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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: China's Leverage Lost | Allen Jackson Now | January 12, 2026

Well, good evening and welcome to nashville.
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I'm alan jackson.
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Much of the world is wondering what's next for venezuela.
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Now that the dictator has been removed.
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But no more so than china, which was nicolas maduro's
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Largest economic partner
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And one that gave china's president
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A strategic entry into south america.
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When maduro was captured,
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China told the rest of the world that it was deeply shocking,
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A violation of international law,
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And that maduro and his wife should be released.
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What the chinese didn't say was that just before
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He was captured, maduro met with a special envoy from china
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To double down on their long standing relationship.
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With that, i want to introduce
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The country's leading china expert, gordon chang.
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Welcome back to the show, sir.
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Thank you so much, alan.
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China released a policy paper on latin america
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And the caribbean last year.
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It made clear
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They have their eye
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On more than a foothold with our neighbors to the south.
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It said
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A significant shift is taking place
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In the
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International balance of power, which confirmed for a lot of us
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That the great power competition
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In that region was already well underway.
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Is that a correct assessment?
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Gordon? oh, it certainly is.
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But china, which was boasting basically saying that china
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Was becoming dominant in the western hemisphere today
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Doesn't look like the superpower.
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I mean, if you go back a week ago,
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People were saying,
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Oh, you know, china is going to dominate the 21st century.
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But what happened is
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When president trump enforced that indictment from 2020,
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Grabbed nicolas maduro and his wife.
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What it showed was
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That china can talk a lot, but it really can't do a lot.
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And since then, there's been engaged
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In a malicious information warfare campaign.
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But it's really done nothing.
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So really we've seen china,
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Which once looked like such a strong country.
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Actually, it was pretty hollow.
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They can talk a lot, but they can't do very much.
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Well, maduro wanted the relationship with china,
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But president she got a lot out of it as well.
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Listen to how china's u.n.
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Representative spoke about the u.s.
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Move on venezuela.
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China is deeply shocked by and strongly condemns
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The unilateral, illegal and bullying acts of the u.s.
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For some time now.
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The international community
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Has repeatedly expressed grave concern over the u.s.
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Sanctions, blockade and threats of force against venezuela.
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You know, of course, he said nothing about china
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Helping russia in the war with ukraine
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Or their attempt
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To take over the panama canal that the united states built,
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Or the spy balloons over the u.s.
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And so many other places where china has moved into u.s.
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Territory.
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Do you think president xi believes that maybe
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He's finally met his match with president trump?
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I think that president xi jinping,
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General secretary of the communist
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Party, is reeling right now
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Because not only is he going to lose venezuela,
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But he's probably also going to lose cuba as well,
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Because venezuela was propping up the havana regime.
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And it even gets worse because the iranian regime,
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Which is an even more important friend of china,
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Looks very fragile right now.
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So xi jinping, i think, is going to be
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On many different fronts, trying to figure out what to do.
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And i'm sure that he has a much better,
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Appreciation of president trump's strength
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And the strength of the united states.
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You know, we don't know who the next
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Elected leader of venezuela will be.
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But president trump has made clear that the us
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Is not going to pull out until he and his team
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Are satisfied with where the country is going.
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Do you think that includes venezuela
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Winding down their relationship with china?
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President trump was very clear about that.
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The trump administration has talked to jose rodriguez,
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The interim president, and said that venezuela must cut
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Its ties with, among others, china,
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And that in the oil sector,
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It can only deal with the united states.
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So, china's investment in venezuela are at risk.
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Also, what's at risk is the 20 or so
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Billion dollars that venezuela still owes china.
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Venezuela was paying that debt down with discounted oil sales.
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And although trump may permit venezuela
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To sell oil to china, and i think he probably will,
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He's not going to allow them to sell it at a discount,
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Which means that china is out that $20 billion.
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So, it's
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Beachhead in latin america, which was venezuela is now gone.
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Well, venezuela and
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China share a partnership that china only
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Has with a few countries.
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More than half of venezuela's oil exports have gone to china.
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Well beyond the oil.
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What else does she want
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From venezuela and latin america as a whole?
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There are a number of things.
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First of all, i want the listening post
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It has in venezuela.
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It wants to control the venezuelan army, which it is,
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Was on its way to doing.
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It wants the trade to dominate the venezuelan
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Economy by flooding it with chinese manufacturers,
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Because china is looking to the, quote unquote, global
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South to be a market for china's goods.
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And of course, it wants geopolitical influence
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In the region. and it's losing that.
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And we can sell that because colombia,
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Which was run by which is run by a very anti-american figure,
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Petro, now is making very nice sounds about president trump.
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And i think it's because the people in the region
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Can see that the united states is the dominant power,
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And that china can't protect them.
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So there is a very important shift underway
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Throughout latin america.
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And by the way, you know, this is also been,
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A good story over for the united states
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Over the last year or so because we've been seeing,
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Right wing, candidates prevail over the deep
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Leftists in election after election in latin america.
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You know, there were
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A number of big american oil companies exxon mobil,
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Conocophillips, and among them
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That have been drilling in venezuela
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Until the government took them over.
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Chevron was only able to stay by giving maduro
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A stake in the company.
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Do you think the chinese are worried
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That the us will take control of the oil,
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And china will never see any of it again?
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Yes, i think they are worried about that.
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China was taking somewhere about 75
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To 80% of venezuela's exports of crude.
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That's going to drop to at least in the interim.
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Zero, because,
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The united states
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Is not allowing any loading of cargoes to china.
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Eventually, once the situation stabilizes,
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I think president trump will allow oil sales to venezuela,
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But not at the heavily discounted prices,
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Which is what really china was looking for.
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And the problem for china is that many of its refineries,
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I've really been, built to take the venezuelan heavy crude.
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So they were depending on that flow of oil from venezuela,
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Which they're right now is in jeopardy
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On a larger scale.
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Do you think that with, gee,
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Seeing how trump moved on venezuela,
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That he might decide to move on taiwan even sooner
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Than whenever he's been planning to do that?
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I don't think so.
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That's a very important and a very complicated question.
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China was not in a position to invade
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The main island of taiwan in the first place.
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It would have been deeply unpopular
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Among the chinese people.
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And i think jim king knows that.
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Also, the chinese military is been wracked by purge
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After purge
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And is in no position to launch a combined air land
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Sea operation.
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And also because of the problems
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In the chinese political system in general,
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I don't think
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Jinping was willing to give any general or admiral
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Almost complete control over the chinese military,
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Which is
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What would have been necessary for an invasion of taiwan.
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Now it's even less likely because, i think xi
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Jinping realizes that the united states is a lot
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Tougher than he thought.
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Xi jinping, for the last half decade,
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Even more than that,
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Has been peddling this narrative that the us is finished.
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And so that led xi jinping to do a lot of very arrogant things.
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Now, i think that sea jumping is a little bit less arrogant
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And a lot more respectful of president trump
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And the united states of america.
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Well, gordon, we need to take a short break.
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Can you stay with us for another segment?
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I would love to, and thank you so much.
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But we'll be right back.
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But we'll be right back.
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We're back now with gordon chang.
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He's the author of many great books, including his latest
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Plan, red china's project to destroy america.
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I noticed a comment you made on a recent social media post
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From someone who was criticizing
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What he called the normalization of anti-chinese sentiment,
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Which he said was shocking given the benefits
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The world gets from the abundance of affordable goods.
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To which you responded and posted
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The normalization of china's genocide and mass murder.
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Murder is even more disturbing.
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It's borderline evil.
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Can you expand on that just a bit? for us?
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Yes. what we have is especially among the academics.
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And that was a british academic.
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This sort of notion that china has been good for,
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Countries around the world.
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And it's not only trade,
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But it's also other goods that china has supplied.
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And i think that,
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You know, we've got to look at what's been going on.
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First of all, in a trade perspective,
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China has not been contributing to global growth.
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It's actually been subtracting from it
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Because to contribute to global growth,
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You got to buy the goods and services of other countries.
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And china, with its predatory and criminal trade practices,
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Has been taking growth from other places.
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But what i was saying there was that
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We can't ignore what china has been doing in other areas,
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And that was the genocide of the uyghurs and the tibetans.
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And of course, you have the relentless persecution
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Of the christians, which is intensifying.
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You have the suppression
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Of political speech and political action.
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And you just this goes on and on of what china has been doing.
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Ultimately,
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China and this is just one example, is fentanyl.
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The communist party is behind the fentanyl gangs,
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Which means that china last year murdered 48,000 americans,
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And the year before that, 72,000 americans.
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And it deliberately released covid beyond its borders.
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That's 7 million people outside
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China who died from the disease, or who perished from a disease
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That should never have left the central part of china.
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So really, what we have is a regime
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That is murderous, that is criminal,
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That is engaged in in disrupting peace around the world.
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And now it's up to president trump and others
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To try to reestablish some order.
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And we took a long step in that direction on saturday
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With the arrest of maduro and his wife.
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Well, i wonder to what extent the chinese leadership
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Recognizes that the leverage is moving towards the u.s.
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Now, listen to how the secretary of state put it.
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We are in the midst right now and, in fact,
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About to execute on a deal to take all the oil.
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They have oil that is stuck in venezuela.
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They can't move it because of our quarantine
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And because of the sanctions.
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We are going to take between 30 and 50 million barrels of oil.
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We're going to sell it in the marketplace at market rates,
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Not at the discounts venezuela was getting.
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That money will then be handled in such a way
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That we will control how it is dispersed
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In a way that benefits the venezuelan
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People, not corruption, not the regime.
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So we have a lot of leverage
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To move on the stabilization front.
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Gordon, do you agree that the u.s.
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Is gaining the kind of leverage we need?
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Oh, absolutely.
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Energy is the foundational brick of every society
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In the united states, has been the world's largest
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Producer of crude oil for eight straight years.
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We've also been
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The largest producer of natural gas for several straight years.
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And with our control of venezuela, which has the world's
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Largest proven oil reserves at 303 billion barrels,
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Plus exxonmobil's relationship with neighboring guyana,
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Another big oil producer.
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And with president
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Trump strengthening relationship with the gulf states.
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This really means the us is the dominant force
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In energy around the world.
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And the chinese, who are net energy importers,
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Have got to understand that there is a new sheriff in town.
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Well, president xi did seem to bend to president trump's
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Tariff threat when he agreed to crack down on the production
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And the export of fentanyl from china.
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In fact, the latest federal data here
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Shows that overdose deaths in the u.s.
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They've begun to slow.
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Trump says that he'll cut the tariffs
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Even more if the flow of drugs from china stays low.
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Trump is doing all
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He can to save lives, and china gets to save money.
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That seems to say quite a lot about
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What's most important to each of those nations.
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How do we help the american people
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Understand that great divide?
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You know, i think that
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We've got to, look at, the communist
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Party's relationship to the producers of fentanyl.
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You know, many of those producers are state owned.
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We know that the chinese diplomats
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Give coverage of the fentanyl gangs.
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Every container that leaves
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China is inspected by chinese officials.
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The fentanyl gangs run their proceeds
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Through the chinese state banking system.
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Chinese owned tiktok promotes
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Illicit drug use in the united states.
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But when you talk about deaths from fentanyl,
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We should be talking about people
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Who have been murdered by the communist party,
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Because that's a deliberate policy.
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And seeking thing
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Has made those similar promises to president obama in 2016.
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President trump in 2018, president biden in 2023.
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And i hope this time
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That president trump convinces him that it's time
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That kim thing actually honors his promises on fentanyl.
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And if he doesn't, i'm sure that president trump
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Is going to make the chinese pay, because this is something
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Where we lose so many and have lost so many americans
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To this fentanyl, which is a communist party project.
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Well, before we run out of
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Time, you said something in your book
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That's important for everyone to hear.
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You wrote, china cannot attack america without american money
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And technology.
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Well, it's about time that america stopped supplying them.
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As the trump administration stopped supplying them yet?
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We're cutting down the flow of money.
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But, president trump has let the flow of technology continue.
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And i hope that, the president changes his mind on that.
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We should not be selling nvidia's h 200 chip, which,
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Although it's not nvidia's best chip, is his second best chip.
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And it's a chip, which is a lot better than the chinese have.
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And we should not
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Be helping them compete with us in artificial intelligence.
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And we shouldn't be allowing
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These important chips getting into china,
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Because one way or another,
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China's military is going to get a hold of them.
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So, president trump, i hope, does more of the technology from
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Well, gordon chang, thank you
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For sharing your time with us today.
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We all need to be more familiar with what china is up to.
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So i'd recommend getting a copy of his book plan.
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Read china's project to destroy america.
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It's simple.
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It's easy to understand. it'll help you.
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Thank you for your time, gordon.
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Well, thank you so much, alan.
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I really appreciate it.
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And stay safe.
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Well, i'll be back in a moment with the hope that exists.
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Despite the hurdles we've gone over tonight.
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Despite the hurdles we've gone over tonight.
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You know, history teaches us that communism and socialism,
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They're not just economic systems.
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They've been some of the most
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Destructive expressions of human authority in all of history.
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And nations like china, russia, venezuela.
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Pastors and church leaders
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Who speak out against the government.
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They've been threatened with arrest and even worse.
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Venezuela's controversial law against hatred
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Carried severe penalties.
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The law's aim
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Was to silence
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Religious voices that challenged the oppressive regime.
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Know once one of latin america's richest nations, history
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Tells us that when venezuela embraced socialist controlled
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Prosperity, it collapsed into poverty.
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Price controls and centralized power erased
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All the incentives to produce, to innovate.
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You may ask, what does that have to do with us here in america?
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Well, these principles have already
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Taken root in our nation, and it's only our profound
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Ignorance that gives them a place in the public square.
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When the clock struck midnight to start the new year,
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New yorkers were celebrating in times square.
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But just a few blocks away, a self-proclaimed socialist
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Placed his hand on a copy of the koran
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And became the mayor of the city.
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This new mayor went on to announce
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That one of the korans he used to be sworn in
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Will be kept on display
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At the main branch of the new york public library.
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The display is called, and i quote, the people's koran.
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And as christ followers.
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I don't believe we should be
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Belligerent or violent, but we have to be aware.
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So i have a question.
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Will we have the courage to speak up for truth,
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To speak up for a biblical worldview?
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If we stay out of the discussion of the public square,
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We abandon the places we live in to destructive influences.
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Will maintain no liberties and freedoms
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That we don't stand up for.
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We have to have the courage
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To be advocates for the truth and say no to ungodliness.
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If we'll do that, i assure you there's reasons for hope.
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We'll be back in just a moment with your emails.
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We'll be back in just a moment with your emails.
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Thank you for spending a few minutes of your day with us.
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Just a reminder, if you ever miss a live episode,
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You can always go to aj now.com.
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There's a full archive of the programs there.
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You can watch them at your leisure.
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I very much appreciate you
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Sharing your thoughts and opinions with us through
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Your emails are always a highlight.
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Lynn, from tennessee said i love your show a recorded daily.
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I especially like your guest, gordon chang.
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He gives such excellent information on china.
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Thank you for enlightening your viewing audience
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On so many world topics we need to be informed about.
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Well then i agree.
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Gordon always brings a clarity to the chinese questions
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That are absent in so much of the reporting i hear.
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It helps us understand what's happening in the world.
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David from washington
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Shared an american quote that is more relative today than ever.
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And i quote, you cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
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You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
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You cannot lift the wage
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Earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
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You cannot help people permanently by doing for them
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What they could and should do for themselves.
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That's a quote from abraham lincoln.
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It does seem very relevant today.
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You know, as i earned a degree in history one time,
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And it seems that god has provided leaders
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We need at those critical junctures
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In the unfolding story of our nation.
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I believe he's done that for us again.
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I pray we have the courage to take the biblical worldview
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That we're responsible
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For back into our homes and our communities.
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If we do, then we will maintain the gains
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That we have been given
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By a leader with the courage to embrace those views.
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John from pennsylvania wrote in to in short months
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To the midterms, i would venture to state that
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It is time for all bible believing
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And preaching churches and pastors,
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Along with those sitting in the congregations,
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To start talking about how to explain to america
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Why it's essential that we turn this evil tide back.
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Thanks for all that you do.
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Well, john, i think it's pretty simple.
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If we will turn our hearts to god.
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He'll help us turn the evil tide back.
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Let's face.
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The lord will stand in his strength.
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Thanks for spending a few minutes with us.
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I'm alan jackson, and i pray you have a good evening.
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Allen Jackson: China's Leverage Lost | Allen Jackson Now

January 12, 2026 | 22:24

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