Allen Jackson: Economic Outlook | Allen Jackson Now

May 27, 2026 | 22:26

Michael Faulkender joins Allen Jackson to discuss current events.

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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Economic Outlook | Allen Jackson Now | May 27, 2026
  • Well, good evening and welcome to nashville.
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  • I'm alan jackson.
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  • During the covid pandemic, americans were told
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  • That the federal government
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  • Had to move quickly and to spend aggressively.
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  • Washington opened the spending floodgates.
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  • They loosened safeguards and pushed enormous amounts
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  • Of taxpayer money into emergency programs across the country.
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  • Well, now we're seeing the consequences of what happens
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  • When trillions of dollars move faster than accountability.
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  • Tonight, one of the clearest examples
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  • Is unfolding in minnesota,
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  • Where federal prosecutors say a nonprofit organization called
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  • Feeding our future
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  • Became the center of what the justice department described
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  • As the single largest covid fraud scheme in the country.
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  • According to investigators, while the organization claimed
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  • To be feeding millions of needy children
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  • During the pandemic,
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  • Fake meal accounts, fabricated paperwork, phony
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  • Distribution sites and kickbacks
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  • Were used to move enormous amounts
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  • Of taxpayer money through the system.
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  • Amy bok, the former head of the nonprofit well,
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  • She was sentenced to nearly 42 years in prison
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  • For orchestrating
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  • What investigators say was a $250 million fraud scheme.
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  • Prosecutors also allege taxpayer funds were funneled into
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  • Luxury homes, expensive cars, international travel.
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  • While the program itself,
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  • It surged by nearly 2,800% in just one year.
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  • Well, now another a
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  • Major fraud case has emerged in the same state,
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  • This time
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  • Involving autism therapy centers accused of billing medicaid
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  • For fake autism,
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  • Diagnosis of children, and services
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  • That may never have been provided.
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  • The charges describe a scheme where defendants
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  • Paid illegal cash kickbacks of approximately 300
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  • To $1500 per child to parents that enrolled their children
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  • In autism therapy services that were not needed.
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  • Well, the white house says cases like
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  • These are
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  • Exactly why the administration launched a nationwide anti-fraud
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  • Initiative in march.
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  • It's an effort being led by vice president j.d.
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  • Vance.
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  • You know, i'm grateful for the steps
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  • That are being taken by our current administration
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  • To cut waste and fraud, to expose the looting of america.
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  • Candidly, it's just stealing.
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  • We need to reframe our expectations.
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  • And it isn't just about making america great again.
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  • It's about restoring integrity again.
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  • Integrity matters.
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  • Character still matters.
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  • You know, fraud is kind of an antiseptic word.
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  • It feels like it's victimless, but it's not victimless.
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  • Fraud is stealing.
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  • It's every bit as much as stealing.
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  • As if somebody went to the bank and took money from the bank.
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  • Your money. you're mine.
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  • Fraud is.
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  • If someone went to the local
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  • Mom and pop shop, walked over to the cash register
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  • While the owners weren't looking.
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  • Broke it open and took the family's hard earned cash.
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  • How would you feel if your car was stolen?
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  • And then the police
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  • Downplayed it and said, oh, your car really wasn't stolen.
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  • Somebody fraudulently misplaced your car.
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  • And to make matters worse, the authorities
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  • Didn't do anything about it.
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  • Nope.
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  • The thief stole your car.
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  • And there should be consequences
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  • To the fullest extent of the law.
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  • Accountability has been lacking across the board
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  • With our elected officials.
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  • When first confronted about the fraud,
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  • Minnesota governor tim walz,
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  • He pushed back, accusing
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  • Republicans of politicizing the situation.
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  • It actually took an independent journalist with a camera
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  • And some curiosity
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  • Not to state government, and certainly not
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  • The mainstream media, to force national attention
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  • Under the gravity of fraud taking place in plain sight.
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  • It exposed a staggering failure of oversight.
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  • There were whistleblowers, auditors and state employees
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  • Who had reportedly raised concerns for years,
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  • While taxpayer money just continued flowing out the door.
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  • Well, upon this massive exposure of stealing
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  • That happened under his watch, tim walz announced that
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  • He's dropping his 2026 reelection bid for governor.
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  • He also stated that he will never run
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  • For an elected office again. never again.
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  • Well, it's staggering to think that in our last
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  • National election,
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  • This man was positioned to be our nation's vice president.
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  • There are people that suffer when other people steal.
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  • Fraud is not a matter of opinion.
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  • You're taking something you don't deserve
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  • And you know it.
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  • During the pandemic, covid money was introduced to the masses
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  • Masses who by and large didn't go to work for
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  • Several weeks or even months, but rather stayed home.
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  • And when the population collected these covid checks,
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  • It was like getting introduced
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  • To some addictive substance cocaine.
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  • Now we use society.
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  • We've got an addiction.
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  • We like the buzz, we like the outcome,
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  • And we don't like to be told
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  • We have to do the hard work
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  • And become sober minded people again.
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  • We don't like to be told that you can't
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  • Spend what you don't earn.
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  • We shouldn't spend time trying to figure out more ways
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  • That we can game the system,
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  • To get more free stuff from the government.
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  • As a people who adhere to a biblical worldview.
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  • Let's hold to the high ground.
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  • Whether we're sellers,
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  • Buyers, employers, employees, or service providers.
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  • God expects us to act with fairness.
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  • Unfortunately, many of us have forgotten
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  • Or at least ignored god's instructions
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  • And have adopted behaviors that reflect the culture around us.
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  • The lord is not pleased
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  • When we attempt to justify any kind of dishonesty.
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  • Integrity is what god expects of his people,
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  • And that is what each of us should strive for.
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  • You can't give away your integrity
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  • And think that you can maintain your momentum with god.
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  • So let's decide, as people of god, to model
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  • Integrity before others in all our interactions and dealings.
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  • Let's make it our objective
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  • To be men and women who are honest in every way.
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  • Let's ask god to grow us, mold us, train us
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  • So we're ready for whatever is ahead
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  • Or that
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  • We're going to be joined in
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  • Just a moment by the co-chair of american prosperity
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  • At the america first policy institute, michael ender.
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  • I'll be right back.
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  • Just after this break.
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  • Just after this break.
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  • We're joined tonight by the co-chair
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  • Of american prosperity
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  • At the america first policy institute, michael ender.
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  • Welcome to the show, sir.
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  • Great to be with you, michael.
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  • President trump has been in office
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  • For nearly a year and a half,
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  • And he's been successful at a lot of things.
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  • An unprecedented number of things.
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  • But there still seem to be
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  • Some lingering questions about the economy
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  • And what it holds for the future.
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  • What's your take on that?
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  • Sure.
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  • So if you look at the progress that the president has made,
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  • You know,
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  • On a number of different dimensions,
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  • We have seen vast improvements over where things were
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  • When the president first came into office.
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  • And so if you look at the fact that we were able
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  • To get the tax bill through the congress
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  • And to the president's desk last july
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  • So that the american people didn't realize a $4 trillion
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  • Tax increase at the beginning of this year,
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  • You see massive deregulation going on, whereby
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  • The cost of businesses
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  • To comply with various regulations has improved.
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  • The president
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  • Eliminated things
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  • Like the electric vehicle mandate
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  • So that people can buy the kinds of cars
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  • They want to buy,
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  • Rather than forced to buy cars that they're not interested in.
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  • And we had made a lot of progress to continue.
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  • What what began in the first term,
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  • Which is to increase
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  • Our capacity to engage in domestic energy production.
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  • Now, obviously, recently, with the hostilities going on in
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  • Iran, that has temporarily
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  • Had some impact on the cost of oil
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  • And therefore the cost of gasoline.
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  • We keep hearing that the president
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  • Is making a strong president, and his team
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  • Are making strong progress on resolving that issue.
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  • And so markets seem to be forecasting
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  • That gas prices will be coming down
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  • Later this summer and into the fall.
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  • I'd say that's really
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  • The biggest
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  • Affordability challenge
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  • That the american people have right now.
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  • But again, every day the military and the president's
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  • Diplomatic team continue to make progress.
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  • To try to resolve that situation
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  • And get the strait of hormuz reopened.
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  • So fortunately, all of the other policies
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  • Have given a lot of tailwinds to the economy.
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  • And so, despite what normally would be
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  • A very significant impact on the economy of
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  • Of the very fast rising gas prices, you've seen
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  • The economies resiliency and it's still continue to grow.
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  • And then finally, let me mention that,
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  • With the improvements in the artificial intelligence
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  • That has enormous opportunities for us to be significantly
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  • More productive, and it's ultimately productivity
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  • That helps get people higher wages.
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  • And also,
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  • It has enormous
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  • National security implications because we need to
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  • Win the ai race against china.
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  • So there are on so many different dimensions.
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  • The president and his team are moving very quickly.
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  • And we had api.
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  • We're very happy
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  • To have participated in creating a lot of the agenda
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  • That the administration implemented in its first year.
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  • And i think
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  • We're really starting to see the benefits of it.
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  • And that will really become clear
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  • After this issue in the middle east gets resolved.
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  • Well, you mentioned the big beautiful bill and the tax cuts
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  • That were part of that.
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  • It's tax season again.
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  • My appetite for paying taxes has been pretty
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  • Significantly diminished
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  • By all the news of the fraud that is so rampant.
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  • Watch this comment by somebody
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  • Who's saying those days are coming to an end.
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  • And then i want to get your comment.
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  • And now my message to the fraudsters
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  • Is this eat, drink and be merry.
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  • Today because your days of frolicking
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  • And freedom are numbered.
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  • We are doing everything we can to find you
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  • And when we do, we will prosecute you
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  • And we will claw back every dollar you have stolen
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  • From the american people.
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  • I think all of us are appalled
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  • By the magnitude of the fraud that's been taking place.
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  • Do you think we can really make a meaningful difference
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  • In this habit that's become so entrenched?
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  • I really do,
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  • Because all too often what has happened
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  • Is that in the states in particular,
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  • And unfortunately, it's largely a number of the blue states
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  • Have not done the investigations into how federal money
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  • That comes out to the states through various block
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  • Grant programs are being utilized.
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  • These states are just more than happy to have the money go out.
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  • And they have not at all
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  • Been seeing
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  • Whether it has gone to the right people
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  • Or is it instead gone to the fraudsters.
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  • And so whether it's the fraud
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  • That's been uncovered
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  • In minnesota or it's what's going on in california,
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  • What congress really needs to do.
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  • And you see vice president vance really leading
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  • The investigation into where this fraud is taking place.
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  • But what congress needs to do is make sure
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  • That these states and localities that receive federal money
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  • Are actually enforcing the law that they are investigating
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  • Whether the people that are receiving
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  • These grants are actually eligible,
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  • That they're using it for the intended purpose,
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  • Rather than it going to various fraud activities.
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  • And i think just the attention that the
  • 00:11:05.157 --> 00:11:07.326
  • These recent incidents have generated
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  • And the outrage of the american people
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  • Are really going to force
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  • Some of these local and state governments
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  • To spend more attention on where this money is going,
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  • And put in place
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  • The resources to make sure that it is not being
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  • Taken up by the fraudsters,
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  • Because there are estimates that it's in the tens,
  • 00:11:23.976 --> 00:11:26.545
  • If not hundreds of billions of dollars per year.
  • 00:11:26.545 --> 00:11:29.381
  • That is going to fraud and using modern technology
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  • Using investigatory devices that already exist.
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  • We should be able to cut back on a number of those
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  • Of those fraud schemes.
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  • Well, inflation continues to
  • 00:11:41.827 --> 00:11:43.395
  • Be a leading concern for working families.
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  • You think we're doing everything we can
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  • Or what can be done to curb that inflation?
  • 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:49.802
  • Challenge is still is such a real thing.
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  • Yeah.
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  • So on inflation let me say that obviously
  • 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:55.340
  • There's the gas price piece that has been driving
  • 00:11:55.340 --> 00:11:57.609
  • A lot of the inflation number the last two months.
  • 00:11:57.609 --> 00:11:59.845
  • But beyond that
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  • There are things that we can do to bring down the cost
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  • Of new construction on housing.
  • 00:12:03.749 --> 00:12:05.217
  • So housing is about a third of of the average americans budget.
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  • And so bringing down the cost of construction
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  • By everything from the zoning and permitting laws to,
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  • Bringing down the cost of all of the inputs
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  • That go into a house.
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  • By the by doing deregulatory actions
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  • All throughout our government at the federal level,
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  • The state level and the local level, we can bring that down.
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  • Second,
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  • I've i've been of the view
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  • That what needs to happen is congress
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  • Needs to get our budget under control
  • 00:12:31.877 --> 00:12:33.979
  • Because the other part
  • 00:12:33.979 --> 00:12:35.647
  • Of housing unaffordability is how high interest rates are.
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  • And if we can bring down interest rates,
  • 00:12:39.051 --> 00:12:40.953
  • That's going to help make housing more affordable.
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  • And that means that we need to bring down
  • 00:12:43.222 --> 00:12:45.157
  • We need to greatly reduce the amount of borrowing
  • 00:12:45.157 --> 00:12:47.326
  • The government is doing, which crowds out
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  • Mortgage lending that's going on.
  • 00:12:49.628 --> 00:12:51.530
  • Another thing we need to do is continue
  • 00:12:51.530 --> 00:12:53.131
  • To unleash american energy dominance.
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  • The president really started
  • 00:12:55.167 --> 00:12:56.368
  • On this strategy during the first term.
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  • We need to do even more of that.
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  • And i am convinced
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  • That increasing the available the availability
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  • Of nuclear reactors.
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  • I think that with advancements in technology and these new
  • 00:13:05.811 --> 00:13:10.215
  • Small modular reactors has enormous opportunity
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  • For us to greatly decrease electricity prices.
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  • And then finally, let me say that food prices,
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  • They also would benefit because a lot of people don't know that
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  • One of the biggest cost inputs into food is fertilizer.
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  • And fertilizer, of course, comes from natural gas.
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  • And so if we can unleash
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  • American energy production of natural gas,
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  • That's going to bring down the cost of fertilizer
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  • That will ultimately bring down the cost of food.
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  • So there's a lot of progress
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  • That the trump administration has made,
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  • Which is why you're seeing inflation numbers
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  • That are significantly lower
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  • Than what they were during the biden administration
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  • Resolution of the war in iran, and then continuing on the
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  • Administration's energy push.
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  • I think those are the
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  • Most important things we can do to continue to bring down
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  • The costs of of life for the american people.
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  • Well, president trump has slowed the growth of inflation.
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  • You can't
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  • Eliminate the consequences of the inflation
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  • Under the previous administration.
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  • And it feels like on that point,
  • 00:14:08.674 --> 00:14:10.208
  • The the messaging battle gets lost and trump
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  • Gets hung with the consequences of previous administrations.
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  • How do we help the american people understand
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  • What's really happening?
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  • Right.
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  • I think we need to
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  • Just constantly remind people that if you look at the increase
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  • In prices from, say,
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  • Where things were nine years ago,
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  • When when president trump started his first year,
  • 00:14:27.993 --> 00:14:30.629
  • The vast majority of the price increases
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  • That we've seen over the last nine years
  • 00:14:32.698 --> 00:14:34.232
  • That we're still paying for those occurred
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  • During the four years of the biden administration.
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  • And so, you know, if you look at we had we had less than
  • 00:14:38.870 --> 00:14:41.974
  • 2% annualized rates of inflation during the biden years.
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  • It was about 5%, sorry,
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  • We had less than 2% during
  • 00:14:47.212 --> 00:14:48.513
  • The first four years of the trump administration.
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  • It was a 5%.
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  • During the biden administration, you know, two and a half times
  • 00:14:51.817 --> 00:14:54.653
  • What it was during the first four years of trump.
  • 00:14:54.653 --> 00:14:57.155
  • And that's entirely because of the blowout
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  • Spending that the that the biden administration engaged in
  • 00:14:59.358 --> 00:15:03.028
  • And the horrific costs
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  • That they imposed on american manufacturers
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  • And american businesses through the regulatory compliance
  • 00:15:07.866 --> 00:15:11.470
  • That they mandated.
  • 00:15:11.470 --> 00:15:12.637
  • So by by coming into office, providing tax certainty,
  • 00:15:12.637 --> 00:15:17.242
  • By deregulating, by bringing on more energy
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  • And by negotiating trade deals that are going to be beneficial
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  • Long term to the american people.
  • 00:15:24.850 --> 00:15:26.051
  • All of those things are going to help continue to bring,
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  • Prices back to affordability levels.
  • 00:15:30.355 --> 00:15:33.191
  • And then finally, you're seeing that wages
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  • Are going up under this administration.
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  • Wages did not keep up with inflation
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  • During the biden administration during both trump terms.
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  • Wage increases have outpaced inflation.
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  • And that's really what it means to make things more affordable.
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  • Well, michael, we need to take a short break.
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  • Can you stand by for another segment?
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  • We're back now with the co-chair of american prosperity at the
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  • America first policy institute, michael falk, under michael.
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  • There is growing concern over
  • 00:16:21.607 --> 00:16:22.975
  • America's national debt crossing some historic limits.
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  • What's the solution to that?
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  • And is the concern about that legitimate?
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  • The concern is absolutely legitimate because
  • 00:16:33.419 --> 00:16:36.055
  • Higher national debt create more pressure on interest rates.
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  • And that doesn't just affect how much of the government's
  • 00:16:39.892 --> 00:16:43.196
  • Money goes towards interest payments, but it raises
  • 00:16:43.196 --> 00:16:45.698
  • Things like mortgage rates and car loan rates.
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  • Consumer credit card rates.
  • 00:16:48.768 --> 00:16:50.136
  • So the interest rates that all of us are reliant upon
  • 00:16:50.136 --> 00:16:54.040
  • For our own personal lives,
  • 00:16:54.040 --> 00:16:55.808
  • Those end up being higher because of the national debt
  • 00:16:55.808 --> 00:16:59.512
  • And the out-of-control deficits that we're running now.
  • 00:16:59.512 --> 00:17:02.281
  • Let me correct what for many people is is a misperception.
  • 00:17:02.281 --> 00:17:05.818
  • They might think that, you know, the democrats are regularly
  • 00:17:05.818 --> 00:17:08.855
  • Trying to blame tax cuts.
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  • If you look at the portion of our national economy
  • 00:17:10.490 --> 00:17:13.526
  • That goes to taxes, it's about 17% every year.
  • 00:17:13.526 --> 00:17:17.296
  • And that's current.
  • 00:17:17.296 --> 00:17:17.964
  • That's where it's at now.
  • 00:17:17.964 --> 00:17:18.965
  • That's where it's been
  • 00:17:18.965 --> 00:17:20.099
  • For most of the history from world war two until now.
  • 00:17:20.099 --> 00:17:23.903
  • What changed was spending.
  • 00:17:23.903 --> 00:17:25.805
  • So up until the pandemic, the federal government
  • 00:17:25.805 --> 00:17:28.241
  • Was spending about 20% of national output.
  • 00:17:28.241 --> 00:17:30.843
  • So we were running a 3% deficit.
  • 00:17:30.843 --> 00:17:33.312
  • But that's arguably sustainable.
  • 00:17:33.312 --> 00:17:36.249
  • That number has been closer to 23 to 24% every year
  • 00:17:36.249 --> 00:17:39.719
  • Since the pandemic.
  • 00:17:39.719 --> 00:17:40.953
  • And that's why we're running now 6 to 7%
  • 00:17:40.953 --> 00:17:43.789
  • Of national output deficits rather than just 3%.
  • 00:17:43.789 --> 00:17:46.826
  • So it's this massive increase in spending again, instead
  • 00:17:46.826 --> 00:17:50.730
  • Of 20% of national output, it's 23%, 24%
  • 00:17:50.730 --> 00:17:54.600
  • That's being spent by the federal government.
  • 00:17:54.600 --> 00:17:56.169
  • And that number looks like it's going to continue to rise
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  • Until congress decides that it's going to start making
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  • Trade offs,
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  • That it's going to go in and say,
  • 00:18:02.808 --> 00:18:04.377
  • We can't afford to do certain things anymore.
  • 00:18:04.377 --> 00:18:06.612
  • There are programs that need to be curtailed.
  • 00:18:06.612 --> 00:18:09.248
  • There were spending obligations that were entered into that.
  • 00:18:09.248 --> 00:18:12.952
  • We need to take another look at
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  • And see whether or not they're effective anymore.
  • 00:18:14.687 --> 00:18:16.556
  • We talked in the earlier break about, fraud.
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  • We need to
  • 00:18:19.892 --> 00:18:20.860
  • We need to redouble our efforts to make sure
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  • That we're getting the fraud out of there.
  • 00:18:22.595 --> 00:18:24.664
  • When i was the deputy secretary of the treasury,
  • 00:18:24.664 --> 00:18:26.966
  • You look at the number of people
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  • We employed, for instance, at the irs,
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  • We can greatly reduce that.
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  • If we would modernize
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  • The technology that the federal government uses
  • 00:18:34.373 --> 00:18:37.643
  • To match more what we see in the private sector.
  • 00:18:37.643 --> 00:18:39.745
  • So there are a number of places
  • 00:18:39.745 --> 00:18:41.247
  • Where congress can apply modern technology, modern
  • 00:18:41.247 --> 00:18:45.017
  • Private sector business practices,
  • 00:18:45.017 --> 00:18:46.852
  • But also modernize some of the programs
  • 00:18:46.852 --> 00:18:49.722
  • And the spending that's been going on for decades,
  • 00:18:49.722 --> 00:18:52.692
  • Because we need to get spending back
  • 00:18:52.692 --> 00:18:54.393
  • Down to a sustainable level.
  • 00:18:54.393 --> 00:18:55.928
  • Well, the general public seems to be responding.
  • 00:18:56.896 --> 00:18:58.965
  • There's a significant migration from high tax states
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  • To the lower tax states.
  • 00:19:02.101 --> 00:19:04.036
  • What impact is that going to have
  • 00:19:04.036 --> 00:19:05.638
  • On policy and overall our overall economy?
  • 00:19:05.638 --> 00:19:09.008
  • You're absolutely correct.
  • 00:19:09.575 --> 00:19:10.543
  • I mean, you know, one of the things is
  • 00:19:10.543 --> 00:19:12.111
  • I and as an economist watcher, where the u-haul is going right.
  • 00:19:12.111 --> 00:19:15.948
  • And if you look that they're
  • 00:19:15.948 --> 00:19:16.983
  • Coming out of places like illinois,
  • 00:19:16.983 --> 00:19:19.352
  • California and new york,
  • 00:19:19.352 --> 00:19:20.653
  • And they're going to places like texas and florida,
  • 00:19:20.653 --> 00:19:23.689
  • And that's because, as you said, they've got tax environments
  • 00:19:23.689 --> 00:19:26.225
  • And government environments,
  • 00:19:26.225 --> 00:19:27.460
  • You know,
  • 00:19:27.460 --> 00:19:28.661
  • That that are more conducive to people keeping more money
  • 00:19:28.661 --> 00:19:31.397
  • In their pockets.
  • 00:19:31.397 --> 00:19:32.632
  • One of the staggering statistics that i was told recently is
  • 00:19:32.632 --> 00:19:36.435
  • The state of new york has fewer people
  • 00:19:36.435 --> 00:19:40.206
  • Than the state of florida,
  • 00:19:40.206 --> 00:19:41.907
  • And yet the state of new york spends twice
  • 00:19:41.907 --> 00:19:44.677
  • What the state of florida spends
  • 00:19:44.677 --> 00:19:46.612
  • To provide state level government services.
  • 00:19:46.612 --> 00:19:49.348
  • And as a result of it, tax rates in new york
  • 00:19:49.348 --> 00:19:51.917
  • Are significantly higher than what they are down in florida.
  • 00:19:51.917 --> 00:19:54.920
  • And so people are renting those one way you halls
  • 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:58.224
  • In order to move to lower cost places, to places of living.
  • 00:19:58.224 --> 00:20:01.861
  • And what that means
  • 00:20:01.861 --> 00:20:02.862
  • Is that you're going to continue to see more
  • 00:20:02.862 --> 00:20:05.398
  • And more of the representation in congress.
  • 00:20:05.398 --> 00:20:07.767
  • It's going to have
  • 00:20:07.767 --> 00:20:08.801
  • Huge implications when we do the 2030 census,
  • 00:20:08.801 --> 00:20:11.370
  • Because it means blue states like new york and california
  • 00:20:11.370 --> 00:20:15.408
  • Are going to lose representation in the electoral college
  • 00:20:15.408 --> 00:20:18.411
  • And in the congress,
  • 00:20:18.411 --> 00:20:19.779
  • And instead that those votes are going to move
  • 00:20:19.779 --> 00:20:21.781
  • To places like texas and florida.
  • 00:20:21.781 --> 00:20:23.983
  • And hopefully what that means is that the federal government
  • 00:20:23.983 --> 00:20:26.852
  • Will take its lead from the red states and see
  • 00:20:26.852 --> 00:20:30.156
  • How do we make our our activities more efficient.
  • 00:20:30.156 --> 00:20:33.259
  • How do we reduce the, the, the burden
  • 00:20:33.259 --> 00:20:36.095
  • On taxpayers from the provision of government services?
  • 00:20:36.095 --> 00:20:39.565
  • Because, as i said, at the federal level
  • 00:20:39.565 --> 00:20:41.967
  • And at some of these blue states,
  • 00:20:41.967 --> 00:20:43.536
  • It is on an unsustainable path and people are voting
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  • With their feet.
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  • Michael, we've got just about a minute left.
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  • I want to play a lightning round.
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  • Short answers to some quick questions.
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  • One word to describe the current economy.
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  • It is getting.
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  • It'll get a lot better once we get the war in iran resolved.
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  • Biggest economic threat?
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  • China.
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  • Debt or inflation?
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  • Debt rate cuts this year.
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  • Yes or no?
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  • Maybe.
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  • One final question.
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  • Will americans be better off financially by next year?
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  • Yes. the war in iran will come to an end,
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  • And that will greatly increase the household budget.
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  • Awesome. thank you for your time today.
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  • We always appreciate your thoughtful insights.
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  • Great to be with you in a moment.
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  • Your emails.
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  • Your emails.
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  • Thank you for your emails.
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  • Jack from new jersey.
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  • He's got an interesting idea
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  • With a trillion per year of stealing
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  • It, were caught and reversed.
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  • It would take 40 years to pay off our national debt
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  • With that alone, not including any other monies.
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  • I think beyond the totals on the amounts, jack,
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  • We've got to change the attitude, the character fracture
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  • That allows tens of thousands of us to be okay with stealing.
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  • If we come back to
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  • The practicing
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  • The simple truths that we know be a better place for everybody.
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  • Folks, god's moving in the earth.
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  • Let's decide to be a part of that.
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  • Thank you for spending a few minutes of your day with us.
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  • God bless you and good night.
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