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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Open Dialog | Allen Jackson Now | September 22, 2025
- You know, our goal is always
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- Is to take our faith outside the walls of our church.
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- And our comfortable bible studies
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- And even our conversations with friends
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- And impact our culture with the worldview that we hold.
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- Well, i don't know that that's ever
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- Been more important than it is right now.
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- My friend charlie kirk was assassinated last week.
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- That's an awkward statement to make.
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- You know, it's an uncomfortable thought for me
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- That we have a christian martyr in america
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- In the 21st century, but that's our reality today.
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- I want to start with a verse of scripture, matthew chapter 24.
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- It was jesus most lengthy prophetic discourse,
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- But he's talking about the end of the age
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- And the characteristics of culture
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- That will happen as we approach the culmination of this age.
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- And he said, this shall be handed over
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- To be persecuted and put to death.
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- It will be hated by all nations because of me.
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- And at that time many will turn away
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- From the faith and will betray and hate each other.
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- Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
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- But i don't think it's a secret
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- To those of you that would listen
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- To this podcast that charlie kirk was a friend.
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- You know, charlie was
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- He was a christian.
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- He wasn't a pastor.
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- He didn't serve a congregation.
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- He didn't have an official church title.
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- He was an american citizen,
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- But he didn't have an elected office.
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- He wasn't he didn't have a government job.
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- He just took that notion of being a citizen and his faith,
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- And he lived those out in a public way.
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- And for that, he was assassinated.
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- And the language that's been directed at him is awful.
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- He was a fascist. he was a bigot.
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- He was a nazi.
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- I mean, he was a propagator of hate speech.
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- You know, in reality, what charlie did was express
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- A biblical worldview.
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- And i've watched lots
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- Of his conversations
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- With college students. i hope you have two
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- There on youtube and a lot of other places.
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- It seemed to me he was always welcoming
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- Of whatever perspective people brought,
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- Even people that came with a lot of hatred and anger
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- And a lot of names they would call him.
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- He would be respectful of their opinion,
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- Wouldn't always agree with them.
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- He would point them back to what
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- He understood to be a biblical worldview.
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- But engaging in open dialog on a college campus
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- Seems to me to be the point of going to a college campus.
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- They're not indoctrination centers,
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- They're places for the free exchange of ideas.
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- Nevertheless,
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- Today we see the intolerance expressed
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- In a surprising wave of hatred from across our country.
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- So how do we respond to that?
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- What do we do with that?
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- We can't step out of the political discussion.
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- We can't step out of cultural discussions.
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- I don't accept this notion that we separate church and state.
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- A state without the moral influence of a faith is nothing
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- But an authoritarian regime
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- That will crush our liberties and freedoms.
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- We cannot abandon the public square.
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- It's not about endorsing candidates or parties.
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- It's a worldview that we advocate for.
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- Well, i couldn't think of a better way
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- To have this discussion with a friend of mine.
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- Ronny simon, he's not new to you if you're a faithful follower
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- Of this podcast.
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- Ronny was my first guest
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- On our very first culture and christianity podcast.
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- Ronny simon, if you don't know him, he's an israeli,
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- But i've known him for a couple of decades
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- Now for full disclosure.
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- He is a historian.
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- He works with us.
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- We do tours.
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- I have learned
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- I've learned more about the middle east
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- And the history of israel from ronny
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- Than in any university i've ever studied in.
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- And i've had the privilege of studying
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- In some celebrated university settings.
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- So, ronnie, welcome back to the podcast.
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- Thank you. so thank you for having me on the show.
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- You know, we're struggling in our nation today
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- To see the hatred expressed towards a christian
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- In what we would imagine a christian nation.
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- Now, martyrs are new to our faith.
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- They populate the hebrew bible and they feel the story of
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- The church.
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- But it's unsettling to see them in nations where we think
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- We have free speech and rights to a symbol.
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- I don't think you can
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- Have a martyr like charlie
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- Unless you can dehumanize them first.
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- You know, you make them less than.
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- They don't deserve tolerance.
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- They don't deserve to be heard.
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- They don't deserve respect.
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- Well, i don't know of any group of
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- People that have suffered
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- Dehumanization over a long period of time.
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- More than the jewish people.
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- And it's still happening in the last few weeks in america.
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- I have heard that the israelis i don't believe any of this,
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- But i've heard that the israelis who were responsible for
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- Jeffrey epstein, that he was,
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- He was an agent of the israeli
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- Secret service as a global black male.
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- I've heard that the israelis
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- Were responsible for charlie's assassination.
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- I've heard that the israelis were murdering
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- Children in gaza and starving the population.
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- And the people saying these things
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- Weren't offering any evidence.
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- They were just making these hateful accusations.
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- So maybe we start our conversation by talking about
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- How do you overcome that kind of hate
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- And dehumanization, because the you have
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- Israel is a happy place in the midst of the hatred.
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- You flourish.
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- It's one of my favorite places in the world.
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- Well, i have to agree.
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- So we do not have those issues discussed in israel,
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- And we are in awe to see recently how quickly
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- The world responded in a shocking way.
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- Until about two years ago.
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- We knew that it was there because anti-semitism,
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- Ojudu phobia.
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- If i can use that, there, maybe even better was always there,
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- But it was considered to be a negative term to use.
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- And the people spoke again to jewish people.
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- That was not politically correct.
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- It has all changed now.
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- Suddenly what was forbidden only a few months ago
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- Is right on the table.
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- The people speak about the not just the wicked,
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- Where the jews, the brutal way of the jews
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- And the jews are doing that, not even the israelis.
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- So they take something that
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- The state of israel and we are not always right,
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- And they're just presented to the whole jewish people,
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- Because the argument is usually you can criticize israel,
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- Which i agree. you can criticize israel.
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- But if you take the israeli criticism
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- And you throw a molotov cocktail at a jewish person,
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- The synagogue in michigan,
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- Well, that's not a local israeli issue.
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- It's a jewish issue.
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- If you bring it up to that level.
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- Right.
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- So we are facing something that we thought was long gone.
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- It's like reading once again,
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- The protocols of the elders of zion
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- That the jews want to conquer the world, want to take over.
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- And here's a proof.
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- They are invading gaza.
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- Nobody reminds anybody that hamas attacked first.
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- It's our retaliation.
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- And, you know, over the last 2000 years of history,
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- It came and went on different volumes, different levels.
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- And maybe the nazis brought it to this perfection,
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- If i may say that.
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- So speak about the racial issue.
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- And they started measuring jewish skulls,
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- And they said that they're not as big as a normal human skull.
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- So the jews are not really human,
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- And if they're not human, we don't have to
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- Treat them as human.
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- They're less than human.
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- And the amazing thing is, you have so many people
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- That are willing to follow that kind
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- Of not just a lie of dehumanizing other people.
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- And that's a full step,
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- Because if they're
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- Not really human beings, we don't have to treat them
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- As human beings.
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- So the next step is indeed just saying, listen,
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- The jews are victims,
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- And this
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- You should not be treated as people because of what they do.
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- And again, within two years or even less, it becomes the norm.
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- This will be the starting point of discussions today.
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- This is a given.
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- Nobody has to prove anything. as you said earlier.
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- For us in israel, that was a big surprise.
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- For us in israel, that was a big surprise.
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- I want to see
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- If we can unpack a couple ideas that are pretty prominent
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- When discussions of israel come up.
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- One that i hear a lot and i hear it on college campuses.
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- I hear it a lot of places.
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- Is that the formula for peace in the middle east
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- Requires israel to give up land.
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- And you're going to know more about this than i do.
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- I know just enough to get in trouble
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- That israel occupies about 2% of the land in the middle east.
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- You know,
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- I know there's more
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- Than a million arabs who are citizens of israel.
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- Close to two. almost 2 million.
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- There was a
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- Significant jewish population around the middle east
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- In all the nations of the middle east prior to world war two,
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- And with the the birth of the modern state of israel,
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- Those populations were expelled.
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- Can you talk about that topic?
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- Because i think when you explain it,
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- It really makes the notion that israel should give up land
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- Absurd.
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- I also think before you do that,
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- The muslim world saying they could offer anyone peace,
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- They don't have peace amongst themselves.
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- You can't give what you don't have.
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- And the muslim world is divided by hatred and violence.
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- And i know there's some exceptions to that.
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- But if you take that broader muslim
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- World, it's not a unified block of peaceful cooperation.
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- So it's difficult to even find a partner
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- For peace in that world.
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- But let's go back to the land first,
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- Because giving up land for peace is really absurd.
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- Well, i
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- Keep telling people, if you can give me one example
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- Of a muslim rally for peace, just one example.
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- All right.
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- I'm willing to give up all of my theories and ideas.
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- You never see muslims rallying for peace.
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- Okay, that's just a given.
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- On the other hand, here's another challenge.
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- Try to find a place when an israeli prominently or a jewish
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- Said something like, we want to destroy the muslims,
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- We want to kill all the arabs.
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- You will not hear such a statement
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- Because it was never made.
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- And therefore, when people start throwing these slogans, israel
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- Is an apartheid state
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- And israel is ethnically cleansing people.
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- Well, based on what i mean, i say, just give me an example.
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- Give me one example.
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- That's usually when the composition ends
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- And we start calling names one another.
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- Because you cannot exactly you cannot give an example.
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- In 1957,
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- Israel was under an attack from egypt and syria and jordan.
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- They were preparing for war.
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- We decided not to wait, and we launched a preemptive air
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- Strike in june of 1967, a brilliant military victory.
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- But if you and. i were very young.
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- You know, i know that from books.
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- Although i have one recollection.
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- One recollection.
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- May i tell a short story?
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- I mean, the bomb shelter
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- In the town that i lived in in bethlehem.
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- And next to me, my little friend edith is sitting
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- And she's all excited.
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- June 7th, 1967. it's a birthday.
- 00:11:07.425 --> 00:11:11.095
- Now there's another round because they're in the army.
- 00:11:11.095 --> 00:11:13.297
- Just the mothers.
- 00:11:13.297 --> 00:11:14.098
- And we, the kids had a great time,
- 00:11:14.098 --> 00:11:15.533
- You know, just nobody told us what to do.
- 00:11:15.533 --> 00:11:17.468
- It was exciting.
- 00:11:17.468 --> 00:11:18.536
- Then the bombshell, and then we hear something.
- 00:11:18.536 --> 00:11:21.405
- The radio was open.
- 00:11:21.405 --> 00:11:22.573
- It sounded like somebody blowing a trumpet.
- 00:11:22.573 --> 00:11:26.844
- And then some of the mothers tears in their eyes.
- 00:11:26.844 --> 00:11:29.981
- And you're concerned, you know, your dad is in the army.
- 00:11:29.981 --> 00:11:32.150
- All the bloody. i mean, what happened?
- 00:11:32.150 --> 00:11:34.485
- And then edith's mother runs in and says, edith,
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- I have a great birthday present for you, said what, mom?
- 00:11:38.122 --> 00:11:41.492
- Well, jerusalem, the just said that we liberated jerusalem.
- 00:11:41.492 --> 00:11:44.395
- That's your birthday present.
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- And it's it's just great.
- 00:11:46.464 --> 00:11:47.431
- Mom, you promised me a barbie doll.
- 00:11:47.431 --> 00:11:49.333
- I don't want jerusalem as a birthday present.
- 00:11:49.333 --> 00:11:52.436
- So this. i was ten years old.
- 00:11:52.436 --> 00:11:53.771
- So that's my only recollection from the war.
- 00:11:53.771 --> 00:11:56.474
- So in this brilliant campaign, in six days,
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- We were able, i would say liberate.
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- All right.
- 00:12:01.379 --> 00:12:02.480
- Judea and samaria, the heartland of biblical israel.
- 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.383
- The world calls it the west bank and occupied territories,
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- The whole of the sinai peninsula and the golan heights.
- 00:12:08.786 --> 00:12:11.989
- All right.
- 00:12:12.290 --> 00:12:13.157
- Now, i did some research. all right.
- 00:12:13.157 --> 00:12:15.026
- The golan heights, the west bank and, the gaza area,
- 00:12:15.026 --> 00:12:19.864
- The west bank was a land occupied by the jordanian.
- 00:12:19.864 --> 00:12:23.100
- We don't have enough time to get into it.
- 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:25.102
- Never, ever.
- 00:12:25.102 --> 00:12:26.671
- The world's media was using the term occupied
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- Territories when jordan occupied judea and samaria from.
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- 1948 till 1967.
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- Gaza was occupied by the egyptians.
- 00:12:35.880 --> 00:12:38.349
- Never, ever.
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- The world media would call gaza
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- Occupied territories before 1967,
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- When they started to use the term
- 00:12:44.522 --> 00:12:46.657
- When the jewish state has it, obviously.
- 00:12:46.657 --> 00:12:48.759
- But even occupation is a very, very specific term.
- 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.063
- Occupation is a situation in which a sovereign nation
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- Is conquering land from another sovereign nation.
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- All right.
- 00:12:58.736 --> 00:12:59.604
- West bank was conquered from jordan,
- 00:12:59.604 --> 00:13:01.706
- But it wasn't theirs to begin with.
- 00:13:01.706 --> 00:13:03.741
- They took it from the palestine illegally.
- 00:13:03.741 --> 00:13:06.711
- So whose land is it?
- 00:13:06.711 --> 00:13:08.613
- Well, let's call it disputed territories.
- 00:13:08.613 --> 00:13:11.282
- All right, so that would be the beginning of the 67.
- 00:13:11.282 --> 00:13:14.785
- And then we made peace with egypt.
- 00:13:14.785 --> 00:13:16.287
- And the formula was always land for peace.
- 00:13:16.287 --> 00:13:18.589
- We pulled out from sinai, gave it back to the egyptians.
- 00:13:18.589 --> 00:13:22.059
- In the process,
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- We destroyed our own communities that we built in sinai.
- 00:13:23.194 --> 00:13:26.297
- We evacuated lots of people from sinai for peace.
- 00:13:26.297 --> 00:13:29.433
- So whenever the power that we have for peace
- 00:13:29.433 --> 00:13:32.570
- Land is given away, because many people say,
- 00:13:32.570 --> 00:13:35.139
- You know, the settlements are the main obstacle.
- 00:13:35.139 --> 00:13:38.342
- And as long as you have communities
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- In the occupied territories
- 00:13:40.077 --> 00:13:42.146
- That will make sure that you never give them back,
- 00:13:42.146 --> 00:13:44.582
- That's wrong.
- 00:13:44.582 --> 00:13:45.483
- They're just part of fake news.
- 00:13:45.483 --> 00:13:47.485
- Offer us some real peace.
- 00:13:47.485 --> 00:13:48.753
- We know how to destroy our own communities, unfortunately.
- 00:13:48.753 --> 00:13:51.555
- 2005 israel decided to pullout from gaza completely.
- 00:13:51.555 --> 00:13:56.694
- We evacuated 8000 israelis that lived in 21 communities.
- 00:13:56.694 --> 00:14:01.666
- It was a heartbreaking moment,
- 00:14:01.666 --> 00:14:03.501
- But we gave up the land and gave it to the palestinians.
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- And we see what happens.
- 00:14:07.405 --> 00:14:08.372
- Ever since
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- Israel pulled out from here,
- 00:14:09.540 --> 00:14:10.841
- Was in the west bank, gave it to the palestinian autonomy
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- For peace.
- 00:14:13.811 --> 00:14:15.179
- We offered syria peace.
- 00:14:15.179 --> 00:14:16.914
- So whenever we know that the enemy means business
- 00:14:16.914 --> 00:14:19.650
- So we can work out the peace plan.
- 00:14:19.650 --> 00:14:21.619
- Israel pulls out from territories
- 00:14:21.619 --> 00:14:24.322
- And we did all of sinai, but out of the west bank
- 00:14:24.322 --> 00:14:27.992
- And the golan heights was on the table.
- 00:14:27.992 --> 00:14:30.161
- If syria was willing to negotiate and to offer peace,
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- The golan heights would be given back to syria.
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- Although syria today is not really a functioning nation.
- 00:14:36.334 --> 00:14:39.170
- Okay,
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- But to speak about giving up land and occupied territories.
- 00:14:40.371 --> 00:14:43.207
- That's absolutely nonsense.
- 00:14:43.207 --> 00:14:44.542
- We always give a plan when we know
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- That there was a chance to have peace with our neighbors.
- 00:14:47.011 --> 00:14:57.002
- That there was a chance to have peace with our neighbors.
- 00:14:57.002 --> 00:15:00.192
- I was completely unprepared for the hatred for israel
- 00:15:01.293 --> 00:15:04.596
- And the jewish people that came from american college campuses.
- 00:15:04.596 --> 00:15:08.467
- I'm grateful that's been exposed, because now
- 00:15:09.368 --> 00:15:11.236
- We can at least address it.
- 00:15:11.236 --> 00:15:13.472
- Because we won't tolerate it.
- 00:15:13.472 --> 00:15:14.606
- We don't have to tolerate it.
- 00:15:14.606 --> 00:15:15.741
- We shouldn't tolerate it.
- 00:15:15.741 --> 00:15:18.110
- But the line that i hear them
- 00:15:18.110 --> 00:15:19.811
- And when they're interviewed, they can't even explain it.
- 00:15:19.811 --> 00:15:21.480
- But they like to chant from the river to the sea
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- Or free palestine.
- 00:15:24.016 --> 00:15:26.818
- Maybe you could explain to the people listening
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- What that really means, because i don't think
- 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:29.755
- The students, most of them, know what it means.
- 00:15:29.755 --> 00:15:32.691
- Well, i do have a little bit of,
- 00:15:32.691 --> 00:15:34.760
- I would to say hope and optimism because when you watch those
- 00:15:34.760 --> 00:15:38.397
- And those students
- 00:15:38.397 --> 00:15:39.431
- Who are willing to engage in the conversation
- 00:15:39.431 --> 00:15:41.566
- And they're all being told, what is it that they mean?
- 00:15:41.566 --> 00:15:44.236
- It looks like it's a revelation for them
- 00:15:44.236 --> 00:15:46.972
- And they're willing to reconsider
- 00:15:46.972 --> 00:15:48.573
- If they want to participate and shouting slogans again.
- 00:15:48.573 --> 00:15:52.611
- You know, i guess everybody goes for a rally.
- 00:15:52.611 --> 00:15:55.280
- Come on. it's going to be fun.
- 00:15:55.280 --> 00:15:57.015
- And many people that joined his rallies,
- 00:15:57.015 --> 00:15:59.051
- They just have a pile of banners.
- 00:15:59.051 --> 00:16:01.153
- You grab one, you have no idea what it is.
- 00:16:01.153 --> 00:16:03.622
- And you're walking down the streets
- 00:16:03.622 --> 00:16:04.890
- And you're screaming, chanting.
- 00:16:04.890 --> 00:16:06.658
- So maybe.
- 00:16:06.658 --> 00:16:07.426
- Maybe if you are
- 00:16:07.426 --> 00:16:08.693
- Able to engage in a dialog, you can change people's minds.
- 00:16:08.693 --> 00:16:11.863
- But for those that do that,
- 00:16:12.464 --> 00:16:15.033
- I think that the combination of zeal
- 00:16:15.033 --> 00:16:17.869
- And ignorance is a dangerous one.
- 00:16:17.869 --> 00:16:20.639
- You're willing to take steps and you're
- 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:22.340
- Willing to demonstrate, and you're willing
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- Maybe to pay a price for something that you know
- 00:16:23.875 --> 00:16:26.311
- Nothing about. this is embarrassing.
- 00:16:26.311 --> 00:16:28.513
- I'm embarrassed to see those bright american kids.
- 00:16:28.513 --> 00:16:30.882
- I'm not being sarcastic.
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- All right.
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- Expensive university.
- 00:16:33.552 --> 00:16:34.719
- Well, exactly. ivy league, right? yes.
- 00:16:34.719 --> 00:16:36.922
- Being asked questions
- 00:16:36.922 --> 00:16:38.090
- Which are so basic and they don't have a clue.
- 00:16:38.090 --> 00:16:40.692
- And when you ask a question, you can tell they smile
- 00:16:40.692 --> 00:16:42.661
- Or they're embarrassed because they understand that
- 00:16:42.661 --> 00:16:44.463
- You kind of cut them on guard, but they just don't know.
- 00:16:44.463 --> 00:16:47.532
- And you know what the biggest problem is
- 00:16:48.366 --> 00:16:51.203
- That the people behind those messages
- 00:16:51.203 --> 00:16:54.072
- Were willing to sell dirt as a human rights issue.
- 00:16:54.072 --> 00:16:57.275
- And who can be against human rights?
- 00:16:58.043 --> 00:17:00.612
- So you're marching, fighting for the rights of the palestinians
- 00:17:00.612 --> 00:17:04.649
- Because the jews are the big oppressors and the aggressors.
- 00:17:04.649 --> 00:17:08.286
- It's a human rights issue.
- 00:17:08.286 --> 00:17:09.821
- Nobody speaks about religion but speaks about jihad,
- 00:17:09.821 --> 00:17:13.391
- Not about globalize the intifada,
- 00:17:13.391 --> 00:17:15.193
- Which means basically, let's destroy everything
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- For islam to rule.
- 00:17:17.696 --> 00:17:19.297
- They're not being told that part of the story.
- 00:17:19.297 --> 00:17:21.933
- So you say from the river to the sea, basically.
- 00:17:21.933 --> 00:17:24.369
- You mean the river jordan on one side
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- And the mediterranean sea?
- 00:17:26.371 --> 00:17:27.772
- That will be
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- The state of israel, plus some part of the territories.
- 00:17:28.974 --> 00:17:32.043
- And when you say that, would you say,
- 00:17:32.043 --> 00:17:33.478
- Basically, let's eliminate the jews who live there.
- 00:17:33.478 --> 00:17:37.382
- So the same sentence, you say free palestine.
- 00:17:37.382 --> 00:17:40.919
- And the next part of it is by killing all the jews,
- 00:17:40.919 --> 00:17:44.389
- Which means you're advocating genocide without even
- 00:17:44.389 --> 00:17:47.425
- Knowing that that's what you're basically supporting.
- 00:17:47.425 --> 00:17:50.829
- So when you tell that to people, say, oh, okay,
- 00:17:50.829 --> 00:17:53.165
- So maybe this is
- 00:17:53.165 --> 00:17:53.832
- The wrong sign to carry
- 00:17:53.832 --> 00:17:55.500
- And they're going to look for another side.
- 00:17:55.500 --> 00:17:57.569
- But again, this is
- 00:17:57.569 --> 00:17:59.237
- You have to be an optimist.
- 00:17:59.838 --> 00:18:01.239
- All right. and maybe with age.
- 00:18:01.239 --> 00:18:04.009
- But those people that are willing to engage
- 00:18:04.009 --> 00:18:05.710
- In the conversation who are not really brainwashed.
- 00:18:05.710 --> 00:18:08.280
- And it's not something that is coming from their dna, is
- 00:18:08.280 --> 00:18:11.750
- You can change minds, but you need to be open enough
- 00:18:11.750 --> 00:18:14.719
- To have a dialog and just listen to what you're saying.
- 00:18:14.719 --> 00:18:17.756
- And maybe you're wrong.
- 00:18:17.756 --> 00:18:25.005
- And maybe you're wrong.
- 00:18:25.005 --> 00:18:29.703
- Well, since we sat together last.
- 00:18:30.470 --> 00:18:33.874
- God has done more
- 00:18:34.308 --> 00:18:35.242
- Than we would have dared to ask that day.
- 00:18:35.242 --> 00:18:38.378
- Amen to that.
- 00:18:38.745 --> 00:18:39.613
- So i pray we have an opportunity
- 00:18:39.613 --> 00:18:41.648
- To sit down 18 months from now.
- 00:18:41.648 --> 00:18:43.317
- Why wait 18 months and.
- 00:18:43.317 --> 00:18:44.718
- Celebrate even greater victories?
- 00:18:44.718 --> 00:18:47.287
- Yes. well, i hope that we can resolve
- 00:18:47.287 --> 00:18:49.556
- That issue one way or the other.
- 00:18:49.556 --> 00:18:51.158
- And we won't wait 18 months
- 00:18:51.158 --> 00:18:52.693
- Because the hostages will not survive another 18 months.
- 00:18:52.693 --> 00:18:55.862
- The hostages have to be released.
- 00:18:55.862 --> 00:18:57.264
- And this is our first
- 00:18:57.264 --> 00:18:58.465
- Consideration right now for consideration.
- 00:18:58.465 --> 00:19:00.901
- I think there was a big consensus in israel
- 00:19:00.901 --> 00:19:03.270
- That we can deal with hamas at any time in the future,
- 00:19:03.270 --> 00:19:05.906
- And hamas knows that.
- 00:19:05.906 --> 00:19:07.241
- So why would they release them?
- 00:19:07.241 --> 00:19:09.109
- That's a catch.
- 00:19:09.109 --> 00:19:10.444
- Hamas knows if they release the hostages.
- 00:19:10.444 --> 00:19:13.580
- No. there's nowhere to hide. but
- 00:19:13.580 --> 00:19:16.216
- Exactly.
- 00:19:16.483 --> 00:19:19.186
- Well, it's always good to sit down.
- 00:19:19.186 --> 00:19:21.121
- You bring some clarity to a very confusing part of the world.
- 00:19:21.121 --> 00:19:23.890
- Thank you for having me.
- 00:19:23.890 --> 00:19:24.958
- And it's always a pleasure to be able to, at least
- 00:19:24.958 --> 00:19:27.828
- To give some information, because people are thirsty
- 00:19:27.828 --> 00:19:30.497
- For information.
- 00:19:30.497 --> 00:19:31.865
- And the question is always, what can we trust?
- 00:19:31.865 --> 00:19:34.334
- And how do we know that they're not being just
- 00:19:34.334 --> 00:19:36.703
- Fed another one kind of lies and fake news.
- 00:19:36.703 --> 00:19:39.873
- Well,
- 00:19:39.873 --> 00:19:40.641
- Please tell our friends in israel
- 00:19:40.641 --> 00:19:41.742
- That there are many people in america
- 00:19:41.742 --> 00:19:43.343
- That are praying for the peace of jerusalem.
- 00:19:43.343 --> 00:19:44.945
- They will appreciate. it.
- 00:19:44.945 --> 00:19:45.979
- And we're not spreading all the lies, i promise.
- 00:19:45.979 --> 00:19:47.881
- Thank you so.
- 00:19:47.881 --> 00:19:49.783
- And i think what we have to remember is that god
- 00:19:49.783 --> 00:19:52.286
- Is moving in all the earth, not just in israel.
- 00:19:52.286 --> 00:19:54.988
- You'll keep his promises in our lives
- 00:19:54.988 --> 00:19:56.623
- Just as certainly as he will keep them.
- 00:19:56.623 --> 00:19:58.492
- To the jewish people today.
- 00:19:58.492 --> 00:20:00.794
- God is a covenant keeping god, and that's what secures
- 00:20:00.794 --> 00:20:03.330
- Our future. not politicians,
- 00:20:03.330 --> 00:20:05.265
- Not governments, not political parties.
- 00:20:05.265 --> 00:20:07.668
- And when we take our eyes off of that and god's faithfulness,
- 00:20:07.668 --> 00:20:11.171
- We become more vulnerable.
- 00:20:11.171 --> 00:20:13.440
- We will take our faith into the public square.
- 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.476
- And i think we will see christianity impact our culture.
- 00:20:16.476 --> 00:20:19.913
- God's moving in the earth.
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- And i'm glad to be able to be a part of it with you.
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