Andy Stanley - Under The Circumstances (Part 3)

August 9, 2025 | 30:10

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  • Andy stanley: hi, everybody. welcome to "your move" where we
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  • Help you make better decisions and live with fewer regrets.
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  • I'm andy stanley and i'll be your guide.
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  • And today we're going to explore what god is like and who
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  • God likes.
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  • And while i'm no expert, i've read the biographies of someone
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  • Who is, namely jesus of nazareth.
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  • Now, this is amazing.
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  • Jesus came to illustrate and demonstrate what god is like and
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  • Who god likes and as it turns out, he likes you.
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  • And i'll tell you why, right here on "your move."
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  • Stick around.
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  • ♪♪♪
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  • Andy: today, we're wrapping up our series, three-part series,
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  • "under the circumstances: holding on to god when it
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  • Appears god is no longer holding on to you."
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  • And in this series, we are exploring the question, not
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  • Answering it.
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  • We're exploring the question: what do our circumstances say
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  • About the love of god?
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  • And what do your circumstances say about the presence of god?
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  • What do your circumstances say, if anything, about the existence
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  • Of god?
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  • Because we're all tempted, all of us.
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  • Me included.
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  • We are all tempted to jump to conclusions about god based on
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  • Our circumstances, both positive circumstances and negative, our
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  • Circumstances and the circumstances of other people.
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  • And when things are up and to the right, god's blessing.
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  • When things are up and to the right, i got god all
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  • Figured out.
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  • When things are up and to the right, you know, you know,
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  • God is good.
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  • God is good all the time, right?
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  • When things are down and to the right, where's god?
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  • Is there god?
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  • What am i doing wrong?
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  • Or what did i do wrong to somehow deserve this?
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  • Now, if you have to leave early or tune out early, i hope you
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  • Don't, i just wanna go ahead and give you the bottom line.
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  • This is so important.
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  • Circumstances, regardless of how negative they are,
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  • Circumstances, regardless of how extreme they are, circumstances
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  • Do not have to be an off ramp to faith.
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  • Jesus went out of his way to create a scenario to make that
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  • Very point.
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  • If you missed part one of this series, you need to go back and
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  • Watch it.
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  • Jesus went out of his way to create a scenario to prove to us
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  • And to give us an example that the most negative circumstances
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  • Imaginable do not have to be an off ramp to your faith.
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  • And today we're gonna discover that doubt and doubts don't have
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  • To be an off ramp to our faith, either.
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  • Exhibit a: john the baptist.
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  • In fact, john the baptist's story is a reminder that
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  • Actually that doubt and doubts are baked into the story of
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  • Christianity, that if you have doubts, there's nothing wrong
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  • With you.
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  • You are probably right where you need to be and you're
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  • Gonna discover yourself in today's story.
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  • Now, if, as you probably know, if you've been around church,
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  • John the baptist took on the role of a prophet which meant
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  • There was no nuance.
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  • Everything was good or it was bad.
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  • There's no in between.
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  • There's no gray, there's no compromise.
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  • He called it as he saw it.
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  • He was not shy.
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  • He was not capable of compromise.
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  • So when king herod antipas decided to marry his brother's
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  • Wife, john decided, "okay, i gotta--i gotta talk about that,
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  • And i gotta talk about it publicly," because that was
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  • Against the law.
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  • You couldn't marry your brother's wife even if they
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  • Were divorced.
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  • And not only that, he's the king and as the king goes, you know,
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  • So goes society.
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  • So john the baptist would talk about this in public.
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  • I mean, maybe, you know, they're carting herodias or herod
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  • Antipas through the, you know, through the streets on one of
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  • Those things they would carry on slave--shoulders of slaves.
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  • That's how they traveled because they were above the ground and
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  • The dirt.
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  • Well, you know, it was muddy and didn't get your feet muddy.
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  • That's what they did.
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  • And they had little shades pulled and, you know, they're
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  • Going through this town and they hear john the baptist,
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  • "adulterous, adulterous, adulterous."
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  • I mean, he just--it's like he just called him out and he's, in
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  • His mind, he's doing the right thing.
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  • I mean, he's speaking truth to power, right?
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  • This is what he would say, literally, we're told in
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  • The text--this is amazing.
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  • Mark tells us and mark was-- mark got all this information
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  • From peter who was there for all this.
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  • It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife.
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  • I mean, "it's not just you're committing--committed adultery,
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  • It's not lawful for you.
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  • You are breaking torah, you are violating god's standards.
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  • You are--you are ceremonially unclean.
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  • It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife."
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  • So as you might imagine, herodias, the new wife, nursed a
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  • Grudge against john and wanted to kill him.
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  • Of course he did, but there was a problem.
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  • But she was not able to do so because herod feared john and he
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  • Protected him, specifically from herodias, right?
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  • Knowing him to be a righteous and holy man.
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  • I mean, herod antipas knows, "okay, what i did was not cool
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  • At all.
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  • It did violate god's law.
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  • I know what i would think about somebody else doing this."
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  • So he knew he was guilty.
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  • So when herod heard john, this is amazing.
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  • When herod heard john, because he loved to hear him speak, he
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  • Was greatly puzzled and yet he liked to listen to him.
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  • Well, eventually, herodias has her way and she at least
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  • Convinces her husband to have john the baptist arrested.
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  • So john the baptist gets arrested by herod's men and
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  • Herod and--wisely does not imprison him in jerusalem where
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  • Herodias could get to him.
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  • He imprisons john the baptist in a desert dungeon back down in
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  • The jordan river valley far away from the city of jerusalem.
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  • But it is a miserable, miserable, miserable place
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  • To be.
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  • And perhaps i think he put him there to protect him from his
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  • New life.
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  • And this is when the story goes completely off the rails.
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  • This is when the story gets extraordinarily confusing or
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  • Perhaps extraordinarily encouraging.
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  • You ready for this?
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  • Now, when jesus heard that john, cousin john, now when jesus
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  • Heard that john, the most popular man in judea, righteous
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  • Man, everybody knows he's a good guy.
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  • When jesus heard that john had been taken into custody, what do
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  • You think jesus did?
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  • Spring him, bust him out, send an angel to bust him out, send
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  • Some friends, you know, bake some brownies and visit him at
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  • Least, loaves and fish, you know, or turn herodias into a
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  • Loaf and feed her to the fish.
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  • I mean, there's all kinds of things, you know, jesus could
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  • Have done.
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  • This is so strange, and matthew who's there for all this.
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  • Matthew was a tax collector who had people who worked for him,
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  • Scribes, who scribed everything down.
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  • That's why matthew's gospel account is so full of detail.
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  • Listen to how matthew explains what happened.
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  • "now when jesus heard that john had been taken into custody,
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  • He withdrew."
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  • If we had a map, it would illustrate just how much
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  • He withdrew.
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  • "he withdrew to galilee.
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  • Leaving nazareth, he went and lived," not visited,
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  • Not vacation.
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  • "he went and lived in capernaum."
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  • If you had a map of the holy land, judea and jerusalem is
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  • In the south.
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  • Jesus left the south, left judea, went all the way to
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  • Galilee and went as far north into galilee as he
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  • Possibly could.
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  • He gets to the sea of galilee and he goes all the way up to
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  • The very tip top of the lake.
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  • He's by, walking distance, he's close to 200 miles away or more
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  • From john the baptist and he wasn't already there when he
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  • Heard, this is what's amazing.
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  • When he heard what happened to john, matthew sandwiches this--
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  • These two ideas together almost in a single sentence.
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  • Jesus automatically and immediately withdrew to galilee,
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  • And get this.
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  • He settles--he settles in capernaum, which is a beautiful,
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  • Beautiful fishing village on the north end of the sea of galilee.
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  • John the baptist is arrested, put in a dungeon.
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  • Jesus went to the lake and he didn't just go for the weekend.
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  • He went and he lived there with his guys.
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  • The opposite direction, while john is sweating it out in a
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  • Desert dungeon.
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  • It's horrible.
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  • It was intentional.
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  • Here's what i mean by that?
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  • Do you ever feel like god is a million miles away?
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  • That in your moment of greatest need, you've never felt more
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  • Distance from god?
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  • I know you have felt that.
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  • When things are up and to the right, you just feel like
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  • The presence of god.
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  • You know, you sing these songs with, you know, so much
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  • Enthusiasm and then circumstances turn and it's
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  • Like, where is god?
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  • Do you ever feel like god's a million miles away?
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  • Kick back at the lake while you're sweating it out?
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  • You are not the first, you won't be the last.
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  • Matthew's like, i wanna make sure you see the connection
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  • Between these two big ideas.
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  • Isn't that amazing?
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  • So john was in prison for a year.
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  • Let me tell you about prisons back then.
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  • They did not have a cafeteria, they didn't have a lunch line.
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  • You didn't get some time out, you know, to stretch your
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  • Legs, okay?
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  • Nothing like that.
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  • You're in a hole in the ground or you're in a, you know,
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  • Basically a brick building that you're let out from time
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  • To time--there's no food.
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  • The only way you're gonna eat is if you have friends and family.
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  • If you don't have friends and family that visit you, bring you
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  • Food, you may starve to death, you may just die of malnutrition
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  • Or of thirst because there's-- it's not a food program.
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  • So john the baptist has people coming and going and taking care
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  • Of him.
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  • So a year goes by and never hears from jesus.
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  • Six months goes by and never hears from jesus.
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  • And the greatest man born of women, according to jesus,
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  • Begins to doubt.
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  • Because what was true of us is true of john.
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  • A change of scenery rocked his serenity.
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  • Things are up and to the right, god is good.
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  • Things take a turn for the worse, you get that call, you
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  • Get that call from one of your kids.
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  • It's like, oh no, where's god?
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  • And john the baptist begins to wonder if maybe he had jesus
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  • All wrong.
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  • And there we are once again, right in the middle of
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  • The story.
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  • But there's more insult to injury.
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  • John receives--john receives regular updates on all the
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  • Amazing things jesus is doing for other people.
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  • His disciples actually are coming and going.
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  • John's disciples are coming and going and they're keeping
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  • John updated.
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  • It's like, "john, you're not gonna believe what your cousin
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  • Did this time.
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  • Okay, you ready for this?
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  • He's on his way.
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  • He preached this amazing sermon.
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  • We don't understand what most of it meant.
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  • But anyway, right afterwards, he comes down into the town and
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  • A centurion--a centurion comes up to your cousin and says,
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  • 'hey, my servant is at home sick.'
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  • And your cousin, the rabbi jesus, said to a centurion he'd
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  • Never met before, 'i'll go to your house and heal your servant
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  • That i've never met before.'
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  • And then on their way, he stops and he heals the servant from
  • 00:10:42.426 --> 00:10:46.564
  • Four blocks away.
  • 00:10:46.564 --> 00:10:48.566
  • Your cousin works remotely.
  • 00:10:48.566 --> 00:10:50.735
  • It's amazing.
  • 00:10:50.735 --> 00:10:52.069
  • He can say words and people are healed," and john is thinking
  • 00:10:52.069 --> 00:10:55.806
  • Exactly what we would be thinking.
  • 00:10:55.806 --> 00:10:57.875
  • "well, then, why not me?
  • 00:10:57.875 --> 00:11:00.911
  • Why not me?
  • 00:11:00.911 --> 00:11:02.279
  • Why doesn't he just say the word?
  • 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:03.614
  • Whatever happened to the part about 'i've come to set the
  • 00:11:03.614 --> 00:11:06.150
  • Captives free.'
  • 00:11:06.150 --> 00:11:07.752
  • I'm an actual captive and you know my name.
  • 00:11:07.752 --> 00:11:10.387
  • What about me?"
  • 00:11:10.387 --> 00:11:13.991
  • And once again, there we are in the story.
  • 00:11:13.991 --> 00:11:16.627
  • I wanna be happy for all the happy people.
  • 00:11:16.627 --> 00:11:19.096
  • I wanna be happy for all the healthy people.
  • 00:11:19.096 --> 00:11:21.398
  • You wanna be happy for all the people who had children
  • 00:11:21.398 --> 00:11:24.835
  • And grandchildren.
  • 00:11:24.835 --> 00:11:26.203
  • You wanna be happy for the people whose marriage made it
  • 00:11:26.203 --> 00:11:28.105
  • And the counseling worked and they overcame the thing they
  • 00:11:28.105 --> 00:11:30.908
  • Overcame and their husband overcame it.
  • 00:11:30.908 --> 00:11:33.511
  • You wanna be happy for them and i wanna be happy for you.
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  • John the baptist, the greatest man who ever lived according to
  • 00:11:37.948 --> 00:11:44.288
  • Jesus, right?
  • 00:11:44.288 --> 00:11:46.090
  • Isn't god good to you?
  • 00:11:46.090 --> 00:11:49.360
  • Why is it that god comes through for everybody but you?
  • 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:54.899
  • Why is it that god seems to be coming through for everybody
  • 00:11:54.899 --> 00:11:57.868
  • Right now but you?
  • 00:11:57.868 --> 00:11:59.503
  • That's john the baptist, one of jesus's favorite people.
  • 00:11:59.503 --> 00:12:02.773
  • Well, finally, john, he's had enough because he's human
  • 00:12:02.773 --> 00:12:05.776
  • Like us.
  • 00:12:05.776 --> 00:12:07.111
  • And so the text says when john who was in prison heard about
  • 00:12:07.111 --> 00:12:11.115
  • The deeds of the messiah, he sent his disciples to ask him.
  • 00:12:11.115 --> 00:12:15.152
  • So it's like, "okay, i keep hearing all this stuff, but i've
  • 00:12:15.152 --> 00:12:17.488
  • Got some questions.
  • 00:12:17.488 --> 00:12:18.823
  • This isn't making any sense.
  • 00:12:18.823 --> 00:12:20.191
  • You're doing all this amazing stuff.
  • 00:12:20.191 --> 00:12:21.859
  • Meanwhile, you're letting me rot in a prison and i didn't do
  • 00:12:21.859 --> 00:12:24.762
  • Anything wrong.
  • 00:12:24.762 --> 00:12:26.096
  • In fact, i did something right.
  • 00:12:26.096 --> 00:12:27.464
  • I did the bold thing, the powerful thing, the courageous
  • 00:12:27.464 --> 00:12:30.434
  • Thing, and now i'm suffering for doing the right thing.
  • 00:12:30.434 --> 00:12:32.736
  • So how about--how about delivering me from our
  • 00:12:32.736 --> 00:12:36.240
  • Sick king?"
  • 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.375
  • So when john who was in prison heard about the deeds of the
  • 00:12:38.375 --> 00:12:41.078
  • Messiah, he sent his disciples to ask him.
  • 00:12:41.078 --> 00:12:44.014
  • Here's the question he sent to jesus.
  • 00:12:44.014 --> 00:12:47.284
  • Here we are again in the story.
  • 00:12:47.284 --> 00:12:50.721
  • "are you the one?"
  • 00:12:50.721 --> 00:12:52.556
  • It's, "was i mistaken?
  • 00:12:52.556 --> 00:12:55.626
  • Have i been believing a fairy tale?
  • 00:12:55.626 --> 00:12:57.194
  • Have i been believing a lie?
  • 00:12:57.194 --> 00:12:58.562
  • Are you the one who is to come?"
  • 00:12:58.562 --> 00:13:00.865
  • I mean this is john the baptist who announced jesus is the one
  • 00:13:00.865 --> 00:13:03.968
  • Who was to come: "behold, the lamb of god who comes to take
  • 00:13:03.968 --> 00:13:05.970
  • The sins of the world."
  • 00:13:05.970 --> 00:13:07.338
  • "but i don't know anymore, because this doesn't make any
  • 00:13:07.338 --> 00:13:10.074
  • Sense to me.
  • 00:13:10.074 --> 00:13:11.408
  • You're not doing what i think the lamb of god should do for
  • 00:13:11.408 --> 00:13:14.478
  • His friends.
  • 00:13:14.478 --> 00:13:16.614
  • Are you the one who is to come or should we expect
  • 00:13:16.614 --> 00:13:21.919
  • Someone else?
  • 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:25.289
  • Is this--is this even real?
  • 00:13:25.289 --> 00:13:30.127
  • Is there anything to this?
  • 00:13:30.127 --> 00:13:31.595
  • Am i just a victim of wishful thinking?
  • 00:13:31.595 --> 00:13:33.530
  • Am i just believing because my parents taught me to believe
  • 00:13:33.530 --> 00:13:35.833
  • This stuff.
  • 00:13:35.833 --> 00:13:37.201
  • Is this magic?
  • 00:13:37.201 --> 00:13:38.535
  • Is it a fairy tale?
  • 00:13:38.535 --> 00:13:39.904
  • The sky father, right?
  • 00:13:39.904 --> 00:13:41.238
  • Is this something that we teach just to keep the kids in line?"
  • 00:13:41.238 --> 00:13:45.509
  • John the baptist.
  • 00:13:45.509 --> 00:13:47.311
  • You see, i'm convinced and i could be wrong.
  • 00:13:47.311 --> 00:13:50.381
  • I'm convinced that jesus let lazarus die for our benefit.
  • 00:13:50.381 --> 00:13:54.852
  • And i think jesus let john stew in a prison cell for our benefit
  • 00:13:54.852 --> 00:13:59.523
  • As well.
  • 00:13:59.523 --> 00:14:00.858
  • Did jesus love these men?
  • 00:14:00.858 --> 00:14:03.193
  • Yes.
  • 00:14:03.193 --> 00:14:04.528
  • Does jesus love you?
  • 00:14:04.528 --> 00:14:05.896
  • Yes.
  • 00:14:05.896 --> 00:14:07.231
  • So they come to jesus and they say, "hey."
  • 00:14:07.231 --> 00:14:09.967
  • They finally find jesus.
  • 00:14:09.967 --> 00:14:11.302
  • He's with a crowd again and they're like, "hey, rabbi,
  • 00:14:11.302 --> 00:14:14.204
  • Cousin john has some questions for you.
  • 00:14:14.204 --> 00:14:16.507
  • He wants to know and this is a little bit embarrassing.
  • 00:14:16.507 --> 00:14:19.209
  • Please don't judge him too harshly.
  • 00:14:19.209 --> 00:14:20.577
  • But it's been a year and a half, cousin john wants to know, are
  • 00:14:20.577 --> 00:14:25.382
  • You--are you who he told everyone you are?
  • 00:14:25.382 --> 00:14:28.652
  • Because he has his doubts.
  • 00:14:28.652 --> 00:14:30.454
  • And to be honest, we're wondering ourself."
  • 00:14:30.454 --> 00:14:34.692
  • And here's what jesus said, matthew again, who recorded
  • 00:14:34.692 --> 00:14:37.795
  • All this.
  • 00:14:37.795 --> 00:14:39.163
  • "jesus said to john's disciples, 'go back and report to john what
  • 00:14:39.163 --> 00:14:43.867
  • You hear and see.'"
  • 00:14:43.867 --> 00:14:45.903
  • To which they thought, okay, that's not, like,
  • 00:14:45.903 --> 00:14:48.238
  • Really encouraging.
  • 00:14:48.238 --> 00:14:49.573
  • We wanna let you know we've been doing that all along.
  • 00:14:49.573 --> 00:14:51.642
  • He's not encouraged by all the things you're doing for
  • 00:14:51.642 --> 00:14:56.013
  • Everybody else that you never met until they asked.
  • 00:14:56.013 --> 00:15:00.451
  • And john--jesus is like, "no, no, i want you to go back and
  • 00:15:00.451 --> 00:15:03.053
  • Tell him what you hear, then see.
  • 00:15:03.053 --> 00:15:04.388
  • And i want you to tell him this specifically.
  • 00:15:04.388 --> 00:15:06.890
  • Tell cousin john, tell--tell the prophet, tell him that
  • 00:15:06.890 --> 00:15:11.895
  • The blind received their sight."
  • 00:15:11.895 --> 00:15:15.032
  • This is--this is unheard of, this is remarkable.
  • 00:15:15.032 --> 00:15:18.469
  • "and tell him that men and women who've never walked before are
  • 00:15:18.469 --> 00:15:21.505
  • Walking and those who had leprosy are cleansed and the
  • 00:15:21.505 --> 00:15:23.507
  • Deaf hear, and the dead are raised."
  • 00:15:23.507 --> 00:15:30.848
  • And they say, "okay, we'll tell him."
  • 00:15:30.848 --> 00:15:34.551
  • They write it down, remember it, and they leave.
  • 00:15:34.551 --> 00:15:38.155
  • And then, this is the best part.
  • 00:15:38.155 --> 00:15:41.025
  • Then jesus says something for us.
  • 00:15:41.025 --> 00:15:46.663
  • He addresses the crowd, but he doesn't say this for the crowd.
  • 00:15:46.663 --> 00:15:50.701
  • He says this for me.
  • 00:15:50.701 --> 00:15:52.169
  • He says this for us.
  • 00:15:52.169 --> 00:15:53.504
  • For those of us who wonder if god knows and wonder if god
  • 00:15:53.504 --> 00:15:55.672
  • Really cares.
  • 00:15:55.672 --> 00:15:57.041
  • And jesus looks at that audience, but he says this for
  • 00:15:57.041 --> 00:15:59.176
  • You and he says that for--this for me.
  • 00:15:59.176 --> 00:16:00.811
  • He says this for us. and this is amazing.
  • 00:16:00.811 --> 00:16:03.414
  • I'm gonna read it to you, but i gotta say one more time.
  • 00:16:03.414 --> 00:16:05.182
  • Nobody would make this up.
  • 00:16:05.182 --> 00:16:06.984
  • Nobody in the first century could make this up.
  • 00:16:06.984 --> 00:16:11.288
  • Jesus looks at them and speaks to us and he says this,
  • 00:16:11.288 --> 00:16:14.258
  • It's amazing.
  • 00:16:14.258 --> 00:16:15.793
  • "happy, or blessed is anyone of any generation, blessed is
  • 00:16:15.793 --> 00:16:22.933
  • Anyone who does not stumble on account of me."
  • 00:16:22.933 --> 00:16:31.141
  • Jesus anticipated your confusion and mine.
  • 00:16:31.141 --> 00:16:36.847
  • Jesus anticipated our doubts.
  • 00:16:36.847 --> 00:16:40.184
  • Jesus anticipated as we sit back and try to make this a formula.
  • 00:16:40.184 --> 00:16:43.720
  • And i thought if i did, god must, and if i promised, and
  • 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:46.590
  • God will.
  • 00:16:46.590 --> 00:16:47.925
  • I thought there was some kind of formula, some kind of code, and
  • 00:16:47.925 --> 00:16:49.893
  • God's not acting like i think god should act and jesus isn't
  • 00:16:49.893 --> 00:16:52.763
  • Responding like i think jesus should respond.
  • 00:16:52.763 --> 00:16:55.132
  • And jesus is saying, "blessed is the person, blessed is the
  • 00:16:55.132 --> 00:16:58.902
  • Person that does not get tripped up when i don't act like they
  • 00:16:58.902 --> 00:17:05.109
  • Think i ought to act.
  • 00:17:05.109 --> 00:17:06.844
  • Blessed are the followers who don't quit following, when their
  • 00:17:06.844 --> 00:17:11.248
  • Heavenly father doesn't do what they think their heavenly father
  • 00:17:11.248 --> 00:17:14.685
  • Ought to do."
  • 00:17:14.685 --> 00:17:16.820
  • He anticipated our confusion.
  • 00:17:16.820 --> 00:17:18.956
  • His response or non-response may trip us up.
  • 00:17:18.956 --> 00:17:23.360
  • His response or non-response may cause us to doubt.
  • 00:17:23.360 --> 00:17:27.998
  • It might tempt us to walk away and that's unnecessary.
  • 00:17:27.998 --> 00:17:30.634
  • And i wanna say this to some of you today because you're right
  • 00:17:30.634 --> 00:17:32.469
  • On the edge of that, you're reaching for the doorknob to go.
  • 00:17:32.469 --> 00:17:34.505
  • Okay, the reason jesus said this is this.
  • 00:17:34.505 --> 00:17:37.174
  • He knows and some of you have experienced this, that when you
  • 00:17:37.174 --> 00:17:40.477
  • Lose faith, you opt for something to substitute for
  • 00:17:40.477 --> 00:17:43.747
  • Your faith.
  • 00:17:43.747 --> 00:17:45.082
  • When you decide god's not it, jesus is not it, christianity is
  • 00:17:45.082 --> 00:17:47.584
  • Not it, you will opt for something else.
  • 00:17:47.584 --> 00:17:50.654
  • You will choose something else and that something else usually
  • 00:17:50.654 --> 00:17:54.324
  • Makes things worse, not better.
  • 00:17:54.324 --> 00:17:58.595
  • I love what philip yancey says.
  • 00:17:58.595 --> 00:18:00.397
  • I don't even remember which book this was from, but i just hang
  • 00:18:00.397 --> 00:18:04.334
  • On to this.
  • 00:18:04.334 --> 00:18:05.669
  • He says, "the only thing worse-- the only thing worse than
  • 00:18:05.669 --> 00:18:08.772
  • Disappointment with god is trying to navigate
  • 00:18:08.772 --> 00:18:13.143
  • Disappointment without god."
  • 00:18:13.143 --> 00:18:16.046
  • The only thing worse than disappointment with god, god's
  • 00:18:16.046 --> 00:18:20.117
  • Not acting the way i think god should act, is facing
  • 00:18:20.117 --> 00:18:22.920
  • Disappointment once you put god in the rear view mirror.
  • 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:28.192
  • Because in that moment, you have no hope of ever making sense of
  • 00:18:28.192 --> 00:18:32.729
  • Things and you have no hope that things will ever make sense.
  • 00:18:32.729 --> 00:18:39.102
  • And jesus says--this is amazing.
  • 00:18:39.102 --> 00:18:41.138
  • He says, "i understand.
  • 00:18:41.138 --> 00:18:43.907
  • I understand how my behavior--i understand how the inactivity of
  • 00:18:43.907 --> 00:18:50.247
  • The heavenly father--i understand how unanswered prayer
  • 00:18:50.247 --> 00:18:54.084
  • May trip you up.
  • 00:18:54.084 --> 00:18:56.053
  • Blessed is the one who doesn't allow themselves to be
  • 00:18:56.053 --> 00:19:00.123
  • Tripped up.
  • 00:19:00.123 --> 00:19:01.491
  • Happy.
  • 00:19:01.491 --> 00:19:02.826
  • Happy is the one who does not confuse my silence for
  • 00:19:02.826 --> 00:19:05.462
  • My absence.
  • 00:19:05.462 --> 00:19:06.897
  • Happy is the--happy is the follower who follows anyway.
  • 00:19:06.897 --> 00:19:10.167
  • Happy is the believer who continues to believe anyway."
  • 00:19:10.167 --> 00:19:16.139
  • And then john's disciples leave to go tell john the good news.
  • 00:19:16.139 --> 00:19:22.279
  • Jesus makes the comment i just read, and this is when he says
  • 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:26.683
  • To the audience because they're confused, like, "why don't you
  • 00:19:26.683 --> 00:19:30.387
  • Go with them?
  • 00:19:30.387 --> 00:19:31.755
  • Why don't you do something?
  • 00:19:31.755 --> 00:19:33.090
  • We love john the baptist.
  • 00:19:33.090 --> 00:19:34.424
  • I mean, john the baptist is a legend.
  • 00:19:34.424 --> 00:19:35.792
  • Why don't you do something?"
  • 00:19:35.792 --> 00:19:38.362
  • And jesus assures them.
  • 00:19:38.362 --> 00:19:39.696
  • He says, "no, i get it.
  • 00:19:39.696 --> 00:19:41.465
  • I understand how my behavior is so confusing to you.
  • 00:19:41.465 --> 00:19:45.802
  • So let me just assure you."
  • 00:19:45.802 --> 00:19:47.337
  • This is when he says it.
  • 00:19:47.337 --> 00:19:48.705
  • "i say to you, among those born of women, there is no one
  • 00:19:48.705 --> 00:19:53.910
  • Greater than john the baptist.
  • 00:19:53.910 --> 00:19:56.113
  • He's the best.
  • 00:19:56.113 --> 00:19:57.581
  • He's one of my favorites, but i'm not going to rescue him,"
  • 00:19:57.581 --> 00:20:04.621
  • And he didn't.
  • 00:20:04.621 --> 00:20:06.857
  • And he may not rescue you either, but you don't have to
  • 00:20:06.857 --> 00:20:15.098
  • Stumble away from jesus, your savior.
  • 00:20:15.098 --> 00:20:19.870
  • God may answer your prayer.
  • 00:20:19.870 --> 00:20:21.805
  • He may answer it in a way you don't expect.
  • 00:20:21.805 --> 00:20:23.440
  • He may answer your prayer in a timing that's not your timing.
  • 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:27.044
  • I get all that, but there may be a no, there may be a no rescue.
  • 00:20:27.044 --> 00:20:34.918
  • Does that mean god doesn't care?
  • 00:20:34.918 --> 00:20:36.286
  • Does god--that mean god is silent?
  • 00:20:36.286 --> 00:20:37.621
  • Does that mean god isn't up to something?
  • 00:20:37.621 --> 00:20:38.989
  • Absolutely not.
  • 00:20:38.989 --> 00:20:40.490
  • Jesus arranged these scenarios, these narratives, these actual
  • 00:20:40.490 --> 00:20:45.796
  • Historical incidents, for our benefit.
  • 00:20:45.796 --> 00:20:48.999
  • Happy are those who face adversity, trust anyway, follow
  • 00:20:48.999 --> 00:20:54.905
  • Anyway, and don't stumble away from god, their father.
  • 00:20:54.905 --> 00:21:02.813
  • Now, i know some of you are thinking, i would be thinking,
  • 00:21:02.813 --> 00:21:05.716
  • "yeah, it's easy for you to say, andy, easy for you to say, you
  • 00:21:05.716 --> 00:21:07.818
  • Don't know my story," and i don't know your story.
  • 00:21:07.818 --> 00:21:10.454
  • I'm telling you.
  • 00:21:10.454 --> 00:21:11.788
  • If i was not confident of this, i would not stand up here and
  • 00:21:11.788 --> 00:21:13.924
  • Say it.
  • 00:21:13.924 --> 00:21:15.359
  • And if i was that other kind of preacher, i would get up here
  • 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:17.627
  • And say no, if you trust in god, it's all gonna work out.
  • 00:21:17.627 --> 00:21:20.430
  • You're gonna get a bow and then over time, we just chase off all
  • 00:21:20.430 --> 00:21:22.999
  • The people who don't have a bow.
  • 00:21:22.999 --> 00:21:24.334
  • We just have a big church full of people with bows and
  • 00:21:24.334 --> 00:21:26.103
  • Everybody, they look around, everything's working out.
  • 00:21:26.103 --> 00:21:28.271
  • We must have more faith than everybody else.
  • 00:21:28.271 --> 00:21:30.107
  • That is not christianity.
  • 00:21:30.107 --> 00:21:31.675
  • That is not the gospel.
  • 00:21:31.675 --> 00:21:33.076
  • You do not find that in the teaching of jesus.
  • 00:21:33.076 --> 00:21:34.945
  • What you find is two of his favorite men he let suffer and
  • 00:21:34.945 --> 00:21:41.184
  • Yet he was as active as he has ever been.
  • 00:21:41.184 --> 00:21:43.887
  • And here we are talking about him 2000 years later, but i
  • 00:21:43.887 --> 00:21:49.659
  • Wouldn't get up here and say it if i wasn't confident.
  • 00:21:49.659 --> 00:21:51.228
  • So on sundays, i get here early as you might imagine.
  • 00:21:51.228 --> 00:21:54.264
  • And one of my things i like to do is just walk around
  • 00:21:54.264 --> 00:21:56.099
  • The auditorium and meet people.
  • 00:21:56.099 --> 00:21:58.001
  • So, on one of my journeys, about a year ago, i met a woman named
  • 00:21:58.001 --> 00:22:01.438
  • Mary ann jones.
  • 00:22:01.438 --> 00:22:02.806
  • Mary ann is 86 years old.
  • 00:22:02.806 --> 00:22:04.341
  • And we've--and so every sunday she stands up because she has
  • 00:22:04.341 --> 00:22:06.877
  • Something she wants me to do and we're kind of arguing about it.
  • 00:22:06.877 --> 00:22:08.979
  • We've been arguing for a year.
  • 00:22:08.979 --> 00:22:10.313
  • I'm not gonna tell you what that is.
  • 00:22:10.313 --> 00:22:11.681
  • But anyway, so when she sees me coming, she stands up and she's
  • 00:22:11.681 --> 00:22:13.917
  • Waiting for me, you know.
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  • So every sunday, mary and--mary and i have a
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  • Friendly conversation.
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  • So at some point, i wanted to ask her a question.
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  • I got her cellphone number and so then she had my cell phone
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  • Number, and then every sunday, every sunday she sends me a text
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  • And rates the sermon, every sunday.
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  • Not making this up.
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  • She's gonna rate today's.
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  • I guarantee you, i'll get a text and i usually get an 8, 9,
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  • Or sometimes a 10.
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  • A few weeks ago, i got a 100.
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  • I'm like, "whoa, did you change the scale or was it really that
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  • Good," you know?
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  • So one sunday i said, "mary ann, i wanna know your whole story.
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  • You're 86 years old."
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  • And she said, "okay."
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  • So i invited her to my office.
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  • She came, we spent 2 hours together.
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  • I said, "start from the very beginning."
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  • She told me her whole story.
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  • Very, very difficult childhood, just needed to escape the home.
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  • Met her husband, got married.
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  • Fast forward, and had three beautiful daughters.
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  • And then their youngest daughter, karen, when she was
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  • 21, was hit by a drunk driver, a 19-year-old drunk driver.
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  • Killed instantly along with a friend.
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  • Now, mary ann was a christian and she and tom, you know, were,
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  • You know, had their faith and their personal faith and walked
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  • With god.
  • 00:23:21.685 --> 00:23:23.053
  • But this was, of course, devastating, just
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  • Completely devastating.
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  • Just wrecked them in every single kind of way and where's
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  • God and why, god?
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  • And we did all the right things, all the things we would say and
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  • All the questions that we would ask.
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  • But she kinda clawed her way back to developing a faith and
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  • Was able to pray again and trust god again.
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  • About six months after that, their church had a special guest
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  • Speaker who came in during the week on a weeknight to do a
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  • Lecture on the topic of why bad things happen to good people.
  • 00:23:45.709 --> 00:23:49.179
  • And mary ann's husband didn't wanna go, but mary said "i
  • 00:23:49.179 --> 00:23:51.581
  • Wanna go."
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  • So she went and so this lecturer, this pastor, got up
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  • And there's about 150 people there.
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  • And he talked for about 30, 45 minutes about why bad things
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  • Happen to good people.
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  • Then he said, "are there any questions?"
  • 00:24:00.857 --> 00:24:02.192
  • And mary ann said, "'i raised my hand,' and he said, 'yes?'
  • 00:24:02.192 --> 00:24:03.827
  • And i stood up and i said, 'so, pastor, why do bad things happen
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  • To good people,' after he'd just spent 40 minutes answering
  • 00:24:07.898 --> 00:24:10.934
  • The question."
  • 00:24:10.934 --> 00:24:12.269
  • And so she said, she sat down and he--she said, he kind of
  • 00:24:12.269 --> 00:24:14.938
  • Reviewed the whole message again and asked, "are there any
  • 00:24:14.938 --> 00:24:18.208
  • More questions?"
  • 00:24:18.208 --> 00:24:19.576
  • She said, "i stood back up and said, 'pastor, so why do bad
  • 00:24:19.576 --> 00:24:22.245
  • Things happen to good people?'"
  • 00:24:22.245 --> 00:24:23.613
  • She asked the question three times and he explained slower
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  • The third time, but he just kept saying the same thing.
  • 00:24:27.784 --> 00:24:30.153
  • And after she asked him for the third time in front of all these
  • 00:24:30.153 --> 00:24:32.889
  • People, he kind of lost it.
  • 00:24:32.889 --> 00:24:34.257
  • And he said, "i don't know why."
  • 00:24:34.257 --> 00:24:38.194
  • She said, "i smiled and i said, 'that's right.
  • 00:24:38.194 --> 00:24:42.299
  • We don't know why.'"
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  • And then she sat down.
  • 00:24:44.834 --> 00:24:46.937
  • In 2009, her oldest daughter was diagnosed with a rare form of
  • 00:24:46.937 --> 00:24:51.074
  • Breast cancer.
  • 00:24:51.074 --> 00:24:52.409
  • Six months later, 2010, she passed away.
  • 00:24:52.409 --> 00:24:56.713
  • That same year, later that same year in 2010, she and tom were
  • 00:24:56.713 --> 00:25:00.483
  • With some friends in the neighborhood and the friends
  • 00:25:00.483 --> 00:25:02.552
  • Invited them to visit what they called the rock and roll church.
  • 00:25:02.552 --> 00:25:06.923
  • And so mary ann and tom came to north point for the first time
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  • And they've been coming ever since.
  • 00:25:10.527 --> 00:25:14.364
  • In march of 2020, tom passed away in the middle of covid.
  • 00:25:14.364 --> 00:25:18.935
  • They celebrated his life in their garage.
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  • Mary ann volunteers as a restore mentor at
  • 00:25:23.406 --> 00:25:26.743
  • North point community church.
  • 00:25:26.743 --> 00:25:29.045
  • And what she does as a restore mentor is she meets people who
  • 00:25:29.045 --> 00:25:31.681
  • Are under the circumstances and she helps them restore their
  • 00:25:31.681 --> 00:25:34.451
  • Faith and she reminds them from her own life and her own story,
  • 00:25:34.451 --> 00:25:38.555
  • She reminds them you don't have to explain the unexplainable to
  • 00:25:38.555 --> 00:25:43.493
  • Follow jesus and you don't have to find a reason.
  • 00:25:43.493 --> 00:25:47.364
  • You don't have to find a reason for--a reason for all
  • 00:25:47.364 --> 00:25:50.533
  • The randomness in life in order to follow jesus.
  • 00:25:50.533 --> 00:25:54.871
  • She reminds them that doubt and questions are just part of the
  • 00:25:54.871 --> 00:25:59.009
  • Journey and that you bring your doubts with you and you bring
  • 00:25:59.009 --> 00:26:02.045
  • Your questions with you and some of your questions will get
  • 00:26:02.045 --> 00:26:05.148
  • Answered and some of your questions won't ever get
  • 00:26:05.148 --> 00:26:06.683
  • Answered and that's okay.
  • 00:26:06.683 --> 00:26:08.652
  • You can continue to trust and to follow and to believe.
  • 00:26:08.652 --> 00:26:12.022
  • Doubt, this is what's amazing about the story of lazarus.
  • 00:26:12.022 --> 00:26:14.824
  • This is what's amazing about the story of john the baptist.
  • 00:26:14.824 --> 00:26:17.360
  • And there are other stories scattered through the gospels.
  • 00:26:17.360 --> 00:26:19.562
  • Doubt is baked into the story of our faith.
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  • You're in the story.
  • 00:26:23.867 --> 00:26:25.669
  • It is common, it's normal, it's acceptable.
  • 00:26:25.669 --> 00:26:29.205
  • It is not offensive to your heavenly father because even
  • 00:26:29.205 --> 00:26:32.909
  • Jesus acknowledged: "you may stumble over me," he said.
  • 00:26:32.909 --> 00:26:41.484
  • And if jesus's favorites weren't immune, i'm not immune either
  • 00:26:41.484 --> 00:26:46.556
  • And neither are you.
  • 00:26:46.556 --> 00:26:47.924
  • He loved them and he loves you and he invites you.
  • 00:26:47.924 --> 00:26:49.459
  • In fact, he said, "all the weary and heavy laden, i want you to
  • 00:26:49.459 --> 00:26:52.028
  • Come to me, and some of you weary and heavy laden, i'm gonna
  • 00:26:52.028 --> 00:26:55.365
  • Lift the burden for others of you.
  • 00:26:55.365 --> 00:26:56.733
  • You're gonna endure the burden and i'm gonna give you the
  • 00:26:56.733 --> 00:26:58.601
  • Strength to endure the burden.
  • 00:26:58.601 --> 00:27:00.003
  • And even if you walk through the valley of the shadow of death, i
  • 00:27:00.003 --> 00:27:03.440
  • Am with you, my rod and my staff will comfort you and you do not
  • 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.910
  • Need to be afraid because i am with you.
  • 00:27:06.910 --> 00:27:09.979
  • And i'm offering you hope that touches down in this life
  • 00:27:09.979 --> 00:27:14.651
  • Because i'm offering hope that extends into the life to come."
  • 00:27:14.651 --> 00:27:21.391
  • Because jesus promised and illustrated eternal life.
  • 00:27:21.391 --> 00:27:27.497
  • The book ends aren't here.
  • 00:27:27.497 --> 00:27:29.299
  • The book ends are eternity.
  • 00:27:29.299 --> 00:27:32.869
  • And so you can trust and you can obey and you can follow and you
  • 00:27:32.869 --> 00:27:37.640
  • Can bring your doubts and your questions with you.
  • 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.244
  • You don't have to stumble away because god doesn't act the way
  • 00:27:41.244 --> 00:27:46.616
  • You think god should act.
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