Douglas Holtz-Eakin joins Allen Jackson to discuss current events.
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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Economic Pulse | Allen Jackson Now | November 12, 2025
- Well, good evening and welcome to nashville.
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- I'm alan jackson.
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- As you surely know by now,
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- Facts are a difficult thing to come by these days.
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- Even more so when you're talking about the economy.
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- The white house talks about all the growth.
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- And on the flip side,
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- The democrats have nothing good
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- To say about anything the president does.
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- Then there's wall street rising, the business community
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- Doing well, but pulling back from hiring
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- And fear from the federal reserve about inflation coming
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- Back.
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- Well, all that said, the average american,
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- They're looking at their household budget,
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- Their credit card statements and what's left
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- In their checking account when the month ends.
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- To measure how the economy's doing.
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- So where are we now and where are we headed?
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- Well, it's time to bring in the experts.
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- Doug holtz-eakin was once the director
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- Of the congressional budget office.
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- He's now the president of american action forum.
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- And more than that, he's
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- One of the most fair minded, respected experts we know
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- When it comes to the economy.
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- Welcome back, doug.
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- Thanks for having me.
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- You know, it seems clear that the country is in a stronger
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- Financial state today than it was the past four years.
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- Gas prices are down, the stock market's up,
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- Foreign countries have made commitments
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- To invest their money
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- In businesses here, which will eventually mean more jobs.
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- But there's an anxiety in some quarters about making ends meet.
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- What i might mean and whether we're
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- Just running in place rather than growing.
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- What are your thoughts?
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- Well, certainly the average american
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- Is getting very mixed messages.
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- And indeed,
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- One of the problems right now is we're getting no message
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- Out of the government because it's been shut down.
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- We haven't seen the monthly
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- Reports on unemployment
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- And spending and prices that we might normally get.
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- So it's a little hard to tell.
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- Here's an example.
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- It's it's pretty clear
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- That the labor market is dead in the water.
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- The private employer, adp, the payroll processor, guesses
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- That we added about 40,000 jobs in the month of october.
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- Not a big number.
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- Before that would look like it was 20,000.
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- But the unemployment rate remains relatively low.
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- Go over to the atlanta fed, and they say, you know,
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- You can't be going into 3.84% rate.
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- That's a huge number.
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- So that's a huge disconnect that the people are hearing
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- Is growth craters are terrible.
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- Well, it's great for some people as i think the bottom line
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- Sinks. you're in the business sector.
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- We have big numbers on the top line.
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- How much firms are spending on software and on equipment?
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- Really big, numbers driving those gdp numbers.
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- But it's all ai.
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- And if you're not investing in ai,
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- You're not investing in anything.
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- You're just standing looking around.
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- And so we've got very mixed reports
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- On the actual main street economy
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- Who's prospering, who's retiring
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- And and what are we going to get for our wages this year?
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- On the inflation side, we have nothing but bad news.
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- Inflation went down, got it down to about 2.5%.
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- It's now reversed course is at three and rising.
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- And that's a big concern for everybody
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- Who would like to see interest rates lower, not higher.
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- Well, let's see the housing market recover.
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- So, you know, i think it's fair statement.
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- People are concerned because there are real reasons
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- To be concerned.
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- You know, clearly no one
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- President or party can completely change
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- The direction of the country in less than a year.
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- But i'd like to go through the big things
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- That have been done and get your take on them.
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- Start with the tariffs.
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- Here's how the treasury secretary describes the mission.
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- The real goal of the tariffs is to rebalance trade
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- And make it more fair.
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- You know, over time.
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- And the president's goal is to bring back manufacturing
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- To the u.s..
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- You know, for the past two to 3 or 4 decades,
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- We've seen our manufacturing sector gutted.
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- We'll have two questions.
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- Do you think they will help?
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- And will voters see some of that help
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- Before the midterms in the next presidential election?
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- Well, i think the second question
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- Is easy to answer, and that's probably not,
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- The idea that you can get a pharmaceutical company
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- To change the location of its manufacturing,
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- In a couple of years is really hard, to buy.
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- That's about a ten year start to finish proposition.
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- Some firms may relocate to the us,
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- But it will take a long time before we see that.
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- The tariffs,
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- Maybe intended to rebalance trade
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- The way the secretary describes it.
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- But, their first and most important impact is to,
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- Take purchasing power from american firms and consumers.
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- It's, $180 billion tax increase that has slowed growth of this.
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- That's money that's not available to hire people.
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- That's why it's not available to invest.
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- And it's, money that you have to somehow get back
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- By raising your prices.
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- And so
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- The tariffs have contributed to the rebound in inflation.
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- But there is no real dispute about that.
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- That they will continue to do that.
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- And so the bad news comes first.
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- You get slower growth, you get higher prices.
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- And you hope that you get the manufacturing down the line.
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- The president trump has floated the idea on giving taxpayers
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- A $2,000 dividend payment for what's been brought in
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- From the foreign tariff payments.
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- It seems like a good plan if we can spare it.
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- But rather than a one time handout,
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- Wasn't the idea of tariffs to help american business grow,
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- Rather than to be undermined
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- By foreign countries with cheaper labor?
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- I think you've got that exactly right.
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- One time policies don't help you in the end.
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- They they're they're for emergencies like the pandemic,
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- The great recession, the financial crisis.
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- But they aren't how you buy a house.
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- They're not how you send a kid to college.
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- So what we want is a
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- It's a better functioning economy.
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- I think the president will be
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- Well served to to drop this idea.
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- The tariffs right now are raising about $2,100
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- Per household.
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- So if you were to send out a $2,000 checks every household,
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- That's all the tariff money.
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- There's none left to pay down the national debt.
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- There's none for any other purpose.
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- If you send it out to every adult, it's way more than that.
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- So you're borrowing to send it.
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- This doesn't really add up.
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- I think it's something that may have
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- Had some near-term political appeal,
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- But has no real lasting economic contribution.
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- Well, republicans didn't budge on holding off on expanding
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- Health care benefits to support obamacare,
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- Which would have cost another trillion
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- And a half dollars that we don't have.
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- Nearly everyone seems to agree that cutting spending on health
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- Care and through the dodge
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- Committee is the right thing to do
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- For the long term health of the economy.
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- But does it benefit the party in power politically as well?
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- It's very hard to enact, the spending cuts.
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- We need to really get the debt under control.
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- Over half of the spending in the next
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- Ten years is going to be two programs,
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- Social security and medicare.
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- Touching. so screwed.
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- Medicare has historically
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- Been the third rail politics, so no party that is in power
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- Wants to start there by any means.
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- That's something you need to do
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- Across party lines thoughtfully.
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- Gradually over time, those those reforms have to happen.
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- There's no way to control the debt without doing them,
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- But they can't be done in the near term,
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- And they can't be done by one party.
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- Well, the president has pushed hard on the fed chairman
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- For not lowering interest rates sooner and making deeper cuts
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- Home sales especially first time homebuyers,
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- Have slowed dramatically.
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- In fact mortgage rates have gone up since mr.
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- Powell said the fed may not cut any further this year.
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- Now, the president's
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- Suggesting that a 50 year mortgage might be a solution.
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- Would that help get things started again?
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- I don't think that 50 years is the solution here.
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- You know, what you really need is to have a robustly
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- Growing economy that puts, reliable income in someone's
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- Pocket, makes them confident in making a big asset purchase.
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- The financing,
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- Whether it's done at the current mortgage
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- Rates or one percentage point lower, that's really,
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- The, area we're going to be in
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- Doesn't make an enormous difference.
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- The problem with the 50 year mortgage
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- Is it sure, it sounds appealing, but on a $400,000 mortgage,
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- You pay
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- About $400,000 in interest over the life of a 30 year mortgage.
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- You pay 860,000 over a 50 year mortgage.
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- So you you don't get any more equity.
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- You just give a lot more money in the bank.
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- And i don't think that should be the goal in harmony.
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- Amen.
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- Well, doug, we need to take a short break.
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- Can you stay for another segment?
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- That'd be great.
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- Yes. well,
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- If you want to share your thoughts on
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- What to do about the economy,
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- You can log on to aj now.com and send me an email.
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- We're producing an email only program later this month
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- And would love to include your thoughts
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- On all the economic issues ahead. i'll be right back.
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- On all the economic issues ahead. i'll be right back.
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- We're back now with the
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- President of the american action forum, doug holtz-eakin.
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- The upcoming midterm elections may well turn on affordability.
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- And republicans are concerned
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- That while president trump has taken some big steps
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- To turn the economy in the right direction,
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- Some of what he's accomplished may not show improvement
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- In time for voters who want to keep republicans
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- In office next november.
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- The director of the white house economic council
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- Has been trying to explain that
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- Things are far better than the biden years.
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- When you measure real spending power, listen to his comment.
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- If you look at the real reduction in spending power
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- For americans under joe biden,
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- Then it went down about $3,000 because we had
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- Up to 9% inflation.
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- And then they went to the grocery store.
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- They couldn't buy the things they're used to buying.
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- The real spending power, adjusted for inflation.
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- Under president trump
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- Has gone up about $1,200 so far this year.
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- $1,200 is not $3,000.
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- And so people are right to feel stretched.
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- But we're making progress.
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- Doug, what's your sense on whether the improvements
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- Might be felt in time for the president
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- To keep the house and senate in republican hands?
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- Well, i'm not sure that, all of the wage growth
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- Will be there, in time for that, but there's going to be a big,
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- Amount of cash that comes out of the tax system next spring.
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- So when they did the one big beautiful bill,
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- They backdated the tax,
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- Bill to january 1st of 2025,
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- But they didn't change withholding tables.
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- So the people are going to get two years of refunds
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- Come back next spring.
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- But $130 billion in the household sector,
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- That'll help a lot of people might
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- Be a little happier when they head to the polls.
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- Well, i want to pick up again on interest rates.
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- Steve moore is a regular guest
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- On this show, and he's made the point
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- That by delaying any further rate cuts, the fed chairman
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- Is creating a higher direct cost to taxpayers.
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- Since june, the higher rates have added
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- Tens of billions of dollars to what is now a $38 trillion debt.
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- To put it another way, that's $287,000 of debt per household.
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- What would your advice be?
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- Well, the first thing i noticed that,
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- When the fed cut by 100 basis points over a year
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- Ago, long rates went up 100 basis points.
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- And so there is no guarantee
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- That interest rate cuts translate
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- Into lower direct costs or translate for a taxpayer.
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- So, you know,
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- I i'm a big fan of steve's,
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- But i'm not guaranteed on that point.
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- I think the biggest issue for the fed really
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- Is this uncomfortable rise in inflation.
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- They were trying to get it back to the 2% target.
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- They got to two and a half or went back to three.
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- Now they're faced
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- With further upward
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- Pressure from the remaining imposition of the tariffs.
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- And you know, that's that's something
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- They have to take seriously by law.
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- They have a mandate to have price stability.
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- And they call that price stability hitting the 2% target.
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- They also have a mandate for full employment.
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- And if you look at the employment
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- Side, inflation has gone up but unemployment has not gone up.
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- It's at about 4.3%.
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- So the logic for some on the board is, look,
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- We're not having a labor problem and inflation is a problem.
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- So let's not cut anymore.
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- On the other hand, you hear, vigorous arguments for,
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- Preemptive cuts to make sure that the labor market
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- Doesn't go further south.
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- And the result is a deeply divided board that,
- 00:11:41.632 --> 00:11:45.202
- Chairman powell has to somehow get on one page.
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- It's a tough job right now.
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- It's a really difficult, decision for the fed.
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- Well, i'm here in nashville, and you're in washington,
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- But not too far north of you.
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- There's a socialist democrat who will soon be running
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- The financial capital of the country.
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- New york's
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- Governor is already told
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- Over on monday that he's not going to
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- Be allowed to give out free bus rides,
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- Because the state doesn't have the hundreds
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- Of millions of dollars that would cost.
- 00:12:08.692 --> 00:12:10.894
- But mom, donnie's young followers may not know
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- Or might not even care,
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- That the problem with socialism is that eventually
- 00:12:14.932 --> 00:12:16.867
- You run out of other people's money.
- 00:12:16.867 --> 00:12:18.569
- As margaret thatcher once said so famously,
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- How do you see this playing out?
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- Well,
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- The ideas have been tried around the globe, most notably
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- In the soviet union, with no success whatsoever.
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- And, they're even less likely to be successful
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- In a single city because it's just so easy
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- To make your home in new jersey, if not florida.
- 00:12:38.088 --> 00:12:40.224
- And so,
- 00:12:40.224 --> 00:12:41.892
- The mayor is going to run
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- Into a real problem if he wants to just
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- Take the money from the rich and head off to implement
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- Free food and free, groceries and free bus rides and the like.
- 00:12:48.832 --> 00:12:53.003
- That's just not going to work.
- 00:12:53.003 --> 00:12:54.571
- The reality in new york city as well is that
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- The mayor has relatively little power,
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- Because of all of its problems over the years.
- 00:12:58.809 --> 00:13:00.544
- The state has a lot of control.
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- There's an advisory board with a lot of control.
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- The metro transit authority that controls a lot of the money.
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- So, you know, we'll see
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- When the rubber hits the road, what he actually tries to do,
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- Given the authority that he actually has.
- 00:13:12.022 --> 00:13:15.192
- Well, you're an economic expert.
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- What would you recommend to the washington leadership
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- That we haven't talked about yet?
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- Well, i really would get serious about, the federal debt.
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- You know,
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- People talk about it
- 00:13:26.203 --> 00:13:27.170
- Now, that's a step in the right direction,
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- But they haven't really done anything about it.
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- Under mr.
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- Trump and, you know,
- 00:13:32.242 --> 00:13:33.677
- The reality is we've been downgraded three times.
- 00:13:33.677 --> 00:13:35.579
- And the most recent downgrade from moody's was real simple.
- 00:13:35.579 --> 00:13:38.015
- They said you have too much debt,
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- And interest rates are too much of your revenue.
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- So it's time to to course correct and change that,
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- As quickly as we can.
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- How do we cultivate a will to do that
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- Amongst the american people?
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- Because if we're just focused as focused on getting elected,
- 00:13:49.293 --> 00:13:51.929
- We'll never
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- Cultivate the courage to make those sacrifices, will we?
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- I think the key is social security,
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- The trust on bankruptcy in seven years
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- And in the absence of a reform,
- 00:14:00.237 --> 00:14:03.106
- That means seniors get the checks cut by 25%
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- Across the board while in retirement.
- 00:14:06.109 --> 00:14:07.678
- That's unthinkably bad. we can't do that.
- 00:14:07.678 --> 00:14:09.846
- Which means we are going to do social security reform.
- 00:14:09.846 --> 00:14:12.215
- There's no way around it.
- 00:14:12.215 --> 00:14:13.583
- And the parties need to accept that fact.
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- Work together
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- To, to put it on a financial footing
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- That will last for the foreseeable future
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- And in the process, make it fit into an entitlement state
- 00:14:20.824 --> 00:14:24.394
- With medicare and medicaid and the for the rest of these,
- 00:14:24.394 --> 00:14:27.164
- That actually adds up.
- 00:14:27.164 --> 00:14:28.231
- And it doesn't right now. this is our opportunity
- 00:14:28.231 --> 00:14:30.434
- Next seven years we can get this done.
- 00:14:30.434 --> 00:14:32.302
- Well, i pray that you're a prophet.
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- Doug holtz-eakin, thank you for joining us today.
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- I hope to see you again in the new year.
- 00:14:38.875 --> 00:14:41.378
- Look forward to it.
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- I'll be back in a moment with a note of hope.
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- I'll be back in a moment with a note of hope.
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- You know, i would submit to you
- 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:57.935
- That for decades our nation was being looted.
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- Our wealth, our strength, our opportunities,
- 00:15:00.971 --> 00:15:03.474
- Our futures were being diminished on a daily basis.
- 00:15:03.474 --> 00:15:06.744
- One example of the looting was the movement
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- Of manufacturing away from our nation.
- 00:15:08.712 --> 00:15:11.348
- It was a plundering of our nation.
- 00:15:11.348 --> 00:15:13.050
- It started in an intentional way in the 1970s,
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- Moving manufacturing overseas.
- 00:15:16.186 --> 00:15:18.288
- We called it offshoring.
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- We don't make things anymore.
- 00:15:19.990 --> 00:15:21.325
- We become too dependent on foreign governments.
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- Some of them are hostile, like china.
- 00:15:24.028 --> 00:15:26.697
- That's why i'm grateful for the fresh, bold ideas
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- That have been put forward by the trump administration.
- 00:15:29.066 --> 00:15:31.735
- It's an attempt to level the economic playing field
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- And to bring revenue and jobs back to the us.
- 00:15:34.304 --> 00:15:38.075
- I believe what was initiated by this administration
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- Through tariffs and new trade deals
- 00:15:40.577 --> 00:15:42.746
- Was an expression of support for the american people.
- 00:15:42.746 --> 00:15:46.617
- Well, the administration is standing up for u.s.
- 00:15:46.617 --> 00:15:48.385
- Citizens saying to foreign governments,
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- You'll not take unfair advantage of us
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- While hoping to motivate
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- American corporations to bring manufacturing back into the us.
- 00:15:53.924 --> 00:15:58.796
- Recently, the yale budget lab estimated that tariffs
- 00:15:58.796 --> 00:16:01.498
- Could raise around $2.5 trillion over the next ten years,
- 00:16:01.498 --> 00:16:05.335
- While the congressional budget
- 00:16:05.335 --> 00:16:06.503
- Office predicts that tariffs could raise 3.3 trillion
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- In revenue over the same time period.
- 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:12.776
- Meanwhile, the legacy media will.
- 00:16:12.776 --> 00:16:14.344
- They're quick to push fear inducing headlines.
- 00:16:14.344 --> 00:16:16.747
- It wasn't long ago when they said
- 00:16:16.747 --> 00:16:18.248
- Tariffs will wipe out billions in retirement savings overnight,
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- And that your retirement nest eggs are under great threat.
- 00:16:22.286 --> 00:16:25.889
- Well, now as corporations are just too the changes,
- 00:16:25.889 --> 00:16:28.659
- The repercussions may feel uncomfortable in the moment.
- 00:16:28.659 --> 00:16:32.129
- We may get frightened and we may see fearful headlines,
- 00:16:32.129 --> 00:16:35.299
- But we don't have to lead lives that are dominated by fear.
- 00:16:35.299 --> 00:16:38.202
- We can't let the media frame our perspectives or our responses.
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- I would point out that jesus didn't
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- Lead a life free of conflict or challenge.
- 00:16:44.174 --> 00:16:46.510
- We find jesus in boats during storms.
- 00:16:46.510 --> 00:16:48.645
- He goes to his hometown and they tried to kill him.
- 00:16:48.645 --> 00:16:51.181
- He faced all sorts of challenges.
- 00:16:51.181 --> 00:16:53.383
- Yet we see in jesus that he's never panicked
- 00:16:53.383 --> 00:16:55.853
- If he has to feed a multitude with a happy meal.
- 00:16:55.853 --> 00:16:58.722
- He's completely confident there's enough for everybody.
- 00:16:58.722 --> 00:17:01.458
- John 1427 is a favorite verse.
- 00:17:01.458 --> 00:17:04.061
- Jesus said, peace i leave with you.
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- My peace i give you.
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- I don't give to you as the world gives.
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- Don't let your hearts be troubled.
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- Don't be afraid.
- 00:17:10.767 --> 00:17:12.269
- In this time of uncertainty
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- And change,
- 00:17:13.437 --> 00:17:14.705
- Let's remember that jesus has promised to give us his peace
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- And that we don't have to be driven by fear.
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- We'll be back with your emails.
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- We'll be back with your emails.
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- Thank you for spending a few minutes with us today.
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- Just a reminder, if you ever miss
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- An episode live, you can always go to aj.
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- Now.com.
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- There's a full archive of the programs there.
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- You can review them at your leisure.
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- You can even share them with a friend.
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- Thanks for your emails, katie commented on facebook.
- 00:17:47.598 --> 00:17:50.768
- You know, pastor,
- 00:17:50.768 --> 00:17:51.836
- I have to admit that i didn't really think about it
- 00:17:51.836 --> 00:17:53.471
- Much until you started pointing it out.
- 00:17:53.471 --> 00:17:55.573
- We all just go along with the culture
- 00:17:55.573 --> 00:17:57.375
- Even when we don't believe in something.
- 00:17:57.375 --> 00:17:59.443
- We just let the world make changes
- 00:17:59.443 --> 00:18:01.078
- And do things none of us agree with.
- 00:18:01.078 --> 00:18:02.613
- And we never speak up.
- 00:18:02.613 --> 00:18:04.549
- Like you
- 00:18:04.549 --> 00:18:05.816
- Say, it's up to us, the church, to stand up for what's right.
- 00:18:05.816 --> 00:18:08.052
- I know your sermons have changed my life.
- 00:18:08.052 --> 00:18:10.321
- I'm no longer going to sit on the sidelines.
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- Thank you.
- 00:18:12.356 --> 00:18:13.791
- Well, katie, you got it.
- 00:18:13.791 --> 00:18:15.493
- We've got to be determined to shape the culture
- 00:18:15.493 --> 00:18:18.296
- And not just be shaped by the culture.
- 00:18:18.296 --> 00:18:20.831
- It starts one home at a time,
- 00:18:20.831 --> 00:18:22.400
- One family of your time, one kitchen table at a time.
- 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.736
- If we'll do that, i believe we'll see washington change.
- 00:18:25.736 --> 00:18:29.173
- Diane from massachusetts.
- 00:18:29.740 --> 00:18:31.842
- I'd like to share a victory with you
- 00:18:31.842 --> 00:18:33.511
- As you're partly responsible for this.
- 00:18:33.511 --> 00:18:35.846
- You've inspired me greatly, and i'm now thrilled to say
- 00:18:35.846 --> 00:18:38.382
- There's a scripture group at my high school,
- 00:18:38.382 --> 00:18:40.785
- And it's attended already by 15 students.
- 00:18:40.785 --> 00:18:43.588
- The scriptures are read and interpreted
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- By student leadership.
- 00:18:45.089 --> 00:18:46.157
- And i must say that from
- 00:18:46.157 --> 00:18:47.291
- The mouth of babes come messages as powerful as yours.
- 00:18:47.291 --> 00:18:50.328
- Well, i also found a church.
- 00:18:50.928 --> 00:18:52.063
- It's a little weak culturally,
- 00:18:52.063 --> 00:18:53.664
- But the word of god is preached and the people are welcoming.
- 00:18:53.664 --> 00:18:56.434
- Thank you for your encouragement and inspiration
- 00:18:56.434 --> 00:18:58.736
- Through your ministry, this show and podcast.
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- Well, thank you diane.
- 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:03.441
- It's good to hear that in schools and churches,
- 00:19:03.441 --> 00:19:05.810
- The word of god is being welcomed.
- 00:19:05.810 --> 00:19:08.279
- If we can multiply that, i assure you
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- There's more reasons for hope than despair.
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- Finally,
- 00:19:14.285 --> 00:19:15.286
- If you were on instagram commented deception.
- 00:19:15.286 --> 00:19:17.722
- What a perfect word for the times we live in.
- 00:19:17.722 --> 00:19:20.391
- Knowing the word of god is knowing the character of god.
- 00:19:20.391 --> 00:19:23.261
- He tells us what he hates.
- 00:19:23.261 --> 00:19:24.495
- He tells us what he loves.
- 00:19:24.495 --> 00:19:26.297
- He tells us what an abomination is,
- 00:19:26.297 --> 00:19:28.432
- And he tells us what evil is.
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- He tells us what love is.
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- He tells us what forgiveness is.
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- A deep reverence and respect
- 00:19:33.437 --> 00:19:34.872
- For god is the foundation for all true wisdom.
- 00:19:34.872 --> 00:19:38.943
- Well, i don't have the name of that viewer on instagram,
- 00:19:38.943 --> 00:19:41.212
- But i can tell you this they have out preached
- 00:19:41.212 --> 00:19:42.947
- The preacher and i appreciate the reminder.
- 00:19:42.947 --> 00:19:46.751
- I invite all of you to submit an email.
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- You just go to aj now.com.
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- There's a button there. it's easy to do.
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- We're preparing an upcoming program
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- That is entirely dedicated to your emails.
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- We're going to answer your questions
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- And process your comments on what's happening
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- In our nation, in our churches, and in our schools.
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- Thank you for spending a few moments with us
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- And i pray you have a good evening.
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