Captain Chuck Nash joins Allen Jackson to discuss the pressure President Donald Trump is under to join Israel's war.
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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Pressure on President Trump to Join Israel's War | Allen Jackson Now | June 19, 2025
- Well.
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- Good evening.
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- I'm alan jackson, and welcome to nashville.
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- It's been said that the job of the us
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- President is the loneliest job in the world.
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- Dwight eisenhower once said that no one who does have to bear
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- The specific
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- And direct responsibility of making the final decision
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- As to what to do, can understand the intensity of the burdens.
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- Well, general eisenhower wrote that when he was trying
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- To determine the date for the d-day invasion,
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- President trump is likely feeling
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- That same weight
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- As he considers his options about what to do with iran.
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- Israel has set the table,
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- But there's a lot of pressure on the president
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- Because, like prime minister netanyahu, he also said
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- That iran will never be allowed to have nuclear weapons.
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- Listen to his comment.
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- We've been threatened by iran for many years.
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- And if you go back and look at my history,
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- If you go back 15 years, i would say we cannot let around
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- Yet a nuclear weapon.
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- I've been saying it for a long time.
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- I mean it more now than i ever met.
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- Well, after days of shelling,
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- The biggest thing left in the iranian nuclear
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- Development program is the vast fordo plant south of tehran.
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- It's so deeply hidden in the ground
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- That it can only be taken out by the 30,000 pound
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- American bunker buster bombs.
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- With that, we've asked for an early return visit
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- Of our senior military analyst, captain chuck nash.
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- Thank you for coming back on today, captain.
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- My pleasure.
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- Before we talk about bombing iran's nuclear plant,
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- Let's talk through some of the other possibilities.
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- Beginning with an iranian population
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- Takeover, takeover of their government,
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- Maybe ousting the ayatollah and what's left of his team.
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- At that point, a new government could make peace with the west
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- And shut down the plant with no bombs being dropped.
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- Is that a realistic possibility?
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- I don't know.
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- At this point, i think what would have to happen
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- Is some of the regional,
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- The siege and, republican guard,
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- The revolutionary guard units would have to be taken out.
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- In other words, if the mullahs survive
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- But have no forces to enforce their their will on the people,
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- Then it's possible if the israelis start striking
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- The provincial, guard units and besiege units,
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- Then that would signal to the people that,
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- The mullahs are basically powerless to work against them.
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- So that's what i would keep an eye on right there.
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- Well, russia and china
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- Have been relatively quiet so far, though.
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- German german is openly supports a u.s.
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- Strike on iran.
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- Members of congress.
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- They're mixed in their support
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- Somewhat to make the world a more peaceful place.
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- And they don't trust anything that the ayatollah says.
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- And there's others still afraid the u.s.
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- Will get mired in another war
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- In the streets of tehran, or almost empty.
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- What do you think's the most likely option?
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- I think the most likely option is for
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- If the iranian mullahs do not surrender,
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- As trump has demanded, then i believe that he's going
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- To use, the b twos and the bunker busters.
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- We will take down the fordo, fuel enrichment plant,
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- As well as some other targets inside of iran.
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- The navy carrier strike groups that are there,
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- Carry not only the f-18s, but they also carry
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- The f-18, g, the growler, which are the jamming platforms.
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- So any air defense systems that the israelis have not taken
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- Out will be jammed so that the b-2 can go in.
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- They're stealthy,
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- But they like to have the electronic warfare coverage.
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- So the electronic attack.
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- Marid.
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- With the bunker busters will eliminate, that fordo plant.
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- And when that happens, the mullahs truly are powerless.
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- They've got nothing there. hezbollah,
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- And hamas surrogates have been destroyed.
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- Their nuclear capability has been destroyed,
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- And a lot of their conventional forces have been destroyed.
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- So they're just lying naked in the gutter.
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- And so at that point,
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- They have to realize that surrender
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- Would have been their best option.
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- The best time for them to surrender is not then.
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- It's now before all that happens.
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- Both sides.
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- Pastor, both of these sides are in a death match
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- Because they both face existential threat.
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- Israel.
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- Its existential threat is a nuclear iran.
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- They cannot accept that to continue iran's
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- Existential threat is losing their nuclear threat.
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- And possibly a decapitation strike
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- On the mullahs as the decapitation strikes
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- And hamas and hezbollah have played out.
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- Well, here's another factor that may be contributing
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- To the ayatollahs stubborn behavior.
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- It's been reported that the remaining senior staff
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- That's advising him
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- May be feeding him
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- Inaccurate information about how iran is doing,
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- Trying to keep him happy by telling him
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- That his military is doing better than it really is.
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- Is that really a factor?
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- It could be.
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- There are also
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- Rumors that he has turned over a conduct of the war
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- To the head of the islamic revolutionary guard corps.
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- So at this point, it's very difficult to figure out
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- Who is really running the show.
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- But as far as the people of iran are being told,
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- I'm sure they're being told that it is, khamenei, the,
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- Their supreme leader,
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- They cannot let that go,
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- Because if they do, then it's back to your original question.
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- Is it possible that there could be a civil uprising?
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- There are two major factors in that.
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- One is what we'll call the royal factor,
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- Which is the son of the shah.
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- Possibly,
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- Reza pahlavi
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- And the national council of resistance in iran.
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- The ncri,
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- Which the main faction there is the mujahedeen account.
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- So one would be a return to a royal,
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- Set up.
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- The other would be kind of a grassroots,
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- Organization.
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- And either way, it's the people of iran
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- Who will need to figure out what kind of government
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- They want going forward and not have imposed on them
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- By any outside forces.
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- Well, it seems to me there's another piece of this puzzle,
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- And it's the potential for the ayatollah
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- To trigger renegade iranians here
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- Who snuck in when our border was open.
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- These past four years.
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- The gateways
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- Who could be roaming the us
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- Right now waiting for a cue to attack from tehran.
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- No, they don't have nuclear weapons.
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- But with a drone from an electronics store
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- And a homemade bomb,
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- They could damage anywhere in the country.
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- Is there any way we can be prepa
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- We have so much of our infrastructure
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- Totally defenseless.
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- And the reason is, is in an economic society such as ours,
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- You want everything
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- To be open and available so that people will use it.
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- They'll buy your product, they'll use your service.
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- So everything is essentially out there,
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- Taking down power substations
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- And causing blackouts in the grid.
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- Very, very easy to do.
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- Plus.
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- The other thing is just pure terror.
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- I mean, what could a group,
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- As you point out, to like a million
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- And a half, 2 million got ways.
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- How many of them?
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- Would be able to get weapons
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- And do terror attacks, like,
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- Happened in the opera house in russia,
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- Where a bunch of terrorists went in
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- And just started slaughtering people. you could do that.
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- I mean,
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- Think of all the soft targets in this country.
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- Good.
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- Starting at grammar schools, churches and synagogues.
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- Oh, yeah, it could be.
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- It could be really bloody.
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- Well, captain ash, please stay with us for another segment.
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- We're back now with captain chuck nash,
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- And we're discussing the various options
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- That the
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- President has to shut down iran's nuclear weapons program.
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- We keep hearing about u.s.
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- Military assets,
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- Some of which are still on the way to the war zone.
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- Is this part of what the president's
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- Waiting for before he makes a final decision
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- About what to do in concert with israel?
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- I believe so.
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- Over the last several days,
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- Military assets have been flowing into,
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- And being pre-positioned in the region.
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- We've got two carrier strike groups,
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- As well as a bunch of, tankers.
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- U.s. air force tankers have moved into europe.
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- That's important,
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- Because if the beatles were to come across and be used,
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- They would have to tank multiple times, from whiteman air
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- Force base to get to the target, in inside of, iran.
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- So all of the support assets are being positioned,
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- And that should tell the mullahs one last time.
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- He's not bluffing.
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- He is not bluffing.
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- Look at the reality.
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- Not only what you've lost so far,
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- But the potential for devastation going forward.
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- He said he's going to make that decision in the next two weeks.
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- I believe he's already made the decision.
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- It's when to execute it and he's giving peace one last chance.
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- Well, i want to ask about something
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- That i haven't really heard any reporting on,
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- Despite all the focus on the nuclear stations already hit,
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- As well as the big one at fordo
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- That would need the big bunker buster bombs to shake it up.
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- Is it possible that iran has another nuclear facility
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- That neither the israeli nor the us intelligence is aware of?
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- Yeah, that falls into the category, pastor.
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- If you don't know what you don't know. and,
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- There could be, but,
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- The the issue here is,
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- You need a facility
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- With thousands of centrifuges,
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- And that's where fordo comes into play.
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- We watched it being built, via satellite.
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- Israelis claim to have blueprints of the facility.
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- So, something that large is
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- What is needed to to really get you to where you need to go.
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- You don't want to build just one nuke.
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- They want to have multiples.
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- And what are they going to do with them?
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- I don't know, maybe ballistic missiles into israel?
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- A a, you know, a nation state
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- That's the size of new jersey
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- And of the 15 million core jews on the planet.
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- 7 million of them live
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- In that small state.
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- So several nuclear weapons into their would be
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- Turned that into the largest jewish concentration camp
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- In history and would make what hitler did pale in comparison.
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- The other 6 million jews live in the united states.
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- And then 2 million scattered
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- Throughout europe and south america.
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- So it would be absolutely devastating, which is why,
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- Prime minister netanyahu, he's not playing either.
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- This has got to come to an end.
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- Either the iranians are going to give it up,
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- Or it will be taken from them.
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- Either way, it's going to happen.
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- Well, iran hit a hospital in israel today.
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- They've committed other war crimes.
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- Israel's ambassador to the united nations has spoken
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- About the moral line between israel and iran.
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- Listen to his remarks.
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- Iran's goal is to kill as many civilians as possible.
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- They are not hiding it.
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- They are boasting about it.
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- That is the moral line between us.
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- Iran aims its resources at children
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- While we target the regime's terrible machine.
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- You know, that may mean something in the west,
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- But does the ayatollah care about it?
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- Now, there's no moral equivalency here.
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- And when you see these demonstrations
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- In the united states against u.s.
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- Actions supporting israel, it's the same group of people
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- Who were demonstrating in support of hamas.
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- You know what?
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- If whatever it takes to hurt israel,
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- That's what they're doing.
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- So the american left is actually tying in
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- With people who intentionally
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- Use big weapons against defenseless civilians.
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- They're tied into that.
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- So maybe a little self-reflection would do them
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- Some good.
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- Well, what else should we look for in the days ahead?
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- And should we assume that when or if the us attack happens?
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- We'll only know it after it's been conducted?
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- I think so.
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- I think operational security on this
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- Is going to be very, very tight. but,
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- I'm sure the media has whiteman air force base staked out,
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- And we'll be looking for the launch
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- Of 6 to 12 betas.
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- And if that happens, then it's just a matter of doing the math
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- And figuring out how long it's going to take them to get there.
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- But we're not going to launch 6 to 12 betas
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- Just so they can fly around.
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- They're going to be going somewhere.
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- And i think we all know where that somewhere is.
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- Well,
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- Captain ash, thank you again for your time today.
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- Your experience.
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- It is very helpful to us.
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- My pleasure.
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- In a moment, i'll have some hopeful thoughts of my own.
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- We'll be right back.
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- We'll be right back.
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- Israel has been at war for over 600 days
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- After hamas brutally massacred innocent israeli civilians.
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- There's a new chapter in that conflict.
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- The confrontation with iran has become more direct.
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- Israeli planes have been over iran targeting nuclear
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- Facilities, rocket launchers, weapons factories
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- And the islamic republic's military wing.
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- Iran, on the other hand, is shooting
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- Ballistic missiles into civilian areas in israel,
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- Targeting hospitals and apartments.
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- The iranian ayatollah said that the u.s.
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- Would suffer
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- Irreparable damage if it joined the israeli strikes on iran.
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- The comments came as president trump left open the possibility
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- Of participating in the military operation
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- Against iran's nuclear facilities.
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- Now, so much of the discussion i've heard in the public
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- Square has questioned
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- The appropriateness of what israel is doing.
- 00:15:52.445 --> 00:15:55.548
- More to the point,
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- There's been a repeated desire expressed,
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- That the united states should not be a part of this conflict.
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- Well, the same voices that were cheering us to go into
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- Ukraine flying ukrainian flags and wearing ukrainian pins.
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- Those same voices are now
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- Decrying our involvement
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- With what's going on between israel and iran.
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- I've heard confusion, equivocation,
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- And a lot of opinions i simply don't agree with.
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- Iran has spent decades pursuing nuclear weapons.
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- They've said that once they secure them,
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- They would eliminate israel and attack the united states.
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- Although i've learned anything from my engagement
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- In the middle east,
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- It's this
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- That when your adversary
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- Tells you what they intend to do, believe them.
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- It's not a place where idle threats tend to carry the day.
- 00:16:35.888 --> 00:16:38.958
- I think u.s.
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- Involvement makes perfect sense to deny it or ignore it.
- 00:16:40.460 --> 00:16:43.262
- That puts all of us in a very precarious position.
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- You know, to me, this isn't fundamentally a political issue.
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- Our response to israel doesn't begin
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- With geopolitical strategy or military capacity.
- 00:16:51.437 --> 00:16:54.774
- Israel and the jewish people are just another country
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- Or another ethnic group.
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- They hold a unique place in god's economy,
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- And we as christians need a biblical understanding
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- Of who the jewish people are and the role god intends for them.
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- You know, i know some might say,
- 00:17:08.254 --> 00:17:09.455
- Don't bring the bible into this, but it's about the bible.
- 00:17:09.455 --> 00:17:12.091
- If we don't believe the word of god should be
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- Engaged in current culture, then our bibles are useless.
- 00:17:13.726 --> 00:17:17.563
- We're in the midst of a spiritual conflict
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- That's being waged throughout the earth.
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- God is shaking the earth
- 00:17:21.868 --> 00:17:23.302
- So we can see what's trustworthy and what is not.
- 00:17:23.302 --> 00:17:26.405
- And the only thing that will remain is god's word.
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- We've got to pay attention to it. we'll do that.
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- There's more reasons for hope than despair.
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- I promise in a moment i'll be back with your emails.
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- I promise in a moment i'll be back with your emails.
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- Thank you for spending a few minutes with us
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- This evening.
- 00:17:51.697 --> 00:17:52.598
- If you ever missed the live broadcast,
- 00:17:52.598 --> 00:17:54.066
- You can always go to aj now. dot com.
- 00:17:54.066 --> 00:17:56.202
- They're archived there
- 00:17:56.202 --> 00:17:57.503
- Along with a lot of other information about our program.
- 00:17:57.503 --> 00:17:59.639
- I think it'll be a help.
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- Thank you for your emails, glenna emailed.
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- Heaven has strict immigration laws.
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- Hell has open borders.
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- In second chronicles 713, god shows his people what he will do
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- If his people return to him and pray.
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- We are losing our nation if we don't.
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- Glenna, you have out preached the preacher good work.
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- Mel from south carolina said, thank you for inviting
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- Ron dermer on the show.
- 00:18:24.797 --> 00:18:25.998
- He is accurate and he shares facts.
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- I hope this program gets to many american homes
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- So they learn what is really behind the war
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- And learn to value our american heritage.
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- God bless israel and the israeli people.
- 00:18:35.374 --> 00:18:38.411
- Well, i was moved by what mr.
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- Dermer had to say encouraging americans to love our nation.
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- Honestly, i would expect that message
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- To come from our leaders, from our universities,
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- From our classrooms.
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- In its absence, i'm glad god is raising up
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- Voices around the earth to remind us
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- That what he has done
- 00:18:55.161 --> 00:18:56.395
- In the united states of america is about the blessing of god
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- More than it is our ingenuity.
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- And finally, jerry from missouri.
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- So thank you, pastor allen,
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- For your spiritual insight into turbulent times.
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- Many pastors are staying away from the social issues.
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- I believe jesus clearly said to occupy until he returns.
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- Well, jerry, i believe that first and foremost,
- 00:19:15.514 --> 00:19:17.483
- Our source of truth, objective truth, is the word of god.
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- But then the assignment is what to do with that truth
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- In the midst of the world in which we live.
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- We can't hide in our churches and do bible studies
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- About what happened in the first century.
- 00:19:29.095 --> 00:19:31.030
- God called us to the 21st century.
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- He's given us access to the word of god.
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- Now we need the courage
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- To take that forward, and the wisdom
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- To listen to the direction of the holy spirit.
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- If we'll do that,
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- I believe there's a future that's bright
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- For our children and grandchildren
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- If we forfeit that.
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- I'm very concerned.
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- Thank you
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- For spending a few minutes with us this evening.
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- Your e-mails are always a highlight.
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- I'm alan jackson, and i pray you have a wonderful evening.
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