Allen Jackson: Fraud Scope | Allen Jackson Now

May 22, 2026 | 22:27

Jeff Clark joins Allen Jackson to discuss current events.

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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Fraud Scope | Allen Jackson Now | May 22, 2026
  • Well, good evening and welcome to nashville.
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  • I'm alan jackson.
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  • The stock market is doing well and the job market
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  • Remains strong.
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  • But there's a less well known economic indicator
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  • That has economists very concerned.
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  • The total u.s.
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  • National debt is now significantly larger
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  • Than our gdp.
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  • The gross domestic product.
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  • It's like having an income of $85,000
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  • A year and holding debts that far exceed that.
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  • That could work for a few years, but not forever.
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  • There's a big
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  • Contributor to the debt,
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  • Which is only recently getting noticed.
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  • It's the fraud.
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  • Or in plainer english, it's called stealing.
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  • Every day, as much as $1.4 billion of government
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  • Money is stolen.
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  • That's the money we pay with our taxes.
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  • It's a big part of the reason
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  • Why the total federal debt is approaching $40 trillion.
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  • And while officials often blame gangs, organized
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  • Crime, immigrants and ordinary americans,
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  • Much of that stealing is from inside the government.
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  • For example, the park service employee who gave guided tours
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  • And was caught on camera stealing $1,200.
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  • When authorities look deeper at her history,
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  • They found that she'd been doing that for years
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  • And that she had stolen $250,000.
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  • That's a quarter of $1 million
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  • That went into her own bank account.
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  • The stealing is rampant.
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  • The losses are staggering, and the fraud
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  • Has become an acceptable norm by too many people.
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  • Government employees are the people
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  • We trust with our money.
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  • But they also have inside access that the federal, state
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  • And local level.
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  • And for many, it's just far too easy to steal.
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  • Well, we're living at a time
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  • When observable truth is often denied in the public square.
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  • It's like the sun is coming up in the east,
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  • And there's some talking head
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  • With lots of letters at the end of their name going.
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  • Well, actually, it comes up in the south.
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  • It's disorienting.
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  • Well, i'm grateful for the steps
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  • That are taken by our current administration
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  • To cut waste and fraud, to expose the looting of america.
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  • As i've said, it's stealing.
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  • But what i think about the people
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  • That have been elected to office, there's
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  • A group of public servants that i despise
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  • And despise is the kindest word i have.
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  • And it's not about their political party.
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  • It doesn't matter to me whether they're republican or democrat.
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  • These elected officials were given the authority
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  • To serve the people by the people.
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  • It's a sacred trust.
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  • Yet these elected officials
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  • Use their office primarily for personal gain.
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  • If they use their elected
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  • Position to accumulate resources for personal gain.
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  • I don't have any respect for that.
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  • The way i understand public service
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  • Is that we go to washington or wherever we're elected
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  • To serve, to represent our constituents,
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  • To bring a better outcome to whomever
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  • It is we're representing.
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  • You know,
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  • I suppose the old fashioned term for that was statesman,
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  • The expectation that the elected official will go with
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  • The good of their constituents
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  • As the primary factor for their decision making.
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  • Well, far too many elected officials have had their snouts
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  • In the trough,
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  • Gaining wealth on the back of hard working, taxpaying people.
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  • If, for instance, we have a member of congress
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  • Whose net worth increase is $30 million per year.
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  • That should not be all right with us,
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  • Especially if their state
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  • Is at the center of multiple high profile cases of fraud.
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  • Well, i'm referring to representative
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  • Ilhan omar of minnesota,
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  • Who, by the way, now says she's not a millionaire.
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  • She blamed her accountant for making the accounting error.
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  • A newly revised disclosure shows she and her husband went
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  • From $30 million in holdings to less than $100,000.
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  • That's not an accounting error.
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  • That's deceptive accounting.
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  • We have
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  • Found out there was brazen fraud taking place in minnesota.
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  • Even money that was meant to feed
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  • Hungry kids and children with autism in minnesota.
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  • Hundreds of millions of dollars allegedly stolen.
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  • Well, how about the medicaid dollars?
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  • The trump administration has suggested that the broader
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  • Suspected exposure in minnesota could reach into the billions.
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  • I would expect the governors and the mayors of the state,
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  • Where billions of dollars
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  • Are being stolen from taxpayers, to be outraged at that.
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  • But that's not the response we've seen.
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  • We should no longer tolerate government
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  • Excess abuse or sloppiness.
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  • I don't want to hear any more of the words.
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  • I want to see measurable outcomes.
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  • I'll tell you what i'm really watching for.
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  • It's a biblical word.
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  • It's repentance.
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  • You see, if there's no repentance,
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  • There's no real change.
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  • Repentance carries with it two meanings.
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  • It's a change of mind.
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  • Which means i've been thinking about this the wrong way.
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  • And it's a change of behavior, which means
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  • I've been acting the wrong way.
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  • So what i hear from elected officials, real repentance
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  • When i hear them say,
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  • I brought about this wrong and i have behaved wrong,
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  • Then i'll trust them to oversee what's next without repentance.
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  • They're simply stalling.
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  • They're trying to run out the clock
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  • Until they can be in power again.
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  • If politicians who lacked integrity wasn't bad enough,
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  • How about the legacy media members
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  • Who don't say a thing about the corruption,
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  • The fraud, the stealing that's taking place?
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  • What would it take for somebody like the atlantic,
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  • The washington post, or the new york times to say
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  • That this is a problem, to say that the billions of dollars
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  • Being fraudulently taken from the american people is bad.
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  • We as the church can't sit quiet in this season.
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  • We have an assignment
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  • To stand for the truth, the search for it,
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  • Because the solution to society's ills.
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  • It is a political. it's spiritual.
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  • We must have a faith that is living and vital,
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  • A faith that requires
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  • Situational awareness of the world we're living in.
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  • We've got to tell the truth in terms of today.
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  • We must determine to be champions of the truth.
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  • Well, the federal deficit approaching $40 trillion.
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  • Alarms are sounding and economic circles.
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  • The stealing is close to $1 trillion a year.
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  • And growing.
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  • In a moment, we'll be joined by jeff clark.
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  • He's the vice president of litigation
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  • At the oversight project.
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  • I'll be right back.
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  • I'll be right back.
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  • The federal debt is so large
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  • That it's hard to fathom what $39 trillion represents.
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  • But consider this it was 1982 when the federal debt
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  • First passed the $1 trillion mark,
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  • Which means that between 1982 and 2026,
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  • We've taken on $38 trillion more.
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  • We pay more in interest on the debt
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  • Than we do for our defense budget.
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  • It's one thing to get spending under control,
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  • But it's quite another to get stopped.
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  • The stealing.
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  • In washington, d.c., the oversight project targets
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  • Corruption, stealing and fraud within the government.
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  • And we're joined now by their vice
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  • President of litigation, jeff clark.
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  • Welcome to our program, sir.
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  • It's good to be here.
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  • Pastor allen, thank you.
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  • The headlines have been focused on california and minneapolis,
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  • But very little has been said, at least publicly,
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  • About the stealing from within the government.
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  • Maybe we start by you telling us what you know about how vast
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  • That fraud inside government is.
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  • It is vast.
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  • And, you know,
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  • I wish i could tell you the details of cases that were
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  • Referred by omb to, the justice department
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  • Or to inspector general about, that.
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  • If you're not aware, i left, omb about two months ago,
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  • So i was serving in the in the white house
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  • And was privy to a lot of these reports and interface,
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  • Frequently with, doj's when that was really in its
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  • Heyday for the first six months or so of the trump
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  • Administration in 2025.
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  • And the other thing, probably a lot of your viewers
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  • May not understand about omb.
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  • They just think it's about, the budget is that the,
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  • The council on inspectors general
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  • Actually has a reporting relationship into omb.
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  • So omb, gets to work with, and in many ways
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  • Direct
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  • The activities of the inspectors general, which are tasked
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  • With, pastor allen rooting out waste, fraud and abuse.
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  • So, you know, there was a major initiative.
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  • Let me let me take them off. right.
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  • So we had doj's looking at waste, fraud and abuse.
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  • And then,
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  • Working with us, we had our own independent efforts to do that.
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  • We had the inspectors general looking at that.
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  • Now, a new division at
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  • Doj has been created to combat fraud.
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  • And in trump 45, i spent more than two years at, at doj.
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  • So it's it's interesting to, to, to observe the creation
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  • Of a new litigating division that doesn't happen every day.
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  • The last time it happened was the first time i was at doj.
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  • There was a new litigating division,
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  • Created the national security division after nine over 11.
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  • And then the last thing to note is that, obviously,
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  • The president gave vice president vance
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  • A special tasking to look at waste, fraud and abuse.
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  • So, you know, we have a lot of,
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  • More eyes on this problem than we had before.
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  • And we also have, you know, great independent journalists,
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  • You know, like nick shurley, who ferreted out things
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  • Like the quality hearing center in minnesota.
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  • So it's a it's an exciting time.
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  • And, you know, it's just it's so sad to see
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  • How much the federal taxpayer gets ripped off by
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  • Unscrupulous individuals.
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  • You know, there are endless examples.
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  • The one that i mentioned in the open described
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  • A national park employee who over the years
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  • Stole $250,000 from people who were paying to go on tours.
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  • They caught her on videotape.
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  • How are most of these
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  • Federal workers caught, and what percentage of prosecuted?
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  • Not as much as you might think.
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  • And, you know,
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  • There's a referral process there to doj for that doj then
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  • To to exercise its prosecutorial discretion on that.
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  • You're reminding me managing, the national park service that,
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  • You know, this is not a new phenomenon either.
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  • So if i go back to my service in the bush 43 administration,
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  • When i was at the environment division,
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  • There was a famous case that involved,
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  • Something where, you know, there wasn't someone directly
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  • Lining their pockets, but it was someone doing,
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  • Something that was incredibly harmful to the national economy.
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  • Namely, they were planting links hairs,
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  • So that the endangered species act would get triggered
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  • As to particular regions. right.
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  • And the the upshot of that, alan, is that,
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  • You know, the the incredibly onerous regulatory
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  • Regime of the endangered species act would kick in.
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  • This can block, you know, the ability to to,
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  • Develop things on your land block
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  • The ability to get for federal permits
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  • So that you can make changes to your lands,
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  • Like, build a new road or put up a building.
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  • And so, you know,
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  • This caused a lot more damage than than $250,000, right?
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  • So that the amount of,
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  • Fraud in terms of dollars, whether you consider it
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  • In terms of its impacts, like this example
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  • I just gave about the the lynx, the canadian lynx, or,
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  • You know, it's it is something where somebody,
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  • You know, dipping their hand into the tail
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  • Or redirecting money to themselves
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  • That they're not entitled to get, is just, you know, vast
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  • And you know, i can also say that when i was in trump,
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  • 45, in the civil, the running, the civil division,
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  • You know, the false claim,
  • 00:11:29.350 --> 00:11:30.518
  • All false claims act cases run through the civil division.
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  • And if private people filed those cases, the civil
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  • Division gets to decide whether to let them
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  • Keep going forward or not.
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  • And, you know, i saw a lot of health care abuse,
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  • Going back then.
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  • And, you know, we we did our best even in trump 45
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  • To try to throw, the book at that, that kind of conduct,
  • 00:11:51.071 --> 00:11:54.909
  • You know, until president trump launched the doj's committee
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  • And then later appointed j.d.
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  • Vance to oversee the investigations of fraud.
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  • It's just all too easy to steal.
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  • And i get caught.
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  • Vance says that they're going after the thieves.
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  • Full steam ahead. listen to his comments.
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  • We've got 280 law enforcement officers
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  • Working on this problem.
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  • We really have the most accelerated, aggressive
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  • Anti-fraud operation
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  • That we've ever seen from the federal government.
  • 00:12:19.366 --> 00:12:21.669
  • And again, it's because the president,
  • 00:12:21.669 --> 00:12:23.137
  • United states, empowered his team to go after this.
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  • Will they be going after the
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  • Inside government fraud as well as the outsiders?
  • 00:12:27.775 --> 00:12:30.978
  • I think so, and i think, that the inside fraud
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  • Is especially disturbing, right, because people take
  • 00:12:35.783 --> 00:12:39.186
  • An oath of office when they join, even, you know,
  • 00:12:39.186 --> 00:12:42.489
  • People who are not at the tippy top of the executive branch.
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  • And so, you know, it's a it's a breach of the public trust.
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  • If you're talking about
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  • A private individual who is, you know, skimming
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  • Money out of, medicare, that's bad.
  • 00:12:53.934 --> 00:12:56.036
  • That's terrible.
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  • But, you know, i, i consider it to be multiplied
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  • When you're talking about public workers
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  • Who are abusing the public trust of their office.
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  • And, you know, that that's the kind of thing where,
  • 00:13:05.713 --> 00:13:08.549
  • Especially if criminal cases are brought against them
  • 00:13:08.549 --> 00:13:11.151
  • Becomes the basis for sentencing enhancements,
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  • And it should work like that.
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  • Well, jeff, we need to take a short break here.
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  • Will you stand by for another segment?
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  • I will, thank you.
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  • You can try logging on to ag now.com.
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  • I'll be right back.
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  • We're back now with the vice president of the litigation
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  • At the oversight project, jeff clark.
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  • Do you have any sense of why it seems to have become so easy
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  • For so many people to think it's okay
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  • For people to steal from the government?
  • 00:13:52.551 --> 00:13:54.320
  • Are the penalties too small?
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  • Too few and far between.
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  • What is it?
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  • I think that, the the penalty regime is healthy.
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  • Not that it couldn't be increased even more.
  • 00:14:03.362 --> 00:14:06.799
  • But i think the biggest problem
  • 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:08.301
  • Is the fact that the government is just too darn big.
  • 00:14:08.301 --> 00:14:11.904
  • Alan, you know, the more fingers,
  • 00:14:11.904 --> 00:14:14.974
  • The more pies it puts its fingers into
  • 00:14:14.974 --> 00:14:17.176
  • And the deeper it it, smashes its fingers into those pies,
  • 00:14:17.176 --> 00:14:21.847
  • The more opportunities there are for fraud.
  • 00:14:21.847 --> 00:14:24.550
  • And, you know, you just you wind up in a spot where
  • 00:14:24.550 --> 00:14:27.653
  • There aren't enough people to be watching everybody
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  • On a daily basis.
  • 00:14:31.190 --> 00:14:32.358
  • And, you know, the, the,
  • 00:14:32.358 --> 00:14:34.894
  • The moral standards of the country
  • 00:14:34.894 --> 00:14:36.662
  • Are such that a lot of people, if they're not being watched,
  • 00:14:36.662 --> 00:14:39.598
  • If there's not,
  • 00:14:39.598 --> 00:14:40.800
  • You know, a direct control, if there's not an automatic audit
  • 00:14:40.800 --> 00:14:44.136
  • That's going to, find them out and they know about that and,
  • 00:14:44.136 --> 00:14:47.173
  • You know, they're tempted to to get something for themselves,
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  • And you know, that that's bad enough.
  • 00:14:50.376 --> 00:14:52.912
  • But, you know, obviously, the industrial scale,
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  • Things we're seeing in california
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  • That have been exposed and in minnesota,
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  • I mean,
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  • Those are the things that really need to be prioritized.
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  • And that's that's where this new division
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  • And doj comes in, because they will look across the field
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  • And they'll prioritize
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  • Getting the biggest bang for the buck in terms of
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  • Where they put their enforcement resources
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  • So that they cut off as much fraud as possible.
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  • When cases like the clearing center and the many fraudulent
  • 00:15:19.972 --> 00:15:23.142
  • Hospice centers in california become so public,
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  • Does that drive more inside calls on theft
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  • Going and going on in government,
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  • Or calls to your organization to track them down?
  • 00:15:29.949 --> 00:15:33.152
  • Yes. so, you know,
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  • We will, receive tips from whistleblowers and,
  • 00:15:35.254 --> 00:15:39.358
  • You know, they'll contact us.
  • 00:15:39.992 --> 00:15:42.294
  • They can also report things to the inspectors
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  • General of the relevant
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  • Departments, like the inspector general of hhs,
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  • Based on on the example you just gave, california would be,
  • 00:15:49.869 --> 00:15:54.106
  • A good place for for people to start.
  • 00:15:54.106 --> 00:15:56.442
  • But, you know, we if we're contacted where
  • 00:15:56.442 --> 00:15:58.811
  • We'll be happy to,
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  • To talk to anyone who comes in through our website, and,
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  • You know, try to, to,
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  • Think about whether we might want to represent them
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  • Or if, you know, our resources don't permit that.
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  • You know where to send them so that,
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  • Their tips are processed by the appropriate folks
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  • As more cases of fraud are becoming public.
  • 00:16:20.199 --> 00:16:23.469
  • Do you expect that the fraud will slow down,
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  • Or will people just get better at hiding it?
  • 00:16:25.805 --> 00:16:29.108
  • Well, i think what i've observed over time
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  • Is that if there's a particular area that is very profitable,
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  • But then there's the enforcement initiative against it.
  • 00:16:36.615 --> 00:16:39.585
  • It's not like you can ever entirely root out
  • 00:16:39.585 --> 00:16:42.154
  • This problem, right? it's about our fallen human nature.
  • 00:16:42.154 --> 00:16:45.124
  • But then, you know, the criminal elements
  • 00:16:45.124 --> 00:16:47.326
  • Shift in to some new scam that they create.
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  • I should mention something else,
  • 00:16:50.396 --> 00:16:51.564
  • Which maybe not a lot of people know.
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  • But i did mention the false claims act.
  • 00:16:53.365 --> 00:16:55.434
  • So the false claims act and and the way it works goes back
  • 00:16:55.434 --> 00:16:58.504
  • All the way, you know, centuries to england,
  • 00:16:58.504 --> 00:17:02.007
  • To a latin term called key town.
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  • And so if you're someone who is inside an organization,
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  • Whether it's a government organization
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  • Or a, a private organization,
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  • Where the private organization has a contract
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  • With the federal government, right?
  • 00:17:17.022 --> 00:17:18.157
  • It has to have some nexus to the federal government
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  • Fisc being raided.
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  • Then you can come forward.
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  • You become what's called a relator.
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  • And if the federal government recovers money
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  • Or you fighting for them on their behalf, recovers money,
  • 00:17:30.169 --> 00:17:32.872
  • You get to keep a portion of that.
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  • And the rest of it goes into the fisc.
  • 00:17:34.807 --> 00:17:37.076
  • So there's a system that was created long ago
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  • By the, the english king that would allow,
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  • You know, incentives to be created to sort of avoid,
  • 00:17:43.415 --> 00:17:47.219
  • You know, fraud ripping off the government and,
  • 00:17:47.219 --> 00:17:49.955
  • Like,
  • 00:17:49.955 --> 00:17:50.856
  • If they needed to do that back at a time
  • 00:17:50.856 --> 00:17:52.458
  • When their governments were tiny.
  • 00:17:52.458 --> 00:17:54.527
  • Think how much, you know, more important that tool is now
  • 00:17:54.527 --> 00:17:58.130
  • When the federal government is just vast beyond measure.
  • 00:17:58.130 --> 00:18:02.434
  • Well, iowa's
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  • Republican senator joni ernst, she put it this way.
  • 00:18:03.836 --> 00:18:07.006
  • Any bureaucrat busted for treating government
  • 00:18:07.006 --> 00:18:09.008
  • Benefits like a self-service buffet should be served
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  • Their next tax payer funded meal behind bars.
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  • You're the vice president of litigation.
  • 00:18:16.115 --> 00:18:17.850
  • She's on the right track.
  • 00:18:17.850 --> 00:18:21.220
  • And since you mentioned you know her as an iowa senator,
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  • You know,
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  • One of the the main proponents of the false claims act,
  • 00:18:26.258 --> 00:18:29.495
  • Being interpreted to, to weed out, waste, fraud and abuse,
  • 00:18:29.495 --> 00:18:33.399
  • You know, to help her get what's,
  • 00:18:34.166 --> 00:18:36.569
  • They deserve in terms of, like, pointing that out,
  • 00:18:36.569 --> 00:18:39.138
  • Bringing it to the federal
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  • Government's attention so that the recovery can happen
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  • Is senator chuck grassley.
  • 00:18:43.242 --> 00:18:44.643
  • He's been on that, cause for for decades.
  • 00:18:44.643 --> 00:18:48.514
  • And, you know, he follows it very carefully.
  • 00:18:48.514 --> 00:18:51.050
  • So if there's any attempt
  • 00:18:51.050 --> 00:18:52.818
  • To kind of make, you know, some kind of, reduction
  • 00:18:52.818 --> 00:18:56.622
  • In scope of that statute, he, he shows up to oppose it
  • 00:18:56.622 --> 00:19:00.593
  • Because he thinks it's a vital tool.
  • 00:19:00.593 --> 00:19:02.628
  • And like i said, you know, it's it's a been a cause of his for
  • 00:19:02.628 --> 00:19:06.532
  • A very long time.
  • 00:19:06.532 --> 00:19:08.200
  • Well, jeff, thanks for your time today.
  • 00:19:09.068 --> 00:19:10.736
  • If someone listening knows of some egregious abuse
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  • Or fraud, where would they go to report it?
  • 00:19:13.372 --> 00:19:16.642
  • Well, like i said, you know, you if you know that
  • 00:19:16.642 --> 00:19:20.279
  • What part of the government it hits, you can then google, or,
  • 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:24.984
  • You know, use ai or whatever your search method
  • 00:19:24.984 --> 00:19:27.019
  • Is to look up,
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  • The inspector general for that department, for that agency.
  • 00:19:28.787 --> 00:19:32.157
  • That's one thing you can do.
  • 00:19:32.157 --> 00:19:33.726
  • Or, you know, if if,
  • 00:19:33.726 --> 00:19:36.695
  • You know, you you thought that, i might be able to be helpful.
  • 00:19:36.695 --> 00:19:39.665
  • And my colleagues,
  • 00:19:39.665 --> 00:19:40.866
  • We have a number of lawyers at the oversight project.
  • 00:19:40.866 --> 00:19:44.003
  • We could talk to you and, like i said, you know,
  • 00:19:44.003 --> 00:19:47.373
  • We might point you, in the right place to to the government if,
  • 00:19:47.373 --> 00:19:51.443
  • You can't quite figure that out.
  • 00:19:52.077 --> 00:19:53.279
  • And sometimes, again, given how vast the government is
  • 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.181
  • And the structures are so complicated, you may be like,
  • 00:19:56.181 --> 00:19:58.617
  • I don't know what agency this is in,
  • 00:19:58.617 --> 00:20:00.352
  • But we could help you track that down. awesome.
  • 00:20:00.352 --> 00:20:02.688
  • What's your website's name?
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  • It is.
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  • It's your gov.org.
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  • So just a word.
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  • It's your, why you you are gov.
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  • Gov.org.
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  • And there are no spaces between the the words.
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  • But we look forward to reporting on the progress
  • 00:20:19.204 --> 00:20:21.507
  • You make in the months ahead
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  • And hope you'll come back and tell us more when you can.
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  • Thank you pastor.
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  • We'll be back in just a moment.
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  • We'll be back in just a moment.
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  • To send your emails, your questions and thoughts.
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  • Kimberly from texas road.
  • 00:20:37.786 --> 00:20:39.721
  • Why did the comedians and talk shows
  • 00:20:39.721 --> 00:20:41.690
  • Think they should talk about our president the way they do?
  • 00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:44.693
  • It's sad.
  • 00:20:44.693 --> 00:20:46.628
  • I agree, it's sad sometimes.
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  • It's infuriating.
  • 00:20:48.296 --> 00:20:49.497
  • It seems to me that comedians,
  • 00:20:49.497 --> 00:20:51.900
  • Even education, have become more propaganda centers
  • 00:20:51.900 --> 00:20:55.303
  • Where they attack worldviews that they don't agree with.
  • 00:20:55.303 --> 00:20:57.872
  • They don't have to use logic or common sense.
  • 00:20:57.872 --> 00:21:00.141
  • They're just filled with anger and bitterness.
  • 00:21:00.141 --> 00:21:02.711
  • It's easy to change the channel,
  • 00:21:02.711 --> 00:21:03.945
  • And if you do so, you can change your attitude.
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  • Lee from georgia wrote
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  • Parents are now being held liable for allowing access
  • 00:21:09.551 --> 00:21:12.253
  • To guns for their children when they go to school
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  • And murder classmates and others.
  • 00:21:14.356 --> 00:21:16.658
  • Shouldn't rogue prosecutors and judges be held liable
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  • For releasing violent criminals back onto our streets?
  • 00:21:19.594 --> 00:21:22.931
  • Well, i'm not an attorney.
  • 00:21:23.498 --> 00:21:24.432
  • I don't know the ins and outs.
  • 00:21:24.432 --> 00:21:26.000
  • I am a citizen, and i know
  • 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:27.168
  • That we elect our prosecutors and many of our judges.
  • 00:21:27.168 --> 00:21:31.005
  • I think if we'll pay more attention
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  • At the ballot box and be more involved in the process.
  • 00:21:32.407 --> 00:21:35.977
  • This is an election year and election season for primaries.
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  • I hope you're planning to participate.
  • 00:21:39.547 --> 00:21:41.616
  • If you're not participating,
  • 00:21:41.616 --> 00:21:42.951
  • You are forfeiting the rights of citizenship.
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  • Finally, fred from katy, texas.
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  • What happens to good people when they die?
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  • Well, the question is not complete
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  • Because good is not
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  • The characteristic that determines our eternity.
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  • It's our relationship to the person of jesus of nazareth.
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  • And so good alone is not sufficient.
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  • I'm confident there will be good people in hell.
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  • Kind people, generous people, polite people.
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  • It's our relationship with jesus that determines our destiny.
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  • It's why we want to share
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  • The good news of what jesus has done in our lives.
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  • It'll help out our friends and family members.
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  • Thanks for the questions and for spending
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  • A few minutes of your day with us.
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  • God bless you and have a good evening.
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