Allen Jackson: Open Dialog | Allen Jackson Now

September 22, 2025 | 21:56

Ronny Simon joins Allen Jackson to discuss current events in America.

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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Open Dialog | Allen Jackson Now | September 22, 2025
  • You know, our goal is always
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  • Is to take our faith outside the walls of our church.
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  • And our comfortable bible studies
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  • And even our conversations with friends
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  • And impact our culture with the worldview that we hold.
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  • Well, i don't know that that's ever
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  • Been more important than it is right now.
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  • My friend charlie kirk was assassinated last week.
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  • That's an awkward statement to make.
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  • You know, it's an uncomfortable thought for me
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  • That we have a christian martyr in america
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  • In the 21st century, but that's our reality today.
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  • I want to start with a verse of scripture, matthew chapter 24.
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  • It was jesus most lengthy prophetic discourse,
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  • But he's talking about the end of the age
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  • And the characteristics of culture
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  • That will happen as we approach the culmination of this age.
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  • And he said, this shall be handed over
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  • To be persecuted and put to death.
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  • It will be hated by all nations because of me.
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  • And at that time many will turn away
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  • From the faith and will betray and hate each other.
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  • Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
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  • But i don't think it's a secret
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  • To those of you that would listen
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  • To this podcast that charlie kirk was a friend.
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  • You know, charlie was
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  • He was a christian.
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  • He wasn't a pastor.
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  • He didn't serve a congregation.
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  • He didn't have an official church title.
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  • He was an american citizen,
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  • But he didn't have an elected office.
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  • He wasn't he didn't have a government job.
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  • He just took that notion of being a citizen and his faith,
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  • And he lived those out in a public way.
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  • And for that, he was assassinated.
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  • And the language that's been directed at him is awful.
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  • He was a fascist. he was a bigot.
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  • He was a nazi.
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  • I mean, he was a propagator of hate speech.
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  • You know, in reality, what charlie did was express
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  • A biblical worldview.
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  • And i've watched lots
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  • Of his conversations
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  • With college students. i hope you have two
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  • There on youtube and a lot of other places.
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  • It seemed to me he was always welcoming
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  • Of whatever perspective people brought,
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  • Even people that came with a lot of hatred and anger
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  • And a lot of names they would call him.
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  • He would be respectful of their opinion,
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  • Wouldn't always agree with them.
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  • He would point them back to what
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  • He understood to be a biblical worldview.
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  • But engaging in open dialog on a college campus
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  • Seems to me to be the point of going to a college campus.
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  • They're not indoctrination centers,
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  • They're places for the free exchange of ideas.
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  • Nevertheless,
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  • Today we see the intolerance expressed
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  • In a surprising wave of hatred from across our country.
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  • So how do we respond to that?
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  • What do we do with that?
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  • We can't step out of the political discussion.
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  • We can't step out of cultural discussions.
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  • I don't accept this notion that we separate church and state.
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  • A state without the moral influence of a faith is nothing
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  • But an authoritarian regime
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  • That will crush our liberties and freedoms.
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  • We cannot abandon the public square.
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  • It's not about endorsing candidates or parties.
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  • It's a worldview that we advocate for.
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  • Well, i couldn't think of a better way
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  • To have this discussion with a friend of mine.
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  • Ronny simon, he's not new to you if you're a faithful follower
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  • Of this podcast.
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  • Ronny was my first guest
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  • On our very first culture and christianity podcast.
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  • Ronny simon, if you don't know him, he's an israeli,
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  • But i've known him for a couple of decades
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  • Now for full disclosure.
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  • He is a historian.
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  • He works with us.
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  • We do tours.
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  • I have learned
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  • I've learned more about the middle east
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  • And the history of israel from ronny
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  • Than in any university i've ever studied in.
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  • And i've had the privilege of studying
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  • In some celebrated university settings.
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  • So, ronnie, welcome back to the podcast.
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  • Thank you. so thank you for having me on the show.
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  • You know, we're struggling in our nation today
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  • To see the hatred expressed towards a christian
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  • In what we would imagine a christian nation.
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  • Now, martyrs are new to our faith.
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  • They populate the hebrew bible and they feel the story of
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  • The church.
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  • But it's unsettling to see them in nations where we think
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  • We have free speech and rights to a symbol.
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  • I don't think you can
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  • Have a martyr like charlie
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  • Unless you can dehumanize them first.
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  • You know, you make them less than.
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  • They don't deserve tolerance.
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  • They don't deserve to be heard.
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  • They don't deserve respect.
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  • Well, i don't know of any group of
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  • People that have suffered
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  • Dehumanization over a long period of time.
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  • More than the jewish people.
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  • And it's still happening in the last few weeks in america.
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  • I have heard that the israelis i don't believe any of this,
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  • But i've heard that the israelis who were responsible for
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  • Jeffrey epstein, that he was,
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  • He was an agent of the israeli
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  • Secret service as a global black male.
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  • I've heard that the israelis
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  • Were responsible for charlie's assassination.
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  • I've heard that the israelis were murdering
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  • Children in gaza and starving the population.
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  • And the people saying these things
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  • Weren't offering any evidence.
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  • They were just making these hateful accusations.
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  • So maybe we start our conversation by talking about
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  • How do you overcome that kind of hate
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  • And dehumanization, because the you have
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  • Israel is a happy place in the midst of the hatred.
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  • You flourish.
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  • It's one of my favorite places in the world.
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  • Well, i have to agree.
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  • So we do not have those issues discussed in israel,
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  • And we are in awe to see recently how quickly
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  • The world responded in a shocking way.
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  • Until about two years ago.
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  • We knew that it was there because anti-semitism,
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  • Ojudu phobia.
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  • If i can use that, there, maybe even better was always there,
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  • But it was considered to be a negative term to use.
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  • And the people spoke again to jewish people.
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  • That was not politically correct.
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  • It has all changed now.
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  • Suddenly what was forbidden only a few months ago
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  • Is right on the table.
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  • The people speak about the not just the wicked,
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  • Where the jews, the brutal way of the jews
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  • And the jews are doing that, not even the israelis.
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  • So they take something that
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  • The state of israel and we are not always right,
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  • And they're just presented to the whole jewish people,
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  • Because the argument is usually you can criticize israel,
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  • Which i agree. you can criticize israel.
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  • But if you take the israeli criticism
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  • And you throw a molotov cocktail at a jewish person,
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  • The synagogue in michigan,
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  • Well, that's not a local israeli issue.
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  • It's a jewish issue.
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  • If you bring it up to that level.
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  • Right.
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  • So we are facing something that we thought was long gone.
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  • It's like reading once again,
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  • The protocols of the elders of zion
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  • That the jews want to conquer the world, want to take over.
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  • And here's a proof.
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  • They are invading gaza.
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  • Nobody reminds anybody that hamas attacked first.
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  • It's our retaliation.
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  • And, you know, over the last 2000 years of history,
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  • It came and went on different volumes, different levels.
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  • And maybe the nazis brought it to this perfection,
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  • If i may say that.
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  • So speak about the racial issue.
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  • And they started measuring jewish skulls,
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  • And they said that they're not as big as a normal human skull.
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  • So the jews are not really human,
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  • And if they're not human, we don't have to
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  • Treat them as human.
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  • They're less than human.
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  • And the amazing thing is, you have so many people
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  • That are willing to follow that kind
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  • Of not just a lie of dehumanizing other people.
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  • And that's a full step,
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  • Because if they're
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  • Not really human beings, we don't have to treat them
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  • As human beings.
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  • So the next step is indeed just saying, listen,
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  • The jews are victims,
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  • And this
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  • You should not be treated as people because of what they do.
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  • And again, within two years or even less, it becomes the norm.
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  • This will be the starting point of discussions today.
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  • This is a given.
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  • Nobody has to prove anything. as you said earlier.
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  • For us in israel, that was a big surprise.
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  • For us in israel, that was a big surprise.
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  • I want to see
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  • If we can unpack a couple ideas that are pretty prominent
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  • When discussions of israel come up.
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  • One that i hear a lot and i hear it on college campuses.
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  • I hear it a lot of places.
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  • Is that the formula for peace in the middle east
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  • Requires israel to give up land.
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  • And you're going to know more about this than i do.
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  • I know just enough to get in trouble
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  • That israel occupies about 2% of the land in the middle east.
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  • You know,
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  • I know there's more
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  • Than a million arabs who are citizens of israel.
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  • Close to two. almost 2 million.
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  • There was a
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  • Significant jewish population around the middle east
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  • In all the nations of the middle east prior to world war two,
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  • And with the the birth of the modern state of israel,
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  • Those populations were expelled.
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  • Can you talk about that topic?
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  • Because i think when you explain it,
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  • It really makes the notion that israel should give up land
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  • Absurd.
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  • I also think before you do that,
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  • The muslim world saying they could offer anyone peace,
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  • They don't have peace amongst themselves.
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  • You can't give what you don't have.
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  • And the muslim world is divided by hatred and violence.
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  • And i know there's some exceptions to that.
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  • But if you take that broader muslim
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  • World, it's not a unified block of peaceful cooperation.
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  • So it's difficult to even find a partner
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  • For peace in that world.
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  • But let's go back to the land first,
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  • Because giving up land for peace is really absurd.
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  • Well, i
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  • Keep telling people, if you can give me one example
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  • Of a muslim rally for peace, just one example.
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  • All right.
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  • I'm willing to give up all of my theories and ideas.
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  • You never see muslims rallying for peace.
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  • Okay, that's just a given.
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  • On the other hand, here's another challenge.
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  • Try to find a place when an israeli prominently or a jewish
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  • Said something like, we want to destroy the muslims,
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  • We want to kill all the arabs.
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  • You will not hear such a statement
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  • Because it was never made.
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  • And therefore, when people start throwing these slogans, israel
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  • Is an apartheid state
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  • And israel is ethnically cleansing people.
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  • Well, based on what i mean, i say, just give me an example.
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  • Give me one example.
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  • That's usually when the composition ends
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  • And we start calling names one another.
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  • Because you cannot exactly you cannot give an example.
  • 00:10:30.421 --> 00:10:34.025
  • In 1957,
  • 00:10:34.292 --> 00:10:36.027
  • Israel was under an attack from egypt and syria and jordan.
  • 00:10:36.027 --> 00:10:40.565
  • They were preparing for war.
  • 00:10:40.565 --> 00:10:42.200
  • We decided not to wait, and we launched a preemptive air
  • 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.269
  • Strike in june of 1967, a brilliant military victory.
  • 00:10:45.269 --> 00:10:49.540
  • But if you and. i were very young.
  • 00:10:50.274 --> 00:10:52.076
  • You know, i know that from books.
  • 00:10:52.076 --> 00:10:53.544
  • Although i have one recollection.
  • 00:10:53.544 --> 00:10:55.847
  • One recollection.
  • 00:10:55.847 --> 00:10:56.881
  • May i tell a short story?
  • 00:10:56.881 --> 00:10:58.683
  • I mean, the bomb shelter
  • 00:10:58.683 --> 00:11:00.451
  • In the town that i lived in in bethlehem.
  • 00:11:00.451 --> 00:11:03.254
  • And next to me, my little friend edith is sitting
  • 00:11:03.254 --> 00:11:06.190
  • And she's all excited.
  • 00:11:06.190 --> 00:11:07.425
  • June 7th, 1967. it's a birthday.
  • 00:11:07.425 --> 00:11:11.095
  • Now there's another round because they're in the army.
  • 00:11:11.095 --> 00:11:13.297
  • Just the mothers.
  • 00:11:13.297 --> 00:11:14.098
  • And we, the kids had a great time,
  • 00:11:14.098 --> 00:11:15.533
  • You know, just nobody told us what to do.
  • 00:11:15.533 --> 00:11:17.468
  • It was exciting.
  • 00:11:17.468 --> 00:11:18.536
  • Then the bombshell, and then we hear something.
  • 00:11:18.536 --> 00:11:21.405
  • The radio was open.
  • 00:11:21.405 --> 00:11:22.573
  • It sounded like somebody blowing a trumpet.
  • 00:11:22.573 --> 00:11:26.844
  • And then some of the mothers tears in their eyes.
  • 00:11:26.844 --> 00:11:29.981
  • And you're concerned, you know, your dad is in the army.
  • 00:11:29.981 --> 00:11:32.150
  • All the bloody. i mean, what happened?
  • 00:11:32.150 --> 00:11:34.485
  • And then edith's mother runs in and says, edith,
  • 00:11:34.485 --> 00:11:38.122
  • I have a great birthday present for you, said what, mom?
  • 00:11:38.122 --> 00:11:41.492
  • Well, jerusalem, the just said that we liberated jerusalem.
  • 00:11:41.492 --> 00:11:44.395
  • That's your birthday present.
  • 00:11:44.395 --> 00:11:46.464
  • And it's it's just great.
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  • Mom, you promised me a barbie doll.
  • 00:11:47.431 --> 00:11:49.333
  • I don't want jerusalem as a birthday present.
  • 00:11:49.333 --> 00:11:52.436
  • So this. i was ten years old.
  • 00:11:52.436 --> 00:11:53.771
  • So that's my only recollection from the war.
  • 00:11:53.771 --> 00:11:56.474
  • So in this brilliant campaign, in six days,
  • 00:11:56.474 --> 00:11:59.310
  • We were able, i would say liberate.
  • 00:11:59.310 --> 00:12:01.379
  • All right.
  • 00:12:01.379 --> 00:12:02.480
  • Judea and samaria, the heartland of biblical israel.
  • 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.383
  • The world calls it the west bank and occupied territories,
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  • The whole of the sinai peninsula and the golan heights.
  • 00:12:08.786 --> 00:12:11.989
  • All right.
  • 00:12:12.290 --> 00:12:13.157
  • Now, i did some research. all right.
  • 00:12:13.157 --> 00:12:15.026
  • The golan heights, the west bank and, the gaza area,
  • 00:12:15.026 --> 00:12:19.864
  • The west bank was a land occupied by the jordanian.
  • 00:12:19.864 --> 00:12:23.100
  • We don't have enough time to get into it.
  • 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:25.102
  • Never, ever.
  • 00:12:25.102 --> 00:12:26.671
  • The world's media was using the term occupied
  • 00:12:26.671 --> 00:12:29.740
  • Territories when jordan occupied judea and samaria from.
  • 00:12:29.740 --> 00:12:33.511
  • 1948 till 1967.
  • 00:12:33.511 --> 00:12:35.880
  • Gaza was occupied by the egyptians.
  • 00:12:35.880 --> 00:12:38.349
  • Never, ever.
  • 00:12:38.349 --> 00:12:39.483
  • The world media would call gaza
  • 00:12:39.483 --> 00:12:41.285
  • Occupied territories before 1967,
  • 00:12:41.285 --> 00:12:44.522
  • When they started to use the term
  • 00:12:44.522 --> 00:12:46.657
  • When the jewish state has it, obviously.
  • 00:12:46.657 --> 00:12:48.759
  • But even occupation is a very, very specific term.
  • 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.063
  • Occupation is a situation in which a sovereign nation
  • 00:12:52.063 --> 00:12:55.967
  • Is conquering land from another sovereign nation.
  • 00:12:55.967 --> 00:12:58.736
  • All right.
  • 00:12:58.736 --> 00:12:59.604
  • West bank was conquered from jordan,
  • 00:12:59.604 --> 00:13:01.706
  • But it wasn't theirs to begin with.
  • 00:13:01.706 --> 00:13:03.741
  • They took it from the palestine illegally.
  • 00:13:03.741 --> 00:13:06.711
  • So whose land is it?
  • 00:13:06.711 --> 00:13:08.613
  • Well, let's call it disputed territories.
  • 00:13:08.613 --> 00:13:11.282
  • All right, so that would be the beginning of the 67.
  • 00:13:11.282 --> 00:13:14.785
  • And then we made peace with egypt.
  • 00:13:14.785 --> 00:13:16.287
  • And the formula was always land for peace.
  • 00:13:16.287 --> 00:13:18.589
  • We pulled out from sinai, gave it back to the egyptians.
  • 00:13:18.589 --> 00:13:22.059
  • In the process,
  • 00:13:22.059 --> 00:13:23.194
  • We destroyed our own communities that we built in sinai.
  • 00:13:23.194 --> 00:13:26.297
  • We evacuated lots of people from sinai for peace.
  • 00:13:26.297 --> 00:13:29.433
  • So whenever the power that we have for peace
  • 00:13:29.433 --> 00:13:32.570
  • Land is given away, because many people say,
  • 00:13:32.570 --> 00:13:35.139
  • You know, the settlements are the main obstacle.
  • 00:13:35.139 --> 00:13:38.342
  • And as long as you have communities
  • 00:13:38.342 --> 00:13:40.077
  • In the occupied territories
  • 00:13:40.077 --> 00:13:42.146
  • That will make sure that you never give them back,
  • 00:13:42.146 --> 00:13:44.582
  • That's wrong.
  • 00:13:44.582 --> 00:13:45.483
  • They're just part of fake news.
  • 00:13:45.483 --> 00:13:47.485
  • Offer us some real peace.
  • 00:13:47.485 --> 00:13:48.753
  • We know how to destroy our own communities, unfortunately.
  • 00:13:48.753 --> 00:13:51.555
  • 2005 israel decided to pullout from gaza completely.
  • 00:13:51.555 --> 00:13:56.694
  • We evacuated 8000 israelis that lived in 21 communities.
  • 00:13:56.694 --> 00:14:01.666
  • It was a heartbreaking moment,
  • 00:14:01.666 --> 00:14:03.501
  • But we gave up the land and gave it to the palestinians.
  • 00:14:03.501 --> 00:14:07.405
  • And we see what happens.
  • 00:14:07.405 --> 00:14:08.372
  • Ever since
  • 00:14:08.372 --> 00:14:09.540
  • Israel pulled out from here,
  • 00:14:09.540 --> 00:14:10.841
  • Was in the west bank, gave it to the palestinian autonomy
  • 00:14:10.841 --> 00:14:13.811
  • For peace.
  • 00:14:13.811 --> 00:14:15.179
  • We offered syria peace.
  • 00:14:15.179 --> 00:14:16.914
  • So whenever we know that the enemy means business
  • 00:14:16.914 --> 00:14:19.650
  • So we can work out the peace plan.
  • 00:14:19.650 --> 00:14:21.619
  • Israel pulls out from territories
  • 00:14:21.619 --> 00:14:24.322
  • And we did all of sinai, but out of the west bank
  • 00:14:24.322 --> 00:14:27.992
  • And the golan heights was on the table.
  • 00:14:27.992 --> 00:14:30.161
  • If syria was willing to negotiate and to offer peace,
  • 00:14:30.161 --> 00:14:33.764
  • The golan heights would be given back to syria.
  • 00:14:33.764 --> 00:14:36.334
  • Although syria today is not really a functioning nation.
  • 00:14:36.334 --> 00:14:39.170
  • Okay,
  • 00:14:39.170 --> 00:14:40.371
  • But to speak about giving up land and occupied territories.
  • 00:14:40.371 --> 00:14:43.207
  • That's absolutely nonsense.
  • 00:14:43.207 --> 00:14:44.542
  • We always give a plan when we know
  • 00:14:44.542 --> 00:14:47.011
  • That there was a chance to have peace with our neighbors.
  • 00:14:47.011 --> 00:14:57.002
  • That there was a chance to have peace with our neighbors.
  • 00:14:57.002 --> 00:15:00.192
  • I was completely unprepared for the hatred for israel
  • 00:15:01.293 --> 00:15:04.596
  • And the jewish people that came from american college campuses.
  • 00:15:04.596 --> 00:15:08.467
  • I'm grateful that's been exposed, because now
  • 00:15:09.368 --> 00:15:11.236
  • We can at least address it.
  • 00:15:11.236 --> 00:15:13.472
  • Because we won't tolerate it.
  • 00:15:13.472 --> 00:15:14.606
  • We don't have to tolerate it.
  • 00:15:14.606 --> 00:15:15.741
  • We shouldn't tolerate it.
  • 00:15:15.741 --> 00:15:18.110
  • But the line that i hear them
  • 00:15:18.110 --> 00:15:19.811
  • And when they're interviewed, they can't even explain it.
  • 00:15:19.811 --> 00:15:21.480
  • But they like to chant from the river to the sea
  • 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:24.016
  • Or free palestine.
  • 00:15:24.016 --> 00:15:26.818
  • Maybe you could explain to the people listening
  • 00:15:26.818 --> 00:15:28.320
  • What that really means, because i don't think
  • 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:29.755
  • The students, most of them, know what it means.
  • 00:15:29.755 --> 00:15:32.691
  • Well, i do have a little bit of,
  • 00:15:32.691 --> 00:15:34.760
  • I would to say hope and optimism because when you watch those
  • 00:15:34.760 --> 00:15:38.397
  • And those students
  • 00:15:38.397 --> 00:15:39.431
  • Who are willing to engage in the conversation
  • 00:15:39.431 --> 00:15:41.566
  • And they're all being told, what is it that they mean?
  • 00:15:41.566 --> 00:15:44.236
  • It looks like it's a revelation for them
  • 00:15:44.236 --> 00:15:46.972
  • And they're willing to reconsider
  • 00:15:46.972 --> 00:15:48.573
  • If they want to participate and shouting slogans again.
  • 00:15:48.573 --> 00:15:52.611
  • You know, i guess everybody goes for a rally.
  • 00:15:52.611 --> 00:15:55.280
  • Come on. it's going to be fun.
  • 00:15:55.280 --> 00:15:57.015
  • And many people that joined his rallies,
  • 00:15:57.015 --> 00:15:59.051
  • They just have a pile of banners.
  • 00:15:59.051 --> 00:16:01.153
  • You grab one, you have no idea what it is.
  • 00:16:01.153 --> 00:16:03.622
  • And you're walking down the streets
  • 00:16:03.622 --> 00:16:04.890
  • And you're screaming, chanting.
  • 00:16:04.890 --> 00:16:06.658
  • So maybe.
  • 00:16:06.658 --> 00:16:07.426
  • Maybe if you are
  • 00:16:07.426 --> 00:16:08.693
  • Able to engage in a dialog, you can change people's minds.
  • 00:16:08.693 --> 00:16:11.863
  • But for those that do that,
  • 00:16:12.464 --> 00:16:15.033
  • I think that the combination of zeal
  • 00:16:15.033 --> 00:16:17.869
  • And ignorance is a dangerous one.
  • 00:16:17.869 --> 00:16:20.639
  • You're willing to take steps and you're
  • 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:22.340
  • Willing to demonstrate, and you're willing
  • 00:16:22.340 --> 00:16:23.875
  • Maybe to pay a price for something that you know
  • 00:16:23.875 --> 00:16:26.311
  • Nothing about. this is embarrassing.
  • 00:16:26.311 --> 00:16:28.513
  • I'm embarrassed to see those bright american kids.
  • 00:16:28.513 --> 00:16:30.882
  • I'm not being sarcastic.
  • 00:16:30.882 --> 00:16:32.584
  • All right.
  • 00:16:32.584 --> 00:16:33.552
  • Expensive university.
  • 00:16:33.552 --> 00:16:34.719
  • Well, exactly. ivy league, right? yes.
  • 00:16:34.719 --> 00:16:36.922
  • Being asked questions
  • 00:16:36.922 --> 00:16:38.090
  • Which are so basic and they don't have a clue.
  • 00:16:38.090 --> 00:16:40.692
  • And when you ask a question, you can tell they smile
  • 00:16:40.692 --> 00:16:42.661
  • Or they're embarrassed because they understand that
  • 00:16:42.661 --> 00:16:44.463
  • You kind of cut them on guard, but they just don't know.
  • 00:16:44.463 --> 00:16:47.532
  • And you know what the biggest problem is
  • 00:16:48.366 --> 00:16:51.203
  • That the people behind those messages
  • 00:16:51.203 --> 00:16:54.072
  • Were willing to sell dirt as a human rights issue.
  • 00:16:54.072 --> 00:16:57.275
  • And who can be against human rights?
  • 00:16:58.043 --> 00:17:00.612
  • So you're marching, fighting for the rights of the palestinians
  • 00:17:00.612 --> 00:17:04.649
  • Because the jews are the big oppressors and the aggressors.
  • 00:17:04.649 --> 00:17:08.286
  • It's a human rights issue.
  • 00:17:08.286 --> 00:17:09.821
  • Nobody speaks about religion but speaks about jihad,
  • 00:17:09.821 --> 00:17:13.391
  • Not about globalize the intifada,
  • 00:17:13.391 --> 00:17:15.193
  • Which means basically, let's destroy everything
  • 00:17:15.193 --> 00:17:17.696
  • For islam to rule.
  • 00:17:17.696 --> 00:17:19.297
  • They're not being told that part of the story.
  • 00:17:19.297 --> 00:17:21.933
  • So you say from the river to the sea, basically.
  • 00:17:21.933 --> 00:17:24.369
  • You mean the river jordan on one side
  • 00:17:24.369 --> 00:17:26.371
  • And the mediterranean sea?
  • 00:17:26.371 --> 00:17:27.772
  • That will be
  • 00:17:27.772 --> 00:17:28.974
  • The state of israel, plus some part of the territories.
  • 00:17:28.974 --> 00:17:32.043
  • And when you say that, would you say,
  • 00:17:32.043 --> 00:17:33.478
  • Basically, let's eliminate the jews who live there.
  • 00:17:33.478 --> 00:17:37.382
  • So the same sentence, you say free palestine.
  • 00:17:37.382 --> 00:17:40.919
  • And the next part of it is by killing all the jews,
  • 00:17:40.919 --> 00:17:44.389
  • Which means you're advocating genocide without even
  • 00:17:44.389 --> 00:17:47.425
  • Knowing that that's what you're basically supporting.
  • 00:17:47.425 --> 00:17:50.829
  • So when you tell that to people, say, oh, okay,
  • 00:17:50.829 --> 00:17:53.165
  • So maybe this is
  • 00:17:53.165 --> 00:17:53.832
  • The wrong sign to carry
  • 00:17:53.832 --> 00:17:55.500
  • And they're going to look for another side.
  • 00:17:55.500 --> 00:17:57.569
  • But again, this is
  • 00:17:57.569 --> 00:17:59.237
  • You have to be an optimist.
  • 00:17:59.838 --> 00:18:01.239
  • All right. and maybe with age.
  • 00:18:01.239 --> 00:18:04.009
  • But those people that are willing to engage
  • 00:18:04.009 --> 00:18:05.710
  • In the conversation who are not really brainwashed.
  • 00:18:05.710 --> 00:18:08.280
  • And it's not something that is coming from their dna, is
  • 00:18:08.280 --> 00:18:11.750
  • You can change minds, but you need to be open enough
  • 00:18:11.750 --> 00:18:14.719
  • To have a dialog and just listen to what you're saying.
  • 00:18:14.719 --> 00:18:17.756
  • And maybe you're wrong.
  • 00:18:17.756 --> 00:18:25.005
  • And maybe you're wrong.
  • 00:18:25.005 --> 00:18:29.703
  • Well, since we sat together last.
  • 00:18:30.470 --> 00:18:33.874
  • God has done more
  • 00:18:34.308 --> 00:18:35.242
  • Than we would have dared to ask that day.
  • 00:18:35.242 --> 00:18:38.378
  • Amen to that.
  • 00:18:38.745 --> 00:18:39.613
  • So i pray we have an opportunity
  • 00:18:39.613 --> 00:18:41.648
  • To sit down 18 months from now.
  • 00:18:41.648 --> 00:18:43.317
  • Why wait 18 months and.
  • 00:18:43.317 --> 00:18:44.718
  • Celebrate even greater victories?
  • 00:18:44.718 --> 00:18:47.287
  • Yes. well, i hope that we can resolve
  • 00:18:47.287 --> 00:18:49.556
  • That issue one way or the other.
  • 00:18:49.556 --> 00:18:51.158
  • And we won't wait 18 months
  • 00:18:51.158 --> 00:18:52.693
  • Because the hostages will not survive another 18 months.
  • 00:18:52.693 --> 00:18:55.862
  • The hostages have to be released.
  • 00:18:55.862 --> 00:18:57.264
  • And this is our first
  • 00:18:57.264 --> 00:18:58.465
  • Consideration right now for consideration.
  • 00:18:58.465 --> 00:19:00.901
  • I think there was a big consensus in israel
  • 00:19:00.901 --> 00:19:03.270
  • That we can deal with hamas at any time in the future,
  • 00:19:03.270 --> 00:19:05.906
  • And hamas knows that.
  • 00:19:05.906 --> 00:19:07.241
  • So why would they release them?
  • 00:19:07.241 --> 00:19:09.109
  • That's a catch.
  • 00:19:09.109 --> 00:19:10.444
  • Hamas knows if they release the hostages.
  • 00:19:10.444 --> 00:19:13.580
  • No. there's nowhere to hide. but
  • 00:19:13.580 --> 00:19:16.216
  • Exactly.
  • 00:19:16.483 --> 00:19:19.186
  • Well, it's always good to sit down.
  • 00:19:19.186 --> 00:19:21.121
  • You bring some clarity to a very confusing part of the world.
  • 00:19:21.121 --> 00:19:23.890
  • Thank you for having me.
  • 00:19:23.890 --> 00:19:24.958
  • And it's always a pleasure to be able to, at least
  • 00:19:24.958 --> 00:19:27.828
  • To give some information, because people are thirsty
  • 00:19:27.828 --> 00:19:30.497
  • For information.
  • 00:19:30.497 --> 00:19:31.865
  • And the question is always, what can we trust?
  • 00:19:31.865 --> 00:19:34.334
  • And how do we know that they're not being just
  • 00:19:34.334 --> 00:19:36.703
  • Fed another one kind of lies and fake news.
  • 00:19:36.703 --> 00:19:39.873
  • Well,
  • 00:19:39.873 --> 00:19:40.641
  • Please tell our friends in israel
  • 00:19:40.641 --> 00:19:41.742
  • That there are many people in america
  • 00:19:41.742 --> 00:19:43.343
  • That are praying for the peace of jerusalem.
  • 00:19:43.343 --> 00:19:44.945
  • They will appreciate. it.
  • 00:19:44.945 --> 00:19:45.979
  • And we're not spreading all the lies, i promise.
  • 00:19:45.979 --> 00:19:47.881
  • Thank you so.
  • 00:19:47.881 --> 00:19:49.783
  • And i think what we have to remember is that god
  • 00:19:49.783 --> 00:19:52.286
  • Is moving in all the earth, not just in israel.
  • 00:19:52.286 --> 00:19:54.988
  • You'll keep his promises in our lives
  • 00:19:54.988 --> 00:19:56.623
  • Just as certainly as he will keep them.
  • 00:19:56.623 --> 00:19:58.492
  • To the jewish people today.
  • 00:19:58.492 --> 00:20:00.794
  • God is a covenant keeping god, and that's what secures
  • 00:20:00.794 --> 00:20:03.330
  • Our future. not politicians,
  • 00:20:03.330 --> 00:20:05.265
  • Not governments, not political parties.
  • 00:20:05.265 --> 00:20:07.668
  • And when we take our eyes off of that and god's faithfulness,
  • 00:20:07.668 --> 00:20:11.171
  • We become more vulnerable.
  • 00:20:11.171 --> 00:20:13.440
  • We will take our faith into the public square.
  • 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.476
  • And i think we will see christianity impact our culture.
  • 00:20:16.476 --> 00:20:19.913
  • God's moving in the earth.
  • 00:20:19.913 --> 00:20:21.515
  • And i'm glad to be able to be a part of it with you.
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