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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Economic Indicators | Allen Jackson Now | June 3, 2026
- Good evening and welcome to nashville.
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- I'm alan jackson.
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- You know, most of us understand a simple principle.
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- If you spend more than you earn.
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- Year after year, well,
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- Eventually you're going to have a problem.
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- Now, you may be able to make it work for a while.
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- You can borrow money.
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- You can put expenses on a credit card.
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- You can tell yourself you'll deal with it
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- Later, but sooner or later the bills come too.
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- Well, for years, washington has spent more money
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- Than it brings in.
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- Sometimes there are good reasons to spend more during a war
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- Or a national emergency.
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- Most americans understand that.
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- But what concerns many is that the spending
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- Never seems to stop when the crisis is over.
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- The government is now borrowing
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- Trillions of dollars as a normal part of doing business.
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- And while those numbers can feel distant
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- And sometimes hard to understand the effects well,
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- They may be much closer to home than many people realize.
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- When washington borrows money, that's money
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- That can't be invested somewhere else.
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- It can't help start a business.
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- It can't help expand a company.
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- It can't help create jobs
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- Or develop new technology or train workers for the future.
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- Over time, that really matters.
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- It can mean slower economic growth, fewer opportunities,
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- And a lower standard
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- Of living than americans might otherwise enjoy.
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- Many young americans already wonder
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- Whether they'll have the same opportunities
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- Their parents and grandparents enjoyed.
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- They see the rising cost of housing, education,
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- Everyday life,
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- And many are asking
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- Whether the american dream is becoming harder to reach.
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- Well, this isn't just about numbers
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- On a government spreadsheet.
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- It's about whether we're leaving our children and grandchildren
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- Greater opportunity or just a bigger bill.
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- So how serious is the problem?
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- Can america continue spending the way it has?
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- And what happens if we don't change course?
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- Well, i'd like to suggest to you some biblically
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- Sound fundamentals for dealing with our resources.
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- I don't want us to feel powerless, folks.
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- Our financial choices make a difference.
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- One big.
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- We must choose to avoid debt like the plague.
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- We should be fighting as a nation to stay out of debt.
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- How do we find ourselves $39 trillion in debt?
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- It's because we don't consider debt that big of a deal.
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- And on a personal level,
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- As miraculous as compound interest is,
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- If you ever get on the negative side of compound interest,
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- You're looking at a modern day nightmare.
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- I'll give you one example.
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- A $7,500 balance on a credit card at 18% interest.
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- It's a minimum payment of $150.
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- How long do you think it takes to pay that off?
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- 30 years. in two months.
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- With a total payment of over $23,000.
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- Is it evil to borrow money?
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- Absolutely not.
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- In fact, our ability to borrow money
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- Is one of the reflections of the stability of the nation
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- In which we are privileged to live.
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- Many places in the world where i've visited, the notion
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- Of a 30 year loan for a home would be laughable.
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- The governments are too unstable.
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- The economies are too unstable.
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- Their lives are far too uncertain.
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- They couldn't
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- Imagine loaning money over a lengthy period of time.
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- The fact that we've had that privilege,
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- It's a reflection of the values
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- That we have held
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- Regarding work, integrity, truthfulness, family.
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- If you deconstruct all of those things,
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- We will lose the stability.
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- Another fundamental
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- I'd like to suggest is simply to engage in work.
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- The dignity of work is not a bad thing.
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- Contrary to popular culture, today,
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- Work is not a four letter word.
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- The bible often refers to money
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- By calling it the fruit of our labor.
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- It's a very significant connection.
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- The bible attaches nobility to labor.
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- Scripture teaches that hard work is a good thing,
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- That it sharpens our intellect, develops our skills,
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- And provides a sense of satisfaction.
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- Another tip on how to get your financial house in order is
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- You need to distinguish between wants and needs.
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- Our vocabulary on the concept of need.
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- It's broken.
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- You see, we live in a society where there are multi-trillion
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- Dollar industries
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- Whose primary goal is to make you dissatisfied.
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- To convince you that the label in your clothing,
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- Or the label on your car, or the label of something
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- Your children have,
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- Is what defines your value and your self-worth.
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- The bible says something different
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- That godliness with contentment is great gain.
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- One of the things in my life that helped me
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- Get a little bit of a handle on this idea of need
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- Was when my brother and i traveled to study
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- At hebrew university in jerusalem.
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- We were allowed to bring two duffel bags
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- That contained everything we needed
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- For that year of school
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- Our linens, our towels, our clothes,
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- Our books, our cooking utensils,
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- Whatever we needed for the run at the university.
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- It had to fit into those two duffel bags.
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- Well, that exercise reshaped how i understood
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- What was essential and what was not.
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- On a national level.
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- One other issue that must change is the out of control fraud.
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- We have become a nation of thieves.
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- No, fraud is just a fancy word for stealing.
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- And there are stealing billions of dollars
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- From the american people.
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- One case of fraud in minnesota that the justice department
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- Is litigating.
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- It involves a company called ultimate home health.
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- The owners submitted $1.4 million
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- In false charges to a medicaid program, a program
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- Meant to help adults with brain injuries live independently.
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- Another case charges a medicaid provider
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- With fraudulently billing medicaid
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- For $22 million for in-home support services.
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- They were either unnecessary or just not provided.
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- The justice department's complaint alleges
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- That the defendants
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- That were charged use the funds they obtained from medicaid
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- To purchase, get this.
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- And aston martin three porsches, three teslas.
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- The expensive jewelry that included five rolex watches.
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- Well, i would expect the governors
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- And the mayors of the state where billions of dollars
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- Are being stolen from taxpayers, both from the local community
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- And the federal community to be outraged at that.
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- But that's not the response we've seen.
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- I'd love to hear our leaders
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- Say, we're going to stop collecting income taxes
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- Until we can reduce fraud by 50%.
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- Wouldn't that be refreshing?
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- Well, we as the church cannot sit quiet in this season.
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- We must let our voice be heard both now and in the coming
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- Elections in november.
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- We have an assignment to stand for the truth, to search for it.
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- Because the solution to society's
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- Ills are not political.
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- It's spiritual.
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- We must have a faith that is living and vital,
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- A faith that requires
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- Situational awareness of the world we are living in.
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- We must determine to be champions of the truth.
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- With all that on the table.
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- In a moment, we're going to hear from the former director
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- Of the congressional budget office, doug holtz-eakin.
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- Now he's the president of american action forum.
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- I'll be right back.
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- I'll be right back.
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- Well, tonight we're joined by the president
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- Of the american action forum, doug holtz-eakin.
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- Welcome to the show, doug.
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- Thanks for having me.
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- You know, americans have different indicators
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- That they look to to determine the state of the economy.
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- You know, for some, it's their bank account.
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- For others, it's the price of gas or groceries.
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- I'm curious, as an economist,
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- What indicators do you pay attention to
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- And how do you rate our current economy?
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- Well, i pay attention to the overall growth
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- Rate of the economy,
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- Which is 1.6% in the first three months of this year.
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- I'd like to see that number be a little bit higher.
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- Then i dig into it and see where's that growth coming from?
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- It's very strong growth from the business sector,
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- Largely led by investments in ai in the infrastructure we have,
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- We've had a big, investment spending boom.
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- Household sector looks a little weaker.
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- And i have some concerns about that.
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- The savings rates fallen from over 5% down to 2.6%
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- In the year.
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- That usually means
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- People are scraping a little bit and can't put away as much.
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- We've seen spending on goods, and now services
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- Slowed down a little bit.
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- That has me concerned.
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- And in the most recent data,
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- Prices are rising faster than wages.
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- And that's that's not something
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- That you can put up with for very long.
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- So, you know, we're it's a very resilient economy.
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- It's moving forward.
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- But, you know,
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- I mean, vicious i'd like to see us grow a little faster.
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- What do you perceive as our biggest economic threat?
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- Is it china?
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- Debt, inflation, something else?
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- I think the near-term, outlook
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- Is all driven by iran and global oil markets.
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- How long does it take to get the strait of hormuz open?
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- It'll take a couple of months
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- After that for everything to normalize.
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- So, you know, sooner is better on that front.
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- No question about it.
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- After that, i think something that people
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- Don't talk a lot about, but which we ought to pay
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- Attention to, is they're renegotiating the united
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- States-mexico-canada free trade agreements and,
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- That's a big economy in north america.
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- And when the tariffs were first imposed
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- And they applied to everything that crossed both the canadian
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- And the mexican borders, markets were really shocked.
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- And since then, we've exempted about 85% of those trades.
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- Making sure that we don't get into trouble
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- In that negotiation. i think it's something to worry about.
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- Well, i've got a video clip from senator rand
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- Paul with some opinions about our debt.
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- Watch that.
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- And then i've got a question.
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- Now, there's still 16 big government republicans
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- Who don't want to cut any spending.
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- And typically they work with the big government democrats.
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- And it is a bipartisan spending problem that we have here.
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- But most of them, i think, wish that they could be better
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- And stronger.
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- But i think a lot of them think,
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- Well, i can't stake out this position,
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- But when i get home, i get
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- I get nothing but encouragement. people at home are like,
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- Thank you for standing your ground.
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- Thank you for standing up for what you said
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- You were running on, which was balancing the budget.
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- What are your greatest
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- Concerns about our current national budget?
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- I echo everything the senator said.
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- You know, he's better
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- Attuned to the politics and the politicians themselves.
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- But i know that, you know, you should not have business
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- As usual
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- Be spend $7 trillion, raise five in taxes, and borrow two.
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- That has led to the fact
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- That about a million, a trillion of that borrowing
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- Is interest on previous borrowing.
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- So that interest is now the most rapidly
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- Growing part of the federal budget.
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- It's bigger than everything but social security.
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- It'll pass social security and not very long.
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- And and you have a problem if your biggest spending item
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- Is what you owe other people.
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- And so
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- It is time for the united states to get ahold of that deficit,
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- Get ahold of the debt, and and change the trajectory.
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- And the sooner the congress move on that,
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- The better off we'll all be.
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- And that would be a miracle
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- Of biblical proportions, i think,
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- As of may 26th.
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- Portfolio. yes.
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- As of may 22nd, we have a new fed chair, kevin walsh.
- 00:10:51.009 --> 00:10:54.480
- You know, many are looking to that change
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- To think they're going
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- To strengthen
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- The housing market with some really lofty expectations.
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- Do you believe he yields as much power as people lp does?
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- The fed doesn't control interest rates.
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- The fed controls
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- One interest rate, the interest rate on overnight borrowing.
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- And certainly they can do what they can on that front.
- 00:11:12.564 --> 00:11:15.267
- But if, for example, they don't get the debt under control,
- 00:11:15.267 --> 00:11:18.437
- All the other interest rates are going to skyrocket.
- 00:11:18.437 --> 00:11:20.272
- And what you pay on your mortgages and your car loans
- 00:11:20.272 --> 00:11:22.341
- And your credit cards are going to go up as well.
- 00:11:22.341 --> 00:11:24.676
- There's no escaping that.
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- So, i, there's no reason not to wish kevin walsh
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- Nothing but the best.
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- He has promised to do business differently.
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- And i think we'll see that from the fed.
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- He's going to sort of, i think, communicate differently
- 00:11:34.286 --> 00:11:37.790
- Right now.
- 00:11:37.790 --> 00:11:38.857
- The fed overwhelms us with economic projections
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- And guidance about maybe rate cuts next time, maybe not.
- 00:11:41.393 --> 00:11:45.230
- He's going to say less and act more.
- 00:11:45.230 --> 00:11:47.399
- And i think it'll be interesting to watch.
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- One of the things
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- The trump administration has touted
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- As their new trump accounts,
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- That allows for the head start for our children.
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- Maybe they
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- Imagine that they could
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- Begin to accumulate some wealth earlier in their life.
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- Do you see that as a significant contribution,
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- Or is that more political dialog?
- 00:12:03.715 --> 00:12:06.652
- It could be a significant contribution.
- 00:12:06.652 --> 00:12:08.587
- We'll see how many people will take up the trump accounts.
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- They are, at the outset, essentially.
- 00:12:11.924 --> 00:12:14.960
- Custodial accounts.
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- Parents have them on behalf of their children.
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- The real issue becomes when those children turn 18,
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- Do they continue to use them to build a retirement
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- Savings, of a substantial magnitude?
- 00:12:24.036 --> 00:12:27.406
- I hope so, for decades, the us has had a reputation
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- As an economy that doesn't save enough.
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- And, a lot of our,
- 00:12:33.579 --> 00:12:36.048
- International trade woes come from the fact
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- That we have to have money
- 00:12:37.916 --> 00:12:39.351
- Come in from overseas to finance things.
- 00:12:39.351 --> 00:12:41.720
- A lot of people's concerns about social security
- 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.956
- And other issues come from
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- The fact that they don't really have a big cushion.
- 00:12:45.757 --> 00:12:48.360
- Building that cushion is the first thing
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- That that someone
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- Can do to prepare themselves for the future.
- 00:12:51.196 --> 00:12:53.799
- You know,
- 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:54.700
- It seems to me that one of the strengths
- 00:12:54.700 --> 00:12:55.701
- Of america's economy, over time, through history
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- Has been the productivity
- 00:12:58.203 --> 00:12:59.438
- Of the american worker, our commitment to effort,
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- Some of those values seem to have slipped a bit.
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- Is that my imagination,
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- Or do we have to kind of reimagine
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- Our way of engaging with work
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- In order to get to a better place?
- 00:13:10.249 --> 00:13:12.184
- I don't think it's your imagination.
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- I think you're an astute observer.
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- And, you know,
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- Some of the so-called inputs to things have dropped off.
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- Among the large developed economies,
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- We have the lowest rate of labor force participation among,
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- Prime age males.
- 00:13:27.666 --> 00:13:29.101
- Why is it they're not looking for work?
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- That's a concern for me.
- 00:13:30.769 --> 00:13:32.771
- And the, the outcomes are not what they used to be.
- 00:13:32.771 --> 00:13:36.275
- Income per capita in the united states is growing,
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- A percentage point slower than it did in the 20th century.
- 00:13:38.810 --> 00:13:41.313
- For example, from 1960 to 2000,
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- If we'd kept up the previous pace of growth,
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- Everyone in america, man, woman and child
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- Would have 25,000 more dollars per year on average.
- 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.822
- I mean, that's a lot of money. i'd like my 25.
- 00:13:50.822 --> 00:13:53.325
- I don't know about you.
- 00:13:53.325 --> 00:13:54.693
- So let's let's get the, the same values back.
- 00:13:54.693 --> 00:13:58.030
- Let's get the headwinds
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- To growth, like the deficit out of the way.
- 00:13:59.731 --> 00:14:02.134
- And then america takes care of itself.
- 00:14:02.134 --> 00:14:04.002
- And it's always been able to do that.
- 00:14:04.002 --> 00:14:06.338
- It seems to me
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- If we'd focus more on our productivity
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- Than our work life balance,
- 00:14:09.007 --> 00:14:10.642
- We would find ourselves at a better place.
- 00:14:10.642 --> 00:14:13.078
- I think that,
- 00:14:13.078 --> 00:14:15.447
- You know, people always.
- 00:14:15.981 --> 00:14:17.416
- But, in this conversation portray work as the bad news
- 00:14:17.416 --> 00:14:21.119
- Works.
- 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:22.421
- Not that news, work is a great sense of fulfillment.
- 00:14:22.421 --> 00:14:25.190
- Gives people
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- A sense of purpose, makes them feel better about themselves.
- 00:14:26.425 --> 00:14:28.994
- And it's the dividing line between,
- 00:14:29.761 --> 00:14:31.663
- Being poor and not poor.
- 00:14:31.663 --> 00:14:32.898
- In america, people who work are far less likely to be poor.
- 00:14:32.898 --> 00:14:36.368
- If you're not working, then then you face a lot of problems.
- 00:14:36.368 --> 00:14:39.604
- Well, doug, we need to take a short break.
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- Can you stand by for another segment?
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- Sure, ken,
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- Try logging on to aj now. dot com.
- 00:14:46.311 --> 00:14:48.347
- You can send me an email with your thoughts on this topic.
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- I'll be right back.
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- I'll be right back.
- 00:14:58.005 --> 00:15:03.195
- We're back now with the president
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- Of the american action forum, doug holtz-eakin.
- 00:15:05.330 --> 00:15:09.101
- Let's shift the conversation to eye for a moment.
- 00:15:09.101 --> 00:15:12.070
- Senator warren
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- Has recently written an op ed that ran in time magazine.
- 00:15:13.271 --> 00:15:15.974
- She was proposing hefty taxes on the ai industry
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- In an effort to fund health care and education.
- 00:15:19.644 --> 00:15:22.914
- It seems to me the politicians never seem
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- To stop trying to find ways
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- To raise more money, as opposed to cut spending.
- 00:15:26.218 --> 00:15:30.222
- Is that ever going to change?
- 00:15:30.222 --> 00:15:32.290
- I think it has to change.
- 00:15:32.858 --> 00:15:35.460
- The reality is that, you know, as
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- I've mentioned before, we have enormous budget deficits
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- And the spending is growing more rapidly than the revenues.
- 00:15:40.732 --> 00:15:45.203
- And until you get the spending growth rates to slow down,
- 00:15:45.203 --> 00:15:48.373
- You can raise taxes, but they'll still grow slower
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- Than the spending after you raise them
- 00:15:50.742 --> 00:15:52.110
- And you lose the race again.
- 00:15:52.110 --> 00:15:53.779
- Right now, there's a race between spending and revenues.
- 00:15:53.779 --> 00:15:56.515
- Spending will always win. it's stacked that way.
- 00:15:56.515 --> 00:15:59.351
- We've got to change it or we'll never deal
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- With the fiscal problems.
- 00:16:00.819 --> 00:16:02.988
- Well, let's stay with the subject of ai for just a moment.
- 00:16:02.988 --> 00:16:05.724
- How does this new technology stand
- 00:16:05.724 --> 00:16:07.459
- To impact our economy for good or bad?
- 00:16:07.459 --> 00:16:10.529
- It's going to impact our economy dramatically.
- 00:16:11.463 --> 00:16:14.866
- There's no question about that.
- 00:16:14.866 --> 00:16:16.601
- A lot of the focus is on jobs. how many jobs will replace
- 00:16:16.601 --> 00:16:19.204
- I think that's a mistake in focus.
- 00:16:19.204 --> 00:16:21.706
- Ai is going to change every job, and in the process,
- 00:16:22.741 --> 00:16:26.044
- It will make americans more productive
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- And will benefit from that higher productivity.
- 00:16:28.180 --> 00:16:30.282
- That's always been important in raising the standard of living.
- 00:16:30.282 --> 00:16:33.452
- There will be some jobs that that we that we see
- 00:16:33.452 --> 00:16:36.121
- Get outsourced.
- 00:16:36.121 --> 00:16:37.255
- They're not going to be needed anymore.
- 00:16:37.255 --> 00:16:38.857
- And because they're the key will be to make sure
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- That we've done what we always do,
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- Which is take those things that are no longer the
- 00:16:42.127 --> 00:16:44.996
- The important items, like buggies
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- That became unimportant and move people into professions
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- That have some real prospects and give them a real paycheck.
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- So, it'll be a challenge, i think.
- 00:16:53.105 --> 00:16:54.840
- There's no question about that.
- 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:55.774
- But it's a great opportunity as well.
- 00:16:55.774 --> 00:16:57.776
- You know, i'm old enough to remember when the internet
- 00:16:57.776 --> 00:16:59.411
- Was coming online and some of the predictions
- 00:16:59.411 --> 00:17:01.746
- About what it would and wouldn't do.
- 00:17:01.746 --> 00:17:03.148
- And frankly, most of them were inaccurate.
- 00:17:03.148 --> 00:17:05.617
- So i feel that kind of way about ai.
- 00:17:05.617 --> 00:17:07.152
- It's going to be more about our character
- 00:17:07.152 --> 00:17:09.121
- And how our character helps us shape that technology for
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- Good or evil.
- 00:17:11.890 --> 00:17:12.791
- It is absolutely about character.
- 00:17:13.558 --> 00:17:15.760
- There's a big, you know, tussle about regulating ai.
- 00:17:15.760 --> 00:17:18.830
- A lot of ai is just tools.
- 00:17:19.397 --> 00:17:21.299
- If you use
- 00:17:21.299 --> 00:17:22.534
- Ai to decide whether to pay a health insurance claim or not,
- 00:17:22.534 --> 00:17:25.270
- It doesn't matter if it was ai or human.
- 00:17:25.270 --> 00:17:27.105
- What matters is whether you pay the right claims.
- 00:17:27.105 --> 00:17:29.474
- And we judged firms by whether they do that,
- 00:17:29.474 --> 00:17:31.943
- So that ai doesn't change any of that.
- 00:17:31.943 --> 00:17:34.613
- Then for the tough calls, it's the ethical use of ai
- 00:17:34.613 --> 00:17:37.382
- That we have to be cognizant of.
- 00:17:37.382 --> 00:17:39.117
- And making sure that people use ai ethically
- 00:17:39.117 --> 00:17:42.020
- Is more important than what ai is.
- 00:17:42.020 --> 00:17:43.455
- It's a human creation, and a human will run it.
- 00:17:43.455 --> 00:17:46.625
- And so we need to be cognizant of that and pay attention to
- 00:17:46.625 --> 00:17:49.661
- Our ethics.
- 00:17:49.661 --> 00:17:50.695
- Well, iran continues to dominate the news cycle,
- 00:17:51.696 --> 00:17:54.166
- And it seems we're always moments away from a ceasefire.
- 00:17:54.166 --> 00:17:57.936
- And yet the turmoil continues on.
- 00:17:57.936 --> 00:18:01.173
- What are the real world impacts
- 00:18:01.173 --> 00:18:02.774
- To our economy from that conflict in iran?
- 00:18:02.774 --> 00:18:05.110
- I know the strait of hormuz is part of that,
- 00:18:05.110 --> 00:18:07.512
- But can you help us a little bit with the bigger picture?
- 00:18:07.512 --> 00:18:10.115
- The strait of hormuz is part of that.
- 00:18:10.115 --> 00:18:11.716
- But, lingering, past
- 00:18:11.716 --> 00:18:14.819
- That is just a lot of uncertainty about,
- 00:18:14.819 --> 00:18:18.023
- The state of international relations.
- 00:18:18.023 --> 00:18:19.524
- And for the business community, that means, you know,
- 00:18:19.524 --> 00:18:22.627
- Where do i get my supplies from?
- 00:18:22.627 --> 00:18:24.196
- What do i do in the u.s.?
- 00:18:24.196 --> 00:18:25.330
- What do i you know, i have export, customers.
- 00:18:25.330 --> 00:18:27.732
- Am i going to be able to use the supply chains that i used to?
- 00:18:27.732 --> 00:18:30.168
- So it sort of freezes all that decision making,
- 00:18:30.168 --> 00:18:32.370
- And that's that's not great.
- 00:18:32.370 --> 00:18:34.206
- And as this sort of draws out, it's expensive.
- 00:18:34.206 --> 00:18:37.309
- It's we've spent, something like $70 million total, on this.
- 00:18:37.309 --> 00:18:41.846
- And we're going to have to
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- Replace all the munitions that have been used.
- 00:18:43.348 --> 00:18:45.250
- And that means more spending.
- 00:18:45.250 --> 00:18:47.152
- And, you know, we've not seen congress
- 00:18:47.152 --> 00:18:48.887
- Willing to cut somewhere else.
- 00:18:48.887 --> 00:18:50.288
- So that's more stress on the budget,
- 00:18:50.288 --> 00:18:52.290
- Which leads to more stress and interest rates.
- 00:18:52.290 --> 00:18:54.459
- You start getting stress on interest rates.
- 00:18:54.459 --> 00:18:56.161
- That's everything everywhere in the economy.
- 00:18:56.161 --> 00:18:57.495
- There's no way around that.
- 00:18:57.495 --> 00:18:59.064
- What about
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- I know there's been a reduction of oil
- 00:18:59.898 --> 00:19:00.966
- That's available for china from iran and venezuela.
- 00:19:00.966 --> 00:19:03.969
- So there's some sense that it's maybe a shift
- 00:19:03.969 --> 00:19:06.271
- In the balance of power or rebalancing trade.
- 00:19:06.271 --> 00:19:08.807
- So going to work in our favor over time.
- 00:19:08.807 --> 00:19:11.643
- One of the things we've learned
- 00:19:12.277 --> 00:19:13.278
- Is that, you know, this isn't, 2008 anymore.
- 00:19:13.278 --> 00:19:16.348
- And, the u.s.
- 00:19:16.348 --> 00:19:17.949
- Is the world's largest exporter of natural gas.
- 00:19:17.949 --> 00:19:20.252
- It's the largest producer and a major exporter of oil.
- 00:19:20.252 --> 00:19:23.622
- And these oil price shocks
- 00:19:24.189 --> 00:19:25.290
- Don't have the same impact that they used to
- 00:19:25.290 --> 00:19:27.392
- That that moves in the us favor.
- 00:19:27.392 --> 00:19:29.361
- We are the
- 00:19:29.361 --> 00:19:30.328
- The future of these energy supplies,
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- And they can't really be used to hold us hostage.
- 00:19:32.230 --> 00:19:35.200
- It can affect the globe, and they can affect,
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- The pace of economic growth.
- 00:19:37.202 --> 00:19:38.670
- But the balance of power has already shifted,
- 00:19:38.670 --> 00:19:40.538
- And it's because of the production expansion
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- We've done over the past two decades.
- 00:19:42.707 --> 00:19:45.110
- One last question.
- 00:19:45.110 --> 00:19:46.311
- I know it's an election cycle.
- 00:19:46.311 --> 00:19:47.579
- And so there's a lot of polarization.
- 00:19:47.579 --> 00:19:49.781
- Are you an optimist or a pessimist?
- 00:19:49.781 --> 00:19:51.316
- When you look at the economy and our future?
- 00:19:51.316 --> 00:19:53.351
- Oh, i'm an optimist.
- 00:19:53.818 --> 00:19:55.687
- You know, the, the, the power of the american people
- 00:19:55.687 --> 00:19:58.990
- To be productive, innovative and to succeed is unbounded.
- 00:19:58.990 --> 00:20:02.894
- And all they need is the willingness
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- Of the government to give them the freedom necessary to do it.
- 00:20:06.064 --> 00:20:09.067
- And, we've always had a government
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- That was wise enough to,
- 00:20:10.835 --> 00:20:12.137
- To keep, relatively small and contained
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- That to make sure that continues to be true.
- 00:20:15.206 --> 00:20:16.608
- And we'll be fine.
- 00:20:16.608 --> 00:20:18.543
- Doug, i thank you for your time today.
- 00:20:18.543 --> 00:20:20.078
- We appreciate your thoughtful insight.
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- Thank you. thanks for having me.
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- In a moment, we'll look at some of your emails.
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- We'll be right back.
- 00:20:26.151 --> 00:20:33.006
- We'll be right back.
- 00:20:33.006 --> 00:20:37.763
- Thank you for taking the time to send us your thoughts.
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- Your emails and opinions are always a highlight.
- 00:20:41.967 --> 00:20:44.670
- Paul, from maryland wrote, isn't it time to point out
- 00:20:44.670 --> 00:20:48.007
- The undeniable fact
- 00:20:48.007 --> 00:20:49.141
- That the 90 pounds of uranium in iran
- 00:20:49.141 --> 00:20:51.610
- That threatened
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- The entire western world, including every american,
- 00:20:52.745 --> 00:20:55.314
- Was funded by the obama
- 00:20:55.314 --> 00:20:58.050
- And more recently, the biden administration.
- 00:20:58.050 --> 00:21:00.119
- How in the world is that not the buzz?
- 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:02.855
- Well, paul, it's an interesting observation,
- 00:21:02.855 --> 00:21:04.290
- But i heard a conversation
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- In the last day or two that fascinated me.
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- It was an obama acolyte in the media cycle
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- Comparing the obama iran deal with what
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- Trump is accomplishing,
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- And they were trying to say that they were very much parallel.
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- I never thought i would hear the obama camp, obama
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- Trying to allied themselves with trump's foreign policy.
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- There must be the imagination that trump is succeeding,
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- Or that group wouldn't be trying to stay on those coattails.
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- Fascinating.
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- God has to be moving in the earth.
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- Harland from michigan wrote.
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- Why is the end of life so ugly?
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- Pain, physical disabilities, mental decline, anxiety
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- And depression?
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- It's a good question, harland.
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- You know, the end of life is a transition
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- And all transitions are difficult.
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- They're never easy, does it?
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- Doesn't matter what the transition is
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- For the christ follower, the end of life is an upgrade.
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- So it may be a difficult season and we recognize some decline
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- As we age.
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- But there is something that awaits us that far exceeds
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- The pain of the deterioration of this temporary life
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- Suit that we inhabit.
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- It's the reason we choose jesus as lord and serve him
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- With enthusiasm.
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- God's moving in the earth.
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- I hope you know him and i pray that you have a restful evening.
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- God bless you.
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