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Your Move with Andy Stanley | Andy Stanley - Mean People (Part 1) | May 29, 2026
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- Andy stanley: hi, everybody, welcome to "your move" where we
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- Help you make better decisions and live with fewer regrets.
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- I'm andy stanley, and i'll be your guide.
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- And today, we're talkin' about those people.
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- We try to avoid 'em, we don't always know what to do with 'em,
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- And we try real hard not to become like them.
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- That's right, today we are talking about mean people and
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- What to do about 'em.
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- So, you know any mean people?
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- Stick around.
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- ♪♪♪
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- Andy: so, today is part one of a two-part series entitled "mean
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- People and what to do about them."
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- "mean people and what to do about them."
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- I thought about entitling this series bad people and what to do
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- About them, but you know, we hesitate to call anybody bad.
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- We say things like this, "well, you know, he's really not a
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- Bad person."
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- Isn't this what we say?
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- He's really not a bad person, he just does bad things, like,
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- A lot.
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- Which i think that's what it means to be a bad person, but
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- So, we're not gonna do bad person, we're gonna do
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- Mean person.
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- We're gonna stick with mean people.
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- Mean people, and specifically what should we do about the mean
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- People in our lives?
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- And by mean, i mean, mean, these are the unpleasant people, these
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- Are the deceptive people, these are the people that control us
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- With time, or money, or with our children.
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- These are the users.
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- They're just unkind.
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- It may be that person that when you see them coming, you just
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- Don't want to interact with 'em, because, well, they're
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- Just--there's just no other way to say it, they're just mean.
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- And to be clear, this isn't to say that we're not often mean.
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- I mean, all of us have been mean at some point.
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- In fact, there's somebody maybe who's gonna see or hear this
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- Message and unfortunately we're gonna come to mind.
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- But generally, what we talk about when we're together is how
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- To live a life in such a way, and to live our lives in such a
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- Way that we're not the mean people.
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- So, we're not discounting the fact that from time to time, we
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- Can be mean, and certainly have the potential to be perhaps as
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- Mean as the meanest person we've ever met, but these two messages
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- Are gonna focus on how to respond to and how to react to
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- The mean people in our lives.
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- Now, the reason this is so important is this.
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- Is if you don't have a plan, and if i don't have a plan, if we're
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- Not prepared, and honestly, as we're gonna see, if we're not
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- Somewhat proactive, here's what happens, and we've all
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- Experienced this.
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- The mean people in our lives, ultimately they gain a measure
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- Of control over our lives, and before we know it, we're
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- Actually acting like they do, and it feels in the moment as if
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- We have no choice.
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- In fact, if somebody were to hear your story, or when you
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- Tell your story and you talk about how you've reacted to or
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- Responded to the person that you know is mean to you, the person
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- That hears your story's like, "well, who could blame you?"
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- It's almost like you have no choice.
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- And the reason it feels like we have no choice is this, that
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- Mean people, and we don't think in these terms when we're in the
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- Relationship, but mean people, without even meaning to, they
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- Just keep us off balance.
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- We're just always off balance.
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- We don't know what we're walking into.
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- We don't know how to respond.
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- They kinda lean left and we kind of lean right, because when
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- We're off balance, what happens?
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- We're forced to compensate.
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- This is why, in these relationships, you feel like
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- You're not even yourself.
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- In fact, somebody may have said to you, you know, when you're
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- Around him, when you're around her, when you're together, i
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- Feel like you're not even yourself, why?
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- Because well, when we're around these kinds of people, we are
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- Forced to compensate.
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- If somebody walks up and pushes you off balance, everything in
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- You, you compensate to regain your balance.
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- But the problem with a mean person is it is impossible, it
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- Is virtually impossible to maintain and keep your balance.
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- I'll give you a quick illustration that actually is a
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- Long illustration i'm gonna try to keep short.
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- When my mom, who died when she was 82, when my mom was in her
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- Late 30s, she met a young woman in her late 20s that she helped
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- Out, and they became lifelong friends.
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- Her name is alice.
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- And alice actually used to stay with my sister and me when my
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- Parents would go out of town.
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- So, i've known alice basically my whole life.
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- So, then when my mom was in her '70s and basically she couldn't
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- Drive anymore, and she really had needed some help at home,
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- Alice would actually drive 45 minutes from her home.
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- Now, alice is in her late '60s, she would drive from her home 45
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- Minutes to my mom's home every single week to go through my
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- Mom's mail, pay my mom's bills, balance my mom's checkbook, and
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- Just answer any questions, and just spend time with my mom.
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- Which i was so grateful for.
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- So, my mom invested in her, now she's investing in my mom.
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- And again, it took so much pressure off of me, so
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- Extraordinarily grateful.
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- So, as my mom neared the end of her life, and as she was, you
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- Know, less and less able to take care of herself, alice began to
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- Lose her sight, and before long, she couldn't drive any longer,
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- And she was basically a shut-in in her own home.
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- And then sandra, my wife, began doing for alice what alice had
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- Done for my mom.
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- So, as time goes by, it becomes clear to us that alice can't
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- Stay in her house any longer, because technically she was
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- Living alone, we'll come back to that in just a minute.
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- And so, sandra convinced alice that she needed to move to
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- Assisted living.
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- Now, if any one here has ever moved a parent, or a spouse's
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- Parent to assisted living, it is so complicated.
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- But it's even more complicated when we're trying to move
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- Somebody who is not a family member.
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- So, sandra got an attorney, she became alice's official legal
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- Power of attorney, and then she got another friend of alice's to
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- Become alice's medical power of attorney.
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- So, there's kinda team alice.
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- The goal was to get her in assisted living.
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- In fact, sandra found a place two miles from our house,
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- Because we're committed alice for the rest of her life.
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- Well anyway, about eight or nine months before that process
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- Began, an old friend of alice's showed up at her front door, a
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- Gentleman in his late '60s, keeping all this straight?
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- And he said, "alice, i'm destitute.
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- I don't have a place to live.
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- I've been living in my car.
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- It's getting cold.
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- Would it be okay if i moved in with you for just a few months?"
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- Now, alice had been warned, and later we were warned, that this
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- Guy's name is roger, that if you let roger move in, you're gonna
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- Have a difficult time getting roger to move out.
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- But she allowed him to move into one of her spare bedrooms, and
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- Actually, honestly, he was pretty helpful, because he could
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- Drive, and he could take her to her doctor's visits, he would
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- Bring us the mail sometimes.
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- He seemed like the nicest guy, and i couldn't imagine this was
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- Gonna be a problem.
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- Besides, he knew we were going to sell her house, and so, if we
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- Sell her house, he'll probably have to move out by that
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- Point, right?
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- So, i felt like there was kind of a built in deadline,
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- This wouldn't be a problem.
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- And so, we finally get alice moved to this assisted living
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- Place close to us that was, you know, an event.
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- We get the house cleaned out, we do this big garage sale, sandra
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- Put signs out that the house is gonna go up for sale, and you
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- Know, the real estate market right now was so hot, so she
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- Starts gettin' calls.
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- So now, she's got to show the house, but now the house is
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- Completely empty.
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- I mean, she sold everything, and then threw everything else away.
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- Just a mammoth task if you've ever done that for someone.
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- And so, sandra is riding point on this whole process, and then
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- We gotta show the house.
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- But the problem is, there's, you know, come see this house, it's
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- Completely empty, except, oh, yeah, don't go in that bedroom,
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- There's an air mattress with some clothes in a closet and a
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- Computer on the floor.
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- You know, don't mind the guy camping out in the house.
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- So, you know, it's gonna be kinda hard to show this
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- House, right?
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- Well, so she starts showing the house, and so, we're like,
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- Roger, okay, thank you, you gotta go.
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- And he just ignores us.
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- So, sandra gives him a deadline, you know, gives him three weeks
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- By this date, he agreed that hey, on that monday, i'll
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- Be gone.
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- Monday comes, monday goes, he's still there, and it becomes
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- Apparent he's not moving out.
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- So, we sat on the couch late one afternoon, sandra calls roger, i
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- Said put it on speakerphone, and of course i'm trying not to get
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- Involved, because sandra, throughout the process, has
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- Said, andy, you cannot get involved, because i wanted to
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- Get involved, and i only had one tool.
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- You know, i wanna use my tool.
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- And she's like, you can't use your tool.
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- So, they have this conversation, speakerphone, and he is so rude.
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- To say i've never heard anyone speak to my wife this way.
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- I was so angry, and she's kinda leaning this way, and i'm
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- Reaching for the phone, i just want to take the phone and
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- Say--and she's like, no, no, no, no, and he's saying i'm going to
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- Sue you, you can't kick me out, the law doesn't allow you to
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- Kick out a renter.
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- I'm like, renter?
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- That assumes rent.
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- I mean, there's not--this guy's paid nothing.
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- He's taken advantage of an 80-year-old woman and we're
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- Tryin' to close her house so we can put money in the bank,
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- Because there's a monthly gap between her pension and her
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- Social security to stay in this assisted living place.
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- And he is so rude to sandra.
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- Okay, how do you think we responded to all this?
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- I mean, what's our response?
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- Well, you can imagine, because you can imagine your response.
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- You know what we did?
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- And this is kind of embarrassing, and i'm not even
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- Gonna give you the details it's so embarrassing.
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- We sat around day after day, night after night, coming up
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- With the most devious, manipulative ways you can
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- Imagine to get roger out of the house.
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- I'm telling you, there are times when we just listened to each
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- Other and think, "who are we?
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- Who have we become?"
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- But we realized what was happening.
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- We're starting to become like roger.
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- We're becoming like him, we don't even like him.
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- It was all we talked about to the point, honestly, it was as
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- If roger had moved in with us, because it so focused our
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- Attention every single day.
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- How do we get roger out of the house before this close?
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- And we couldn't even believe somebody would give us a
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- Contract, or give alice a contract on the house, because
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- They'd never seen the house empty, because there's a guy
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- Camping out in one of the bedrooms.
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- Now, in part two, i'm gonna come back and tell you how that
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- Story resolved.
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- So yeah, i know, ok, ok, sorry to do that.
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- But the point is simply this, and you know this, it is so
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- Difficult, it is so difficult to be good to people who just
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- Aren't good, right?
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- No matter what kind of faith you have, in the moment, it is so
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- Difficult to be kind to people who just seems like in their
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- Heart, they're just unkind or sensitive to people who
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- Are insensitive.
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- The golden rule, it just doesn't seem to apply.
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- You know the golden rule, do unto others as you would have
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- Others, what does it?
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- Do, yeah, do unto you.
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- And this is great, until somebody mistreats you, and it's
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- Great until somebody mistreats me, or mistreats somebody that
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- I love.
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- And for me, in this particular story, it's a double-edged
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- Sword, because i loved alice, and i wanted us to help alice,
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- But i was watching my wife be mistreated at the same time, and
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- I'm supposed to do unto roger as i would have roger do unto me?
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- And suddenly, the golden rule is out the window.
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- Now it's the iron rule.
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- I just made this up, but you understand the iron rule.
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- It's do unto others as they have done unto you, right?
- 00:10:38.355 --> 00:10:41.692
- And this doesn't only feel natural, it doesn't just feel
- 00:10:41.692 --> 00:10:45.196
- Natural to treat people the way they've treated us, in the
- 00:10:45.196 --> 00:10:48.099
- Moment, it just seems right.
- 00:10:48.099 --> 00:10:50.000
- It just seems fair.
- 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:51.368
- And in fact, if i were to go into detail about some of these
- 00:10:51.368 --> 00:10:53.804
- Crazy ideas we had to get roger out of the house, after hearing
- 00:10:53.804 --> 00:10:56.874
- Just the part of the story i've told you, you'd be like, well,
- 00:10:56.874 --> 00:10:59.376
- Yeah, i mean, why wouldn't you do all that?
- 00:10:59.376 --> 00:11:03.247
- It just seems right, it seems fair, it seems just, it
- 00:11:03.247 --> 00:11:05.950
- Seems even.
- 00:11:05.950 --> 00:11:09.220
- And then, there's this, and maybe this is a little close to
- 00:11:09.220 --> 00:11:13.390
- Home, because maybe this is maybe part of your story, or
- 00:11:13.390 --> 00:11:16.861
- Maybe part of your story growing up, or maybe it's part of the
- 00:11:16.861 --> 00:11:19.396
- Story of your first marriage.
- 00:11:19.396 --> 00:11:21.499
- When we're mistreated in a relationship, and we feel
- 00:11:21.499 --> 00:11:25.136
- Powerless to do anything about it, again, we're off balance, we
- 00:11:25.136 --> 00:11:29.006
- Compensate, but sometimes we compensate not in the
- 00:11:29.006 --> 00:11:32.276
- Relationship with the person that threw us off balance,
- 00:11:32.276 --> 00:11:34.378
- You've seen this happen, we compensate in
- 00:11:34.378 --> 00:11:36.447
- Another relationship.
- 00:11:36.447 --> 00:11:37.782
- We compensate somewhere or with somebody else.
- 00:11:37.782 --> 00:11:40.584
- I'll take it out on you because i can't take it out on him.
- 00:11:40.584 --> 00:11:45.589
- I can't take it out on her.
- 00:11:45.589 --> 00:11:46.957
- I can't get back at them.
- 00:11:46.957 --> 00:11:48.893
- I can't go back into the office and take it out on the people
- 00:11:48.893 --> 00:11:51.896
- That mistreated me at work, but i've got all this energy, i'm
- 00:11:51.896 --> 00:11:54.532
- Off balance, and then it's do unto others, it's do unto others
- 00:11:54.532 --> 00:11:58.536
- As someone else has done unto you.
- 00:11:58.536 --> 00:12:01.038
- So, round, and round, and round it goes.
- 00:12:01.038 --> 00:12:02.506
- And you know what?
- 00:12:02.506 --> 00:12:03.874
- We've all been there at some level.
- 00:12:03.874 --> 00:12:05.209
- Maybe not a big level, but at some level, we've all been a
- 00:12:05.209 --> 00:12:08.813
- Part of this dynamic.
- 00:12:08.813 --> 00:12:10.414
- So here's the question.
- 00:12:10.414 --> 00:12:11.749
- Here's what we're talkin' about.
- 00:12:11.749 --> 00:12:13.083
- What do we do?
- 00:12:13.083 --> 00:12:14.451
- What do you do about the mean people?
- 00:12:14.451 --> 00:12:17.221
- Maybe it was your ex.
- 00:12:17.221 --> 00:12:18.589
- Maybe it's a neighbor.
- 00:12:18.589 --> 00:12:19.924
- Maybe it's a boss, a sister, or sister-in-law, and there's just
- 00:12:19.924 --> 00:12:23.494
- No way to extricate yourself from the relationship because of
- 00:12:23.494 --> 00:12:26.397
- The nature of the relationship but they're just mean.
- 00:12:26.397 --> 00:12:29.934
- And it's fun, i'll admit it, it's fun to daydream about
- 00:12:29.934 --> 00:12:34.171
- Getting even.
- 00:12:34.171 --> 00:12:35.506
- But the problem of course is, and you know this, is that
- 00:12:35.506 --> 00:12:38.075
- Getting even makes us even.
- 00:12:38.075 --> 00:12:41.445
- Getting even makes us even with someone that we don't even like.
- 00:12:41.445 --> 00:12:44.748
- It makes us like someone that we dislike, so what do we do?
- 00:12:44.748 --> 00:12:49.320
- You can't ignore them, right?
- 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:50.721
- That's impossible, and if you ignore them, you know what they
- 00:12:50.721 --> 00:12:52.456
- Do, right?
- 00:12:52.456 --> 00:12:53.824
- They just keep chipping away, chipping away, chipping away,
- 00:12:53.824 --> 00:12:55.192
- And eventually we break, and we react, and then it's like we've
- 00:12:55.192 --> 00:12:58.963
- Given them even more power over us.
- 00:12:58.963 --> 00:13:01.999
- So, ignoring them isn't the way forward, and getting even isn't
- 00:13:01.999 --> 00:13:05.502
- The way forward.
- 00:13:05.502 --> 00:13:06.837
- Now, fortunately, there's a third option.
- 00:13:06.837 --> 00:13:09.607
- It's the third option that it's not intuitive, it's a third
- 00:13:09.607 --> 00:13:13.777
- Option that actually decreases their power over us, and
- 00:13:13.777 --> 00:13:17.815
- Honestly, it's the third option that allows us to guard and
- 00:13:17.815 --> 00:13:20.684
- Protect our hearts, and it positions us, when this is said
- 00:13:20.684 --> 00:13:24.989
- And done, to tell a much better story.
- 00:13:24.989 --> 00:13:27.391
- Of course, the way forward is taught and modeled by jesus, but
- 00:13:27.391 --> 00:13:31.295
- It's also modeled in the old testament by a relatively
- 00:13:31.295 --> 00:13:34.932
- Unknown individual whose life intersects with the life
- 00:13:34.932 --> 00:13:38.936
- Of david.
- 00:13:38.936 --> 00:13:40.271
- Now, many of us, if you grew up around church, or in church, are
- 00:13:40.271 --> 00:13:43.641
- Familiar with who king david was, but this event doesn't take
- 00:13:43.641 --> 00:13:46.777
- Place when he's king david or even shepherd boy david, this
- 00:13:46.777 --> 00:13:50.414
- Event takes place when he is fugitive david.
- 00:13:50.414 --> 00:13:54.084
- After david, as a young teenager, killed goliath, you
- 00:13:54.084 --> 00:13:57.454
- Remember that story, he becomes a hero, a national hero in
- 00:13:57.454 --> 00:14:01.125
- Israel, in ancient israel.
- 00:14:01.125 --> 00:14:02.459
- And so, king saul, the king at the time, draws him in close,
- 00:14:02.459 --> 00:14:05.796
- Because david's a leader, he's a national hero.
- 00:14:05.796 --> 00:14:08.465
- You wanna keep your friends close, you wanna keep your
- 00:14:08.465 --> 00:14:10.367
- Potential rivals even closer.
- 00:14:10.367 --> 00:14:13.003
- And then king saul gets word that some rogue prophet has gone
- 00:14:13.003 --> 00:14:17.074
- To david's home as a little boy and anointed david to be the
- 00:14:17.074 --> 00:14:21.278
- Next king of israel.
- 00:14:21.278 --> 00:14:23.447
- Now, this is a real problem if you're already the king, because
- 00:14:23.447 --> 00:14:26.684
- Not only do you wanna finish out your years as king, you want
- 00:14:26.684 --> 00:14:29.186
- Your son, in his case jonathan, to become the next king.
- 00:14:29.186 --> 00:14:31.488
- So, this is messing with his dynasty, so king saul tries to
- 00:14:31.488 --> 00:14:35.492
- Kill david.
- 00:14:35.492 --> 00:14:36.827
- David escapes, he becomes a fugitive, he's living out in the
- 00:14:36.827 --> 00:14:41.098
- Wilderness, he's had to leave his family over time.
- 00:14:41.098 --> 00:14:44.435
- Because he's a leader, he attracts other men like him,
- 00:14:44.435 --> 00:14:47.471
- Other angry, mistreated outlaws.
- 00:14:47.471 --> 00:14:49.707
- They're outcast from society, they have no place to call home,
- 00:14:49.707 --> 00:14:53.277
- And they're all angry because each of them have their own
- 00:14:53.277 --> 00:14:55.446
- Story of being mistreated and the injustice that had happened
- 00:14:55.446 --> 00:14:58.949
- Under king saul.
- 00:14:58.949 --> 00:15:00.284
- So, david's got all this anger and all this frustration, of
- 00:15:00.284 --> 00:15:02.319
- Course like any of us, he's looking for a place to sort of
- 00:15:02.319 --> 00:15:05.622
- Take it out, somebody to take it out on, because king saul
- 00:15:05.622 --> 00:15:08.125
- Was untouchable.
- 00:15:08.125 --> 00:15:09.493
- And in this story, he finally finds a victim, and that's where
- 00:15:09.493 --> 00:15:12.963
- The story picks up.
- 00:15:12.963 --> 00:15:14.331
- So, i'll read part of the story, and then we're going to stop in
- 00:15:14.331 --> 00:15:16.633
- The middle, pick it up next time.
- 00:15:16.633 --> 00:15:17.968
- So, here's what happens.
- 00:15:17.968 --> 00:15:19.336
- "a certain man," this is in 1 samuel 25, and samuel is
- 00:15:19.336 --> 00:15:21.905
- Essentially david's biographer in a sense.
- 00:15:21.905 --> 00:15:25.075
- "a certain man in maon, who had property there in carmel, was
- 00:15:25.075 --> 00:15:29.013
- Very wealthy.
- 00:15:29.013 --> 00:15:30.381
- He had a thousand goats."
- 00:15:30.381 --> 00:15:32.049
- You know, you read this in ancient times it's like for us,
- 00:15:32.049 --> 00:15:34.585
- It's like what would you do with a thousand goats?
- 00:15:34.585 --> 00:15:36.954
- Anyway, so he had a thousand goats.
- 00:15:36.954 --> 00:15:38.322
- He had garages full of cars, think of it that way.
- 00:15:38.322 --> 00:15:41.125
- "he had 3,000 sheep which he was shearing in carmel, and his name
- 00:15:41.125 --> 00:15:46.797
- Was nabal."
- 00:15:46.797 --> 00:15:48.165
- Now, sheep shearing season, in ancient times, this is when
- 00:15:48.165 --> 00:15:51.268
- Wealthy people found out how much wealthier they had
- 00:15:51.268 --> 00:15:53.804
- Just become.
- 00:15:53.804 --> 00:15:55.139
- This was like a financial report, an annual
- 00:15:55.139 --> 00:15:57.708
- Financial report.
- 00:15:57.708 --> 00:15:59.043
- He's about to find out where he is financially, whether or not
- 00:15:59.043 --> 00:16:01.478
- He turned a profit, and if so, how much?
- 00:16:01.478 --> 00:16:04.114
- His name's nabal.
- 00:16:04.114 --> 00:16:05.482
- The text goes on and says this.
- 00:16:05.482 --> 00:16:06.817
- "his name was nabal and his wife's name was abigail.
- 00:16:06.817 --> 00:16:10.487
- She was an intelligent and beautiful woman, but her husband
- 00:16:10.487 --> 00:16:13.824
- Was harsh and mean in his dealings."
- 00:16:13.824 --> 00:16:16.693
- In fact, his name actually means heavy, and this hebrew word here
- 00:16:16.693 --> 00:16:23.067
- Actually means heavy, he was basically a pain to deal with.
- 00:16:23.067 --> 00:16:26.036
- He was a burden to deal with.
- 00:16:26.036 --> 00:16:27.604
- He was, in fact the text tells us, he was just a mean person.
- 00:16:27.604 --> 00:16:31.075
- The text continues, "while david and his men were in the
- 00:16:31.075 --> 00:16:34.945
- Wilderness, he heard that nabal was shearing sheep."
- 00:16:34.945 --> 00:16:38.182
- So, he was like, hey, this rich guy is about to get richer.
- 00:16:38.182 --> 00:16:40.350
- "so he sent ten of his young men, and he said to them, 'i
- 00:16:40.350 --> 00:16:43.554
- Want you to give nabal a message.
- 00:16:43.554 --> 00:16:45.322
- Go up to nabal at carmel and greet him in my name.'"
- 00:16:45.322 --> 00:16:48.025
- So when you show up, let everybody know you're coming in
- 00:16:48.025 --> 00:16:50.360
- David's name, and say to him, greet him this way.
- 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:53.430
- Say, "long life to you, nabal.
- 00:16:53.430 --> 00:16:55.365
- Good health to you and your household, and good health to
- 00:16:55.365 --> 00:16:58.168
- All that is yours."
- 00:16:58.168 --> 00:16:59.536
- This was a formal ancient greeting that basically said i
- 00:16:59.536 --> 00:17:02.306
- Come in peace.
- 00:17:02.306 --> 00:17:03.874
- And then make sure you give him the message, and here's
- 00:17:03.874 --> 00:17:06.110
- The message.
- 00:17:06.110 --> 00:17:07.478
- "when your shepherds were with us, we did not mistreat them.
- 00:17:07.478 --> 00:17:12.649
- The whole time they were at carmel, nothing of theirs
- 00:17:12.649 --> 00:17:16.286
- Went missing."
- 00:17:16.286 --> 00:17:17.654
- In other words, while your shepherds were out watching over
- 00:17:17.654 --> 00:17:19.990
- Their flocks by night, night, after night, after night during
- 00:17:19.990 --> 00:17:22.459
- That season, our men were all around them all the time and we
- 00:17:22.459 --> 00:17:26.396
- Never stole anything.
- 00:17:26.396 --> 00:17:28.132
- So, there's a sense in which your profit, your profit is due
- 00:17:28.132 --> 00:17:31.335
- In part to our protection.
- 00:17:31.335 --> 00:17:33.670
- Not only did we not allow our men to steal anything from you,
- 00:17:33.670 --> 00:17:36.406
- We didn't allow the other rogues in the area to steal anything
- 00:17:36.406 --> 00:17:39.276
- From you as well.
- 00:17:39.276 --> 00:17:40.611
- And he said, "and if you don't take my word for it," the
- 00:17:40.611 --> 00:17:43.614
- Message continues this way, "ask your own servants and they'll
- 00:17:43.614 --> 00:17:46.650
- Tell you.
- 00:17:46.650 --> 00:17:47.985
- Therefore be favorable toward my men, since we come at a
- 00:17:47.985 --> 00:17:50.888
- Festive time."
- 00:17:50.888 --> 00:17:52.356
- And please, if you would, "please give your servants and
- 00:17:52.356 --> 00:17:56.260
- Your son david whatever you can find for them."
- 00:17:56.260 --> 00:18:00.464
- In other words, you're gonna have extra, we kinda helped you
- 00:18:00.464 --> 00:18:03.767
- Create that extra, if you wouldn't mind sharing with us,
- 00:18:03.767 --> 00:18:05.936
- That would be great.
- 00:18:05.936 --> 00:18:07.304
- So, when david's men arrived, they went to carmel.
- 00:18:07.304 --> 00:18:09.973
- When they arrived, "they gave nabal this message in
- 00:18:09.973 --> 00:18:12.943
- David's name."
- 00:18:12.943 --> 00:18:15.045
- And then they waited, and they waited, and they waited.
- 00:18:15.045 --> 00:18:21.151
- So anyway, he keeps them waiting, but eventually nabal
- 00:18:21.151 --> 00:18:24.188
- Sends his answer, or perhaps he comes out and gives the answer
- 00:18:24.188 --> 00:18:26.857
- Himself, it's not clear.
- 00:18:26.857 --> 00:18:28.225
- Nabal answered, and here's what he said.
- 00:18:28.225 --> 00:18:30.060
- "nabal answered david's servants, 'who is this david?'"
- 00:18:30.060 --> 00:18:33.764
- You come in david's name, who is david?
- 00:18:33.764 --> 00:18:35.299
- "who is this son of jesse?"
- 00:18:35.299 --> 00:18:36.967
- So, he knew who david was, but he's like, you know what?
- 00:18:36.967 --> 00:18:40.103
- Yeah, we've heard of david, and you think he's such a big deal,
- 00:18:40.103 --> 00:18:42.673
- He's not such a big deal.
- 00:18:42.673 --> 00:18:44.007
- Who is this guy?
- 00:18:44.007 --> 00:18:45.375
- Hey, come on, he's just one of many.
- 00:18:45.375 --> 00:18:46.710
- "many servants are breaking away from their masters these days."
- 00:18:46.710 --> 00:18:50.180
- Your master is a nobody.
- 00:18:50.180 --> 00:18:51.949
- Your master is an outlaw.
- 00:18:51.949 --> 00:18:53.850
- I didn't ask for his help.
- 00:18:53.850 --> 00:18:55.285
- I didn't need his help.
- 00:18:55.285 --> 00:18:56.753
- I don't owe him anything.
- 00:18:56.753 --> 00:18:58.755
- So no, i'm not gonna share with david and his band of merry men.
- 00:18:58.755 --> 00:19:04.261
- You are dismissed.
- 00:19:04.261 --> 00:19:05.662
- Why, he says, why, "why should i take my bread and water, and the
- 00:19:05.662 --> 00:19:10.867
- Meat i have slaughtered for my shearers, and give it men coming
- 00:19:10.867 --> 00:19:14.905
- From," you know, where did you come from again?
- 00:19:14.905 --> 00:19:17.207
- So no, you're dismissed.
- 00:19:17.207 --> 00:19:20.477
- So, david's men turned around and they went back, "and when
- 00:19:20.477 --> 00:19:24.214
- They arrived, they repeated every word."
- 00:19:24.214 --> 00:19:28.552
- And then david said to his men, "oh well, it was worth a try."
- 00:19:28.552 --> 00:19:34.791
- No, david actually said to his men, "each of you strap on
- 00:19:34.791 --> 00:19:39.830
- Your sword."
- 00:19:39.830 --> 00:19:41.431
- So they did, and then an interesting detail in the text.
- 00:19:41.431 --> 00:19:45.102
- "and david strapped his on as well."
- 00:19:45.102 --> 00:19:48.972
- In other words, you mess with me, and you will see.
- 00:19:48.972 --> 00:19:52.843
- You mess with me, and you will pay.
- 00:19:52.843 --> 00:19:56.079
- Now, there's a reason i think why the author highlights david
- 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:00.317
- Arming himself with his sword.
- 00:20:00.317 --> 00:20:02.019
- Because david's sword was like no other sword.
- 00:20:02.019 --> 00:20:05.555
- David's sword was actually a reminder that he did not need to
- 00:20:05.555 --> 00:20:08.825
- Return evil for evil.
- 00:20:08.825 --> 00:20:10.193
- David's sword was actually a reminder that he did not need to
- 00:20:10.193 --> 00:20:12.663
- Take matters into his own hands.
- 00:20:12.663 --> 00:20:14.164
- In fact, i'm just curious, do you know where david got his
- 00:20:14.164 --> 00:20:16.566
- Sword, anybody?
- 00:20:16.566 --> 00:20:18.302
- Goliath, that's right, he got a sword from goliath.
- 00:20:18.302 --> 00:20:20.570
- So, goliath's sword is a visual aid of god's promise of
- 00:20:20.570 --> 00:20:25.008
- Protection and provision to david.
- 00:20:25.008 --> 00:20:27.878
- God had chosen him, god had raised him up as a teenager, god
- 00:20:27.878 --> 00:20:32.015
- Had anointed him as king.
- 00:20:32.015 --> 00:20:33.550
- He did not need to take matters into his own hands.
- 00:20:33.550 --> 00:20:36.320
- Of anybody on the planet at that time, david was the one person
- 00:20:36.320 --> 00:20:40.023
- Who could turn to god for help, and god would in fact intervene
- 00:20:40.023 --> 00:20:43.460
- On his behalf, but david is hurt.
- 00:20:43.460 --> 00:20:46.096
- David's angry, and he can't see any of that, and to him, it's
- 00:20:46.096 --> 00:20:49.666
- Just an oversized sword.
- 00:20:49.666 --> 00:20:51.702
- The story that goes with the sword, he's forgotten the story.
- 00:20:51.702 --> 00:20:54.705
- He's forgotten god's provision because he's so angry, and he's
- 00:20:54.705 --> 00:20:57.441
- So hurt, and he redirects his frustration with king saul,
- 00:20:57.441 --> 00:21:01.244
- Who's untouchable, toward nabal.
- 00:21:01.244 --> 00:21:05.549
- So, about 400 men, this is amazing, "about 400 men went up
- 00:21:05.549 --> 00:21:09.152
- With david."
- 00:21:09.152 --> 00:21:10.520
- Four-hundred men, okay, this was an overreaction of
- 00:21:10.520 --> 00:21:13.256
- Epic proportion.
- 00:21:13.256 --> 00:21:15.125
- This was going to be a massacre.
- 00:21:15.125 --> 00:21:18.895
- You've heard, we've all heard that hurt people hurt people.
- 00:21:18.895 --> 00:21:21.965
- This is a case of hunted people hunt people.
- 00:21:21.965 --> 00:21:25.936
- So, he sets out, and it's so interesting, because the
- 00:21:25.936 --> 00:21:28.338
- Biographer once again let's get inside david's head.
- 00:21:28.338 --> 00:21:30.807
- He begins internally to build up a head of steam to build
- 00:21:30.807 --> 00:21:33.810
- His case.
- 00:21:33.810 --> 00:21:35.145
- He's gonna build a case to justify what he's not 100% sure
- 00:21:35.145 --> 00:21:38.315
- He should be doing.
- 00:21:38.315 --> 00:21:39.649
- You ever do that?
- 00:21:39.649 --> 00:21:40.984
- Hey, you know, andy, i got an idea.
- 00:21:40.984 --> 00:21:42.452
- I think this was sandra's idea.
- 00:21:42.452 --> 00:21:43.787
- Hey, let's go into the house when roger is not there and
- 00:21:43.787 --> 00:21:45.555
- Slice his air mattress, fold it up, put it on the street with is
- 00:21:45.555 --> 00:21:48.325
- Clothes and his computer, and change the locks.
- 00:21:48.325 --> 00:21:50.560
- It might have been my idea, anyway, you just visualize, you
- 00:21:50.560 --> 00:21:53.964
- Know, what can we do to get back at this person that has done so
- 00:21:53.964 --> 00:21:56.833
- Much to us?
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- In fact, here's what the biographer says.
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- That david had just said to his guys, "it's been useless, all my
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- Watching over this fellow's property," kind of building up
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- His case, "in the wilderness, so that nothing of his
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- Was missing."
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- All this i've done for him, think of all the things i've
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- Done for him.
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- Think of all the nights we stayed up.
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- Think of all the things we could've stolen.
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- Think of how wealthy we could already be.
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- But what has he done?
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- "he has paid me back evil for good."
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- Then he, you know, he invites god into the equation.
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- "may god deal with me, be it ever so severely, if by morning
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- I leave one male of all who belong to him alive."
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- In other words, i'm going to murder him.
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- I'm going to kill his male servants.
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- And i'm going to kill his sons.
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- That'll teach him to treat me this way.
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- So, we're going to pause the story there, but here's what
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- We have so far.
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- We got two characters, we have two responses, and we have no
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- Hero, right?
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- We have nabal, we have david, evil for good.
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- David did good, he responded with evil.
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- David, who's about to do evil for evil, nabal is somewhat
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- Maniacal, and david is about to be predictable.
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- I mean, who could blame him for what he's about to do?
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- And sometimes again, it just seems like evil for evil is the
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- Only option.
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- Turns out, as i said earlier, it's not, there's a
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- Third option.
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- We're gonna talk about that in part two.
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- But here's what i want you to do between now and part two.
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- I want to give you four questions to think about.
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- The question number one is this.
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- Do you want to be even with someone you don't even like?
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- No, i already know the answer to this question.
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- No, we don't, but our natural response to mean people
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- Oftentimes is an attempt to get even with people we don't even
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- Like, to be like someone that we would readily admit that
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- We dislike.
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- The question number two, wouldn't you rather be ahead?
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- I mean, do you want to get even with someone you don't
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- Even like, or wouldn't you rather be ahead?
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- Wouldn't you prefer to be unlike the person or the people that
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- You dislike?
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- And this is, i said earlier, this is so not intuitive, but
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- Here's the thing.
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- And when i say it, you know it's true.
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- Unlike any other arena of life, you actually relationally pull
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- Ahead by refusing to get even.
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- You actually pull ahead by refusing to get even, and that
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- Leads to a third question that we ask a lot around here within
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- Several different contexts, and the third question is this.
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- When this is nothing more than a story you tell, what story do
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- You wanna tell?
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- When your response to this current relationship is nothing
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- More than a story you tell, what story do you wanna tell?
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- Do you wanna tell the story that i ended up just like the person
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- That i dislike because i allowed them to infuriate me into acting
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- Just like them?
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- It's not a good story.
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- It's not the story that any of us wanna tell.
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- And then the fourth question, the fourth question is the
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- Onramp to the solution.
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- The fourth question is the onramp to pulling ahead, and the
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- Fourth question sets us up and puts us in this uncomfortable
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- Space that we know we probably should step into, and if you're
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- A jesus follower, if you're a christian, you know with
- 00:25:28.778 --> 00:25:31.214
- Certainty you've been called to step into, but it's
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- So uncomfortable.
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- The fourth question is this, what would it look like, and you
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- Don't have to commit to this, you just have to have an
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- Internal conversation.
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- What would it look like to return good for evil?
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- Not just refuse to react, or to react in like kind, but to
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- Be kind.
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- Not just refuse to be bad, but to take seriously the words of
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- Jesus, because he was so direct about this.
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- I mean, there's a lot of things jesus said we have a hard time
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- Figuring out, this is too clear.
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- He said i want you to do good to those who mistreat you.
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- Don't just put up with 'em, don't just forgive them, don't
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- Just ignore them, don't just try not to be like them.
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- Jesus says no, that's not enough.
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- I want you to think through how to do good to those who
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- Mistreat you.
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- Because jesus knew that doing good to people who have not been
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- Good to us, it's ultimately what frees us, what protects
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- Our heart.
- 00:26:40.717 --> 00:26:42.085
- Getting even is natural, it's predictable.
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- Jesus has invited us to be unpredictable.
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- Jesus has invited us to do something extraordinary.
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- It's as if he's saying don't be predictable, don't write a
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- Predictable story, write a remarkable story.
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- Write that story that's worth telling.
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- And what will determine whether or not that story's worth
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- Telling is not what the other person does, 'cause you have no
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- Control over that, it is 100% right here, in our decision
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- Whether or not to respond either in like kind, or to be kind, to
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- Do good for those who have mistreated us.
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- Remarkable begins with an honest answer to this question.
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- What would it look like?
- 00:27:24.194 --> 00:27:25.729
- What would it look like to return good for evil?
- 00:27:25.729 --> 00:27:28.565
- What would it look like to do good to the person who has
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- Mistreated you?
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- Because you don't pull ahead by attempting to get even.
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- And we will pick it up right there next time in part two of
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- "mean people."
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