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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Economic Outlook | Allen Jackson Now | May 27, 2026
- Well, good evening and welcome to nashville.
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- I'm alan jackson.
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- During the covid pandemic, americans were told
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- That the federal government
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- Had to move quickly and to spend aggressively.
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- Washington opened the spending floodgates.
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- They loosened safeguards and pushed enormous amounts
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- Of taxpayer money into emergency programs across the country.
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- Well, now we're seeing the consequences of what happens
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- When trillions of dollars move faster than accountability.
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- Tonight, one of the clearest examples
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- Is unfolding in minnesota,
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- Where federal prosecutors say a nonprofit organization called
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- Feeding our future
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- Became the center of what the justice department described
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- As the single largest covid fraud scheme in the country.
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- According to investigators, while the organization claimed
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- To be feeding millions of needy children
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- During the pandemic,
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- Fake meal accounts, fabricated paperwork, phony
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- Distribution sites and kickbacks
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- Were used to move enormous amounts
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- Of taxpayer money through the system.
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- Amy bok, the former head of the nonprofit well,
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- She was sentenced to nearly 42 years in prison
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- For orchestrating
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- What investigators say was a $250 million fraud scheme.
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- Prosecutors also allege taxpayer funds were funneled into
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- Luxury homes, expensive cars, international travel.
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- While the program itself,
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- It surged by nearly 2,800% in just one year.
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- Well, now another a
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- Major fraud case has emerged in the same state,
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- This time
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- Involving autism therapy centers accused of billing medicaid
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- For fake autism,
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- Diagnosis of children, and services
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- That may never have been provided.
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- The charges describe a scheme where defendants
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- Paid illegal cash kickbacks of approximately 300
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- To $1500 per child to parents that enrolled their children
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- In autism therapy services that were not needed.
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- Well, the white house says cases like
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- These are
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- Exactly why the administration launched a nationwide anti-fraud
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- Initiative in march.
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- It's an effort being led by vice president j.d.
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- Vance.
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- You know, i'm grateful for the steps
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- That are being taken by our current administration
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- To cut waste and fraud, to expose the looting of america.
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- Candidly, it's just stealing.
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- We need to reframe our expectations.
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- And it isn't just about making america great again.
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- It's about restoring integrity again.
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- Integrity matters.
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- Character still matters.
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- You know, fraud is kind of an antiseptic word.
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- It feels like it's victimless, but it's not victimless.
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- Fraud is stealing.
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- It's every bit as much as stealing.
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- As if somebody went to the bank and took money from the bank.
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- Your money. you're mine.
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- Fraud is.
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- If someone went to the local
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- Mom and pop shop, walked over to the cash register
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- While the owners weren't looking.
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- Broke it open and took the family's hard earned cash.
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- How would you feel if your car was stolen?
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- And then the police
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- Downplayed it and said, oh, your car really wasn't stolen.
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- Somebody fraudulently misplaced your car.
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- And to make matters worse, the authorities
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- Didn't do anything about it.
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- Nope.
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- The thief stole your car.
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- And there should be consequences
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- To the fullest extent of the law.
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- Accountability has been lacking across the board
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- With our elected officials.
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- When first confronted about the fraud,
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- Minnesota governor tim walz,
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- He pushed back, accusing
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- Republicans of politicizing the situation.
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- It actually took an independent journalist with a camera
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- And some curiosity
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- Not to state government, and certainly not
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- The mainstream media, to force national attention
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- Under the gravity of fraud taking place in plain sight.
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- It exposed a staggering failure of oversight.
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- There were whistleblowers, auditors and state employees
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- Who had reportedly raised concerns for years,
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- While taxpayer money just continued flowing out the door.
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- Well, upon this massive exposure of stealing
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- That happened under his watch, tim walz announced that
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- He's dropping his 2026 reelection bid for governor.
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- He also stated that he will never run
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- For an elected office again. never again.
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- Well, it's staggering to think that in our last
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- National election,
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- This man was positioned to be our nation's vice president.
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- There are people that suffer when other people steal.
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- Fraud is not a matter of opinion.
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- You're taking something you don't deserve
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- And you know it.
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- During the pandemic, covid money was introduced to the masses
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- Masses who by and large didn't go to work for
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- Several weeks or even months, but rather stayed home.
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- And when the population collected these covid checks,
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- It was like getting introduced
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- To some addictive substance cocaine.
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- Now we use society.
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- We've got an addiction.
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- We like the buzz, we like the outcome,
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- And we don't like to be told
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- We have to do the hard work
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- And become sober minded people again.
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- We don't like to be told that you can't
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- Spend what you don't earn.
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- We shouldn't spend time trying to figure out more ways
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- That we can game the system,
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- To get more free stuff from the government.
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- As a people who adhere to a biblical worldview.
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- Let's hold to the high ground.
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- Whether we're sellers,
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- Buyers, employers, employees, or service providers.
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- God expects us to act with fairness.
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- Unfortunately, many of us have forgotten
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- Or at least ignored god's instructions
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- And have adopted behaviors that reflect the culture around us.
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- The lord is not pleased
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- When we attempt to justify any kind of dishonesty.
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- Integrity is what god expects of his people,
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- And that is what each of us should strive for.
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- You can't give away your integrity
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- And think that you can maintain your momentum with god.
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- So let's decide, as people of god, to model
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- Integrity before others in all our interactions and dealings.
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- Let's make it our objective
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- To be men and women who are honest in every way.
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- Let's ask god to grow us, mold us, train us
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- So we're ready for whatever is ahead
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- Or that
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- We're going to be joined in
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- Just a moment by the co-chair of american prosperity
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- At the america first policy institute, michael ender.
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- I'll be right back.
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- Just after this break.
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- Just after this break.
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- We're joined tonight by the co-chair
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- Of american prosperity
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- At the america first policy institute, michael ender.
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- Welcome to the show, sir.
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- Great to be with you, michael.
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- President trump has been in office
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- For nearly a year and a half,
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- And he's been successful at a lot of things.
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- An unprecedented number of things.
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- But there still seem to be
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- Some lingering questions about the economy
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- And what it holds for the future.
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- What's your take on that?
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- Sure.
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- So if you look at the progress that the president has made,
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- You know,
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- On a number of different dimensions,
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- We have seen vast improvements over where things were
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- When the president first came into office.
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- And so if you look at the fact that we were able
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- To get the tax bill through the congress
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- And to the president's desk last july
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- So that the american people didn't realize a $4 trillion
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- Tax increase at the beginning of this year,
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- You see massive deregulation going on, whereby
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- The cost of businesses
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- To comply with various regulations has improved.
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- The president
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- Eliminated things
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- Like the electric vehicle mandate
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- So that people can buy the kinds of cars
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- They want to buy,
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- Rather than forced to buy cars that they're not interested in.
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- And we had made a lot of progress to continue.
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- What what began in the first term,
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- Which is to increase
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- Our capacity to engage in domestic energy production.
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- Now, obviously, recently, with the hostilities going on in
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- Iran, that has temporarily
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- Had some impact on the cost of oil
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- And therefore the cost of gasoline.
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- We keep hearing that the president
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- Is making a strong president, and his team
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- Are making strong progress on resolving that issue.
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- And so markets seem to be forecasting
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- That gas prices will be coming down
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- Later this summer and into the fall.
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- I'd say that's really
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- The biggest
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- Affordability challenge
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- That the american people have right now.
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- But again, every day the military and the president's
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- Diplomatic team continue to make progress.
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- To try to resolve that situation
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- And get the strait of hormuz reopened.
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- So fortunately, all of the other policies
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- Have given a lot of tailwinds to the economy.
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- And so, despite what normally would be
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- A very significant impact on the economy of
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- Of the very fast rising gas prices, you've seen
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- The economies resiliency and it's still continue to grow.
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- And then finally, let me mention that,
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- With the improvements in the artificial intelligence
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- That has enormous opportunities for us to be significantly
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- More productive, and it's ultimately productivity
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- That helps get people higher wages.
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- And also,
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- It has enormous
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- National security implications because we need to
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- Win the ai race against china.
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- So there are on so many different dimensions.
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- The president and his team are moving very quickly.
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- And we had api.
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- We're very happy
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- To have participated in creating a lot of the agenda
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- That the administration implemented in its first year.
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- And i think
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- We're really starting to see the benefits of it.
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- And that will really become clear
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- After this issue in the middle east gets resolved.
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- Well, you mentioned the big beautiful bill and the tax cuts
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- That were part of that.
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- It's tax season again.
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- My appetite for paying taxes has been pretty
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- Significantly diminished
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- By all the news of the fraud that is so rampant.
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- Watch this comment by somebody
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- Who's saying those days are coming to an end.
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- And then i want to get your comment.
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- And now my message to the fraudsters
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- Is this eat, drink and be merry.
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- Today because your days of frolicking
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- And freedom are numbered.
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- We are doing everything we can to find you
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- And when we do, we will prosecute you
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- And we will claw back every dollar you have stolen
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- From the american people.
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- I think all of us are appalled
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- By the magnitude of the fraud that's been taking place.
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- Do you think we can really make a meaningful difference
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- In this habit that's become so entrenched?
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- I really do,
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- Because all too often what has happened
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- Is that in the states in particular,
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- And unfortunately, it's largely a number of the blue states
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- Have not done the investigations into how federal money
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- That comes out to the states through various block
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- Grant programs are being utilized.
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- These states are just more than happy to have the money go out.
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- And they have not at all
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- Been seeing
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- Whether it has gone to the right people
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- Or is it instead gone to the fraudsters.
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- And so whether it's the fraud
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- That's been uncovered
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- In minnesota or it's what's going on in california,
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- What congress really needs to do.
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- And you see vice president vance really leading
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- The investigation into where this fraud is taking place.
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- But what congress needs to do is make sure
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- That these states and localities that receive federal money
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- Are actually enforcing the law that they are investigating
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- Whether the people that are receiving
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- These grants are actually eligible,
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- That they're using it for the intended purpose,
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- Rather than it going to various fraud activities.
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- And i think just the attention that the
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- These recent incidents have generated
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- And the outrage of the american people
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- Are really going to force
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- Some of these local and state governments
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- To spend more attention on where this money is going,
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- And put in place
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- The resources to make sure that it is not being
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- Taken up by the fraudsters,
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- Because there are estimates that it's in the tens,
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- If not hundreds of billions of dollars per year.
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- That is going to fraud and using modern technology
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- Using investigatory devices that already exist.
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- We should be able to cut back on a number of those
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- Of those fraud schemes.
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- Well, inflation continues to
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- Be a leading concern for working families.
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- You think we're doing everything we can
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- Or what can be done to curb that inflation?
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- Challenge is still is such a real thing.
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- Yeah.
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- So on inflation let me say that obviously
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- There's the gas price piece that has been driving
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- A lot of the inflation number the last two months.
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- But beyond that
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- There are things that we can do to bring down the cost
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- Of new construction on housing.
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- So housing is about a third of of the average americans budget.
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- And so bringing down the cost of construction
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- By everything from the zoning and permitting laws to,
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- Bringing down the cost of all of the inputs
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- That go into a house.
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- By the by doing deregulatory actions
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- All throughout our government at the federal level,
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- The state level and the local level, we can bring that down.
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- Second,
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- I've i've been of the view
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- That what needs to happen is congress
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- Needs to get our budget under control
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- Because the other part
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- Of housing unaffordability is how high interest rates are.
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- And if we can bring down interest rates,
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- That's going to help make housing more affordable.
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- And that means that we need to bring down
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- We need to greatly reduce the amount of borrowing
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- The government is doing, which crowds out
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- Mortgage lending that's going on.
- 00:12:49.628 --> 00:12:51.530
- Another thing we need to do is continue
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- To unleash american energy dominance.
- 00:12:53.131 --> 00:12:55.167
- The president really started
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- On this strategy during the first term.
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- We need to do even more of that.
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- And i am convinced
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- That increasing the available the availability
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- Of nuclear reactors.
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- I think that with advancements in technology and these new
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- Small modular reactors has enormous opportunity
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- For us to greatly decrease electricity prices.
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- And then finally, let me say that food prices,
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- They also would benefit because a lot of people don't know that
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- One of the biggest cost inputs into food is fertilizer.
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- And fertilizer, of course, comes from natural gas.
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- And so if we can unleash
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- American energy production of natural gas,
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- That's going to bring down the cost of fertilizer
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- That will ultimately bring down the cost of food.
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- So there's a lot of progress
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- That the trump administration has made,
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- Which is why you're seeing inflation numbers
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- That are significantly lower
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- Than what they were during the biden administration
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- Resolution of the war in iran, and then continuing on the
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- Administration's energy push.
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- I think those are the
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- Most important things we can do to continue to bring down
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- The costs of of life for the american people.
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- Well, president trump has slowed the growth of inflation.
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- You can't
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- Eliminate the consequences of the inflation
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- Under the previous administration.
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- And it feels like on that point,
- 00:14:08.674 --> 00:14:10.208
- The the messaging battle gets lost and trump
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- Gets hung with the consequences of previous administrations.
- 00:14:13.612 --> 00:14:16.782
- How do we help the american people understand
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- What's really happening?
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- Right.
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- I think we need to
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- Just constantly remind people that if you look at the increase
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- In prices from, say,
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- Where things were nine years ago,
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- When when president trump started his first year,
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- The vast majority of the price increases
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- That we've seen over the last nine years
- 00:14:32.698 --> 00:14:34.232
- That we're still paying for those occurred
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- During the four years of the biden administration.
- 00:14:36.234 --> 00:14:38.870
- And so, you know, if you look at we had we had less than
- 00:14:38.870 --> 00:14:41.974
- 2% annualized rates of inflation during the biden years.
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- It was about 5%, sorry,
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- We had less than 2% during
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- The first four years of the trump administration.
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- It was a 5%.
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- During the biden administration, you know, two and a half times
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- What it was during the first four years of trump.
- 00:14:54.653 --> 00:14:57.155
- And that's entirely because of the blowout
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- Spending that the that the biden administration engaged in
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- And the horrific costs
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- That they imposed on american manufacturers
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- And american businesses through the regulatory compliance
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- That they mandated.
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- So by by coming into office, providing tax certainty,
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- By deregulating, by bringing on more energy
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- And by negotiating trade deals that are going to be beneficial
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- Long term to the american people.
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- All of those things are going to help continue to bring,
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- Prices back to affordability levels.
- 00:15:30.355 --> 00:15:33.191
- And then finally, you're seeing that wages
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- Are going up under this administration.
- 00:15:35.027 --> 00:15:36.895
- Wages did not keep up with inflation
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- During the biden administration during both trump terms.
- 00:15:39.331 --> 00:15:42.701
- Wage increases have outpaced inflation.
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- And that's really what it means to make things more affordable.
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- Well, michael, we need to take a short break.
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- Can you stand by for another segment?
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- Absolutely.
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- We're back now with the co-chair of american prosperity at the
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- America first policy institute, michael falk, under michael.
- 00:16:17.303 --> 00:16:21.607
- There is growing concern over
- 00:16:21.607 --> 00:16:22.975
- America's national debt crossing some historic limits.
- 00:16:22.975 --> 00:16:27.113
- What's the solution to that?
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- And is the concern about that legitimate?
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- The concern is absolutely legitimate because
- 00:16:33.419 --> 00:16:36.055
- Higher national debt create more pressure on interest rates.
- 00:16:36.055 --> 00:16:39.892
- And that doesn't just affect how much of the government's
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- Money goes towards interest payments, but it raises
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- Things like mortgage rates and car loan rates.
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- Consumer credit card rates.
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- So the interest rates that all of us are reliant upon
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- For our own personal lives,
- 00:16:54.040 --> 00:16:55.808
- Those end up being higher because of the national debt
- 00:16:55.808 --> 00:16:59.512
- And the out-of-control deficits that we're running now.
- 00:16:59.512 --> 00:17:02.281
- Let me correct what for many people is is a misperception.
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- They might think that, you know, the democrats are regularly
- 00:17:05.818 --> 00:17:08.855
- Trying to blame tax cuts.
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- If you look at the portion of our national economy
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- That goes to taxes, it's about 17% every year.
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- And that's current.
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- That's where it's at now.
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- That's where it's been
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- For most of the history from world war two until now.
- 00:17:20.099 --> 00:17:23.903
- What changed was spending.
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- So up until the pandemic, the federal government
- 00:17:25.805 --> 00:17:28.241
- Was spending about 20% of national output.
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- So we were running a 3% deficit.
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- But that's arguably sustainable.
- 00:17:33.312 --> 00:17:36.249
- That number has been closer to 23 to 24% every year
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- Since the pandemic.
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- And that's why we're running now 6 to 7%
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- Of national output deficits rather than just 3%.
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- So it's this massive increase in spending again, instead
- 00:17:46.826 --> 00:17:50.730
- Of 20% of national output, it's 23%, 24%
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- That's being spent by the federal government.
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- And that number looks like it's going to continue to rise
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- Until congress decides that it's going to start making
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- Trade offs,
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- That it's going to go in and say,
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- We can't afford to do certain things anymore.
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- There are programs that need to be curtailed.
- 00:18:06.612 --> 00:18:09.248
- There were spending obligations that were entered into that.
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- We need to take another look at
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- And see whether or not they're effective anymore.
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- We talked in the earlier break about, fraud.
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- We need to
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- We need to redouble our efforts to make sure
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- That we're getting the fraud out of there.
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- When i was the deputy secretary of the treasury,
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- You look at the number of people
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- We employed, for instance, at the irs,
- 00:18:28.267 --> 00:18:30.970
- We can greatly reduce that.
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- If we would modernize
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- The technology that the federal government uses
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- To match more what we see in the private sector.
- 00:18:37.643 --> 00:18:39.745
- So there are a number of places
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- Where congress can apply modern technology, modern
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- Private sector business practices,
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- But also modernize some of the programs
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- And the spending that's been going on for decades,
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- Because we need to get spending back
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- Down to a sustainable level.
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- Well, the general public seems to be responding.
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- There's a significant migration from high tax states
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- To the lower tax states.
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- What impact is that going to have
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- On policy and overall our overall economy?
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- You're absolutely correct.
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- I mean, you know, one of the things is
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- I and as an economist watcher, where the u-haul is going right.
- 00:19:12.111 --> 00:19:15.948
- And if you look that they're
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- Coming out of places like illinois,
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- California and new york,
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- And they're going to places like texas and florida,
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- And that's because, as you said, they've got tax environments
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- And government environments,
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- You know,
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- That that are more conducive to people keeping more money
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- In their pockets.
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- One of the staggering statistics that i was told recently is
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- The state of new york has fewer people
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- Than the state of florida,
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- And yet the state of new york spends twice
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- What the state of florida spends
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- To provide state level government services.
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- And as a result of it, tax rates in new york
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- Are significantly higher than what they are down in florida.
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- And so people are renting those one way you halls
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- In order to move to lower cost places, to places of living.
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- And what that means
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- Is that you're going to continue to see more
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- And more of the representation in congress.
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- It's going to have
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- Huge implications when we do the 2030 census,
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- Because it means blue states like new york and california
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- Are going to lose representation in the electoral college
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- And in the congress,
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- And instead that those votes are going to move
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- To places like texas and florida.
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- And hopefully what that means is that the federal government
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- Will take its lead from the red states and see
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- How do we make our our activities more efficient.
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- How do we reduce the, the, the burden
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- On taxpayers from the provision of government services?
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- Because, as i said, at the federal level
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- And at some of these blue states,
- 00:20:41.967 --> 00:20:43.536
- It is on an unsustainable path and people are voting
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- With their feet.
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- Michael, we've got just about a minute left.
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- I want to play a lightning round.
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- Short answers to some quick questions.
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- One word to describe the current economy.
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- It is getting.
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- It'll get a lot better once we get the war in iran resolved.
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- Biggest economic threat?
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- China.
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- Debt or inflation?
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- Debt rate cuts this year.
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- Yes or no?
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- Maybe.
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- One final question.
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- Will americans be better off financially by next year?
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- Yes. the war in iran will come to an end,
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- And that will greatly increase the household budget.
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- Awesome. thank you for your time today.
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- We always appreciate your thoughtful insights.
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- Great to be with you in a moment.
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- Your emails.
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- Your emails.
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- Thank you for your emails.
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- Jack from new jersey.
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- He's got an interesting idea
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- With a trillion per year of stealing
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- It, were caught and reversed.
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- It would take 40 years to pay off our national debt
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- With that alone, not including any other monies.
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- I think beyond the totals on the amounts, jack,
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- We've got to change the attitude, the character fracture
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- That allows tens of thousands of us to be okay with stealing.
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- If we come back to
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- The practicing
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- The simple truths that we know be a better place for everybody.
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- Folks, god's moving in the earth.
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- Let's decide to be a part of that.
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- Thank you for spending a few minutes of your day with us.
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- God bless you and good night.
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