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November 3, 2025 | 22:32

Sage Steele joins Allen Jackson to discuss current events.

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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Courage Awakened | Allen Jackson Now | November 3, 2025

We have a special guest today, sage steele.
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Welcome to murfreesboro. thank you.
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I have never been to murfreesboro, pastor.
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And your life is incomplete.
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Glad to be here. thank you.
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I got to know you on sports center.
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So maybe we start there with.
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Yeah, because, i mean, there were some unexpected.
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Well, i mean, first, a lot of success.
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I won't say really early.
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I'm sure you worked really hard.
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But for those of us on the outside it you showed up.
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It's a how it tends to happen.
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You just kind of appear you know.
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But yeah it was a childhood dream.
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Sports journalism. yes.
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To be a sportscaster.
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Yep. you an athlete?
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And, in my own mind,
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I was a pretty good high school volleyball player,
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But that's as far as it goes.
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In the
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80s, i was 11 or 12 years old watching the la olympics in 84.
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And knew at that moment that that's what i wanted to do. wow.
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Because i knew i wasn't going to be a good enough
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Athlete to play anything past high school.
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So what's the second best thing is to talk about it?
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And to get to know the why
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Behind athletes, coaches like what makes them great.
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And it's funny i look back now.
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I felt at a young age how sport brought people together.
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And you are at a football game,
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A basketball game,
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And you might not know who you're sitting next to,
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But you're high fiving them
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When your team's doing well, aren't you? absolutely.
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And so for three hours on a sunday,
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Everybody's friends, the world is at peace.
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At least in that stadium.
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And i remember wanting to be a part of that.
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So that's where the dream began. and then it was.
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Yeah.
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11 or 12 year journey through local tv, regional tv
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Before getting to espn and then 16.5 years there.
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Sportscenter was my ultimate dream,
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And i'll never forget that first day.
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And even even though you know the ending of my time
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There was not great, i wouldn't change a thing.
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I loved it.
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I've met you around some turning point
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Usa events, and i think we've got to talk about that.
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That's the obvious part of the day. our friend charlie
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Got promoted.
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But i that's where i saw you at some of those events.
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And how did you get to know charlie.
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He reached out to me on twitter several years back.
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I can believe that.
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Yeah.
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And just had some nice words to say.
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And i thought, charlie kirk knows who i am.
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I was still at espn and yeah, being muzzled at the time
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And i think he probably i mean, he's quite intuitive, right?
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I think you probably felt it.
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And then i'd pull back because i'd get in trouble.
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But our country, you just kept
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You felt it boiling.
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And he just said some kind, encouraging things.
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Obviously, in the last year leading up to the election.
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And i'd been gone for me for about a year at the time
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And less than who knew
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The last thing i ever imagine was me on a campaign trail
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For anybody, much less donald trump.
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And, i it was it was amazing.
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And it was so inspiring to then be able to sit
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Next to charlie and pick his brain a little bit,
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And derive some of the courage that he displayed.
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I just, i just wanted a little tiny piece of it.
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And then when he asked me, summer of 20, was it 23?
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I guess the turning point, he would say
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The fifth event and west palm.
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Yeah, that's.
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I mean, i was so scared
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Because i knew the importance of what he was doing.
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Right?
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And i had never talked openly about my faith.
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Scary.
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You i've watched that part of your story kind of unfold a bit.
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You're doing well. yeah, you really are.
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Thank you.
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It's every time i do it.
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I i'm always so grateful for the opportunity,
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And i feel
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Like i receive so many gifts from that because of what i hear
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From others who are like, okay, if she can do it, i can.
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Someone who's who didn't grow up that way. right?
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So there's so many blessings from just being out there
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And being vulnerable and that's what charlie.
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That's what erica taught me.
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I only met erica in person one time, and we stayed in touch.
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But that was at amp fest last year.
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And what we spoke about and then after that, really,
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Really changed me.
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And for me, to me, i mean, i'm, i'm 20 plus years
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Older than charlie was when he died, you know?
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And so at first i'm like, these are kids.
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They could be my kids. and they're teaching me.
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So it's been a real it's been an honor to be able to say that.
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I got to do a couple of things with him.
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Now it feels like we've gotten the baton.
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We can't be, charlie.
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But we have to be a voice for truth in the arenas
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Where we are.
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But he had you.
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The lord had already started you on that path.
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You said it a minute ago.
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Something about,
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Your bosses would pull you back.
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What's that mean?
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I thought we have free speech and,
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That the networks are champions of inclusivity and openness.
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University?
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Yes. inclusion?
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Not so much. not so much.
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You know, i think a lot has changed
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Since i left that world two years ago.
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And it's amazing what can happen when someone else is
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In the white house, someone who actually believes
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In that leadership really matters.
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Yeah, it actually does.
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That's why your vote matters.
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You know, i don't
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I don't disagree with in my case,
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Espn, disney at the time saying,
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I mean, this let's actually go back ten years ago.
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And when donald trump decided to run down
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That golden escalator in 2015 and then 2016,
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I mean, we were told very clearly and explicitly,
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No politics, not on our airwaves, but on social media.
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And most of us listened
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Until donald trump won in 2016.
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And, when our leadership, when our vice presidents
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Were tweeting terrible things about him,
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It was so confusing.
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I'm a rule follower. i really, believe it or not.
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Try to never stir the pot and just
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Make sure everybody likes me.
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I know people are like, really?
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Trust me. i asked my mom. i was such a good kid.
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I don't know what happened.
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And and that's when everything kind of got crazy.
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And the problem is, are a lot of our, a lot of our leadership
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Didn't like donald trump.
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And so therefore they said it was okay
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For certain people to say those things
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Because they agreed, which is not leadership.
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It's bad business is what that is.
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And so that's where it began.
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And then it ramped up in 2020 with covid etc..
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And i just never understood the double standard.
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And that's when i started to inadvertently
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At first to speak up.
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It was not intentional.
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Again, i had a job, a job that i loved,
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Three kids to support by myself, like, i need
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I needed that job too.
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So i'm going to stay in line, right?
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And when i ended up standing up and actually suing
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Disney and espn, it was only because of that.
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Because they punished me, suspended me,
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Took assignments away, etc..
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For saying what i said about
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Being forced to take a covid shot
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On a separate podcast away from espn,
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While my peers were allowed to talk about how devastated
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They were that roe versus wade was overturned,
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Or the don't say gay bill in florida on espn airwaves.
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And so the double standard is where
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When i after you punish me but then allow that because
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As a leader you agree with those views,
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That's when it wasn't okay.
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So it makes me sad that they allowed it
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To get to that point. right.
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But as a leader,
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You have to be as a parent, you have to be consistent.
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And then, once the toothpaste is out of the tube
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In many ways with
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With those people on the left and the
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And everything turned woke, everything turned political.
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Again, bad business decision.
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And i am
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I firmly believe i would tell my bosses
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This people are not coming to watch espn to hear our opinions
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On politics.
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They're coming for highlights and interviews
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And to yell about their team losing or whatever it is.
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But we are an escape and we're ruining that.
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And i think that's what happened.
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I think it's more complicated than that
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Because people would say the same thing about church.
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They'll say they don't come to church to hear politics.
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They come to hear a bible story.
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You know,
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They want to talk about
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The pharisees and sadducees in first century culture.
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They come for an escape from the combativeness of our culture.
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But i think the whether it's the media or the church,
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We are presenting something.
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We are presenting a moral viewpoint,
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We are presenting a worldview, we are advocating for something.
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And i think we've used that
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Language to hide from things we didn't want to address.
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You know, i agree, i think sports is about sports,
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But i've watched my share of it
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And you get a sense of worldview as you watch it.
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And i respect you for standing up and saying
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This perspective needs to be a part of the dialog,
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Or at least allow both. right.
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I call it was what?
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I can't stand the diversity of opinions.
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Let me sort it out.
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Absolutely.
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But when you punish one side, either side,
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That's not actually what you're preaching.
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And so that was the that was the rub.
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And listen, i think their numbers have been
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Affected.
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Ratings advertising has been affected greatly by it.
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And it's and it's unfortunate.
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So listen,
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Yes, there are lines that have been crossed
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And i'm okay with it.
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Back several years ago, it was, you know, laura ingraham
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Famously or infamously said, shut up and dribble.
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And that we're past that.
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That's a sound, right?
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And i guess not, but and
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You have to allow all the athletes to do it that and
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And so you're going to get on patrick mahomes or josh allen,
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Or whoever it might be for
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Being upset that charlie kirk was murdered the way he was.
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And these athletes are getting crushed for just
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Recognizing how horrible that was. why?
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So i think it's it's an all or nothing thing.
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You cannot
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I mean, you can, but i think there are repercussions.
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And that's what we're seeing a lot
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Now that there's repercussions
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When you only allow the voices that you agree with.
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When you only allow the voices that you agree with.
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I think we have to go back into those corporate boardrooms.
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From my vantage point, i'm older than you.
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And for several decades we were told if someone said
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They were offended by our faith we should be quiet and retreat.
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If one solitary person raised their hand
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And said i'm offended, then we should withdraw completely.
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And we complied. we did.
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I mean,
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We did, we, we took our stories and we stepped out.
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And now we find ourselves
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When those corporate boardrooms are dominated by worldviews.
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And if i raise my hand and say
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I am offended, they tell me to shut up.
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Exactly.
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So now i'm embarrassed.
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I'm like i surrendered the field
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And i'm going to have to invest the effort, the energy,
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The focus,
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Make the sacrifices to retake some of that territory.
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Because my faith belongs
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In the public square as much as as their faith does.
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And so it's why i appreciate your courage.
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You had you had gained everythin
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Overlooking.
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And you chose not to do that.
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So thank you.
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Thank you.
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I did for a long time, and i.
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I'm trying not to regret it
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Because that's where i was at that time.
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Yeah, but i took what it took to to find it.
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And that formation, it's a journey. yeah.
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You know, those muscles
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We have, physical muscles we develop as.
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We have spiritual muscles and character muscles,
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And all of those have to be developed as well.
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And you had the
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I don't think you'd be a world class athlete without having
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A certain amount of genetic advantage.
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Then you have to put in the work and god gave you the character
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And you put in the work to let that character be expressed,
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Which makes me think the best is still ahead of you.
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He didn't bring you through that season to diminish your voice.
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It may take a different.
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I'm curious so post espn. yeah.
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You've been on a journey.
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I have. it's crazy.
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It is. tell us a little bit.
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It's been so
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Fun and
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Scary and completely unpredictable and oh my god.
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And devastating it. yes. all. all of it. yeah.
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And i get so emotional when i think about it.
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And think about how i felt that day that,
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I settled out of court with disney and i was in a,
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A law firm in los angeles
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With a mediator and my attorneys.
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I'd never hired an attorney for anything in my life.
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Probably should have proposed things and hadn't.
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And the big disney powerful people
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Are in the room next to me.
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And when we agreed to it,
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And i put my head on the table, i just sobbed
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Because it took so long to get there
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And a dream that came to an end
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In a way that i thought was just so unnecessary.
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And from that moment on,
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I remember getting on that plane the next day
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And pushing sand on my tweet to my public statement that
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We had agreed to,
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And realizing that when i landed,
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I didn't know what that was going to look like.
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And for a long time and i started to speak up
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And fox news
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And other networks would have me on, and i remember
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They would ask me a question and i'd get scared.
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And i remember having this constant vision
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That disney ceo bob iger was going to come up behind my chair
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And grab me by the throat and say, no, you're suspended again.
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Like, i had this almost ptsd.
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And i joke about it now, but it was a
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I realized how much i had just
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Been trained to be silent and to live in fear.
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And it was beautiful to take some time.
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I didn't really take time off
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Because it's like, well, what's next?
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What do you i have to make a living.
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I have to feed my kids. i have to do something.
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But to take some time and to reflect
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And to realize that by speaking up,
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It was so much bigger than me.
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And the number of people,
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The thousands of dms and notes and emails
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That i would get from people, i feel terrible.
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I never was able to respond to all of them.
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But that's when i began to realize why i was on this earth,
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Not just for my three kids.
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That's number one, i believe.
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You know, as a mother, to raise them.
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But right there as important
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Was to be a voice for so many people
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Who've been afraid for so long, just like i was,
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Because the fear is real and it's legitimate.
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Yeah.
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Especially a couple years ago, i mean, and my friend roseanne
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And my friend gina
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Carano and jillian michaels and all these people,
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Especially disney, former disney employees
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Who were shut down and silenced and canceled and celebrated
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The celebration that was out there when we got canceled.
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So the fear
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Is real and weird to me.
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They celebrate.
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Oh, i mean, celebrate, celebrate.
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And, i mean, and as that pleaser that i told you about who?
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I just wanted to
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Do the right thing and be like that was a process
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Has been a process to let go of that
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And realize that it's okay.
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It's probably the biggest,
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Transformation i've had.
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Aside from my faith and being outward with
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That is to be okay being disliked.
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But i, i, i think of it in my life differently.
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The fear of god to me,
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The respect, the reverence for god
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Means because i have a little bit of that in me.
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But i want to please him.
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Yes, well, that's where it is now.
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And if it makes everybody else uncomfortable and he's pleased,
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I'm like, liberal. yeah. it's
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Taken so long for me to get there,
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But that's part of his journey and it's fine.
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But that's what that's why it's okay now.
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Because i know he's okay with me.
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And to continue to say it.
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I have never it's it's funny in the sports world, i,
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I just had this dream to tell stories.
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I didn't know it would turn into what it did.
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I didn't know,
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I mean, there was no internet when i started that.
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So you don't realize you're going to be famous
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Or there was life before the internet.
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There was, apparently.
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And i miss it, darn it.
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But i i'm blown away and humbled at
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What people say to me,
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Strangers, when they come up, especially with,
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You know, keeping women's sports safe for women with that topic
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And the number of men and fathers who come up to me
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With tears in their eyes at airports
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Because they wanted to speak up for their daughters,
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But they would lose their $50,000 a year job.
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And that's all they had. like they it's real.
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And so that's the beauty of this, of my cancellation
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And all the chaos and the fear pushing through it,
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Is that i can be
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One of many voices i've gotten to be friends
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With riley gaines and so many strong young women.
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I mean, she's 25 years old,
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I'm twice her age, and she's teaching me things.
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When we realized that it is not about us
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And that our big mouth and my case, i guess, can help others
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Or at least be their voice because they can't.
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Today, maybe tomorrow.
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What a gift.
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And that is, i i'd say probably
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Again, another huge blessing of the last two years
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Where i had no clue and no idea.
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And now i can look back at so many moments through the years
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Before espn where i had this fear.
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But god was right next to me the entire time, and it's so.
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I'm just grateful that i see it now that i even though again,
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I wish it had happened 25 years ago.
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I see it now, and now i have a voice to be able
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To share it and hope others don't wait as long as i did.
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To share it and hope others don't wait as long as i did.
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On my most consistent
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Complaint with god is about his timing.
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But i have to say, from this vantage point in my life,
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His timing has always been perfect. always.
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And i think we put us in those places.
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When he knows we're ready to do it,
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He truly is a loving parent.
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And i think, well, if you'd have given me
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That opportunity before, but i would have fumbled it.
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Yeah.
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And so i think the timing in your life was perfect.
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It's overwhelming some it is, but it's exciting.
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This notion that cooperating with god
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Or yielding to god will diminish.
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You will take something away, that it's sacrificial.
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What a bunch of garbage.
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Everything i have relinquished to the lord.
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I've gotten back better
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Not maybe in the moment i've done it in the moment.
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It's frightening. makes me uncomfortable.
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You make you kind of set apart from your peer group.
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And you think, dear god, i'm going
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To look like the village idiot.
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But then god does what god does.
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And you think, why did i ever
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Why did i but i do, i still do that.
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I still face you still do it.
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And i'm not going to beat myself up as much.
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You know, i was real quick. i think you'll love this.
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When i was in college,
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I went through a really, really tough time
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And didn't know which way my life was going to go.
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And my mom and dad, got on a plane.
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They lived in kansas.
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I went to school at indiana university,
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And they got in a plane and came to me.
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When they left, they left a framed picture
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And it said,
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If you want to give god a good laugh, tell him your plans.
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But that was so true.
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Like, i had this whole grand plan for my life,
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And i was going to,
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You know, do this, this and this and this
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To get to espn and eventually have
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Sports center and have some kids along,
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Like i had it planned out at age 18, 19 until that moment.
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And so i'm so glad.
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And it's all beat up now in this ugly frame.
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And it's peeling.
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And i look at it all the time and he has his plans for us.
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You do just need to wait.
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He gave you the grace to chase yours
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Through, you know, with a great deal of success.
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And then he showed you something even better,
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Which that is so cool to me.
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Which that is so cool to me.
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One of the outcomes to me of
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Covid was forced us to acknowledge some things.
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The degree to which we participated with the deception,
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And he was unsettling for me.
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Before covid, i trusted the cdc.
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I trusted the fbi,
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I trusted that science would cross state lines,
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You know?
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And a few weeks into that, i thought, this is bizarre.
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Yeah.
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And it's continued right up until today.
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And i that's the spirit of god moving us.
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So i'm very grateful for your courage
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And your willingness to share your story.
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Thank you so much.
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Allen Jackson: Courage Awakened | Allen Jackson Now

November 3, 2025 | 22:32

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