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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Culture & Christianity Conference 2025 (Part 3)| Allen Jackson Now | October 23, 2025
- A lot of people are saying, you know, it's
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- The seeds of revival, the beginning of a revival.
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- I pray that's true.
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- But revival isn't going to be tracked by big public worship.
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- Services are great crowds.
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- Even revival, ultimately
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- Is about the transformation
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- Of human lives, and it's most evident
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- In the transformation of human behavior.
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- And i think a part of the question is,
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- How do we recognize it when we see it?
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- We just hosted a conference here on our campus in murfreesboro
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- Regarding culture and christianity,
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- And one of the segments we spent a half
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- We spent a whole afternoon
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- With a group of pastor friends of mine
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- Talking about culture and christianity.
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- Then we did a panel discussion.
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- That's what i want to share with you,
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- Because we were talking about revival.
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- What that looks like, what it will feel like historically.
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- It's not what we would expect.
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- The pastors are friends of mine rob mccoy,
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- Doctor george grant, john hammond, chuck gary hamrick,
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- Some remarkable leaders of the church in our nation.
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- I believe the panel discussion will open our imagination
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- To what we're looking for god
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- To be doing in this immediate season.
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- God is moving in the earth,
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- But it's going to take understanding hearts
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- And our ability to see in some new ways
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- To be able to participate.
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- Enjoy the discussion.
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- You guys are political.
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- And. so
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- Is our savior.
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- I think it's safe to say that
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- In the season that we've been in ministry,
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- We have seen a significant change in the church,
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- How it's presented, how it's understood, that feel like
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- I mean, i think most of us would say that.
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- So the question i don't want to bemoan
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- That the question on the table is,
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- What does it look like for it to be different?
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- And we've got a few minutes and i want to use
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- Some of the ideas you shared.
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- But that's really
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- I want to go away from here
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- With an imagination of what we're looking for.
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- You know, when covid, when we first heard about covid
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- And we were gathering outside, i remember saying to the church,
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- We need to know what we're looking for.
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- We're looking for breakthroughs that the death rate
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- Isn't what they say it's going to be, that there's
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- That there's interventions, that there's treatments that
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- What is it we're looking for, what we're asking god.
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- And what is it we're looking for?
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- Is the church.
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- Stop sitting in churches that deny the truth,
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- That don't honor the scripture.
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- They don't honor the uniqueness of jesus
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- And praying for him to change.
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- But that's as foolish.
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- Is going to a bad restaurant and praying they get a new chef.
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- It really is.
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- So what i
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- What i want us to take these next
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- Few minutes is to come away with some imagination
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- Of what it is we're looking for, because god begins to move.
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- How are we to, oh that's god.
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- George, you
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- Talked about the conspiracy, the robes,
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- Judges, colleges, ministers.
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- So what's it look like if we see god begin to move in
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- Those arenas to make that difference?
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- How do we know?
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- Because it's got to change.
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- We got a university of this community.
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- It has to change. yeah.
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- One of the things that charlie did so well
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- Was he called out the powers and the principalities,
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- But he didn't call them out to just tear them down.
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- He called them out to say, okay, all of you
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- Who now see that the emperor has no clothes, you go forth
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- And you take their place, stand in their stead.
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- In a sense,
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- What we've got to do is we've got to call the church
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- To its place in the culture
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- And say, let's aspire
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- To do what jesus called us to do, to be what
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- Jesus has called us to be in every single arena.
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- And let's take back the robes.
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- Not because we want the pomp and ceremony,
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- But because we are charged with the task
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- To disciple the nations.
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- We've been we've been gathering in small groups, discipling
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- One another in a holy huddle.
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- But it's time for us
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- To go to the nations and disciple the nations
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- And teach them everything that jesus has taught us,
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- Knowing that he is with us to the end of the age.
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- What does it look like?
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- It looks like calling on our young men and women and saying,
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- You're next. we want to prepare you.
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- We want to fill your minds with the facts, with the reality.
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- We want you to read the right books.
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- We want you to,
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- Begin to memorize scripture so that it's hidden in your heart.
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- And then you go forth to war
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- With.
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- Jerry, i'm sure that your congregation
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- Is populated with the deep state actors and elected people.
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- And god bless you.
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- What does it look like if we see god moving in that arena?
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- What are we watching for?
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- We think it's fantastic.
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- You know, what we're looking for,
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- I think, is just a good old fashioned
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- Great awakening, the jesus revolution of the 70s.
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- We are due for another great awakening, another great
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- Revival, and.
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- In as the lord is choosing to use
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- Charlie's murder to accomplish that and
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- Praise god,
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- I mean, he uses
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- All different things to accomplish his divine purposes,
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- Even when we can't understand it in the moment.
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- But, you know, politically,
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- The deep state, washington, d.c.
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- On a positive note,
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- There are some strong brothers and sisters on capitol hill.
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- I'm part of a personal prayer team for speaker johnson. and,
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- There are
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- Things happening in our nation's capital
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- That i can just tell you are wonderful testimonies
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- Of god's amazing grace and the move of his holy spirit
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- And we need to be praying for our elected leaders.
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- What it say to timothy who said, pray for those
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- All in authority for kings and all those in authority,
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- That we might live
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- Peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.
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- So pray for all our elected leaders,
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- Whether we like them or not, whether we voted for them
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- Or not.
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- We have a mandate, a charge to pray for our elected leaders
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- So we can see the spirit of god move in washington, dc
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- And in the hearts of our elected leaders.
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- My lifetime has been filled with language
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- About racial reconciliation,
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- Appropriately so.
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- There's a lot of work to do.
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- But it seems to me
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- In recent times we are more divided
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- Than we've ever been along racial lines.
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- So if we're going to look for god to move in that arena,
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- I'm sure you've got some clarity on that.
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- What are we looking for?
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- What are we going to say?
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- And that's god,
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- Because we've been told
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- A lot of things are god
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- That don't have anything to do with god.
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- Well, i really think that understanding that we're all
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- One race
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- Is the first thing.
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- One race.
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- And there are many different ethnicities
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- That come out of this one race,
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- But we are one race and we're also one blood,
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- And we don't need $2 and $3 and $5
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- Quote terms to help us bring about unity.
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- What we need is simple, basic
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- Scriptures love your neighbor as yourself,
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- And it's just this is the simplicity of the gospel
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- That brings about true racial reconciliation,
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- Knowing that we're all in need of a savior, knowing that
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- Racism is not a skin tone or a color, but it's sin.
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- It's sin.
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- And that sin
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- Can put you in a position where you are estranged from god.
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- And so if you harbor the sin of racism,
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- Then you need to repent for that.
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- A big handclap goes there.
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- And i say that racism is not a skin tone or color,
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- Because we have this viewpoint that only whites can be
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- Racist.
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- Blacks can be racist.
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- Hispanics can be racist.
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- Asians can be racist.
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- Indians can be racist.
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- Pacific islanders, native americans, others.
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- It's a choice.
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- It's a choice to love or a choice to hate.
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- Yeah.
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- And so we can try to trivialize how we address this,
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- But we must make sure that we don't propagate
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- The very thing that god abhors. god
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- Is not a respecter of persons.
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- We're all equally in need of a savior.
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- We're equal at the foot of the cross.
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- And so we should unite with one
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- Another because it's godly to do so.
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- And it represents
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- True christian beauty and holiness.
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- Now there are people who profit from the division.
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- We call these people race baiters and race hustlers.
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- These are the al sharpton's and the jesse jackson's
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- And the joe biden
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- And the nick fuentes is
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- I can go on and on.
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- These people make money off of creating.
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- Anarchy and rebellion and hatred.
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- And it's a tool of marxism.
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- That's what it is, that in order for marxism to thrive,
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- There has to be the oppressor versus the oppressed dynamic,
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- The rich versus the poor, blacks versus white, straight,
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- Straight people versus gays, the vaxed versus
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- The unvaccinated, so on and so forth.
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- And so we have to tear down the idol of racism
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- By embracing that we are one race, that we are one blood,
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- And that we all are in need of a holy savior.
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- And that we all are in need of a holy savior.
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- But i know there's not a
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- Simple answer to this, but if we're looking for
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- When god begins to move, what are we watching for?
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- This is not charlie on campus now.
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- We had a completely different imagination two weeks ago.
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- And you're closer to this.
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- You got family involved.
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- It's personal to you,
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- And i know the answer will change as we walk forward.
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- But from today, what are you looking for?
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- Well, first of all, i feel like a mule at the kentucky derby.
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- I'm not going to win, but i'm in mighty fine company.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- That's huge.
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- I feel like one of you. i'm listening to them.
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- I'm like, oh, i have to speak.
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- Yeah.
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- Moving forward, i think what what
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- What charlie's inspired and what he's he's done.
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- I think this rests
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- On the pulpits of america.
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- Charlie saw turning point moving.
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- But he knew, as alexis de tocqueville said,
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- That america is great because america is good.
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- And when it ceases to be good, it will cease to be great.
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- And he look for america's greatness
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- In his seaports and our cities of commerce.
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- But it wasn't until he saw the pulpits aflame
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- With the righteousness that he saw what made america good.
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- And as i said in my my presentation earlier,
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- We've we've embraced a modern day gnosticism,
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- And the pastors need to step into the public square.
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- They have to step into the ecclesia and contend for
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- For the welfare of their neighbor.
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- And and a lot of them are hesitant.
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- They,
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- I'll give you an example, pastor gary and i are calvary chapel
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- Pastors, and pastor chuck
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- Started calvary chapel in 1967,
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- And in 1967, in california, we had the fourth largest gdp.
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- Reagan was governor.
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- We just completed the california aqueduct,
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- Which was a marvel in civil engineering,
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- Bringing the water from the sierras to the san
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- Joaquin valley,
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- Which produces more cotton than the entire south combined.
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- It is the wealthiest, with natural resources
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- Of any state in the union is beautiful.
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- You can you can be surfing in the morning.
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- I've done this snow skiing in the afternoon and dirt
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- Bike riding in the desert at sunset in one day.
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- It is a beautiful state.
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- And as is, congressman mcclintock said, what can cause
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- People to leave the beauty of california for the
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- The deserts of nevada and the flatlands of texas.
- 00:13:37.007 --> 00:13:40.243
- And he said one thing bad government.
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- So chuck comes in in
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- 1967 and in 67, we had the my lai massacre.
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- Reverend doctor martin luther
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- King jr was shot on a balcony in memphis, tennessee.
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- Bobby kennedy was shot by sirhan sirhan in l.a.
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- All these young people had checked out of the churches.
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- All their heroes were dead.
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- That had given the promised them hope.
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- They checked out of the churches
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- That weren't addressing the issues
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- And tuned in to eastern religion and experimental drug use.
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- And they ended up a wash in california
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- On the shores of california, burned out,
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- And chuck and k
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- Looked out at a sea of
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- Burned out humanity and began to minister to these hippies.
- 00:14:17.047 --> 00:14:20.216
- And he avoided politics because they were so burned out
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- That he
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- He just taught the bible verse by verse, chapter
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- By chapter, book
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- By book, kept the main thing, the plain thing
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- And the plain thing, the main thing.
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- And we experienced 10,000% growth since 1967.
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- There's over 1800 calvary chapels around the world,
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- One of the largest mission movements in modern history.
- 00:14:36.032 --> 00:14:39.636
- And and yet, how did it affect california?
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- Because he avoided politics. out. don't have that california.
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- We don't have the fourth largest gdp.
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- We now have the fifth, maybe six.
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- We have the highest gas tax, sales
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- Tax, income tax, corporate tax.
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- We lead the nation in debt.
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- You can buy in the next four largest states.
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- That doesn't equal the debt of california.
- 00:14:55.318 --> 00:14:57.587
- We're the authors of no fault divorce that reagan,
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- Signed into law, said it was the worst piece
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- Of legislation
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- Caused divorce to run rampant across the country.
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- And here's here's the kicker.
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- We have the most vile,
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- Sexual education curriculum.
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- I mean, you can't even read a page of it
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- Where the transgender bathroom bills and then here's the worst.
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- We lead the nation in abortion.
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- Well, and, melissa,
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- We don't just rip the baby apart in the womb of its mother
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- And flush its parts into the sewer system of the state.
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- We harvest the organs.
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- Before we do that, we make nazi germany look like girl scouts.
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- And the lion's share of those 1800
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- Churches are in california,
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- And we preach the gospel and we call for christ every sunday.
- 00:15:40.497 --> 00:15:44.567
- And there's a harvest of souls. greg.
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- Glory, harvest, crusades, somebody loves you.
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- Crusades as raw. reese.
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- We see people coming to christ all the time,
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- But we avoid politics.
- 00:15:51.641 --> 00:15:52.842
- And that's the reason.
- 00:15:52.842 --> 00:15:54.744
- Where's the power that gospel
- 00:15:54.744 --> 00:15:56.279
- Children are being mutilated and harvested.
- 00:15:57.147 --> 00:16:00.350
- And i think the pastors need to awaken that.
- 00:16:00.350 --> 00:16:02.452
- When jesus said in matthew 16, upon this rock, i'll build
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- My church, he was saying, this up accessory is a philippi
- 00:16:06.689 --> 00:16:10.527
- Where that's the most resplendent place
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- To park like
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- Setting in every everyone that's ever conquered the region
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- Set up a temple to their god or goddess,
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- And he brings his disciples up from the galilee.
- 00:16:17.667 --> 00:16:19.669
- And there's a spark like setting in the cacophony of noise
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- Of roman pagan worship, with back as the god of alcohol
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- And aphrodite, goddess of sexual, probably drunken nudity.
- 00:16:25.675 --> 00:16:28.244
- He turns to these disciples jesus, who to men say that i am.
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- And they say, some say you're john the baptist.
- 00:16:32.215 --> 00:16:33.583
- I say, jeremiah says, but who?
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- Who do you say that i am? it's. peter says, you're the messiah.
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- You're the savior of the world.
- 00:16:37.587 --> 00:16:39.089
- He says, blessed are you, son of our jonah.
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- Flesh and blood son revealed this to my father in heaven.
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- Upon this rock i will build mine.
- 00:16:42.492 --> 00:16:44.727
- Everyone says church. that's not the word.
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- Jesus didn't use a religious term.
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- He didn't say synagogue or temple.
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- He deliberately used a secular term
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- That aristotle had coined 200 years or 400 years earlier.
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- He said, ecclesia.
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- The ecclesia was a place where the citizens of the greek city
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- State would gather to decide
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- The welfare of the citizens of their community,
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- And above the door of every ecclesia was illusory,
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- A nice enemy of liberty and equality,
- 00:17:08.251 --> 00:17:10.019
- And and somehow, in the last 50 years, we have stepped
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- Out of the public square and truncated the gospel.
- 00:17:14.424 --> 00:17:17.594
- And it's this nation, and the gospel is if the gospel
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- Is the most important thing, which it is,
- 00:17:21.231 --> 00:17:23.633
- Preaching the gospel is the most important thing.
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- The second most important thing is protecting the government
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- That allows the preaching of that gospel.
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- Churches have to start doing this.
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- Churches have to start doing this.
- 00:17:42.004 --> 00:17:46.897
- Just to piggyback on that,
- 00:17:47.464 --> 00:17:50.534
- Challenged by a quote from martin luther, and he said,
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- If you preach the gospel in all aspects
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- Without addressing the issues of your time,
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- You are not preaching the gospel at all.
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- We're.
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- Okay.
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- But here's the awkward reality.
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- What you're describing is a minority position.
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- The overwhelming majority of the churches
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- We spend our lives in the church
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- Avoid this like the plague.
- 00:18:17.260 --> 00:18:20.597
- And there's all sorts of fancy language.
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- We don't want a theocracy.
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- So let's talk about it just a minute to give the people
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- Some ideas to take away,
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- Because they're going that's going to be pushed back at that.
- 00:18:33.076 --> 00:18:35.645
- Your church is just trying to dominate politics.
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- You're trying to take over a community.
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- You want a theocracy, you can't legislate morality,
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- Blah blah, blah, blah, blah.
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- Can i go to the.
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- Here's the thing.
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- The only thing that you can legislate is morality.
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- That's what legislation is.
- 00:19:01.605 --> 00:19:04.441
- Legislation says this is right.
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- This is wrong.
- 00:19:07.377 --> 00:19:08.712
- The question is which morality?
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- That's it.
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- All legislation
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- Is the legislating of morality.
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- The big boogeyman right now
- 00:19:20.190 --> 00:19:21.992
- Is christian nationalism.
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- And the truth is, is that
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- Christ told us to go and disciple all the nations.
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- We want christian nationalism in uganda.
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- We want christian nationalism in argentina.
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- We want christian nationalism in
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- Every nation on the face of the earth.
- 00:19:44.614 --> 00:19:47.851
- John knox's great cry at the reformation was lord,
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- Give us scotland or we die.
- 00:19:52.522 --> 00:19:56.493
- I stood in a mosque, at the invitation of
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- A new man in, slavonia, iraq.
- 00:19:59.929 --> 00:20:04.634
- I said, what do you want me to preach on?
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- He said, don't tell us about your isa.
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- Of course.
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- Tell us about your jesus.
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- And i concluded my sermon with,
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- Lord, give us iraq
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- Or we die, if that's what christian nationalism is,
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- Then lord, give it to us.
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- Then lord, give it to us.
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- Christian nationalism.
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- The left labels you and the church
- 00:20:41.970 --> 00:20:44.073
- Feels like a cheap suit.
- 00:20:44.073 --> 00:20:45.774
- And so you can't combine the two.
- 00:20:45.774 --> 00:20:48.310
- I'm a christian husband.
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- I can love two things at the same time.
- 00:20:50.145 --> 00:20:52.448
- I can love god and my wife.
- 00:20:52.448 --> 00:20:53.782
- I can love god and my country.
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- He. paul, was a christian nationalist.
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- He he he invoked the laws of rome
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- And the rights of a roman citizen.
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- He knew his country better than we know our own.
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