Allen Jackson: Justice Process | Allen Jackson Now

September 17, 2025 | 22:17

Charles Stimson joins Allen Jackson to discuss current events in our country.

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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Justice Process | Allen Jackson Now | September 17, 2025
  • Good evening, and welcome to nashville.
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  • I'm alan jackson.
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  • The first duty of government is to protect us.
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  • But in reality, without a truthful media
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  • And voices in leadership that are honest,
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  • The police cannot maintain safety, open borders, cities
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  • With our laws. we have created violence.
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  • And then we ask police to make us safe.
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  • Well, charlie kirk spoke frequently about the threats
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  • He and his turning point organization received,
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  • Even as he raced around the country meeting
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  • With as many students as he could.
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  • This fall's campus tour was called
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  • The american comeback tour, and he sat behind a simple table
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  • Under a tent that said, prove me wrong.
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  • It was a very smart way of demonstrating
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  • The first amendment to our young people.
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  • College is supposed to be about growing
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  • And learning and meeting new friends.
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  • Football games and frisbees.
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  • But last week, the screams we heard weren't from sports.
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  • They were from terrified students
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  • Running from a rifle shot.
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  • A suspect has been arrested.
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  • Utah has the death penalty,
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  • And the accused has admitted to friends that he did it.
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  • But what needs to be done to put together a legal case
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  • That ensures that justice is done?
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  • Well, our guest tonight is the senior
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  • Legal fellow at the heritage foundation, carly stimson.
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  • Welcome back, sir.
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  • Thanks for having me, alan.
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  • There is
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  • A video of tyler robinson.
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  • There are dna samples
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  • And text messages from his transgender roommate.
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  • He told his father that he'd rather die than be turned in.
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  • But he was turned in, and he's behind bars now.
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  • The governor says that robinson is not cooperating,
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  • And they have him on a suicide watch.
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  • What else needs to be done to put together the case?
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  • So, no doubt with all those kids in that audience, the fbi
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  • And the local officials are going through
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  • Any videos that those kids have, and they'll upload that
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  • And comb through that to see if there's anything
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  • Damning or exculpatory.
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  • Because remember, the government
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  • Has the obligation to turn over potentially exculpatory
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  • Information to the defense counsel.
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  • They'll look at like in the brian cole burger case
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  • And he cell site location information, which pings
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  • Various cell towers as he went from uvu south to southern
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  • Utah and back.
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  • They'll look at video from highway patrol.
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  • They'll look also at dna, which could have been left
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  • On various guardrails, handrails on the gun.
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  • They'll look at the ballistics
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  • If they can find the bullet and see the lanes and grooves
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  • Of that bullet to see whether it matches
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  • That 36 that they found and other information.
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  • So this is a puzzle
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  • That you have to put together when you're a prosecutor.
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  • And i've been a prosecutor.
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  • Takes time.
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  • Now, fortunately, the full weight of the federal
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  • Government has been cooperating,
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  • And they've already tested a lot of the information
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  • At the quantico lab.
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  • And so this will take time.
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  • And obviously,
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  • They're now seeking the ultimate punishment,
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  • Which under utah law has a certain aggravating factor.
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  • And the prosecutor just laid out what
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  • Those aggravating factors are.
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  • When you consider the two incidents of shooters
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  • Targeting the president as well as charlie
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  • Kirk, it points to a full on attack
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  • On the make america great movement.
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  • Senator lindsey graham had this to say.
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  • There is an effort
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  • By the radical left to dehumanize the maga movement,
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  • And i don't i reject political violence.
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  • If you are offended by what somebody says or does,
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  • Then then take up a political cost to fight back.
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  • Not a gun, not a bomb, not a knife.
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  • The white house says there's going to be an effort
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  • To track down
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  • And stop the left leaning groups
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  • That traffic and hate and violence.
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  • What do you think they'll be able to accomplish?
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  • Hard to tell at this point.
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  • Now, there's one thing
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  • Between which we all cherish protected first amendment speech
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  • And the freedom of association,
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  • Which i think everyone
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  • In the light of right and left should be able to agree on.
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  • And the expenditure of moneys,
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  • Which is lawful in most instances,
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  • Supporting free speech and freedom of association.
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  • But you cross a line when that expenditure of money
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  • Intentionally funds individuals who then
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  • Either by direction or by wink, wink, nod,
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  • Nod, then engage in acts of violence or worse.
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  • And so i think when they impanel grand juries,
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  • When they do oversight hearings
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  • And they get to the bottom of whether that money
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  • Went to good things or intentionally bad things,
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  • We don't know the answer to that yet.
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  • But investigations are coming.
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  • Well, i'm thinking of the other young man who gunned down
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  • The health care ceo in new york, luigi mangione.
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  • He has $1 million gofundme account now
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  • From people who are sympathetic to his cause.
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  • Sick as that might be.
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  • Do you think charlie kirk's killer
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  • Is going to get a similar response?
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  • And is there anything that we can do about it legally?
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  • Hard to tell.
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  • Too early to tell.
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  • And in fact, i think if people want to fund a killer,
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  • Killer's defense, there's nothing illegal about it.
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  • I find it revolting and and vomit vomits personally.
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  • But remember, that, the cop killers all across this country,
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  • Especially like mama, mama abdul-jabbar,
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  • Who killed a philadelphia police officer years ago.
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  • There's a sort of a love me page for this guy.
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  • There's a movement,
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  • Behind, this guy and so there's always people
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  • Who take the side of the murderer.
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  • And unless they're doing
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  • Something besides just paying money, it's despicable.
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  • But it's lawful.
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  • Well, there's other dangers on campus this fall.
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  • At least ten schools have been victims of swatting incidents.
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  • Swatting is when someone calls in an active shooter threat
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  • To disrupt classes and scare the student body and staff.
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  • One of them happened a couple
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  • Hours from here at the university of tennessee
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  • In chattanooga.
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  • An online site called purgatory
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  • Is taking credit for creating the chaos.
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  • It's a disturbing
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  • Sign of the times where someone wants the credit for chaos.
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  • What can you tell us, and what can be done
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  • To prosecute the people behind these incidents?
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  • Yeah, and think about this, allen.
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  • The first swatting incident
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  • Happened in over a dozen schools.
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  • Colleges happened just after the catholic school shooting case.
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  • So imagine the parents.
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  • And i'm a parent of college students.
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  • Imagine the parents of those students
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  • Getting the texts from their kids.
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  • My school is on lockdown.
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  • There's an active shooter in it.
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  • It was even worse because some of the squatters who called in
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  • Had the sound fake of gunshots going on.
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  • So it was intentionally horrific,
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  • To be sort of terrorizing these students.
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  • And so
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  • Whether they use burner phones when whether they went through
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  • Other proxies,
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  • Whether they went through servers around the world
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  • That then bounced to the schools, i don't know.
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  • But we got to get to the bottom of it.
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  • And, and the people who did
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  • This need to be punished accordingly.
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  • Well, these swatting calls are no joke.
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  • As i understand
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  • It, the penalty, if convicted, can be as much as 5 to 20 years.
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  • What are some of the other dangers
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  • When swatting incidents happen?
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  • Well,
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  • It can be longer than 20 years too, because if, for example,
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  • Under federal law, if somebody engaged in swatting
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  • And somebody died as a result of the swat, and you can imagine,
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  • A person freaking out thinking that their shooting going on,
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  • Running down stairs, tripping, fall and hitting their head
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  • And dying,
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  • Or somebody breaks a leg or somebody
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  • Does something like that where they get injured.
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  • It can add to the exposure.
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  • Penalty wise.
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  • And so, this is terrible.
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  • Not only does it cause chaos and then potentially long term
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  • Mental health issues for the students
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  • And the faculty and the staff at the schools,
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  • But it's just disturbing overall.
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  • And so it is despicable.
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  • And these people, deserve every day they get in prison
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  • If they're caught.
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  • Amen.
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  • Well, i hope you'll stay with us for another segment.
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  • I'd like to discuss the president's plan for memphis
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  • And your new book. when we come back.
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  • And your new book. when we come back.
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  • We're back now with kelly
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  • Stimson, the senior legal fellow at the heritage foundation.
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  • You've got a new book out called rogue prosecutors.
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  • There certainly seem to be a lot of them out there.
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  • No one knows better about that than president trump.
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  • Tell us what you've learned about how bad things
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  • Have become since trump entered politics.
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  • Yeah.
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  • So the rogue prosecutor movement,
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  • Which is funded and conceived of by george soros back in 2016,
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  • Realized that the da is the gatekeeper
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  • To the criminal justice system.
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  • He and he alone decides who gets prosecuted, who doesn't.
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  • And these are low dollar, low
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  • Visibility races around the country.
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  • And so since there's 2300 elected da's,
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  • You can really sprinkle money
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  • Very effectively around the country, which they've done.
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  • And even though there's 2300, they have elected about 73
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  • Around the country,
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  • But that represents 68% of the population of the country.
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  • So you got one there in tennessee, steve mulroy
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  • Got over $600,000 of soros affiliated money.
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  • And they have a playbook and they all operate off
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  • The same playbook,
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  • Watered down felonies to misdemeanors, don't
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  • Prosecute misdemeanors, don't send violent juveniles
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  • To adult court.
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  • Never ask for cash bail.
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  • Don't ask for life without parole.
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  • Et cetera, et cetera, etc..
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  • And what happens when they do that?
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  • Crime explodes in their cities.
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  • And so this is a dastardly plan.
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  • And luckily, people like george gascon in la,
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  • Chesa boudin in san francisco,
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  • Kim fox in chicago, the first 1 in 2017,
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  • Marilyn mosby in baltimore, some others left office.
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  • The moral rois are still there.
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  • The jose garza's down in austin, texas, are still there.
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  • And so when trump decides he's going to go into these
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  • Red states with blue cities who have violent crime problems,
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  • He can cooperate and work with the governor
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  • To bring up their state guard, to second them,
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  • To the local police, to help make the arrests.
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  • The real question in memphis is
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  • They're going to make more arrests.
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  • They're going to get bad guys in handcuffs.
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  • But is mulroy going to finally do his job?
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  • And when he doesn't, because they're not inclined to do it,
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  • That puts a spotlight on what the real problem is.
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  • He did that in d.c. that was great.
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  • He threatened chicago.
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  • The democratic governor wasn't going to play ball
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  • With the national guard, and he probably was on legal,
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  • Pretty strong ground on that one.
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  • But in tennessee and other red states
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  • With blue city murder problems,
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  • You can do that and you can isolate what the problem is.
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  • You know, it seems to
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  • Me we've got almost a toxic soup started with an open border.
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  • We had sanctuary cities.
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  • We have cities now that want to enforce ice regulations.
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  • We have prosecutors that ignore the laws
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  • Or the penalties for breaking the laws.
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  • This is a collection that makes all of us less safe,
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  • Doesn't it?
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  • 100%.
  • 00:10:53.078 --> 00:10:54.179
  • And now that trump
  • 00:10:54.179 --> 00:10:56.281
  • Has secured the border, and started,
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  • An aggressive removal proceedings process,
  • 00:10:59.985 --> 00:11:02.888
  • You still have those cities with what i call the toxic trio.
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  • Soros rogue prosecutor, the defund the police movement,
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  • Or the ramifications of previous
  • 00:11:09.695 --> 00:11:12.264
  • Cuttings of their budgets, and then the dehumanizing
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  • And demoralizing of the police force.
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  • Dc here is down 800 officers
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  • From their expected workforce size.
  • 00:11:20.372 --> 00:11:23.475
  • Other cities
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  • Have defunded the police or cut back significantly.
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  • And then when, of course, crime goes up,
  • 00:11:27.179 --> 00:11:28.614
  • They're like, wait, wait, wait, where's the police?
  • 00:11:28.614 --> 00:11:30.783
  • Well you city council,
  • 00:11:30.783 --> 00:11:32.117
  • You county council people, you cut their budgets.
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  • And so look, there's a tried and true way to fight crime.
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  • Ready prosecution.
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  • Prosecutors should prosecute.
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  • Defense counsel should defend.
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  • Judges should judge.
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  • Police officers should be well-trained and well funded.
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  • Boom. when that happens.
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  • And in cities where that happens,
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  • Like san diego county where i used to be a prosecutor,
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  • And when my wife was a prosecutor,
  • 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:56.408
  • They didn't have this massive crime
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  • Spike like you saw back in 2017.
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  • And when the
  • 00:12:00.112 --> 00:12:01.346
  • George floyd riots happened, they didn't have a big spike.
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  • That's because they had that that perfect setup
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  • Of what you need to enforce good order and discipline
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  • And the law in those cities.
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  • You know, you've already mentioned that george
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  • Soros and his son
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  • Are behind the lax prosecutions that have helped
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  • Create these dangers on the street.
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  • President trump thinks he can begin to take down soros.
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  • Listen to his comments.
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  • We're going to look into source
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  • Because i think it's a rico case against him and other people
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  • Because this is more than like protests.
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  • This is real agitation.
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  • This is riots on the street.
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  • Help us to understand what the president thinks
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  • He can do about soros.
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  • Well, read chapter two.
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  • In our book,
  • 00:12:43.121 --> 00:12:43.622
  • We focused entirely on
  • 00:12:43.622 --> 00:12:44.957
  • The funding of the soros rogue prosecutors.
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  • They they these he spent about $50 million
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  • In direct campaigns, money which is a pittance,
  • 00:12:51.830 --> 00:12:54.199
  • But about a billion with a b
  • 00:12:54.199 --> 00:12:56.235
  • An indirect campaign funding just for the prosecutors alone.
  • 00:12:56.235 --> 00:13:00.439
  • And so, yes, there's protected free speech.
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  • Yes, there's a freedom of association. yes,
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  • I'm sure there's some lawful funding of lawful protests.
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  • But, you know, to the extent that that the money is a quid
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  • Pro quo, will give you this money
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  • If you engage in these violent acts.
  • 00:13:14.820 --> 00:13:17.589
  • Well, then you've crossed the line
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  • Either at the federal level
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  • Under rico or the state law, state line or both.
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  • And so facts are stubborn things.
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  • As the old saying goes.
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  • And you have to develop the facts.
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  • And so you use grand juries, you use subpoenas,
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  • You use cooperators, you use wiretaps,
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  • You use all the lawful tools
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  • Of the criminal justice system to get to the facts.
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  • And that's what needs to start taking place.
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  • Well, i'd
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  • Like to ask about a few other outstanding matters.
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  • Let's begin with the case that's being put together
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  • On lisa cook,
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  • The woman at the federal reserve
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  • Who may have been involved in mortgage fraud.
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  • You think the case against her
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  • Will eventually force her to resign?
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  • Could,
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  • You know what you've never seen or heard her say is
  • 00:14:00.699 --> 00:14:04.303
  • I didn't do fill out those forms and lie.
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  • You've never heard her make an absolute denial.
  • 00:14:09.241 --> 00:14:12.311
  • It's all about the process.
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  • Or the processes.
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  • Do or prejudge in the case.
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  • But what i'm always interested in what's not said
  • 00:14:17.849 --> 00:14:20.419
  • In these defenses, and that's. and i was a defense lawyer.
  • 00:14:20.419 --> 00:14:22.988
  • I think it's great to be a defense lawyer,
  • 00:14:22.988 --> 00:14:24.623
  • But you never hear her come out and say, i didn't do it.
  • 00:14:24.623 --> 00:14:28.093
  • And so, yes, this, appeals court judge for the time
  • 00:14:28.093 --> 00:14:31.563
  • Being has said, no, you can't remove her before the fomc,
  • 00:14:31.563 --> 00:14:35.934
  • Considers a bip,
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  • A 25 bip, in up in the interest rates,
  • 00:14:37.869 --> 00:14:40.839
  • Lowering the interest rates by 25 basis points this week.
  • 00:14:40.839 --> 00:14:43.909
  • But sooner or later, she's going to have her moment.
  • 00:14:43.909 --> 00:14:48.413
  • And what that moment means and the ramifications,
  • 00:14:48.413 --> 00:14:51.450
  • Are remain to be seen.
  • 00:14:51.917 --> 00:14:53.251
  • But i think if you like, like marilyn mosby,
  • 00:14:53.251 --> 00:14:56.088
  • The baltimore d.a.
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  • Did on her two mortgage,
  • 00:14:57.122 --> 00:14:59.591
  • Mortgages she claimed were her primary residence in florida,
  • 00:14:59.591 --> 00:15:02.894
  • Even though she's the state's attorney in baltimore.
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  • She got indicted by the feds.
  • 00:15:05.664 --> 00:15:07.399
  • The biden justice department prosecuted,
  • 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.534
  • And she was convicted not only of perjury,
  • 00:15:09.534 --> 00:15:11.803
  • But also a mortgage fraud.
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  • And so i don't know what's in store
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  • In the future for lisa cook.
  • 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:17.142
  • But i've never heard her deny doing that.
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  • Well, i always like to try to end on a good note.
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  • The heritage office is right
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  • Across the street from union station.
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  • Washington is safe now.
  • 00:15:27.953 --> 00:15:29.488
  • Have you noticed a difference around town?
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  • Yeah.
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  • I don't get high,
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  • From secondhand
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  • Marijuana smoke when i walk in there
  • 00:15:34.893 --> 00:15:36.661
  • And i don't get accosted by homeless people.
  • 00:15:36.661 --> 00:15:39.431
  • And frankly,
  • 00:15:39.431 --> 00:15:40.599
  • It doesn't matter about me because i'm a military guy.
  • 00:15:40.599 --> 00:15:42.367
  • I grew up on a farm. i can handle myself.
  • 00:15:42.367 --> 00:15:44.503
  • But the young staff here, especially the female staff
  • 00:15:44.503 --> 00:15:47.339
  • Who are our interns and colleagues,
  • 00:15:47.339 --> 00:15:49.341
  • They feel safe there.
  • 00:15:49.341 --> 00:15:51.610
  • And that says a lot.
  • 00:15:51.610 --> 00:15:52.711
  • Now, look, dc still has a crime problem.
  • 00:15:52.711 --> 00:15:55.013
  • Kudos to trump and jeanine pirro, the u.s.
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  • Attorney, for driving crime rates down.
  • 00:15:57.582 --> 00:15:59.551
  • But we still have 107 murders.
  • 00:15:59.551 --> 00:16:01.253
  • We still have over 3000, carjackings in this city.
  • 00:16:01.253 --> 00:16:05.557
  • And car thefts.
  • 00:16:05.924 --> 00:16:07.092
  • And so violent crime is down about 9%, year over year.
  • 00:16:07.092 --> 00:16:12.998
  • I'll be happy when the crime rate is at zero,
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  • Because i think no murder is acceptable.
  • 00:16:16.234 --> 00:16:18.870
  • And so there's a lot of work to do.
  • 00:16:18.870 --> 00:16:20.372
  • But, look,
  • 00:16:20.372 --> 00:16:21.506
  • The house is considering passing some commonsense crime
  • 00:16:21.506 --> 00:16:24.276
  • Legislation like lowering the age of accountability
  • 00:16:24.276 --> 00:16:27.779
  • For violent juveniles to 14 who can be prosecuted as adults.
  • 00:16:27.779 --> 00:16:31.516
  • And by the way, 25 states have 14 and up,
  • 00:16:31.516 --> 00:16:34.553
  • Ten states below 14, three states have 12 and up
  • 00:16:34.553 --> 00:16:37.789
  • For the most violent crime. so dc is out of step.
  • 00:16:37.789 --> 00:16:40.592
  • And so they're headed in the right direction.
  • 00:16:40.592 --> 00:16:42.060
  • And thank god for trump and pirro
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  • For pointing out once again where the weaknesses are.
  • 00:16:43.695 --> 00:16:47.966
  • Well, kelly
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  • Stimpson, thank you for your time today.
  • 00:16:49.201 --> 00:16:51.770
  • Thanks for having me, alan.
  • 00:16:51.770 --> 00:16:53.004
  • We have learned a lot and we hope to have you back again.
  • 00:16:53.004 --> 00:16:55.140
  • We're going to read your book, rogue prosecutors.
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  • It looks intriguing to me.
  • 00:16:57.042 --> 00:16:59.044
  • In a moment i'll have some hopeful rays of light of my own.
  • 00:16:59.044 --> 00:17:02.481
  • I promise.
  • 00:17:02.481 --> 00:17:10.005
  • I promise.
  • 00:17:10.005 --> 00:17:14.527
  • The assassination of charlie kirk
  • 00:17:15.261 --> 00:17:17.430
  • Took place at an outdoor event on a university campus in utah.
  • 00:17:17.430 --> 00:17:21.567
  • It was a state that has voted consistently republican.
  • 00:17:21.567 --> 00:17:25.338
  • You know, one would think a setting like that
  • 00:17:25.338 --> 00:17:26.873
  • Would be a safe haven for free speech
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  • And the freedom to assemble peacefully.
  • 00:17:28.841 --> 00:17:31.444
  • However, before the event, an online
  • 00:17:31.444 --> 00:17:33.079
  • Petition was circulated asking university officials
  • 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:35.915
  • To prevent charlie from speaking on campus that day.
  • 00:17:35.915 --> 00:17:39.385
  • The petition stated in part that, quote, charlie kirk
  • 00:17:39.385 --> 00:17:42.522
  • Is known for his divisive rhetoric
  • 00:17:42.522 --> 00:17:44.190
  • That often supports policies and laws
  • 00:17:44.190 --> 00:17:46.459
  • Which aren't inclusive and can marginalize various communities.
  • 00:17:46.459 --> 00:17:50.596
  • The petition that gathered more than 900 signatures,
  • 00:17:50.596 --> 00:17:54.834
  • The climate surrounding our universities has to change.
  • 00:17:54.834 --> 00:17:58.171
  • Our universities are intended to be places
  • 00:17:58.171 --> 00:18:00.940
  • For a free exchange of ideas, not uniformity of thought.
  • 00:18:00.940 --> 00:18:05.044
  • They've become indoctrination centers.
  • 00:18:05.044 --> 00:18:08.014
  • Charlie focused on the young people.
  • 00:18:08.014 --> 00:18:10.049
  • That's how i got to know him.
  • 00:18:10.049 --> 00:18:11.751
  • He would listen to these college students, share his beliefs
  • 00:18:11.751 --> 00:18:14.420
  • And engage with them in a dialog,
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  • A conversation, and listening to their opinions.
  • 00:18:16.422 --> 00:18:19.725
  • He was respectful of those who disagreed, even with those
  • 00:18:19.725 --> 00:18:22.461
  • Who spewed hatred at him with some really awful names.
  • 00:18:22.461 --> 00:18:25.998
  • They call him fascist nazi, a purveyor of hate, a bigot,
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  • A whole host of other things.
  • 00:18:29.569 --> 00:18:31.470
  • Well, those demanding that their viewpoints be tolerated.
  • 00:18:31.470 --> 00:18:34.607
  • We're very aggressively
  • 00:18:34.607 --> 00:18:36.008
  • Intolerant of perspectives which differed from their own.
  • 00:18:36.008 --> 00:18:39.078
  • We have a culture in crisis.
  • 00:18:39.679 --> 00:18:41.847
  • A 22 year old who disagreed with charlie's biblical stance
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  • Murdered him.
  • 00:18:45.618 --> 00:18:46.819
  • Rather than engage in debate, he chose murder
  • 00:18:46.819 --> 00:18:49.789
  • After the shooting.
  • 00:18:49.789 --> 00:18:50.890
  • Some rejoiced at charlie's death.
  • 00:18:50.890 --> 00:18:53.492
  • So what can we do?
  • 00:18:53.492 --> 00:18:54.860
  • Well, i think one of the most important things we can do
  • 00:18:54.860 --> 00:18:57.029
  • Now is to present ourselves in public as a christ follower,
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  • That we rearrange our calendars and our schedules
  • 00:19:00.900 --> 00:19:03.135
  • And our habits and our patterns.
  • 00:19:03.135 --> 00:19:04.870
  • To be sure we identify clearly and publicly with christ.
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  • We'll do that.
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  • There's reason for hope.
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  • I'll be back with your emails.
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  • I'll be back with your emails.
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  • Thank you for taking the time to send us your emails.
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  • They're always a highlight of the program.
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  • Lupe from california commented,
  • 00:19:31.064 --> 00:19:33.033
  • I'm glad the issue is on health now.
  • 00:19:33.033 --> 00:19:35.602
  • I appreciate that this issue is being highlighted.
  • 00:19:35.602 --> 00:19:37.671
  • To make the public more aware,
  • 00:19:37.671 --> 00:19:39.506
  • You do have to ask the question of why
  • 00:19:39.506 --> 00:19:41.074
  • Europe doesn't want any of our food.
  • 00:19:41.074 --> 00:19:43.043
  • There are so many things added to our foods
  • 00:19:43.043 --> 00:19:44.945
  • That it has become toxic to.
  • 00:19:44.945 --> 00:19:46.613
  • Americans are the most unhealthy people on earth.
  • 00:19:46.613 --> 00:19:48.882
  • I hope and pray things will change for the better.
  • 00:19:48.882 --> 00:19:52.019
  • Well, i agree,
  • 00:19:52.352 --> 00:19:53.186
  • I think there's been a lot
  • 00:19:53.186 --> 00:19:54.254
  • Of disinformation, dishonesty, and just lying with
  • 00:19:54.254 --> 00:19:56.923
  • With regard to our food, even the food we are supposed to eat.
  • 00:19:56.923 --> 00:20:00.460
  • The recommendations have been coming to us,
  • 00:20:00.460 --> 00:20:02.829
  • But there's some waking up taking place and good news
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  • Entering the public square. keep praying.
  • 00:20:05.299 --> 00:20:07.034
  • I think there's better things ahead,
  • 00:20:07.034 --> 00:20:08.769
  • Dixie from texas wrote in pastor allen.
  • 00:20:09.603 --> 00:20:11.738
  • I've been shocked at news reports
  • 00:20:11.738 --> 00:20:13.240
  • From people, teachers and politicians
  • 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:15.375
  • Celebrating the death of charlie kirk as more evil is exposed,
  • 00:20:15.375 --> 00:20:19.179
  • I'm beginning to see
  • 00:20:19.179 --> 00:20:20.280
  • Why our kids and young people are so full of hatred.
  • 00:20:20.280 --> 00:20:23.150
  • Well, i agree there's some unsettling things being exposed
  • 00:20:23.150 --> 00:20:25.952
  • About our universities and campuses.
  • 00:20:25.952 --> 00:20:27.788
  • It's time for some changes in higher education,
  • 00:20:27.788 --> 00:20:30.457
  • But when the light comes on,
  • 00:20:30.457 --> 00:20:31.725
  • I believe there's an opportunity for a better future
  • 00:20:31.725 --> 00:20:34.928
  • If we keep choosing the lord.
  • 00:20:34.928 --> 00:20:36.630
  • I promise you there's reasons for hope ahead of us.
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  • Thanks for spending a few minutes with us.
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  • I'm alan jackson and you have a wonderful evening.
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