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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: China's Endgame | Allen Jackson Now | July 9, 2025

Well.
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Good evening.
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I'm alan jackson, and welcome to nashville.
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President trump has had quite a few months
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Running full speed with a lot of success,
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But nothing has been more of a challenge
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Than how to address the trade negotiations with china.
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Most other countries have worked through their tariff
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Negotiations with the white house,
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But our trade imbalance with china is $1 trillion.
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That's a lot of money
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Heading out across the pacific
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With not nearly as much in return.
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Well, like it or not, we buy a lot of things from china
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Because as we know, there are a lot
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Less expensive than products made anywhere else.
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President trump has made it clear
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That we're not looking to make t-shirts, sneakers or socks,
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But we do
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Want to grow our manufacturing
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Sector and sell high tech items and computer chips.
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Well, as
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Jinping and president trump head into their talks.
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They each have some leverage.
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The chinese leader has been in power since 2012,
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And with no term limits, he could stay in power
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As long as the chinese communist party allows it.
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President trump, he's
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Got a bit over three years left, so time is on their side.
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Well, there's one
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Other part of jinping's history worth knowing.
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It's called the strategic stalemate.
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She was a student of the old soviet union,
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And he studied how the communist there went downhill.
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And he's determined to not let china suffer the same fate.
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So he wants to avoid a direct confrontation with trump.
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And if needed, he'll hold his ground in an extended,
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All encompassing, endless competition.
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Well, that brings us to our guest tonight.
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A familiar face on all things china.
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Gordon chang, welcome back to our show.
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Thank you so much, alan.
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You wrote
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Recently about the fight china is having with the u.s..
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It's not a war in the terms we are used to,
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But it's a relentless attack on our economy and our military.
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The long game with the ultimate goal of becoming number one.
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This is how trump sees it.
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Listen to his comments.
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We have to do something about the deficit
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Because we have a big trade deficit with china.
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A biden let it get up to $1 trillion.
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Think of it, $1 trillion deficit with one country.
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He let them just take them over the coals.
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We're not going to do that.
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But we're doing a rare earth deal.
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But we're also doing remember,
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We have all of the airplane parts.
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They can't fly their airplanes without us.
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So we had, you know, some cards also.
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Do you think the presidency has
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Any intention of making a deal with president trump?
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Yeah, i'm sure they'll make a deal
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And i'm sure they'll violate it.
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You've got to remember, we already have a trade
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Deal in the second trump term with china.
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It's the may 12th agreement.
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And in that agreement, china agreed to rescind its ban
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On the export of rare earths to the united states.
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But they didn't do that.
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And so what we have found out is that president trump has now
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Made additional concessions to the chinese to get them
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To stop violating their trade deal.
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And so, you know, i hope that president trump
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Has a longer term plan.
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But of course, this gives incentives
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For china to continue to violate its trade deals with us.
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And this is going to be a very difficult conversation
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With china. so yeah, they'll make a deal.
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But whether it's worth anything or not is another story.
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With a trade imbalance of $1
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Trillion in the chinese economy now in a weakened state.
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Do you think the chinese leader is going to be forced to take
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On levels of tariffs that he's unaccustomed to?
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Well, i hope so, because that's exactly what we need to do.
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Remember, china is the trade
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Surplus country,
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And that means it doesn't have the leverage
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They need the us market, especially because xi jinping
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Has turned his back on consumption
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As the fundamental
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Basis of the chinese economy and is now relying on exports.
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He wants to export his way out of that situation.
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Also, the chinese economy now looks like it's contracting.
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It's certainly in a deflationary spiral
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That is inconsistent with its reports of robust
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Economic growth, such as 5.4% for the first quarter.
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That's just not really realistic.
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So, you know, we have president trump has a lot of leverage.
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Now trump for various reasons, has decided not to use it.
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And we've heard comments from our president. why.
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And so, you know, we're going to have to see whether trump
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Is going to change his mind
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In terms of how far he's willing to go to protect
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The american workers and american society.
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And one of the more interesting things about this negotiation
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Is the fact
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That there's a codependence that's has been in
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Existence for a long time now.
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Help us understand what the chinese need most from the us.
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They need access to the world's largest consumer market.
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We count for something like 38 or
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39% of global consumer spending.
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No other country comes close.
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No other market comes close.
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And especially because xi jinping,
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As i mentioned, has configured the chinese economy
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So that its only hope is to export his way out of problems,
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Which means he's place the fate of the chinese economy.
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And in fact, the fate of the chinese
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Political system in the hands of consumers around the world.
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And president trump represents the most number of
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Those consumers.
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Well, our agricultural secretary,
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Brooke rollins, has just announced
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A big federal strategy preventing china
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From purchasing america's farmland.
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Not only that, but she's also launching a plan
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To buy back some of the existing land
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That the chinese have bought over the past several years.
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Congress has a bill in play as well that would ban
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Land purchases near any u.s.
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Military installations.
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Is that going to slow them down, or will
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They just put up more spy balloons?
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Well, it'll slow them down, and it's something
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That we absolutely have to do.
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Got to remember that,
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China has been using farmland in the us
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Not only for espionage, but we have, seen
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Even more disturbing uses of land.
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So, for instance, in oklahoma, there have been human
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Trafficking operations
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Run by chinese gangs based on agricultural land.
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And across the country, especially maine,
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We have these illegal marijuana grows.
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But we have to also remember something else.
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And that is in june.
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The united states charged three chinese nationals
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With trying to import biological agents in the us.
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The first two, who were charged were,
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Trying to bring in a fungus.
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That fungus, i suspect, was genetically modified
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To make it more dangerous to american farms.
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And it's also a fungus that affected livestock and humans.
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So i think that
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There was an attempt to plant invasive species in our country,
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Especially because we've seen
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All of these reports over the last half decade
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Of chinese parties sending in seeds
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And other biological agents into the united states unsolicited.
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So this is very disturbing.
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Well, gordon chang,
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I've got a lot more to
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Talk about, so please stay with us for another segment.
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During our break, you can try logging on to aj now.com.
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I'd love to see your thoughts on this discussion
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About china and our future with the chinese leadership.
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I'll be back in a moment.
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I'll be back in a moment.
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We're back now with the preeminent china
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Expert, gordon chang, the author of many great books, including
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The one called plan red china's project to destroy america.
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Gordon, you don't get any better of a negotiator
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Than president trump,
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But there's an overriding issue
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When anyone is dealing with the chinese.
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And the issue is trust.
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You know, they spy on us.
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We all remember the balloon they steal.
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Our best idea is to make their own copycat products.
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They send plainclothes chinese military into our country
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And see openly talks about war with the us.
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Well, the new cia director, john ratcliffe,
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Summed it up this way.
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When i was dni
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For president trump in his first administration.
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As you recall, we were accused of out sizing china as a threat.
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It was a peaceful, china. right.
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And, but, you know, now after covid,
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After the taiwan aggression, after flying spycraft over the,
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United states for eight days during the biden administration,
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Stealing our intellectual property,
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Taking advantage of us on trade.
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No one's saying that anymore.
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Tell us, what does the trump team need to know
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About making any sort of deal over tariffs?
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I think that the most important thing is that,
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The chinese political system right now is in turmoil,
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And we can see xi jinping is in trouble.
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He's probably lost control of the chinese military,
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The people's liberation army.
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And there are signs
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That he is losing influence among civilian leaders as well.
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And so china right now is not a partner
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That we can actually deal with.
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I think, it's kind of
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We don't know a lot about what's going on right now
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Because the
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Chinese political system under su
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Jinping has become even more opaque.
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But we are seeing clear
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Signs of instability in the chinese capital.
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And so that's going to make it very difficult
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For president trump to navigate this.
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And that's one of the things that trump has said.
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But he said, look, we're not using our leverage
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Because we're concerned about what's going to happen in china.
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And those concerns are very real.
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And that makes it even more difficult for the united states.
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Because we don't know is if we apply all of our leverage,
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Whether we will cause a failure of the chinese regime.
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That's entirely possible right now.
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Well, i
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Noticed something interesting during the attack on iran.
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For all the talk about an axis of evil
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Among iran, russia, china, north korea.
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China didn't come to the aid of iran,
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At least as far as we can tell.
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What does that show us?
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Well, it shows us that a number of things that first of all,
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When you have relations among hardline states, china,
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Russia, iran, north korea, they're not really that stable.
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And this has been something that we can see throughout history.
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But also there's another story here.
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And that is if we go back a year ago,
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China was dominant in the middle east.
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It was chasing the united states out.
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President trump comes in with his triumphal
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Tour of the gulf and through other policy initiatives.
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And he has china on the run.
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China has lost saudi arabia.
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Syria and qatar under the second trump term.
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And it's losing iran.
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So this has been masterful u.s.
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Diplomacy by president trump.
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And it shows that the chinese ar
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You know, at the same time, we see
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The chinese publicly advertising their military build up.
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They're releasing
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Videos of their latest warships and fighter jets.
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Is that to set the table for an eventual fight over
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Taiwan, or is it something larger?
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Well, it could be taiwan, alan, but,
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It could also be south korea, japan,
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The philippines, or even faraway australia.
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Or it could be a fight against us
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Because we see these very provocative challenges
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Of america's ships and planes in the global commons.
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I think
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Probably the
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Most likely flashpoint would be against the philippines,
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For a number of reasons.
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But the point is, that could be any target.
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But we've got to worry that jinping has personal incentives
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To lash out against some foreign country.
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And he would do that in order to prevent
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Not to rally the chinese people,
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Because the chinese people right now do not want war.
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But he would do that to prevent other communist party figures
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From challenging further or even deposing him.
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So, this is a chinese
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Political system that can take us by surprise.
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So the possibility that president xie
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Would initiate a war to somehow secure hang on to power
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Isn't beyond reason.
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By no means it is.
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You know, we can argue about whether it's probable or not,
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But i think that,
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The probability of that is much higher than most americans
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Think.
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And, i'm worried that we have a pentagon that thinks about,
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War, as they say, in 2027, and they're even preparing for war.
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Not this decade, but next decade,
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By taking planes and ships out of service at a time
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We need it most.
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So we've got a real mismatch, i think, in perceptions.
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I believe that if we get over
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The next couple of years, we're going to be okay.
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But not if we are,
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Purposely weakening our military now to make it stronger
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In the future.
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I think that's absolutely the wrong strategy right now.
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Well, homeland security is working hard to round up
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As many of the criminals and illegals that walked right
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Across the border the last four years.
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You've reported on the many young chinese men
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Who came in, often in groups setting up fentanyl plants.
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Should tom homan and his teams be sending them back
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Home as well, if he can find them?
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Yeah, i think the number one priority
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Of the federal government, not just tom homan borders are
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But the number one priority of the federal government
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Right now should be breaking up china's networks in the u.s.
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Because we know that their agents and operatives
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And even people who have had links to the chinese military
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Have come across both our southern and northern borders.
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And we have been seeing at the same time
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A noticeable increase in the tempo of chinese
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Nationals trying to intrude into our military bases
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And conducting
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Illicit surveillance
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Of those bases, plus the critical infrastructure.
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So we know that they're planning an attack.
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We know that they're studying our patterns
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And looking for our vulnerabilities.
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And i think that the only thing
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They're waiting for is a ghost signal from cedar peck.
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So this, i think, should be the number one priority.
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Well, finally, the chinese have opened banks in several
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Big cities here,
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And they're trying to are they're
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Trying to undermine the dollar
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Or to make more inroads here or just both.
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Well, they've been trying
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To undermine the dollar for a very long time.
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And they've got banks in the u.s.
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And those banks we know have been, for instance,
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Laundering fentanyl money and criminal money.
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And it's, i think, up to the president,
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United states, to apply section three of 11 of the patriot act
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To declare those institutions
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To be a primary money laundering concern
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So that they can no longer conduct transactions in dollars.
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In other words, cutting their correspondent
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Relations in new york.
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I mean, we didn't allow pablo escobar
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To run money through new york.
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So why are we allowing a much more dangerous china to do so?
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Well, gordon chang, thank you for your time today.
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Hope you'll stay in touch
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As these tariff negotiations progress.
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Thank you so much, alan.
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In a moment, some signs of hope.
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Stay with us.
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I'll be right back.
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I'll be right back.
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You know, our experiences together
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Since the start of this decade have been very insightful
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And very different than any previous experiences we've had.
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We faced a pandemic.
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China, the country where it originated.
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They hid the facts from the world, denied it,
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Did their very best to cover it up.
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And they never suffered any true consequences
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For the devastation they unleashed.
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The chinese government
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Is communist, authoritarian, domineering.
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They've practiced slavery, social control, manipulation.
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Here's a little bit of global history.
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When communism came to the russian people.
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Tens of millions of people died.
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Lenin and stalin butchered, terrorized.
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Then people were murdered in the name
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Of giving something to the people.
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What they actually gave to
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The people was a reign of oppression.
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China and mao zedong, with his great leap forward,
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Resulted in 45 million deaths in four years.
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For decades, they held a one child policy.
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They forced abortion.
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They committed female infanticide.
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There remains 15 million abortions annually in china.
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Communist am is not just another economic system.
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It's one of the most destructive,
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Murderous expressions of human authority in history.
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And the people who advocate for socialism and communism
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Today in our nation, in our biggest cities,
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They have to deny history to do so.
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And it's only our profound ignorance that even gives them
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A place at all in the public square.
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Our first amendment provides for freedom of speech,
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Freedom of the press, freedom to worship
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God however we see fit
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Without the interference of the government.
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Now that's ours to guard.
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That's ours to watch over.
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We'll maintain no liberties and freedoms.
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We don't stand up for.
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So it should matter to every christ follower.
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We have to confront expressions
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Of authoritarianism, control opposition to free speech.
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Don't be silent around ungodliness.
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Don't lose your voice around things that you know are wrong.
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I believe with all of my heart
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That christianity is the hope of humanity.
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Jesus changes us from the inside out.
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So we must be the voice of truth.
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In this season of cultural change.
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If we will do that, i assure you
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There are more reasons for hope than despair.
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We'll be back in just a moment with your emails.
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We'll be back in just a moment with your emails.
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Just a quick reminder.
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If you ever missed one of the live
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Broadcast, you can go to aj now.com.
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There's an archive there with every program
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Easier for you to watch at your leisure.
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You can even share them with a friend if you choose.
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It'll help us all.
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Thanks for emails are always a highlight.
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A youtube viewer noted
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That one of the best things about this program
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Is that the guests are given the opportunity
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To fully provide their answers to the questions.
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So many interviewers will ask a question
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And then interrupt the person answering before
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They can complete the thought.
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If you ask a question, let the person fully answer
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Whether you agree or disagree with the person's answer.
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It's just common
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Courtesy and makes the interview so much easier to listen to.
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Well, thank you for noticing.
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Our goal is to be an alternative to so many of the programs
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That give you the 15 second sound bite.
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We try to choose a guest and then explore a bit
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More in detail the topic of their expertise.
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We want to hear what they have to say.
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Then we're free to form our own opinions.
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Nancy on youtube commented,
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I might be confused about our government and people,
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But i know there is a god and he's my god.
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No one gets to decide about how, when or where i worship.
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That ended with covid and the government's laws
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Bring back god to our schools and our courts.
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Well nancy, i agree covid was a wake up call
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For many of us and i think we are making some progress.
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It seems like truth is making its way into the public squares,
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And i am looking forward to that becoming a part of
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Our public education in new ways as we go forward.
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A viewer on youtube commented, so we so enjoy your commonsense
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And biblically based comments
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On everyday issues we face in our culture.
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Well, i appreciate you noticing.
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We used to call common sense horse sense.
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I grew up in a barn and i guess i'm qualified
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To have a little horse sense.
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Patricia from georgia wrote i keep hearing people say that
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There are illegals that have been here for years.
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So my question is, if they've been here for years,
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Why haven't they done something to become a legal citizen?
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Well, i don't know that there's a simple answer to that.
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I suspect the imagination has existed, that there would be
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Some political resolution that simply granted citizenship
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To all those people who have come here illegally.
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It's happened before in various ways,
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And i think there's a hopeful note that we're once again
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Enforcing the border and treating illegal
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As if it were wrong.
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You know, the word illegal and criminals should go together.
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If you do something illegal, you should understand
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You're going to be viewed as a criminal.
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We've been a little confused on that point that we we seem
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To be gaining some clarity that is hopeful for all of us.
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Well, i appreciate you
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Spending a few minutes with us this evening.
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I'm alan jackson, and you have a wonderful evening.
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Allen Jackson: China's Endgame | Allen Jackson Now

July 9, 2025 | 22:2

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