Stand With Israel: Rooted in Biblical Truth Episode

Stand With Israel: Rooted in Biblical Truth

March 20, 2025 | S

Erick Stakelbeck leads a powerful and uplifting discussion on the current state of Israel, focusing on the pivotal events of October 7th. This inspiring program features an expert panel, including Mati Shoshani, Yair Pinto, Joel Rosenberg, Tal Heinrich, Rabbi Jason Sobel, Daniah Greenberg, and Huckabee, joining remotely in his new role as Ambassador.

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Stand With Israel: Rooted in Biblical Truth | Stand With Israel: Rooted in Biblical Truth | March 20, 2025

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- shalom.
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Coming up next, we're joining our friends in the us
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To share why standing with israel matters now
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More than ever.
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- since october 7th, israel has faced
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Unimaginable challenges to our land and our communities,
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Including the devastation of our beautiful forests.
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- we're gonna share stories of resilience and renewal,
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And how you can make a real impact
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In rebuilding all that was lost.
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- let's turn it over to our friend erick stakelbeck,
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The one and only.
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- welcome to "stand with israel",
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Rooted in biblical blessings.
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I'm erick stakelbeck and today we're taking a journey
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Into the heart and soul of israel,
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A land rich in history, courage, and unwavering faith.
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We'll break down the challenges israel faces today
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In the wake of the october 7th attack,
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And we'll hear powerful firsthand accounts
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From those on the front lines.
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We're honored to have an incredible panel of guests
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Joining us, including rabbi jason sobel,
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Governor mike huckabee,
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Former congresswoman michele bachmann,
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Joel rosenberg, and mati shoshani and yair pinto
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From our tbn israel team.
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They're unique, on the ground insights will show you
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The spiritual significance for christians
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Of standing with israel
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And why the world's one and only jewish state
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Matters to you.
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Coming up a bit later in the show,
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We'll also have the inspiring music
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Of messianic recording artist, shae wilbur.
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So, stay with us as we reveal the biblical blessings
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That come when we stand with israel.
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He's been a tireless advocate for israel,
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And more than anyone, governor mike huckabee
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Has educated americans about the importance
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Of the us-israel relationship.
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His deep commitment to israel security
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And his understanding of the biblical blessings
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That come with it made him a natural choice
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For president trump to be, god willing,
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The next us ambassador to israel.
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Governor huckabee joins us now.
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Gov, always great to see you.
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And hey, when we talk about the us-israel relationship,
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The importance of it,
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I see the united states as being blessed
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More than any nation in the history of the world.
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And governor, do you think a big part of that
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Is because of our historical support for israel
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And the jewish people?
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- erick, there is no doubt in my mind
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That it's very much a part of it.
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All we gotta do is read genesis 12.
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God made it very clear,
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"those who bless israel will be blessed
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And those who curse israel will be cursed."
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I don't know about you,
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But i'd kind of rather be on the blessing side of things.
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And i believe that particularly
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With the policies of president trump,
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Who has been the most pro-israel president
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In all of history,
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We're in line for some blessings.
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And i really believe that.
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I know there are people who say,
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"well, but that was a different time
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And those promises and things are the old testament.
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They don't matter."
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Well, they do matter to me
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Because i believe the book, from genesis through revelation,
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Is inspired and fallible in aaron.
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And like most of us who are bible believers,
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We don't go through the editing process
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And decide which parts we like and don't.
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- believe god has given us these mandates and promises
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And we accept them and we thank god for them.
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- yeah, amen.
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Gov, you've had a longstanding love affair
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With the land of israel and the jewish people
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Going back decades.
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You've been to israel many times.
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What first drew you to israel?
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Why visit israel in the first place?
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- i first went in 1973, almost 52 years ago.
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I was 17.
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I was a month away from my 18th birthday,
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Had just finished high school.
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But erick, when i got to israel,
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It was something that happened.
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It was magnetic.
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And i know now it was completely a spiritual connection,
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But i felt that i had a sense of belonging
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To this place i'd never been before.
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It was uncanny, but that's how god works.
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My spirit bore witness with the spirit of god
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When i was there.
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And i've been going back ever since.
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I started taking groups of people in 1981
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And have been back probably close to a 100 times
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Over the past 52 years.
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So, you know, when people ask me my views of israel, i say,
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Look, it doesn't come from a college class
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Or from a textbook or from some group of authors
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Who've written about it.
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It comes from firsthand having walked through its land
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From dan to beersheba multiple times
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And personally seeing it.
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- yeah, governor, and as you can attest, it never gets old.
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No matter how many times you go back
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To the holy land, it never gets old.
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You discover something new every time.
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Talk about the security importance
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Of the us-israel relationship.
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As believers, we have that biblical mandate
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To stand with israel, but just plain common sense
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In the natural, standing with israel
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Is also a pretty good idea.
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- you know, erick, even if there wasn't a biblical mandate
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And if the scriptures were silent completely about israel
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And the jewish people, i would come to the conclusion
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Just from a geopolitical perspective
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That our alliance with israel is incredibly important,
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Not just to israel like a lot of americans may think,
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But as you well know from your many trips there,
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It is also incredibly valuable to the united states.
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And here's why.
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First of all, militarily, we share
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An enormous level of technology, of intelligence,
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Of shared ideas, of armaments.
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Much of the israeli military capacity
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Is actually manufactured in the united states.
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So there's a real partnership there.
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It is vital to the us for this relationship we have.
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But the level of intelligence that we get
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For all of our interest in the entire middle east,
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A lot of it comes from
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The extraordinary intelligence capacities
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That exist in israel.
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And then there's the technology that is not military
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Or has anything to do with intelligence.
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Let's talk about medical technology.
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Procedures that we take for granted here in the us
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Were actually developed in israel.
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The heart stent that may have saved
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Some of the lives of relatives, of people watching us.
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The camera that one can swallow
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And allows the doctor to see inside one's intestines
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Developed at hadassah medical in jerusalem.
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I mean, you can go on and on, but one thing i would add,
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If someone likes their cell phone,
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They better thank israel for it,
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Because the sim card was created in israel.
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- yeah.
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Governor, these are great reminders.
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I don't know that the average american,
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Even the average christian realizes
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How much israel has blessed the world.
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There's a reason so many nobel prize winners
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Have been jewish and from the land of israel.
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As you said, the list goes on.
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Speaking of blessing israel, you're about to serve
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In an administration that i believe, governor,
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May be the most pro-israel administration
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In american history.
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I see yourself, i see marco rubio, secretary of state,
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Mike waltz, national security advisor,
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Elise stefanik at the un,
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And of course, president trump himself.
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- it is an incredibly exciting time
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And i cannot be more, i guess just grateful,
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Grateful to god, and then grateful to president trump
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For giving me what i believe is an extraordinary opportunity
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To serve my country and my president,
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And frankly, to serve god in this capacity.
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And i really do believe it is a calling from above.
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But here's what i think we can start looking forward to.
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The president has assembled a team
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That are all on the same page when it comes to
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Our alliance with israel.
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That's important.
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- when we talk about standing with israel,
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That's the theme of this program.
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Saudi arabia, other arab nations
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Coming into the fold of the abraham accords.
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It seems everything is possible right now.
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- i think it is and part of the reason is.
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- as the outlier of all of this is iran,
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And the president has reinstated
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The maximum pressure sanctions on iran
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That he had in the first term, that joe biden took away.
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Taking those sanctions away meant iran had money.
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They funded the houthis, hezbollah, and hamas.
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Now that money is dwindling
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And the rest of the middle east would like peace
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And we have a real opportunity to see it.
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And i'm praying that we will and it will be historic.
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- yeah. amazing times.
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And you will have a front row seat for it.
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My friend, governor mike huckabee.
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Governor, thank you so much.
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Former governor of arkansas,
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Future us ambassador to israel very soon, god willing.
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Gov, thanks so much. god bless.
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We'll see you again soon.
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And, folks, with so much noise
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And misinformation out there,
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It's more important now than ever
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To get firsthand on the ground reporting from israel.
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That's exactly what "boots on the ground" delivers.
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Real stories, real insights straight from the very heart
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Of the holy land.
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Let's take a look, and when we come back,
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The co-hosts of tbn's "boots on the ground,"
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Yair pinto and mati shoshani,
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Will join us here on set.
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(dramatic music)
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(tense dramatic music)
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- israel faced an unprecedented escalation.
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- israel has been on high alert.
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- what's left of hamas is trembling with fear.
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This is the 31st day in the gaza-israel war.
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11th day.
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This is day 2.
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- join us every week, we'll be on the front lines
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Delivering reliable real-time updates.
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- don't miss "boots on the ground" for the facts
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That you can trust.
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(tense dramatic music)
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- and we are joined now by the co-hosts
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Of "boots on the ground" right here on tbn.
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Mati shoshani, yair pinto are with us here
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In studio in texas.
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I'm usually with you both in jerusalem,
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In the land of israel,
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But great to have you here on this side of the pond.
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- good to be with you. - yes.
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And, guys, we're talking about standing with israel,
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The necessity, biblically of course, to stand with israel,
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But just in a natural common sense way.
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You've both served in the idf in the reserves
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Recently in the midst of this war
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That israel's fighting on seven fronts.
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Can you talk about the role israel plays, gentlemen,
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As the first line of defense for all of us here in the west?
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Yair, i'll start with you then mati.
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I'd love to get your thoughts as well.
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- yeah, definitely, erick.
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In this year, we've seen,
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I mean, unimaginable hate against israel
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From seven different fronts.
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Talking about hamas, we're talking about hezbollah,
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Iranian militias in iraq and syria.
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We're talking about the houthis.
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Who have heard about the houthis before this war started?
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And all of these guys vow to destroy israel,
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But not only israel, they are chanting death to israel,
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Curse the jews, but also death to america.
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- yes. - okay.
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Every time it's always starting with the jews
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And then it goes to the christians around the world
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Because this is a spiritual wall
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And we are standing on the side of the god of abraham,
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Of isaac, - yeah.
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- and of jacob.
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And we need to unite in prayer
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Because it's the only way to fight a spiritual wall.
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- yeah. - so, i mean,
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We've been fighting this wall physically
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And we've been winning. - yeah.
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- the idf is strong. we are winning hamas.
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We have won hezbollah, syria collapsed.
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It's a new middle east.
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- yeah. - okay.
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But the enemy is still strong
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And is still trying to carry out attacks against israel
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And against the west at large.
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So this is the time really to step up
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And stand with israel in prayer,
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- yeah. - in action.
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And support the people of israel during this time.
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Because we're united. - yeah.
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- we learned that the enemies of israel are the enemies
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Of the united states and the west at large.
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- yeah, yair, very well said.
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America's enemies, israel's enemies, one and the same.
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And mati, by the way, folks,
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They are hammering this point home on "boots on the ground,"
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Seen here every week on tbn
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And also the tbn israel youtube channel.
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Guys, congrats. over 1.1 million subscribers.
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- mm-hmm. - and that's for good reason.
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Mati shoshani,
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You know the us-israel relationship very well.
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Can you dig deeper a bit into that?
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How israel, again, we are very blessed
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And fortunate here in the united states
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To have such a great ally in the middle
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Of the world's most chaotic region,
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Fighting the good fight really ultimately, mati.
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I think not only for the people of israel,
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- mm-hmm. - but for the free world.
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- yes. i think that's a wonderful question.
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One, we're blessed to have an ally like the us.
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Let's be honest here.
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It existed.
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Whatever government is in office in the white house,
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We have a good relationship.
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Now that trump is in office,
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It's been an amazing, amazing relationship.
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For the first time ever, i believe,
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Israel's having to play catch up
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With a us administration who's more hawkish
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And more supportive of us than we are
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Of ourselves. (yair and erick laughs)
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So it's a unique position to be in.
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I say on multiple levels.
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One, we felt the love.
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We felt the love from the us administration
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Throughout this war.
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- from the us people,
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But more so i think it was a moment
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Of waking up for everyone involved.
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For the israeli people of
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How crucial our place in the world is,
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And how much we have to fight for what god promised us.
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We forgot that we needed to fight for it.
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We forgot that it was required to suffer
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For what was given to you.
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And then we were woken up on the morning
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Of october 7th, 2023 to reality
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That brought us back to where we are in the world.
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We're a unique miracle embedded in the middle east.
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And then we found out that we weren't alone.
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First was president biden, now its president trump
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That stood with us in a way
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That you couldn't ask for anything more.
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I mean, they stood with us in the toughest of times,
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In the most strong way possible.
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And even to this day, we can see that.
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And i'd say it's more than just the government.
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It's also the people of the us.
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Yair and myself have encountered countless people
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Throughout the last 15 months of this war.
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And almost everyone we meet says one thing to us.
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What you see in the news doesn't represent what the people
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Of america think of israel.
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They love us, they care for us, they pray with us.
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We see it in the comments of our youtube channel.
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We see it everywhere we go.
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I think that matters more than anything
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And more so it's one more important thing.
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It reminded israelis of who they are and why we're here.
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And it reminded americans that you sometimes have
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To stand up for what's right
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Because in the past policy, you know,
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As politics, we don't wanna talk about it.
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The palestinians, the jews, let them do their thing.
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It's so apparent now that there's a good
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And a bad in this story.
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That it pulled people out of sort of their comfort spot
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And forced them to respond
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And say, "look, come on guys, clearly,
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Evidently this is evil.
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Stand against it.
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Clearly this is good. let's stand with it."
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So in that sense, finally we're at this place
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Where the united states and israel can unify together
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And bring in good to the world.
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This is sort of the next step for the middle east
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In opening up something positive
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For the region that isn't death, that isn't destruction,
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That isn't iran and its proxies.
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So i think we're in a really unique place today.
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- yeah amen.
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Mati well said and gentlemen, really unique place mati.
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You said it.
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A golden opportunity here for peace
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To break out in the middle east.
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Imagine that from gaza, a saudi normalization deal,
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Iran and dealing with that existential threat.
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It's all on the table right now.
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I wanted to ask you both and look an encouraging time mati
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As you just said, but i wanted
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To ask you both about the challenges as well.
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This show is stand with israel, how we can pray for israel,
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Our prayer warriors, our intercessors,
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Tbn viewers around the world.
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Can you both talk about,
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And look, you've both sacrificed, you're
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Both family men,
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You left your families from months on end to fight,
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To defend the nation of israel.
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You have little ones at home.
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Can you both talk about some of the challenges
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That the people of israel are facing right now?
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I'd like to hear both your take yair and mati.
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Yair if you wanna share.
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- sure, yeah, definitely.
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Let me just explain a little bit from my
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Personal experience.
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Imagine, it was a saturday on october 7th,
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And i was called to fight in the army
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After hamas launched a terrorist attack against the state
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Of israel and murdering thousands
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And kidnapping hundreds into the gaza strip.
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I had to leave my wife with three kids
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At home for four months.
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Mati did the seven months at the first round
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Of the idf because all of us in israel, we have a job.
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We have a career in the civilian life.
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And we have also another job as part of the idf.
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I'm a tank platoon commander.
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I mean, that's my kind of my military profession.
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And i will be an officer until the age of 50 now.
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That was extended by the way, it used to be 45.
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- i saw that. yes.
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- so, all of us have this dual life,
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But it has an effect on the family.
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And when people ask me, how can i pray for israel?
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Okay, the usual response is, pray for the soldiers
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That are risking their lives.
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Pray for the government, for the leadership,
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For the economic situation.
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But i say pray for the families that are back at home.
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Pray for the wives that are standing with the children alone
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For months without the emotional support,
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Without the physical support.
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And they need also to deal with all the stresses
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That go to the children of the people of israel
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In this world.
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Imagine, you know, rockets on a weekly basis.
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My children-
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- bomb shelters. - knows how to run
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Into a bomb shelter when they hear a siren.
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It's not normal.
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- it's not normal. - you know, and every time
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I leave my daughter even coming here to the states,
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She hugged me and said, "daddy, don't leave me
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And promise me you're coming back soon."
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And this like brings back memories from the time
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That i would go home for 48 hours
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After being in the gaza strip for a few weeks in this war,
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And then just, you know, coming home
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For a day or a day and a half.
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- yeah i hear it's post-traumatic
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Stress all around,
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And mati, i mean, i think the average american watching
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Probably can't wrap their heads around this.
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Both of you leaving your families,
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I mean seven months mati serving your country.
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Hey, you've got a career,
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You've got a family at home, you've got a lot going.
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And yet you answer the call.
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And everyone in israel has to do this to defend the nation.
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Israel is the size of the state of new jersey.
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Can you talk more about the sacrifice that the people
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Of israel met, whether men, women.
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- deserves younger people, everyone,
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And i love this about israel, guys, everyone chips in.
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It truly is one big family, one big tribe standing together.
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- i think the incredible miracle of this war is twofold.
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The failure and the loss that we experienced on october 7th
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Was catastrophic in the sense that our government
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And our army failed, and we need to be honest about it.
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We failed big time in the most public way possible.
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And as much as the government and the institutions failed,
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The public and the people were successful.
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And i think that's really the miracle.
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Every time that there was a vacuum
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That was created by the wrong decision,
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On the morning of october 7th,
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Countless citizens ran down to the gaza strip to fight
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With handguns in support,
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Soldiers on reserve went down to fight.
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People, when we went into the reserves,
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The army, like, again, was not expecting
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To recruit this many people.
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The civilian population came in incredible numbers
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And amounts to bring us everything that was needed,
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To the point where
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I joke about the fact that we're gaining weight in reserves
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'cause people keep feeding us all the time,
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Which is true, by the way.
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(eric chuckles)
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- i still have boxers from the military.
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- so do i.
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- service and socks that people gave me.
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- [eric] that people gave you, yeah.
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- so the civilian population recruited itself,
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But this isn't a war of choice for us.
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And i think this is important,
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We chose as a people not to respond with fear,
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But to respond with strength and with resilience
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To the situation.
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You don't have to do that, that was our choice.
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But we didn't choose to fight this war,
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We were fighting a war of self-defense.
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And the sacrifice is huge,
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And i don't wanna mince words with it,
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I'm about to hit 300 days in reserves since october 7th.
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I'm currently in reserves.
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Again, and it's not because i enjoy doing this more than i,
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I enjoy my life much more when i'm out in the army.
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But we have to defend our country.
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- [eric] you have no choice.
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- the choice is not to do it,
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But it's our god-given country
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And myself and everyone else in the country,
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Most people, at least we know that we're there for a reason.
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And we know that it's something worth fighting for
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And we want to get it back.
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We're not planning to lose the country
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Because we're afraid or tired or, and we're not.
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I'd say the miracle of this war
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Is the fact that we've been awoken
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To the reality of the life we live in
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And responded with strength and resilience and faith
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In our country.
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And it's been a response across the board.
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Yes, there's a price to pay, yes, there's trauma.
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Yes, there's pain,
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Yes, there's been financial,
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You know serious damage to the country on every level.
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I wanna end on a positive note though.
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- [eric] yeah.
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- people watch these kind of things
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And they say, "well, what can i do?"
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- yes. - and there is an answer.
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- yeah.
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- you can support the state of israel
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And every person around the world,
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Whatever they're doing, has a way to do it.
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They can comment on social media posts,
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They can talk to people,
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They can educate, they can share content
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That you create or we create.
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But they can even do more than that,
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They can get on a plane and come to israel,
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Tour the country, leave money behind.
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And i miss that, this is my personal opinion.
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We're lacking the presence
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Of our brothers and sisters from abroad.
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- yeah. - and we want people,
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See people come back to the country.
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We want the sense of normalcy in the land.
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- [eric] flights are starting back up now.
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- yeah, flights are starting again.
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We need that sense of normalcy,
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We need that flow of people, our brothers and sisters
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To come and support us in the land.
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Have a vacation in israel, travel to israel,
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Do business with israel.
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Get back a sense of normalcy for the middle east.
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The biggest win for everyone in the middle east
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Will be normalcy, peace, and a better future
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Especially for the people in the arab countries.
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So if you're asking yourself,
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How do we face the evil of iran?
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How do we face the proxy war?
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- yeah. - forget them for a second.
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- yeah. - let the american army
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And let the israeli army take care of them.
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What you need to do
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Is make sure there's a better future
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For the people of the region.
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That's the biggest thing, pray for it, love it, support it,
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Donate to it,
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Anything that you can do
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To make sure that good is the thing that prevails
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In the middle east.
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- mati great stuff, what great points,
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Yair, it seems like the god of israel
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Is moving in a visible, tangible way.
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- yeah, listen, i'll tell you something
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That i learned from this war.
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In the past, god did amazing miracles,
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Taking the people of israel out of egypt,
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But god is doing even bigger miracles today.
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We are fighting seven different fronts,
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Millions, millions more people
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Than what we have in the state
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And we are winning.
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Not because the idf is strong,
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Not because we have amazing army or anything else,
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Just because god is faithful to the people of israel,
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To the promises, to the people of israel.
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And he will be faithful to each and every one of you
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Watching back home, wherever,
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In whatever that you struggle in your lives.
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And this is the message of this whole,
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I mean, war i think.
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God is sending a message,
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"i am with the people of israel
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Because i'm a faithful god to everyone around the world."
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So just look at israel
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If you need encouragement in your life.
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- yes.
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- preach it, yair.
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- yes, amen, brother.
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Hey, the god of israel is going ahead of his people,
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It's amazing to watch, miraculous.
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Can't thank you guys enough,
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You guys are an inspiration to us, folks.
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If you want more of this inspiration
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And wisdom from mati and yair,
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Be sure to check out "boots on the ground"
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Right here on tbn every thursday night.
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Great stuff guys, thanks again.
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- yeah, yeah, guys,
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And don't forget to watch eric stakelbeck
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On "stakelbeck tonight" every night, monday through friday,
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Right here on tbn.
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Eric's bringing you the hard hitting truth from israel,
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The middle east, and the stories.
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- that actually matter, so don't miss it
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- since october 7th, 2023
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War has devastated israel, with relentless missile attacks
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That have destroyed communities.
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- folks in these critical times, staying informed
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And standing firm with israel has never been more important.
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Each week on the rosenberg report,
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Joel rosenberg provides a closeup view
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Of the latest events unfolding in this volatile region
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And why it matters to you.
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With his unique insights and a biblical perspective,
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Joel brings clarity to the headlines and encouragement
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To those who stand with israel.
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Now let's take a look and when we come back,
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Joel rosenberg and former congresswoman michele bachmann
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Will be with us.
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- welcome to "the rosenberg report."
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I'll take you to the front line in the most dramatic episode
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In the history of this program.
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This is where the hostages were held.
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Let's go in.
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I'll show you the terror going through
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A live rocket (indistinct).
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- jewish people have a divine right to exist.
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- this is sacred ground.
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- as believers, we are called to bless israel.
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Stand with israel.
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- i'll be providing full coverage day by day,
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Moment by moment, hour by hour,
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Right here on "the rosenberg report."
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- joining us now, two of the most powerful voices
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In the conversation surrounding israel are good friends,
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Michele bachmann and joel rosenberg.
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Michele, of course, is a former congresswoman
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And she's now the dean of the robertson school
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Of government at the great regent university.
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Joel, of course, is host of "the rosenberg report."
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Great to be with both of you.
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- great to be with you erick. - yeah,
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And let's start with michele, ladies first
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And michele bachmann, look, we are at quite a time,
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I think in the us israel relationship.
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You have been a chief proponent of that relationship
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Over the years, but it seems right now, michele,
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We have a golden opportunity
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To not only advance the us israel relationship,
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But to advance the kingdom of god right now.
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- erick, you're right.
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And we have the best relationship ever.
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And this is not by coincidence, i think the audience needs
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To realize we're in a divine moment
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That's unique in history.
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And when you look at the most pro-israel american
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Administration we've ever had in our government,
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Then you look at the members of of the government in israel,
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We now have a moment when you can have a meeting
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Of the minds between our two nations.
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We're both covenant nations.
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And so i think, that's not lost on us,
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That i see both leaders of these nations
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Actively moving forward in a biblical manner.
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And in the united states, we have an opportunity
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For blessing like never before
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Because when we as a nation bless,
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Individuals can bless israel,
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But when we as a nation bless israel,
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Then our nation receives blessings coming back.
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So i'm very excited because this is an administration
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That loves israel and seeks her best interest,
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But does so from a biblical perspective.
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I've never seen anything like it
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And i'm really excited about the months and the years ahead.
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- yeah, michele, great points all around
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And a key point there,
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Does the body of christ recognize
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The moment we're in right now?
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This is a special, special moment when god is moving.
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Michele, you're witnessing it from here in the states
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And in israel frequently.
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Joel, you're based in jerusalem, the epicenter,
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Quite literally as you've called it.
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What's the sense in israel right now of not only, okay,
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Obviously a great administration in dc,
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A pro-israel administration,
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But is there a sense of a move of god
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In the land of israel right now?
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- first, i would say israelis are breathing a sigh
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Of relief, a huge sigh of relief
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That kamala harris did not win the presidency,
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That donald trump did.
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Kamala harris was a known entity.
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She had been part of an administration
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That had tied israel's hand behind its back
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While we were trying to wage a war against on seven fronts.
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- [eric] yeah.
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- prime minister netanyahu was not allowed,
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Not invited to the white house for the entire war
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By president biden and kamala harris.
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Kamala harris wouldn't even show up
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When prime minister netanyahu
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Addressed a joint session of congress.
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President trump, first foreign leader invited
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Is benjamin netanyahu, and, you know,
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Ending the arms embargoes on israel
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And giving not just moral support,
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But actual the anger that president trump has shown
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Towards how the bibas boys were murdered,
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Strangled by palestinian terrorists,
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And the way the emaciated terrorists have come out.
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So there is a sense of a, you know,
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I don't mean to reference
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The trump assassination near attempt,
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But god blessed and protected the president,
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And israel feels like a bullet was dodged
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By trump winning because he's so all in.
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Now, in terms of the spiritual dynamic,
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Israelis are more interested in talking about god,
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The bible, and some about yeshua,
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About jesus than ever before.
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Israelis are rattled.
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I think we're in a amos 9:9 moment.
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Prophetically, god said that in the last days, he said,
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"i will shake the whole house of israel among the nations."
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I don't believe that israel's under judgment,
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That it wasn't judgment that october 7th
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Or the war since has been a part of.
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I do think god has sovereignly allowed it to happen.
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It was a satanic attack by demon possessed people
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To shake the house of israel
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Because most israelis have forgotten or don't care
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That there's a shepherd in israel.
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That the lord is my shepherd, right?
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The greatest king in israel's history wrote this.
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Most israelis have forgotten it.
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The problem is when you forget or ignore
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That god is the shepherd of israel,
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What you're really ignoring also
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Is that there are ravenous wolves
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Roaming the countryside trying to devour it.
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And a lot of israelis now, some religious israelis,
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Are so angry at god.
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How could you let this happen?
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Other secular israelis, even traditional israelis are like,
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Maybe we've forgotten god.
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Maybe this is why this happened.
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Maybe we need to start tracking in.
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So there's a lot of ferment going on right now.
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- yeah, it's a fascinating time, and joel, great firsthand
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On the ground accounts there from you.
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Michele, speaking of on the ground, when we talk about
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Your longstanding relationship with israel,
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You've accomplished so much in your career,
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But it seems that israel is so near and dear to your heart.
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Tell us about what first drew you as a christian
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To the world's one and only jewish state?
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- well, really, it was a visit to israel.
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It was right after the yom kippur war.
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That was 1973, and i had just come to jesus christ
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As a young teenager, and our local young life youth group
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Decided to take a trip.
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This was very unusual back in the early '70s
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Because israel was a third world country then.
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So 17 of us from minneapolis, st. paul, minnesota area
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Went to israel, and believe it or not,
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We went to live and work at kibbutz be'eri.
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So it was a very unglamorous, non-glamorous time.
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We were there picking weeds and cotton fields,
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I was scrubbing pots in the kitchen,
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And it changed my life forever.
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It was my first time to go to israel, my eyes were opened.
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As a believer in jesus christ,
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I knew that israel was a part of the biblical story,
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But what i saw were two things and it was first of all
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That israel was my spiritual home too as a christian.
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This is my spiritual home.
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But the second thing is i knew that god was real,
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I'd received jesus christ into my life,
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But i knew that the bible was real
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In a way that i couldn't have known any other way
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Because in 3d form i was in israel, i was seeing the sights,
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I was seeing where abraham had built altars,
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And where david and goliath had their war.
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We could actually go and see these places,
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And so for me, when i went back to the united states,
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I had such a hunger and thirst for the word
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That as a kid in high school,
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I'd set my alarm for five o'clock in the morning
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So i could get up and read the bible
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Because i knew how vital this was in my life.
00:32:41.983 --> 00:32:45.119
It was living, it was active, it was more relevant
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.322
Than any other thing that i could do
00:32:48.322 --> 00:32:50.591
To be immersed in the word
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And the power of the living word in my own life.
00:32:52.827 --> 00:32:55.963
And so then as god put a calling in my life for government,
00:32:55.963 --> 00:32:59.367
I saw the power of the living word in geopolitical events,
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Both as prophetically the word was playing out
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In the land of israel and really across the world,
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But what i saw more than anything, eric,
00:33:13.281 --> 00:33:15.483
Is that the power of what god began with
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In the book of genesis,
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The covenant that god created a people
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Through abraham, isaac, jacob, and their descendants,
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And that the covenant consisted of a particular people.
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- who are connected to a particular land,
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Genesis 15:18, the biblical land
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That god's covenant story would be laid out in.
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That all comes together in a way that impacts
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Every viewer that's watching us, that impacted me
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Because god's covenant,
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A certain people living in a certain land
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Was meant to be a blessing to all families on earth.
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- amen. - and in a blessed
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And profound ways,
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Particularly because of messiah
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That would come through this people in that land
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And fulfill the redemptive story
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That god has for each family on earth.
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- michelle, what an incredible testimony.
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Thank you for sharing, number one.
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Folks, number two, michelle is doing great work
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With our good friends at the jerusalem prayer breakfast.
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You wanna check them out as well.
00:34:19.547 --> 00:34:21.249
And joel, we talk about standing with israel.
00:34:21.249 --> 00:34:23.117
You're standing in israel,
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You were so moved by your connection to israel
00:34:24.619 --> 00:34:26.687
And the jewish people,
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Of course, you are a jewish believer in jesus,
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That you moved, you made aliyah, you went up to israel.
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What drew you to actually living in the land?
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- you know, after teaching the prophecies for decades,
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The lord said, "okay, it's time."
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And i said, "time for what?"
00:34:41.969 --> 00:34:44.305
This was inaudible, nut in my spirit, i just,
00:34:44.305 --> 00:34:46.641
I knew the spirit was saying,
00:34:46.641 --> 00:34:48.276
"it's time to get ready to move your family
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And become citizens of israel."
00:34:50.244 --> 00:34:52.013
Over the years, by god's mercies,
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We've invested more than &100,000,000
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Into the epicenter to strengthen the church,
00:34:56.284 --> 00:34:59.387
Care for the poor and needy, widows in office,
00:34:59.387 --> 00:35:02.089
And educate the church worldwide
00:35:02.723 --> 00:35:04.692
About god's heart for israel and the neighbors.
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But i actually was confused like,
00:35:06.327 --> 00:35:08.729
"lord, you want me to live there?
00:35:08.729 --> 00:35:11.666
Okay, i'd love to."
00:35:11.666 --> 00:35:12.967
But i really thought that there was gonna be
00:35:12.967 --> 00:35:14.468
So much opposition as a jewish believer in jesus
00:35:14.468 --> 00:35:17.205
Who's fairly googleable on the topic
00:35:17.205 --> 00:35:19.874
Of both jews and muslims
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And everybody needing to know jesus.
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And so, i didn't think it was possible.
00:35:23.844 --> 00:35:26.781
And the lord said, you know, "yalla, yalla."
00:35:26.781 --> 00:35:29.550
That's actually arabic for let's go.
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- let's go, let's do it. - so we started the process.
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We were told, you're gonna be told no,
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You're gonna be stamped no,
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And then you're gonna have to litigate.
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But no, the lord,
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Within two months of handing in our last piece of paperwork,
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We got our citizenship.
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And we now have two sons
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That have served in the israeli defense forces.
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They're serving in ministry in israel right now,
00:35:50.338 --> 00:35:55.676
And we're serving in ministry there as you know,
00:35:56.677 --> 00:35:58.312
Both the joshua fund, but also the tbn show,
00:35:58.312 --> 00:36:01.582
As well as our all israel news and all arab news websites
00:36:01.582 --> 00:36:05.686
Because the education of the church worldwide
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About what's really happening in israel and why it matters
00:36:09.257 --> 00:36:12.493
And how to understand what's happening
00:36:12.493 --> 00:36:13.995
And how to be involved.
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It's been incredibly sobering to be able to be right there
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With our people in the midst of it.
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- yeah joel, you're doing amazing on the groundwork.
00:36:20.901 --> 00:36:21.969
And joel and michelle,
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I love this conversation because we know you
00:36:23.271 --> 00:36:25.239
As two of the foremost commentators and analysts
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.309
On all things geopolitical,
00:36:28.309 --> 00:36:29.944
The state of play in israel and the middle east.
00:36:29.944 --> 00:36:31.746
But i love this conversation
00:36:31.746 --> 00:36:33.047
Because you just both shared your hearts,
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And that's awesome, it's inspiring.
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I think for our viewers to see people of your stature
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And why you love israel so much.
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I can't think of a better way to close out this conversation
00:36:41.489 --> 00:36:44.558
Than having the one and only
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Our good friend michelle bachman, take us out in prayer.
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Michelle, can you say a quick prayer for us before we close?
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- amen.
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Oh, father, you are the king of the universe,
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But lord, you are also the god of israel.
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So i pray, oh, father,
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That you would manifest your blessings
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Over all families on earth,
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Through your covenant, through your people in the land.
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So lord give us your perspective.
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And we pray for the peace of jerusalem,
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The only city you call, command us to pray for.
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We pray for the peace of jerusalem
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And for your will to be done on earth,
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Even as it is in heaven.
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In your mighty name we pray, amen.
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- amen. - amen.
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Amen. michelle, thank you so much.
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Keep up the great work at regent university
00:37:28.803 --> 00:37:30.971
And everything you're doing,
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Michelle, we will see you again soon.
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God bless you.
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Joel, god bless you too, my friend,
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We'll catch you on the rosenberg report.
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And after the break,
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We'll be joined by another good friend of tbn
00:37:38.979 --> 00:37:41.182
Rabbi jason sobel,
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And we'll also hear great music
00:37:42.550 --> 00:37:44.852
From messianic recording artist shea wilbur.
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It's so important to stand with israel
00:37:47.855 --> 00:37:49.924
During these challenging times,
00:37:49.924 --> 00:37:51.726
As the nation faces challenges on every front.
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It's more important than ever to maintain
00:37:54.595 --> 00:37:56.564
Our steadfast support for god's holy land.
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With the relentless missile attacks
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That have destroyed communities.
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(screen whooshes) (gentle music)
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- welcome back to our "tbn" special, "stand with israel."
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Throughout history, israel has been
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At the center of god's divine plan,
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A land where prophecy unfolds and his promises endure.
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Joining us now is rabbi jason sobel,
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Founder of fusion global,
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Who beautifully bridges jewish heritage
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And christian faith.
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Rabbi's insights will shed light
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On the deeper biblical foundations
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That help our understanding of israel
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And its importance for all of us today.
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Rabbi, always great to see you.
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- shalom, it's always wonderful to be with you.
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- it is my friend, and hey, you are,
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When it comes to scriptural backing for supporting israel,
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You are the man who we turn to.
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Rabbi, keep it simple at first,
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Can you give anyone at home who says,
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"well, israel, that was thousands of years ago,
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Why do i need to care today?"
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Can you give some scriptural,
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Key scriptural verses and passages,
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That show us, that implore us,
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To stand with israel and the jewish people?
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- yeah, absolutely, i mean,
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You know, one of the key passages is genesis 12,
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Where god says, "i will bless those who bless you
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And curse those who curse you,"
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So there is a blessing
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For those that bless israel and the jewish people.
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And then genesis 12 goes to a next level in genesis 15.
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It's known as the covenant between the parts,
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And god puts abraham to sleep,
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And his presence passes between the parts of a sacrifice
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And god reaffirms the covenant,
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And that's important
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Because abraham was sleeping, he was passive.
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Usually when you make a covenant in ancient times,
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Both parties walk between the parts,
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And together agree to mutual covenantal stipulations.
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But what that tells us is that
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This was an unconditional, everlasting covenant.
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"whether israel is faithful or not faithful,
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God will be faithful,"
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And i think this ties into what paul writes
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In the new testament in romans 9, 10, and 11,
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Where god says,
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Where paul says, talking about god's faithfulness to israel,
00:40:49.737 --> 00:40:53.440
That all israel will be saved,
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That there even to this day is a remnant who believe.
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And so he continues that promise
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That god is not done with israel.
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And you have passages like ezekiel 37,
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A key passage, valley of the dry bones,
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Where god says to ezekiel, "can these bones live?"
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And the bones begin to shake and come back together,
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And that's a promise of the restoration
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Of israel to their land.
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In 1948, we began to see that prophecy
00:41:22.236 --> 00:41:25.539
Beginning to be fulfilled.
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So, clearly we could go into many more prophecies,
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Pray for the peace of jerusalem, many passages,
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But clearly it's something that's on god's heart,
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And i think even the fact
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That jesus wept over jerusalem, "jerusalem, jerusalem,"
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And his heart broke over the city,
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And what broke his heart should break our heart as well.
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- yes, if israel is important to god almighty,
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Then it should be very important to us, rabbi.
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- absolutely. - great point.
00:41:56.937 --> 00:41:58.305
Can you talk more about
00:41:58.305 --> 00:41:59.673
The miraculous nature of israel's rebirth in 1948?
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Whoever heard of such a thing,
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As isaiah said, "for a nation to be born in a day."
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Rabbi, i think sometimes we lose sight of
00:42:08.949 --> 00:42:11.285
Just how miraculous the restoration of israel,
00:42:11.285 --> 00:42:14.421
The nation's state of israel was in 1948.
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- on every single level.
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I think there's a lot of people's theology
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Changed (chuckles) after 1948,
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Because you're talking, you know,
00:42:24.765 --> 00:42:27.167
A small number of jewish people
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In comparison to the number of the arab populations
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Of the nations that were surrounding them.
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They had really no modern military equipment,
00:42:35.142 --> 00:42:37.911
Everyone thought that israel was gonna be wiped out,
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Thrown into the sea.
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- and this was out of the ashes of the holocaust, rabbi,
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Just a few years after the holocaust.
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The jewish state is reborn against all odds,
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As you said. - against all odds.
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And you can hear the accounts of so many israeli soldiers
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About angels showing up and miraculous stories.
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Like, i met an idf soldier
00:42:59.366 --> 00:43:01.035
Who told me that they were fighting,
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And they were totally surrounded,
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And all of a sudden the arab soldiers put down their weapons
00:43:06.674 --> 00:43:09.643
And ran and then surrendered,
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And they're like, "why did you surrender?"
00:43:11.412 --> 00:43:13.113
They're like, "didn't you see all those soldiers in white?"
00:43:13.113 --> 00:43:16.717
And they were angels. (chuckles)
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Right, you know, and you're also talking about
00:43:19.887 --> 00:43:22.723
The rebirth of modern hebrew.
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There's never been a language that has been a dead language,
00:43:24.958 --> 00:43:27.795
Meaning it was only used for prayer and study,
00:43:27.795 --> 00:43:29.963
It was not spoken,
00:43:29.963 --> 00:43:31.532
Only dead language to be reborn as a living modern language.
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Again, talking about the prophecies
00:43:36.170 --> 00:43:38.972
And scriptures that the desert would bloom.
00:43:38.972 --> 00:43:41.108
When you read mark twain
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And his journey through the promised land,
00:43:42.476 --> 00:43:44.745
He said it was barren, it was desolate, it was a wasteland.
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And then today,
00:43:48.315 --> 00:43:50.284
Israel has a surplus of agriculture, exporting,
00:43:50.284 --> 00:43:54.521
You know, produce to the rest of the world.
00:43:54.521 --> 00:43:57.291
So, literally, in every single way
00:43:57.291 --> 00:43:59.960
In technology, startup nation,
00:43:59.960 --> 00:44:02.496
All of these things, absolutely miraculous.
00:44:02.496 --> 00:44:05.299
And, in fact, one general from
00:44:05.299 --> 00:44:08.869
The west point said,
00:44:09.336 --> 00:44:10.637
"we don't study some of the wars of israel,
00:44:10.637 --> 00:44:13.340
Like the war of independence
00:44:13.340 --> 00:44:14.708
Because we can't study the miraculous." (laughing)
00:44:14.708 --> 00:44:18.245
- and i think it was david ben-gurion,
00:44:18.245 --> 00:44:19.480
The former prime minister, rabbi, who said,
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:21.014
"to believe in israel, you must believe in miracles."
00:44:21.014 --> 00:44:24.084
Just amazing on all levels.
00:44:24.084 --> 00:44:26.754
God moving clearly in 1948 and today.
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- rabbi, against all odds as you just laid out,
00:44:31.492 --> 00:44:32.860
Israel continues to not only survive, but thrive.
00:44:32.860 --> 00:44:36.230
Can you talk about how israel
00:44:36.230 --> 00:44:38.098
Is the prophetic centerpiece for god?
00:44:38.098 --> 00:44:41.869
Some people have called israel
00:44:41.869 --> 00:44:43.570
God's prophetic time clock.
00:44:43.570 --> 00:44:45.939
Jesus isn't returning to washington, berlin, tokyo,
00:44:45.939 --> 00:44:49.576
He's coming back to jerusalem.
00:44:49.576 --> 00:44:51.411
Can you dig into that more
00:44:51.411 --> 00:44:52.946
As we're explaining to people why israel matters to you,
00:44:52.946 --> 00:44:55.616
To every believer, no matter where you live?
00:44:55.616 --> 00:44:58.252
- yeah, absolutely.
00:44:58.252 --> 00:44:59.353
I mean, clearly we know from acts 2
00:44:59.353 --> 00:45:02.990
That yeshua jesus ascends to heaven
00:45:02.990 --> 00:45:05.893
From the mount of olives,
00:45:05.893 --> 00:45:07.494
And he says his feet is going to descend in the same place
00:45:07.494 --> 00:45:10.964
In fulfillment of the prophecy in zechariah 14,
00:45:10.964 --> 00:45:14.401
Which it says, the feet of the messiah
00:45:14.401 --> 00:45:15.969
Will stand on the mount of olives on that day.
00:45:15.969 --> 00:45:20.107
And so clearly, israel is at the center of prophecy.
00:45:20.107 --> 00:45:25.445
We know that the bible tells us that in the end of days,
00:45:26.580 --> 00:45:29.550
There is going to be all these,
00:45:29.550 --> 00:45:31.618
All the nations are going to come against israel.
00:45:31.618 --> 00:45:34.321
That's part of the preparation for the second coming.
00:45:34.321 --> 00:45:38.091
There's going to be a rebuilt temple in jerusalem.
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And so when you read all the prophecies, clearly,
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Jerusalem is at the center of it all.
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And just think about it for a moment.
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It doesn't make sense
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Why the entire world is focused on a conflict
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In the middle east with a nation
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That is smaller than the size of new jersey.
00:46:04.451 --> 00:46:07.487
And there's so much focus, so much emphasis on israel,
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More than any of the conflicts around the world.
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- [erick] obsession. - obsession, right?
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.628
The media's obsession. - yeah.
00:46:14.628 --> 00:46:16.997
- why? because it's the holy land.
00:46:16.997 --> 00:46:19.466
- [erick] true. - it's a spiritual issue.
00:46:19.466 --> 00:46:21.702
It's the only thing that makes sense.
00:46:21.702 --> 00:46:23.604
- rabbi, can you talk more about that?
00:46:23.604 --> 00:46:24.938
That is such a great point.
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It's a demonic obsession and hatred.
00:46:26.173 --> 00:46:29.610
The devil hates what god loves.
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He loves israel. the jewish people, they're his chosen.
00:46:31.945 --> 00:46:34.581
Can you talk more about the spiritual nature
00:46:34.581 --> 00:46:36.717
Of what we saw on october 7th
00:46:36.717 --> 00:46:38.552
And what we're seeing right now unfold?
00:46:38.552 --> 00:46:40.420
I mean, look, as you mentioned,
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Israel, less than the size of the state of new jersey,
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Less than 1% of the world's population is jewish.
00:46:44.491 --> 00:46:47.494
And yet, this absolute obsession by evil forces
00:46:47.494 --> 00:46:51.298
With israel and the jewish people.
00:46:51.298 --> 00:46:53.267
It's a spiritual thing, it seems to me.
00:46:53.267 --> 00:46:55.602
- yeah, absolutely.
00:46:55.602 --> 00:46:57.070
I think there's a few different ways to look at it.
00:46:57.070 --> 00:46:58.472
I think first of all, satan is the original og.
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He's the original gangster.
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And it's kind of like the mafia.
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If we can't get to you, we'll get to your family.
00:47:05.445 --> 00:47:09.583
And so obviously, satan can't attack god,
00:47:09.583 --> 00:47:14.087
But he can attack physically god's chosen people.
00:47:14.087 --> 00:47:16.957
And part of the reason why he wants to attack israel
00:47:16.957 --> 00:47:18.959
And the jewish people is because israel is central
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To all the events concerning the end times
00:47:22.996 --> 00:47:26.433
And the return of the lord.
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So if you can attack the jewish people,
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Wipe them out as a state,
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Then either you can prove that god is a liar,
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That he can't keep his promises,
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Or you can delay the second coming
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Because the jewish people have to be in the land
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:43.350
Dwelling securely before there is a rise of the anti-christ.
00:47:43.350 --> 00:47:48.355
And so all of this is demonic.
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And in part, it's also to cause the hearts
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Of the jewish people to turn away from god
00:47:53.894 --> 00:47:56.496
Because of the pain and the suffering
00:47:56.496 --> 00:47:58.565
That they experience as a result of all of these things.
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Which again, the jewish people have to receive
00:48:02.369 --> 00:48:04.371
Yeshua jesus as the messiah.
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That's part of this great spiritual awakening
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That has to happen in connection to the second coming.
00:48:09.843 --> 00:48:12.512
So for all these reasons, there is this spiritual attack
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Against the jewish people. - wow.
00:48:15.215 --> 00:48:17.451
Rabbi, we want you to take us out in prayer,
00:48:17.451 --> 00:48:19.086
But real quick before we do,
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The relationship between jesus yeshua
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And the nation of israel.
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This was a proud jew, our savior.
00:48:25.959 --> 00:48:28.095
He loved his people, he loved his land, right?
00:48:28.095 --> 00:48:30.797
- that's right. i mean, jesus lived as a faithful jew.
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He died as an azerban jew.
00:48:35.068 --> 00:48:37.537
And people say, "well, jesus was jewish."
00:48:37.537 --> 00:48:39.906
No, that's actually wrong.
00:48:39.906 --> 00:48:41.775
Jesus wasn't jewish. jesus is jewish.
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(both laughing)
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He's still jewish. he's still the son of david.
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- [erick] he's on the throne. - he's still seated
00:48:47.948 --> 00:48:49.649
On the throne, okay? - [erick] love it.
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- it's not in the past tense.
00:48:51.318 --> 00:48:52.986
And really what people don't sometimes think about
00:48:52.986 --> 00:48:55.188
Is that the incarnation, when god takes on flesh and blood,
00:48:55.188 --> 00:48:59.059
He takes on jewish flesh and blood from the tribe of judah.
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That means that the incarnation was an intensification
00:49:03.597 --> 00:49:08.268
Of god's love and commitment to the history,
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Destiny, and salvation of the jewish people.
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If god was done with the jewish people,
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He wouldn't have come as a jew.
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He wouldn't be reigning as the king of israel,
00:49:19.446 --> 00:49:21.581
As well as the king of the world on the throne.
00:49:21.581 --> 00:49:24.985
And so there is coming a day when israel will recognize,
00:49:24.985 --> 00:49:28.822
The jewish people will recognize that he is the one
00:49:28.822 --> 00:49:31.058
Moses and the prophets has spoken of
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And we hope that day will come speedily and soon.
00:49:33.126 --> 00:49:35.896
And that's why it's so important for christians
00:49:35.896 --> 00:49:39.066
To stand with israel, to bless israel,
00:49:39.066 --> 00:49:41.535
To support israel and pray for israel,
00:49:41.535 --> 00:49:45.038
But especially to stand with the messianic jews,
00:49:45.038 --> 00:49:49.176
With the jewish believers in the land
00:49:49.176 --> 00:49:51.745
Because there's a lot of christians.
00:49:51.745 --> 00:49:53.313
It's great to bless jewish organizations,
00:49:53.313 --> 00:49:56.550
But sometimes we forget that the deepest level of connection
00:49:56.550 --> 00:50:00.754
Is between jewish and gentile believers in messiah yeshua.
00:50:00.754 --> 00:50:04.958
- rabbi jason, well said as always.
00:50:04.958 --> 00:50:06.726
Can you take us out in prayer?
00:50:06.726 --> 00:50:08.895
- absolutely.
00:50:08.895 --> 00:50:10.397
Abba father, we just want to thank you for your promise
00:50:10.397 --> 00:50:13.066
That you will bless those who bless israel.
00:50:13.066 --> 00:50:15.802
You will curse those who curse israel.
00:50:15.802 --> 00:50:18.238
And so i pray for all of my friends
00:50:18.238 --> 00:50:20.240
That are watching that they love you.
00:50:20.240 --> 00:50:22.609
They love the jewish messiah jesus.
00:50:22.609 --> 00:50:25.212
They love israel.
00:50:25.212 --> 00:50:26.746
And i just pray now
00:50:26.746 --> 00:50:28.215
That even as you have been faithful to the jewish-
00:50:28.215 --> 00:50:31.118
- and you have kept your promise.
00:50:31.852 --> 00:50:32.953
It is a sign of encouragement
00:50:32.953 --> 00:50:34.521
That you'll be faithful to everyone who is watching.
00:50:34.521 --> 00:50:38.692
And so i just wanna pray this prayer over them.
00:50:38.692 --> 00:50:41.728
(rabbi jason praying in foreign language)
00:50:41.728 --> 00:50:49.536
Shalom.
00:50:49.769 --> 00:50:50.971
May the lord bless you and keep you.
00:50:50.971 --> 00:50:53.006
May the lord cause his face to shine upon you.
00:50:53.006 --> 00:50:55.609
May he lift up his countenance towards you
00:50:55.609 --> 00:50:57.544
And give you shalom, nothing missing, nothing broken.
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In the name of yeshua hamashiach,
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Jesus our messiah, amen.
00:51:04.151 --> 00:51:07.220
- amen, rabbi jason sobel,
00:51:07.220 --> 00:51:08.855
A pleasure as always, my friend.
00:51:08.855 --> 00:51:10.724
Thank you, awesome stuff.
00:51:10.724 --> 00:51:12.192
And folks, here's the good news.
00:51:12.192 --> 00:51:13.827
If you enjoyed my conversation with rabbi jason sobel,
00:51:13.827 --> 00:51:16.630
You can catch his show right here on tbn.
00:51:16.630 --> 00:51:19.633
It's called god's appointed times.
00:51:19.633 --> 00:51:21.668
It's amazing, a powerful series
00:51:21.668 --> 00:51:23.737
That takes viewers on a journey
00:51:23.737 --> 00:51:25.238
Through the most sacred times of the year.
00:51:25.238 --> 00:51:27.741
This series is helping believers around the world
00:51:27.741 --> 00:51:30.343
Reconnect with the jewish roots of their christian faith.
00:51:30.343 --> 00:51:33.947
Take a look, and when we come back,
00:51:33.947 --> 00:51:35.882
Messianic recording artist, shae wilbur,
00:51:35.882 --> 00:51:38.418
Joins us with some powerful worship.
00:51:38.418 --> 00:51:49.696
- every major event in the life of jesus
00:51:50.564 --> 00:51:53.767
Happened on a jewish holiday.
00:51:53.767 --> 00:51:56.102
The jewish holidays are not meant to be
00:51:56.102 --> 00:51:58.972
Just past remembrances,
00:51:58.972 --> 00:52:01.007
They're actually meant to be reoccurrences.
00:52:01.007 --> 00:52:04.911
We are gonna be looking at the spiritual, historical,
00:52:04.911 --> 00:52:08.582
And prophetic significance
00:52:08.582 --> 00:52:10.517
Of each of these biblical holidays.
00:52:10.517 --> 00:52:13.119
I believe that it'll allow you to see jesus
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.423
In high definition.
00:52:16.423 --> 00:52:19.859
- since october 7th, 2023, war has devastated israel
00:52:20.894 --> 00:52:25.165
With relentless missile attacks
00:52:25.165 --> 00:52:26.866
That have destroyed communities.
00:52:26.866 --> 00:52:28.835
- over 57,000 acres of forests have been reduced to ash.
00:52:28.835 --> 00:52:33.940
We're calling anew.
00:52:34.407 --> 00:52:35.308
At tbn israel,
00:52:35.308 --> 00:52:36.776
We're starting a campaign to replant these forests.
00:52:36.776 --> 00:52:40.447
We want you to be part of rebuilding the land of israel.
00:52:40.447 --> 00:52:44.384
Click on the link below to plant a tree
00:52:44.384 --> 00:52:47.120
And help us restore hope to our land.
00:52:47.120 --> 00:52:51.024
- joining us now is our good friend,
00:52:51.024 --> 00:52:52.392
Messianic recording artist, shae wilbur.
00:52:52.392 --> 00:52:54.394
Shae, always great to see you.
00:52:54.394 --> 00:52:55.862
- so good to see you. - what a the stage here, yeah.
00:52:55.862 --> 00:52:57.230
- this setup, i mean, you can't beat it.
00:52:57.230 --> 00:52:59.032
It's incredible. - it's pretty amazing,
00:52:59.032 --> 00:53:00.333
And you deserve it, especially your song,
00:53:00.333 --> 00:53:01.868
"we will dance again," shae.
00:53:01.868 --> 00:53:03.436
Tell us what inspired this song.
00:53:03.436 --> 00:53:05.138
It resonates so deeply with the themes
00:53:05.138 --> 00:53:07.307
We've been discussing throughout the show.
00:53:07.307 --> 00:53:09.175
- you know, since october 7th, everything changed.
00:53:09.175 --> 00:53:11.911
And everything changed for me as a messianic jewish person.
00:53:11.911 --> 00:53:14.481
And i just felt like there needed to be a song,
00:53:14.481 --> 00:53:16.750
We needed a song that was a prophetic battle cry.
00:53:16.750 --> 00:53:20.854
Drawing that line in the sand.
00:53:20.854 --> 00:53:22.856
The bible says there's a time for everything,
00:53:22.856 --> 00:53:24.257
A time for mourning, dancing, a time for peace,
00:53:24.257 --> 00:53:26.426
And a time for war.
00:53:26.426 --> 00:53:27.861
And we found ourselves now in the midst of a war.
00:53:27.861 --> 00:53:29.429
And we need that prophetic battle cry
00:53:29.429 --> 00:53:31.331
That declares we will not keep silent.
00:53:31.331 --> 00:53:33.233
Isaiah 62, we will not keep silent, we will dance again.
00:53:33.233 --> 00:53:36.369
(shae speaks in foreign language)
00:53:36.369 --> 00:53:37.270
The people of israel live,
00:53:37.270 --> 00:53:38.538
No matter who tries to come against us,
00:53:38.538 --> 00:53:40.373
No matter where we are in history.
00:53:40.373 --> 00:53:41.908
I mean, this has happened before.
00:53:41.908 --> 00:53:43.977
- yeah.
00:53:43.977 --> 00:53:44.911
- we've seen this happen before,
00:53:44.911 --> 00:53:45.879
Nations coming against israel,
00:53:45.879 --> 00:53:46.846
And israel remains to be.
00:53:46.846 --> 00:53:48.682
So, this was my prophetic battle cry this time.
00:53:48.682 --> 00:53:52.085
- amen, and folks, we think this is the rallying cry.
00:53:52.085 --> 00:53:55.088
October 7th, of course, affected all of us profoundly.
00:53:55.088 --> 00:53:58.491
Here's shae performing we will dance again,
00:53:58.491 --> 00:54:01.695
A song that speaks directly to the heart of israel.
00:54:01.695 --> 00:54:05.832
(gentle music)
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:18.712
♪ hosea
00:54:19.012 --> 00:54:27.153
♪ arise, hosea
00:54:27.520 --> 00:54:30.523
♪ you're prisoners no more
00:54:30.523 --> 00:54:33.193
♪ your chains have been broken
00:54:33.193 --> 00:54:35.929
♪ i can hear them hit the floor ♪
00:54:35.929 --> 00:54:38.832
♪ awake sons and daughters
00:54:38.832 --> 00:54:41.768
♪ oh, lift up your eyes
00:54:41.768 --> 00:54:44.604
♪ salvation is coming
00:54:44.604 --> 00:54:47.507
♪ hosea, arise
00:54:47.507 --> 00:54:50.577
♪ and all who are held captive
00:54:50.577 --> 00:54:53.246
♪ oh, they will be set free
00:54:53.246 --> 00:54:56.316
♪ and all who war with zion
00:54:56.316 --> 00:54:58.418
♪ they will bow before the king ♪
00:54:58.418 --> 00:55:02.055
♪ and all of those who mourn
00:55:02.055 --> 00:55:04.624
♪ oh, they'll receive your joy
00:55:04.624 --> 00:55:07.761
♪ and we will dance again
00:55:07.761 --> 00:55:13.066
♪ yes, we will dance again
00:55:13.666 --> 00:55:21.241
♪ arise, oh ye people
00:55:21.775 --> 00:55:24.711
♪ oh, come and take your place
00:55:24.711 --> 00:55:27.113
♪ every nation and kingdom preparing the way ♪
00:55:27.113 --> 00:55:32.619
♪ awake oh ye watchmen
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.889
♪ oh, lift up your song
00:55:35.889 --> 00:55:38.825
♪ mashiach is coming
00:55:38.825 --> 00:55:41.728
♪ oh people, arise
00:55:41.728 --> 00:55:44.864
♪ and all who are held captive
00:55:44.864 --> 00:55:47.467
♪ oh, they will be set free
00:55:47.467 --> 00:55:50.603
♪ and all who war with zion
00:55:50.603 --> 00:55:52.772
♪ they will bow before the king ♪
00:55:52.772 --> 00:55:56.309
♪ and all of those who mourn
00:55:56.309 --> 00:55:59.012
♪ oh, they'll receive your joy
00:55:59.012 --> 00:56:02.048
♪ and we will dance again
00:56:02.048 --> 00:56:07.353
♪ yes, we will dance again
00:56:07.954 --> 00:56:16.830
- israel is more than just a land,
00:56:17.597 --> 00:56:19.999
It's the heartbeat of biblical prophecy,
00:56:19.999 --> 00:56:22.335
A testament to god's faithfulness,
00:56:22.335 --> 00:56:24.537
And a light to the nations.
00:56:24.537 --> 00:56:26.372
As believers, we have a calling to stand with israel,
00:56:26.372 --> 00:56:30.043
To pray, to support, and to bless the people of the land
00:56:30.043 --> 00:56:34.080
Where our faith was born.
00:56:34.080 --> 00:56:35.982
Scripture reminds us that those who bless israel
00:56:35.982 --> 00:56:39.118
Will be blessed.
00:56:39.118 --> 00:56:40.753
And in these critical times,
00:56:40.753 --> 00:56:42.121
Our support matters more than ever.
00:56:42.121 --> 00:56:44.691
Thank you for joining us for stand with israel,
00:56:44.691 --> 00:56:47.861
Rooted in biblical blessings.
00:56:47.861 --> 00:56:51.264
(upbeat music)
00:56:51.631 --> 00:56:51.631

Stand With Israel: Rooted in Biblical Truth

March 20, 2025 | S

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