Allen Jackson: Economic Indicators | Allen Jackson Now

June 3, 2026 | 22:31

Douglas Holtz-Eakin joins Allen Jackson to discuss current events.

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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Economic Indicators | Allen Jackson Now | June 3, 2026
  • Good evening and welcome to nashville.
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  • I'm alan jackson.
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  • You know, most of us understand a simple principle.
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  • If you spend more than you earn.
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  • Year after year, well,
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  • Eventually you're going to have a problem.
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  • Now, you may be able to make it work for a while.
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  • You can borrow money.
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  • You can put expenses on a credit card.
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  • You can tell yourself you'll deal with it
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  • Later, but sooner or later the bills come too.
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  • Well, for years, washington has spent more money
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  • Than it brings in.
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  • Sometimes there are good reasons to spend more during a war
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  • Or a national emergency.
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  • Most americans understand that.
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  • But what concerns many is that the spending
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  • Never seems to stop when the crisis is over.
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  • The government is now borrowing
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  • Trillions of dollars as a normal part of doing business.
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  • And while those numbers can feel distant
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  • And sometimes hard to understand the effects well,
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  • They may be much closer to home than many people realize.
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  • When washington borrows money, that's money
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  • That can't be invested somewhere else.
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  • It can't help start a business.
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  • It can't help expand a company.
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  • It can't help create jobs
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  • Or develop new technology or train workers for the future.
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  • Over time, that really matters.
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  • It can mean slower economic growth, fewer opportunities,
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  • And a lower standard
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  • Of living than americans might otherwise enjoy.
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  • Many young americans already wonder
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  • Whether they'll have the same opportunities
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  • Their parents and grandparents enjoyed.
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  • They see the rising cost of housing, education,
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  • Everyday life,
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  • And many are asking
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  • Whether the american dream is becoming harder to reach.
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  • Well, this isn't just about numbers
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  • On a government spreadsheet.
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  • It's about whether we're leaving our children and grandchildren
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  • Greater opportunity or just a bigger bill.
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  • So how serious is the problem?
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  • Can america continue spending the way it has?
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  • And what happens if we don't change course?
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  • Well, i'd like to suggest to you some biblically
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  • Sound fundamentals for dealing with our resources.
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  • I don't want us to feel powerless, folks.
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  • Our financial choices make a difference.
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  • One big.
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  • We must choose to avoid debt like the plague.
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  • We should be fighting as a nation to stay out of debt.
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  • How do we find ourselves $39 trillion in debt?
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  • It's because we don't consider debt that big of a deal.
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  • And on a personal level,
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  • As miraculous as compound interest is,
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  • If you ever get on the negative side of compound interest,
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  • You're looking at a modern day nightmare.
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  • I'll give you one example.
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  • A $7,500 balance on a credit card at 18% interest.
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  • It's a minimum payment of $150.
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  • How long do you think it takes to pay that off?
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  • 30 years. in two months.
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  • With a total payment of over $23,000.
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  • Is it evil to borrow money?
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  • Absolutely not.
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  • In fact, our ability to borrow money
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  • Is one of the reflections of the stability of the nation
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  • In which we are privileged to live.
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  • Many places in the world where i've visited, the notion
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  • Of a 30 year loan for a home would be laughable.
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  • The governments are too unstable.
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  • The economies are too unstable.
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  • Their lives are far too uncertain.
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  • They couldn't
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  • Imagine loaning money over a lengthy period of time.
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  • The fact that we've had that privilege,
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  • It's a reflection of the values
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  • That we have held
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  • Regarding work, integrity, truthfulness, family.
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  • If you deconstruct all of those things,
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  • We will lose the stability.
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  • Another fundamental
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  • I'd like to suggest is simply to engage in work.
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  • The dignity of work is not a bad thing.
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  • Contrary to popular culture, today,
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  • Work is not a four letter word.
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  • The bible often refers to money
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  • By calling it the fruit of our labor.
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  • It's a very significant connection.
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  • The bible attaches nobility to labor.
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  • Scripture teaches that hard work is a good thing,
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  • That it sharpens our intellect, develops our skills,
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  • And provides a sense of satisfaction.
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  • Another tip on how to get your financial house in order is
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  • You need to distinguish between wants and needs.
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  • Our vocabulary on the concept of need.
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  • It's broken.
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  • You see, we live in a society where there are multi-trillion
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  • Dollar industries
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  • Whose primary goal is to make you dissatisfied.
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  • To convince you that the label in your clothing,
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  • Or the label on your car, or the label of something
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  • Your children have,
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  • Is what defines your value and your self-worth.
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  • The bible says something different
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  • That godliness with contentment is great gain.
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  • One of the things in my life that helped me
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  • Get a little bit of a handle on this idea of need
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  • Was when my brother and i traveled to study
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  • At hebrew university in jerusalem.
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  • We were allowed to bring two duffel bags
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  • That contained everything we needed
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  • For that year of school
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  • Our linens, our towels, our clothes,
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  • Our books, our cooking utensils,
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  • Whatever we needed for the run at the university.
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  • It had to fit into those two duffel bags.
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  • Well, that exercise reshaped how i understood
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  • What was essential and what was not.
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  • On a national level.
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  • One other issue that must change is the out of control fraud.
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  • We have become a nation of thieves.
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  • No, fraud is just a fancy word for stealing.
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  • And there are stealing billions of dollars
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  • From the american people.
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  • One case of fraud in minnesota that the justice department
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  • Is litigating.
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  • It involves a company called ultimate home health.
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  • The owners submitted $1.4 million
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  • In false charges to a medicaid program, a program
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  • Meant to help adults with brain injuries live independently.
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  • Another case charges a medicaid provider
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  • With fraudulently billing medicaid
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  • For $22 million for in-home support services.
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  • They were either unnecessary or just not provided.
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  • The justice department's complaint alleges
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  • That the defendants
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  • That were charged use the funds they obtained from medicaid
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  • To purchase, get this.
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  • And aston martin three porsches, three teslas.
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  • The expensive jewelry that included five rolex watches.
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  • Well, i would expect the governors
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  • And the mayors of the state where billions of dollars
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  • Are being stolen from taxpayers, both from the local community
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  • And the federal community to be outraged at that.
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  • But that's not the response we've seen.
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  • I'd love to hear our leaders
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  • Say, we're going to stop collecting income taxes
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  • Until we can reduce fraud by 50%.
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  • Wouldn't that be refreshing?
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  • Well, we as the church cannot sit quiet in this season.
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  • We must let our voice be heard both now and in the coming
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  • Elections in november.
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  • We have an assignment to stand for the truth, to search for it.
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  • Because the solution to society's
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  • Ills are not political.
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  • It's spiritual.
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  • We must have a faith that is living and vital,
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  • A faith that requires
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  • Situational awareness of the world we are living in.
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  • We must determine to be champions of the truth.
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  • With all that on the table.
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  • In a moment, we're going to hear from the former director
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  • Of the congressional budget office, doug holtz-eakin.
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  • Now he's the president of american action forum.
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  • I'll be right back.
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  • I'll be right back.
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  • Well, tonight we're joined by the president
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  • Of the american action forum, doug holtz-eakin.
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  • Welcome to the show, doug.
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  • Thanks for having me.
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  • You know, americans have different indicators
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  • That they look to to determine the state of the economy.
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  • You know, for some, it's their bank account.
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  • For others, it's the price of gas or groceries.
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  • I'm curious, as an economist,
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  • What indicators do you pay attention to
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  • And how do you rate our current economy?
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  • Well, i pay attention to the overall growth
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  • Rate of the economy,
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  • Which is 1.6% in the first three months of this year.
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  • I'd like to see that number be a little bit higher.
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  • Then i dig into it and see where's that growth coming from?
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  • It's very strong growth from the business sector,
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  • Largely led by investments in ai in the infrastructure we have,
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  • We've had a big, investment spending boom.
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  • Household sector looks a little weaker.
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  • And i have some concerns about that.
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  • The savings rates fallen from over 5% down to 2.6%
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  • In the year.
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  • That usually means
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  • People are scraping a little bit and can't put away as much.
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  • We've seen spending on goods, and now services
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  • Slowed down a little bit.
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  • That has me concerned.
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  • And in the most recent data,
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  • Prices are rising faster than wages.
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  • And that's that's not something
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  • That you can put up with for very long.
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  • So, you know, we're it's a very resilient economy.
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  • It's moving forward.
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  • But, you know,
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  • I mean, vicious i'd like to see us grow a little faster.
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  • What do you perceive as our biggest economic threat?
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  • Is it china?
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  • Debt, inflation, something else?
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  • I think the near-term, outlook
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  • Is all driven by iran and global oil markets.
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  • How long does it take to get the strait of hormuz open?
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  • It'll take a couple of months
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  • After that for everything to normalize.
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  • So, you know, sooner is better on that front.
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  • No question about it.
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  • After that, i think something that people
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  • Don't talk a lot about, but which we ought to pay
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  • Attention to, is they're renegotiating the united
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  • States-mexico-canada free trade agreements and,
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  • That's a big economy in north america.
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  • And when the tariffs were first imposed
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  • And they applied to everything that crossed both the canadian
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  • And the mexican borders, markets were really shocked.
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  • And since then, we've exempted about 85% of those trades.
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  • Making sure that we don't get into trouble
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  • In that negotiation. i think it's something to worry about.
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  • Well, i've got a video clip from senator rand
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  • Paul with some opinions about our debt.
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  • Watch that.
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  • And then i've got a question.
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  • Now, there's still 16 big government republicans
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  • Who don't want to cut any spending.
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  • And typically they work with the big government democrats.
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  • And it is a bipartisan spending problem that we have here.
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  • But most of them, i think, wish that they could be better
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  • And stronger.
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  • But i think a lot of them think,
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  • Well, i can't stake out this position,
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  • But when i get home, i get
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  • I get nothing but encouragement. people at home are like,
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  • Thank you for standing your ground.
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  • Thank you for standing up for what you said
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  • You were running on, which was balancing the budget.
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  • What are your greatest
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  • Concerns about our current national budget?
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  • I echo everything the senator said.
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  • You know, he's better
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  • Attuned to the politics and the politicians themselves.
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  • But i know that, you know, you should not have business
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  • As usual
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  • Be spend $7 trillion, raise five in taxes, and borrow two.
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  • That has led to the fact
  • 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:15.941
  • That about a million, a trillion of that borrowing
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  • Is interest on previous borrowing.
  • 00:10:19.011 --> 00:10:21.113
  • So that interest is now the most rapidly
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  • Growing part of the federal budget.
  • 00:10:22.915 --> 00:10:24.550
  • It's bigger than everything but social security.
  • 00:10:24.550 --> 00:10:26.251
  • It'll pass social security and not very long.
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  • And and you have a problem if your biggest spending item
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  • Is what you owe other people.
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  • And so
  • 00:10:33.092 --> 00:10:34.359
  • It is time for the united states to get ahold of that deficit,
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  • Get ahold of the debt, and and change the trajectory.
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  • And the sooner the congress move on that,
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  • The better off we'll all be.
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  • And that would be a miracle
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  • Of biblical proportions, i think,
  • 00:10:45.270 --> 00:10:48.340
  • As of may 26th.
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  • Portfolio. yes.
  • 00:10:49.274 --> 00:10:51.009
  • As of may 22nd, we have a new fed chair, kevin walsh.
  • 00:10:51.009 --> 00:10:54.480
  • You know, many are looking to that change
  • 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.482
  • To think they're going
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  • To strengthen
  • 00:10:57.149 --> 00:10:58.283
  • The housing market with some really lofty expectations.
  • 00:10:58.283 --> 00:11:01.386
  • Do you believe he yields as much power as people lp does?
  • 00:11:01.386 --> 00:11:04.823
  • The fed doesn't control interest rates.
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  • The fed controls
  • 00:11:08.427 --> 00:11:09.661
  • One interest rate, the interest rate on overnight borrowing.
  • 00:11:09.661 --> 00:11:12.564
  • And certainly they can do what they can on that front.
  • 00:11:12.564 --> 00:11:15.267
  • But if, for example, they don't get the debt under control,
  • 00:11:15.267 --> 00:11:18.437
  • All the other interest rates are going to skyrocket.
  • 00:11:18.437 --> 00:11:20.272
  • And what you pay on your mortgages and your car loans
  • 00:11:20.272 --> 00:11:22.341
  • And your credit cards are going to go up as well.
  • 00:11:22.341 --> 00:11:24.676
  • There's no escaping that.
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  • So, i, there's no reason not to wish kevin walsh
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  • Nothing but the best.
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  • He has promised to do business differently.
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  • And i think we'll see that from the fed.
  • 00:11:32.151 --> 00:11:34.286
  • He's going to sort of, i think, communicate differently
  • 00:11:34.286 --> 00:11:37.790
  • Right now.
  • 00:11:37.790 --> 00:11:38.857
  • The fed overwhelms us with economic projections
  • 00:11:38.857 --> 00:11:41.393
  • And guidance about maybe rate cuts next time, maybe not.
  • 00:11:41.393 --> 00:11:45.230
  • He's going to say less and act more.
  • 00:11:45.230 --> 00:11:47.399
  • And i think it'll be interesting to watch.
  • 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:50.035
  • One of the things
  • 00:11:50.469 --> 00:11:51.303
  • The trump administration has touted
  • 00:11:51.303 --> 00:11:53.005
  • As their new trump accounts,
  • 00:11:53.005 --> 00:11:54.606
  • That allows for the head start for our children.
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  • Maybe they
  • 00:11:56.642 --> 00:11:57.209
  • Imagine that they could
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  • Begin to accumulate some wealth earlier in their life.
  • 00:11:58.377 --> 00:12:01.013
  • Do you see that as a significant contribution,
  • 00:12:01.013 --> 00:12:03.715
  • Or is that more political dialog?
  • 00:12:03.715 --> 00:12:06.652
  • It could be a significant contribution.
  • 00:12:06.652 --> 00:12:08.587
  • We'll see how many people will take up the trump accounts.
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  • They are, at the outset, essentially.
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  • Custodial accounts.
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  • Parents have them on behalf of their children.
  • 00:12:15.994 --> 00:12:18.330
  • The real issue becomes when those children turn 18,
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  • Do they continue to use them to build a retirement
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  • Savings, of a substantial magnitude?
  • 00:12:24.036 --> 00:12:27.406
  • I hope so, for decades, the us has had a reputation
  • 00:12:27.406 --> 00:12:31.743
  • As an economy that doesn't save enough.
  • 00:12:31.743 --> 00:12:33.579
  • And, a lot of our,
  • 00:12:33.579 --> 00:12:36.048
  • International trade woes come from the fact
  • 00:12:36.048 --> 00:12:37.916
  • That we have to have money
  • 00:12:37.916 --> 00:12:39.351
  • Come in from overseas to finance things.
  • 00:12:39.351 --> 00:12:41.720
  • A lot of people's concerns about social security
  • 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.956
  • And other issues come from
  • 00:12:43.956 --> 00:12:45.757
  • The fact that they don't really have a big cushion.
  • 00:12:45.757 --> 00:12:48.360
  • Building that cushion is the first thing
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  • That that someone
  • 00:12:50.229 --> 00:12:51.196
  • Can do to prepare themselves for the future.
  • 00:12:51.196 --> 00:12:53.799
  • You know,
  • 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:54.700
  • It seems to me that one of the strengths
  • 00:12:54.700 --> 00:12:55.701
  • Of america's economy, over time, through history
  • 00:12:55.701 --> 00:12:58.203
  • Has been the productivity
  • 00:12:58.203 --> 00:12:59.438
  • Of the american worker, our commitment to effort,
  • 00:12:59.438 --> 00:13:02.708
  • Some of those values seem to have slipped a bit.
  • 00:13:02.708 --> 00:13:05.177
  • Is that my imagination,
  • 00:13:05.177 --> 00:13:07.112
  • Or do we have to kind of reimagine
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  • Our way of engaging with work
  • 00:13:08.714 --> 00:13:10.249
  • In order to get to a better place?
  • 00:13:10.249 --> 00:13:12.184
  • I don't think it's your imagination.
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  • I think you're an astute observer.
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  • And, you know,
  • 00:13:15.821 --> 00:13:17.022
  • Some of the so-called inputs to things have dropped off.
  • 00:13:17.022 --> 00:13:21.393
  • Among the large developed economies,
  • 00:13:21.393 --> 00:13:24.029
  • We have the lowest rate of labor force participation among,
  • 00:13:24.029 --> 00:13:27.266
  • Prime age males.
  • 00:13:27.666 --> 00:13:29.101
  • Why is it they're not looking for work?
  • 00:13:29.101 --> 00:13:30.769
  • That's a concern for me.
  • 00:13:30.769 --> 00:13:32.771
  • And the, the outcomes are not what they used to be.
  • 00:13:32.771 --> 00:13:36.275
  • Income per capita in the united states is growing,
  • 00:13:36.275 --> 00:13:38.810
  • A percentage point slower than it did in the 20th century.
  • 00:13:38.810 --> 00:13:41.313
  • For example, from 1960 to 2000,
  • 00:13:41.313 --> 00:13:43.548
  • If we'd kept up the previous pace of growth,
  • 00:13:43.548 --> 00:13:45.717
  • Everyone in america, man, woman and child
  • 00:13:45.717 --> 00:13:47.519
  • Would have 25,000 more dollars per year on average.
  • 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.822
  • I mean, that's a lot of money. i'd like my 25.
  • 00:13:50.822 --> 00:13:53.325
  • I don't know about you.
  • 00:13:53.325 --> 00:13:54.693
  • So let's let's get the, the same values back.
  • 00:13:54.693 --> 00:13:58.030
  • Let's get the headwinds
  • 00:13:58.030 --> 00:13:59.731
  • To growth, like the deficit out of the way.
  • 00:13:59.731 --> 00:14:02.134
  • And then america takes care of itself.
  • 00:14:02.134 --> 00:14:04.002
  • And it's always been able to do that.
  • 00:14:04.002 --> 00:14:06.338
  • It seems to me
  • 00:14:06.338 --> 00:14:07.239
  • If we'd focus more on our productivity
  • 00:14:07.239 --> 00:14:09.007
  • Than our work life balance,
  • 00:14:09.007 --> 00:14:10.642
  • We would find ourselves at a better place.
  • 00:14:10.642 --> 00:14:13.078
  • I think that,
  • 00:14:13.078 --> 00:14:15.447
  • You know, people always.
  • 00:14:15.981 --> 00:14:17.416
  • But, in this conversation portray work as the bad news
  • 00:14:17.416 --> 00:14:21.119
  • Works.
  • 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:22.421
  • Not that news, work is a great sense of fulfillment.
  • 00:14:22.421 --> 00:14:25.190
  • Gives people
  • 00:14:25.190 --> 00:14:26.425
  • A sense of purpose, makes them feel better about themselves.
  • 00:14:26.425 --> 00:14:28.994
  • And it's the dividing line between,
  • 00:14:29.761 --> 00:14:31.663
  • Being poor and not poor.
  • 00:14:31.663 --> 00:14:32.898
  • In america, people who work are far less likely to be poor.
  • 00:14:32.898 --> 00:14:36.368
  • If you're not working, then then you face a lot of problems.
  • 00:14:36.368 --> 00:14:39.604
  • Well, doug, we need to take a short break.
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  • Can you stand by for another segment?
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  • Sure, ken,
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  • We're back now with the president
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  • Of the american action forum, doug holtz-eakin.
  • 00:15:05.330 --> 00:15:09.101
  • Let's shift the conversation to eye for a moment.
  • 00:15:09.101 --> 00:15:12.070
  • Senator warren
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  • Has recently written an op ed that ran in time magazine.
  • 00:15:13.271 --> 00:15:15.974
  • She was proposing hefty taxes on the ai industry
  • 00:15:15.974 --> 00:15:19.644
  • In an effort to fund health care and education.
  • 00:15:19.644 --> 00:15:22.914
  • It seems to me the politicians never seem
  • 00:15:22.914 --> 00:15:24.950
  • To stop trying to find ways
  • 00:15:24.950 --> 00:15:26.218
  • To raise more money, as opposed to cut spending.
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  • Is that ever going to change?
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  • I think it has to change.
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  • The reality is that, you know, as
  • 00:15:35.460 --> 00:15:37.729
  • I've mentioned before, we have enormous budget deficits
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  • And the spending is growing more rapidly than the revenues.
  • 00:15:40.732 --> 00:15:45.203
  • And until you get the spending growth rates to slow down,
  • 00:15:45.203 --> 00:15:48.373
  • You can raise taxes, but they'll still grow slower
  • 00:15:48.373 --> 00:15:50.742
  • Than the spending after you raise them
  • 00:15:50.742 --> 00:15:52.110
  • And you lose the race again.
  • 00:15:52.110 --> 00:15:53.779
  • Right now, there's a race between spending and revenues.
  • 00:15:53.779 --> 00:15:56.515
  • Spending will always win. it's stacked that way.
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  • We've got to change it or we'll never deal
  • 00:15:59.351 --> 00:16:00.819
  • With the fiscal problems.
  • 00:16:00.819 --> 00:16:02.988
  • Well, let's stay with the subject of ai for just a moment.
  • 00:16:02.988 --> 00:16:05.724
  • How does this new technology stand
  • 00:16:05.724 --> 00:16:07.459
  • To impact our economy for good or bad?
  • 00:16:07.459 --> 00:16:10.529
  • It's going to impact our economy dramatically.
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  • There's no question about that.
  • 00:16:14.866 --> 00:16:16.601
  • A lot of the focus is on jobs. how many jobs will replace
  • 00:16:16.601 --> 00:16:19.204
  • I think that's a mistake in focus.
  • 00:16:19.204 --> 00:16:21.706
  • Ai is going to change every job, and in the process,
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  • It will make americans more productive
  • 00:16:26.044 --> 00:16:28.180
  • And will benefit from that higher productivity.
  • 00:16:28.180 --> 00:16:30.282
  • That's always been important in raising the standard of living.
  • 00:16:30.282 --> 00:16:33.452
  • There will be some jobs that that we that we see
  • 00:16:33.452 --> 00:16:36.121
  • Get outsourced.
  • 00:16:36.121 --> 00:16:37.255
  • They're not going to be needed anymore.
  • 00:16:37.255 --> 00:16:38.857
  • And because they're the key will be to make sure
  • 00:16:38.857 --> 00:16:40.425
  • That we've done what we always do,
  • 00:16:40.425 --> 00:16:42.127
  • Which is take those things that are no longer the
  • 00:16:42.127 --> 00:16:44.996
  • The important items, like buggies
  • 00:16:44.996 --> 00:16:46.765
  • That became unimportant and move people into professions
  • 00:16:46.765 --> 00:16:49.601
  • That have some real prospects and give them a real paycheck.
  • 00:16:49.601 --> 00:16:53.105
  • So, it'll be a challenge, i think.
  • 00:16:53.105 --> 00:16:54.840
  • There's no question about that.
  • 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:55.774
  • But it's a great opportunity as well.
  • 00:16:55.774 --> 00:16:57.776
  • You know, i'm old enough to remember when the internet
  • 00:16:57.776 --> 00:16:59.411
  • Was coming online and some of the predictions
  • 00:16:59.411 --> 00:17:01.746
  • About what it would and wouldn't do.
  • 00:17:01.746 --> 00:17:03.148
  • And frankly, most of them were inaccurate.
  • 00:17:03.148 --> 00:17:05.617
  • So i feel that kind of way about ai.
  • 00:17:05.617 --> 00:17:07.152
  • It's going to be more about our character
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  • And how our character helps us shape that technology for
  • 00:17:09.121 --> 00:17:11.890
  • Good or evil.
  • 00:17:11.890 --> 00:17:12.791
  • It is absolutely about character.
  • 00:17:13.558 --> 00:17:15.760
  • There's a big, you know, tussle about regulating ai.
  • 00:17:15.760 --> 00:17:18.830
  • A lot of ai is just tools.
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  • If you use
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  • Ai to decide whether to pay a health insurance claim or not,
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  • It doesn't matter if it was ai or human.
  • 00:17:25.270 --> 00:17:27.105
  • What matters is whether you pay the right claims.
  • 00:17:27.105 --> 00:17:29.474
  • And we judged firms by whether they do that,
  • 00:17:29.474 --> 00:17:31.943
  • So that ai doesn't change any of that.
  • 00:17:31.943 --> 00:17:34.613
  • Then for the tough calls, it's the ethical use of ai
  • 00:17:34.613 --> 00:17:37.382
  • That we have to be cognizant of.
  • 00:17:37.382 --> 00:17:39.117
  • And making sure that people use ai ethically
  • 00:17:39.117 --> 00:17:42.020
  • Is more important than what ai is.
  • 00:17:42.020 --> 00:17:43.455
  • It's a human creation, and a human will run it.
  • 00:17:43.455 --> 00:17:46.625
  • And so we need to be cognizant of that and pay attention to
  • 00:17:46.625 --> 00:17:49.661
  • Our ethics.
  • 00:17:49.661 --> 00:17:50.695
  • Well, iran continues to dominate the news cycle,
  • 00:17:51.696 --> 00:17:54.166
  • And it seems we're always moments away from a ceasefire.
  • 00:17:54.166 --> 00:17:57.936
  • And yet the turmoil continues on.
  • 00:17:57.936 --> 00:18:01.173
  • What are the real world impacts
  • 00:18:01.173 --> 00:18:02.774
  • To our economy from that conflict in iran?
  • 00:18:02.774 --> 00:18:05.110
  • I know the strait of hormuz is part of that,
  • 00:18:05.110 --> 00:18:07.512
  • But can you help us a little bit with the bigger picture?
  • 00:18:07.512 --> 00:18:10.115
  • The strait of hormuz is part of that.
  • 00:18:10.115 --> 00:18:11.716
  • But, lingering, past
  • 00:18:11.716 --> 00:18:14.819
  • That is just a lot of uncertainty about,
  • 00:18:14.819 --> 00:18:18.023
  • The state of international relations.
  • 00:18:18.023 --> 00:18:19.524
  • And for the business community, that means, you know,
  • 00:18:19.524 --> 00:18:22.627
  • Where do i get my supplies from?
  • 00:18:22.627 --> 00:18:24.196
  • What do i do in the u.s.?
  • 00:18:24.196 --> 00:18:25.330
  • What do i you know, i have export, customers.
  • 00:18:25.330 --> 00:18:27.732
  • Am i going to be able to use the supply chains that i used to?
  • 00:18:27.732 --> 00:18:30.168
  • So it sort of freezes all that decision making,
  • 00:18:30.168 --> 00:18:32.370
  • And that's that's not great.
  • 00:18:32.370 --> 00:18:34.206
  • And as this sort of draws out, it's expensive.
  • 00:18:34.206 --> 00:18:37.309
  • It's we've spent, something like $70 million total, on this.
  • 00:18:37.309 --> 00:18:41.846
  • And we're going to have to
  • 00:18:41.846 --> 00:18:43.348
  • Replace all the munitions that have been used.
  • 00:18:43.348 --> 00:18:45.250
  • And that means more spending.
  • 00:18:45.250 --> 00:18:47.152
  • And, you know, we've not seen congress
  • 00:18:47.152 --> 00:18:48.887
  • Willing to cut somewhere else.
  • 00:18:48.887 --> 00:18:50.288
  • So that's more stress on the budget,
  • 00:18:50.288 --> 00:18:52.290
  • Which leads to more stress and interest rates.
  • 00:18:52.290 --> 00:18:54.459
  • You start getting stress on interest rates.
  • 00:18:54.459 --> 00:18:56.161
  • That's everything everywhere in the economy.
  • 00:18:56.161 --> 00:18:57.495
  • There's no way around that.
  • 00:18:57.495 --> 00:18:59.064
  • What about
  • 00:18:59.064 --> 00:18:59.898
  • I know there's been a reduction of oil
  • 00:18:59.898 --> 00:19:00.966
  • That's available for china from iran and venezuela.
  • 00:19:00.966 --> 00:19:03.969
  • So there's some sense that it's maybe a shift
  • 00:19:03.969 --> 00:19:06.271
  • In the balance of power or rebalancing trade.
  • 00:19:06.271 --> 00:19:08.807
  • So going to work in our favor over time.
  • 00:19:08.807 --> 00:19:11.643
  • One of the things we've learned
  • 00:19:12.277 --> 00:19:13.278
  • Is that, you know, this isn't, 2008 anymore.
  • 00:19:13.278 --> 00:19:16.348
  • And, the u.s.
  • 00:19:16.348 --> 00:19:17.949
  • Is the world's largest exporter of natural gas.
  • 00:19:17.949 --> 00:19:20.252
  • It's the largest producer and a major exporter of oil.
  • 00:19:20.252 --> 00:19:23.622
  • And these oil price shocks
  • 00:19:24.189 --> 00:19:25.290
  • Don't have the same impact that they used to
  • 00:19:25.290 --> 00:19:27.392
  • That that moves in the us favor.
  • 00:19:27.392 --> 00:19:29.361
  • We are the
  • 00:19:29.361 --> 00:19:30.328
  • The future of these energy supplies,
  • 00:19:30.328 --> 00:19:32.230
  • And they can't really be used to hold us hostage.
  • 00:19:32.230 --> 00:19:35.200
  • It can affect the globe, and they can affect,
  • 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:37.202
  • The pace of economic growth.
  • 00:19:37.202 --> 00:19:38.670
  • But the balance of power has already shifted,
  • 00:19:38.670 --> 00:19:40.538
  • And it's because of the production expansion
  • 00:19:40.538 --> 00:19:42.707
  • We've done over the past two decades.
  • 00:19:42.707 --> 00:19:45.110
  • One last question.
  • 00:19:45.110 --> 00:19:46.311
  • I know it's an election cycle.
  • 00:19:46.311 --> 00:19:47.579
  • And so there's a lot of polarization.
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  • Are you an optimist or a pessimist?
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  • When you look at the economy and our future?
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  • Oh, i'm an optimist.
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  • You know, the, the, the power of the american people
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  • To be productive, innovative and to succeed is unbounded.
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  • And all they need is the willingness
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  • Of the government to give them the freedom necessary to do it.
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  • And, we've always had a government
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  • That was wise enough to,
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  • To keep, relatively small and contained
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  • That to make sure that continues to be true.
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  • And we'll be fine.
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  • Doug, i thank you for your time today.
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  • We appreciate your thoughtful insight.
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  • Thank you. thanks for having me.
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  • In a moment, we'll look at some of your emails.
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  • We'll be right back.
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  • We'll be right back.
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  • Thank you for taking the time to send us your thoughts.
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  • Your emails and opinions are always a highlight.
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  • Paul, from maryland wrote, isn't it time to point out
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  • The undeniable fact
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  • That the 90 pounds of uranium in iran
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  • That threatened
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  • The entire western world, including every american,
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  • Was funded by the obama
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  • And more recently, the biden administration.
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  • How in the world is that not the buzz?
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  • Well, paul, it's an interesting observation,
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  • But i heard a conversation
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  • In the last day or two that fascinated me.
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  • It was an obama acolyte in the media cycle
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  • Comparing the obama iran deal with what
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  • Trump is accomplishing,
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  • And they were trying to say that they were very much parallel.
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  • I never thought i would hear the obama camp, obama
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  • Trying to allied themselves with trump's foreign policy.
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  • There must be the imagination that trump is succeeding,
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  • Or that group wouldn't be trying to stay on those coattails.
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  • Fascinating.
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  • God has to be moving in the earth.
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  • Harland from michigan wrote.
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  • Why is the end of life so ugly?
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  • Pain, physical disabilities, mental decline, anxiety
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  • And depression?
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  • It's a good question, harland.
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  • You know, the end of life is a transition
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  • And all transitions are difficult.
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  • They're never easy, does it?
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  • Doesn't matter what the transition is
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  • For the christ follower, the end of life is an upgrade.
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  • So it may be a difficult season and we recognize some decline
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  • As we age.
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  • But there is something that awaits us that far exceeds
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  • The pain of the deterioration of this temporary life
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  • Suit that we inhabit.
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  • It's the reason we choose jesus as lord and serve him
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  • With enthusiasm.
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  • God's moving in the earth.
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  • I hope you know him and i pray that you have a restful evening.
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  • God bless you.
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