21:06.789 --> 00:21:09.492
- If we go with the secularist interpretation
- 00:21:09.492 --> 00:21:11.761
- That everything is just all evolved from one single
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- Celled organism, and therefore dinosaurs
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- Are nothing more than large chickens, you know?
- 00:21:16.132 --> 00:21:18.434
- Then how do we recreate dinosaurs?
- 00:21:18.434 --> 00:21:21.003
- We extract dinosaur dna,
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- Just like you see in those movies,
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- And then we insert it in an ostrich.
- 00:21:24.574 --> 00:21:26.943
- But whoa,
- 00:21:26.943 --> 00:21:28.144
- There's a huge difference between an ostrich and a t-rex.
- 00:21:28.144 --> 00:21:31.781
- So when you start playing god and putting different kinds
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- Of animals together, those types of hybrids,
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- There's no telling the consequences.
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- And that's only possible.
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- That's only
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- We would only attempt that because of an atheistic ideology
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- That is perpetuated the scientific community.
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- David, this was fascinating, my friend.
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- The wonder center and science museum, great place.
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- Two summers right around the corner.
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- Absolutely great vacation spot, my friend.
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- 21 verses backed by science.
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- David reeves doing a great job. we loved it, man.
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- We gotta do it again soon. have a great day.
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- Thanks for having me. thank you. thanks for all you doing.
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- God bless day. we appreciate. god bless. good job.
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- Folks, what a powerful conversation with david
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- Reeves on science, faith and biblical truth.
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- Again, check out the wonder center
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- And science museum outside nashville.
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- It is an amazing place. up next.
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- My final thoughts.
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- My final thoughts.
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- Welcome back to stakelbeck tonight, folks.
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- As we wrap up tonight, it's pretty clear
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- That whether we're looking at the depths of the oceans,
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- The fossils beneath our feet,
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- Or the vastness of space creation is speaking.
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- The question is, are we listening?
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- The bible tells us in psalm 19 that the heavens
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- Declare the glory of god.
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- The skies proclaim the work of his hands
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- From the smallest detail to the grandest design.
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- Everything points back to a creator
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- Who made us with purpose.
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- In a world that often tells you
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- That you're an accident, that you're
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- Just the product of time and chance.
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- Remember this.
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- You are fearfully and wonderfully made.
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- You were created on purpose, for a purpose,
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- And that truth changes everything.
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- Thanks for joining us for the special memorial day
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- Edition of stackelberg tonight.
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- Until next time, god bless you and we'll see you soon.
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