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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Hardlines Position | Allen Jackson Now | April 29, 2026
- Good evening and welcome to nashville.
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- I'm alan jackson.
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- It's been said that a big part of iran's culture is to resist.
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- But that instinct goes back hundreds of years
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- And was heightened when iran was caught
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- Between the british
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- And russian empires in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
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- Iran wanted to have its own
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- National identity,
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- And they chose resistance over submission.
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- Well, today, that resistance looks like it may end up sinking
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- What's left of their broken government.
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- I say that because both the us and iran were set to meet again
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- Last week,
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- Until iran dug in
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- And said it wouldn't budge on the two points
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- That president trump has insisted on
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- No nuclear weapons and no blocking,
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- No tolls, no military action in the strait of hormuz.
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- The iran negotiator made things even worse when he said
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- He has yet to see if the us is truly serious about diplomacy
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- When it comes to president trump.
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- They're clearly playing games with the wrong guy.
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- Iran's resistance is self-destructive,
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- And the more time
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- Passes, the less oil income they have and the deeper
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- The hole in which they find themselves.
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- You know, iran's regime has
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- Exported terror and instability in the region for decades.
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- I'm grateful for the bold
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- And courageous approach being taken
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- By this administration in confronting evil.
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- It's remarkable the changes that are swirling around us
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- These days and the multitude of opinions around it.
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- Yet the reality of change is it is never embraced by everyone.
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- The united states stepped into a direct confrontation
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- With iran.
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- Well, you'd expect the nato alliance built on decades
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- Of shared defense to show up in a meaningful way.
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- Instead, what did we see?
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- Well, spain outright refused cooperation, blocking u.s.
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- Key use of bases and restricting airspace.
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- The u.k.
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- Well, they first delayed and then limited base access
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- Despite being america's closest ally, germany.
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- Well, they criticized the u.s.
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- For acting without european input.
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- The german chancellor took it a step further recently
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- At a public event
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- By saying the following about the united states.
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- And i quote an entire nation is being humiliated by
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- The iranian leadership.
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- Well, let's call this what it is.
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- This is a stress test for nato.
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- Our allies, our supposed friends.
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- And right now.
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- Well, the results are shaky at best.
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- Maybe it's time that we reframe what a friend is.
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- We all know the difference between
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- A friend and word and a friend.
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- Indeed, a friend in word who isn't president.
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- When you need a deed, it's not a true friend.
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- Well, what about israel?
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- During this war,
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- They have proven to be a friend of the united states
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- When an american pilot went down behind enemy lines.
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- It wasn't just u.s. assets scrambling.
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- Israeli intelligence stepped in. they helped locate
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- Him and helped make that rescue possible.
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- Well, nato allies sit back and criticize.
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- Israel is actively contributing real time intelligence
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- Coordination and battlefield support when it matters most.
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- I have personal friends that have worked
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- For the israeli government that lived in germany.
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- The islamic population in germany was so aggressive
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- They couldn't
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- Even go into restaurants without personal security.
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- So the german chancellor speaking like that.
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- I think he's probably
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- Playing to his base,
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- Trying to secure popular sentiment at home.
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- And he doesn't really care about whether or not
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- He's being a true friend of the united states.
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- Rather than have our fantasies
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- About what our european countries are.
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- We've got to reevaluate and talk about it in more real terms.
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- I think they are global leaders in poor policy.
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- They've abandoned their citizens to outside influences
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- With their open border policies.
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- They want their handouts from the united states.
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- They want our fine young men and women
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- To defend them if they compete with us with unfair tariffs.
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- They don't join us and the efforts
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- We make to defend them from the threats
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- Against their freedom and liberty.
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- Iran's regime has exported terror
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- And instability around the world for decades.
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- European intelligence has repeatedly uncovered iranian
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- Plots aimed at assassinating or attacking citizens
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- Living in countries like france and germany,
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- Iran link networks, or they've been tied to arson,
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- Vandalism, targeted attacks on jewish institutions across
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- The uk and europe.
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- Now, author scott peck, in his book people of the lie,
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- Wrote that evil will only yield to a power greater than itself.
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- You can't negotiate with evil.
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- You can't bargain with evil.
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- You can't reason with evil.
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- That's why we call it evil.
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- And in confronting evil, new possibilities are opening
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- In a region of the world that seemed impenetrable for decades.
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- A weakened iranian regime can mean hope
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- For people who've lived under tyranny.
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- I'm imagining the excitement
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- Within the younger generations of iranians
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- Who are giving themselves permission,
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- For the first time, to believe that freedom is possible.
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- Where there's tremendous pressure, persecution
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- And arrest,
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- Let's have the imagination that the believers in iran
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- Will instead have the privilege of worshiping in public.
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- Let there come enough openness in iran
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- That in the streets of tehran,
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- The people will be able
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- To gather and express glory and honor to jesus of nazareth
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- As the lord and king, be courageous.
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- God's moving in the earth.
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- He's doing some remarkable things.
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- Well, in just a
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- Moment, we'll be joined by al araiza, jafar zaidi.
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- He's the deputy director
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- Of the national council of resistance of iran.
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- I'll be right back after this break.
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- I'll be right back after this break.
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- Well, the world would like to know
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- If there's still the potential for a settlement with iran.
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- But the oil markets disrupted the stubbornness
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- And disorganization of iran's
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- Negotiators have left everyone wondering what's next?
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- Well, all araiza offers today is the deputy director
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- Of the national council of resistance in iran.
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- And he joins us again now from washington.
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- Welcome back, sir.
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- Thank you so much.
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- Always a pleasure to be with you.
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- Pastor jackson, i spoke at the top of the program
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- About iran's deeply seated instinct to resist.
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- Does that include resistance to the point of death?
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- I'm asking because of the way they are
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- Treating the negotiations with president trump.
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- He might give up, and so might the iranian people.
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- Now, do you see the possibility of a deal?
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- Well, at least the
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- Way i've seen it in the past few weeks,
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- But also in the past,
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- 40 plus years that the mullahs have been dealing
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- With the rest of the world.
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- They have no intention of changing their behavior.
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- What the regime is trying to do is to drag the issue,
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- Drag the talks by time, postpone everything,
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- So that they wouldn't have to abandon their nuclear weapons
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- Program, their missile program, their support for terrorism,
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- The support for their, the proxies in the region
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- And also, the killing of their own population.
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- So they're just trying to see how far they can push
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- The envelope.
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- And and that's why i think it's so important to understand
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- That, you know, the way that iran regime operates.
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- The second point they have is that this regime has never
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- Been so weak.
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- They have been devastated,
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- Not just because of the military blows that they have received,
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- But also as a result
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- Of their own population rejecting this regime.
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- You know, you've seen the, the protests in,
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- January of this year that the regime had to kill
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- Thousands and thousands of people, to stay in power.
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- And they're continuing, to do that.
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- But these models are masters of deception.
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- They portray themselves as though they are
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- The ones who have the upper hand.
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- They portray their project power,
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- Whereas in reality, their, they're extremely weak
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- And rotten to the core.
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- Well, president trump says that iran has informed us
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- That they are in a state of collapse,
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- And they want us to open the hormuz strait.
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- Those are the president's words.
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- And this is how he left the possibility
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- Of new negotiations a few days ago.
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- Listen to the call.
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- If they want to talk, they can come to us
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- Or they can call us. you know, there is a telephone.
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- We have nice secure lines. although i'm not sure
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- Any telephone line is secure, frankly.
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- But we have secure lines.
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- And if they want, we can talk.
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- Is the problem that they have no single person
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- In charge to make the call?
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- Well, even if they did have a single person in charge,
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- You still saw the same kind of behavior, of the iranian regime.
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- Certainly.
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- There's a lot more chaos, within the regime than it was before.
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- But that's how the regime operates.
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- They rely heavily, on their nuclear weapons program
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- And their terrorism, to stay in power.
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- They rely heavily on repression inside iran.
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- If they abandon those, key parts
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- Of key pillars of their, their rule,
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- They could actually exactly as the president said,
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- They could collapse. from within.
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- And they have no other means, to stay in power.
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- That's why i think it's important for,
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- You know, anyone who is getting involved
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- In the negotiations with that with tehran to insist
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- On those red lines, to insist that the iran regime
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- Has to abandon its entirety of its nuclear weapons program,
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- Not keeping some bits
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- And pieces here and there and then eventually reviving it.
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- Their, you know, missile program is for nothing
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- But but threatening the countries in the region.
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- Their terror network, which is very costly to
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- The iranian people, is just you know, giving them leverage,
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- In the region.
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- All of that has to come to an end.
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- But most importantly, pastor, jackson, you know, the,
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- Issue of the human rights, the killings inside
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- Iran is very important.
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- That should become a top priority
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- In any agreement with tehran that they must stop
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- Executing their political prisoners,
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- Which they have started a wave of.
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- And see, this march of this year.
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- Well, the current regime in iran has demonstrated
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- No credibility
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- That they will treat their population in a humane way.
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- Should we imagine even if they sign
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- Such an agreement, that they would honor it?
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- Oh, absolutely not.
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- It's not about what
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- They sign on the paper, but it's all about accountability.
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- Whatever agreement you make on any issue,
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- Whether it's nuclear missile terrorism or domestic
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- Repression, it all has to be backed up
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- By means and to, you know, hold them accountable.
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- In case of violation, which i'm sure given their nature,
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- They would all.
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- But unfortunately, so far in the past decades, the regime
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- Just agreed to something, but they never delivered anything.
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- They got away with things.
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- Not only that, but they turned their terrorism
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- Into a most profitable element of their policy.
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- They took people hostage, you know, western nationals,
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- And they asked for concessions, you know, pallets
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- Of cash or billions of dollars,
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- And then release them only to take more later on.
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- And that language that
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- Iran has used has become very effective. why?
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- Because the western nations agreed to play
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- That game, which you're always going to be a loser.
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- If you allow the iranian regime to use their terrorism
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- As leverage, their hostage taking
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- And what they call the, you know, the hostage diplomacy,
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- That's why all of that has to be, ended.
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- And there has to be accountability.
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- The regime has to pay the price for every single violation
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- Of their agreements or their terrorism
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- Or their missile program or the killings inside iran.
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- Well, isn't it true that with no oil sales in the storage
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- Tanks and ships near capacity, that iran risk losing everything
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- The oil industry and the income from it?
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- Absolutely.
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- This regime, as i said in the beginning,
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- They're not at the driver's seat.
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- They don't have the upper hand.
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- There are weak there are vulnerable,
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- Whether it's their oil export, whether it's the economy
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- Which has been horrible, horrible.
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- And, you know, to begin with, the regime has cut off.
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- The internet is now, two months.
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- And, aside from the damage it causes, the population,
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- The whole economy, you know, nothing is really operating.
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- You know, everything relies on the internet nowadays.
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- So that's a huge loss for the for the society.
- 00:12:56.527 --> 00:13:00.598
- But the regime wants to, just maintain that position
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- To see if you if they can get
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- The western side, the united states to buckle.
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- You know, on that.
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- And that's why we need to understand that
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- The president of the united states
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- And others who are involved, they need to understand
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- That this regime is weak, they're vulnerable.
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- It's the mullahs, who have to back down, not anybody else.
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- Well, araiza, please stay with us for another segment.
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- We need to take a short break. i'll be right back.
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- We need to take a short break. i'll be right back.
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- We're back now with ali rasiej.
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- He's the author of the iran threat and the deputy director
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- Of the national council on the resistance of iran.
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- Do you think it's possible that the white house is giving
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- The people more time to get organized,
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- And to get the weapons that the u.s.
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- Sent in by way of the kurds?
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- Well, i think the,
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- Most important element when it comes to u.s.
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- Policy is to recognize
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- The rights of the people of iran to overthrow this regime,
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- Recognize their right to confront
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- The revolutionary guards, recognize their rights to,
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- Confront them, and disarming them.
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- That's really what's happening on the ground
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- During the uprising in january and even afterwards.
- 00:14:23.351 --> 00:14:27.188
- People have realized that, you know, it's not enough
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- To just come to the streets and,
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- Protest in large numbers in all 31 provinces of the country,
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- Because the other side, the mullahs have the gun.
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- You need to be able to have the means to confront them.
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- And that's why i just give you an example.
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- Just five days before the start of the war,
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- On february 23rd of this year,
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- The main iranian opposition movement, the mek,
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- They use the members of their resistance units.
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- These are mostly young people.
- 00:14:59.487 --> 00:15:01.322
- About 250 of them, worked in unison in a single,
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- Launch of assault and operation against the headquarters of,
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- Then supreme leader ali khamenei was still alive
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- And, and, delivered major blows in the heart of tehran.
- 00:15:14.335 --> 00:15:18.373
- That's the most secure place in the whole nation.
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- Showing the, you know, the, the courage, the capability,
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- The intent of, their population, the organized resistance.
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- And this happened
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- Just some months after the massacre
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- That the regime did against the population,
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- Which was intended to subdue and and, you know, pacify
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- The whole population.
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- Yet you can see, a nation rising.
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- So i think before we think about weapons or anything like that,
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- We should be sending the right signals, to, tehran,
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- Both to the people of iran and to the iranian regime.
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- For instance, when the regime started
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- Executing political prisoners in iran, there were eight
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- Members of the main iranian opposition, the mujahideen.
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- How the mek, which i have their pictures here
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- On, on top that there they were murdered there
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- Among them were,
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- You know, very young people from in their early 30s to,
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- People who were in their 50s, engineers, lawyers,
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- Top ranks of the iranian society.
- 00:16:24.939 --> 00:16:27.542
- But they were they held in the prisons,
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- Some of them from, you know, 2 to 3 or 4 or 5 years.
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- And their crime was that there were, members of the main
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- Opposition movement, the mek, which is the same movement.
- 00:16:38.086 --> 00:16:41.489
- They expose all the major nuclear sites of iran and acts
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- As an engine for change during their protest.
- 00:16:44.425 --> 00:16:47.662
- And, they want them to come on tv
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- And confess and back down and endorse the regime.
- 00:16:51.933 --> 00:16:55.369
- They didn't they they held firm.
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- And right before they were sent to the gallows to be executed,
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- All of them later on, the all these eight
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- People stood next to each other.
- 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.548
- They sang, you know, songs of victory that, no matter
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- What you do killing us, we're going to be victorious.
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- Our nation will defeat you.
- 00:17:15.423 --> 00:17:17.525
- This is the spirit of a nation that the regime
- 00:17:17.525 --> 00:17:20.595
- Has no solution for it.
- 00:17:20.595 --> 00:17:22.497
- And then the regime sentenced to death.
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- Others who were arrested during the,
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- January of this year uprising among the very young people.
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- And they started killing them.
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- At least nine of them have been executed.
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- Very young people.
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- I have the picture of, one of them, just as well.
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- This is amitabh was saying hi to me, a musician.
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- He was only 18 years old when he was executed.
- 00:17:44.819 --> 00:17:48.289
- So innocent.
- 00:17:48.289 --> 00:17:50.057
- The important thing is that he stood
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- Firm during the supposedly the trial, the court.
- 00:17:52.460 --> 00:17:55.796
- And he said, yes, i'm the one that i went
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- And i wanted to disarm the revolutionary guards.
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- I wanted to be part of the force to overthrow the regime.
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- This is the new iran.
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- This is the generation, of iran that is defying,
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- That are working hand in hand,
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- That are organizing, that are not waiting
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- For the regime to moderate this behavior
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- Or anybody, anything else.
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- That's the reality.
- 00:18:17.685 --> 00:18:18.920
- And i think that the
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- The president, the united states, europe
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- And everybody else has to understand
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- And has to side with them.
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- These killings must be condemned unequivocally
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- And any, killing in the future, the regime should also
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- Be held accountable for them.
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- Amen.
- 00:18:37.171 --> 00:18:38.172
- Well, there was a glimmer of hope late last week
- 00:18:38.172 --> 00:18:41.175
- When iran responded to president trump's request
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- To not hang or kill the group of young women
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- They were holding from the protest.
- 00:18:45.980 --> 00:18:48.049
- What sort of signal was that, if any, to the president?
- 00:18:48.049 --> 00:18:52.353
- Well, i don't know all the details about that,
- 00:18:53.321 --> 00:18:55.723
- But one thing i know we've learned over the years,
- 00:18:55.723 --> 00:18:58.659
- This regime only responds to pressure,
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- Firmness, and decisiveness.
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- If you are nice to them, if you give them concessions,
- 00:19:04.699 --> 00:19:07.201
- If you give them money and arms and, you know, legitimacy,
- 00:19:07.201 --> 00:19:11.505
- You know,
- 00:19:11.806 --> 00:19:12.840
- You're going to be doomed because the regime,
- 00:19:12.840 --> 00:19:15.309
- You give them an inch, they'll take a mile
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- And they will ask for more.
- 00:19:17.178 --> 00:19:19.080
- That's the mentality they have.
- 00:19:19.080 --> 00:19:20.781
- That's the way they have.
- 00:19:20.781 --> 00:19:21.983
- They are built, this regime is built on
- 00:19:21.983 --> 00:19:25.119
- Intimidation, terror, hostage taking and threatening others.
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- So if that's the only language you understand,
- 00:19:29.824 --> 00:19:32.526
- You need to confront them with firmness and decisiveness.
- 00:19:32.526 --> 00:19:35.529
- And i know the president of the united president, did mention
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- That this is the only language that the mullahs understand.
- 00:19:39.533 --> 00:19:42.403
- I think, that should be
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- The dominant approach to the policy of the u.s.,
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- Telling the iranian regime that these freedom fighters of iran,
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- We are on their side.
- 00:19:51.679 --> 00:19:53.681
- You have no right whatsoever
- 00:19:53.681 --> 00:19:55.182
- To even touch them, let alone imprisoned or killing them.
- 00:19:55.182 --> 00:19:59.520
- We were going to call them freedom fighters.
- 00:19:59.520 --> 00:20:02.123
- And we will hold it.
- 00:20:02.123 --> 00:20:03.190
- We will hold you accountable for, for harming them.
- 00:20:03.190 --> 00:20:06.193
- That's the kind of approach that they should come from,
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- The united states or europe.
- 00:20:09.463 --> 00:20:11.232
- You will see the impact it will have within the society,
- 00:20:11.232 --> 00:20:14.568
- Among the explosive society that the people in large numbers
- 00:20:14.568 --> 00:20:19.607
- Want this regime out, but also it creates fear
- 00:20:19.607 --> 00:20:23.044
- Among the revolutionary guards, among the regime,
- 00:20:23.044 --> 00:20:25.713
- That they understand that the the whole world has now changed.
- 00:20:25.713 --> 00:20:29.950
- This is not the policy of appeasement that the west
- 00:20:29.950 --> 00:20:32.853
- Pursued, over the past 4 or 5 decades.
- 00:20:32.853 --> 00:20:36.057
- This is a whole new era that they need to see in action.
- 00:20:36.057 --> 00:20:39.493
- Well, ali reza, thank you for your time today.
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- We are all praying for the real freedom of iran's people.
- 00:20:42.863 --> 00:20:47.802
- Thank you so much.
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- Pastor jackson, always a pleasure.
- 00:20:50.538 --> 00:20:52.440
- And, you know,
- 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:53.541
- We have a lot of work to do, a lot of messaging out.
- 00:20:53.541 --> 00:20:56.077
- This coming saturday, may 16th, there's
- 00:20:56.077 --> 00:20:59.747
- Going to be a large rally in front of the us capitol.
- 00:20:59.747 --> 00:21:03.751
- Thousands of people will come.
- 00:21:03.751 --> 00:21:05.953
- Their call is for ending day.
- 00:21:05.953 --> 00:21:07.722
- The executions in iran,
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- But calling for freedom and democracy, in the country.
- 00:21:09.223 --> 00:21:12.793
- We need to galvanize all of the voices that there.
- 00:21:12.793 --> 00:21:16.330
- And i really appreciate the,
- 00:21:16.330 --> 00:21:18.666
- The opportunity and the work you are doing
- 00:21:18.666 --> 00:21:21.335
- In spreading the word and spreading the message.
- 00:21:21.335 --> 00:21:24.572
- Well, let's stay in touch as the showdown plays itself out.
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- I'll be right back after a short break.
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