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Your Move with Andy Stanley | Andy Stanley - Under The Circumstances (Part 3) | August 9, 2025
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- Andy stanley: hi, everybody. welcome to "your move" where we
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- Help you make better decisions and live with fewer regrets.
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- I'm andy stanley and i'll be your guide.
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- And today we're going to explore what god is like and who
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- God likes.
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- And while i'm no expert, i've read the biographies of someone
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- Who is, namely jesus of nazareth.
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- Now, this is amazing.
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- Jesus came to illustrate and demonstrate what god is like and
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- Who god likes and as it turns out, he likes you.
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- And i'll tell you why, right here on "your move."
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- Stick around.
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- ♪♪♪
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- Andy: today, we're wrapping up our series, three-part series,
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- "under the circumstances: holding on to god when it
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- Appears god is no longer holding on to you."
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- And in this series, we are exploring the question, not
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- Answering it.
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- We're exploring the question: what do our circumstances say
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- About the love of god?
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- And what do your circumstances say about the presence of god?
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- What do your circumstances say, if anything, about the existence
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- Of god?
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- Because we're all tempted, all of us.
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- Me included.
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- We are all tempted to jump to conclusions about god based on
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- Our circumstances, both positive circumstances and negative, our
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- Circumstances and the circumstances of other people.
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- And when things are up and to the right, god's blessing.
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- When things are up and to the right, i got god all
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- Figured out.
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- When things are up and to the right, you know, you know,
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- God is good.
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- God is good all the time, right?
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- When things are down and to the right, where's god?
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- Is there god?
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- What am i doing wrong?
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- Or what did i do wrong to somehow deserve this?
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- Now, if you have to leave early or tune out early, i hope you
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- Don't, i just wanna go ahead and give you the bottom line.
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- This is so important.
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- Circumstances, regardless of how negative they are,
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- Circumstances, regardless of how extreme they are, circumstances
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- Do not have to be an off ramp to faith.
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- Jesus went out of his way to create a scenario to make that
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- Very point.
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- If you missed part one of this series, you need to go back and
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- Watch it.
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- Jesus went out of his way to create a scenario to prove to us
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- And to give us an example that the most negative circumstances
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- Imaginable do not have to be an off ramp to your faith.
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- And today we're gonna discover that doubt and doubts don't have
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- To be an off ramp to our faith, either.
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- Exhibit a: john the baptist.
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- In fact, john the baptist's story is a reminder that
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- Actually that doubt and doubts are baked into the story of
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- Christianity, that if you have doubts, there's nothing wrong
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- With you.
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- You are probably right where you need to be and you're
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- Gonna discover yourself in today's story.
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- Now, if, as you probably know, if you've been around church,
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- John the baptist took on the role of a prophet which meant
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- There was no nuance.
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- Everything was good or it was bad.
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- There's no in between.
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- There's no gray, there's no compromise.
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- He called it as he saw it.
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- He was not shy.
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- He was not capable of compromise.
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- So when king herod antipas decided to marry his brother's
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- Wife, john decided, "okay, i gotta--i gotta talk about that,
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- And i gotta talk about it publicly," because that was
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- Against the law.
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- You couldn't marry your brother's wife even if they
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- Were divorced.
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- And not only that, he's the king and as the king goes, you know,
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- So goes society.
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- So john the baptist would talk about this in public.
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- I mean, maybe, you know, they're carting herodias or herod
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- Antipas through the, you know, through the streets on one of
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- Those things they would carry on slave--shoulders of slaves.
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- That's how they traveled because they were above the ground and
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- The dirt.
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- Well, you know, it was muddy and didn't get your feet muddy.
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- That's what they did.
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- And they had little shades pulled and, you know, they're
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- Going through this town and they hear john the baptist,
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- "adulterous, adulterous, adulterous."
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- I mean, he just--it's like he just called him out and he's, in
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- His mind, he's doing the right thing.
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- I mean, he's speaking truth to power, right?
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- This is what he would say, literally, we're told in
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- The text--this is amazing.
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- Mark tells us and mark was-- mark got all this information
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- From peter who was there for all this.
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- It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife.
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- I mean, "it's not just you're committing--committed adultery,
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- It's not lawful for you.
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- You are breaking torah, you are violating god's standards.
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- You are--you are ceremonially unclean.
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- It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife."
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- So as you might imagine, herodias, the new wife, nursed a
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- Grudge against john and wanted to kill him.
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- Of course he did, but there was a problem.
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- But she was not able to do so because herod feared john and he
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- Protected him, specifically from herodias, right?
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- Knowing him to be a righteous and holy man.
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- I mean, herod antipas knows, "okay, what i did was not cool
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- At all.
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- It did violate god's law.
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- I know what i would think about somebody else doing this."
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- So he knew he was guilty.
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- So when herod heard john, this is amazing.
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- When herod heard john, because he loved to hear him speak, he
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- Was greatly puzzled and yet he liked to listen to him.
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- Well, eventually, herodias has her way and she at least
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- Convinces her husband to have john the baptist arrested.
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- So john the baptist gets arrested by herod's men and
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- Herod and--wisely does not imprison him in jerusalem where
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- Herodias could get to him.
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- He imprisons john the baptist in a desert dungeon back down in
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- The jordan river valley far away from the city of jerusalem.
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- But it is a miserable, miserable, miserable place
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- To be.
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- And perhaps i think he put him there to protect him from his
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- New life.
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- And this is when the story goes completely off the rails.
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- This is when the story gets extraordinarily confusing or
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- Perhaps extraordinarily encouraging.
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- You ready for this?
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- Now, when jesus heard that john, cousin john, now when jesus
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- Heard that john, the most popular man in judea, righteous
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- Man, everybody knows he's a good guy.
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- When jesus heard that john had been taken into custody, what do
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- You think jesus did?
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- Spring him, bust him out, send an angel to bust him out, send
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- Some friends, you know, bake some brownies and visit him at
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- Least, loaves and fish, you know, or turn herodias into a
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- Loaf and feed her to the fish.
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- I mean, there's all kinds of things, you know, jesus could
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- Have done.
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- This is so strange, and matthew who's there for all this.
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- Matthew was a tax collector who had people who worked for him,
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- Scribes, who scribed everything down.
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- That's why matthew's gospel account is so full of detail.
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- Listen to how matthew explains what happened.
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- "now when jesus heard that john had been taken into custody,
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- He withdrew."
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- If we had a map, it would illustrate just how much
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- He withdrew.
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- "he withdrew to galilee.
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- Leaving nazareth, he went and lived," not visited,
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- Not vacation.
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- "he went and lived in capernaum."
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- If you had a map of the holy land, judea and jerusalem is
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- In the south.
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- Jesus left the south, left judea, went all the way to
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- Galilee and went as far north into galilee as he
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- Possibly could.
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- He gets to the sea of galilee and he goes all the way up to
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- The very tip top of the lake.
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- He's by, walking distance, he's close to 200 miles away or more
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- From john the baptist and he wasn't already there when he
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- Heard, this is what's amazing.
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- When he heard what happened to john, matthew sandwiches this--
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- These two ideas together almost in a single sentence.
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- Jesus automatically and immediately withdrew to galilee,
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- And get this.
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- He settles--he settles in capernaum, which is a beautiful,
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- Beautiful fishing village on the north end of the sea of galilee.
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- John the baptist is arrested, put in a dungeon.
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- Jesus went to the lake and he didn't just go for the weekend.
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- He went and he lived there with his guys.
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- The opposite direction, while john is sweating it out in a
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- Desert dungeon.
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- It's horrible.
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- It was intentional.
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- Here's what i mean by that?
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- Do you ever feel like god is a million miles away?
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- That in your moment of greatest need, you've never felt more
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- Distance from god?
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- I know you have felt that.
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- When things are up and to the right, you just feel like
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- The presence of god.
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- You know, you sing these songs with, you know, so much
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- Enthusiasm and then circumstances turn and it's
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- Like, where is god?
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- Do you ever feel like god's a million miles away?
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- Kick back at the lake while you're sweating it out?
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- You are not the first, you won't be the last.
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- Matthew's like, i wanna make sure you see the connection
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- Between these two big ideas.
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- Isn't that amazing?
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- So john was in prison for a year.
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- Let me tell you about prisons back then.
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- They did not have a cafeteria, they didn't have a lunch line.
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- You didn't get some time out, you know, to stretch your
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- Legs, okay?
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- Nothing like that.
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- You're in a hole in the ground or you're in a, you know,
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- Basically a brick building that you're let out from time
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- To time--there's no food.
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- The only way you're gonna eat is if you have friends and family.
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- If you don't have friends and family that visit you, bring you
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- Food, you may starve to death, you may just die of malnutrition
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- Or of thirst because there's-- it's not a food program.
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- So john the baptist has people coming and going and taking care
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- Of him.
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- So a year goes by and never hears from jesus.
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- Six months goes by and never hears from jesus.
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- And the greatest man born of women, according to jesus,
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- Begins to doubt.
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- Because what was true of us is true of john.
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- A change of scenery rocked his serenity.
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- Things are up and to the right, god is good.
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- Things take a turn for the worse, you get that call, you
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- Get that call from one of your kids.
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- It's like, oh no, where's god?
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- And john the baptist begins to wonder if maybe he had jesus
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- All wrong.
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- And there we are once again, right in the middle of
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- The story.
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- But there's more insult to injury.
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- John receives--john receives regular updates on all the
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- Amazing things jesus is doing for other people.
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- His disciples actually are coming and going.
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- John's disciples are coming and going and they're keeping
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- John updated.
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- It's like, "john, you're not gonna believe what your cousin
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- Did this time.
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- Okay, you ready for this?
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- He's on his way.
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- He preached this amazing sermon.
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- We don't understand what most of it meant.
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- But anyway, right afterwards, he comes down into the town and
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- A centurion--a centurion comes up to your cousin and says,
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- 'hey, my servant is at home sick.'
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- And your cousin, the rabbi jesus, said to a centurion he'd
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- Never met before, 'i'll go to your house and heal your servant
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- That i've never met before.'
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- And then on their way, he stops and he heals the servant from
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- Four blocks away.
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- Your cousin works remotely.
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- It's amazing.
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- He can say words and people are healed," and john is thinking
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- Exactly what we would be thinking.
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- "well, then, why not me?
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- Why not me?
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- Why doesn't he just say the word?
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- Whatever happened to the part about 'i've come to set the
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- Captives free.'
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- I'm an actual captive and you know my name.
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- What about me?"
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- And once again, there we are in the story.
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- I wanna be happy for all the happy people.
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- I wanna be happy for all the healthy people.
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- You wanna be happy for all the people who had children
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- And grandchildren.
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- You wanna be happy for the people whose marriage made it
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- And the counseling worked and they overcame the thing they
- 00:11:28.105 --> 00:11:30.908
- Overcame and their husband overcame it.
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- You wanna be happy for them and i wanna be happy for you.
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- John the baptist, the greatest man who ever lived according to
- 00:11:37.948 --> 00:11:44.288
- Jesus, right?
- 00:11:44.288 --> 00:11:46.090
- Isn't god good to you?
- 00:11:46.090 --> 00:11:49.360
- Why is it that god comes through for everybody but you?
- 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:54.899
- Why is it that god seems to be coming through for everybody
- 00:11:54.899 --> 00:11:57.868
- Right now but you?
- 00:11:57.868 --> 00:11:59.503
- That's john the baptist, one of jesus's favorite people.
- 00:11:59.503 --> 00:12:02.773
- Well, finally, john, he's had enough because he's human
- 00:12:02.773 --> 00:12:05.776
- Like us.
- 00:12:05.776 --> 00:12:07.111
- And so the text says when john who was in prison heard about
- 00:12:07.111 --> 00:12:11.115
- The deeds of the messiah, he sent his disciples to ask him.
- 00:12:11.115 --> 00:12:15.152
- So it's like, "okay, i keep hearing all this stuff, but i've
- 00:12:15.152 --> 00:12:17.488
- Got some questions.
- 00:12:17.488 --> 00:12:18.823
- This isn't making any sense.
- 00:12:18.823 --> 00:12:20.191
- You're doing all this amazing stuff.
- 00:12:20.191 --> 00:12:21.859
- Meanwhile, you're letting me rot in a prison and i didn't do
- 00:12:21.859 --> 00:12:24.762
- Anything wrong.
- 00:12:24.762 --> 00:12:26.096
- In fact, i did something right.
- 00:12:26.096 --> 00:12:27.464
- I did the bold thing, the powerful thing, the courageous
- 00:12:27.464 --> 00:12:30.434
- Thing, and now i'm suffering for doing the right thing.
- 00:12:30.434 --> 00:12:32.736
- So how about--how about delivering me from our
- 00:12:32.736 --> 00:12:36.240
- Sick king?"
- 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.375
- So when john who was in prison heard about the deeds of the
- 00:12:38.375 --> 00:12:41.078
- Messiah, he sent his disciples to ask him.
- 00:12:41.078 --> 00:12:44.014
- Here's the question he sent to jesus.
- 00:12:44.014 --> 00:12:47.284
- Here we are again in the story.
- 00:12:47.284 --> 00:12:50.721
- "are you the one?"
- 00:12:50.721 --> 00:12:52.556
- It's, "was i mistaken?
- 00:12:52.556 --> 00:12:55.626
- Have i been believing a fairy tale?
- 00:12:55.626 --> 00:12:57.194
- Have i been believing a lie?
- 00:12:57.194 --> 00:12:58.562
- Are you the one who is to come?"
- 00:12:58.562 --> 00:13:00.865
- I mean this is john the baptist who announced jesus is the one
- 00:13:00.865 --> 00:13:03.968
- Who was to come: "behold, the lamb of god who comes to take
- 00:13:03.968 --> 00:13:05.970
- The sins of the world."
- 00:13:05.970 --> 00:13:07.338
- "but i don't know anymore, because this doesn't make any
- 00:13:07.338 --> 00:13:10.074
- Sense to me.
- 00:13:10.074 --> 00:13:11.408
- You're not doing what i think the lamb of god should do for
- 00:13:11.408 --> 00:13:14.478
- His friends.
- 00:13:14.478 --> 00:13:16.614
- Are you the one who is to come or should we expect
- 00:13:16.614 --> 00:13:21.919
- Someone else?
- 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:25.289
- Is this--is this even real?
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- Is there anything to this?
- 00:13:30.127 --> 00:13:31.595
- Am i just a victim of wishful thinking?
- 00:13:31.595 --> 00:13:33.530
- Am i just believing because my parents taught me to believe
- 00:13:33.530 --> 00:13:35.833
- This stuff.
- 00:13:35.833 --> 00:13:37.201
- Is this magic?
- 00:13:37.201 --> 00:13:38.535
- Is it a fairy tale?
- 00:13:38.535 --> 00:13:39.904
- The sky father, right?
- 00:13:39.904 --> 00:13:41.238
- Is this something that we teach just to keep the kids in line?"
- 00:13:41.238 --> 00:13:45.509
- John the baptist.
- 00:13:45.509 --> 00:13:47.311
- You see, i'm convinced and i could be wrong.
- 00:13:47.311 --> 00:13:50.381
- I'm convinced that jesus let lazarus die for our benefit.
- 00:13:50.381 --> 00:13:54.852
- And i think jesus let john stew in a prison cell for our benefit
- 00:13:54.852 --> 00:13:59.523
- As well.
- 00:13:59.523 --> 00:14:00.858
- Did jesus love these men?
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- Yes.
- 00:14:03.193 --> 00:14:04.528
- Does jesus love you?
- 00:14:04.528 --> 00:14:05.896
- Yes.
- 00:14:05.896 --> 00:14:07.231
- So they come to jesus and they say, "hey."
- 00:14:07.231 --> 00:14:09.967
- They finally find jesus.
- 00:14:09.967 --> 00:14:11.302
- He's with a crowd again and they're like, "hey, rabbi,
- 00:14:11.302 --> 00:14:14.204
- Cousin john has some questions for you.
- 00:14:14.204 --> 00:14:16.507
- He wants to know and this is a little bit embarrassing.
- 00:14:16.507 --> 00:14:19.209
- Please don't judge him too harshly.
- 00:14:19.209 --> 00:14:20.577
- But it's been a year and a half, cousin john wants to know, are
- 00:14:20.577 --> 00:14:25.382
- You--are you who he told everyone you are?
- 00:14:25.382 --> 00:14:28.652
- Because he has his doubts.
- 00:14:28.652 --> 00:14:30.454
- And to be honest, we're wondering ourself."
- 00:14:30.454 --> 00:14:34.692
- And here's what jesus said, matthew again, who recorded
- 00:14:34.692 --> 00:14:37.795
- All this.
- 00:14:37.795 --> 00:14:39.163
- "jesus said to john's disciples, 'go back and report to john what
- 00:14:39.163 --> 00:14:43.867
- You hear and see.'"
- 00:14:43.867 --> 00:14:45.903
- To which they thought, okay, that's not, like,
- 00:14:45.903 --> 00:14:48.238
- Really encouraging.
- 00:14:48.238 --> 00:14:49.573
- We wanna let you know we've been doing that all along.
- 00:14:49.573 --> 00:14:51.642
- He's not encouraged by all the things you're doing for
- 00:14:51.642 --> 00:14:56.013
- Everybody else that you never met until they asked.
- 00:14:56.013 --> 00:15:00.451
- And john--jesus is like, "no, no, i want you to go back and
- 00:15:00.451 --> 00:15:03.053
- Tell him what you hear, then see.
- 00:15:03.053 --> 00:15:04.388
- And i want you to tell him this specifically.
- 00:15:04.388 --> 00:15:06.890
- Tell cousin john, tell--tell the prophet, tell him that
- 00:15:06.890 --> 00:15:11.895
- The blind received their sight."
- 00:15:11.895 --> 00:15:15.032
- This is--this is unheard of, this is remarkable.
- 00:15:15.032 --> 00:15:18.469
- "and tell him that men and women who've never walked before are
- 00:15:18.469 --> 00:15:21.505
- Walking and those who had leprosy are cleansed and the
- 00:15:21.505 --> 00:15:23.507
- Deaf hear, and the dead are raised."
- 00:15:23.507 --> 00:15:30.848
- And they say, "okay, we'll tell him."
- 00:15:30.848 --> 00:15:34.551
- They write it down, remember it, and they leave.
- 00:15:34.551 --> 00:15:38.155
- And then, this is the best part.
- 00:15:38.155 --> 00:15:41.025
- Then jesus says something for us.
- 00:15:41.025 --> 00:15:46.663
- He addresses the crowd, but he doesn't say this for the crowd.
- 00:15:46.663 --> 00:15:50.701
- He says this for me.
- 00:15:50.701 --> 00:15:52.169
- He says this for us.
- 00:15:52.169 --> 00:15:53.504
- For those of us who wonder if god knows and wonder if god
- 00:15:53.504 --> 00:15:55.672
- Really cares.
- 00:15:55.672 --> 00:15:57.041
- And jesus looks at that audience, but he says this for
- 00:15:57.041 --> 00:15:59.176
- You and he says that for--this for me.
- 00:15:59.176 --> 00:16:00.811
- He says this for us. and this is amazing.
- 00:16:00.811 --> 00:16:03.414
- I'm gonna read it to you, but i gotta say one more time.
- 00:16:03.414 --> 00:16:05.182
- Nobody would make this up.
- 00:16:05.182 --> 00:16:06.984
- Nobody in the first century could make this up.
- 00:16:06.984 --> 00:16:11.288
- Jesus looks at them and speaks to us and he says this,
- 00:16:11.288 --> 00:16:14.258
- It's amazing.
- 00:16:14.258 --> 00:16:15.793
- "happy, or blessed is anyone of any generation, blessed is
- 00:16:15.793 --> 00:16:22.933
- Anyone who does not stumble on account of me."
- 00:16:22.933 --> 00:16:31.141
- Jesus anticipated your confusion and mine.
- 00:16:31.141 --> 00:16:36.847
- Jesus anticipated our doubts.
- 00:16:36.847 --> 00:16:40.184
- Jesus anticipated as we sit back and try to make this a formula.
- 00:16:40.184 --> 00:16:43.720
- And i thought if i did, god must, and if i promised, and
- 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:46.590
- God will.
- 00:16:46.590 --> 00:16:47.925
- I thought there was some kind of formula, some kind of code, and
- 00:16:47.925 --> 00:16:49.893
- God's not acting like i think god should act and jesus isn't
- 00:16:49.893 --> 00:16:52.763
- Responding like i think jesus should respond.
- 00:16:52.763 --> 00:16:55.132
- And jesus is saying, "blessed is the person, blessed is the
- 00:16:55.132 --> 00:16:58.902
- Person that does not get tripped up when i don't act like they
- 00:16:58.902 --> 00:17:05.109
- Think i ought to act.
- 00:17:05.109 --> 00:17:06.844
- Blessed are the followers who don't quit following, when their
- 00:17:06.844 --> 00:17:11.248
- Heavenly father doesn't do what they think their heavenly father
- 00:17:11.248 --> 00:17:14.685
- Ought to do."
- 00:17:14.685 --> 00:17:16.820
- He anticipated our confusion.
- 00:17:16.820 --> 00:17:18.956
- His response or non-response may trip us up.
- 00:17:18.956 --> 00:17:23.360
- His response or non-response may cause us to doubt.
- 00:17:23.360 --> 00:17:27.998
- It might tempt us to walk away and that's unnecessary.
- 00:17:27.998 --> 00:17:30.634
- And i wanna say this to some of you today because you're right
- 00:17:30.634 --> 00:17:32.469
- On the edge of that, you're reaching for the doorknob to go.
- 00:17:32.469 --> 00:17:34.505
- Okay, the reason jesus said this is this.
- 00:17:34.505 --> 00:17:37.174
- He knows and some of you have experienced this, that when you
- 00:17:37.174 --> 00:17:40.477
- Lose faith, you opt for something to substitute for
- 00:17:40.477 --> 00:17:43.747
- Your faith.
- 00:17:43.747 --> 00:17:45.082
- When you decide god's not it, jesus is not it, christianity is
- 00:17:45.082 --> 00:17:47.584
- Not it, you will opt for something else.
- 00:17:47.584 --> 00:17:50.654
- You will choose something else and that something else usually
- 00:17:50.654 --> 00:17:54.324
- Makes things worse, not better.
- 00:17:54.324 --> 00:17:58.595
- I love what philip yancey says.
- 00:17:58.595 --> 00:18:00.397
- I don't even remember which book this was from, but i just hang
- 00:18:00.397 --> 00:18:04.334
- On to this.
- 00:18:04.334 --> 00:18:05.669
- He says, "the only thing worse-- the only thing worse than
- 00:18:05.669 --> 00:18:08.772
- Disappointment with god is trying to navigate
- 00:18:08.772 --> 00:18:13.143
- Disappointment without god."
- 00:18:13.143 --> 00:18:16.046
- The only thing worse than disappointment with god, god's
- 00:18:16.046 --> 00:18:20.117
- Not acting the way i think god should act, is facing
- 00:18:20.117 --> 00:18:22.920
- Disappointment once you put god in the rear view mirror.
- 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:28.192
- Because in that moment, you have no hope of ever making sense of
- 00:18:28.192 --> 00:18:32.729
- Things and you have no hope that things will ever make sense.
- 00:18:32.729 --> 00:18:39.102
- And jesus says--this is amazing.
- 00:18:39.102 --> 00:18:41.138
- He says, "i understand.
- 00:18:41.138 --> 00:18:43.907
- I understand how my behavior--i understand how the inactivity of
- 00:18:43.907 --> 00:18:50.247
- The heavenly father--i understand how unanswered prayer
- 00:18:50.247 --> 00:18:54.084
- May trip you up.
- 00:18:54.084 --> 00:18:56.053
- Blessed is the one who doesn't allow themselves to be
- 00:18:56.053 --> 00:19:00.123
- Tripped up.
- 00:19:00.123 --> 00:19:01.491
- Happy.
- 00:19:01.491 --> 00:19:02.826
- Happy is the one who does not confuse my silence for
- 00:19:02.826 --> 00:19:05.462
- My absence.
- 00:19:05.462 --> 00:19:06.897
- Happy is the--happy is the follower who follows anyway.
- 00:19:06.897 --> 00:19:10.167
- Happy is the believer who continues to believe anyway."
- 00:19:10.167 --> 00:19:16.139
- And then john's disciples leave to go tell john the good news.
- 00:19:16.139 --> 00:19:22.279
- Jesus makes the comment i just read, and this is when he says
- 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:26.683
- To the audience because they're confused, like, "why don't you
- 00:19:26.683 --> 00:19:30.387
- Go with them?
- 00:19:30.387 --> 00:19:31.755
- Why don't you do something?
- 00:19:31.755 --> 00:19:33.090
- We love john the baptist.
- 00:19:33.090 --> 00:19:34.424
- I mean, john the baptist is a legend.
- 00:19:34.424 --> 00:19:35.792
- Why don't you do something?"
- 00:19:35.792 --> 00:19:38.362
- And jesus assures them.
- 00:19:38.362 --> 00:19:39.696
- He says, "no, i get it.
- 00:19:39.696 --> 00:19:41.465
- I understand how my behavior is so confusing to you.
- 00:19:41.465 --> 00:19:45.802
- So let me just assure you."
- 00:19:45.802 --> 00:19:47.337
- This is when he says it.
- 00:19:47.337 --> 00:19:48.705
- "i say to you, among those born of women, there is no one
- 00:19:48.705 --> 00:19:53.910
- Greater than john the baptist.
- 00:19:53.910 --> 00:19:56.113
- He's the best.
- 00:19:56.113 --> 00:19:57.581
- He's one of my favorites, but i'm not going to rescue him,"
- 00:19:57.581 --> 00:20:04.621
- And he didn't.
- 00:20:04.621 --> 00:20:06.857
- And he may not rescue you either, but you don't have to
- 00:20:06.857 --> 00:20:15.098
- Stumble away from jesus, your savior.
- 00:20:15.098 --> 00:20:19.870
- God may answer your prayer.
- 00:20:19.870 --> 00:20:21.805
- He may answer it in a way you don't expect.
- 00:20:21.805 --> 00:20:23.440
- He may answer your prayer in a timing that's not your timing.
- 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:27.044
- I get all that, but there may be a no, there may be a no rescue.
- 00:20:27.044 --> 00:20:34.918
- Does that mean god doesn't care?
- 00:20:34.918 --> 00:20:36.286
- Does god--that mean god is silent?
- 00:20:36.286 --> 00:20:37.621
- Does that mean god isn't up to something?
- 00:20:37.621 --> 00:20:38.989
- Absolutely not.
- 00:20:38.989 --> 00:20:40.490
- Jesus arranged these scenarios, these narratives, these actual
- 00:20:40.490 --> 00:20:45.796
- Historical incidents, for our benefit.
- 00:20:45.796 --> 00:20:48.999
- Happy are those who face adversity, trust anyway, follow
- 00:20:48.999 --> 00:20:54.905
- Anyway, and don't stumble away from god, their father.
- 00:20:54.905 --> 00:21:02.813
- Now, i know some of you are thinking, i would be thinking,
- 00:21:02.813 --> 00:21:05.716
- "yeah, it's easy for you to say, andy, easy for you to say, you
- 00:21:05.716 --> 00:21:07.818
- Don't know my story," and i don't know your story.
- 00:21:07.818 --> 00:21:10.454
- I'm telling you.
- 00:21:10.454 --> 00:21:11.788
- If i was not confident of this, i would not stand up here and
- 00:21:11.788 --> 00:21:13.924
- Say it.
- 00:21:13.924 --> 00:21:15.359
- And if i was that other kind of preacher, i would get up here
- 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:17.627
- And say no, if you trust in god, it's all gonna work out.
- 00:21:17.627 --> 00:21:20.430
- You're gonna get a bow and then over time, we just chase off all
- 00:21:20.430 --> 00:21:22.999
- The people who don't have a bow.
- 00:21:22.999 --> 00:21:24.334
- We just have a big church full of people with bows and
- 00:21:24.334 --> 00:21:26.103
- Everybody, they look around, everything's working out.
- 00:21:26.103 --> 00:21:28.271
- We must have more faith than everybody else.
- 00:21:28.271 --> 00:21:30.107
- That is not christianity.
- 00:21:30.107 --> 00:21:31.675
- That is not the gospel.
- 00:21:31.675 --> 00:21:33.076
- You do not find that in the teaching of jesus.
- 00:21:33.076 --> 00:21:34.945
- What you find is two of his favorite men he let suffer and
- 00:21:34.945 --> 00:21:41.184
- Yet he was as active as he has ever been.
- 00:21:41.184 --> 00:21:43.887
- And here we are talking about him 2000 years later, but i
- 00:21:43.887 --> 00:21:49.659
- Wouldn't get up here and say it if i wasn't confident.
- 00:21:49.659 --> 00:21:51.228
- So on sundays, i get here early as you might imagine.
- 00:21:51.228 --> 00:21:54.264
- And one of my things i like to do is just walk around
- 00:21:54.264 --> 00:21:56.099
- The auditorium and meet people.
- 00:21:56.099 --> 00:21:58.001
- So, on one of my journeys, about a year ago, i met a woman named
- 00:21:58.001 --> 00:22:01.438
- Mary ann jones.
- 00:22:01.438 --> 00:22:02.806
- Mary ann is 86 years old.
- 00:22:02.806 --> 00:22:04.341
- And we've--and so every sunday she stands up because she has
- 00:22:04.341 --> 00:22:06.877
- Something she wants me to do and we're kind of arguing about it.
- 00:22:06.877 --> 00:22:08.979
- We've been arguing for a year.
- 00:22:08.979 --> 00:22:10.313
- I'm not gonna tell you what that is.
- 00:22:10.313 --> 00:22:11.681
- But anyway, so when she sees me coming, she stands up and she's
- 00:22:11.681 --> 00:22:13.917
- Waiting for me, you know.
- 00:22:13.917 --> 00:22:15.285
- So every sunday, mary and--mary and i have a
- 00:22:15.285 --> 00:22:17.554
- Friendly conversation.
- 00:22:17.554 --> 00:22:18.889
- So at some point, i wanted to ask her a question.
- 00:22:18.889 --> 00:22:20.590
- I got her cellphone number and so then she had my cell phone
- 00:22:20.590 --> 00:22:22.926
- Number, and then every sunday, every sunday she sends me a text
- 00:22:22.926 --> 00:22:26.663
- And rates the sermon, every sunday.
- 00:22:26.663 --> 00:22:30.000
- Not making this up.
- 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.334
- She's gonna rate today's.
- 00:22:31.334 --> 00:22:32.702
- I guarantee you, i'll get a text and i usually get an 8, 9,
- 00:22:32.702 --> 00:22:34.604
- Or sometimes a 10.
- 00:22:34.604 --> 00:22:35.939
- A few weeks ago, i got a 100.
- 00:22:35.939 --> 00:22:37.274
- I'm like, "whoa, did you change the scale or was it really that
- 00:22:37.274 --> 00:22:39.443
- Good," you know?
- 00:22:39.443 --> 00:22:41.945
- So one sunday i said, "mary ann, i wanna know your whole story.
- 00:22:41.945 --> 00:22:44.948
- You're 86 years old."
- 00:22:44.948 --> 00:22:46.316
- And she said, "okay."
- 00:22:46.316 --> 00:22:47.651
- So i invited her to my office.
- 00:22:47.651 --> 00:22:49.586
- She came, we spent 2 hours together.
- 00:22:49.586 --> 00:22:51.054
- I said, "start from the very beginning."
- 00:22:51.054 --> 00:22:52.856
- She told me her whole story.
- 00:22:52.856 --> 00:22:54.324
- Very, very difficult childhood, just needed to escape the home.
- 00:22:54.324 --> 00:23:01.364
- Met her husband, got married.
- 00:23:01.364 --> 00:23:03.567
- Fast forward, and had three beautiful daughters.
- 00:23:03.567 --> 00:23:06.903
- And then their youngest daughter, karen, when she was
- 00:23:06.903 --> 00:23:09.539
- 21, was hit by a drunk driver, a 19-year-old drunk driver.
- 00:23:09.539 --> 00:23:13.643
- Killed instantly along with a friend.
- 00:23:13.643 --> 00:23:15.946
- Now, mary ann was a christian and she and tom, you know, were,
- 00:23:15.946 --> 00:23:18.582
- You know, had their faith and their personal faith and walked
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- With god.
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- But this was, of course, devastating, just
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- Completely devastating.
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- Just wrecked them in every single kind of way and where's
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- God and why, god?
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- And we did all the right things, all the things we would say and
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- All the questions that we would ask.
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- But she kinda clawed her way back to developing a faith and
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- Was able to pray again and trust god again.
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- About six months after that, their church had a special guest
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- Speaker who came in during the week on a weeknight to do a
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- Lecture on the topic of why bad things happen to good people.
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- And mary ann's husband didn't wanna go, but mary said "i
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- Wanna go."
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- So she went and so this lecturer, this pastor, got up
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- And there's about 150 people there.
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- And he talked for about 30, 45 minutes about why bad things
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- Happen to good people.
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- Then he said, "are there any questions?"
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- And mary ann said, "'i raised my hand,' and he said, 'yes?'
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- And i stood up and i said, 'so, pastor, why do bad things happen
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- To good people,' after he'd just spent 40 minutes answering
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- The question."
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- And so she said, she sat down and he--she said, he kind of
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- Reviewed the whole message again and asked, "are there any
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- More questions?"
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- She said, "i stood back up and said, 'pastor, so why do bad
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- Things happen to good people?'"
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- She asked the question three times and he explained slower
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- The third time, but he just kept saying the same thing.
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- And after she asked him for the third time in front of all these
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- People, he kind of lost it.
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- And he said, "i don't know why."
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- She said, "i smiled and i said, 'that's right.
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- We don't know why.'"
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- And then she sat down.
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- In 2009, her oldest daughter was diagnosed with a rare form of
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- Breast cancer.
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- Six months later, 2010, she passed away.
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- That same year, later that same year in 2010, she and tom were
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- With some friends in the neighborhood and the friends
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- Invited them to visit what they called the rock and roll church.
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- And so mary ann and tom came to north point for the first time
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- And they've been coming ever since.
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- In march of 2020, tom passed away in the middle of covid.
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- They celebrated his life in their garage.
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- Mary ann volunteers as a restore mentor at
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- North point community church.
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- And what she does as a restore mentor is she meets people who
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- Are under the circumstances and she helps them restore their
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- Faith and she reminds them from her own life and her own story,
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- She reminds them you don't have to explain the unexplainable to
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- Follow jesus and you don't have to find a reason.
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- You don't have to find a reason for--a reason for all
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- The randomness in life in order to follow jesus.
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- She reminds them that doubt and questions are just part of the
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- Journey and that you bring your doubts with you and you bring
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- Your questions with you and some of your questions will get
- 00:26:02.045 --> 00:26:05.148
- Answered and some of your questions won't ever get
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- Answered and that's okay.
- 00:26:06.683 --> 00:26:08.652
- You can continue to trust and to follow and to believe.
- 00:26:08.652 --> 00:26:12.022
- Doubt, this is what's amazing about the story of lazarus.
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- This is what's amazing about the story of john the baptist.
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- And there are other stories scattered through the gospels.
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- Doubt is baked into the story of our faith.
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- You're in the story.
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- It is common, it's normal, it's acceptable.
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- It is not offensive to your heavenly father because even
- 00:26:29.205 --> 00:26:32.909
- Jesus acknowledged: "you may stumble over me," he said.
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- And if jesus's favorites weren't immune, i'm not immune either
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- And neither are you.
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- He loved them and he loves you and he invites you.
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- In fact, he said, "all the weary and heavy laden, i want you to
- 00:26:49.459 --> 00:26:52.028
- Come to me, and some of you weary and heavy laden, i'm gonna
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- Lift the burden for others of you.
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- You're gonna endure the burden and i'm gonna give you the
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- Strength to endure the burden.
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- And even if you walk through the valley of the shadow of death, i
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- Am with you, my rod and my staff will comfort you and you do not
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- Need to be afraid because i am with you.
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- And i'm offering you hope that touches down in this life
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- Because i'm offering hope that extends into the life to come."
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- Because jesus promised and illustrated eternal life.
- 00:27:21.391 --> 00:27:27.497
- The book ends aren't here.
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- The book ends are eternity.
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- And so you can trust and you can obey and you can follow and you
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- Can bring your doubts and your questions with you.
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- You don't have to stumble away because god doesn't act the way
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- You think god should act.
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- Andy: hey everybody, thank you so much for tuning in.
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