David Jeremiah - The Great Disappearance Interview

February 14, 2026 | 57:29

Dr. Jeremiah and Sheila Walsh discuss the Rapture—the glorious return of Christ for His Church—which could occur at any moment.

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Turning Point with Dr. David Jeremiah | David Jeremiah - The Great Disappearance Interview | February 14, 2026

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Male announcer: when the rapture occurs,
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The world will capture the moment.
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Cell phones, security cameras, law enforcement body cams,
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Doorbell cams, and more will all bear video record
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Of the great disappearance.
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The world will reel with concern from watching the strange,
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Mind-boggling, and unbelievable video footage
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That goes viral across the globe,
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People vanish before their eyes and all caught on camera.
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This event won't be science fiction,
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Conspiracy theory, or mindless speculation.
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When christ comes for his people,
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It will be in the twinkling of an eye.
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Between the resurrected dead and the rapture,
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Billions of people will exit this planet in an instant,
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But billions will be left behind.
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It will be chaos on our globe
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But incredible, glorious joy in the skies.
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This is the rapture, the great disappearance.
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It is vital to know what the bible says
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About this coming day,
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The next event on god's prophetic agenda for the earth.
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Are you ready?
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♪♪♪
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Announcer: coming up on "turning point."
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Dr. david jeremiah: the rapture is a time
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In the future
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When the lord jesus christ is going to return
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To receive to himself every single person
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Who has put their trust in him for eternal life,
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And the bible says we're going to meet the lord in the air.
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All of us will be reunited with the lord jesus christ,
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The great reunion.
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[applauding]
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Announcer: stay tuned for a special interview
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With dr. jeremiah and sheila walsh,
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"the great disappearance" here on "turning point."
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Announcer: ladies and gentlemen, bible teacher,
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Author, and television host, please welcome sheila walsh.
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[applauding]
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Sheila walsh: welcome!
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So lovely to see you all.
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So let me ask you a question.
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Does the state of the world ever make you anxious,
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Even fearful?
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The current political turmoil, economic uncertainty,
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And increasingly impassible ideological divides
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That seem to point to the end of everything that we know?
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And that can be discouraging, but what if i told you
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That it's also incredibly exciting,
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Because it means that we are closer than ever
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To the return of our lord jesus christ?
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[applauding]
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Well, in just a moment we'll talk with dr. david jeremiah
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Who will explain to us that if we pay attention
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We can see the prophetic thread of scripture
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Being acted out in real time as we move even closer
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To the next event on god's prophetic calendar,
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Which is the rapture.
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In dr. jeremiah's teaching series
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He calls this prophetic event the great disappearance,
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And in this study he answers questions
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About the rapture with solid always-biblical truth.
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We may not know the exact day of the rapture,
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But we know it will happen,
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And dr. jeremiah wants to make sure
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That we're all rapture ready for that day.
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So with that in mind, please welcome pastor, author, teacher,
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And my very dear friend, dr. david jeremiah.
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[applauding]
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Sheila: well, it's just lovely to be back in new york.
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This is one of your favorite places.
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Dr. jeremiah: yeah, and i wasn't sure what to think
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When i was coming back here,
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But, you know-- i don't know if i'm right.
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It feels like new york is back.
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It really feels like that.
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Maybe not all the way,
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But sure a long way more than i thought it would be.
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Sheila: i have to tell you, and i'm excited for you to know,
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This is one of the most exciting things i've ever read
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That you have written.
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I've read everything you've written.
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This made me so full of hope and joy.
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You call this motivational prophecy.
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What does that mean?
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Dr. jeremiah: i did that on purpose, sheila,
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Because so many people that i know
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Say that prophecy doesn't have a practical application to it,
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And when they say that--
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And hopefully you're not one of those who says it,
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But if you are, stop saying it,
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Because you're giving away your biblical ignorance.
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It's not true.
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The bible is filled with prophecy,
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And almost every prophetic context has within it
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Marching orders, things we're supposed to do.
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For instance, one of the most famous passages is in john 14,
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Where jesus is trying to encourage his disciples,
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And he said, "in my father's house are many mansions."
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You know that story?
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But did you ever think about what he said first?
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"let not your heart be troubled."
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In other words, if you know what god's up to,
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You don't have to be upset waiting up at night
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Worrying about what's going to happen tomorrow.
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God's got this.
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He's got this thing in control.
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[applauding]
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Sheila: amen.
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I can imagine many of us thinking,
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Well, we're so grateful that you study it
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And that you learn and we learn from you,
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But why is it important that we all study prophecy?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, for one thing,
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It's 28% of the bible.
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So if you say, "i'm never going to read prophecy,"
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You just cut out a fourth of the bible.
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That's not a good thing to do.
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Secondly--for instance, take the book of revelation.
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It's the only book in the bible that has two promised blessings.
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If you read that book the bible says you'll be blessed,
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And i promise you you will be.
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There's a promise at the beginning
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And a promise at the end that says if you read this book
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You will be blessed.
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How many of you here like to be blessed, you know?
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So, you should read prophecy for the blessing of it.
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And then there's a kind of confidence that you get
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When you--you know,
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We know some things people in the world don't know.
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They're all wringing their hands about what's going to happen.
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We know what's going to happen.
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The more we know, the more confident we become
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And the more incredibly urgent we become
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To share with others the truth of the coming of christ.
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Sheila: you call it the great disappearance,
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But for people who perhaps are not as familiar,
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What is the rapture?
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How do you define that?
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Dr. jeremiah: the rapture is a time in the future
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When the lord jesus christ
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Is going to return not to the earth
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But to the heavens to receive to himself
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Every single person who has put their trust in him
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For eternal life.
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And before he receives the ones who are on earth,
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All of those who have died in christ who are christians,
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They're going to be resurrected,
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And the bible says we're going to meet the lord in the air.
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Bodies will be reunited with spirits and souls,
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Christians who are dead will be reunited
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With christians who are alive,
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And then finally all of us will be reunited
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With the lord jesus christ, the great reunion.
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Right.
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[applauding]
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Sheila: what will the moments of the great disappearance--
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What will it be like?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, you know, it's hard to imagine
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The chaos that will be on earth.
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Just stop and think about all the people
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That you know who are christians.
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And you know, i think there's been
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Some really good studies about this.
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A lot of christians are in places of great responsibility.
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Christians end up being good leaders.
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They're responsible, most of them,
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And they do a good job,
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So they gravitate toward the top.
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Just stop and think about all of a sudden
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All of those people not being here any longer.
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Chaos will develop.
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And i have a section in that book--
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A whole chapter called "chaos on planet earth,"
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And it tells some stories about what things will be like.
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One of my visuals that i'll never forget
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Is the picture of a guy pushing his little girl on a swing,
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And he pushes the swing out
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And she's on the swing and the swing comes back
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And she's not there, 'cause she's gone to heaven.
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This is not just some kind of fictional story,
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This is the truth.
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This is going to happen.
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Sheila: why will god rapture the church?
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What is the point of taking the church out of the earth?
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Dr. jeremiah: i think there are a couple of things
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About that, sheila, that are important.
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One that may not be as obvious.
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First of all, it's the catalyst that kicks off
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The prophetic calendar.
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You know, the rapture is the beginning
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Of the tribulation,
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Armageddon, all of those things that happen in the future.
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But secondly, the rapture is the opportunity for god
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To bring home to himself those who belong to him
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Before all the tribulation takes place on earth.
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The bible says we're not appointed to wrath,
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We're appointed to the day of christ,
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And that's a big part of this book,
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Helping people understand that we're not going to go
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Through the tribulation.
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Sheila: the term the rapture, does that ever actually appear
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In scripture?
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Dr. jeremiah: no.
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The actual term itself doesn't, but it means caught up,
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And that phrase is in the scripture.
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Caught up is often there.
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In all of the other raptures beside the rapture of christ,
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That term is caught up.
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When jesus went back to heaven after his time on this earth,
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He was caught up to heaven.
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So rapture means to be caught up,
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To be caught up to heaven.
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Sheila: a lot of believers kind of bundle
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Everything together, the rapture,
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The second coming, the lord's appearance.
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How are those different events?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, here's the way this works.
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The next thing on the calendar is the rapture of jesus christ.
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The bible says that's an imminent event,
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Which means nothing has to happen before that occurs.
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It can occur tomorrow, but nothing has to happen.
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It could come--
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Wouldn't it be cool to go to heaven
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From this beautiful place right here.
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Sheila: while we're doing this.
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Dr. jeremiah: right.
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So the rapture happens,
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And immediately after the rapture--
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What happens in the rapture?
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All the christians go to heaven.
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Where does the holy spirit live?
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In the hearts of christians.
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So what happens to this earth?
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The holy spirit disappears.
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Do you know what his name is?
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He's the restrainer.
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Can you imagine this earth with no restraint?
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And the tribulation will happen.
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And we'll talk about that, but it's the darkest time
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The world has ever dreamed of, 7 years of tribulation.
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At the end of the tribulation, the lord jesus christ
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Is returning not for his saints but with his saints.
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We'll be with him.
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We'll have been in heaven with him for 7 years.
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The bible says he comes back with his saints.
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The saints and the angels,
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We're going to be in the great army
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That returns to the armageddon,
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And we don't have to do anything,
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'cause the bible says all jesus is going to do is poof!
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And it's over.
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He's going to destroy them with a breath of his mouth.
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So--and we're all dressed in white.
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You don't go to war in white.
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We're just audience for jesus in the return.
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Sheila: what will our world look like
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When everyone who believes in jesus,
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Everyone who trusts the lord is gone?
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And what about those who've heard all
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But just never bothered making a commitment?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, i'll tell you something, sheila.
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This is a hard thing for me to say.
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The world's looking more and more like that every day.
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When you take morality out of the world totally
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And you put the antichrist in charge
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And he's satan's minion,
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All you're going to have is evil on steroids,
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And it will be awful.
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People say, "well, if you're in the tribulation,
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You can't be saved," but that's not true.
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God is going to do something in the tribulation.
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This is hard to believe.
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It's going to have--
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The greatest revival that's ever taken place on the earth
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Is going to happen in tribulation.
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Let me tell you what's going to happen.
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I'll just do this real quick, okay?
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Sheila: please, no, take your time.
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Dr. jeremiah: first of all, he's going to seal
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144,000 jewish evangelists.
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Now, i don't know what you think about the zeal of jewish people,
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But 144,000 of them turned loose on the world with the gospel,
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That's going to make a difference.
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Listen, he turned the world upside down with 12 disciples.
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Twelve times twelve thousand is a hundred and forty--
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It's 12 times-- you got it,
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All these jewish evangelists.
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And then moses and elijah are going to return
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As the two witnesses, and all kinds
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Of miraculous things will happen.
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The two witnesses are going to be killed.
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They're going to be resurrected.
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They're going to be raptured, and many will come to christ.
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Third, there's an angel from heaven
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Who is dispatched to the world with the gospel.
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He's the gospel angel, and he goes all over--
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Can you imagine the freedom of an angel
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Preaching the gospel all over the world?
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And then--i have a friend who's in heaven now.
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His name was henry morris.
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He wrote a book on revelation.
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He said, "don't forget, my books are
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Going to be in the tribulation."
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And my writings and my recordings
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And our television program and--you know what?
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I think people will watch those things
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With a little more interest
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During that time than they may right now.
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Sheila: how do we balance longing for that day
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With the call we have to live for christ today?
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Dr. jeremiah: you know, that was paul's issue, wasn't it?
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He said he wanted to be with the lord,
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And he wanted to be with them, and we all face that.
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I think--you know, for me, i'm looking forward
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To going to heaven,
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But in the meantime i'm looking forward to living my life.
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I just--i love this story about a little boy
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Who was in a class one day,
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And the teacher said, "how many of you want to go to heaven?"
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And everybody in the class raised their hand
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But this little boy.
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And the teacher walked back and she said, "johnny,
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Don't you want to go to heaven when you die?"
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He said, "oh, yes ma'am, when i die,
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But i thought you were getting up a load for tonight."
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[laughing]
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You know, that's how i feel.
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You know, i want to go to heaven when the right time comes,
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But you know what?
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You can be so heavenly-minded you're no earthly good.
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My goal is to go to heaven
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And take as many people with me as i can.
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That's what i want to do.
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[applauding]
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Sheila: stay tuned.
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[applauding]
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Sheila: welcome back. i'm sheila walsh.
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I'm here with dr. david jeremiah discussing
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"the great disappearance."
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A lot of people wonder, what about--
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You mentioned this earlier.
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What about little ones?
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What about children who are not at the age
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Of being able to understand?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, you know,
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That's a really interesting question, too,
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Because while the bible doesn't deal with that issue
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In regard to the rapture, it does deal with that issue
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In regard to death, what happens to a little one
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Who dies before they can understand the gospel?
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The bible teaches that they go to heaven.
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And there are a number of reasons for that
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In lines of proof, which i've outlined in this book.
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The bible says, "jesus said, 'suffer the little children
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To come unto me, and forbid them not
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For of such is the kingdom of heaven.'"
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Isn't that interesting?
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He loved children.
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He had a special place in his heart for children.
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It's absolutely impossible that a god
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Who is a god of fairness and justice
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Would punish little ones for something
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They could not even possibly understand.
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I believe that there's a period of time
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When a child does not know the gospel,
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But then as they get older and they present the gospel
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And they come to what the bible talks about
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As the age of accountability, then they become responsible.
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But until they're responsible,
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They are not held accountable for their sin.
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They go to heaven.
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And the greatest illustration of that is the story of david.
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One of my great friends helped me understand this one day.
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Remember when david committed adultery with bathsheba
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And had her husband uriah killed,
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And then in their adultery bathsheba had conceived,
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And she was going to have a child.
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David was told by nathan that that child was not going to live
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And that that child would die,
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And the bible says that david mourned
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And he grieved and he wouldn't eat
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And he was in sackcloth and ashes,
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Laid on the floor and cried out to god about this child,
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And then the child died.
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And the bible said david got up and got dressed
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And put on ointment and went to his house
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And went back to normal,
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And his servants didn't understand it,
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And they said, "david, what is this about?
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I mean, while the child was living you mourned,
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And when the child died you got up
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And went back to living a normal life."
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And david said, "the child has died.
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I cannot bring him back to me, but i shall go to him."
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What david said is, "i'm going to go and be with my child."
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[applauding]
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Sheila: what will our bodies look like?
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Will--like will we all recognize you?
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[audience laughing]
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Dr. jeremiah: yeah.
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You know, that's an interesting thing,
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That when we are resurrected if--
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Let's suppose that the lord doesn't come back for a while
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And we're in our graves.
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The bible says we'll be resurrected
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And then we're going to be made like unto the lord jesus.
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We're going to have a resurrection body
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Like jesus's body.
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The bible says we shall see him,
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And we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is.
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What does that mean?
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You're going to have the same body,
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But your body is going to take on the characteristics
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Of the body that jesus had when he came out of the grave.
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Let's stop and think about what was that like.
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Could he eat?
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Yes, he did.
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And that'll be great news for some of you.
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If you can't eat, you don't want to go to heaven.
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I understand that. right.
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But here's the thing.
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He could eat, but he didn't have to eat.
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He didn't eat because he had to,
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He ate because it was pleasurable.
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Number two, he was able to move from one place to another
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Without accessing the ways we travel.
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Remember one day he stood in the midst of his disciples
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In a room where the door was closed.
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So apparently we're going to have the ability
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To move about in a different kind of way
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Than we ever have,
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But we're going to be in our same bodies renewed.
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And the bible teaches that we will know each other,
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And we will know even as we are known.
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When jesus came back from the resurrection
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In his body, everybody knew he was the same jesus
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Who had been crucified and was placed in the grave.
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On the mount of transfiguration, everybody knew who they were.
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It's impossible to believe that our memories
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Will be worse in heaven than they are now, you know.
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So when we get to heaven, we will know each other,
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And it will be wonderful because we will know each other
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That we've heard about.
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We'll know people that we've heard about,
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People who lived in a different generation.
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And you say, "well, how are we ever going
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To get around to them?"
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Folks, this is for eternity.
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You're going to have time.
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You're going to have--
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Sheila: that's--you talk about the great disappearance,
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But you also call it the great reunion, what is that?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, i kind of alluded to that
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A minute ago, that there's a threefold reunion
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When the rapture happens.
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First of all, the reunion of souls and bodies.
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If you're a christian and you die,
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Your body goes in the grave,
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And your soul and spirit goes to be with the lord,
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But in the resurrection your body
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And your soul and spirit will be reunited,
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And you will be alive in your body--
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In your resurrected body.
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That's the first reunion.
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Secondly, there will be people who are alive on the earth
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And people who are in the grave.
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My parents, for instance, james and ruby jeremiah
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Are in a grave in cedarville, ohio,
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But in the rapture i'm going to be reunited with them.
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They will be resurrected.
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If i'm still here i'll be here,
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And the bible says they'll be caught up,
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And i'll be caught up together, and i will see my mom and dad.
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And then the bible says all of us in that group
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Will meet the lord and will be reunited with him,
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And together we shall see the lord
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And we shall be with him forever, amen?
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Sheila: wow.
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[applauding]
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So you teach that after the rapture
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Comes the tribulation.
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Can you put into words--
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I mean, you've done a little of this,
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But what will the tribulation be like?
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Dr. jeremiah: you know, the tribulation will be
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The most awful time.
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If you read the stories about the rule of the antichrist,
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You have to take his mark or you can't eat, you can't buy.
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Many, many people during the tribulation
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Will starve to death
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Because they won't be able to get food.
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If you don't have the mark of the beast,
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You will go to the grocery store and fill up your basket.
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When you get to checkout, they won't let you pay,
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And they won't let you take your groceries.
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You will not be able to eat.
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You won't be able to buy.
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You won't be able to transact business.
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And hundreds of thousands of christians
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Who won't take the mark will die from starvation.
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Many of them will be martyred by the cruelty of the beast.
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It will be an awful time.
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So, people say,
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"why don't i just wait till after the rapture,
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And if this is true, i'll go into the tribulation
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And then i'll get saved."
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Let me tell you, that might be true,
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But you will not go to heaven with the lord in the rapture
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And you will suffer an awful death,
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And you will go to heaven as a martyr.
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And when you'll get to heaven, it'll be better.
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But you don't want to go through that.
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Nobody wants to be in the tribulation,
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I promise you.
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Sheila: many generations, in fact even the disciples,
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Believed that perhaps the rapture would occur
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While they were still alive.
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Why has christ tarried so long?
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Dr. jeremiah: first thing you need to know
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About that question is
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God doesn't live on your time schedule.
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In fact, god doesn't live on time at all.
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Time is a creation of god.
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God is eternal.
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Did you know he lives in the eternal present?
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There is no past, present, and future with god.
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It's all present.
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Everything in god's life is eternal,
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And it's not impacted by time,
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But in order for us to understand it
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He said this.
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Just remember, one day with the lord
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Is as a thousand years.
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So, people say why has he been gone so long,
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Just tell them he's only been gone two days.
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[laughing]
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Number two, i think that we misunderstand.
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The bible says god is not willing that any should perish,
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And he delays his coming so that more
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And more of his children can come to be with him,
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So more and more people can be saved.
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He may be waiting for one of you who's here today.
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He may have delayed his coming.
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And i thought about this when i was writing this book.
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If jesus had come 100 years ago, i would never have met donna,
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I would never have had my family,
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I would never have been able to see god work in my life,
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I would never have written a book.
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God allowed me to live my life,
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And he's allowed you to live your life.
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And so we long for him to come.
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God is not obligated to come when we think he should,
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And he doesn't use time the way we do.
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He doesn't use time at all,
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And he's waiting until the last person comes to christ,
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And then he will come.
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[applauding]
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Sheila: in all your years of studying prophecy
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And studying the word of god,
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When you were doing this new series
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"the great disappearing,"
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Was there anything that was surprising to you?
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Did you learn anything that you hadn't understood before?
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Dr. jeremiah: i think what's happened to me during this study
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Is my conviction about what's going to happen in the future
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Has been so strengthened i know exactly now.
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For instance, let me just take you
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Through this little scenario.
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One of the big arguments that people have
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About the prophecies of the bible
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And the rapture is many people teach
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That the church is going to go through the tribulation
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And then go to heaven.
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Now, the bible says we're looking for that blessed hope.
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How many of you know the tribulation
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Is not the blessed hope?
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Some of you don't want that.
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But here's what i learned.
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The bible teaches the doctrine of eminency,
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Which means jesus could come back at any time,
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That nothing has to happen before he comes back.
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It doesn't mean he's going to come back immediately,
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It just means that nothing has to happen before he comes back.
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Well, if that's true, then the tribulation
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Couldn't be in between now and then.
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In other words, if jesus can come back at any time,
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You can't say, well, jesus can come back in any time,
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But before he does
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You gotta go through the tribulation.
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No, you don't.
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He can come back at any time,
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Because the tribulation is not about christians.
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Listen to me.
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The tribulation is about the wrath of god
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Against disobedience and rebellion,
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And the bible says therefore if you're in christ jesus
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There is no condemnation.
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We have not been appointed to wrath,
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But we've been appointed to jesus christ.
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We will suffer and we will be persecuted in this world.
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How many of you know that's true?
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Some of you are going through it right now.
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The bible doesn't say we won't suffer,
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But the bible never says that christians
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Will go through wrath.
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When you become a christian,
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All of god's wrath was taken out at the cross.
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And if you have to go through the tribulation
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To experience the wrath of god,
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That says that what he did on the cross was insufficient.
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I know better than that, and so do you.
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And there's not a word in the bible for the purpose
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Of the tribulation for any christian.
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There isn't any purpose for it.
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Our sins have been forgiven.
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Jesus took our tribulation, and we're on our way to heaven.
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[applauding]
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Sheila: reading through this series i was impacted by
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The way the gospel is in almost every single section or chapter.
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How should our understanding of the rapture impact
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How we interact with co-workers or family members?
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Dr. jeremiah: sheila, one of the things
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That's been interesting for me is i've preached on the rapture,
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I've preached on these doctrines of the future,
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And we have never had a sunday service
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Where somebody didn't get saved,
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And sometimes many people have gotten saved.
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If you really understand the doctrine of the rapture
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And you teach it with meaning
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And you don't play around and do silly stuff
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That discounts its meaning--
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There's something going on in our world today,
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We all know this, that's unique.
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It's never gone on before.
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Israel's back in her homeland,
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And a lot of things are starting to happen.
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And so when people understand that
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And when they really grip their hearts with the rapture,
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There's a new motivation for them to become christians.
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Sheila: yeah.
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On behalf of everyone, really, we just want to say thank you
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To you for the way you have devoted your life
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To digging deep into the word of god.
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Could you help me thank dr. jeremiah?
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[applauding]
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♪♪♪
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Announcer: coming up on "turning point."
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Dr. jeremiah: the rapture is a time in the future
00:28:36.387 --> 00:28:38.389
When the lord jesus christ is going to return
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To receive to himself every single person
00:28:41.025 --> 00:28:43.461
Who has put their trust in him for eternal life,
00:28:43.461 --> 00:28:46.297
And the bible says we're going to meet the lord in the air.
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All of us will be reunited with the lord jesus christ,
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The great reunion.
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[applauding]
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Announcer: stay tuned for an encore presentation
00:28:57.342 --> 00:28:59.377
Of "the great disappearance" interview
00:28:59.377 --> 00:29:02.080
With dr. jeremiah and sheila walsh
00:29:02.080 --> 00:29:04.816
Right now on "turning point."
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Announcer: when the rapture occurs,
00:29:12.323 --> 00:29:14.492
The world will capture the moment.
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Cell phones, security cameras, law enforcement body cams,
00:29:17.095 --> 00:29:21.766
Doorbell cams, and more will all bear video record
00:29:21.766 --> 00:29:26.337
Of the great disappearance.
00:29:26.337 --> 00:29:29.274
The world will reel with concern from watching the strange,
00:29:31.209 --> 00:29:35.246
Mind-boggling, and unbelievable video footage
00:29:35.246 --> 00:29:38.550
That goes viral across the globe,
00:29:38.550 --> 00:29:42.086
People vanish before their eyes and all caught on camera.
00:29:42.086 --> 00:29:47.725
This event won't be science fiction,
00:29:47.725 --> 00:29:50.028
Conspiracy theory, or mindless speculation.
00:29:50.028 --> 00:29:54.132
When christ comes for his people,
00:29:54.132 --> 00:29:56.367
It will be in the twinkling of an eye.
00:29:56.367 --> 00:29:59.637
Between the resurrected dead and the rapture,
00:29:59.637 --> 00:30:02.674
Billions of people will exit this planet in an instant,
00:30:02.674 --> 00:30:07.245
But billions will be left behind.
00:30:07.245 --> 00:30:10.782
It will be chaos on our globe
00:30:10.782 --> 00:30:13.885
But incredible, glorious joy in the skies.
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This is the rapture, the great disappearance.
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It is vital to know what the bible says
00:30:23.761 --> 00:30:25.830
About this coming day,
00:30:25.830 --> 00:30:28.299
The next event on god's prophetic agenda for the earth.
00:30:28.299 --> 00:30:33.104
Are you ready?
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♪♪♪
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Announcer: ladies and gentlemen, bible teacher,
00:30:43.815 --> 00:30:45.984
Author, and television host, please welcome sheila walsh.
00:30:45.984 --> 00:30:50.355
[applauding]
00:30:50.755 --> 00:30:58.129
Sheila walsh: welcome!
00:30:58.129 --> 00:30:59.497
So lovely to see you all.
00:31:02.800 --> 00:31:05.303
So let me ask you a question.
00:31:05.303 --> 00:31:07.872
Does the state of the world ever make you anxious,
00:31:07.872 --> 00:31:12.610
Even fearful?
00:31:12.610 --> 00:31:14.245
The current political turmoil, economic uncertainty,
00:31:14.245 --> 00:31:18.783
And increasingly impassible ideological divides
00:31:18.783 --> 00:31:23.388
That seem to point to the end of everything that we know?
00:31:23.388 --> 00:31:28.559
And that can be discouraging, but what if i told you
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.797
That it's also incredibly exciting,
00:31:32.797 --> 00:31:36.000
Because it means that we are closer than ever
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.770
To the return of our lord jesus christ?
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[applauding]
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Well, in just a moment we'll talk with dr. david jeremiah
00:31:46.277 --> 00:31:49.147
Who will explain to us that if we pay attention
00:31:49.147 --> 00:31:52.817
We can see the prophetic thread of scripture
00:31:52.817 --> 00:31:55.353
Being acted out in real time as we move even closer
00:31:55.353 --> 00:31:59.324
To the next event on god's prophetic calendar,
00:31:59.324 --> 00:32:02.560
Which is the rapture.
00:32:02.560 --> 00:32:05.196
In dr. jeremiah's teaching series
00:32:05.196 --> 00:32:07.298
He calls this prophetic event the great disappearance,
00:32:07.298 --> 00:32:11.970
And in this study he answers questions
00:32:11.970 --> 00:32:14.572
About the rapture with solid always-biblical truth.
00:32:14.572 --> 00:32:20.178
We may not know the exact day of the rapture,
00:32:20.178 --> 00:32:22.847
But we know it will happen,
00:32:22.847 --> 00:32:25.583
And dr. jeremiah wants to make sure
00:32:25.583 --> 00:32:27.518
That we're all rapture ready for that day.
00:32:27.518 --> 00:32:32.357
So with that in mind, please welcome pastor, author, teacher,
00:32:32.357 --> 00:32:37.729
And my very dear friend, dr. david jeremiah.
00:32:37.729 --> 00:32:42.266
[applauding]
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Sheila: well, it's just lovely to be back in new york.
00:32:51.342 --> 00:32:54.545
This is one of your favorite places.
00:32:54.545 --> 00:32:55.880
Dr. jeremiah: yeah, and i wasn't sure what to think
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:57.582
When i was coming back here,
00:32:57.582 --> 00:32:58.916
But, you know-- i don't know if i'm right.
00:32:58.916 --> 00:33:00.485
It feels like new york is back.
00:33:00.485 --> 00:33:02.820
It really feels like that.
00:33:02.820 --> 00:33:04.155
Maybe not all the way,
00:33:04.155 --> 00:33:05.490
But sure a long way more than i thought it would be.
00:33:05.490 --> 00:33:07.692
Sheila: i have to tell you, and i'm excited for you to know,
00:33:07.692 --> 00:33:09.927
This is one of the most exciting things i've ever read
00:33:09.927 --> 00:33:12.797
That you have written.
00:33:12.797 --> 00:33:14.132
I've read everything you've written.
00:33:14.132 --> 00:33:15.466
This made me so full of hope and joy.
00:33:15.466 --> 00:33:18.569
You call this motivational prophecy.
00:33:18.569 --> 00:33:21.339
What does that mean?
00:33:21.339 --> 00:33:22.673
Dr. jeremiah: i did that on purpose, sheila,
00:33:22.673 --> 00:33:24.008
Because so many people that i know
00:33:24.008 --> 00:33:25.343
Say that prophecy doesn't have a practical application to it,
00:33:25.343 --> 00:33:28.613
And when they say that--
00:33:28.613 --> 00:33:30.081
And hopefully you're not one of those who says it,
00:33:30.081 --> 00:33:31.749
But if you are, stop saying it,
00:33:31.749 --> 00:33:33.818
Because you're giving away your biblical ignorance.
00:33:33.818 --> 00:33:36.254
It's not true.
00:33:36.254 --> 00:33:37.622
The bible is filled with prophecy,
00:33:37.622 --> 00:33:39.957
And almost every prophetic context has within it
00:33:39.957 --> 00:33:43.661
Marching orders, things we're supposed to do.
00:33:43.661 --> 00:33:46.297
For instance, one of the most famous passages is in john 14,
00:33:46.297 --> 00:33:49.867
Where jesus is trying to encourage his disciples,
00:33:49.867 --> 00:33:52.904
And he said, "in my father's house are many mansions."
00:33:52.904 --> 00:33:55.540
You know that story?
00:33:55.540 --> 00:33:57.008
But did you ever think about what he said first?
00:33:57.008 --> 00:33:59.544
"let not your heart be troubled."
00:33:59.544 --> 00:34:02.080
In other words, if you know what god's up to,
00:34:02.080 --> 00:34:04.115
You don't have to be upset waiting up at night
00:34:04.115 --> 00:34:06.084
Worrying about what's going to happen tomorrow.
00:34:06.084 --> 00:34:08.052
God's got this.
00:34:08.052 --> 00:34:09.587
He's got this thing in control.
00:34:09.587 --> 00:34:11.389
[applauding]
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Sheila: amen.
00:34:12.857 --> 00:34:15.359
I can imagine many of us thinking,
00:34:15.359 --> 00:34:16.928
Well, we're so grateful that you study it
00:34:16.928 --> 00:34:18.663
And that you learn and we learn from you,
00:34:18.663 --> 00:34:20.498
But why is it important that we all study prophecy?
00:34:20.498 --> 00:34:23.301
Dr. jeremiah: well, for one thing,
00:34:23.301 --> 00:34:24.635
It's 28% of the bible.
00:34:24.635 --> 00:34:26.571
So if you say, "i'm never going to read prophecy,"
00:34:26.571 --> 00:34:28.706
You just cut out a fourth of the bible.
00:34:28.706 --> 00:34:30.908
That's not a good thing to do.
00:34:30.908 --> 00:34:32.543
Secondly--for instance, take the book of revelation.
00:34:32.543 --> 00:34:35.146
It's the only book in the bible that has two promised blessings.
00:34:35.146 --> 00:34:38.850
If you read that book the bible says you'll be blessed,
00:34:38.850 --> 00:34:41.052
And i promise you you will be.
00:34:41.052 --> 00:34:42.720
There's a promise at the beginning
00:34:42.720 --> 00:34:44.222
And a promise at the end that says if you read this book
00:34:44.222 --> 00:34:46.991
You will be blessed.
00:34:46.991 --> 00:34:48.326
How many of you here like to be blessed, you know?
00:34:48.326 --> 00:34:50.795
So, you should read prophecy for the blessing of it.
00:34:50.795 --> 00:34:52.997
And then there's a kind of confidence that you get
00:34:52.997 --> 00:34:55.500
When you--you know,
00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:57.135
We know some things people in the world don't know.
00:34:57.135 --> 00:34:59.370
They're all wringing their hands about what's going to happen.
00:34:59.370 --> 00:35:01.305
We know what's going to happen.
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The more we know, the more confident we become
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And the more incredibly urgent we become
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To share with others the truth of the coming of christ.
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Sheila: you call it the great disappearance,
00:35:12.116 --> 00:35:14.685
But for people who perhaps are not as familiar,
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What is the rapture?
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How do you define that?
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Dr. jeremiah: the rapture is a time in the future
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When the lord jesus christ
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Is going to return not to the earth
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But to the heavens to receive to himself
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Every single person who has put their trust in him
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For eternal life.
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And before he receives the ones who are on earth,
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All of those who have died in christ who are christians,
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They're going to be resurrected,
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And the bible says we're going to meet the lord in the air.
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Bodies will be reunited with spirits and souls,
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Christians who are dead will be reunited
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With christians who are alive,
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And then finally all of us will be reunited
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With the lord jesus christ, the great reunion.
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Right.
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[applauding]
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Sheila: what will the moments of the great disappearance--
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What will it be like?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, you know, it's hard to imagine
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The chaos that will be on earth.
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Just stop and think about all the people
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That you know who are christians.
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And you know, i think there's been
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Some really good studies about this.
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A lot of christians are in places of great responsibility.
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Christians end up being good leaders.
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They're responsible, most of them,
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And they do a good job,
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So they gravitate toward the top.
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Just stop and think about all of a sudden
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All of those people not being here any longer.
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Chaos will develop.
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And i have a section in that book--
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A whole chapter called "chaos on planet earth,"
00:36:31.562 --> 00:36:35.266
And it tells some stories about what things will be like.
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One of my visuals that i'll never forget
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Is the picture of a guy pushing his little girl on a swing,
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And he pushes the swing out
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And she's on the swing and the swing comes back
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And she's not there, 'cause she's gone to heaven.
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This is not just some kind of fictional story,
00:36:51.315 --> 00:36:54.118
This is the truth.
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This is going to happen.
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Sheila: why will god rapture the church?
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What is the point of taking the church out of the earth?
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Dr. jeremiah: i think there are a couple of things
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About that, sheila, that are important.
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One that may not be as obvious.
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First of all, it's the catalyst that kicks off
00:37:06.797 --> 00:37:08.766
The prophetic calendar.
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You know, the rapture is the beginning
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Of the tribulation,
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Armageddon, all of those things that happen in the future.
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But secondly, the rapture is the opportunity for god
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To bring home to himself those who belong to him
00:37:20.645 --> 00:37:23.314
Before all the tribulation takes place on earth.
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The bible says we're not appointed to wrath,
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We're appointed to the day of christ,
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And that's a big part of this book,
00:37:29.887 --> 00:37:31.822
Helping people understand that we're not going to go
00:37:31.822 --> 00:37:33.858
Through the tribulation.
00:37:33.858 --> 00:37:36.294
Sheila: the term the rapture, does that ever actually appear
00:37:36.294 --> 00:37:38.329
In scripture?
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Dr. jeremiah: no.
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The actual term itself doesn't, but it means caught up,
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And that phrase is in the scripture.
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Caught up is often there.
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In all of the other raptures beside the rapture of christ,
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That term is caught up.
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When jesus went back to heaven after his time on this earth,
00:37:53.010 --> 00:37:55.613
He was caught up to heaven.
00:37:55.613 --> 00:37:57.415
So rapture means to be caught up,
00:37:57.415 --> 00:37:59.517
To be caught up to heaven.
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Sheila: a lot of believers kind of bundle
00:38:01.185 --> 00:38:03.254
Everything together, the rapture,
00:38:03.254 --> 00:38:04.855
The second coming, the lord's appearance.
00:38:04.855 --> 00:38:06.757
How are those different events?
00:38:06.757 --> 00:38:08.726
Dr. jeremiah: well, here's the way this works.
00:38:08.726 --> 00:38:10.828
The next thing on the calendar is the rapture of jesus christ.
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The bible says that's an imminent event,
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Which means nothing has to happen before that occurs.
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It can occur tomorrow, but nothing has to happen.
00:38:18.869 --> 00:38:21.739
It could come--
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Wouldn't it be cool to go to heaven
00:38:23.240 --> 00:38:24.575
From this beautiful place right here.
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Sheila: while we're doing this.
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Dr. jeremiah: right.
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So the rapture happens,
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And immediately after the rapture--
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What happens in the rapture?
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All the christians go to heaven.
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Where does the holy spirit live?
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In the hearts of christians.
00:38:36.887 --> 00:38:38.389
So what happens to this earth?
00:38:38.389 --> 00:38:39.724
The holy spirit disappears.
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Do you know what his name is?
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He's the restrainer.
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Can you imagine this earth with no restraint?
00:38:43.828 --> 00:38:46.497
And the tribulation will happen.
00:38:46.497 --> 00:38:48.065
And we'll talk about that, but it's the darkest time
00:38:48.065 --> 00:38:50.434
The world has ever dreamed of, 7 years of tribulation.
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At the end of the tribulation, the lord jesus christ
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Is returning not for his saints but with his saints.
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We'll be with him.
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We'll have been in heaven with him for 7 years.
00:39:01.979 --> 00:39:03.948
The bible says he comes back with his saints.
00:39:03.948 --> 00:39:06.751
The saints and the angels,
00:39:06.751 --> 00:39:08.285
We're going to be in the great army
00:39:08.285 --> 00:39:09.820
That returns to the armageddon,
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And we don't have to do anything,
00:39:11.555 --> 00:39:13.824
'cause the bible says all jesus is going to do is poof!
00:39:13.824 --> 00:39:16.227
And it's over.
00:39:16.227 --> 00:39:17.762
He's going to destroy them with a breath of his mouth.
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So--and we're all dressed in white.
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You don't go to war in white.
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We're just audience for jesus in the return.
00:39:23.667 --> 00:39:26.570
Sheila: what will our world look like
00:39:26.570 --> 00:39:28.539
When everyone who believes in jesus,
00:39:28.539 --> 00:39:30.808
Everyone who trusts the lord is gone?
00:39:30.808 --> 00:39:32.743
And what about those who've heard all
00:39:32.743 --> 00:39:34.945
But just never bothered making a commitment?
00:39:34.945 --> 00:39:37.448
Dr. jeremiah: well, i'll tell you something, sheila.
00:39:37.448 --> 00:39:39.049
This is a hard thing for me to say.
00:39:39.049 --> 00:39:40.985
The world's looking more and more like that every day.
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When you take morality out of the world totally
00:39:44.655 --> 00:39:47.191
And you put the antichrist in charge
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And he's satan's minion,
00:39:49.059 --> 00:39:50.861
All you're going to have is evil on steroids,
00:39:50.861 --> 00:39:53.531
And it will be awful.
00:39:53.531 --> 00:39:55.399
People say, "well, if you're in the tribulation,
00:39:55.399 --> 00:39:57.168
You can't be saved," but that's not true.
00:39:57.168 --> 00:39:59.403
God is going to do something in the tribulation.
00:39:59.403 --> 00:40:01.739
This is hard to believe.
00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:03.073
It's going to have--
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The greatest revival that's ever taken place on the earth
00:40:04.408 --> 00:40:07.011
Is going to happen in tribulation.
00:40:07.011 --> 00:40:08.913
Let me tell you what's going to happen.
00:40:08.913 --> 00:40:10.247
I'll just do this real quick, okay?
00:40:10.247 --> 00:40:11.582
Sheila: please, no, take your time.
00:40:11.582 --> 00:40:12.917
Dr. jeremiah: first of all, he's going to seal
00:40:12.917 --> 00:40:14.952
144,000 jewish evangelists.
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Now, i don't know what you think about the zeal of jewish people,
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But 144,000 of them turned loose on the world with the gospel,
00:40:23.027 --> 00:40:28.532
That's going to make a difference.
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Listen, he turned the world upside down with 12 disciples.
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Twelve times twelve thousand is a hundred and forty--
00:40:33.437 --> 00:40:36.807
It's 12 times-- you got it,
00:40:36.807 --> 00:40:38.843
All these jewish evangelists.
00:40:38.843 --> 00:40:40.244
And then moses and elijah are going to return
00:40:40.244 --> 00:40:42.880
As the two witnesses, and all kinds
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.149
Of miraculous things will happen.
00:40:45.149 --> 00:40:47.184
The two witnesses are going to be killed.
00:40:47.184 --> 00:40:48.819
They're going to be resurrected.
00:40:48.819 --> 00:40:50.154
They're going to be raptured, and many will come to christ.
00:40:50.154 --> 00:40:52.890
Third, there's an angel from heaven
00:40:52.890 --> 00:40:54.992
Who is dispatched to the world with the gospel.
00:40:54.992 --> 00:40:58.596
Sheila: how do we balance longing for that day
00:40:58.662 --> 00:41:01.932
With the call we have to live for christ today?
00:41:01.932 --> 00:41:06.003
Dr. jeremiah: you know, that was paul's issue, wasn't it?
00:41:06.003 --> 00:41:07.505
He said he wanted to be with the lord,
00:41:07.505 --> 00:41:09.006
And he wanted to be with them, and we all face that.
00:41:09.006 --> 00:41:12.009
I think--you know, for me, i'm looking forward
00:41:12.009 --> 00:41:15.145
To going to heaven,
00:41:15.145 --> 00:41:16.780
But in the meantime i'm looking forward to living my life.
00:41:16.780 --> 00:41:20.050
I just--i love this story about a little boy
00:41:20.050 --> 00:41:22.052
Who was in a class one day,
00:41:22.052 --> 00:41:23.854
And the teacher said, "how many of you want to go to heaven?"
00:41:23.854 --> 00:41:27.558
And everybody in the class raised their hand
00:41:27.558 --> 00:41:29.326
But this little boy.
00:41:29.326 --> 00:41:30.961
And the teacher walked back and she said, "johnny,
00:41:30.961 --> 00:41:32.830
Don't you want to go to heaven when you die?"
00:41:32.830 --> 00:41:34.365
He said, "oh, yes ma'am, when i die,
00:41:34.365 --> 00:41:36.333
But i thought you were getting up a load for tonight."
00:41:36.333 --> 00:41:38.502
[laughing]
00:41:38.502 --> 00:41:40.037
You know, that's how i feel.
00:41:40.037 --> 00:41:41.705
You know, i want to go to heaven when the right time comes,
00:41:41.705 --> 00:41:44.341
But you know what?
00:41:44.341 --> 00:41:45.676
You can be so heavenly-minded you're no earthly good.
00:41:45.676 --> 00:41:48.245
My goal is to go to heaven
00:41:48.245 --> 00:41:49.847
And take as many people with me as i can.
00:41:49.847 --> 00:41:52.349
That's what i want to do.
00:41:52.349 --> 00:41:53.817
[applauding]
00:41:53.817 --> 00:41:55.152
Sheila: stay tuned.
00:41:55.152 --> 00:41:56.487
We'll be right back to continue discussing
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[applauding]
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Sheila: welcome back. i'm sheila walsh.
00:43:03.020 --> 00:43:04.688
I'm here with dr. david jeremiah discussing
00:43:04.688 --> 00:43:06.991
"the great disappearance."
00:43:06.991 --> 00:43:09.393
A lot of people wonder, what about--
00:43:09.393 --> 00:43:11.729
You mentioned this earlier.
00:43:11.729 --> 00:43:13.063
What about little ones?
00:43:13.063 --> 00:43:14.398
What about children who are not at the age
00:43:14.398 --> 00:43:15.733
Of being able to understand?
00:43:15.733 --> 00:43:17.067
Dr. jeremiah: well, you know,
00:43:17.067 --> 00:43:18.402
That's a really interesting question, too,
00:43:18.402 --> 00:43:19.737
Because while the bible doesn't deal with that issue
00:43:19.737 --> 00:43:22.239
In regard to the rapture, it does deal with that issue
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.708
In regard to death, what happens to a little one
00:43:24.708 --> 00:43:27.945
Who dies before they can understand the gospel?
00:43:27.945 --> 00:43:31.048
The bible teaches that they go to heaven.
00:43:31.048 --> 00:43:33.317
And there are a number of reasons for that
00:43:33.317 --> 00:43:35.219
In lines of proof, which i've outlined in this book.
00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:38.322
The bible says, "jesus said, 'suffer the little children
00:43:38.322 --> 00:43:41.458
To come unto me, and forbid them not
00:43:41.458 --> 00:43:43.827
For of such is the kingdom of heaven.'"
00:43:43.827 --> 00:43:45.896
Isn't that interesting?
00:43:45.896 --> 00:43:47.231
He loved children.
00:43:47.231 --> 00:43:48.565
He had a special place in his heart for children.
00:43:48.565 --> 00:43:50.901
It's absolutely impossible that a god
00:43:50.901 --> 00:43:52.770
Who is a god of fairness and justice
00:43:52.770 --> 00:43:55.873
Would punish little ones for something
00:43:55.873 --> 00:43:57.541
They could not even possibly understand.
00:43:57.541 --> 00:44:00.077
I believe that there's a period of time
00:44:00.077 --> 00:44:02.179
When a child does not know the gospel,
00:44:02.179 --> 00:44:05.649
But then as they get older and they present the gospel
00:44:05.649 --> 00:44:08.952
And they come to what the bible talks about
00:44:08.952 --> 00:44:11.188
As the age of accountability, then they become responsible.
00:44:11.188 --> 00:44:15.192
But until they're responsible,
00:44:15.192 --> 00:44:17.194
They are not held accountable for their sin.
00:44:17.194 --> 00:44:19.163
They go to heaven.
00:44:19.163 --> 00:44:20.497
And the greatest illustration of that is the story of david.
00:44:20.497 --> 00:44:23.701
One of my great friends helped me understand this one day.
00:44:23.701 --> 00:44:27.771
Remember when david committed adultery with bathsheba
00:44:27.771 --> 00:44:31.575
And had her husband uriah killed,
00:44:31.575 --> 00:44:33.544
And then in their adultery bathsheba had conceived,
00:44:33.544 --> 00:44:36.413
And she was going to have a child.
00:44:36.413 --> 00:44:39.183
David was told by nathan that that child was not going to live
00:44:39.183 --> 00:44:43.220
And that that child would die,
00:44:43.220 --> 00:44:45.389
And the bible says that david mourned
00:44:45.389 --> 00:44:47.257
And he grieved and he wouldn't eat
00:44:47.257 --> 00:44:49.426
And he was in sackcloth and ashes,
00:44:49.426 --> 00:44:51.595
Laid on the floor and cried out to god about this child,
00:44:51.595 --> 00:44:55.699
And then the child died.
00:44:55.699 --> 00:44:58.435
And the bible said david got up and got dressed
00:44:58.502 --> 00:45:00.971
And put on ointment and went to his house
00:45:00.971 --> 00:45:03.674
And went back to normal,
00:45:03.674 --> 00:45:05.008
And his servants didn't understand it,
00:45:05.008 --> 00:45:06.643
And they said, "david, what is this about?
00:45:06.643 --> 00:45:07.978
I mean, while the child was living you mourned,
00:45:07.978 --> 00:45:10.013
And when the child died you got up
00:45:10.013 --> 00:45:11.849
And went back to living a normal life."
00:45:11.849 --> 00:45:15.052
And david said, "the child has died.
00:45:15.052 --> 00:45:19.690
I cannot bring him back to me, but i shall go to him."
00:45:19.690 --> 00:45:25.462
What david said is, "i'm going to go and be with my child."
00:45:25.462 --> 00:45:29.433
[applauding]
00:45:29.433 --> 00:45:32.269
Sheila: what will our bodies look like?
00:45:32.269 --> 00:45:34.037
Will--like will we all recognize you?
00:45:34.037 --> 00:45:36.940
[audience laughing]
00:45:36.940 --> 00:45:38.275
Dr. jeremiah: yeah.
00:45:38.275 --> 00:45:39.610
You know, that's an interesting thing,
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That when we are resurrected if--
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Let's suppose that the lord doesn't come back for a while
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And we're in our graves.
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The bible says we'll be resurrected
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And then we're going to be made like unto the lord jesus.
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We're going to have a resurrection body
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Like jesus's body.
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The bible says we shall see him,
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And we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is.
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What does that mean?
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You're going to have the same body,
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But your body is going to take on the characteristics
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Of the body that jesus had when he came out of the grave.
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Let's stop and think about what was that like.
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Could he eat?
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Yes, he did.
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And that'll be great news for some of you.
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If you can't eat, you don't want to go to heaven.
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I understand that. right.
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But here's the thing.
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He could eat, but he didn't have to eat.
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He didn't eat because he had to,
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He ate because it was pleasurable.
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Number two, he was able to move from one place to another
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Without accessing the ways we travel.
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Remember one day he stood in the midst of his disciples
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In a room where the door was closed.
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So apparently we're going to have the ability
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To move about in a different kind of way
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Than we ever have,
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But we're going to be in our same bodies renewed.
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And the bible teaches that we will know each other,
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And we will know even as we are known.
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When jesus came back from the resurrection
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In his body, everybody knew he was the same jesus
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Who had been crucified and was placed in the grave.
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On the mount of transfiguration, everybody knew who they were.
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It's impossible to believe that our memories
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Will be worse in heaven than they are now, you know.
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So, when we get to heaven, we will know each other.
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Sheila: you talk about the great disappearance,
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But you also call it the great reunion.
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What is that?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, i kind of alluded to that
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A minute ago, that there's a threefold reunion
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When the rapture happens.
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First of all, the reunion of souls and bodies.
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If you're a christian and you die,
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Your body goes in the grave,
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And your soul and spirit goes to be with the lord,
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But in the resurrection your body
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And your soul and spirit will be reunited,
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And you will be alive in your body--
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In your resurrected body.
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That's the first reunion.
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Secondly, there will be people who are alive on the earth
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And people who are in the grave.
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My parents, for instance, james and ruby jeremiah
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Are in a grave in cedarville, ohio,
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But in the rapture i'm going to be reunited with them.
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They will be resurrected.
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If i'm still here i'll be here,
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And the bible says they'll be caught up,
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And i'll be caught up together, and i will see my mom and dad.
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And then the bible says all of us in that group
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Will meet the lord and will be reunited with him,
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And together we shall see the lord
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And we shall be with him forever, amen?
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Sheila: wow.
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[applauding]
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So you teach that after the rapture
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Comes the tribulation.
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Can you put into words--
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I mean, you've done a little of this,
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But what will the tribulation be like?
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Dr. jeremiah: you know, the tribulation will be
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The most awful time.
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If you read the stories about the rule of the antichrist,
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You have to take his mark or you can't eat, you can't buy.
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Many, many people during the tribulation
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Will starve to death
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Because they won't be able to get food.
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If you don't have the mark of the beast,
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You will go to the grocery store and fill up your basket.
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When you get to checkout, they won't let you pay,
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And they won't let you take your groceries.
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You will not be able to eat.
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You won't be able to buy.
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You won't be able to transact business.
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And hundreds of thousands of christians
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Who won't take the mark will die from starvation.
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Many of them will be martyred by the cruelty of the beast.
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It will be an awful time.
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Nobody wants to be in the tribulation,
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I promise you.
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Sheila: many generations, in fact even the disciples,
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Believed that perhaps the rapture would occur
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While they were still alive.
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Why has christ tarried so long?
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Dr. jeremiah: first thing you need to know
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About that question is
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God doesn't live on your time schedule.
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In fact, god doesn't live on time at all.
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Time is a creation of god.
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God is eternal.
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Did you know he lives in the eternal present?
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There is no past, present, and future with god.
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It's all present.
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Everything in god's life is eternal,
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And it's not impacted by time,
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But in order for us to understand it
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He said this.
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Just remember, one day with the lord
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Is as a thousand years.
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So, people say why has he been gone so long,
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Just tell them he's only been gone two days.
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[laughing]
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Number two, i think that we misunderstand.
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The bible says god is not willing that any should perish,
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And he delays his coming so that more
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And more of his children can come to be with him,
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So more and more people can be saved.
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He may be waiting for one of you who's here today.
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He may have delayed his coming.
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And i thought about this when i was writing this book.
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If jesus had come 100 years ago, i would never have met donna,
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I would never have had my family,
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I would never have been able to see god work in my life,
00:50:27.130 --> 00:50:29.833
I would never have written a book.
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God allowed me to live my life,
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And he's allowed you to live your life.
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And so we long for him to come.
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God is not obligated to come when we think he should,
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And he doesn't use time the way we do.
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He doesn't use time at all,
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And he's waiting until the last person comes to christ,
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And then he will come.
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[applauding]
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Sheila: in all your years of studying prophecy
00:50:55.225 --> 00:50:57.961
And studying the word of god,
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When you were doing this new series
00:50:59.663 --> 00:51:01.465
"the great disappearing,"
00:51:01.465 --> 00:51:02.866
Was there anything that was surprising to you?
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Did you learn anything that you hadn't understood before?
00:51:04.401 --> 00:51:07.337
Dr. jeremiah: i think what's happened to me during this study
00:51:07.337 --> 00:51:09.239
Is my conviction about what's going to happen in the future
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.642
Has been so strengthened i know exactly now.
00:51:12.642 --> 00:51:16.113
For instance, let me just take you
00:51:16.113 --> 00:51:17.848
Through this little scenario.
00:51:17.848 --> 00:51:19.216
One of the big arguments that people have
00:51:19.216 --> 00:51:20.650
About the prophecies of the bible
00:51:20.650 --> 00:51:22.352
And the rapture is many people teach
00:51:22.352 --> 00:51:25.222
That the church is going to go through the tribulation
00:51:25.222 --> 00:51:27.791
And then go to heaven.
00:51:27.791 --> 00:51:29.359
Now, the bible says we're looking for that blessed hope.
00:51:29.359 --> 00:51:32.195
How many of you know the tribulation
00:51:32.195 --> 00:51:33.930
Is not the blessed hope?
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Some of you don't want that.
00:51:36.066 --> 00:51:37.534
But here's what i learned.
00:51:37.534 --> 00:51:38.869
The bible teaches the doctrine of eminency,
00:51:38.869 --> 00:51:40.670
Which means jesus could come back at any time,
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That nothing has to happen before he comes back.
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It doesn't mean he's going to come back immediately,
00:51:46.443 --> 00:51:48.812
It just means that nothing has to happen before he comes back.
00:51:48.812 --> 00:51:52.149
Well, if that's true, then the tribulation
00:51:52.149 --> 00:51:55.285
Couldn't be in between now and then.
00:51:55.285 --> 00:51:58.221
In other words, if jesus can come back at any time,
00:51:58.221 --> 00:52:01.158
You can't say, well, jesus can come back in any time,
00:52:01.158 --> 00:52:03.360
But before he does
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:04.694
You gotta go through the tribulation.
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No, you don't.
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He can come back at any time,
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Because the tribulation is not about christians.
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Listen to me.
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The tribulation is about the wrath of god
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Against disobedience and rebellion,
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And the bible says therefore if you're in christ jesus
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There is no condemnation.
00:52:21.178 --> 00:52:23.013
We have not been appointed to wrath,
00:52:23.013 --> 00:52:24.814
But we've been appointed to jesus christ.
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We will suffer and we will be persecuted in this world.
00:52:27.017 --> 00:52:30.854
How many of you know that's true?
00:52:30.854 --> 00:52:32.322
Some of you are going through it right now.
00:52:32.322 --> 00:52:34.057
The bible doesn't say we won't suffer,
00:52:34.057 --> 00:52:35.992
But the bible never says that christians
00:52:35.992 --> 00:52:38.295
Will go through wrath.
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When you become a christian,
00:52:39.963 --> 00:52:41.464
All of god's wrath was taken out at the cross.
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And if you have to go through the tribulation
00:52:44.601 --> 00:52:49.005
To experience the wrath of god,
00:52:49.005 --> 00:52:51.141
That says that what he did on the cross was insufficient.
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I know better than that, and so do you.
00:52:54.311 --> 00:52:56.379
And there's not a word in the bible for the purpose
00:52:56.379 --> 00:52:58.915
Of the tribulation for any christian.
00:52:58.915 --> 00:53:01.351
There isn't any purpose for it.
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Our sins have been forgiven.
00:53:03.253 --> 00:53:04.955
Jesus took our tribulation, and we're on our way to heaven.
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[applauding]
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Sheila: reading through this series i was impacted by
00:53:11.861 --> 00:53:14.965
The way the gospel is in almost every single section or chapter.
00:53:14.965 --> 00:53:19.703
How should our understanding of the rapture impact
00:53:19.703 --> 00:53:22.772
How we interact with co-workers or family members?
00:53:22.772 --> 00:53:26.643
Dr. jeremiah: sheila, one of the things
00:53:26.643 --> 00:53:28.044
That's been interesting for me is i've preached on the rapture,
00:53:28.044 --> 00:53:31.014
I've preached on these doctrines of the future,
00:53:31.014 --> 00:53:33.250
And we have never had a sunday service
00:53:33.250 --> 00:53:36.086
Where somebody didn't get saved,
00:53:36.086 --> 00:53:37.687
And sometimes many people have gotten saved.
00:53:37.687 --> 00:53:40.624
If you really understand the doctrine of the rapture
00:53:40.624 --> 00:53:44.160
And you teach it with meaning
00:53:44.160 --> 00:53:45.729
And you don't play around and do silly stuff
00:53:45.729 --> 00:53:47.964
That discounts its meaning--
00:53:47.964 --> 00:53:50.800
There's something going on in our world today,
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:52.936
We all know this, that's unique.
00:53:52.936 --> 00:53:54.471
It's never gone on before.
00:53:54.471 --> 00:53:56.006
Israel's back in her homeland,
00:53:56.006 --> 00:53:57.574
And a lot of things are starting to happen.
00:53:57.574 --> 00:53:59.809
And so, when people understand that
00:53:59.809 --> 00:54:02.279
And when they really grip their hearts with the rapture,
00:54:02.279 --> 00:54:05.181
There's a new motivation for them to become christians.
00:54:05.181 --> 00:54:07.450
Sheila: yeah.
00:54:07.450 --> 00:54:08.785
On behalf of everyone, really, we just want to say thank you
00:54:08.785 --> 00:54:10.720
To you for the way you have devoted your life
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To digging deep into the word of god.
00:54:13.456 --> 00:54:16.092
Could you help me thank dr. jeremiah?
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Dr. david jeremiah: we are all inflicted with a disease,
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A disease of sin, and sin brings forth death.
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And last i knew, the statistics for death
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Were 100%, everybody dies.
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And the only way you escape that is if jesus comes back.
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If jesus comes back before you die,
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You will never die, not physically,
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Not spiritually, not ever, because you will go with him
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Into the millenium, where you will live for 1,000 years,
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And then you will go into heaven.
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Announcer: join us next time for a special interview
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With dr. jeremiah and sheila walsh,
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Discussing "the coming golden age,"
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Here on "turning point"
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David Jeremiah - The Great Disappearance Interview

February 14, 2026 | 57:29

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