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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Israel Narrative | Allen Jackson NOW | June 5, 2026
- So you're on the
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- Road a good bit in churches all over the country?
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- Yeah. miami.
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- I was in houston.
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- Here i am in tennessee.
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- Yeah. so what do you see in.
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- Well, there's there is certainly a revival.
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- And i'm watching in a number of churches that i attend.
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- First of all, the real world doesn't live on x.
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- And everywhere, i thank god.
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- Yeah, man.
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- Everywhere i go,
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- No one's talking about what they're talking about on x.
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- No one even cares.
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- And we're watching as churches are going deeper
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- And getting stronger.
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- However, what we're also seeing
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- Is and i've been noticing this
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- In our 250 year history come this july 4th,
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- 30% of the electorate
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- In the united states are evangelical christians.
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- 70% of the republican party are evangelical christians.
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- Never before in 250 years of history have has
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- The evangelical church been divided over israel and jews.
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- And now, with this introduction of what they call integral ism,
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- Which is an obscure ideology of,
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- A weird sect of catholicism,
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- Integral part of the catholic church,
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- What westboro
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- Baptist is to protestants,
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- They carry the name, but they don't represent them.
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- 95% of catholics have no idea about integral ism.
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- But these are ethno nationalist.
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- They're they're repackaging.
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- Tell our listeners what you mean by integral ism,
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- Because integral ism is an ideology
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- In a very small
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- Sect of catholicism that says the vatican will have
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- Dominion over all earthly governments and direct them.
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- So it's like a protestant move of dominionism.
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- And and so there's a strong ethno nationalism that there is
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- A, a repackaging of all of the eastern and western european,
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- You know, blood libel, christ killer,
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- All the labels
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- That they give to jews, they've repackaged it
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- And they've introduced in the united states,
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- And there's a huge artificial intelligence move to try to
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- Capture the minds of, of 18 to 30 year olds and even younger.
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- And we're watching as there is a division over israel.
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- And i
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- Love what, doctor james lindsay says, he says, if, if,
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- If in the last two years, you never had prior to that,
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- You never had an opinion on israel, now you hate them.
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- You have been subject to a psyop.
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- And, and they are they're buying it hook, line and sinker.
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- So pastors
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- Need to start talking about it
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- More and addressing it and standing.
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- So i'm
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- I've answered more questions about israel in the last 60 days
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- Than i probably answered in the last ten years.
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- I get that everywhere, too. yeah.
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- You know, and i'm in.
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- A lot of parents are calling me
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- Because they've got 20 somethings
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- And they're coming home from college or wherever
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- With a new hatred for israel or the jewish people.
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- And and they're trying to engage in that.
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- So some of the things i'm hearing is the jews of today
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- Are not the jews of the bible.
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- You want to speak to that one?
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- Yeah.
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- So they they divided between ashkenazi and sephardic.
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- And so ashkenazi jews, have no dna that connects them
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- To the jewish race, which, first of all, is not true.
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- That's been disproven time and time again.
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- But it's simple to buy in.
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- And it's also something that was put forward in the 1800s.
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- It's just being repackaged.
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- And you are a sucker.
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- And they play a game called six degrees of separation
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- To blame a jew for anything.
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- So you have 15 million jews worldwide, 7.5 million
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- In israel.
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- A little more, a little more than a third in the u.s.
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- And the rest are scattered throughout the world.
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- And these 15 million people
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- Are responsible for all the world's ills.
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- And i think this directly comes from critical race theory
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- And diversity, equity and inclusion,
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- Where you take a white heterosexual male
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- And you put them at the bottom of the food chain,
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- And now they look around for somebody to pick on.
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- Well, you know, jews can be a peculiar people.
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- They've, they've, they're
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- They've got idiosyncrasies in the way they operate.
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- And, and you stand out with the, the clothes that they wear.
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- I remember pastor allen, i was in the second grade.
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- My dad was in the navy.
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- We moved from the east coast to the west coast,
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- And i got there in the summers.
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- Yeah. and i got there in the summer.
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- I was seven years old and and i didn't make any friends.
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- And now it's the first day of school,
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- And i come in wearing clothes from the east coast,
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- And these kids are laughing at me,
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- And i realize this isn't going to go well.
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- So i looked around the room and i went home,
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- And i looked around the room and i found another target
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- That i could pick on and make fun of.
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- And it was a kid with, you know, red hair and coke bottle,
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- Thick glasses and a runny nose and stains on his shirt.
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- And i started making fun of him,
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- And all the kids started laughing.
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- And i did that in the second grade,
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- Third grade, fourth grade, fifth grade.
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- That's charlie wood.
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- Talk about this idea of blaming jews for everything as
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- Laziness in, in, in your critical thinking.
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- And it's, it's it's because you want to blame
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- Somebody for your failure.
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- And you say, well, the the jews, jews are on all the money.
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- They run hollywood,
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- You know,
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- We can find that in every group of people.
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- And then they invoke, what is it, revelation
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- Two and three, that they're the synagogue of satan.
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- And you can only be a real jew if you've embraced christ.
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- Well, galatians says
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- Neither greek nor jew, slave nor free, male nor female.
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- So if you don't receive christ, are you no longer greek?
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- You no longer a woman?
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- Your social status changes.
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- It just doesn't work that way.
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- And we miss the 2 billion muslims
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- And the 50 muslim nations, 90% or more in the 1040 window
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- Longitude and latitude, where 90% of the muslim world exists.
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- You want to talk about genocide, where those indigenous peoples
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- And and israel, you know, when they were invaded on
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- October 7th and they, hamas, invaded their sovereign borders.
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- Whether you're replacement theologian or not,
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- They and they, their sovereign borders were invaded.
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- They murdered 1200 of their people.
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- Then they captured others and took them into 500
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- Miles of underground tunnels.
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- Then they murdered him in the most brutal, most brutal
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- And raping. it's just awful.
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- So just so americans can understand
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- In a nation of 7.5 million people, let's
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- Equate that to our country.
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- A nation of 370 million.
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- It'd be the equivalent of of a sinaloa jihadist cartel
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- Crossing the mexican border into texas,
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- Going to university of texas during a, concert
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- Event for the college students
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- And murdering 35,000 university of texas students,
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- Then exiting and on their way back across the border,
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- They stop at smu and kidnap the entire freshman class,
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- Bring them over the border,
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- And put them under 500 miles of tunnels.
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- Whether raping them in abusing them, what would america do?
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- Mexico would be
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- Glowing right now, i pray. and,
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- You know, i i've been there.
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- I was i was on the border where the three kibbutzim are.
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- These were secular socialist jews
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- That were pro-palestinian and marched in the pro-palestinian.
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- They went thinking they heard gunfire,
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- That they were doing another celebration
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- And gathered, and they started shooting them.
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- Many of the most liberal israelis.
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- Yeah,
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- That were the most compassionate towards the
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- The people living in the west bank or in the, in gaza strip,
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- Gaza strip.
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- Gaza strip.
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- But i've heard people say
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- That the israelis did that on purpose,
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- So they would have an excuse to respond to gaza,
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- Which.
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- They make statements like that with no credible,
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- No, no credible support.
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- But but people will immediately buy it
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- Because they have a hatred.
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- They just have a hatred.
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- It's intrinsic.
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- Somebody said to me,
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- You know, the jews are responsible
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- For the murder of charlie.
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- I said, how's that?
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- Well, you know,
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- Because so-and-so saw that that was attributed
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- To their going through all these iterations.
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- I said, why isn't anybody investigating south korea?
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- And the person goes, excuse me?
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- I said, i was with charlie four days
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- Before he was murdered in south korea.
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- And the pastor that he met with is now in prison,
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- And everyone else that he met with is being investigated, or
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- Their churches are being raided.
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- And their response was, well,
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- South korea doesn't
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- Have dirt on the president or on the congressional members
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- Or our supreme court.
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- I said, no, but china does.
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- But you're not.
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- You've already started with the person you want to blame.
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- You're just working backwards.
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- That's lazy.
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- And the church feeds the narrative
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- With some of our ancient tropes
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- That the jews are responsible for killing jesus.
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- Last time i checked, the crucifixion
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- Was still a roman punishment.
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- And jesus said, no man takes my life.
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- I willingly lay it down.
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- He came to die.
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- He was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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- And you want to blame jews? no.
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- He died because of your sin and my sin.
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- That's why he died.
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- Well, the other one, i hear the jews rejected jesus
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- And therefore they've been rejected.
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- The last time i checked,
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- The non-jewish world, the gentile world,
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- We've had almost two millennia with the gospel.
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- And how many of us?
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- And if you look around the globe, it's
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- Not exactly like
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- We've overwhelmed everybody with our receptivity of jesus.
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- Well, they say that all the kings were apostate.
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- Name one denomination in america at one point
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- Or another that didn't have an apostate position.
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- And you add, you know, if you want to talk
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- About sephardic and ashkenazi,
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- Let's look at the lineage of david.
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- Ruth the moabite is
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- That's in the lineage of not just david, but
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- Also jesus, both on the mother and father's lineage.
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- So you're you're messiah who's
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- Jewish, has a moabite, is in the lineage.
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- And you're saying, well, you know,
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- Is she jewish?
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- Can you convert to judaism?
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- Is it spiritual and ethnic?
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- And what is an american?
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- I mean, i can live in japan my entire life,
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- Become a japanese citizen.
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- I'll never be japanese,
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- But anyone who comes to america becomes an american
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- Because it's not an ethnicity. it's an idea.
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- But there are a number of citizens in the united states
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- Who have no idea what it means
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- To be an american, yet they have citizenship.
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- So you're going to have a varied depiction of it.
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- And i remember
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- When tucker carlson was talking to ambassador huckabee
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- And he said, would they have to prove their dna?
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- And i said,
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- Why don't we just do the tests that they did in nazi germany
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- That was sufficient enough to put them in concentration
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- Camps and gassed them and burn their bodies?
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- Is that what you want, tucker?
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- Is that where we are now?
- 00:10:50.243 --> 00:10:51.878
- The jews have to prove their dna.
- 00:10:51.878 --> 00:10:55.348
- It's just it's it's vile.
- 00:10:55.348 --> 00:10:57.917
- It is.
- 00:10:57.917 --> 00:10:59.719
- Imagine saying to the indigenous people of america,
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- You're not legitimate because you're you're
- 00:11:03.356 --> 00:11:05.892
- You have no connection to the people
- 00:11:05.892 --> 00:11:07.627
- That used to live here.
- 00:11:07.627 --> 00:11:09.129
- You know, you're not an apache any longer or a cherokee or,
- 00:11:09.129 --> 00:11:13.967
- I mean, you'd be shouted down in the public square so quickly
- 00:11:13.967 --> 00:11:16.970
- There'd be no conversation. yeah.
- 00:11:16.970 --> 00:11:19.038
- And yet we tolerate this
- 00:11:19.038 --> 00:11:20.240
- Kind of hatred towards the jewish people.
- 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:22.609
- I lived i lived in israel.
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- I studied at hebrew university.
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- And i went to israel the first time when i was a boy.
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- So i have always
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- Had a connection to the people, to the land.
- 00:11:30.216 --> 00:11:31.851
- I didn't understand the degree
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- To which the american jewish community felt isolated
- 00:11:33.119 --> 00:11:35.722
- Until i was actually in the midst
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- Of a group of those students that were there on their,
- 00:11:37.791 --> 00:11:40.593
- Junior year abroad.
- 00:11:40.593 --> 00:11:42.629
- And i gained a whole new compassion for them.
- 00:11:42.629 --> 00:11:45.598
- And then to watch what's happened
- 00:11:45.598 --> 00:11:46.833
- In this last few months,
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- Or really since october 7th, is i never thought i would see it
- 00:11:49.402 --> 00:11:52.806
- In america like this.
- 00:11:52.806 --> 00:11:54.374
- And it's the ancient hatreds.
- 00:11:54.374 --> 00:11:56.376
- It's all driven by a spirit. it's a spirit of antichrist.
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- Yeah.
- 00:11:58.812 --> 00:11:59.779
- That hates the purposes of god in the earth.
- 00:11:59.779 --> 00:12:02.582
- Well, and you're you're missing what's happening,
- 00:12:02.582 --> 00:12:05.485
- Especially in iran, where you you have a sect of islam
- 00:12:05.485 --> 00:12:10.056
- Whose eschatology with the mahdi mirrors
- 00:12:10.890 --> 00:12:14.561
- Almost like perfectly are antichrist,
- 00:12:14.561 --> 00:12:18.131
- And they want to expedite it.
- 00:12:18.131 --> 00:12:19.699
- And if they can get a nuclear weapon
- 00:12:19.699 --> 00:12:21.234
- And now you know, at that point they were getting the hardware
- 00:12:21.234 --> 00:12:25.138
- From north korea to be able to launch.
- 00:12:25.138 --> 00:12:26.639
- And mad no longer works for a, a nuclear deterrent
- 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.878
- Because you got somebody who is an outlier
- 00:12:31.878 --> 00:12:34.647
- That that you can't trust with a finger on the trigger.
- 00:12:34.647 --> 00:12:37.817
- They cannot have that weapon.
- 00:12:37.817 --> 00:12:39.919
- And so we have a common enemy.
- 00:12:40.520 --> 00:12:42.155
- So israel participates along with america,
- 00:12:42.155 --> 00:12:45.091
- And all of a sudden they're saying that that israel
- 00:12:45.091 --> 00:12:47.093
- Is driving
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- America's foreign policy and that islam
- 00:12:47.927 --> 00:12:50.263
- Didn't hate america and tell the jews.
- 00:12:50.263 --> 00:12:51.965
- And i'm thinking,
- 00:12:51.965 --> 00:12:53.700
- You haven't heard the marine corps hymn the shores of tripoli
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- With with corsairs from, from,
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- You know, the muslim world that would come in and
- 00:13:00.974 --> 00:13:03.209
- Capture our, our ships and enslave our sailors.
- 00:13:03.209 --> 00:13:06.946
- And it was one of the largest expenditures
- 00:13:06.946 --> 00:13:08.681
- In our american budget to come over and put the kibosh on that.
- 00:13:08.681 --> 00:13:13.286
- And they said, we have the right to do this
- 00:13:13.286 --> 00:13:15.154
- Because we're the caliphate.
- 00:13:15.154 --> 00:13:17.190
- We've we rule. and we can
- 00:13:17.190 --> 00:13:18.992
- Subject you to slavery if we desire,
- 00:13:18.992 --> 00:13:21.995
- As awful.
- 00:13:21.995 --> 00:13:29.010
- As awful.
- 00:13:29.010 --> 00:13:33.241
- So many people i've interacted with and
- 00:13:34.042 --> 00:13:35.877
- Talked to the the fuel for this is coming from the internet.
- 00:13:35.877 --> 00:13:40.215
- But there's
- 00:13:40.548 --> 00:13:41.583
- Very little rebuttal coming from the churches.
- 00:13:41.583 --> 00:13:44.853
- And without the jewish people we have no story.
- 00:13:44.853 --> 00:13:47.022
- That's romans,
- 00:13:47.022 --> 00:13:48.323
- We have no scriptures, we have no prophets,
- 00:13:48.323 --> 00:13:50.091
- We have no covenants, we have no messiah,
- 00:13:50.091 --> 00:13:52.761
- We have nothing to look forward to.
- 00:13:52.761 --> 00:13:54.095
- In the book of revelation,
- 00:13:54.095 --> 00:13:55.063
- Jesus is still the lion of the tribe of judah.
- 00:13:55.063 --> 00:13:57.565
- He's not identified as the head of the church.
- 00:13:57.565 --> 00:13:59.134
- He is the head of the church.
- 00:13:59.134 --> 00:14:00.001
- But that's not the label they gave him
- 00:14:00.001 --> 00:14:01.169
- In the book of revelation. no.
- 00:14:01.169 --> 00:14:03.338
- So we need the church to find its voice and tell the truth.
- 00:14:03.338 --> 00:14:06.408
- Get some young guys out there doing it.
- 00:14:07.275 --> 00:14:08.543
- But there needs to be more.
- 00:14:08.543 --> 00:14:10.478
- I would i you know, i when jesus i think it was in luke
- 00:14:10.478 --> 00:14:14.516
- Instead of so long to celebrate this passover with you.
- 00:14:14.516 --> 00:14:18.119
- Pesach in
- 00:14:18.420 --> 00:14:19.788
- The last supper he said, peace on passover.
- 00:14:19.788 --> 00:14:23.458
- And his name is mother's
- 00:14:23.992 --> 00:14:26.027
- Name was miriam, and his name is yeshua.
- 00:14:26.027 --> 00:14:29.164
- And you know,
- 00:14:29.531 --> 00:14:31.533
- It was when when we were in,
- 00:14:31.533 --> 00:14:34.502
- I mean, megiddo
- 00:14:34.502 --> 00:14:36.638
- And, you know, the prison that they have there,
- 00:14:36.638 --> 00:14:38.206
- That they found the mosaic on the floor
- 00:14:38.206 --> 00:14:40.508
- Of a church that would celebrate the passover.
- 00:14:40.508 --> 00:14:43.778
- And it was, you know,
- 00:14:43.778 --> 00:14:44.846
- Four women and one centurion that paid for this.
- 00:14:44.846 --> 00:14:48.350
- And this was in an era where,
- 00:14:48.984 --> 00:14:51.052
- You know, christianity still carried,
- 00:14:51.052 --> 00:14:54.055
- The, the, the heritage there, jewish heritage.
- 00:14:54.055 --> 00:14:58.326
- But then when constantine comes in and he does the council
- 00:14:58.326 --> 00:15:01.596
- Of nicaea, he forbids hebrew bishops from coming
- 00:15:01.596 --> 00:15:06.434
- And forbid
- 00:15:06.735 --> 00:15:08.336
- And many of his missives that you're not allowed
- 00:15:08.336 --> 00:15:10.472
- To go to a jewish doctor, you're not allowed to.
- 00:15:10.472 --> 00:15:12.440
- They can't participate
- 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:14.376
- And and separated and move the passover,
- 00:15:14.376 --> 00:15:17.679
- The date of the passover, the pesach to easter.
- 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:21.249
- They just wanted to remove any connection.
- 00:15:21.249 --> 00:15:23.885
- And that was early replacement theology.
- 00:15:23.885 --> 00:15:26.621
- Well, most christians are completely unaware
- 00:15:26.621 --> 00:15:29.024
- That the greatest persecutor of the jewish people
- 00:15:29.024 --> 00:15:31.826
- Hasn't been the muslims or the communists.
- 00:15:31.826 --> 00:15:34.729
- It's been the christians.
- 00:15:34.729 --> 00:15:36.664
- Yeah.
- 00:15:36.898 --> 00:15:37.432
- And we may
- 00:15:37.432 --> 00:15:38.633
- Say, well, they weren't good christians or whatever, but
- 00:15:38.633 --> 00:15:41.569
- That subtleties lost on the jewish people.
- 00:15:41.569 --> 00:15:44.272
- And then we say to them,
- 00:15:44.272 --> 00:15:45.573
- They're guilty of something
- 00:15:45.573 --> 00:15:46.674
- Because they won't convert to our faith.
- 00:15:46.674 --> 00:15:49.544
- I don't think they need to convert to anything
- 00:15:49.544 --> 00:15:51.346
- That sounds like that sounds like islam.
- 00:15:51.346 --> 00:15:53.481
- They need to acknowledge jesus of nazareth as their messiah.
- 00:15:53.481 --> 00:15:56.217
- And then the jewish
- 00:15:56.217 --> 00:15:57.886
- People have to deal with jesus, just like we do.
- 00:15:57.886 --> 00:16:00.488
- They have that privilege and opportunity in ezekiel 37.
- 00:16:00.488 --> 00:16:04.125
- And even spurgeon pointed this out, that israel will be
- 00:16:04.125 --> 00:16:07.195
- A political nation first and a spiritual nation second.
- 00:16:07.195 --> 00:16:10.698
- You know, just because they're god's chosen
- 00:16:10.698 --> 00:16:11.933
- People doesn't mean that they're they're saved all of us.
- 00:16:11.933 --> 00:16:15.670
- The ground at the foot of the cross is level.
- 00:16:15.670 --> 00:16:17.806
- It's it's by the blood of christ we enter in.
- 00:16:17.806 --> 00:16:19.641
- Or the pest soc, the lamb slain
- 00:16:19.641 --> 00:16:21.142
- From the foundation of the world for them to better understand.
- 00:16:21.142 --> 00:16:24.379
- But it's almost like joseph
- 00:16:24.379 --> 00:16:26.614
- And his
- 00:16:26.848 --> 00:16:27.916
- Brothers when he said, i'm joseph, your brother.
- 00:16:27.916 --> 00:16:30.518
- They couldn't recognize him
- 00:16:30.518 --> 00:16:32.554
- Because he was dressed like an egyptian.
- 00:16:32.554 --> 00:16:35.023
- And the jews don't recognize jesus
- 00:16:35.023 --> 00:16:36.891
- Because we've anglicized him so much.
- 00:16:36.891 --> 00:16:39.360
- When we start to point out, you know, the passover
- 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:43.031
- And jesus is the passover lamb,
- 00:16:43.031 --> 00:16:45.066
- And he celebrates this, they see the connection.
- 00:16:45.066 --> 00:16:48.503
- But when we remove all connections
- 00:16:48.503 --> 00:16:50.171
- And we dress them up like an egyptian,
- 00:16:50.171 --> 00:16:52.107
- They don't recognize them like joe joseph's brothers did.
- 00:16:52.107 --> 00:17:02.007
- They don't recognize them like joe joseph's brothers did.
- 00:17:02.007 --> 00:17:07.119
- Well,
- 00:17:07.352 --> 00:17:08.220
- I hope that helps some of the folks
- 00:17:08.220 --> 00:17:09.254
- That are dealing with this issue in their houses,
- 00:17:09.254 --> 00:17:10.555
- With their young people have the dialog.
- 00:17:10.555 --> 00:17:12.290
- Yeah, talk to them.
- 00:17:12.290 --> 00:17:13.425
- You got to use your voices
- 00:17:13.425 --> 00:17:15.527
- And help them think through the information
- 00:17:15.527 --> 00:17:17.262
- Because it's cascading over us.
- 00:17:17.262 --> 00:17:18.897
- The amount of deception available,
- 00:17:18.897 --> 00:17:20.999
- I think, is unprecedented.
- 00:17:20.999 --> 00:17:22.567
- Anything that leads you to hate a race of people
- 00:17:22.567 --> 00:17:25.804
- In that in
- 00:17:26.104 --> 00:17:27.239
- Some, even in the islamic world, they're not my enemy.
- 00:17:27.239 --> 00:17:30.542
- They're my opportunity.
- 00:17:30.542 --> 00:17:31.710
- Their ideology is my enemy.
- 00:17:31.710 --> 00:17:34.179
- And, you're just going to hate a race of people
- 00:17:34.179 --> 00:17:37.382
- Regardless of what they believe.
- 00:17:38.016 --> 00:17:40.886
- Look, i get it.
- 00:17:40.886 --> 00:17:42.120
- You get to question the likud party, you get the question.
- 00:17:42.120 --> 00:17:43.955
- Israel. that doesn't make you an anti-semite,
- 00:17:43.955 --> 00:17:46.558
- But to have jew hatred.
- 00:17:46.558 --> 00:17:47.792
- Oh, i don't hate jews.
- 00:17:47.792 --> 00:17:48.994
- I renounce anti-semitism, and i, i remember talking to one,
- 00:17:48.994 --> 00:17:53.899
- Cast,
- 00:17:54.132 --> 00:17:55.834
- News person, and they said, i've renounced anti-semitism.
- 00:17:55.834 --> 00:17:59.404
- And i said, well, bill clinton also said
- 00:17:59.404 --> 00:18:00.906
- He didn't have sex with that woman.
- 00:18:00.906 --> 00:18:02.107
- What are you saying? one thing, but doing something else.
- 00:18:02.107 --> 00:18:04.743
- I'm not saying you hate jews.
- 00:18:04.743 --> 00:18:06.811
- I'm saying what you're doing is propagating jew hatred.
- 00:18:06.811 --> 00:18:10.382
- It's six degrees of separation to blame a jew for anything.
- 00:18:10.382 --> 00:18:14.286
- Look, i get it.
- 00:18:14.286 --> 00:18:15.120
- A jew invented zyklon b, i get it,
- 00:18:15.120 --> 00:18:17.422
- You know, karl marx was a jew, and i get it.
- 00:18:17.422 --> 00:18:21.126
- But i can think of a lot of christians
- 00:18:21.927 --> 00:18:24.663
- Or those who have professed christ
- 00:18:24.663 --> 00:18:26.031
- Or come from christian backgrounds,
- 00:18:26.031 --> 00:18:27.399
- Who have been responsible for great atrocities.
- 00:18:27.399 --> 00:18:29.601
- It doesn't mean you get to annihilate
- 00:18:29.601 --> 00:18:30.936
- An entire race of people.
- 00:18:30.936 --> 00:18:32.437
- Doesn't work that way.
- 00:18:32.437 --> 00:18:34.139
- All right, i know you work
- 00:18:34.139 --> 00:18:35.574
- Or you interact with a large number of young pastors,
- 00:18:35.574 --> 00:18:39.010
- Seems to give you a hope for the emerging church.
- 00:18:39.010 --> 00:18:42.214
- And then talk about that for a minute.
- 00:18:42.214 --> 00:18:44.449
- What do you see happening?
- 00:18:44.449 --> 00:18:46.484
- Well, you know, i love this idea. and,
- 00:18:46.484 --> 00:18:49.654
- I'm now in my sixth decade of life
- 00:18:50.388 --> 00:18:54.359
- And, you know, and i've got my health, and,
- 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.462
- Kids are out of the house, and michelle and i are together
- 00:18:57.462 --> 00:18:59.497
- When we travel.
- 00:18:59.497 --> 00:19:00.065
- It's a it's a blast.
- 00:19:00.065 --> 00:19:02.667
- But at this stage, you know,
- 00:19:02.667 --> 00:19:05.604
- I'm looking at younger guys and it's like an elijah.
- 00:19:05.604 --> 00:19:08.607
- And you see these? elijah's.
- 00:19:08.607 --> 00:19:09.841
- And i loved elijah because he followed
- 00:19:09.841 --> 00:19:11.376
- Elijah around everywhere.
- 00:19:11.376 --> 00:19:12.911
- And he was almost annoying to the old man.
- 00:19:12.911 --> 00:19:15.213
- And finally he turned to me because what do you want?
- 00:19:15.213 --> 00:19:17.782
- And i loved elijah. his response.
- 00:19:17.782 --> 00:19:19.718
- He said, i want a double portion.
- 00:19:19.718 --> 00:19:21.019
- And pastor allen, you and i think of the people
- 00:19:22.020 --> 00:19:24.456
- That have influenced us the most.
- 00:19:24.456 --> 00:19:25.690
- I was speaking with your dad on sunday.
- 00:19:25.690 --> 00:19:27.859
- I love that man,
- 00:19:27.859 --> 00:19:29.261
- And i, and i had a great love for my father,
- 00:19:29.261 --> 00:19:31.630
- And he went to be with the lord. but i was
- 00:19:31.630 --> 00:19:33.698
- I was thinking i'd love to be half the man is my dad.
- 00:19:33.698 --> 00:19:36.968
- But elijah was saying, i want to be twice
- 00:19:36.968 --> 00:19:38.570
- The man as you
- 00:19:38.570 --> 00:19:40.805
- And i've met these young ministers
- 00:19:40.805 --> 00:19:43.875
- That they're going to be twice the man.
- 00:19:43.875 --> 00:19:46.711
- And elijah, when he was on his deathbed,
- 00:19:46.711 --> 00:19:49.447
- And the king, i think it was joash, came in and said,
- 00:19:49.447 --> 00:19:52.150
- You know,
- 00:19:52.150 --> 00:19:53.718
- You're our hope.
- 00:19:53.718 --> 00:19:55.687
- And he turns to me.
- 00:19:55.687 --> 00:19:56.688
- He says on his deathbed licenses, take the arrow
- 00:19:56.688 --> 00:20:00.425
- And strike the ground.
- 00:20:00.425 --> 00:20:02.227
- First he says, shoot an arrow out the east window,
- 00:20:02.227 --> 00:20:03.928
- Which is declaring war against the enemies of israel.
- 00:20:03.928 --> 00:20:06.064
- And he says, and i'll take the rest, and hit the ground.
- 00:20:06.064 --> 00:20:08.233
- And he hits it 2 or 3 times.
- 00:20:08.233 --> 00:20:10.335
- Elijah was the mother man of israel.
- 00:20:10.335 --> 00:20:12.304
- He was tender.
- 00:20:12.304 --> 00:20:13.772
- Elijah. elijah wasn't.
- 00:20:13.772 --> 00:20:15.106
- He was like intense.
- 00:20:15.106 --> 00:20:16.608
- But elijah just got angry, exploded on him.
- 00:20:16.608 --> 00:20:19.644
- He says, you shot.
- 00:20:20.078 --> 00:20:21.313
- You struck the ground 2 or 3 times. you just struck a 5 or 6.
- 00:20:21.313 --> 00:20:24.249
- And what he was
- 00:20:24.616 --> 00:20:25.650
- Saying to this young king is, i have more zeal
- 00:20:25.650 --> 00:20:28.320
- In my dying body than you have in your youth.
- 00:20:28.320 --> 00:20:32.290
- And he's the one who asked elijah for a double portion.
- 00:20:32.290 --> 00:20:35.827
- And i would say that the young pastors out there,
- 00:20:35.827 --> 00:20:38.997
- You have been given a mantle of freedom
- 00:20:38.997 --> 00:20:40.965
- In the freest nation on the face of the earth.
- 00:20:40.965 --> 00:20:43.768
- And we're watching as these young people
- 00:20:43.768 --> 00:20:45.637
- Who have been discipled on campuses are showing up,
- 00:20:45.637 --> 00:20:48.707
- Wanting to make a difference,
- 00:20:48.707 --> 00:20:50.408
- To see a constitutional republic,
- 00:20:50.408 --> 00:20:52.243
- A free form of government
- 00:20:52.243 --> 00:20:53.378
- Reestablished with christian principles.
- 00:20:53.378 --> 00:20:55.880
- And do you have anything to share with them?
- 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:58.416
- And there's some young ministers out there.
- 00:20:58.416 --> 00:20:59.617
- Go, i got plenty, and let's do this.
- 00:20:59.617 --> 00:21:02.120
- And now, now they have that same zeal, but they have youth
- 00:21:02.120 --> 00:21:05.657
- And i see them all over the place.
- 00:21:05.657 --> 00:21:06.925
- And we're going to start the american pastors guild,
- 00:21:06.925 --> 00:21:08.493
- And these are going to be the guys headed up
- 00:21:08.493 --> 00:21:10.595
- In a super exciting amen.
- 00:21:10.595 --> 00:21:12.464
- You see, the same thing i do wit
- 00:21:12.464 --> 00:21:17.802
- Honored to call you a friend.
- 00:21:18.436 --> 00:21:20.372
- Likewise a co laborer.
- 00:21:20.372 --> 00:21:22.474
- You've been an encouragement and strength to me.
- 00:21:22.474 --> 00:21:24.342
- So we're not done yet.
- 00:21:24.342 --> 00:21:25.844
- Amen. and i'm rubber your glue.
- 00:21:25.844 --> 00:21:27.278
- Whatever you said bounces off me and sticks to you.
- 00:21:27.278 --> 00:21:29.948
- I told you earlier, we can argue.
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- You, president, the mutual admiration society.
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- I hang out with deep thinkers.
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- It's time to take our faith outside the walls of the church.
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- Take it with us.
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- To our homes,
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- The marketplace, our schools, our circle of friends.
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- Folks, we got to be christ followers wherever we go.
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- Or we're not christ followers at all.
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- Keep up the good work through us.
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- Christ to change the world.
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