Allen Jackson: Deep Fakes | Allen Jackson Now

September 23, 2025 | 22:27

Richard Torrenzano joins Allen Jakcson to discuss current events.

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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Deep Fakes | Allen Jackson Now | September 23, 2025
  • Good evening, and welcome to nashville.
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  • I'm alan jackson.
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  • You don't have to look far to see the further away we drift
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  • From the truth of scripture, the easier it is to be deceived.
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  • It makes me think of bank tellers
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  • When they're trained to recognize
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  • What's an actual dollar bill and what's a fake.
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  • They don't spend time examining counterfeit money.
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  • They study the real dollar
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  • So they can recognize what it looks like.
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  • Then it's easy to spot what's fake.
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  • When we spend our time focusing on god's word and his truth,
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  • It's much easier to notice when something is off.
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  • Well, it's the same thing when it comes to technology.
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  • There's ai and there are deep fakes.
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  • There are gaming sites that pop up, pop up out of nowhere,
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  • Many of them looking for traffic and the money
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  • That comes with that.
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  • And they're launched with no sense of social responsibility
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  • As they capture our kids for hours at a time.
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  • So tonight, we brought in a guest who's an expert
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  • On this rising digital world and how to face it safely.
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  • He was a top executive at the new york stock exchange
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  • When the index fell, a record 22% in 1987.
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  • People were panicking.
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  • Rich dawns on him.
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  • Welcome to our show.
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  • Thank you for having me.
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  • I'm very pleased to be with you today.
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  • There's a lot to discuss.
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  • The tiktok deal,
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  • The good and the bad of ai,
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  • The growing number of what are called deep fakes.
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  • Let me. let's start with the tiktok deal.
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  • It's been a long time in the making, but the u.s.
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  • Investors have the majority share
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  • Now, and china has a minority stake.
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  • Listen to the president's reaction
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  • After he concluded the deal with china's leader.
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  • I had a great call with president xi
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  • And as you know, he approved the tiktok deal
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  • And we're in the process.
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  • We have some great investors, big as some of the biggest,
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  • In the world,
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  • American investors, great people.
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  • And we look forward to getting that deal closed.
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  • So i'm curious, can we now stop worrying about china
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  • Trying to control the minds of our children, that
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  • Now that the americans control the algorithm.
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  • A little bit?
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  • I think there's a really good first step forward, i think.
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  • But we always, always have to be
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  • Very conscious of what china is trying to do to our children.
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  • And our nation.
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  • They have not been,
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  • A good partner for many, many years.
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  • And, well, i think this is a great step
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  • Forward for the president, who have american control
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  • Of the technology and the algorithm and the data.
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  • There's still much more to do.
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  • Well, you came from the business world originally, and tiktok
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  • Has been vital to helping grow businesses, big and small.
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  • Do you expect this new tiktok ownership
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  • To provide the tools for better u.s.
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  • Business growth?
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  • I really do think so.
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  • Tiktok is a terrific
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  • Tool, particularly, attracting younger audiences.
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  • The president has said several times
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  • It helped him with the youth vote across america.
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  • And i think with americans now
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  • On the board and americans control the technology,
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  • I think this can grow into a vital force
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  • Like some of the other platforms that we're very familiar with,
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  • Like facebook and instagram and linkedin and others.
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  • But let's move to the deepfakes.
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  • Start by telling us what a deepfake is
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  • And how we can recognize one.
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  • Well, a deepfake is a fake, and it comes in three versions.
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  • It comes in audio,
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  • It comes in video, and it comes in photographs.
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  • This kind of started out a few years ago when it was,
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  • A picture of the pope in a puffy jacket that was a, a
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  • Photographic deepfake.
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  • But just a few weeks ago, you may recall that susie
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  • Wiles, the president's chief of staff,
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  • Had an audio deepfake where she was caught supposedly
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  • Calling, different executives and different senators.
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  • And it wasn't her voice.
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  • And a video deepfake is probably the most devastating,
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  • Where it's an actual video of what you think.
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  • Is somebody,
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  • Saying something, requesting something, doing something.
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  • This could have dramatic effects on financial markets.
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  • It can have dramatic effects upon reputation.
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  • It can have dramatic effects upon the company's morale.
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  • If the ceo or cfo or director
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  • Is seen, and what is considered a compromising position.
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  • These things happen very quickly today.
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  • They're driven by a.i..
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  • They have been a matter of minutes, not hours and days.
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  • And it's you have to really be trained to spot them.
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  • And and to see what's wrong and how you can address it
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  • Very, very quickly.
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  • Well, should we be concerned
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  • That deepfakes can try to steal my money
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  • Or be a problem for me or my family?
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  • Well, yeah, i think there.
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  • For individuals, deepfakes are important,
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  • But i think some of the more,
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  • Obvious things
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  • That we see coming across our email, for example,
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  • We should not be
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  • Clicking on things when we don't know the sender
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  • Or when the sender is coming from a suspicious,
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  • Url or an account.
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  • So we have to be mindful of our digital home today.
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  • We all live in a house or an apartment,
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  • And we do the things that are necessary to protect that.
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  • We have a burglar alarm.
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  • We have locks in our doors and windows.
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  • We have a dog who we may have a, a technical dog
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  • At the door that barks when someone approaches it.
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  • We may have leave lights on, from time to time to go
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  • On and off.
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  • We may even tell a neighbor or the local police
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  • When we're traveling.
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  • Those are all the things we do to protect our home.
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  • We need to do things today to protect our digital home.
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  • We should have our passwords.
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  • And i believe
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  • My personal view is you should have
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  • A different password for every, every, platform.
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  • And i know that's very hard for some people.
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  • I keep a book, of all my passwords for my company
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  • And for myself.
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  • I do not keep passwords on my computer.
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  • That's the most silly thing to do.
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  • So i know passwords needs to change, particularly for banks
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  • And financial institutions, about every six months.
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  • Some of the less obvious things are you have a password
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  • On your, entranceway for your wi-fi,
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  • Regardless of what company you use, that password
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  • Needs to be changed from time to time.
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  • Where possible, you
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  • Should put two passwords there because that protects your home,
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  • Your digital home from people coming in from the outside.
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  • I think that's such an important point.
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  • I want to take just a second with that.
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  • You know,
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  • Historically, i'm more familiar
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  • With having digital security
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  • In the workplace, you know, with firewalls
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  • And all the things that happen there.
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  • But i hear you saying it
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  • Is of paramount importance that now we take the time
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  • And effort to do digital security
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  • In our private lives, in our homes.
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  • You know, there's another dimension of this, too,
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  • If i may.
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  • We just had a situation a few months ago
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  • Where a major securities firm came to us because
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  • A ceo was being attacked.
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  • They knew where he was traveling and they knew where he was.
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  • His new car with his license plate number and his new home
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  • In the hamptons.
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  • And the security firm couldn't figure out
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  • Where all this information was coming from.
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  • So the head of the firm who i know called me.
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  • He said, rich, we're baffled by this.
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  • Could you have your team look at it?
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  • And we did.
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  • And we studied it for a couple of days.
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  • And what we found was that all the information
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  • Was coming from his wife and his teenage daughters
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  • On the internet, on facebook, on twitter, on instagram,
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  • Their new house, their new car, where they were
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  • Heading on vacation,
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  • Which created enormous security risk for him and his family.
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  • So it's not only the numbers that we have to be
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  • Careful about,
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  • But it's what we post on our someone very serious
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  • And we don't take them seriously enough.
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  • Various social media platforms.
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  • So it's going to take a heightened consciousness
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  • Of everybody in our orbits for us to stay safe.
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  • That's correct.
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  • Well, if we happen to come across
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  • A deepfake or something that we think is,
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  • What do we do with that?
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  • Well, first of all, they're not hard to fake.
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  • Not hard to, identify, but they're getting harder
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  • To identify.
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  • You'll see a mouth, not necessarily, on a video
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  • Matching the words.
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  • You may see a background which is off.
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  • You may see a face movement, which is off.
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  • Most people will not and come
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  • And encounter deep fakes in the next year.
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  • But most corporations, well, most business organizations
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  • Will.
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  • And i think this is one of the biggest threats
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  • Facing business organizations in the coming year
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  • That most of them are not aware of.
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  • It is a legal issue.
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  • It is an i.t issue.
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  • But these things happen in minutes and hours,
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  • Not days and weeks and months.
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  • So i.t and legal can address them.
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  • So defection are the biggest problem
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  • Yet for people individuals.
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  • But they are an enormous problem
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  • Coming at business organizations in the next 12 months.
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  • Rich, can you stay with us for another segment?
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  • Absolutely. good.
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  • Thank you.
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  • I'd like to discuss
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  • The potential and dangers of ai when we come back.
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  • And if those of you watching would like to jump in
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  • We're back now with rich zeno,
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  • The author of command the conversation how to engage,
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  • Influence, and inspire people in these days of ai.
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  • Well, i saw some disturbing and yet predictable online
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  • Postings in the wake of the shooting of charlie kirk,
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  • A simulator of assassinations
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  • That showed up on the children's gaming side, roblox.
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  • The company pulled it down when parents began to complain.
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  • But this is what our children are being fed every day.
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  • Are we solely dependent on the companies to police these sites?
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  • Well, first of all, that was disgusting
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  • At what happened, as well as some of the other commentary
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  • That we've seen on the internet these past days.
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  • But yeah, we are,
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  • We really have to have a set of ethics
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  • That and a set of standards, that, that companies follow.
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  • Unfortunately, the bigger companies
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  • Try to follow these things.
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  • The smaller companies are just trying to make a fast buck.
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  • And i think
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  • As anything with the internet or on screen or online,
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  • We have to be very mindful of what our children
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  • Are doing at all time and what content they're seeing.
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  • That doesn't change in a crisis, or in normal times.
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  • We have to be very mindful of that.
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  • And when these things do happen, we have to be loud
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  • And vigorous
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  • Against these companies and have them,
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  • Change their direction and pull these things down.
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  • Do you have some examples of where
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  • Ai is making life better for us,
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  • Or easier for those of us who aren't so tech savvy?
  • 00:10:33.363 --> 00:10:36.467
  • Well, there's there's a number of examples of better and worse,
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  • Some of the better examples.
  • 00:10:39.937 --> 00:10:41.305
  • Clearly, in the health care area,
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  • We're going to see surgeries more active.
  • 00:10:43.607 --> 00:10:46.009
  • We're going to see our various scans
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  • And x-rays read in a much more proficient way.
  • 00:10:48.712 --> 00:10:53.183
  • We're going to see our records and data,
  • 00:10:53.183 --> 00:10:56.120
  • Much, much more effective in our doctor's office
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  • And letting them interface with hospitals and many,
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  • Many more things in health care.
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  • In manufacturing,
  • 00:11:04.194 --> 00:11:05.362
  • We're seeing lowering the cost of manufacturing
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  • And more accurate manufacturing, better use of tools.
  • 00:11:08.465 --> 00:11:11.869
  • In our personal life,
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  • We're going to see better use of data,
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  • Particularly in the financial arena.
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  • We're going to see financial analysts using data
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  • And using market data and financial data to better
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  • Analyze companies and provide that analysis
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  • To institutions and individuals who invest in the market.
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  • Well,
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  • They say that i is going to replace working people,
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  • But i wonder if i will
  • 00:11:34.825 --> 00:11:35.893
  • Eventually create new jobs, especially for those
  • 00:11:35.893 --> 00:11:38.362
  • Who know how to integrate it into their work.
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  • What do you think?
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  • I think you're right on both counts, alan.
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  • There's no question that ai is a disruptor
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  • And it is going to disrupt a lot of jobs.
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  • So if you think your job is going to be disrupted,
  • 00:11:50.207 --> 00:11:52.810
  • What should you do?
  • 00:11:52.810 --> 00:11:53.777
  • And what you should do
  • 00:11:53.777 --> 00:11:54.978
  • Is look to it to an area where you can become an expert in ai
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  • And where there's a need for ai.
  • 00:11:58.515 --> 00:12:01.752
  • Analysis and ai.
  • 00:12:01.752 --> 00:12:03.320
  • People to look at all sorts of different things.
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  • As i just said,
  • 00:12:05.589 --> 00:12:06.790
  • In some of those industries as well as other industries.
  • 00:12:06.790 --> 00:12:09.893
  • But our lives, our jobs,
  • 00:12:09.893 --> 00:12:13.564
  • Our personal lives, our workplace, our families,
  • 00:12:13.564 --> 00:12:16.233
  • All of us
  • 00:12:16.233 --> 00:12:17.334
  • Are going to be
  • 00:12:17.334 --> 00:12:18.569
  • Dramatically affected with ai in the next couple of years,
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  • Much more than we can even imagine right now.
  • 00:12:21.572 --> 00:12:24.474
  • Well, you came out of the
  • 00:12:25.042 --> 00:12:26.310
  • Financial world as an executive at the new york stock exchange.
  • 00:12:26.310 --> 00:12:30.047
  • Where are the markets heading as president trump puts
  • 00:12:30.047 --> 00:12:32.683
  • More of his imprint on all sorts of financial issues?
  • 00:12:32.683 --> 00:12:35.953
  • Well, there's usually three things i don't comment on.
  • 00:12:35.953 --> 00:12:39.957
  • The best italian restaurant in new york, whether the yankees
  • 00:12:39.957 --> 00:12:43.727
  • Will be in the series or where the markets might or not go.
  • 00:12:43.727 --> 00:12:46.964
  • However, in saying that, let me say the following.
  • 00:12:46.964 --> 00:12:50.400
  • Never sell america short.
  • 00:12:50.400 --> 00:12:52.603
  • If you go back over the last 50 years, 25 years, ten years,
  • 00:12:52.603 --> 00:12:56.807
  • And you see the disruptions we've had in the markets
  • 00:12:56.807 --> 00:12:59.509
  • From the crash of 87 to the tech bubble
  • 00:12:59.509 --> 00:13:02.212
  • To what we saw at the beginning of this year.
  • 00:13:02.212 --> 00:13:04.314
  • Markets have always gone up.
  • 00:13:04.314 --> 00:13:06.383
  • So if you're a long term investor
  • 00:13:06.383 --> 00:13:08.685
  • And you're seeking professional advisors, you should.
  • 00:13:08.685 --> 00:13:11.655
  • I think you'll do very well,
  • 00:13:11.655 --> 00:13:13.457
  • Particularly as a young person right now.
  • 00:13:13.457 --> 00:13:15.726
  • I think you should invest in u.s.
  • 00:13:15.726 --> 00:13:17.327
  • Markets because they will be higher
  • 00:13:17.327 --> 00:13:19.229
  • And bolder than they have ever been when you reach my age.
  • 00:13:19.229 --> 00:13:23.166
  • But, you know, i'm in tennessee.
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  • I don't know much about italian
  • 00:13:24.835 --> 00:13:26.103
  • Restaurants in new york and the yankees.
  • 00:13:26.103 --> 00:13:28.038
  • I can read in the papers, but the giants are. oh and three.
  • 00:13:28.038 --> 00:13:30.974
  • Are you holding out any hope there? no.
  • 00:13:30.974 --> 00:13:34.344
  • Oh, they're doing much better.
  • 00:13:34.945 --> 00:13:36.947
  • But, but, you know, i'm more of a yankees fan, so,
  • 00:13:36.947 --> 00:13:40.684
  • I'll stick with that.
  • 00:13:41.184 --> 00:13:42.686
  • Well, what.
  • 00:13:42.686 --> 00:13:43.887
  • What? holding out hope they're going to be in this series.
  • 00:13:43.887 --> 00:13:45.255
  • No, i've got time. i think, for one quick question.
  • 00:13:45.255 --> 00:13:48.191
  • The debt, that $37 trillion that's sitting there,
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  • And i know that only represents a real portion of it.
  • 00:13:51.762 --> 00:13:54.998
  • How urgent is that?
  • 00:13:54.998 --> 00:13:56.266
  • And if you got any
  • 00:13:56.266 --> 00:13:57.334
  • Ideas on what they can do to help us with that.
  • 00:13:57.334 --> 00:14:00.737
  • Well, this is a huge problem for america.
  • 00:14:00.737 --> 00:14:03.707
  • It's not a
  • 00:14:03.707 --> 00:14:05.375
  • It's not a problem that's going to
  • 00:14:05.375 --> 00:14:06.543
  • Bring america down right now, but it has to be addressed,
  • 00:14:06.543 --> 00:14:10.347
  • In many different ways.
  • 00:14:10.847 --> 00:14:12.716
  • I think some of the tariffs that we're getting into,
  • 00:14:12.716 --> 00:14:15.652
  • The payments on the tariffs,
  • 00:14:15.652 --> 00:14:17.187
  • Some of that should go and get against the debt.
  • 00:14:17.187 --> 00:14:20.157
  • Just spending has to come down dramatically.
  • 00:14:20.157 --> 00:14:23.026
  • I know there's going to be a lot of yelling
  • 00:14:23.026 --> 00:14:24.294
  • And screaming about that, but you can't you know,
  • 00:14:24.294 --> 00:14:27.564
  • We all as people have a checkbook.
  • 00:14:27.564 --> 00:14:30.067
  • And when there's no money
  • 00:14:30.067 --> 00:14:31.268
  • In the checkbook, you can't write a check.
  • 00:14:31.268 --> 00:14:33.203
  • Unfortunately, the government has never function that way.
  • 00:14:33.203 --> 00:14:36.173
  • They just print more money.
  • 00:14:36.173 --> 00:14:38.041
  • And when they print more money, it creates inflation.
  • 00:14:38.041 --> 00:14:40.644
  • Chaos creates disruption through everything that we do.
  • 00:14:40.644 --> 00:14:43.447
  • So the debt is important.
  • 00:14:43.447 --> 00:14:45.082
  • I think, the president and, the secretary of the treasury
  • 00:14:45.082 --> 00:14:48.585
  • Are doing things to bring it down.
  • 00:14:48.585 --> 00:14:50.220
  • More has to be done, and it has to be done fairly quickly.
  • 00:14:50.220 --> 00:14:54.358
  • Otherwise we're going to have continuous problems on the debt.
  • 00:14:54.358 --> 00:14:56.693
  • We're going to have continuous problems,
  • 00:14:56.693 --> 00:14:58.628
  • And social security,
  • 00:14:58.628 --> 00:14:59.596
  • And we're going to have continuous problems
  • 00:14:59.596 --> 00:15:01.331
  • Throughout the nation.
  • 00:15:01.331 --> 00:15:02.232
  • But i believe in the next
  • 00:15:02.232 --> 00:15:03.700
  • Couple of years in the trump administration,
  • 00:15:03.700 --> 00:15:06.403
  • We're going to see some focus on that.
  • 00:15:06.403 --> 00:15:08.505
  • He has had to focus on some of the other issues
  • 00:15:08.505 --> 00:15:11.808
  • That were more urgent, like the border and crime and so forth.
  • 00:15:11.808 --> 00:15:15.145
  • But i think that the debt and and our economy is
  • 00:15:15.145 --> 00:15:18.115
  • It is a real part of the focus going forward.
  • 00:15:18.115 --> 00:15:21.118
  • Well, rich on oh, thank you for your time today.
  • 00:15:22.085 --> 00:15:24.588
  • Stay in touch so we can have you back on.
  • 00:15:24.588 --> 00:15:27.090
  • Thank you, alan, very much.
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  • Very good to be with you and good luck. thank you.
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  • Thank you. in a moment.
  • 00:15:30.060 --> 00:15:31.762
  • Signs of hope.
  • 00:15:31.762 --> 00:15:32.696
  • We can all see.
  • 00:15:32.696 --> 00:15:40.012
  • We can all see.
  • 00:15:40.012 --> 00:15:44.113
  • The digital world, with its emerging technologies
  • 00:15:45.081 --> 00:15:47.517
  • Like i can be daunting, even frightening.
  • 00:15:47.517 --> 00:15:50.586
  • Depending on the intent of the user,
  • 00:15:50.586 --> 00:15:52.188
  • It can be harnessed for good or for evil.
  • 00:15:52.188 --> 00:15:55.024
  • Yes, we should be concerned with the digital threats
  • 00:15:55.024 --> 00:15:57.326
  • Targeting our loved ones.
  • 00:15:57.326 --> 00:15:59.128
  • But i would suggest to you that a bigger threat
  • 00:15:59.128 --> 00:16:01.697
  • Is an attempt by evil forces to influence our minds
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  • And our hearts with a worldview that's contrary to george,
  • 00:16:04.700 --> 00:16:08.004
  • Judeo-christian values.
  • 00:16:08.004 --> 00:16:10.073
  • You know, we can't afford to retreat.
  • 00:16:10.073 --> 00:16:11.641
  • If we retreat, we make our children
  • 00:16:11.641 --> 00:16:13.176
  • And our grandchildren less safe.
  • 00:16:13.176 --> 00:16:15.278
  • We've got to be courageous enough
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  • To speak the truth that we know
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  • And to not be manipulated by fear.
  • 00:16:18.614 --> 00:16:21.451
  • You know,
  • 00:16:21.451 --> 00:16:22.385
  • I mean, people all the time who say to me,
  • 00:16:22.385 --> 00:16:23.419
  • They don't agree with me, you know,
  • 00:16:23.419 --> 00:16:25.154
  • They'll tell you to say to me, you know, they're agnostic.
  • 00:16:25.154 --> 00:16:27.857
  • Something like, you know, i don't believe the bible is
  • 00:16:27.857 --> 00:16:29.926
  • God's word, and i don't even believe there is a god.
  • 00:16:29.926 --> 00:16:32.161
  • And i think churches are frauds.
  • 00:16:32.161 --> 00:16:33.596
  • And you're a charlatan.
  • 00:16:33.596 --> 00:16:35.498
  • It's not an unusual conversation for me.
  • 00:16:35.498 --> 00:16:38.134
  • And i'll respond, well, you know. good.
  • 00:16:38.134 --> 00:16:39.502
  • I'm happy for your opinion. my name is alan.
  • 00:16:39.502 --> 00:16:42.238
  • We're entitled to have those opinions,
  • 00:16:42.238 --> 00:16:43.906
  • And that individual should be safe and expressing that.
  • 00:16:43.906 --> 00:16:47.210
  • Well, in the same way, we should be safe
  • 00:16:47.210 --> 00:16:49.378
  • In expressing that we believe that there is a god.
  • 00:16:49.378 --> 00:16:52.615
  • We shouldn't
  • 00:16:52.615 --> 00:16:53.015
  • Be surprised
  • 00:16:53.015 --> 00:16:54.083
  • That people don't like our worldview or intolerant,
  • 00:16:54.083 --> 00:16:56.853
  • But that shouldn't make us afraid.
  • 00:16:56.853 --> 00:16:58.921
  • It should make us more determined.
  • 00:16:58.921 --> 00:17:00.623
  • Not angry, not hateful, not belligerent,
  • 00:17:00.623 --> 00:17:03.126
  • And certainly not violent, but determined.
  • 00:17:03.126 --> 00:17:06.295
  • When people treat us unfairly.
  • 00:17:06.295 --> 00:17:08.297
  • Choose to forgive, choose to be kind.
  • 00:17:08.297 --> 00:17:11.534
  • Perhaps the most touching moment during charlie kirk's memorial
  • 00:17:11.534 --> 00:17:14.704
  • Was when charlie's wife,
  • 00:17:14.704 --> 00:17:16.005
  • Erica, was speaking of the man who murdered her husband.
  • 00:17:16.005 --> 00:17:19.375
  • She said, i forgive him
  • 00:17:19.375 --> 00:17:20.810
  • Because it was what christ did and is what charlie would do.
  • 00:17:20.810 --> 00:17:24.347
  • What a godly example that is for all of us,
  • 00:17:24.347 --> 00:17:26.949
  • Even in the midst of unimaginable pain.
  • 00:17:26.949 --> 00:17:28.951
  • She chose to respond with the love of christ.
  • 00:17:28.951 --> 00:17:31.387
  • She chose light over darkness.
  • 00:17:31.387 --> 00:17:33.890
  • Folks, we're not called to look
  • 00:17:33.890 --> 00:17:35.191
  • Sophisticated as christ followers.
  • 00:17:35.191 --> 00:17:37.126
  • We're called
  • 00:17:37.126 --> 00:17:38.027
  • To be salt and light for him every time
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  • We have an opportunity to do so.
  • 00:17:39.695 --> 00:17:41.764
  • If we'll do that, there's more reasons for hope than despair.
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  • I promise
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  • We'll be right back
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  • With your emails.
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  • With your emails.
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  • Thank you for spending a few minutes with us.
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  • Just a reminder,
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  • If you ever miss a live episode, you can go to aj now.com.
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  • There's a full archive there.
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  • It's easy to watch any program you want to do
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  • And even to share with the friend.
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  • And thank you for your emails.
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  • They're always a highlight.
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  • Jane from michigan wrote i've heard
  • 00:18:16.140 --> 00:18:18.742
  • You say that we need to go beyond the walls of the church.
  • 00:18:18.742 --> 00:18:21.812
  • I love this idea.
  • 00:18:21.812 --> 00:18:22.813
  • I used to think when i said
  • 00:18:22.813 --> 00:18:23.914
  • In churches, why are we in four walls?
  • 00:18:23.914 --> 00:18:26.283
  • Why don't we roll up one of the walls
  • 00:18:26.283 --> 00:18:27.651
  • So that the neighborhoods and the people walking by
  • 00:18:27.651 --> 00:18:29.753
  • Can hear the singing and the message?
  • 00:18:29.753 --> 00:18:31.755
  • I appreciate your calm christian political viewpoints.
  • 00:18:31.755 --> 00:18:35.492
  • Well, thank you, jim.
  • 00:18:35.492 --> 00:18:36.493
  • I try to keep
  • 00:18:36.493 --> 00:18:37.561
  • The politics out of it and talk about our culture.
  • 00:18:37.561 --> 00:18:40.231
  • Not so much about parties or candidates,
  • 00:18:40.231 --> 00:18:42.266
  • But i believe
  • 00:18:42.266 --> 00:18:43.400
  • We have to use our voices as christians and churches
  • 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:46.537
  • To talk about what's happening in our culture.
  • 00:18:46.537 --> 00:18:49.740
  • And speaking of rolling up the walls
  • 00:18:49.740 --> 00:18:51.342
  • Every spring and every fall here
  • 00:18:51.342 --> 00:18:53.143
  • In murfreesboro, we take church outside.
  • 00:18:53.143 --> 00:18:55.312
  • We put up an outside stage, we do concerts.
  • 00:18:55.312 --> 00:18:58.015
  • We have church outdoors with food trucks and activities
  • 00:18:58.015 --> 00:19:01.118
  • For children.
  • 00:19:01.118 --> 00:19:02.253
  • The neighbors can hear,
  • 00:19:02.253 --> 00:19:03.754
  • Some of them are happy and some not so much.
  • 00:19:03.754 --> 00:19:07.057
  • But we're going back outside in a couple of weeks,
  • 00:19:07.057 --> 00:19:09.927
  • Dixie from texas wrote in.
  • 00:19:10.494 --> 00:19:12.162
  • She said pastor allen, i've been shocked at news
  • 00:19:12.162 --> 00:19:14.365
  • Reports from people, teachers and politicians
  • 00:19:14.365 --> 00:19:17.368
  • Celebrating the death of charlie kirk.
  • 00:19:17.368 --> 00:19:19.870
  • Some teachers in
  • 00:19:19.870 --> 00:19:20.838
  • Some states have been fired or put on leave
  • 00:19:20.838 --> 00:19:22.406
  • For their comments on social media.
  • 00:19:22.406 --> 00:19:24.708
  • Then they claim their first amendment
  • 00:19:24.708 --> 00:19:26.010
  • Rights from the constitution.
  • 00:19:26.010 --> 00:19:27.611
  • They seem to forget these were charlie
  • 00:19:27.611 --> 00:19:29.280
  • Kirk's rights as well as all american citizens.
  • 00:19:29.280 --> 00:19:33.083
  • Dixie, i have been surprised right along with you.
  • 00:19:33.083 --> 00:19:37.054
  • It has been unfortunate.
  • 00:19:37.054 --> 00:19:38.956
  • The attitude that has been taken by many people in celebrating
  • 00:19:38.956 --> 00:19:43.027
  • Charlie's death is assassination.
  • 00:19:43.027 --> 00:19:46.764
  • The loss of a life of someone in that way is horrific.
  • 00:19:46.764 --> 00:19:50.100
  • We should be praying for that family,
  • 00:19:50.100 --> 00:19:51.835
  • Praying for turning point usa, and praying for our nation.
  • 00:19:51.835 --> 00:19:54.838
  • We've got to be able to have a conversation
  • 00:19:54.838 --> 00:19:56.540
  • With one another, even if we don't always agree
  • 00:19:56.540 --> 00:19:58.475
  • On the topic or the scene,
  • 00:19:58.475 --> 00:20:00.544
  • We've got to have the right to have the conversation.
  • 00:20:00.544 --> 00:20:02.846
  • We can't surrender that. we shou
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  • David a from washington wrote am i wrong?
  • 00:20:06.684 --> 00:20:09.820
  • Daily, i pray what a i pray before i sleep,
  • 00:20:09.820 --> 00:20:12.790
  • I give blessings before every meal.
  • 00:20:12.790 --> 00:20:14.425
  • I diligently read the bible.
  • 00:20:14.425 --> 00:20:16.327
  • I watch numerous tbn broadcast, but i don't attend any church
  • 00:20:16.327 --> 00:20:19.963
  • Services or assemble with religious organizations.
  • 00:20:19.963 --> 00:20:23.133
  • My deep religious feelings are private, am i wrong?
  • 00:20:23.133 --> 00:20:26.937
  • Well, david, in a word, yes, jesus ministry was public.
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  • He came to minister to people.
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  • He didn't come on a secret mission to die on the cross.
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  • The bible tells us not to forsake
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  • The assembling together of one another.
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  • I think we need community,
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  • Not so much a church, but we need a community
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  • Of like minded believers in order to finish the race.
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  • Thank you for spending a few minutes with me today.
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  • I'm alan jackson and i pray you have a wonderful evening.
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