David Jeremiah - The Promise of Heaven Interview

September 21, 2025 | 58:20

As Christians, we can look forward to heaven because we can trust God’s promise and plan for us to spend eternity with Him.

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Turning Point with Dr. David Jeremiah | David Jeremiah - The Promise of Heaven Interview | September 21, 2025

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Dr. david jeremiah offers a glimpse of heaven.
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He uncovers the answers to your most pressing questions
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About eternity.
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Dr. david jeremiah: of all the misunderstandings
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That i have run into about heaven,
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This may be one of the greatest.
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Announcer: he explains how what you believe about heaven
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Affects every part of your faith and christian life.
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Dr. jeremiah: god created us for heaven,
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And until heaven is a part of our life,
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We will never be at home.
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Announcer: and you'll discover the reasons
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You should be excited about your eternal home,
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Inspiring you to live boldly on earth as you await
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"the promise of heaven."
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Now, from the appel room at jazz at lincoln center,
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Here's sheila walsh.
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Sheila walsh: let me ask you something.
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Have you ever had a quiet moment,
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Maybe in the middle of a busy day
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Or just lying awake at night, when you've wondered,
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Is this really all there is?
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Maybe life feels full
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But something still feels missing.
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Maybe you've experienced loss or change
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Or just the ache of growing older,
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And you've found yourself longing for something more.
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That longing, it's not by chance and it's not an accident.
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It is eternity calling.
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You see, the bible doesn't end in confusion or fear.
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It ends with a incredible vision,
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Breathtaking vision, of the promise of heaven.
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Now, most of us believe in heaven,
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But even so, it often feels distant,
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Abstract, like something we've heard about
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But never fully understood.
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Well, in just a moment, dr. david jeremiah
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Will explain that the bible has far more to say about heaven
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Than most of us realize, not only where we're going,
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But who we'll see, and what we'll do,
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And why a clear view of heaven changes
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How you and i live here today.
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So with that in mind, please help me welcome
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Pastor, author, teacher, and my very dear friend,
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Dr. david jeremiah.
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Sheila: it is so lovely to be back here
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In one of your favorite places on the planet, new york city.
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You've spent so much of your ministry
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Putting eternity in context, pointing each one of us
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Towards eternity.
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Why is it now that heaven
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Seems even more of an urgent message?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, you know, all of us look around
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And try to find meaning in the things
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That we experience every day.
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And let's be honest, the things
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We're experiencing every day aren't so hot.
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Ask yourself this question.
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Are they positive?
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Do they make you feel better about yourself?
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Are you more confident because of what's happened?
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No, i think that the reason we have
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This hunger in our heart, as the bible says,
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God has placed eternity in our hearts,
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Which means there's a space in our heart
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That only works if you put eternity there.
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And eternity is what we're talking about.
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We're talking about heaven.
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So i could give a lot of examples
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That i've read over the years of people
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Who ascended the mountain of their accomplishment,
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Only to get to the top and say, "is that all there is?"
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Because we were never created to be fully satisfied
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In this world.
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God created us for heaven, and until heaven
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Is a part of our life, we will never be at home.
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Sheila: so many people are either obsessed
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With the thought of eternity or terrified
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By the thought of eternity.
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Why do you think people are afraid?
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What do you think they're afraid of?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, let me just say,
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If you know jesus christ as your personal savior,
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You don't fear heaven.
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You look forward to it.
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If you don't know him-- if you don't know him,
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You should be afraid, because the alternative
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To heaven is another whole book, and you don't want
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To hear the story because it's not a good one.
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Sheila: one of the things that you write about,
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You talk about in this new project
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That is so beautiful to me is sometimes we think of heaven
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As the end of the story.
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You say, no, no, it's just the beginning.
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Dr. jeremiah: well, actually, if you think
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This should be compared to heaven,
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You just need to go back to school,
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Because this is just a small, brief preparation
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For where we're going to be forever and ever and ever,
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And the beginning of heaven is the beginning of life,
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The beginning of living, the beginning of joy
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And happiness and all the things
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That we long for here.
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And the bible says that longing is in our heart
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And we don't begin to experience it
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Until we get to heaven.
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Sheila: you know, when i was thinking
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About all your years of teaching
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The never-changing word of god in an ever-changing world,
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Was there anything in this study that was a surprise to you
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Or new to you?
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Dr. jeremiah: i don't think you can ever know
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As much as you'd like to know about heaven.
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I think the one thing i found out writing this book
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Was how much i didn't know about heaven.
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You know, i know a lot, but the bible says
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That the secrets belong to the lord.
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And some of the things about heaven
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That we want to know, and i'm going to talk
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About some of those, we can't know
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Because they haven't been revealed.
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We can make an educated guess, but we can't know.
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And one of the things i told you when i wrote this book
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Was i determined i was not ever
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Going to quote anybody who'd been to heaven and back.
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And i was not going to talk about things
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That i couldn't talk about with authority
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Based upon the scripture, because my guess
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Is as good as yours when it comes to that.
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Sheila: yeah, why is it important that
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Heaven's not just a comfort to us,
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Just knowing that's where we're going?
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How should that energize how we all live today?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, you know, if you know
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Where you're going and you know
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What you're headed for and the goal that you have
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In your heart just gives you energy.
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And that's true in life, but it's also true
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When it comes to heaven.
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When you know what god has prepared
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For those who love him, it makes you
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Want to live every day and honor him
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And be a good representative of his.
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And you know, my goal has always been
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To go to heaven and take as many people with me
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As i can.
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Sheila: amen, me too.
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So this is kind of a three-parter
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In a way.
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You say, well, you talk about heaven being a place,
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A person, and a promise.
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So let's start with a place.
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Dr. jeremiah: sheila, that little outline
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Comes from john 14:1 through 6, where we read,
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"in my father's house are many mansions;
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And if it were not so, i would have told you.
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I go to prepare a place for you.
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And if i go to prepare a place for you, i will come again
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And receive you unto myself; that where i am,
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There you may be also."
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So that promise begins with the fact
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That heaven is a real place.
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It's not a figment of our imagination.
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It's not a lofty place someplace in the never never land.
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It is a real place, because real people
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Are going to this real place.
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And if you're going to a real place
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As a real person, those two fit together.
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And jesus said, "i go to prepare," not a dream,
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"i go to prepare a place for you."
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Heaven is a place.
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Sheila: yeah, and heaven is a person.
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Dr. jeremiah: yes, if you want to go to heaven,
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You have to go through jesus.
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John 14 says at the end of that very passage,
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"i am the way, the truth, and the life.
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And no one comes to the father except through me."
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Sheila: absolutely, absolutely, and finally, you say
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That heaven is a promise.
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What do you mean by that?
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Dr. jeremiah: it is a promise from god that if we will
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Put our trust in him, he will take us
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Where he's gone to prepare a place for us.
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He's promising that.
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That's not just if you get lucky,
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You'll get there.
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No, it's a place, it's a person,
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And the plan is put your trust in jesus christ.
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Sheila: one of the fascinating things
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You write about is the story
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Of the rich man and lazarus.
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What does that tell us about what happens to us
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When we die?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, there's a part
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Of this whole story that's not known very often,
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Because most of the time, when you read something
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That you have a hard time grasping,
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You're like the person in the great samaritan story.
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You pass by on the other side and you just leave it alone.
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But you can't leave this alone because the bible teaches
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That in the old testament when people died,
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They went to an intermediate place.
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If they were believers, they went to paradise.
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If they were unbelievers, they went to hades.
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And this intermediate place stayed the way it was
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Until the resurrection.
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By the time you get to 2 corinthians,
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Where paul goes to heaven, he's in the third heaven,
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And he says he's in paradise.
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And by the way, when jesus forgave
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The man at the cross, he said,
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"today you will be with me," not in heaven;
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"today you will be with me in paradise,"
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Because the resurrection hadn't happened yet
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And it was about to happen.
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So now, paradise is in heaven, people who are unbelievers,
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They still go to hades, and one day, the bible says,
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Hades will be turned into hell and forever and ever
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Their punishment will be in place.
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Sheila: for those in our audience
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Who have lost someone who loved jesus,
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What is the comfort of knowing that paradise
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Is with jesus?
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Dr. jeremiah: when we lose somebody who dies,
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We have all these little phrases we use about where they are.
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They passed on, they went to the big sky,
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Or whatever.
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But for christians, we go to be with jesus.
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That's what happens.
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I have a whole chapter in this book
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Called "with jesus" because the new testament
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Is filled with terminology about being with jesus.
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Men and women, when we get to heaven,
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All of these other things and the beauty
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Of the celestial city and all of it
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Will be impressive to us, but nothing
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Will be so impressive that it will
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Take our eyes off jesus and what he has done for us.
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And you know what's interesting before i forget it?
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A lot of people don't know that when we get to heaven,
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Jesus will be there in his humanity.
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He is in heaven in his humanity, and his scars and the wounds
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That he has because of what he did for us
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And his love for us will be on display
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Throughout all eternity.
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Sheila: i love that the only wounds in heaven
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Will be the wounds of christ.
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All our scars will be gone, wow.
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When i was a teenager growing up in scotland, i said to my mom
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One day, "if you happen to die before me, bury me
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With a lot of books because i don't know
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What i'm going to do up there."
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A lot of people wonder, what are we going to do
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For eternity?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, you know what?
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That's the old story, "i don't want to go to heaven
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Because it's going to be so boring," you know?
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Well, i've written a whole chapter about that
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Because it really irritates me that people would ever go there.
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First of all, it won't be boring because god isn't boring.
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And jesus isn't boring.
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And here's the most amazing thing,
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By the time you get there, you won't be boring either,
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'cause you're gonna have a makeover
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And god's gonna make you more exciting
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Than you are now.
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I know that's a hard thing for you to imagine,
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But it's true.
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And then of course, what goes on in heaven
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And the opportunity for us to serve the lord,
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That's one of the key phrases in the book of revelation.
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We'll be serving him and we'll get to do things
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We've--when somebody said you'd be able
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To finish some projects you never could finish
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Because you didn't have time, and you will do it
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With excellence and perfection because you have no barriers.
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You'll be able to work every day,
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And it will be such a joy to be involved
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In serving and worshiping the lord.
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Sheila: stay tuned.
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We'll be right back to continue discussing
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Sheila: thank you for joining us.
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I'm sheila walsh here again to talk with dr. david jeremiah
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About his new series, "the promise of heaven."
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You talk about the bema seat of christ,
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And some people think that's a place of punishment,
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But you say, no, no, it's not a courtroom.
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It's a celebration.
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Dr. jeremiah: no, the bible says if you're in christ jesus,
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There is therefore now no condemnation.
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There's no judgment.
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If you're a christian and you've been forgiven
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For your sin, you will never face your sin again.
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But the bible says that when we get to heaven,
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We're going to all give an account for our lives.
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We'll come before what they call the judgment seat of christ
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Or the bema seat.
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And the bible says we will be judged
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On the basis of our works as christians.
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Have we honestly and deliberately
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And determinedly served jesus christ?
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And, you know, i guess that always puts
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A little bit of fear in all of our hearts
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Because sometimes i wonder, i'll be honest with you,
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Have i ever done anything totally out of a pure motivation
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To serve the lord?
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Have you ever wondered that?
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But the lord will help us sort that all out.
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And the bible says we'll stand before him
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And he will judge each one of us according to our works,
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And we'll be eligible for five different crowns.
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Every one of us here is eligible for one of these crowns.
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Sheila: how do we serve faithfully
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And keep it pure?
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You know, it's not like, "well, i'll do this
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So that i'll get a crown in heaven."
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How do we keep our hearts pure?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, i don't think any christian
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That i've ever met serves jesus christ
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Just so they can get a crown.
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Or like i said in one of the places
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In the book, after you did something great for god,
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You say, "boy, you owe me big time,
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God, for that one," you know?
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You know, it's not that way.
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It's in the background, we know it's there,
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We wanna serve the lord and all, but we serve the lord
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Because we love him.
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And we serve him because we wanna honor him.
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The crowns and the judgment, that's just a separate place
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That goes along to increase the motivation.
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Sheila: what do we do with the crowns?
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Dr. jeremiah: the bible says that we don't walk around heaven
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With our crowns comparing them to the crowns of other people.
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My crown is this way, yours is that way.
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The bible says we will cast our crowns
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At the feet of jesus in an act of worship.
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Sheila: beautiful, i love the way you write
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About worship in heaven, that it's not some quiet thing.
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It's thunderous.
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It's glorious.
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How does an understanding of worship in heaven
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Impact how each one of us worships today?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, you know what?
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Worship is a really special theme
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In the bible.
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It's one of my favorite themes.
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And in the book of revelation, you see it
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In its absolute glorious climax.
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And there'll be thousands upon thousands
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Who gather together, and one of my favorite things
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About the worship in heaven is there's a gradual growth
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In the volume.
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There's seven different ways they worship.
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Every time you read it, there's glory,
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Then there's glory and honor,
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And then there's glory and honor and praise,
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Then there's glory and honor and praise,
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And you go through, there's seven.
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It's almost like you can feel the volume.
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Have you ever been in a church service
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Where the choir sings or the congregation sings
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And you change keys and you go up to the next key
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And it gets louder and bigger and louder and bigger?
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When you get to heaven, you're going to see
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The crescendo of worship
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Like you have never seen it before.
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Sheila: gives me chills.
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One of the questions that people wrestle with
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And some people have asked is will we be like ourselves
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In heaven?
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Will our personalities-- will my husband
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Still tell bad dad jokes in heaven?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, you know, there's pretty good evidence
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That not only will we be ourselves,
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But we will be recognizable by each other.
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And jesus was certainly recognized
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By his disciples when he came.
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He was the same jesus who they had been with.
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He went to the cross, he was buried, he came out
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After the resurrection, and his disciples knew him.
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They tried to hold on to him.
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He had a touchable body. they ate with him.
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That brings a lot of joy to most people to know
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That you're going to eat when you get to heaven.
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We're going to be recognizable and we're going to be
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Our best selves.
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Sheila: yeah, beautiful.
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You say, well, also there'll be
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An ongoing study of god's word.
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What does that tell us about the kind of relationship
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That god wants with each one of us
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For eternity?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, i always tell people
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That when we get to heaven, we'll continue to grow
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In our knowledge of the lord,
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And we'll spend eternity understanding--
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In fact, it'll take all of eternity
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To understand the greatness of god
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And the majesty that he brings.
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And it will be just an incredible experience.
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Sheila: so what about marriage in heaven?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, i'll tell you the truth.
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I'm going to just be a little candid with you all.
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We did a list of questions, and that was number one.
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But here's why they care about that,
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Because jesus once said, "you do err,
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Not knowing the scriptures, that we shall be
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Like the angels, neither marrying
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Nor giving in marriage."
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Do you need anything more definite than that?
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And sometimes people say, "well, if i'm not going to be married,
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I don't want to go to heaven."
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Well, that's--you just need to be a little more broad
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In your thinking, because the bible says,
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And this is maybe one of the hard things
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For us to explain no matter how hard we try it,
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That the magnificence of almighty god
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And his relationship with you will be so beyond
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Anything you can ever imagine that will make the relations
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You would have in marriage to be almost nothing.
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In the chapter that i've written on marriage,
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I can't quote this because it's a little bit wordy,
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But c.s. lewis has a great story about that
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To help us understand why we will still have
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Wonderful relationships with our family
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And our loved ones and our wives.
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And in some way, that will still be somewhat the same,
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But compared to the relationship we have with jesus
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And almighty god, it will be minuscule.
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Sheila: and i think when eve was created,
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It was because it wasn't good for man to be alone.
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But in eternity, we will never be alone again.
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Dr. jeremiah: we will never be alone,
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Absolutely.
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Sheila: wonderful, you write beautifully
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About the fullness of joy.
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That's not just an absence of sorrow,
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But a joy perhaps we've never known.
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What does an understanding of that kind of joy
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Impact us today, how we live today?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, you know, sheila,
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I need to make a confession here.
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I'm like a lot of pastors.
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Sometimes we've preached messages in the past,
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And we wish you could go back and erase them
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And re-preach them now that we know
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Something more than we know.
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And for years, i used to pattern what i had heard in seminary
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And other places that there's a difference
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Between joy and happiness.
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The joy is a relationship with jesus, which it is,
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But happiness, oh, it's secondary joy
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And depends on the happenings in life.
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And i believed that until i read a book by randy alcorn,
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And the book is just called "happiness."
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And in this book, he makes it absolutely clear
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That there is no difference in the bible
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Between joy and happiness.
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And all of a sudden, when you see that,
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You take a deep breath and say, "it's all right
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For me to be happy," you know?
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Because happiness is one of the evidences
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Of the joy of the lord in your life.
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And when we get to heaven, nobody's going to have
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A debate over whether this is joy
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Or happiness.
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They're just going to be so filled
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With the sense of well-being and goodness in their life
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That happiness and joy will be two words
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That will be inadequate to describe it.
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Sheila: for someone who's watching right now
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Or somebody who's here with us who's going
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Through a really hard time, how does
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That future promise of joy bring comfort to us
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At the moment?
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Dr. jeremiah: you remember growing up,
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You used to sing this little spiritual,
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"this world is not my home.
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I'm just a-passing through.
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My treasures are laid up somewhere beyond the blue"?
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I think it's really important for us to understand
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We're on our way someplace, we're on a journey.
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And while the journey might be difficult,
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The end result is well worth it.
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When we get to heaven, we're going to realize
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That the things we experienced on this earth,
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Though many of them were hard, and some of them
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We can't even quite get our arms around
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Because of the difficulty, we won't remember them for long
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When we get to heaven, i don't think.
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Sheila: no, no, i don't think so either.
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You talk about the fact that god won't abandon
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His creation.
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It's all about renew and restore.
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What does that tell us about the new heaven
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And new earth?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, you know, when you read those passages
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Like the ones in peter where he talks about
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The earth being burned up and everybody wonders,
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Is god just going to burn up the whole world
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And it's going to go away?
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But if you study it carefully, what you find out
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Is those words have a meaning, not to be destroyed,
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But to be renovated.
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God's going to renovate the earth.
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He's going to burn off all of the dross,
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The things that don't belong,
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But he's not going to destroy it.
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God said when he created the earth,
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"it is good."
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He made a good earth.
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And we messed it up, starting with adam.
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He's going to come and totally refurbish it,
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Renovate it.
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And then the new jerusalem will sit down
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Upon this new heaven and new earth,
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And heaven will be in place.
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Sheila: i love the way you write about the celestial city.
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But honestly, when we think about cities,
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I think about what's over our shoulder.
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We're here in new york city where it's noisy and busy
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And people in a hurry.
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How will the celestial city be different
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Than anything we've ever experienced?
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Dr. jeremiah: you know, it's interesting
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That when the bible was written, the largest city in the world
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Was rome and had 450,000 people in it.
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And today, there are over 100 cities in china
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With over a million people in them.
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There's something about cities.
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I don't know what it is, but god loves cities.
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So it's not accidentally that he talks
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About the city that's coming, the celestial city.
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When you read about that in the book of revelation
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And see all the statistics about it, the size of it,
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For instance, it's a four-square city.
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If you try to get a picture of it,
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You start with the east coast and go all the way
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Over halfway across the united states.
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And it's four-square this way, this way, and this way.
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It's a layered city.
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So there will be different layers in the city.
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And when i try to describe it the way the bible does,
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I kind of choke a little bit because, you know,
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Teaching is telling somebody something
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Based upon something they already know.
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And this is unprecedented.
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You don't know anything. there's nothing like this.
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For instance, a pearl the size of a gate.
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Somebody said, "what kind of oyster is that,"
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You know?
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But it isn't many pearls.
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It's one pearl, the bible says.
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Every one of the gates will be made
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Out of a single pearl.
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And then the foundations will be
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Of the most beautiful stones available
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In diamonds and rubies.
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And, you know, you can study them all
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And go back into the background of them all.
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A beautiful river that flows from the throne of god
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And trees on the side of the river
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That give you fruit that is healing.
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The bible says it's therapeutic fruit.
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I don't know what that means.
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I think it just means it enables you to enjoy heaven
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More than you were already when you eat this fruit.
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And here's the good thing.
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You can eat all you want and you won't gain any weight.
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Sheila: hallelujah, amen.
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Why is the celestial city called the new jerusalem?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, it is modeled after the jerusalem
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That is here.
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One day god is going to renovate that
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And, of course, increase it, and the new jerusalem
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Will settle down in the place of the old one.
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Sheila: you write and talk about angels in heaven.
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And i wonder what kind of relationship
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Will we have with angels in heaven?
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Dr. jeremiah: you know, angels and humans are different.
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We will have fellowship with them.
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We will be in heaven with them forever.
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And they're one of the citizen groups
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That you find in heaven along with the saints
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Of the old testament and the saints
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Of the new testament.
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We will be one up on them because you ever heard
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That old song, "for angels ever knew the joy
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That my salvation brings"?
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They're in heaven, they're holy, but they never know the joy
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Of coming to christ as we have.
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We are better than the angels when it comes to that.
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Sheila: wow, that's beautiful.
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You talk about-- and write about too--
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About what will be absent from heaven,
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Chaos, curses, even churches.
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Why is that such a powerful promise?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, because heaven
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Is absolutely authentic.
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There's nothing phony or anything like that in heaven.
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You know, people say, "well, that should be the way it is
00:26:41.473 --> 00:26:44.542
In our churches," but we all know that isn't true.
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We have situations in our church, we think,
00:26:47.012 --> 00:26:49.681
"how could he be in church and do that?"
00:26:49.681 --> 00:26:51.616
Or "how could he come to church and be like that?"
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In heaven, that won't be true.
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In heaven, motives will be absolutely perfect.
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People will be doing things for the right reason.
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They won't have any expectations in behalf of themselves.
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It will be a world, one we can only imagine,
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And yet a world that is perfectly described
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In the scripture.
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Sheila: let me ask you a personal question.
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Do you ever get discouraged when you hear
00:28:23.074 --> 00:28:25.110
Of believers falling, things happening?
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It just seems the last year there's been so many stories
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.216
Of people kind of falling away
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From their faith.
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How does that impact your pastor's heart?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, i'll tell you the truth.
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:37.255
Whenever it happens to a pastor, i feel diminished.
00:28:37.255 --> 00:28:40.759
I feel like i've lost something.
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And this past year, some guys that i know
00:28:43.762 --> 00:28:50.001
Who i never thought would ever go down that road
00:28:50.001 --> 00:28:52.370
Have gone down that road.
00:28:52.370 --> 00:28:53.705
And it breaks my heart.
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It makes me more determined than ever
00:28:56.641 --> 00:28:58.977
To be on guard every day and make sure
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That we don't ever take anything for granted.
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You know, this interesting little story,
00:29:04.716 --> 00:29:07.519
My friend howard hendricks, who was my teacher in seminary,
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:12.157
Once told me this story.
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I was taking him somewhere where he was going to speak
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And he said, "you know, david, i carry this little black book
00:29:15.927 --> 00:29:18.096
In my pocket."
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And he said, "this book has got the names in it
00:29:19.631 --> 00:29:21.800
Of the guys who've been my students
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Over the years who have fallen into sin
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And no longer are serving the lord."
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And he said, "i hate to tell you this,
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I think i've got a hundred names in here."
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But he said, "one day i was looking
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Through these names to see if i could see anything
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In common."
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Here's a warning for all of us.
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You know what he said?
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"they all were arrogant and proud."
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The bible says that pride goes before a fall
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And an arrogant spirit before destruction.
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And i think what a warning that is to all of us today.
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You get up on your high horse and think you're something,
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You are just-- and you're just
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On your way to trouble.
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Now, hopefully, you guys all have a good wife
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To help you stay humble like i do
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And help you keep your focus and all of that.
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I'm not kidding when i say that.
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Your partners are tremendously helpful
00:30:09.981 --> 00:30:12.217
In all of that.
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When you see those failures, if it breaks your heart,
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What must it do to the heart of god
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Who gave his own son for their salvation?
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Sheila: one of the things you write about
00:30:24.996 --> 00:30:26.331
That i just found, it was so fresh, is
00:30:26.331 --> 00:30:29.234
The marriage supper of the lamb.
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We've all been to weddings, some good, some not so good.
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Talk to us about the marriage supper of the lamb.
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Dr. jeremiah: well, the bible speaks of it
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As one of the events that's going to take place
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In heaven, and we know who the bride is
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And we know who the bridegroom is.
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And there will be a celebration in heaven.
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If you think you've been to great weddings,
00:30:47.252 --> 00:30:48.586
You haven't been to anything yet.
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This is going to be something else.
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It will just be an incredible celebration
00:30:52.056 --> 00:30:54.359
Of our salvation and our relationship with jesus.
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Sheila: you write: "the main thing in heaven
00:30:58.296 --> 00:31:00.632
Is not paradise, heaven, the new jerusalem.
00:31:00.632 --> 00:31:04.202
As wonderful as those places are,
00:31:04.202 --> 00:31:07.705
The main thing is our lord jesus christ."
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Can you share more about what that means?
00:31:11.042 --> 00:31:17.048
Dr. jeremiah: we only know him because of what he's done
00:31:17.048 --> 00:31:20.218
For us.
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And when we stop and realize, i mean, what would my life be
00:31:21.753 --> 00:31:26.291
Without jesus christ?
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You ask yourself that question.
00:31:28.493 --> 00:31:30.795
Heaven will be the celebration of our savior,
00:31:30.795 --> 00:31:34.399
And he will be, you know, i don't know how this works,
00:31:34.399 --> 00:31:37.068
How he can be available to all of us, so many of us.
00:31:37.068 --> 00:31:42.740
That's one of the imponderables of heaven, but it's true.
00:31:42.740 --> 00:31:46.844
The bible says that.
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We're going to know jesus even as we are known.
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And the bible says something even better.
00:31:52.216 --> 00:31:53.885
We shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
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I mean, what a tremendous thing that's gonna be.
00:31:57.555 --> 00:32:03.061
Sheila: so, what will we look like in heaven?
00:32:03.061 --> 00:32:05.330
Like, how old will we be? will we get to choose?
00:32:05.330 --> 00:32:07.398
Thirty-two was good for me.
00:32:07.398 --> 00:32:09.033
Will we be able to choose an age?
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Dr. jeremiah: what book have you been reading, sheila?
00:32:11.536 --> 00:32:15.273
You know, that's a big question, and there's a lot of debate
00:32:15.273 --> 00:32:17.342
About it.
00:32:17.342 --> 00:32:18.676
Some people think we'll all be 33
00:32:18.676 --> 00:32:20.011
Because that's how old jesus was when he was on this earth.
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But that doesn't mean that heaven will be populated
00:32:24.082 --> 00:32:26.351
With all 33-year-old people, you know.
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There will be gradations of age.
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There'll be young people and older people.
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Obviously there's gonna be a lot of infants in heaven.
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I don't know how long they'll stay infants.
00:32:35.860 --> 00:32:37.428
And i don't know the answers to some of those questions.
00:32:37.428 --> 00:32:40.398
So it'd be best for me not to give you answers
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I don't have.
00:32:42.567 --> 00:32:43.901
All i know is that god has it-- he has it all controlled,
00:32:43.901 --> 00:32:47.338
And he knows what he's doing, and when we get there,
00:32:47.338 --> 00:32:49.474
We'll figure it out.
00:32:49.474 --> 00:32:51.509
Sheila: i've heard some people share concern
00:32:51.509 --> 00:32:54.078
About if i'm cremated, how does that impact
00:32:54.078 --> 00:32:58.049
My eternity?
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Not an easy one.
00:33:00.284 --> 00:33:01.619
Dr. jeremiah: you know what?
00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:02.954
I've had people ask me that question
00:33:02.954 --> 00:33:04.856
For as long back as i can remember as a pastor.
00:33:04.856 --> 00:33:07.859
In the book i've written, i told a story about a church
00:33:07.859 --> 00:33:11.295
In japan where cremation is almost expected
00:33:11.295 --> 00:33:15.333
Because of the population there.
00:33:15.333 --> 00:33:17.435
And a guy went to visit a friend of his
00:33:17.435 --> 00:33:19.303
Who was a pastor of the church,
00:33:19.303 --> 00:33:20.638
And the pastor took him to the attic of the church
00:33:20.638 --> 00:33:23.474
And said, "i want you to see our cemetery."
00:33:23.474 --> 00:33:25.810
When he got to the attic, it was just boxes everywhere
00:33:25.810 --> 00:33:28.546
Of the ashes of people who had been cremated
00:33:28.546 --> 00:33:30.381
In the church.
00:33:30.381 --> 00:33:31.716
And they kept them in the attic of the church as their cemetery.
00:33:31.716 --> 00:33:36.120
And i've said in the past, and just, this has been
00:33:36.120 --> 00:33:39.857
As honest as i could, it seems to me
00:33:39.857 --> 00:33:42.393
That cremation is a bit brutal for the house
00:33:42.393 --> 00:33:49.333
Where the lord lived, where the holy spirit dwelt.
00:33:49.333 --> 00:33:53.805
But you know what?
00:33:53.805 --> 00:33:55.139
I've studied that during the writing
00:33:55.139 --> 00:33:57.041
Of this book, and there is not one single verse in the bible
00:33:57.041 --> 00:34:01.045
That anybody could appeal to to say that cremation is wrong.
00:34:01.045 --> 00:34:06.317
So if that's a part of your history,
00:34:06.317 --> 00:34:08.152
A part of what you do, i can't tell you
00:34:08.152 --> 00:34:11.122
That you're in opposition to the word of god.
00:34:11.122 --> 00:34:13.491
There isn't any evidence of that.
00:34:13.491 --> 00:34:14.826
And as we go forward, if we continue,
00:34:14.826 --> 00:34:18.029
If jesus doesn't come back right away
00:34:18.029 --> 00:34:19.964
And our culture continues to grow,
00:34:19.964 --> 00:34:22.567
It's going to be almost an undiscussed issue
00:34:22.567 --> 00:34:25.770
Because everybody will be experiencing that.
00:34:25.770 --> 00:34:29.474
So i would say, if this is what you believe you should do,
00:34:29.474 --> 00:34:32.343
You can't use the bible to say that it's wrong.
00:34:32.343 --> 00:34:35.379
There is no positive verse that says, "thou shalt cremate,"
00:34:35.379 --> 00:34:40.017
But there's no verses in the bible
00:34:40.017 --> 00:34:41.486
That i could ever point to to say it's wrong.
00:34:41.486 --> 00:34:44.789
And here's the issue.
00:34:44.789 --> 00:34:46.624
If almighty god can speak a word and the world is in place,
00:34:46.624 --> 00:34:51.863
I think he can get you back together
00:34:51.863 --> 00:34:53.731
No matter what you do, right?
00:34:53.731 --> 00:35:00.972
Sheila: i'm thinking of those who have lost children
00:35:00.972 --> 00:35:04.709
Before they were born, perhaps through miscarriage,
00:35:04.709 --> 00:35:07.145
Or some even through abortion.
00:35:07.145 --> 00:35:08.880
And will those little ones still be infants in heaven?
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.617
I know that's an unfair question,
00:35:12.617 --> 00:35:13.951
But you're dr. jeremiah.
00:35:13.951 --> 00:35:15.286
Dr. jeremiah: well, let me just--
00:35:15.286 --> 00:35:17.288
I think the main thing about it, sheila,
00:35:17.288 --> 00:35:18.756
Is they will be in heaven, that's the deal.
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The bible teaches that when a child dies
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Before they have the opportunity to understand the gospel,
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They go to be with jesus.
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And there's many evidences of that in the bible,
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The compassion of christ, the whole plan of the gospel.
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But the greatest story about it is the story of david.
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And what happened with david when he committed that sin
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With bathsheba and part of the punishment
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Was the loss of the child.
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And the bible says that david mourned for days
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Before the child died.
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He wouldn't eat, he wouldn't get dressed
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And come to be with people.
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And then the child died.
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And the bible says he washed and cleaned up and put on--
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And they came and said, "david, what is this deal?
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Before the child died, you were mourning,
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And now the child is dead and you're up rejoicing."
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And david made this statement.
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He said, "the child shall not come to me,
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But i shall go to the child."
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And he knew what he was talking about.
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He knew that that child was with god.
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And we know that too, that god would never punish
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Those who had no ability to understand the plan.
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And so we're going to be in heaven,
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There'll be many, many infants in heaven.
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What happens to them in terms of their aging?
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I don't know the answer to that one.
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Sheila: yeah, you've kind of touched on this,
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But i was wondering about the question of,
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Will i still be me in heaven?
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Will we have the--will we still like the same things
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That we liked?
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Will we have the same kind of talents that we had?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, i hope you all don't like
00:36:50.381 --> 00:36:52.683
The same things that you like now,
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Because some of you need to change your likes.
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But as much as is possible in the keeping
00:36:56.354 --> 00:37:04.228
Of your personality that is in compliance
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With heaven, that's who you will be.
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You will be who you are, but without sin,
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Without any compromise in your personality
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And your lifestyle, your testimony.
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There will be no sin in heaven, no sin, no ungodliness,
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Nothing that compromises.
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Sheila: wow, in the book of hebrews,
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Hebrews talks about the great cloud of witnesses.
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What does that say about what people in heaven can see
00:37:33.124 --> 00:37:36.060
About what's happening here?
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Dr. jeremiah: of all the misunderstandings
00:37:37.395 --> 00:37:38.729
That i have run into about heaven,
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This may be one of the greatest.
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There is no evidence in the bible
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That people in heaven observe the things
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That happen on earth.
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So let me tell you where that comes from.
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It comes from hebrews 12, where we are told
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There's a great cloud of witnesses and the bible says
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That this great cloud of witnesses
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Encourages the people, but the cloud of witnesses
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Aren't people who gathered in a stadium like this
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Up in heaven, looking down over the edge of heaven,
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Watching what's happening on earth.
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I like to explain it this way.
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When it comes to witnesses, there are two kinds
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Of witnesses.
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There are saying witnesses and there are seeing witnesses.
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A seeing witness is somebody who sees something.
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A saying witness is somebody who they saw an accident,
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They go to court and they say, "this is what i saw.
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This is what's going to happen.
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This is what--" and that's what these witnesses are
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In hebrews.
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These are the people in hebrews 11
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Who are the great heroes of the faith.
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And the writer of hebrews says, "you christians, be encouraged."
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These people in the past, they're witnessing
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To what god has done in their lives.
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They're this great cloud of witnesses
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That are telling you, "keep going, don't quit,
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Be strong in your faith."
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That's the witnesses, not witnesses in heaven
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Looking down at us.
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Now, i can't say for sure on the basis of the bible
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That nobody in heaven will see anything
00:38:56.907 --> 00:38:58.843
That goes on on this earth.
00:38:58.843 --> 00:39:01.445
But once again, i want to tell you,
00:39:01.445 --> 00:39:02.780
When you get to heaven, you're going to be so occupied
00:39:02.780 --> 00:39:04.949
With what goes on in heaven, earth will be a second thought
00:39:04.949 --> 00:39:08.386
No matter what's going on down here.
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Sheila: yeah, let me touch on something
00:39:10.721 --> 00:39:12.757
That's a sensitive subject, but it's personal to me.
00:39:12.757 --> 00:39:15.993
When i was a young girl, my dad, who was a very fervent follower
00:39:15.993 --> 00:39:20.398
Of christ, had a major brain injury,
00:39:20.398 --> 00:39:22.867
And my father died by suicide.
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What happens to believers who die by suicide?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, that is a question
00:39:29.707 --> 00:39:31.041
That has been with us for a long time,
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And it's more prevalent now than ever before,
00:39:32.810 --> 00:39:35.613
As you know from the statistics.
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And people ask, if somebody commits suicide,
00:39:38.382 --> 00:39:41.152
Will they go to heaven?
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And i have developed a little answer
00:39:42.987 --> 00:39:44.822
That kind of shocks them.
00:39:44.822 --> 00:39:46.157
And i say, "yeah, you'll go to heaven,
00:39:46.157 --> 00:39:47.491
And the first person you're going to meet
00:39:47.491 --> 00:39:48.859
Is jesus christ, who gave his life on the cross
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So that you could have life everlasting."
00:39:51.762 --> 00:39:54.432
Don't do it. don't do it.
00:39:54.432 --> 00:39:58.803
But going to heaven has nothing to do
00:39:58.803 --> 00:40:01.939
With whether or not you take your own life.
00:40:01.939 --> 00:40:04.675
Going to heaven has everything to do
00:40:04.675 --> 00:40:06.177
With whether or not you've trusted your life
00:40:06.177 --> 00:40:08.446
To jesus christ.
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And let's face it, there are many things
00:40:10.114 --> 00:40:12.082
That happen in our world today that put pressure on people
00:40:12.082 --> 00:40:15.586
So that they do things they don't want to do,
00:40:15.586 --> 00:40:17.888
And sometimes it involves that.
00:40:17.888 --> 00:40:19.990
Many of us know people like that.
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We can't imagine that they would ever do that.
00:40:21.625 --> 00:40:23.427
Why would they do that?
00:40:23.427 --> 00:40:25.896
But when they get to heaven, that won't be
00:40:25.896 --> 00:40:27.998
On the entry questions for going through the gate.
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God won't say to you, "have you committed suicide?"
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No, he's going to say, "have you put your trust
00:40:34.605 --> 00:40:36.340
In jesus christ?"
00:40:36.340 --> 00:40:38.042
And whether you have or not will be the answer.
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Sheila: amen, amen.
00:40:40.845 --> 00:40:44.348
It seems as if the world is getting even more confusing
00:40:44.348 --> 00:40:47.218
In terms of people saying, "well, there's all sorts
00:40:47.218 --> 00:40:49.453
Of different ways to god."
00:40:49.453 --> 00:40:52.022
You talk about the fact and you write about the fact
00:40:52.022 --> 00:40:54.258
That jesus being the only way is actually
00:40:54.258 --> 00:40:56.126
The most loving thing about god.
00:40:56.126 --> 00:40:58.095
Talk to us about that.
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Dr. jeremiah: well, if you go to see a doctor
00:40:59.430 --> 00:41:00.865
And you've got cancer and he says,
00:41:00.865 --> 00:41:03.334
"there's one thing i can do for you that will heal you,
00:41:03.334 --> 00:41:06.537
But would you like to hear about the other things?"
00:41:06.537 --> 00:41:09.340
You would not listen.
00:41:09.340 --> 00:41:10.875
You want the thing that's going to heal you.
00:41:10.875 --> 00:41:13.644
The bible says he's our great physician.
00:41:13.644 --> 00:41:16.046
I was talking with some of the other people
00:41:16.046 --> 00:41:17.882
In the room before we started this interview,
00:41:17.882 --> 00:41:20.084
And i was telling them about a friend of mine
00:41:20.084 --> 00:41:21.552
Who said we shouldn't be so upset
00:41:21.552 --> 00:41:24.121
When people say there's only one way to heaven.
00:41:24.121 --> 00:41:26.924
And he gave the story.
00:41:26.924 --> 00:41:28.292
He said, "when you're born, there's only one way to be born.
00:41:28.292 --> 00:41:33.030
It has to be the union of the sperm and the egg.
00:41:33.030 --> 00:41:38.235
There's no other way.
00:41:38.235 --> 00:41:39.570
There's not five ways to be born physically.
00:41:39.570 --> 00:41:41.372
I know they're coming up with all the stuff
00:41:41.372 --> 00:41:42.706
They're doing medically, but it gets
00:41:42.706 --> 00:41:44.041
Right back down to this.
00:41:44.041 --> 00:41:45.676
You have to have those two elements to be born.
00:41:45.676 --> 00:41:48.946
So if god created physical birth that way,
00:41:48.946 --> 00:41:52.116
Why would be surprised that he would
00:41:52.116 --> 00:41:53.918
Create spiritual birth that way?
00:41:53.918 --> 00:41:55.452
You need the holy spirit and the word of god,
00:41:55.452 --> 00:41:57.621
And that's it, and you can't get to heaven
00:41:57.621 --> 00:41:59.256
Any other way.
00:41:59.256 --> 00:42:02.059
The loving thing about that, sheila,
00:42:02.059 --> 00:42:03.928
Is you don't have to wonder.
00:42:03.928 --> 00:42:06.030
If you know this is the way, you can get on the way
00:42:06.030 --> 00:42:07.831
And get there.
00:42:07.831 --> 00:42:09.166
But if you're left with doubts or, like,
00:42:09.166 --> 00:42:11.368
People say there are many ways to heaven,
00:42:11.368 --> 00:42:14.471
That's like saying, "i'm going to go home here
00:42:14.471 --> 00:42:16.540
Pretty soon from new york, and it doesn't matter
00:42:16.540 --> 00:42:18.442
Whether i go east, west."
00:42:18.442 --> 00:42:20.544
Ultimately, i'll get home, i guess,
00:42:20.544 --> 00:42:22.279
Because the world is round, but the directions
00:42:22.279 --> 00:42:24.815
Have to match the goal, and you can't get to heaven
00:42:24.815 --> 00:42:28.686
Any other way.
00:42:28.686 --> 00:42:30.020
Jesus has laid it out for us, it's clear.
00:42:30.020 --> 00:42:32.590
One man and one man only between god and man,
00:42:32.590 --> 00:42:36.093
The man christ jesus.
00:42:36.093 --> 00:42:41.198
Sheila: i've heard someone say, talking about that,
00:42:41.198 --> 00:42:43.801
That it's the widest narrow gate in the universe.
00:42:43.801 --> 00:42:47.338
And that's absolutely right.
00:42:47.338 --> 00:42:49.239
We're told not to lay up treasure in heaven.
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.042
And you say, you write about the fact,
00:42:52.042 --> 00:42:53.377
There's two things we can take with us.
00:42:53.377 --> 00:42:55.012
What are those?
00:42:55.012 --> 00:42:56.347
Dr. jeremiah: well, there's only two commodities
00:42:56.347 --> 00:42:57.681
That are eternal.
00:42:57.681 --> 00:42:59.016
One is the souls of men, the other is the word of god.
00:42:59.016 --> 00:43:01.785
If you want to invest in heaven, those are the currencies
00:43:01.785 --> 00:43:04.521
You've got to work with.
00:43:04.521 --> 00:43:06.390
You've got to work with the souls of men
00:43:06.390 --> 00:43:07.992
And the word of god.
00:43:07.992 --> 00:43:09.326
You know how blessed i am every day to get up,
00:43:09.326 --> 00:43:11.161
And that's what i do?
00:43:11.161 --> 00:43:12.630
That's pretty much all i do.
00:43:12.630 --> 00:43:14.965
I don't have any other hobbies much.
00:43:14.965 --> 00:43:17.935
I work with the souls of men and women
00:43:17.935 --> 00:43:20.771
And with the word of god.
00:43:20.771 --> 00:43:22.539
Those are the two eternal things.
00:43:22.539 --> 00:43:23.907
When we get to heaven, if you've done that
00:43:23.907 --> 00:43:26.644
And you've won people to christ, you've invested
00:43:26.644 --> 00:43:28.979
In the word of god, you've invested in your church,
00:43:28.979 --> 00:43:32.182
Anything you do to invest in that which is eternal
00:43:32.182 --> 00:43:34.485
Goes to heaven and becomes the coinage
00:43:34.485 --> 00:43:36.353
Of heaven.
00:43:36.353 --> 00:43:37.688
That's where your riches are.
00:43:37.688 --> 00:43:39.757
You can't take material things with you,
00:43:39.757 --> 00:43:42.059
But you can send those two things ahead.
00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:44.728
And when you get to heaven, you're gonna understand
00:43:44.728 --> 00:43:46.497
Even more why those two things
00:43:46.497 --> 00:43:49.233
Are the eternal things that god has put his arms around.
00:43:49.233 --> 00:43:54.538
Sheila: in the book of revelation
00:43:54.538 --> 00:43:55.873
Given to john, there's these vivid descriptions
00:43:55.873 --> 00:43:58.742
Of how glorious heaven is going to be.
00:43:58.742 --> 00:44:01.812
Why do you think we're given that now?
00:44:01.812 --> 00:44:04.081
Is that supposed to impact how we live now,
00:44:04.081 --> 00:44:05.983
Understanding the magnificence of what's ahead?
00:44:05.983 --> 00:44:10.020
Dr. jeremiah: we want to be in the most beautiful place,
00:44:10.020 --> 00:44:12.456
See the most beautiful things.
00:44:12.456 --> 00:44:14.124
We don't want to miss anything majestic
00:44:14.124 --> 00:44:15.626
That we can see.
00:44:15.626 --> 00:44:17.695
And when we get to heaven, all of that
00:44:17.695 --> 00:44:20.130
Will be ultimately realized in a way
00:44:20.130 --> 00:44:22.199
That it's never been realized on this earth.
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.201
Here's the thing, ultimate satisfaction
00:44:24.201 --> 00:44:27.204
Only comes with jesus christ and eternity and heaven.
00:44:27.204 --> 00:44:31.175
I tell a story in this book about tom brady,
00:44:31.175 --> 00:44:34.678
Who won all these championships and came to the end
00:44:34.678 --> 00:44:37.548
Of one of the last ones and wondered,
00:44:37.548 --> 00:44:39.183
"isn't there something more?"
00:44:39.183 --> 00:44:41.185
That's what happens.
00:44:41.185 --> 00:44:42.619
We always are left with the realization
00:44:42.619 --> 00:44:46.390
That we cannot find happiness in the world and its things,
00:44:46.390 --> 00:44:50.761
But we will one day in the glories of heaven.
00:44:50.761 --> 00:44:53.897
It will be everything we ever hoped for.
00:44:53.897 --> 00:44:56.734
Sheila: stay tuned.
00:44:56.734 --> 00:44:58.068
We'll be right back to continue discussing
00:44:58.068 --> 00:44:59.670
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Sheila: thank you for joining us.
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I'm sheila walsh here again to talk
00:46:14.178 --> 00:46:15.913
With dr. david jeremiah about his new series,
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"the promise of heaven."
00:46:18.715 --> 00:46:21.385
How do we, tomorrow, when distractions
00:46:21.385 --> 00:46:23.654
And things come along, how do we develop
00:46:23.654 --> 00:46:26.023
A heavenly mindset?
00:46:26.023 --> 00:46:27.658
Dr. jeremiah: you know, here's an interesting thing
00:46:27.658 --> 00:46:28.992
If you study the bible, and i would recommend
00:46:28.992 --> 00:46:30.894
You do this because it's a tremendous tool.
00:46:30.894 --> 00:46:34.264
I've had people say to me, because i've done
00:46:34.264 --> 00:46:36.600
A lot of teaching on prophecy, "why don't you teach on things
00:46:36.600 --> 00:46:39.736
That are pragmatic, things that are pertinent?"
00:46:39.736 --> 00:46:43.507
And i like to say to them, there's not anything
00:46:43.507 --> 00:46:45.242
More pertinent than the scripture
00:46:45.242 --> 00:46:47.244
About the future, and here's why.
00:46:47.244 --> 00:46:49.379
If you study the context, in almost every context
00:46:49.379 --> 00:46:52.783
That talks about heaven or the future,
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In the context, you will find a practical admonition.
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Listen to this one: "let not your heart be troubled;
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You believe in god, believe also in me.
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In my father's house are many mansions."
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What is he saying?
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If you know what the future holds,
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You don't have to have a troubled heart.
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How much is that good, you know?
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And all of these scriptures that talk about heaven,
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I was just so shocked.
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In fact, i wrote a whole book about this,
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About how the prophecies have within them
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These practical, current things that we should know.
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The bible tells us, because the day is coming,
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What does the scripture say?
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"forsake not the assembling of yourselves together
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As the manner of some is, for as you see
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The day approaching."
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When you see all these admonitions
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About the future, just look around
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In the vestibule of the verse, and you'll find,
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How does this apply to me today?
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And you will find many, many things
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That you will be able to follow immediately,
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Very practical.
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Sheila: yeah, i wanted to get this quote exact.
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You write: "when you think about jesus,
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What do you see?
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Do you picture a gentle jesus, meek and mild,
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A nice, kind, reasonable teacher?
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Or do you picture the risen and ascended
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Lord of all things, the sovereign king
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Of all creation?"
00:48:10.093 --> 00:48:11.695
Why is having the right view of jesus
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Now so important?
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Dr. jeremiah: well, first of all,
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Because of so many people don't have the right view of him
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Or god or the father.
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They have a tyrant idea that he's ready to step on us
00:48:21.571 --> 00:48:25.375
As soon as we start enjoying life.
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The bible speaks of god and presents god
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As a god who has a loving heart, and jesus christ the same way.
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So if you go through life with the idea
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That god is just up there trying to spoil your fun,
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You're losing everything.
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God isn't trying to-- who created joy?
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He did.
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Who created laughter? he did.
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And, you know, who created sex? he did.
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So when we smile, god smiles.
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And god loves it when his people are full of joy.
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Somebody once told me, "if god had a refrigerator,
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Your picture's on the cover," you know?
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Sheila: i love that.
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What would you say to somebody who believes in jesus,
00:49:05.182 --> 00:49:07.718
But if they're really honest, they're still
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A little afraid of death?
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Dr. jeremiah: the fear of death is a part of life.
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I mean, i remember a story about the little boy
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Who was in class one day, and the teacher said,
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"how many of you want to go to heaven
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When you die?"
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And everybody in the class raised their hand
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Except this little boy.
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And the teacher went back there and said to him, "don't you
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Want to go to heaven when you die?"
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He said, "oh, yeah, when i die.
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I thought you were getting up a load for tonight,"
00:49:32.109 --> 00:49:34.144
You know?
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And that's the way a lot of people
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Feel about death.
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But if you're a christian and you know the word of god
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And you believe the word of god,
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You have a healthy fear of death.
00:49:41.485 --> 00:49:43.120
I don't know anybody-- i don't want to die.
00:49:43.120 --> 00:49:45.522
I'm not anxious to die. i want to live as long as i can.
00:49:45.522 --> 00:49:48.191
I mean, i've had a couple of tough years,
00:49:48.191 --> 00:49:50.327
Physically, but not one of them have i ever thought,
00:49:50.327 --> 00:49:53.096
"well, let's just give it up, i'm done with this."
00:49:53.096 --> 00:49:55.065
No, every day i get up with the joy of life
00:49:55.065 --> 00:49:57.701
In my spirit and the desire to keep living
00:49:57.701 --> 00:50:00.203
In my heart.
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So i don't fear death.
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I mean, i faced death before with cancer years ago.
00:50:04.975 --> 00:50:09.646
And i think it's right for us to say as christians,
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We're not afraid of death, but we don't wanna die.
00:50:11.715 --> 00:50:14.718
God has put within us the hope of life,
00:50:14.718 --> 00:50:16.787
And we wanna live long and enjoy the things
00:50:16.787 --> 00:50:18.688
That god has given us, our families,
00:50:18.688 --> 00:50:20.690
The things that we've given our heart to.
00:50:20.690 --> 00:50:22.959
We should enjoy every day of life,
00:50:22.959 --> 00:50:24.628
But know that god has a plan for what happens next.
00:50:24.628 --> 00:50:28.131
And when we graduate, we'll be so excited.
00:50:28.131 --> 00:50:31.635
But in the meantime, we have a healthy fear
00:50:31.635 --> 00:50:35.372
Of what it's like.
00:50:35.372 --> 00:50:37.040
Sheila: i'm thinking of somebody who's sitting at home
00:50:37.040 --> 00:50:39.109
Flipping through channels.
00:50:39.109 --> 00:50:41.044
And they stopped on this maybe because they liked
00:50:41.044 --> 00:50:42.946
The view of new york, but they heard you
00:50:42.946 --> 00:50:44.614
Talking about heaven.
00:50:44.614 --> 00:50:45.949
But here's their question, "have i gone too far
00:50:45.949 --> 00:50:49.453
And have i waited too long?"
00:50:49.453 --> 00:50:51.555
Dr. jeremiah: there's nobody that i know of
00:50:51.555 --> 00:50:53.190
Who has sinned away the day of grace.
00:50:53.190 --> 00:50:56.860
As far as i can determine, the only sin
00:50:56.860 --> 00:50:59.062
That you can commit that will keep you from heaven
00:50:59.062 --> 00:51:01.031
Is the sin of unbelief.
00:51:01.031 --> 00:51:03.567
If you come to the conclusion that you're not going to believe
00:51:03.567 --> 00:51:05.735
In jesus, you have committed the sin
00:51:05.735 --> 00:51:08.105
That will keep you out of heaven because you can't go to heaven
00:51:08.105 --> 00:51:10.140
Unless you believe in jesus.
00:51:10.140 --> 00:51:12.409
But i've heard people say, "i've sinned so much,
00:51:12.409 --> 00:51:17.647
God can't save me."
00:51:17.647 --> 00:51:19.916
Are you kidding?
00:51:19.916 --> 00:51:21.318
God can save anybody who will come
00:51:21.318 --> 00:51:23.053
And ask for forgiveness.
00:51:23.053 --> 00:51:24.788
So no matter how far you think you are away from god,
00:51:24.788 --> 00:51:27.858
No matter what you've done that makes you
00:51:27.858 --> 00:51:29.192
Think it's unforgivable, it's not.
00:51:29.192 --> 00:51:32.996
God will forgive you if you'll ask him
00:51:32.996 --> 00:51:34.764
To forgive you, and he will save you
00:51:34.764 --> 00:51:36.700
And change you and take you to heaven
00:51:36.700 --> 00:51:38.668
To be with him forever.
00:51:38.668 --> 00:51:44.007
Sheila: this series is amazing.
00:51:44.007 --> 00:51:46.276
I mean, i read everything you write, obviously,
00:51:46.276 --> 00:51:48.912
But i have to tell you, this, i don't know,
00:51:48.912 --> 00:51:51.114
It just put fresh joy in my heart.
00:51:51.114 --> 00:51:54.317
With everything going on in the world that's crazy,
00:51:54.317 --> 00:51:56.586
Knowing that god is in control.
00:51:56.586 --> 00:51:59.256
But i just wondered, would you close out
00:51:59.256 --> 00:52:01.291
Our time here by praying for someone
00:52:01.291 --> 00:52:03.393
Who perhaps thinks, "i would like to know
00:52:03.393 --> 00:52:04.895
This jesus, but i don't," that today could be
00:52:04.895 --> 00:52:09.099
Their day of salvation?
00:52:09.099 --> 00:52:11.268
Dr. jeremiah: yeah, let's do that.
00:52:11.268 --> 00:52:12.602
Let's pray together, shall we? father, we thank you for heaven.
00:52:12.602 --> 00:52:17.307
We can't comprehend it all.
00:52:17.307 --> 00:52:18.842
We can't even come close to understanding
00:52:18.842 --> 00:52:21.278
Everything about it, but the more we do know,
00:52:21.278 --> 00:52:23.580
The more we study it, the more we read about it,
00:52:23.580 --> 00:52:26.516
The more we accept your revelation to us about it,
00:52:26.516 --> 00:52:30.387
Our hearts jump with the thought that one day
00:52:30.387 --> 00:52:32.656
We're going to be there, and we'll be with those
00:52:32.656 --> 00:52:35.258
That we have loved and love and be with you most of all,
00:52:35.258 --> 00:52:38.261
And we'll be there forever and ever.
00:52:38.261 --> 00:52:41.298
And we will know the joy of absolute, total fulfillment
00:52:41.298 --> 00:52:46.203
In our lives.
00:52:46.203 --> 00:52:48.338
Lord, somebody today, maybe in this room
00:52:48.338 --> 00:52:52.275
Or watching on television or on the internet,
00:52:52.275 --> 00:52:56.046
They've heard about heaven.
00:52:56.046 --> 00:52:57.380
They know about it.
00:52:57.380 --> 00:52:59.416
Maybe even in their heart they'd like to go there someday,
00:52:59.416 --> 00:53:02.419
But they've never made the decision
00:53:02.419 --> 00:53:04.788
To prepare their way.
00:53:04.788 --> 00:53:06.122
Lord, help them to understand that what we do for heaven
00:53:06.122 --> 00:53:08.491
Has to be done now, that the reservations for heaven
00:53:08.491 --> 00:53:11.928
Are made in this life, that we don't get
00:53:11.928 --> 00:53:14.764
To go to heaven and get a do-over.
00:53:14.764 --> 00:53:17.133
We must come to christ while he is speaking to us
00:53:17.133 --> 00:53:21.438
And while the invitation is alive in our heart.
00:53:21.438 --> 00:53:26.243
So today i pray that if there's someone
00:53:26.243 --> 00:53:27.911
Listening to me, watching this, that you will help them
00:53:27.911 --> 00:53:33.283
To believe in their heart that jesus christ
00:53:33.283 --> 00:53:35.819
Is the son of the living god who came to this earth
00:53:35.819 --> 00:53:39.022
And died on the cross, and was buried,
00:53:39.022 --> 00:53:41.458
And came back on the third day victorious over death,
00:53:41.458 --> 00:53:44.194
And offers to us life everlasting
00:53:44.194 --> 00:53:47.097
If we will put our trust in him.
00:53:47.097 --> 00:53:49.799
Help them to pray this simple prayer
00:53:49.799 --> 00:53:51.735
In their heart wherever they may be.
00:53:51.735 --> 00:53:54.371
"dear god, i know i am a sinner, and i know i cannot save myself.
00:53:54.371 --> 00:54:00.977
I need you, lord god.
00:54:00.977 --> 00:54:03.280
I need your son, jesus christ, and what he did for me
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:06.349
On the cross when he paid for the penalty of my sin.
00:54:06.349 --> 00:54:10.387
And so today, confessing my sin, i accept jesus christ
00:54:10.387 --> 00:54:14.524
As my savior.
00:54:14.524 --> 00:54:16.159
I invite him into my life to take up his abode
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:20.230
And sit upon the throne of my life
00:54:20.230 --> 00:54:21.865
And help me to know what to do.
00:54:21.865 --> 00:54:24.968
And lord, i will live for him going forward
00:54:24.968 --> 00:54:28.104
As he guides me and directs me.
00:54:28.104 --> 00:54:30.006
Thank you for salvation.
00:54:30.006 --> 00:54:32.475
Thank you for hearing my prayer.
00:54:32.475 --> 00:54:34.711
Thank you that i have passed from death to life
00:54:34.711 --> 00:54:37.814
In this moment, in this transaction.
00:54:37.814 --> 00:54:40.950
And i thank you, in jesus's name."
00:54:40.950 --> 00:54:42.485
And lord, thank you for all who have prayed that prayer.
00:54:42.485 --> 00:54:45.522
Go before them and show them the way to go.
00:54:45.522 --> 00:54:48.491
Bring across their path those who will help them
00:54:48.491 --> 00:54:50.627
And encourage them and bless them
00:54:50.627 --> 00:54:53.430
And affirm their decision even this day is my prayer.
00:54:53.430 --> 00:54:57.167
In jesus's name, amen.
00:54:57.167 --> 00:54:59.336
Sheila: amen, amen.
00:54:59.336 --> 00:55:01.204
Will you help me thank dr. david jeremiah?
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Dr. jeremiah: here's how you get to heaven.
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You have to come through jesus christ.
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There aren't many ways.
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Some people say, "oh, every-- your way is as good as my way."
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No, the only way that counts is his way.
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God is the only one who gets to make the choice
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On that.
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David Jeremiah - The Promise of Heaven Interview

September 21, 2025 | 58:20

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