Buck Sexton joins Allen Jackson to discuss current events.
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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Media Manipulation | Allen Jackson Now | April 20, 2026
- Well, good evening and welcome to nashville.
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- I'm alan jackson.
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- It's a common question i hear these days.
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- Why are things moving so quickly,
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- And why has so much of what i was used to?
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- Changed? well, the question is right on point.
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- Things are moving quickly.
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- And yes, a lot has changed.
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- Much of it for the better,
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- But some of it disconcerting and sometimes even dangerous.
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- In our society, we get a lot of points for productivity.
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- We multitask at a breathtaking pace,
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- Which may be effective at work.
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- Or if you're juggling three kids with a spouse away at work.
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- But on another level, it's head
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- Spinning and can make you vulnerable
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- To people with the wrong intentions
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- Or to those who know how to manipulate information.
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- Information that can be used to take you
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- In the wrong direction
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- Before you even know that you're headed there.
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- Think about advertising, for example.
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- Estimates are that we notice at least 100 ads every day.
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- We might even act on ten of them.
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- But put that in the context of this next number.
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- We're exposed to between 4 and 10,000 ads every day.
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- The logo on the coffee mug, the billboard, the flood of ads.
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- It's around everything we see on our phones.
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- So imagine what happens when someone who knows
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- How to manipulate data starts
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- Using that exposure for propaganda to brainwash us,
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- Especially when we're now functioning within the
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- Context of the rat race we find ourselves in every day.
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- Well, the answer is people get manipulated into doing things
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- That they wouldn't do on their own.
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- An entire society can be drawn into a dangerous
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- And evil direction,
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- And the best way to prevent it from happening
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- Is to become aware that it's happening and then shut it down.
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- Well, there's a
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- Strategy that's been in play in our nation for decades.
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- It's the ascendancy of globalism and the diminishment
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- Of nationalism,
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- The worldview that's held globalism up and the values
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- That guide their decisions.
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- Well, they're not in sync with the biblical worldview.
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- And if you want to promote the globalist worldview,
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- The effect is you must diminish your other allegiances.
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- We've seen the push for globalism
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- And the diminishment of america
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- Play out on how the media and d.c.
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- Influential framed the war in iran.
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- There's a difference to me
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- Between the war in iraq and the war in iran.
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- When we went into iraq, saddam hussein's regime was exposed
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- As a paper tiger.
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- Within ten days, we were in baghdad
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- And the country was in a complete shambles.
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- But when we attacked iran,
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- It was clear
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- That the radical islamic regime was equipped and intent
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- On inflicting
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- A tremendous amount of damage with their missiles, drones,
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- Their production facilities.
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- They weren't a paper tiger.
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- It's taken the u.s.
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- And israel weeks of continuous bombing
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- Just to begin to neutralize them.
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- Iran was a real threat.
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- They fully intended to use their capabilities
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- To bring destruction on innocent lives,
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- Including utilizing their terror proxies, hezbollah, hamas
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- And the houthis.
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- Using common sense.
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- It's easy to see that the u.s.
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- And israel have done the world a favor.
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- President trump
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- Had the courage to go in and dismantle the threat.
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- This administration should be celebrated,
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- But hardly anyone in the media
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- Is going to celebrate what trump does.
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- The hypocrisy in the messaging.
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- It's evident when we had one protester killed in minnesota.
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- The media lost its mind.
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- I'm sorry for the loss of any life,
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- But the messaging we've been listening to, it's bizarre.
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- Meanwhile, the ayatollahs regime that killed 40,000
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- Of their own citizens in the streets
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- In one week, 40,000 innocent civilians
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- And the media treated it like a hiccup.
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- It barely got reported.
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- Yet the media wanted cities to burn for that
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- One protester who was combative toward ice agents.
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- The mainstream media is not doing a good job
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- Informing the american people.
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- Their efforts are focused on shaping opinion
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- So they can maintain their narrative.
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- It's dishonest
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- If the people really understood the brutality of islam,
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- There would be a different national response
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- To this entire conflict.
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- Islam is not peaceful.
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- Women are not treated well. children
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- Don't have opportunities that we take for granted.
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- Unfortunately, we're not willing to say those things typically.
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- The reality is the globalist agenda.
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- It needs the cooperation of the muslim world
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- In order to have access to their petroleum.
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- Therefore, the globalist agenda
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- Won't call out the violence of islam,
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- But they'll call out, in their words,
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- The violent threat of practicing christians.
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- If you're a christian to the globalist,
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- You're a great threat.
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- Here's an example.
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- A newly resurfaced covid era interview
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- With the wife of california governor gavin newsom.
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- It's gone viral for her claim that evangelicals are,
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- Quote, pulling us back as a country.
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- During the interview, jennifer newsom took aim at folks
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- She called the far right, which for her included christians.
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- Mrs. newsom said, quote,
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- They're living in this evangelical conservative silo
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- That ultimately is just pulling us back as a country
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- To a time and a place where we don't deserve to be,
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- And we're not going to be one, by the way, jennifer newsom,
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- She might take offense to me calling her mrs.
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- Newsom
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- Because, according to her
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- Official biography on the state of california's website,
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- She prefers the title first partner over first lady.
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- These are her words.
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- It sends a signal of inclusivity,
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- Recognizing that one day there will be a woman
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- Or an lgbtq plus governor of california.
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- Well, as christians, no matter what label they put on us,
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- We can't let ourselves be bullied.
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- The only thing necessary for evil to triumph.
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- It's for good people to do nothing.
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- We have to take our place in the arena, speak truth
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- And not worry about the pushback.
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- We have an assignment to bring
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- A biblical worldview forward wherever we go.
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- It's often said that the first step toward solving
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- A problem is just recognizing that there is one.
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- Well, tonight
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- We have a guest who knows exactly how to spot it,
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- And he knows exactly what to do when you see it.
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- And here it
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- Is, the nationally syndicated anchor and author buck sexton.
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- He'll be joining us with his wisdom
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- Right after this short break.
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- Help is on the way. stay right where you are.
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- Help is on the way. stay right where you are.
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- Well.
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- Welcome back.
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- Tonight i have the great pleasure
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- Of introducing buck sexton.
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- It's his first time on our show
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- And we're delighted to have him.
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- You can hear him every day on the three hour radio show
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- That he shares with clay travis.
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- It airs in that same place
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- Where you used to hear rush limbaugh.
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- What you may not have known is that before he was on the air,
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- Buck was a cia officer and a counterterrorism expert.
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- Well, now he's sharing that knowledge
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- In a very insightful new book
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- That goes to the core of what we're all
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- Trying to understand these days
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- How to recognize truth from fiction
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- And, equally important, how to spot manipulative
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- Messaging created to brainwash people into these new
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- Bizarre political and social media movements.
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- Now i've got the book right here.
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- It's called manufacturing delusion.
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- The left uses brainwashing, indoctrination, and propaganda
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- Against you. thank you for joining us, buck
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- Allen.
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- Thanks for having me.
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- The book is fascinating.
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- Are you pleased with it?
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- Yeah.
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- I've been, really overwhelmed and gratified by the response.
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- I mean, look, it's no secret.
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- Anybody who
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- Follows the publishing industry these days will tell you it's.
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- It's not easy to get people to read books about politics
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- That don't have the name trump on the front cover.
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- And while i am an ardent trump supporter,
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- I wanted to tackle something that was in my immediate
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- Area of expertise.
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- So here's what this book does.
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- Here's what manufacturing delusion sets out to do.
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- What is happening to these people in our country
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- Who seem to believe things that are just manifestly false?
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- I would even go so far as to say,
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- Believe things that are crazy.
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- There's just no way that it could possibly be true.
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- For example, i'll give you a couple of examples. right?
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- You can look at people who believe that we are facing
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- A climate apocalypse, and that is the term
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- That they will use a climate apocalypse,
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- That if we don't have co2 control
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- By some international body, preferably the u.n.
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- Or something else, if we don't bring down
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- Our emissions, we're all going to die.
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- I mean that as in a species.
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- Now, of course,
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- We all are going to die, but that's a separate conversation.
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- They mean that human species will go extinct.
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- That's crazy.
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- There's not any evidence for this.
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- This is bizarre.
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- During covid, we saw a lot of this.
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- People who thought that two masks,
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- Five masks, maybe ten masks would protect them
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- From the virus. the whole thing was absurd.
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- During the black lives matter riots of the george floyd
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- Era, there were, a large number, i think was about 30%
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- Of democrats who believe that thousands of black men
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- Are killed by police every year in this country,
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- Who are innocent?
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- They are unarmed. they are innocent.
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- And the police are not punished for this.
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- That's insane.
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- But there's a reason behind these insane beliefs.
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- There's a reason why your neighbor believes crazy stuff.
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- Like the russians helped trump hack into elections in 2016.
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- Or, that men can become women,
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- Which is another big one that we talk about in the book.
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- And it goes to the origins
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- Of mind control that totalitarian regimes
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- Began perfecting about 100 years ago.
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- And so i take you into that history
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- And then into the play by play, if you will, the tactical
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- How to guide of manipulation of the mind through mental
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- Side brainwashing, identity construction,
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- Isolation, forced phobia.
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- These are all the ways in which not just individuals,
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- But of course, the masses can go mad and are done so through
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- Or become so rather through manipulation.
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- You know, history has shown us how people like mao
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- And stalin used a process called thought reform
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- To move the public
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- In the direction they wanted, in a direction
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- That's not in their best interest.
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- So it sounds like that's still happening.
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- Oh, absolutely.
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- In fact,
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- I appreciate, by the way, you, alan, gurley, know your history
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- Because you used the correct
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- Term from the chinese, obviously, in translation.
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- But thought reform is what the mao is called.
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- Their very severe and pervasive
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- Indoctrination, procedures.
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- And in the book there's a whole chapter on this.
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- Now, i call it brainwashing,
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- Because that's the american term for chinese thought reform.
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- Again, if you pick up a copy
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- Of manufacturing delusion, you'll learn this history, too.
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- Which is why i think people
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- Have really found it worth their time.
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- Not only am i telling you about the politics of today
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- And explaining
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- How people can believe so many of these crazy things,
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- But also how we got here, how these tactics were honed
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- By the most evil regimes
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- With the worst human toll of all time.
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- I'm talking about the nazis, of course.
- 00:10:37.370 --> 00:10:38.972
- The the soviets, the communist chinese.
- 00:10:38.972 --> 00:10:42.642
- You look at the last 100 years,
- 00:10:42.642 --> 00:10:44.144
- They've done more evil in the world than anyone else,
- 00:10:44.144 --> 00:10:46.713
- And they were using these tactics.
- 00:10:46.713 --> 00:10:48.248
- Now, here's the jump. here's where it gets
- 00:10:48.248 --> 00:10:49.850
- Really interesting, i think, for people.
- 00:10:49.850 --> 00:10:50.984
- I mean, i'm not saying that what's going on in
- 00:10:50.984 --> 00:10:54.454
- America is exactly the same or on the same scale of violence
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- Or force as
- 00:10:58.525 --> 00:10:59.559
- What was going on in china in the 1950s and 60s
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- And during the cultural revolution.
- 00:11:02.462 --> 00:11:03.563
- What i am saying is look at what they did though.
- 00:11:03.563 --> 00:11:06.066
- Look at how thought reform, brainwashing.
- 00:11:06.066 --> 00:11:08.335
- Same thing.
- 00:11:08.335 --> 00:11:09.202
- Look at how it worked.
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- False confession, for example,
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- Confessing to things you know to be true.
- 00:11:12.405 --> 00:11:14.574
- No. to be untrue.
- 00:11:14.574 --> 00:11:15.942
- Debasing your own sense of reason
- 00:11:15.942 --> 00:11:18.478
- That was central to what they did
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- To prisoners in communist china
- 00:11:20.647 --> 00:11:22.482
- To break them psychologically and emotionally
- 00:11:22.482 --> 00:11:25.218
- And then remake them to believe whatever.
- 00:11:25.218 --> 00:11:27.621
- What are we to think of these
- 00:11:27.621 --> 00:11:29.422
- Meetings that begin with land acknowledgments in this country,
- 00:11:29.422 --> 00:11:32.993
- Or why do people have to go around
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- And beg forgiveness
- 00:11:34.728 --> 00:11:35.729
- For not using the preferred pronoun,
- 00:11:35.729 --> 00:11:37.697
- Or for dead naming someone who is, quote, trans?
- 00:11:37.697 --> 00:11:40.433
- Why is it that we're forced to apologize
- 00:11:40.433 --> 00:11:42.536
- For things for which no apology need to be given
- 00:11:42.536 --> 00:11:44.604
- Because no wrong was done?
- 00:11:44.604 --> 00:11:46.339
- That is straight out of the playbook.
- 00:11:46.339 --> 00:11:48.275
- And that's just one example.
- 00:11:48.275 --> 00:11:49.943
- But i'm looking at the tactical similarities.
- 00:11:49.943 --> 00:11:52.646
- Not saying it's the same, but saying that there are processes.
- 00:11:52.646 --> 00:11:55.882
- Same with cold indoctrination, by the way
- 00:11:55.882 --> 00:11:57.951
- You look at cults, you look at maoism
- 00:11:57.951 --> 00:11:59.719
- And you look at a college campus.
- 00:11:59.719 --> 00:12:00.887
- Today,
- 00:12:00.887 --> 00:12:01.555
- There is a
- 00:12:01.555 --> 00:12:02.722
- Thread of how they do this that runs through all three.
- 00:12:02.722 --> 00:12:07.294
- Well, for friends of
- 00:12:07.761 --> 00:12:08.862
- Hamas and hezbollah who are here in this country.
- 00:12:08.862 --> 00:12:11.665
- Is the brainwashing
- 00:12:11.665 --> 00:12:12.632
- Strong enough to ignite their anger and evil
- 00:12:12.632 --> 00:12:14.601
- Without a phone call or an email,
- 00:12:14.601 --> 00:12:16.436
- But rather just by them watching the news?
- 00:12:16.436 --> 00:12:18.972
- For example, the man in texas
- 00:12:18.972 --> 00:12:20.273
- Who went on his solo killing spree.
- 00:12:20.273 --> 00:12:23.109
- Oh, absolutely.
- 00:12:23.109 --> 00:12:24.144
- In fact, this is where my previous line of work,
- 00:12:24.144 --> 00:12:27.948
- My expertise, came in very handy in writing this book.
- 00:12:27.948 --> 00:12:31.184
- I start off the book with, my first deployment
- 00:12:31.184 --> 00:12:35.322
- With the central intelligence agency to nigeria decades ago,
- 00:12:35.322 --> 00:12:39.159
- And it was looking at the very origins
- 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:42.662
- Of extremist brainwashing in this case, jihadist,
- 00:12:42.662 --> 00:12:46.566
- You know, islamic extremist, but extremist brainwashing
- 00:12:46.566 --> 00:12:49.436
- In northern nigeria.
- 00:12:49.436 --> 00:12:51.104
- And that was a formative experience for me.
- 00:12:51.104 --> 00:12:53.607
- I was just in my i was in my early 20s, you can imagine,
- 00:12:53.607 --> 00:12:57.377
- I do not blend in particularly well.
- 00:12:57.377 --> 00:12:59.179
- And, i was learning a lot in the process
- 00:12:59.179 --> 00:13:03.149
- Of being in that part of the world and seeing how it was
- 00:13:03.149 --> 00:13:06.987
- That money from the middle east was building these mosques
- 00:13:06.987 --> 00:13:09.322
- And what the programs were of indoctrinated people.
- 00:13:09.322 --> 00:13:11.825
- And that area became the wellspring, it became the,
- 00:13:11.825 --> 00:13:16.496
- The recruiting ground for boko haram,
- 00:13:16.496 --> 00:13:18.832
- A terrorist group that we now all know.
- 00:13:18.832 --> 00:13:20.267
- Well, unfortunately, because of the horrific death toll.
- 00:13:20.267 --> 00:13:22.736
- So that was early in my life,
- 00:13:22.736 --> 00:13:25.572
- An experience and a manufacturing delusion.
- 00:13:25.572 --> 00:13:27.407
- I tell some details about that mission, as well as missions,
- 00:13:27.407 --> 00:13:31.544
- With the cia to iraq and to afghanistan, where,
- 00:13:31.544 --> 00:13:34.547
- Of course, we also saw jihadist extremism.
- 00:13:34.547 --> 00:13:36.883
- And then i was at the
- 00:13:36.883 --> 00:13:38.118
- Nypd intelligence division, which did counterterrorism work,
- 00:13:38.118 --> 00:13:41.454
- And that looked at exactly
- 00:13:41.454 --> 00:13:43.123
- What you just asked allen, which is how is it that people
- 00:13:43.123 --> 00:13:46.393
- Have this lone wolf phenomenon and this self radicalization
- 00:13:46.393 --> 00:13:50.096
- In the west?
- 00:13:50.096 --> 00:13:51.331
- Well, they go through these same processes that i outline
- 00:13:51.331 --> 00:13:54.901
- In the book of, forced self isolation, even.
- 00:13:54.901 --> 00:13:59.306
- And there's a whole explanation for how it is.
- 00:13:59.306 --> 00:14:01.274
- How is it possible
- 00:14:01.274 --> 00:14:02.542
- That you can be a person surrounded by people,
- 00:14:02.542 --> 00:14:04.778
- But feel so deeply isolated that your psychology
- 00:14:04.778 --> 00:14:07.847
- Is vulnerable to this kind of mind control?
- 00:14:07.847 --> 00:14:10.984
- So manufacturing delusion?
- 00:14:10.984 --> 00:14:12.152
- I explain that, and it gets to exactly what you ask,
- 00:14:12.152 --> 00:14:15.422
- Which is how are these people,
- 00:14:15.422 --> 00:14:17.057
- How is it that they would commit violence
- 00:14:17.924 --> 00:14:19.526
- Against total strangers in the name of some ideology
- 00:14:19.526 --> 00:14:22.228
- Or something going on on the other side of the world?
- 00:14:22.228 --> 00:14:24.597
- It's because that's
- 00:14:24.597 --> 00:14:25.865
- How powerful mind control techniques are when applied
- 00:14:25.865 --> 00:14:29.903
- And when these narratives, in some cases more narrative,
- 00:14:29.903 --> 00:14:32.305
- It's more propaganda, which is also a section
- 00:14:32.305 --> 00:14:34.307
- In the book on its own propaganda.
- 00:14:34.307 --> 00:14:36.409
- Sometimes they're so strong and the messaging is so powerful
- 00:14:36.409 --> 00:14:40.080
- That that's all that's needed for someone to radicalize.
- 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:43.083
- And then jihadis,
- 00:14:43.083 --> 00:14:44.818
- If you will, take the next steps to become a violent terrorist.
- 00:14:44.818 --> 00:14:48.355
- Well, look,
- 00:14:48.688 --> 00:14:49.222
- I don't want to give
- 00:14:49.222 --> 00:14:49.789
- Away the entire book,
- 00:14:49.789 --> 00:14:50.757
- But can you stay with us for another segment?
- 00:14:50.757 --> 00:14:53.426
- Love to tackle anything you want.
- 00:14:53.426 --> 00:14:55.695
- Well, if those of you watching
- 00:14:55.695 --> 00:14:56.830
- When i add a comment or send a question,
- 00:14:56.830 --> 00:14:58.832
- You can log on to aj now.com and tell me what you think.
- 00:14:58.832 --> 00:15:02.168
- I'll be back with buck sexton in just a moment.
- 00:15:02.168 --> 00:15:11.544
- But. we're back now with buck sexton.
- 00:15:11.544 --> 00:15:19.386
- He and clay travers.
- 00:15:19.386 --> 00:15:20.554
- They filled some big shoes that rush limbaugh left behind
- 00:15:20.554 --> 00:15:23.089
- Broadcasting every afternoon across our country.
- 00:15:23.089 --> 00:15:26.626
- Well, i'm assuming you hear it all day long.
- 00:15:26.626 --> 00:15:28.461
- The people who love our president
- 00:15:28.461 --> 00:15:30.163
- And then the naysayers,
- 00:15:30.163 --> 00:15:31.765
- Even president trump has said that he could cure cancer,
- 00:15:31.765 --> 00:15:34.668
- And they would still complain about what he's accomplished.
- 00:15:34.668 --> 00:15:37.137
- How could our viewers figure out the truth
- 00:15:37.137 --> 00:15:39.172
- And shake off the narratives that the legacy media
- 00:15:39.172 --> 00:15:41.641
- Is peddling?
- 00:15:41.641 --> 00:15:45.145
- Well, it's, of course, an ongoing process.
- 00:15:45.145 --> 00:15:47.881
- And, in manufacturing delusion, which i have to tell you alone,
- 00:15:47.881 --> 00:15:51.484
- My favorite part of the response to the book has been, wow,
- 00:15:51.484 --> 00:15:55.922
- I knew you were a radio guy, but this is actually a good book.
- 00:15:55.922 --> 00:15:58.692
- And i say, on the one hand, i'm gratified that people enjoy
- 00:15:58.692 --> 00:16:02.162
- Reading it. on the other hand, i don't know.
- 00:16:02.162 --> 00:16:04.197
- The surprise was something that i shouldn't
- 00:16:04.197 --> 00:16:06.433
- Necessarily have expected, but fair enough as it is,
- 00:16:06.433 --> 00:16:09.970
- Because it took a lot of research
- 00:16:09.970 --> 00:16:11.171
- And i did write this myself, which i also like to know,
- 00:16:11.171 --> 00:16:13.907
- Because there's a lot of ghostwriting
- 00:16:13.907 --> 00:16:15.775
- That goes on in our industry, which is it's fine,
- 00:16:15.775 --> 00:16:17.844
- It's lawful, it's legal and all that.
- 00:16:17.844 --> 00:16:19.579
- But, i like to write my own stuff.
- 00:16:19.579 --> 00:16:22.248
- So the book lays out in a lot of ways for people
- 00:16:22.248 --> 00:16:27.020
- How it is to identify when someone is trying to use
- 00:16:27.020 --> 00:16:30.924
- What's sometimes called, by the way,
- 00:16:30.924 --> 00:16:32.626
- In psychological circles
- 00:16:32.626 --> 00:16:33.994
- Or psychiatric circles, coercive persuasion.
- 00:16:33.994 --> 00:16:37.430
- This is certainly in the context of cults.
- 00:16:37.430 --> 00:16:39.666
- You know, there's a lot
- 00:16:39.666 --> 00:16:40.800
- One of the things i try to do is lay out for people
- 00:16:40.800 --> 00:16:43.336
- Because, yeah, your neighbor, your friend,
- 00:16:43.336 --> 00:16:45.138
- Your coworker may say some some crazy stuff,
- 00:16:45.138 --> 00:16:48.575
- And a lot of these terms can blend over into each other,
- 00:16:48.575 --> 00:16:52.012
- Whether it's brainwashing.
- 00:16:52.012 --> 00:16:53.213
- I introduce a term in the book that comes from a noted,
- 00:16:53.213 --> 00:16:57.450
- Information warfare specialist in the second world
- 00:16:57.450 --> 00:16:59.753
- War, worked against the nazis called mental side
- 00:16:59.753 --> 00:17:01.655
- Or killing of the mind,
- 00:17:01.655 --> 00:17:02.856
- Which is a
- 00:17:02.856 --> 00:17:04.124
- Variation of of brainwashing, very similar to brainwashing.
- 00:17:04.124 --> 00:17:07.427
- But these terms are all basically
- 00:17:07.427 --> 00:17:10.497
- About the methods, the practices that people use
- 00:17:10.497 --> 00:17:14.701
- To control your mind for the purpose of making people
- 00:17:14.701 --> 00:17:17.937
- Believe and act on falsehood, which of course, is inherently
- 00:17:17.937 --> 00:17:22.275
- Bad and and even demonic.
- 00:17:22.275 --> 00:17:24.344
- And so that's why i think it's so important
- 00:17:24.344 --> 00:17:26.279
- To understand the processes, because then you can see them
- 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:29.816
- Being used against you.
- 00:17:29.816 --> 00:17:30.984
- And so when you're asking me, alan,
- 00:17:30.984 --> 00:17:32.485
- How do we get people defense or defend it, if you will,
- 00:17:32.485 --> 00:17:36.056
- Against these tactics?
- 00:17:36.056 --> 00:17:37.023
- First thing is to recognize to know
- 00:17:37.023 --> 00:17:39.159
- What's going on, be like, wait a second.
- 00:17:39.159 --> 00:17:40.994
- This is when someone says that climate change
- 00:17:40.994 --> 00:17:43.029
- Is the biggest national security threat we face.
- 00:17:43.029 --> 00:17:44.998
- And you should not have children because of the co2 impact.
- 00:17:44.998 --> 00:17:49.169
- This is something called forced phobia.
- 00:17:49.169 --> 00:17:51.037
- This is from the fire hose of falsehood
- 00:17:51.037 --> 00:17:53.206
- Continuing to push lies to make people so fearful
- 00:17:53.206 --> 00:17:56.843
- That you can hijack the fear center of the brain
- 00:17:56.843 --> 00:17:58.945
- And then replace it with an action
- 00:17:58.945 --> 00:18:00.980
- That will drive them away from that fear.
- 00:18:00.980 --> 00:18:02.882
- There's a chapter in the book
- 00:18:02.882 --> 00:18:04.084
- In manufacturing delusion on that forced phobia, for example.
- 00:18:04.084 --> 00:18:07.554
- So when you see what they're
- 00:18:07.554 --> 00:18:08.655
- Trying to do, that's very important.
- 00:18:08.655 --> 00:18:10.290
- That's very necessary. first step.
- 00:18:10.290 --> 00:18:12.225
- But the other part of this i mentioned solzhenitsyn,
- 00:18:12.225 --> 00:18:15.061
- The great dissident soviet writer of the 20th century, his,
- 00:18:15.061 --> 00:18:19.566
- His mantra, his maxim to live not by lies.
- 00:18:19.566 --> 00:18:23.336
- Any time someone is trying to get you to agree
- 00:18:23.336 --> 00:18:26.072
- With the lie, to accept a lie, to be polite and lie,
- 00:18:26.072 --> 00:18:30.977
- You should be on guard, because that's never a pathway
- 00:18:30.977 --> 00:18:35.381
- That will lead you to right and righteous thinking.
- 00:18:35.381 --> 00:18:38.451
- And so, in manufacturing delusion,
- 00:18:38.451 --> 00:18:41.287
- I lay out for people how these things happen, but
- 00:18:41.287 --> 00:18:43.857
- Also how it's going to become more complicated in the future,
- 00:18:43.857 --> 00:18:46.826
- Which i think is one of the most important notes
- 00:18:46.826 --> 00:18:48.695
- Some of the people actually find their favorite chapter
- 00:18:48.695 --> 00:18:50.597
- In the book
- 00:18:50.597 --> 00:18:51.331
- Is the final chapter,
- 00:18:51.331 --> 00:18:52.465
- Where i start talking about the role
- 00:18:52.465 --> 00:18:54.234
- That artificial intelligence is going to play on this.
- 00:18:54.234 --> 00:18:56.436
- I mean, you know, this, allen,
- 00:18:56.436 --> 00:18:57.637
- I have to check with my staff on radio.
- 00:18:57.637 --> 00:18:59.472
- Sometimes i say, hold on is, guys, is this ai?
- 00:18:59.472 --> 00:19:02.842
- A couple of years ago, it was obvious it was.
- 00:19:02.842 --> 00:19:05.478
- This technology is getting better and better all the time.
- 00:19:05.478 --> 00:19:08.114
- Voice, patterning, technology
- 00:19:08.114 --> 00:19:09.949
- That can fake someone else's voice.
- 00:19:09.949 --> 00:19:11.851
- Video fabrication.
- 00:19:11.851 --> 00:19:13.353
- You want to talk about mind control.
- 00:19:13.353 --> 00:19:14.988
- You don't think that in russia or in communist china,
- 00:19:14.988 --> 00:19:18.458
- They're going to be using this stuff on a mass scale.
- 00:19:18.458 --> 00:19:21.027
- They're already doing it.
- 00:19:21.027 --> 00:19:22.428
- They're creating an alternate reality online.
- 00:19:22.428 --> 00:19:25.431
- And on people's smartphones,
- 00:19:25.431 --> 00:19:27.300
- Making them think entirely untrue things by the millions,
- 00:19:27.300 --> 00:19:31.704
- By the tens of millions, so that they can control them.
- 00:19:31.704 --> 00:19:35.008
- So i view this as the biggest threat that humanity faces.
- 00:19:35.008 --> 00:19:37.777
- I say that at the start of the book
- 00:19:37.777 --> 00:19:39.312
- And in manufacturing delusion, i really have a call to arms,
- 00:19:39.312 --> 00:19:42.749
- If you will, for everybody to pay attention to this threat.
- 00:19:42.749 --> 00:19:45.652
- Understand why it's so incredibly important
- 00:19:45.652 --> 00:19:49.589
- To know when this is being done to you,
- 00:19:49.589 --> 00:19:52.225
- And to be prepared for a future where there will
- 00:19:52.225 --> 00:19:53.893
- Be more and more of this.
- 00:19:53.893 --> 00:19:55.428
- One more quick question.
- 00:19:55.962 --> 00:19:57.130
- You and clay reach a lot of people each day
- 00:19:57.130 --> 00:19:59.265
- And across the past several years.
- 00:19:59.265 --> 00:20:00.600
- Now there are many more news
- 00:20:00.600 --> 00:20:02.001
- Outlets than there are, and dealing
- 00:20:02.001 --> 00:20:03.603
- Far more truth in what's best for the country.
- 00:20:03.603 --> 00:20:06.239
- They were there before trump took office,
- 00:20:06.239 --> 00:20:08.274
- But now they're gaining viewers every month.
- 00:20:08.274 --> 00:20:10.043
- So do you think the conservatives
- 00:20:10.043 --> 00:20:11.344
- And people in the middle
- 00:20:11.344 --> 00:20:12.412
- May gain enough of a voice
- 00:20:12.412 --> 00:20:13.847
- In the next few years to drown out the lies?
- 00:20:13.847 --> 00:20:17.016
- I don't think we'll ever drown out the lies,
- 00:20:17.016 --> 00:20:18.985
- But i do think
- 00:20:18.985 --> 00:20:20.186
- We are on a much more even battlefield of ideas
- 00:20:20.186 --> 00:20:24.157
- Now than we have been in a long time.
- 00:20:24.157 --> 00:20:26.593
- You know, rush limbaugh was really holding the line.
- 00:20:26.593 --> 00:20:29.562
- And, you know, clay and i are honored to have taken,
- 00:20:29.562 --> 00:20:32.599
- Up his mantle
- 00:20:32.966 --> 00:20:34.300
- After his passing and try to continue at some level,
- 00:20:34.300 --> 00:20:37.036
- Just the service, that's what i call it.
- 00:20:37.036 --> 00:20:38.605
- Continue the service to his audience of patriots
- 00:20:38.605 --> 00:20:40.940
- All across the country.
- 00:20:40.940 --> 00:20:42.141
- And that's certainly what we try to do on clay and block.
- 00:20:42.141 --> 00:20:43.977
- And i hope your audience, by the way,
- 00:20:43.977 --> 00:20:45.445
- Will tune in on radio to check us out some time.
- 00:20:45.445 --> 00:20:47.513
- We're on basically every station across the country
- 00:20:47.513 --> 00:20:49.916
- From noon to three.
- 00:20:49.916 --> 00:20:51.484
- We're in russia's time slot, but i would also say
- 00:20:51.484 --> 00:20:55.154
- We have reached now a breakthrough because of elon
- 00:20:55.154 --> 00:20:59.058
- Purchasing twitter.
- 00:20:59.058 --> 00:21:00.193
- Now x they can't totally control the message online
- 00:21:00.193 --> 00:21:04.163
- The way they could even 5 or 10 years ago.
- 00:21:04.163 --> 00:21:06.466
- So we're gaining ground. alan.
- 00:21:06.466 --> 00:21:08.334
- It's a much better information warfare environment here at home
- 00:21:08.334 --> 00:21:12.005
- Than it has been in a long time.
- 00:21:12.005 --> 00:21:13.573
- But as i say, in manufacturing collusion,
- 00:21:13.573 --> 00:21:15.475
- Which everybody should go buy a copy of as soon as they can
- 00:21:15.475 --> 00:21:18.244
- Because they'll learn all this stuff.
- 00:21:18.244 --> 00:21:19.812
- You have to be always vigilant and always on guard,
- 00:21:19.812 --> 00:21:22.448
- Because the ultimate control is control of your mind.
- 00:21:22.448 --> 00:21:24.984
- And a lot of people are trying to achieve that every day.
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- Well, before
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- We go, here's the book manufacturing delusion
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- How the left uses
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- Brainwashing, indoctrination, and propaganda against you.
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- It'll help you understand what's happening,
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- And you can hear a book every day
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- In nearly every city across the country.
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- So listen to the book and then tune in to aj now.
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- But thanks for joining us today.
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- Hey, alan, great to be with you. thanks so much.
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- We'll be back in just a moment.
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- Just a quick reminder.
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- If you ever miss a live broadcast,
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- There's a full archive of our programs there.
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- If you have a favorite, you can share it with a friend.
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- Makes for some fun conversation helps spread the message.
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- Thank you for spending a few minutes of your day with us.
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- It's always good to remember god's moving in the earth.
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- We want to be a part of that.
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- Thank you and i pray you have a wonderful evening.
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