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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Digital Bias | Allen Jackson Now | April 16, 2026
- Well, good evening and welcome to nashville.
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- I'm alan jackson.
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- I'm going to begin with what may be
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- A stunning revelation to a lot of people.
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- Almost everyone in the country is already using ai,
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- Whether they realize it or not.
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- You heard me correctly.
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- A.i. is up and running, and whether you subscribe.
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- Ai is influencing
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- More and more of what we do and what we learn.
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- Now it can be a very useful resource,
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- But it's not quite as objective
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- Or purely factual as you might think.
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- Here's some context.
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- Think of the time pre-internet.
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- We used to go to the library
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- To do research, and when everything we read,
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- Whether it was
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- Into the encyclopedia britannica
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- Or we pulled from the library of congress,
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- Would have been written
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- By someone who may or may not have had an agenda.
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- But that wasn't even something we thought about.
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- Well, the same thing is true when we research using google,
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- Bing, or yahoo, because all that material
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- Was also written at some point by someone we don't even know.
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- You see where i'm heading?
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- I might stand for artificial intelligence,
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- But it's only called artificial because it's built by merging
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- What's already been researched,
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- And it's no more intelligent than what
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- It's previously been discovered.
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- The person who decides what goes into ai processors
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- Now have control over
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- What comes out of the ai request,
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- And that's not the person who did the original fact finding.
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- That's why we all need to read the warning labels on ai.
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- The small print, you know, the small print that says,
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- Hey, ai generated content may be inaccurate or misleading,
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- Or the content is for informational purposes
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- And does not constitute medical, legal or financial advice.
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- In other words, use at your own risk.
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- It's an impressive tool, but it's also a product
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- That very few companies and countries have control over.
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- And those who win, well,
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- They started to make a fortune on it.
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- So common sense tells me that we all will be much better off,
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- And we understand who's behind it and what they're up to.
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- You know, i've said many times
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- That there are waves of deception
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- That are just crashing over our lives in this season,
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- And the confusion i see regarding our president,
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- Even in the body of christ right now, is staggering to me.
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- You know,
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- I have to say that while it makes me uncomfortable
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- Sometimes to watch some of the interactions
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- With the president and his adversaries,
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- Or maybe some of the language used in his social media post,
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- The response from christians.
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- Well, that's been just as confounding to me.
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- It's as if there are people who seem more excited
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- About finding something to criticize the president
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- About than seeing our country succeed.
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- You know, instead of acknowledging progress,
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- They sit back and they wait for the next supposed
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- Misstep by the president, whether it's real or imagined,
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- The selective outrage or it seems to me to be
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- Just patently absurd.
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- This is the same group that went silent when,
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- During the last administration, president biden issued
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- A proclamation declaring march 31st, 2024
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- As transgender day of visibility.
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- For those of us
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- Who abide by a biblical worldview,
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- That should have prompted outrage,
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- But it's much worse than that.
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- March 31st, 2024.
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- That was also easter sunday.
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- Yet i didn't hear an uproar coming from the church
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- On that day and that announcement.
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- Well, because trump is loud
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- And he doesn't carry himself like a church elder,
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- We're offended at him.
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- Yeah, joe biden was incompetent.
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- Every day he was in the white house.
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- There was no outrage around that.
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- They told us that we had to be
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- Kind, understanding and compassionate.
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- And now more is coming out about what
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- Took place during the biden administration.
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- A new justice department report is raising serious allegations
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- That the federal government, during the biden era, targeted
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- A specific group of americans, pro-life americans.
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- We're talking about families, people
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- Attending pro-life events.
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- And according to this report, federal authorities
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- Were gathering personal data on them,
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- Not just on individuals, but on their spouses,
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- Even their children.
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- Documents discovered, including christian pro-lifers
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- Being referred to by federal prosecutors as culty.
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- The biden era prosecutors even wrote how upset they were
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- That a catholic magistrate judge had taken up one of the cases.
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- The biden doj also sought longer prison sentences
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- Against pro-lifers, who were charged
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- With gathering outside abortion clinics under the face act.
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- Many of them were simply praying and protesting peacefully.
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- On average, biden prosecutors sought over 26 months in prison
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- For pro-life defendants,
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- Compared with only 12 months on average for unruly
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- Pro-abortion defendants.
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- President trump, on his third day in office, signed pardons
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- For 23 pro-lifers convicted of face act violations
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- Under the prior administration,
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- Many of whom he said were elderly
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- And should not have been prosecuted.
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- Here's another example the biden era cia intelligence
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- Assessment was recently released to the public,
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- And the report identified, and i quote, racially
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- And ethnically motivated, violent extremist.
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- Well, who are these extremists targeted in the report?
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- They were women who applauded.
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- And i quote again, motherhood and homemaking
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- As their most important responsibility.
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- The news about the reference to motherhood and homemaking.
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- Well, it comes three years
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- After the biden era fbi faced criticism
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- For circulating a memo labeling radical, traditional catholics
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- And putting them in the same category.
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- As, i quote
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- Racially and ethnically motivated domestic extremist.
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- Well, i would
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- Suggest the church needs perhaps to wake up.
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- We must become more astute consumers of information.
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- We have to shine, but to stand for the truth, to search for it,
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- Because the solution to society's ills.
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- It's not political, folks.
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- It's spiritual.
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- If we have a faith that is only historical,
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- We have a theoretical faith,
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- And we won't flourish in this current season.
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- We must have a faith that is living and vital,
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- A faith that requires
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- Situational awareness of the world we're living in.
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- And among all the chaos and confusion of a busy news cycle,
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- And with the media framing the mainstream
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- Narrative on what we as viewers should focus on.
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- I think it's important that we take a step back
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- And appreciate the season we're in
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- And even the opportunities that are ahead
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- With all that.
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- Let me say that it's an exciting time,
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- But one we need to be ready for.
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- Not everyone behind.
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- I has your best intentions in mind.
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- In a moment, we'll be joined by wynton hall.
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- He's a distinguished fellow
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- At the government accountability institute,
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- And he's the author of a new book
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- That explains what to watch out for.
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- It's called code red
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- The left, the right, china and the race to control ai.
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- I'll be right back.
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- I'll be right back.
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- Welcome back.
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- And get ready for some insights.
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- They're going to open your eyes to the hope
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- And the threat of artificial intelligence.
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- Joining me tonight, the distinguished fellow
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- At the government accountability institute, winton hall.
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- Thanks for coming on with us today.
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- It's great to be with you, pastor.
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- Thanks for having me.
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- You spent more than two years investigating ai,
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- And i want to jump right in with something you said about it.
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- And i quote, big tech is quietly hardcoding left wing ideology
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- Into the algorithms that now govern daily life.
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- We'll get into the specifics, but please start right
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- There, giving us an overview of what you found.
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- Yeah, one of the most
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- Shocking revelations is when you do a deep dive
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- Into even peer reviewed academic literature
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- That generally leans left,
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- You find that
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- There is a consensus that large language models, lms
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- Or ai chat bots have a demonstrable left leaning
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- Bias politically, and so it's not a random occurrence.
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- This is something that is baked in.
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- And the reason why is because of the training data.
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- It is training from things
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- Like reddit, wikipedia, the left leaning academic sources.
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- And so you have this system that's got the bias baked
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- In, unfortunately.
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- Well, peter schweitzer is the guy president.
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- He says that your research shows both a promising
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- And a terrifying new world that we're heading into.
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- One of the things you report is the massive delta
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- Between the small number of people
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- Who know how to
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- Build the ai versus the size of the global population,
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- About 150,000 people know what's in the black box of ai,
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- And they can influence 8 billion people.
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- That's disturbing,
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- Especially if they don't have our best interest in mind.
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- In my reading that correctly,
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- You absolutely are.
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- And it is disturbing, particularly
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- When you really listen to what
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- Their ideology many of these folks do not share our values.
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- They have a very different vision of what they want
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- Technology to do, in many cases to transcend humans
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- And to reach what they call transhumanism
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- And the singularity, which is this idea of the fusion
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- And merging of machine and human.
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- And they also think that they can ascend, play god
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- In many ways, both in terms of the dominance
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- Of what information flows out there,
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- What people are having access to,
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- And their ability to control
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- And censor information that they do not find, agreeable.
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- So there is a lot of power
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- And very few hands, and that always is reason for alarm.
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- Well, the initial
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- Ai horror stories have been about jobs being replaced.
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- Some of the comments by elon musk are fueling those fears.
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- Listen to what he said.
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- The rate at which ai is progressing,
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- I think
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- Where we might have an ai
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- That is smarter than any human by the end of this year.
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- And i would say no later than next year.
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- Well,
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- And then probably by 2030
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- Or 20, 31, four, five years from now,
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- I will be sworn in then,
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- All of humanity collectively.
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- You know, he also said that machines
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- Might outnumber humans by the year 2040.
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- Does that seem possible to you?
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- It does.
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- And what i really want people to understand
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- Is that we often hear people say ai is just a tool.
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- It is a tool.
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- But it's not just a tool. it's political power.
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- And it's going to reshape an already
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- Starting to every policy
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- Dimension, every part of the policy matrix
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- That we have seen and known and talked about for decades.
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- And so it's going to be
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- Increasingly the ability to erase jobs or create them,
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- Or to indoctrinate or educate.
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- And as we're seeing right now in iran,
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- And we saw with the maduro raid in venezuela,
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- It is will increasingly affect ai warfare on the battlefield
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- To determine who comes home and who doesn't.
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- And so when you hear elon and other leaders
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- Talking about this, what we have to realize
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- Is that there are many, many ideological driven forces
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- Within silicon valley, extremely well-funded,
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- Who have for years been talking about using ai
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- As a way to reset
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- Our economic order to a post labor post-capitalist society
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- Through universal basic income, wealth redistribution,
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- Mailbox money, so to speak.
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- Socialism.
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- And so there are a lot of competing agendas here.
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- And so we've really got to make sure
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- That we get caught up to speed very quickly
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- To understand this new chessboard.
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- Well, you mentioned the military.
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- Does that also mean
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- That robots might replace the men
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- And women of our military, and also the armed
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- Forces of countries that don't want the us in the lead?
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- Yeah.
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- So, humanoid robotics in the battlefield
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- Is definitely on the table and is in development
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- And will be autonomous warfare and autonomous weapons
- 00:11:33.385 --> 00:11:36.688
- Have been with us for a while,
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- But full autonomy, literally
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- Having the ability through facial recognition
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- To be able to take out targets without human
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- Override or intervention that will be a new development.
- 00:11:44.429 --> 00:11:47.966
- And i have a whole discussion of that in the book
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- Where really looking at what what
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- Who should be in charge of that kill chain
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- And who should have that ultimate authority
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- And the moral and the moral weight
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- Of taking life on the battlefield.
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- And so when you hear iwan talk about that, it's very clear,
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- And we see what china is doing.
- 00:12:04.950 --> 00:12:06.451
- China is moving ahead in that direction already.
- 00:12:06.451 --> 00:12:09.588
- Let's let's turn
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- The conversation to maybe a friendlier part of ai.
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- I've read some reports that it's going
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- To change our health care, maybe even replace our doctors.
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- You know, how is i going to impact
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- Just the average person
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- And how we interact with the health care community?
- 00:12:21.834 --> 00:12:24.703
- Yeah, pastor. there, there.
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- I'm a little more hopeful that once
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- We have fully guardrails of, you know, fully,
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- Coached up high in health care, we're going to be
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- A little better off
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- To be able to have that, easy access to information.
- 00:12:36.181 --> 00:12:39.017
- The question, of course, is
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- Are you looking at accurate information?
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- And the problem with hallucinations,
- 00:12:42.321 --> 00:12:44.356
- As they're called in ai,
- 00:12:44.356 --> 00:12:45.824
- Wrongful or incorrect information persist.
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- Those numbers are coming down, which is a good thing.
- 00:12:48.894 --> 00:12:51.330
- But we want to make sure that the information is accurate.
- 00:12:51.330 --> 00:12:53.999
- Just like right now when people go online to google
- 00:12:53.999 --> 00:12:56.668
- And they find information
- 00:12:56.668 --> 00:12:57.970
- That may or may not pertain to their particular health needs,
- 00:12:57.970 --> 00:13:01.506
- I am more hopeful in the medical direction about long term.
- 00:13:01.506 --> 00:13:05.611
- And the reason why is the thing that i excels in is
- 00:13:05.611 --> 00:13:08.914
- Mass pattern recognition, finding points of connection,
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- And that can be extremely helpful
- 00:13:12.150 --> 00:13:13.652
- In the sciences for finding two points
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- That the human mind just couldn't
- 00:13:16.021 --> 00:13:17.456
- Ingest trillions of data points to locate.
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- So there is an upside there.
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- I think
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- As long as the insurance companies
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- Aren't the one programing the,
- 00:13:23.795 --> 00:13:26.698
- Yeah.
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- Well, no, i mean, in real truth, and that's part of
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- It is who controls the ai is going to determine so much.
- 00:13:30.535 --> 00:13:34.139
- It really is like fire, right?
- 00:13:34.139 --> 00:13:35.841
- We can use it to warm a meal for a hungry person, or to warm
- 00:13:35.841 --> 00:13:39.111
- Somebody from the cold or to incinerate a village.
- 00:13:39.111 --> 00:13:42.447
- And it's going to require the ethics
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- Of each individual practitioner to decide the outcome.
- 00:13:44.850 --> 00:13:48.787
- Well, the commercial battle to build the best ai's
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- Between the us and china seems to be going full tilt.
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- Do you think that the politicians
- 00:13:54.059 --> 00:13:55.360
- On both sides of the aisle see this threat the same way,
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- And can work together to beat china
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- Before it's too late for us?
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- Yeah, i'm actually encouraged about an increasing
- 00:14:02.134 --> 00:14:05.404
- Bipartisan understanding about why we have to beat china.
- 00:14:05.404 --> 00:14:08.307
- And let me just say, i say in the book,
- 00:14:08.307 --> 00:14:10.108
- We have to beat china without becoming china.
- 00:14:10.108 --> 00:14:12.444
- Nobody wants to live in a ccp techno
- 00:14:12.444 --> 00:14:15.247
- Authoritarian surveillance state.
- 00:14:15.247 --> 00:14:16.949
- We do not want to
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- Emulate the values of the ccp and the communist regime.
- 00:14:18.150 --> 00:14:21.586
- At the same time, we realize why we have to beat china.
- 00:14:21.586 --> 00:14:24.356
- And it's two reasons. one is the economics, right?
- 00:14:24.356 --> 00:14:26.692
- One third of the s&p 500
- 00:14:26.692 --> 00:14:28.593
- Is made up of the magnificent seven or biggest seven
- 00:14:28.593 --> 00:14:31.797
- Ai related, tech companies in america.
- 00:14:31.797 --> 00:14:34.866
- And so it's a tent pole for our economy.
- 00:14:34.866 --> 00:14:36.969
- On the other hand, we know that the real reason
- 00:14:36.969 --> 00:14:39.504
- Beyond money is because the lives.
- 00:14:39.504 --> 00:14:41.606
- And so whoever gets battlefield supremacy in
- 00:14:41.606 --> 00:14:44.609
- Ai is going to have full spectrum dominance
- 00:14:44.609 --> 00:14:46.979
- And things like cyber security, hacking of missile systems,
- 00:14:46.979 --> 00:14:50.916
- Hacking of infrastructure, and in the rest.
- 00:14:50.916 --> 00:14:53.752
- And so we do have to beat china.
- 00:14:53.752 --> 00:14:55.654
- And i actually have been encouraged.
- 00:14:55.654 --> 00:14:58.023
- The more you see senators and members of congress
- 00:14:58.023 --> 00:15:00.525
- Who are really briefed by people who understand this, they are,
- 00:15:00.525 --> 00:15:04.196
- Increasingly of that position.
- 00:15:04.196 --> 00:15:05.964
- Well, when can you stay for another segment?
- 00:15:06.865 --> 00:15:09.601
- I'd be honored to thank you.
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- We're going to take a short break, but we'll be right back.
- 00:15:10.802 --> 00:15:18.005
- We're going to take a short break, but we'll be right back.
- 00:15:18.005 --> 00:15:23.081
- We're back now
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- With the distinguished fellow at guy winton hall.
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- In your book, you report that i will test your faith,
- 00:15:27.853 --> 00:15:31.056
- And there are
- 00:15:31.056 --> 00:15:32.257
- Historic opportunities emerging, including the human hunger
- 00:15:32.257 --> 00:15:34.693
- For truth, salvation, hope, and even eternal purpose.
- 00:15:34.693 --> 00:15:38.597
- But the technologies leading us into single issue silos,
- 00:15:38.597 --> 00:15:42.134
- So that if you don't engage in life on a very human level,
- 00:15:42.134 --> 00:15:45.070
- You risk falling into what you've called a doom loop.
- 00:15:45.070 --> 00:15:48.040
- Can you explain that?
- 00:15:48.040 --> 00:15:50.175
- Yeah, pastor, one of the things i'm very concerned
- 00:15:50.175 --> 00:15:52.411
- About is what i call a coming crisis of meaning.
- 00:15:52.411 --> 00:15:55.547
- As we see people get siloed into these digital, isolated,
- 00:15:55.547 --> 00:15:59.518
- Relationships with ai.
- 00:15:59.985 --> 00:16:01.520
- We're seeing ai companions, so-called ai girlfriends,
- 00:16:01.520 --> 00:16:05.157
- Young people who came through
- 00:16:05.157 --> 00:16:06.525
- Covid, who were socially isolated,
- 00:16:06.525 --> 00:16:09.261
- That that seems very normal for them
- 00:16:09.261 --> 00:16:11.063
- To be able to interact with a screen,
- 00:16:11.063 --> 00:16:13.131
- And they lose that human
- 00:16:13.131 --> 00:16:14.399
- Connection and that ability to have meaningful interaction.
- 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.903
- Spiritually or otherwise.
- 00:16:18.470 --> 00:16:19.871
- And so the first thing that
- 00:16:19.871 --> 00:16:21.273
- I talk about in that is the coming crisis
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- Of meaning with human relationships.
- 00:16:23.708 --> 00:16:26.044
- The second is the issue of jobs, because if any of these
- 00:16:26.044 --> 00:16:29.948
- Job displacement,
- 00:16:29.948 --> 00:16:31.249
- Doom apocalypse predictions that the ai architects predict,
- 00:16:31.249 --> 00:16:35.454
- We really are going to see people
- 00:16:35.454 --> 00:16:36.988
- Who are going to lose a sense of identity.
- 00:16:36.988 --> 00:16:38.924
- So much of our work
- 00:16:38.924 --> 00:16:40.392
- And the protestant work ethic
- 00:16:40.392 --> 00:16:41.626
- And the way that we think of ourselves is tied to work.
- 00:16:41.626 --> 00:16:43.895
- And we know that particularly men,
- 00:16:43.895 --> 00:16:45.697
- When they are out unable to feed their family or provide,
- 00:16:45.697 --> 00:16:49.968
- They often will slip into social pathologies.
- 00:16:49.968 --> 00:16:52.871
- And so i'm concerned about that.
- 00:16:52.871 --> 00:16:54.673
- The real opportunity, i think,
- 00:16:54.673 --> 00:16:56.675
- And i really hope people hear it,
- 00:16:56.675 --> 00:16:58.477
- Is that i think that those very negative
- 00:16:58.477 --> 00:17:02.147
- Externalities can create an enormous
- 00:17:02.147 --> 00:17:04.416
- Opportunity for the church and for fellowship
- 00:17:04.416 --> 00:17:07.519
- And for community, and reaching out
- 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:09.821
- And building human to human connection with each other,
- 00:17:09.821 --> 00:17:13.458
- In a church, in a church group and the rest of it.
- 00:17:13.458 --> 00:17:15.827
- And i think that's
- 00:17:15.827 --> 00:17:17.062
- Going to be such an opportunity, a revival style opportunity.
- 00:17:17.062 --> 00:17:20.232
- The final thing is, i think we really need
- 00:17:20.232 --> 00:17:22.134
- To understand the mindset of many of those architects in ai,
- 00:17:22.134 --> 00:17:26.605
- Not all of them. there are people of faith.
- 00:17:26.605 --> 00:17:28.507
- One of the things spending two years
- 00:17:28.507 --> 00:17:29.975
- In this world and deep diving, i was really encouraged.
- 00:17:29.975 --> 00:17:32.978
- There are
- 00:17:32.978 --> 00:17:34.146
- Actually a lot of people who are god fearing christians,
- 00:17:34.146 --> 00:17:37.349
- But there are a lot of people who want to replace faith,
- 00:17:37.349 --> 00:17:41.620
- And they believe that a superintelligence can do that.
- 00:17:41.620 --> 00:17:45.123
- And so i'm reminded of,
- 00:17:45.123 --> 00:17:47.025
- Romans 122, you know, claiming to be wise.
- 00:17:47.025 --> 00:17:50.562
- They became fools, right?
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- And they exchanged the glory of the immortal god,
- 00:17:52.030 --> 00:17:55.367
- For images resembling mortal man.
- 00:17:55.367 --> 00:17:58.036
- And that came to mind, and i actually put that
- 00:17:58.036 --> 00:18:00.138
- As a header on, on the final chapter,
- 00:18:00.138 --> 00:18:02.274
- Because i think we have to keep that in mind.
- 00:18:02.274 --> 00:18:04.209
- Well, i was particularly intrigued.
- 00:18:05.010 --> 00:18:06.378
- You have advice in your book about how
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- To protect our children from getting brainwashed by ai.
- 00:18:07.646 --> 00:18:10.815
- Can you give us
- 00:18:10.815 --> 00:18:11.750
- What's an example of what's been going on
- 00:18:11.750 --> 00:18:13.218
- That parents may not even be aware of?
- 00:18:13.218 --> 00:18:15.787
- Yes, sir.
- 00:18:15.787 --> 00:18:16.454
- It's so important.
- 00:18:16.454 --> 00:18:17.289
- Three things that we've got to
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- Do for our kids and our grandkids.
- 00:18:18.423 --> 00:18:20.325
- Number one, understand the bias.
- 00:18:20.325 --> 00:18:22.427
- It is absolutely left leaning bias in all major limbs.
- 00:18:22.427 --> 00:18:26.665
- This is not a it's not an opinion.
- 00:18:26.665 --> 00:18:28.800
- It is a proven fact.
- 00:18:28.800 --> 00:18:30.068
- So you've got to be able to help them
- 00:18:30.068 --> 00:18:31.703
- To understand that the information they're getting
- 00:18:31.703 --> 00:18:33.772
- Is not going to always be, neutral.
- 00:18:33.772 --> 00:18:36.474
- Number two,
- 00:18:36.474 --> 00:18:37.509
- I think they have to understand that ai tutors
- 00:18:37.509 --> 00:18:40.145
- Could be very helpful in things like calculus or, algebra.
- 00:18:40.145 --> 00:18:43.648
- Right, helping to shore up your deficiencies.
- 00:18:43.648 --> 00:18:45.884
- But it will encourage the erosion of critical thinking
- 00:18:45.884 --> 00:18:49.154
- Skills through what's known as cognitive offloading.
- 00:18:49.154 --> 00:18:51.389
- In other words, just using the ai as a crutch.
- 00:18:51.389 --> 00:18:53.992
- And so we can't let our erosion
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- Of those critical thinking skills occur.
- 00:18:55.961 --> 00:18:57.862
- And then the final thing
- 00:18:57.862 --> 00:18:58.930
- We've got to guard our children's hearts and minds
- 00:18:58.930 --> 00:19:01.233
- Is as it relates to these so-called ai companions,
- 00:19:01.233 --> 00:19:04.903
- I girlfriends, ai boyfriends, this sounds strange
- 00:19:04.903 --> 00:19:08.206
- To most of us who came up,
- 00:19:08.206 --> 00:19:10.075
- And had to go through those years
- 00:19:10.075 --> 00:19:11.876
- Of learning, courtship and the rest.
- 00:19:11.876 --> 00:19:13.712
- But this generation is very different right now.
- 00:19:13.712 --> 00:19:15.947
- There are millions of subscribers to these types of,
- 00:19:15.947 --> 00:19:20.185
- Ai. and the problem with it, of course, is it has a lot
- 00:19:20.185 --> 00:19:23.388
- Of inappropriate content,
- 00:19:23.388 --> 00:19:24.923
- A lot of dark content in some cases,
- 00:19:24.923 --> 00:19:28.026
- Suicidal coaching by the ai to teenagers, in cases
- 00:19:28.026 --> 00:19:31.696
- Of which i document in code red,
- 00:19:31.696 --> 00:19:33.898
- People taking young people taking their lives
- 00:19:33.898 --> 00:19:36.501
- As a result of it.
- 00:19:36.501 --> 00:19:37.669
- So, we want to know this world so that we can be prepared
- 00:19:37.669 --> 00:19:41.306
- To seize the upside and avert those landmines.
- 00:19:41.306 --> 00:19:43.675
- Well, winton hall, thank you for your solid work on this book.
- 00:19:44.876 --> 00:19:47.746
- It is really a good invitation into the conversation.
- 00:19:47.746 --> 00:19:51.349
- Thank you for having me.
- 00:19:51.883 --> 00:19:52.817
- And thank you for shining a light on.
- 00:19:52.817 --> 00:19:55.287
- Well, if you want to order the book
- 00:19:55.287 --> 00:19:56.521
- For yourself, it's called code red.
- 00:19:56.521 --> 00:19:58.390
- The left, the right, china and the race to controlled.
- 00:19:58.390 --> 00:20:01.626
- We'll have winton back to help us catch up
- 00:20:02.494 --> 00:20:04.429
- With what's happening in the near future.
- 00:20:04.429 --> 00:20:12.001
- With what's happening in the near future.
- 00:20:12.001 --> 00:20:16.574
- Thank you for taking the time
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- To share your thoughts and your questions. your emails.
- 00:20:18.576 --> 00:20:20.745
- They're always a highlight, cindy emailed.
- 00:20:20.745 --> 00:20:23.848
- I accepted jesus and was baptized at the age of 11.
- 00:20:23.848 --> 00:20:26.951
- I'm now 68.
- 00:20:26.951 --> 00:20:28.753
- I believe jesus died
- 00:20:28.753 --> 00:20:29.988
- On the cross for all sinners and he rose again in three days.
- 00:20:29.988 --> 00:20:33.024
- However, sometimes i think things
- 00:20:33.024 --> 00:20:34.826
- I hear make me question my salvation.
- 00:20:34.826 --> 00:20:37.796
- How can i be sure?
- 00:20:37.796 --> 00:20:39.898
- Well, cindy, there's one more component
- 00:20:39.898 --> 00:20:41.466
- I would add to your equation of faith.
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- What you believe about
- 00:20:43.335 --> 00:20:44.502
- Jesus is important who he is and what he accomplished.
- 00:20:44.502 --> 00:20:47.505
- But you've got to be sure
- 00:20:47.505 --> 00:20:48.740
- You've extended the invitation for him to be lord of your life
- 00:20:48.740 --> 00:20:52.110
- So you can believe the facts
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- Without giving him that position in your life.
- 00:20:53.311 --> 00:20:55.013
- If you take that simple step of faith,
- 00:20:55.013 --> 00:20:57.315
- I think it's a matter of living that out.
- 00:20:57.315 --> 00:20:59.451
- We grow up in our faith and don't ever forget
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- We have an adversary
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- Who puts all sorts of questions in our hearts, in our minds,
- 00:21:02.887 --> 00:21:05.657
- To cause us to question
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- The reality of our faith, the reality of god,
- 00:21:06.791 --> 00:21:09.761
- The scripture in general, ignore the adversary.
- 00:21:09.761 --> 00:21:12.897
- He's a liar.
- 00:21:12.897 --> 00:21:15.266
- And then
- 00:21:15.533 --> 00:21:16.668
- From in the netherlands, we got somebody over the pond.
- 00:21:16.668 --> 00:21:18.670
- Aj wrote how do you think it's possible
- 00:21:18.670 --> 00:21:20.772
- That even christians over here in the netherlands think
- 00:21:20.772 --> 00:21:23.842
- That president trump is some sort of a lunatic
- 00:21:23.842 --> 00:21:26.845
- And a danger for the world?
- 00:21:26.845 --> 00:21:30.215
- Well, i think there's a lot of voices
- 00:21:30.215 --> 00:21:31.649
- In the usa and in europe and beyond
- 00:21:31.649 --> 00:21:34.819
- That are pounding that narrative on a regular basis.
- 00:21:34.819 --> 00:21:38.857
- I'm not surprised
- 00:21:38.857 --> 00:21:39.924
- That europe's not excited about a stronger usa,
- 00:21:39.924 --> 00:21:43.261
- But i wouldn't listen to
- 00:21:43.261 --> 00:21:44.162
- Most of the pundits and the talking heads.
- 00:21:44.162 --> 00:21:46.498
- You're wise enough to discern the truth from the false.
- 00:21:46.498 --> 00:21:49.734
- Open your bibles, open your heart.
- 00:21:49.734 --> 00:21:51.736
- I believe god to lead you through.
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- Thank you for spending a few moments of your day with us.
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- God's moving in the earth and we want to be a part.
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