Allen Jackson: Founders Vision | Allen Jackson Now

May 14, 2026 | 22:25

Allen Jackson is joined by guest to discuss current events.

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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Founders Vision | Allen Jackson Now | May 14, 2026
  • I had the privilege recently of sitting down
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  • With a couple of friends, david and tim barton.
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  • David is the founder of wallbuilders.
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  • Tim, his son, is the current president.
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  • It is one of the premier,
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  • Resources for american history and the impact of our faith.
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  • And they have been working faithfully for decades
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  • That we just welcome to the church.
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  • We did a pop up museum,
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  • Which had hundreds of artifacts from our revolutionary period
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  • And beyond, reminding us of the christian heritage
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  • Of our nation, never a uniquely christian nation,
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  • But from its very inception, very definitively founded upon
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  • A biblical worldview.
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  • Judeo christian values.
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  • The interview is really to highlight some other things
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  • Other than their just their, their amazing,
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  • Comprehensive knowledge of history.
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  • They are working diligently and have been
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  • For a number of years with legislators
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  • From across the united states, state legislators,
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  • For policies that will bring restore
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  • Those biblical worldview issues into our communities again.
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  • And i wanted them to talk about that
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  • As well as what they're doing with education.
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  • I think we've all, since covid, understood that there are some,
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  • Pretty significant deficiencies with our education,
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  • Our public education, our higher education,
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  • And they have some great ideas about that.
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  • So i think the interview
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  • Is not only informative about our history,
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  • But it helps us
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  • Answer that question that we are always walking around with.
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  • And that's what can we do and what do we do from here?
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  • And i think you'll hear in both david barton and tim,
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  • Some very practical things we can do as simple as vote,
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  • Get involved in the process,
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  • Use your voice, influence your friends to participate.
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  • Folks, there's no question god's moving in the earth.
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  • The question is whether or not you and i are going to join him,
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  • Or whether we will remain in the bleachers
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  • And talk about what we think needs somebody else to do.
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  • And i hope you'll continue to pray
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  • That you will see what god is doing
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  • So you can join him in that activity.
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  • Thank you for taking some time.
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  • You remind us consistently
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  • That we're not as well-versed in our history as we might be,
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  • But wallbuilders and your whole organization
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  • Are engaged in some things far beyond
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  • Just reminding churches of that.
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  • And i wanted to give a little broader
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  • Exposure to that, because i think it's so important.
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  • Well, i had the privilege,
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  • Cathy and i had the privilege a few months ago
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  • Of being a part of your
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  • Legislators conference, which you do on an annual basis
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  • With legislators from across the states
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  • And helping them think about
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  • Issues that are in their state with biblical worldview issues.
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  • I don't know which one of you want to respond to that.
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  • Can you tell us a little bit about that initiative
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  • And what it involves,
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  • And the kind of fruit you've seen from it? yes, sir.
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  • So one of the things, broad picture,
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  • In case anybody doesn't know, is
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  • We do primarily stuff with american history.
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  • Working with our original historic collection,
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  • Our goal is to try to help people, understand from faith
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  • And have historic examples of how faith applies in
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  • Lots of areas of life.
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  • We focus on the church,
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  • On education, and on the government arena.
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  • And so this is just one of our government arena outreaches.
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  • We work with about a thousand state
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  • Legislators across the nation.
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  • There's about 7800.
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  • So there's a significant percentage
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  • That we actually engage with, we help with,
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  • Model legislation, among other things,
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  • But ultimately trying to go back and say,
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  • If it's not biblical,
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  • If it's not constitutional,
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  • If it's not protecting inalienable rights,
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  • We shouldn't support it.
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  • And we need to do things
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  • That are more directed in those regards.
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  • We bring in policy experts
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  • From all over the nation on whatever the topic is,
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  • Or in many cases, spiritual leaders as well for,
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  • Those that have never attended the conference before.
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  • We, from the morning through the afternoon
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  • Have a bunch of policy walks, but all christian worldview
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  • Related to people
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  • That will come in and say, okay, so this is what's going on
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  • With whether it be like an esg, whether it be,
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  • Something with there's bills now where we are having to clarify
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  • That i does not have human rights privileges.
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  • But we're literally like, hey, that's a real thing.
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  • We have to address this.
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  • And not to digress on that because,
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  • Not only should i not have human
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  • Rights privileges, but the unborn should.
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  • So we kind of cover all of those bases.
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  • But then every evening, one of the things we recognize is
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  • We don't want to just give them good ammunition to go back.
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  • As they're trying to navigate policy and legislation
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  • Every evening, we will have a spiritual emphasis.
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  • And so we want to feed not just their mind.
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  • We want to feed their heart and soul as well.
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  • And so pastor jackson came,
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  • And he was able to do one of the, the evenings for us
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  • Where we have a spiritual emphasis. phenomenal.
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  • But we do work all over the, the nation.
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  • And in fact, i think it was just this week
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  • That tennessee approved out of the house
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  • That they're going to allow the ten commandments
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  • To be posted in public schools in tennessee.
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  • Which, by way of background, and i appreciate the fact
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  • That everybody in the room pretty much applauded.
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  • You should have. that's very important.
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  • One of the things
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  • We have largely forgotten, the founding fathers said
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  • That america only works with a religious
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  • And moral foundation, and it used to be not debatable.
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  • The moral foundation was what we learned
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  • From the bible and ultimately,
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  • Even like the legal foundation of our nation derives
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  • From the ten commandments as much as,
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  • If not more than, virtually anything else you can identify.
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  • So. so this is part of the founding of our nation.
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  • If you go back to the early colonies, every single
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  • One of the early colonies,
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  • They included the ten commandments
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  • As part of the legal code
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  • For every single one of the early colonies.
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  • And here's what's also interesting
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  • Is there was never a colony that had more than 15 reasons
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  • That somebody could be put to death.
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  • But in every one of the colonies,
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  • Some of the reasons you could be put to
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  • Death was for violating the ten commandments,
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  • And they actually would list when they would write the law
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  • That thou shalt not murder.
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  • They would literally put the verse like exodus beside it,
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  • Identifying that they're taking
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  • That specifically from the bible.
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  • Again, the reason i say this is we now have a world
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  • And a culture that's growing up where our kids are being told
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  • That there's no objective truth. truth is subjective.
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  • It's how you feel. it's what you think.
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  • This is my truth. this is your truth.
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  • And and we're not having a moral standard for them to hold you.
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  • In fact,
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  • I would challenge
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  • When people are like, well,
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  • We we can't have the ten commandments.
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  • You can't have religion in school.
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  • Okay, well,
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  • Let me just ask a really simple follow up basic question.
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  • How do we determine right and wrong
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  • That this is a simple question
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  • Because there's only a couple options.
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  • It's either subjective, it's collective, or it's objective.
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  • Subjective means we decide for ourselves,
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  • Well, that's never going to be good.
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  • The majority of the world up until like 100 years ago,
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  • Thought that slavery was acceptable.
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  • The majority of the world, there was never a nation
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  • That didn't have slavery.
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  • So if we say we just collectively, we can point out
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  • That consistently
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  • Collective groups choose things that are immoral.
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  • Well, if it can't be subjective, it's not collective.
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  • The only other option is there has to be
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  • An objective standard we point to.
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  • Well, you could
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  • Then arguable there's more than one objective standard
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  • Because like the jews have, the torah,
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  • The christians have the bible, that the muslims have the koran.
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  • And people might argue there's different objective standards.
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  • And then what i would say is, okay, to make it easy
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  • If we're going to say we need a
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  • The best, the highest moral objective standard,
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  • Instead of analyzing all the textual documents,
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  • I would say, let's just compare the heroes of those religions.
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  • Yes. and this shouldn't be all that complicated,
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  • Because, by the way, fair.
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  • If you go back to the torah,
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  • Those are some of our biblical heroes.
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  • However, we can point out abraham had some major faults.
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  • Moses major flaws. david, major.
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  • You go to islam and they have muhammad,
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  • Who believed that you should kill your enemies.
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  • You shouldn't enslave them.
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  • You can have multiple brides
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  • And child brides and go down the list.
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  • And then you have jesus
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  • Who said you should treat other people
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  • The way you want to be treated. love your neighbor as yourself.
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  • And the reason i point this out is for people that say, no, we
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  • We shouldn't have christianity or we shouldn't have the bible.
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  • We shouldn't have ten commandments in public school.
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  • Okay, so what other options are there?
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  • Because you're always going to have a standard of morality.
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  • And if we're saying
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  • Jesus is the highest standard of morality ever given,
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  • Even if you don't believe he's savior, you should.
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  • But even if you're like, i'm not sure,
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  • But he's a great moral teacher,
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  • His moral teachings would help you live a better and
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  • More free life.
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  • More free life.
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  • The reason i'm
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  • Saying this is there's christians that are like,
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  • We can't have the ten commandments.
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  • There is going to be a moral standard.
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  • And if we're saying we can't use the bible, then
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  • All that is left is a lower degree moral standard.
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  • So we will be teaching our kids a lesser value.
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  • Morals that are going to equate to them having worse behavior.
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  • And as we see all kinds of horrific things where
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  • I don't want to be graphic, but where people
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  • Are taking firearms and going in places and shooting
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  • And like that's become far too normal. why?
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  • Because we've removed an objective standard of morality
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  • That says thou shalt not murder.
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  • This shouldn't be, by the way, when kids can go to jail
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  • For violating the ten commandments,
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  • But we've told them they can't see the ten commandments.
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  • You can go to jail for stealing.
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  • You can go to jail for killing.
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  • I mean, literally, and we're saying but they can't see it.
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  • And i'm saying all of this
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  • Because i want to get in front of the feeling
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  • For anybody who's in the room
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  • Or watching online
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  • Here, like,
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  • But i don't think we should
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  • Really have the ten commandments there.
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  • Then what else are we going to show them?
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  • To give them a moral standard?
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  • Because this is the best moral standard
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  • For the history of the world there has ever been. and.
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  • There was a
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  • Reason it was part of every single colony's laws.
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  • There was a reason the founding fathers advocated
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  • Above all
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  • The sermon on the mount
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  • And the ten commandments, they thought were the two most
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  • Moral and significant teachings
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  • That every student should learn and memorize.
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  • Okay, again, the reason this matters
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  • And part of why we celebrate.
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  • Back to our legislators conference.
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  • We introduced something to our legislators
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  • Several years ago
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  • Saying, hey guys, there's a unique opportunity
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  • Because you remember the coach kennedy decision,
  • 00:10:43.306 --> 00:10:45.641
  • The football coach who was fired for kneeling.
  • 00:10:45.641 --> 00:10:47.844
  • He won a supreme court case in 2022, the supreme court,
  • 00:10:47.844 --> 00:10:50.713
  • And giving him the victory.
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  • They overturned what was known as a lemon decision.
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  • The lemon decision is essentially
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  • What removed all religious activity
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  • And expression from the public arena in public school.
  • 00:10:58.354 --> 00:11:01.457
  • Well, the supreme court said, well,
  • 00:11:01.457 --> 00:11:03.126
  • That was always bad policy,
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  • That that was never constitutionally correct.
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  • We are vacating or overturning it.
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  • When the ten commandments were taken out of school in 1980,
  • 00:11:09.298 --> 00:11:12.535
  • The thing that the supreme court cited was the lemon decision.
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  • They said, well, the lemon test says we have to take it out.
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  • Lemon test is overturned, which means
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  • The only thing that said we couldn't have it is now removed.
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  • Let me point out,
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  • The ten commandments were part of education from the pilgrims
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  • Until 1980.
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  • This isn't a brand new idea.
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  • This is restoring
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  • What was the foundation in education that made america
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  • The most free, stable, prosperous
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  • And benevolent nation in the history of the world.
  • 00:11:43.065 --> 00:11:46.869
  • And by the way, tennessee just passed
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  • That out of the house.
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  • I'll add to it
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  • That 27 states have now introduced laws to restore
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  • The ten commandments in their states.
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  • Five have so far passed laws.
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  • We've been at a bunch of states testifying to that,
  • 00:12:01.951 --> 00:12:04.453
  • Because part of what we can help provide is the historical
  • 00:12:04.453 --> 00:12:08.257
  • And legal background for the restoration of these things.
  • 00:12:08.257 --> 00:12:11.727
  • So there's a lot of good going on.
  • 00:12:11.727 --> 00:12:13.362
  • We had states this year passed a law
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  • To put prayer back in schools.
  • 00:12:14.964 --> 00:12:16.465
  • They put bible back in schools that put bible back into reagan.
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  • We've had so much turnaround in the last 2 to 3 years.
  • 00:12:19.669 --> 00:12:23.306
  • And so in
  • 00:12:23.306 --> 00:12:24.574
  • Any given legislative session with and the founding fathers
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  • Did a brilliant job with the constitution,
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  • Making sure
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  • That they separated
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  • The federal government from the state government
  • 00:12:31.180 --> 00:12:32.515
  • So that they get control of a lot of stuff.
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  • We're going to talk later about elections.
  • 00:12:34.083 --> 00:12:36.219
  • The time, place and manner of elections
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  • By the constitution belongs to each state.
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  • So every state has a different way of doing elections.
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  • But if you go back
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  • And look at all that in any given year,
  • 00:12:44.293 --> 00:12:46.462
  • Among all of our 50 state legislatures,
  • 00:12:46.462 --> 00:12:48.464
  • There will be 150,000 bills introduced.
  • 00:12:48.464 --> 00:12:51.267
  • So we'll monitor those bills and see what the trends are.
  • 00:12:51.267 --> 00:12:54.203
  • We'll try to provide the experts for the legislators
  • 00:12:54.203 --> 00:12:57.039
  • On whatever that trend happens to be,
  • 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:58.941
  • Whether it's religious,
  • 00:12:58.941 --> 00:12:59.809
  • Moral trends or economic or whether it
  • 00:12:59.809 --> 00:13:02.078
  • Happens to be something with esg or ucc or various codes.
  • 00:13:02.078 --> 00:13:06.048
  • And so that's a service
  • 00:13:06.048 --> 00:13:07.083
  • We try to provide for christian legislators
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  • As well as get them biblical instruction
  • 00:13:09.185 --> 00:13:11.153
  • During the conference,
  • 00:13:11.153 --> 00:13:12.555
  • Through great christian leaders like pastor jackson.
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  • Well,
  • 00:13:16.225 --> 00:13:17.293
  • The part that was so fascinating to me was the help
  • 00:13:17.293 --> 00:13:20.329
  • That wallbuilders provided and that
  • 00:13:20.329 --> 00:13:22.398
  • That's a community of people because they come year
  • 00:13:22.398 --> 00:13:24.100
  • After year, and i watch them work on language
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  • And share their common experience
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  • So that the laws they were putting in place
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  • Could withstand the challenges because inevitably, the aclu
  • 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.077
  • Or the southern poverty law center,
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  • Such an august body of integrity,
  • 00:13:38.114 --> 00:13:41.317
  • Will often challenge them in court.
  • 00:13:42.084 --> 00:13:44.754
  • And you were providing some
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  • Just a wonderful environment for those things to be overcome.
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  • You know, we have we have bowed at the wrong altar.
  • 00:13:50.426 --> 00:13:52.962
  • And i hear this from local leadership and other places
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  • On a consistent basis.
  • 00:13:55.564 --> 00:13:56.666
  • So if we do the right thing, we'll be sued
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  • As if that provides you an excuse
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  • To not do the right thing. i want to ask
  • 00:14:01.871 --> 00:14:04.240
  • Every man in the room a question, real question.
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  • If you even if you knew today you would be sued
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  • If you were faithful to your wife.
  • 00:14:11.314 --> 00:14:14.417
  • Does that give you a legitimate reason to go be unfaithful
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  • To avoid the lawsuit?
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  • You're going to do the right thing.
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  • Yes, yes.
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  • Even if there's a threat of a consequence.
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  • I want to answer that question out loud.
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  • The answer would be yes.
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  • I'm going to be
  • 00:14:29.165 --> 00:14:30.232
  • Faithful to my wife, even if there's a consequence.
  • 00:14:30.232 --> 00:14:32.868
  • Why will we do the wrong thing?
  • 00:14:32.868 --> 00:14:34.904
  • Because we're afraid of the conscience.
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  • That makes no sense for the christ follower.
  • 00:14:36.205 --> 00:14:46.009
  • That makes no sense for the christ follower.
  • 00:14:46.009 --> 00:14:50.086
  • There's an adage
  • 00:14:50.486 --> 00:14:51.420
  • That culture is is downstream of politics.
  • 00:14:51.420 --> 00:14:55.691
  • But sometimes people think, well, no, it's the church.
  • 00:14:55.691 --> 00:14:58.160
  • And i would say, here's
  • 00:14:58.160 --> 00:14:59.295
  • There's two interesting things about this.
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  • When you look at culture,
  • 00:15:01.130 --> 00:15:02.298
  • Culture is a reflection of two things.
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  • It is a reflection of the church,
  • 00:15:04.633 --> 00:15:06.836
  • And it's a reflection of politics.
  • 00:15:06.836 --> 00:15:09.772
  • And a lot of times people think, well, it's the church is
  • 00:15:09.772 --> 00:15:13.175
  • What determines culture, that determines politics.
  • 00:15:13.175 --> 00:15:15.044
  • But i would point out
  • 00:15:15.044 --> 00:15:16.512
  • Politics actually determines culture,
  • 00:15:16.512 --> 00:15:18.714
  • Especially in our modern era,
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  • At times more than the church does. now, that's
  • 00:15:20.683 --> 00:15:22.618
  • Actually an indictment on the church in america.
  • 00:15:22.618 --> 00:15:25.254
  • However, i do want to point out when roe versus wade
  • 00:15:25.254 --> 00:15:29.258
  • Became the law of the land, which is already silly because,
  • 00:15:29.258 --> 00:15:33.496
  • Law doesn't come from the supreme courts,
  • 00:15:33.496 --> 00:15:35.431
  • It comes from congress.
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  • They're the ones that pass it off.
  • 00:15:36.866 --> 00:15:38.134
  • So when the supreme court
  • 00:15:38.134 --> 00:15:39.902
  • Had the 1973
  • 00:15:39.902 --> 00:15:41.070
  • Roe versus wade decision and they said, we just found
  • 00:15:41.070 --> 00:15:43.439
  • A new constitutional right to abortion,
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  • Miraculously, the words
  • 00:15:46.342 --> 00:15:47.743
  • Aren't there, but we found it in the constitution.
  • 00:15:47.743 --> 00:15:50.713
  • They said, this is now the law of the land.
  • 00:15:50.713 --> 00:15:52.381
  • Again, they don't pass a law.
  • 00:15:52.381 --> 00:15:53.382
  • But here's what's the reason i bring this up.
  • 00:15:53.382 --> 00:15:55.217
  • What i want to point out prior to 1973,
  • 00:15:55.217 --> 00:15:59.989
  • How many americans
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  • Supported abortion
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  • Publicly, outwardly supported abortion.
  • 00:16:05.227 --> 00:16:08.464
  • And what you will find is it was in the single digits.
  • 00:16:08.464 --> 00:16:13.002
  • Then abortion becomes the law of the land
  • 00:16:13.903 --> 00:16:16.739
  • Because it's the law of the land.
  • 00:16:16.739 --> 00:16:18.274
  • It becomes normalized.
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  • And now not only do you have the majority
  • 00:16:20.910 --> 00:16:24.613
  • Of americans, here's the staggering part.
  • 00:16:24.613 --> 00:16:27.583
  • You have the majority of christians
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  • That think we should not end all of abortion
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  • For whatever reason.
  • 00:16:35.024 --> 00:16:37.059
  • And here's why i'm saying this.
  • 00:16:37.059 --> 00:16:38.727
  • Because the reason that we got involved
  • 00:16:38.727 --> 00:16:40.863
  • On the legislative front, and a lot of ways,
  • 00:16:40.863 --> 00:16:42.965
  • Actually, is because of our faith,
  • 00:16:42.965 --> 00:16:44.900
  • Because we recognize if we don't start upholding
  • 00:16:44.900 --> 00:16:48.337
  • Legally some of these basic traditional values,
  • 00:16:48.337 --> 00:16:53.075
  • Then this will change our culture for so much to the worse
  • 00:16:53.075 --> 00:16:56.345
  • And make it more of a challenge
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  • For us as believers.
  • 00:16:57.713 --> 00:16:58.948
  • And if that's confusing to anybo
  • 00:16:58.948 --> 00:17:02.384
  • When when you are a christian right now over in europe,
  • 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:06.522
  • And literally
  • 00:17:06.522 --> 00:17:07.556
  • Whether it's in canada, the uk and, well,
  • 00:17:07.556 --> 00:17:09.391
  • You can't teach certain bible verses anymore,
  • 00:17:09.391 --> 00:17:11.293
  • You can't read them out loud anymore.
  • 00:17:11.293 --> 00:17:13.062
  • You can go to jail
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  • For hate speech, for reading the bible out loud.
  • 00:17:14.130 --> 00:17:17.533
  • America, if we are not careful,
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  • Can go down that same slippery path.
  • 00:17:21.003 --> 00:17:23.038
  • And i'm saying this because if the church thinks, well,
  • 00:17:23.038 --> 00:17:26.041
  • We don't need to get involved in politics, politics,
  • 00:17:26.041 --> 00:17:29.145
  • Or actually directing this ship there,
  • 00:17:29.145 --> 00:17:31.313
  • They're the bigger rudder on this ship right now.
  • 00:17:31.313 --> 00:17:33.482
  • And again,
  • 00:17:33.482 --> 00:17:34.450
  • Largely that's an indictment on the church
  • 00:17:34.450 --> 00:17:36.085
  • Because the church
  • 00:17:36.085 --> 00:17:37.286
  • Has not been being the salt like we should be the salt.
  • 00:17:37.286 --> 00:17:39.922
  • But part of how we can be the salt is to get involved
  • 00:17:39.922 --> 00:17:43.192
  • In that political arena.
  • 00:17:43.192 --> 00:17:44.426
  • And if we do, we actually can do things that uphold biblical,
  • 00:17:44.426 --> 00:17:48.063
  • Traditional values, that uphold inalienable rights,
  • 00:17:48.063 --> 00:17:50.432
  • That uphold constitutional principles.
  • 00:17:50.432 --> 00:17:53.169
  • And that's exactly what the founding fathers did.
  • 00:17:53.169 --> 00:17:55.704
  • They weren't people that checked their faith at the door.
  • 00:17:55.704 --> 00:17:58.174
  • They were people.
  • 00:17:58.174 --> 00:17:59.275
  • When when the declaration says, we hold these truths
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  • To be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
  • 00:18:01.710 --> 00:18:04.280
  • Endowed by their creator
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  • With certain available rights,
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  • And that to secure these rights governments
  • 00:18:06.749 --> 00:18:08.350
  • Are choose among men.
  • 00:18:08.350 --> 00:18:09.451
  • When they said those are self-evident truths,
  • 00:18:09.451 --> 00:18:11.720
  • Where did they discover those self-evident truths?
  • 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.523
  • And here's the interesting thing. so this is.
  • 00:18:14.523 --> 00:18:18.294
  • If you have
  • 00:18:18.627 --> 00:18:19.628
  • Come to the pop up museum, you've seen these.
  • 00:18:19.628 --> 00:18:22.364
  • This is the first printing
  • 00:18:22.364 --> 00:18:23.866
  • Of the original draft of the declaration.
  • 00:18:23.866 --> 00:18:27.336
  • And, this came out in 1829.
  • 00:18:27.336 --> 00:18:29.972
  • It was thomas jefferson's grandson
  • 00:18:29.972 --> 00:18:32.374
  • That found the original one.
  • 00:18:32.374 --> 00:18:34.143
  • I was like, this is amazing. people want to see this.
  • 00:18:34.143 --> 00:18:36.011
  • Let's make some copies.
  • 00:18:36.011 --> 00:18:37.246
  • So they made copies.
  • 00:18:37.246 --> 00:18:38.547
  • This is from the first printing, the first copy that was made
  • 00:18:38.547 --> 00:18:42.585
  • From the original draft.
  • 00:18:42.585 --> 00:18:43.953
  • But here's the reason i want to bring this up.
  • 00:18:43.953 --> 00:18:45.688
  • There was a historian named alice baldwin.
  • 00:18:45.688 --> 00:18:48.023
  • She wrote a book called the new england clergy
  • 00:18:48.023 --> 00:18:50.025
  • In the american revolution.
  • 00:18:50.025 --> 00:18:51.527
  • And if you look through this, it's four pages.
  • 00:18:51.527 --> 00:18:54.463
  • In her book, she talks about the influence
  • 00:18:54.463 --> 00:18:56.665
  • Of the pastors in early america.
  • 00:18:56.665 --> 00:18:58.033
  • But the amazing part is, she points out,
  • 00:18:58.033 --> 00:19:01.870
  • The founding fathers didn't come up with a single unique idea,
  • 00:19:01.870 --> 00:19:06.875
  • She said, and said
  • 00:19:07.309 --> 00:19:08.877
  • They repeated all of the things
  • 00:19:08.877 --> 00:19:10.746
  • They'd been learning from their pastor
  • 00:19:10.746 --> 00:19:12.181
  • For the decades leading up to that moment.
  • 00:19:12.181 --> 00:19:14.683
  • And one of her quotes, she says, there is not a right
  • 00:19:14.683 --> 00:19:17.853
  • Asserted in the declaration, which had not been preached
  • 00:19:17.853 --> 00:19:21.190
  • From the american clergy prior to 1763.
  • 00:19:21.190 --> 00:19:25.394
  • And in her book she goes through and she lists the pastors
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  • And the sermons that delivered all of those rights.
  • 00:19:28.097 --> 00:19:38.010
  • And the sermons that delivered all of those rights.
  • 00:19:38.010 --> 00:19:41.483
  • If we read the bible, it's
  • 00:19:42.050 --> 00:19:43.485
  • Very clear god has three institutions.
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  • God has the family.
  • 00:19:45.120 --> 00:19:46.621
  • God has the church, and god created government.
  • 00:19:46.621 --> 00:19:49.424
  • And i don't know of any christian
  • 00:19:49.424 --> 00:19:51.359
  • Who would debate the fact that god gave guidance on
  • 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.195
  • How the family is supposed to operate.
  • 00:19:54.195 --> 00:19:55.797
  • And as christians, we should follow the guidance
  • 00:19:55.797 --> 00:19:57.399
  • That god gave. right?
  • 00:19:57.399 --> 00:19:58.833
  • And whether that's for husband and wife,
  • 00:19:58.833 --> 00:20:00.702
  • Whether that's for raising kids, whether it's for kids
  • 00:20:00.702 --> 00:20:02.737
  • Submitting in, obeying
  • 00:20:02.737 --> 00:20:03.838
  • Their parents, the lord for this is right.
  • 00:20:03.838 --> 00:20:05.540
  • The bible gives guidance clearly on the family.
  • 00:20:05.540 --> 00:20:07.909
  • The bible gives guidance on the church,
  • 00:20:07.909 --> 00:20:09.177
  • That is, to equip the saints for the work of the ministry.
  • 00:20:09.177 --> 00:20:10.912
  • And we can go through all the details
  • 00:20:10.912 --> 00:20:12.447
  • Of what the bible says in the church.
  • 00:20:12.447 --> 00:20:13.915
  • Here's what's interesting.
  • 00:20:13.915 --> 00:20:15.450
  • The bible says far more
  • 00:20:15.950 --> 00:20:19.287
  • About government and government leaders,
  • 00:20:19.287 --> 00:20:21.956
  • And in dealing and addressing
  • 00:20:21.956 --> 00:20:23.458
  • Government and government leaders
  • 00:20:23.458 --> 00:20:24.726
  • Than it does the family or the church.
  • 00:20:24.726 --> 00:20:27.562
  • And yet, for some reason, we spend more time
  • 00:20:27.562 --> 00:20:31.633
  • On what the bible says, less about
  • 00:20:31.633 --> 00:20:35.036
  • Than acknowledging, you know what?
  • 00:20:35.036 --> 00:20:36.604
  • The bible has an awful lot to say
  • 00:20:36.604 --> 00:20:37.872
  • About politics and government.
  • 00:20:37.872 --> 00:20:39.374
  • And as christians, we're not supposed to only care
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  • About two of the three institutions god made.
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  • We actually need to recognize
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  • The bible speaks more to government,
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  • And therefore we should be interested
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  • And care about government in the midst of what we do.
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  • And that's literally what early pastors did.
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  • Going back to the fact that every single grievance
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  • Or every single right, and the declaration
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  • Had been preached from pastors prior
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  • To 1763, it again is an indictment on the church.
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  • But it's
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  • I want to be an encouragement of why, as a christian,
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  • We shouldn't be even reading our bible
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  • And thinking, well, as a christian,
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  • I shouldn't get involved politically.
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  • No, actually, if you read your bible,
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  • You should go man, how many times does
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  • He prophets go to these kings?
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  • How many times are they talking about?
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  • You should do this. you shouldn't do this.
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  • God will bless. god will curse.
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  • That's almost all dealing
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  • With government leaders and government officials.
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  • It's the majority of the bible and we can't read it.
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  • Disconnected from our reality
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  • That we live in a world with political leaders
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  • And the word of god speaks to every issue we deal with,
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  • Not just with family and church, but also with politics.
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  • Let me add a challenge to that,
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  • Because we're coming up
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  • On the 250th anniversary
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  • Celebration of that document right there, the tim held,
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  • And it probably takes you if you if you haven't read
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  • The document, read it's probably 15 minutes to read
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  • And you'll find 27 grievances in that declaration.
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  • Here's 27 reasons we're separated
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  • From great britain, because great and risen 1 to 27.
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  • And remember that every one of those grievances
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  • Had been preached from the american pulpit prior to 1763.
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  • So read the grievances as if they're sermon topics,
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  • And see what bible verses you can put
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  • Each of those 27 grievances.
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